Around 586 BC, King Nebuchadnezzar of Babylon (what is now Iraq) attacked and destroyed the Jewish temple in Jerusalem. Many Jews were killed. Some Jews were captured and taken to Babylon. King Nebuchadnezzar then died and his heirs took over.
In about 539 BC, Cyrus, the King of Persia (Iran) attacked and captured Babylon. Cyrus released the captive Jews and escorted them back to Jerusalem. For two centuries (200 years) the Jews remained under Persian protection in Jerusalem. During this time, Jews were exposed to Zoroastrianism which taught about Angels, Demons, Satan, the afterlife, Heaven and Hell.
These were NOT the beliefs of the Jewish religion. Traditional Jews continued to believe that God did it all, there was no Satan, no afterlife and death was “dust to dust”.
King Darius I, (reigned 522–486 BC) was the third Persian emperor. He returned the captured Jews from Babylon and helped rebuild the Jewish Temple in Jerusalem. Reconstruction of a second temple was completed during the time of Artaxerxes II in about 400 BC.
Some Zoroastrianism influenced Jews secretly wrote about Angels, Demons, Satan, afterlife, Heaven, and Hell’s Eternal-Torment. When the Jews came into contact with the Zoroastrianism preaching Persians, the notions of Heaven, Hell, rewards and punishments were seeded. Later, through Jesus Christ, those notions grew into Christianity. Jesus Christ introduced Angels, Demons, Satan, the afterlife, Heaven and Hell. So, did Jesus Christ plagiarize Zoroastrianism to create Christianity? Jesus preached Zoroastrian beliefs. Christianity came to believe Christ’s teachings.
Zoroastrianism did not seek nor allow “conversion” of outsiders to their religion. Zoroastrianism is a small religion today mostly consisting of blood heritage. They resist conversion to their Religion.
Zoroastrianism believed in liberty and freedom of choice. They promoted immortality of the soul, life after death. They believed deeds will be judged and that there are eternal dwelling for two groups in Heaven and in Hell. Zoroastrianism believed in the end of the world that the dead would revive with a fresh life and a new beginning. They claimed that the future will be transformed by “The Savior” who will perform the task of “resurrection”.
Traditional Jews did NOT believe in an afterlife, in judgment after death, in a reward of Heaven or in any retribution of Hell.
Judaism’s “One God of Abraham” did NOT have universal appeal nor a respected status at that time.
Traditional Jewish Rabbis did NOT believe in Satan or Angels or Demons. During Jesus’ time, it was the Jewish Pharisees who believed in and promoted life after death, Heaven and Hell. The Pharisees and the Essene’s were two of the groups who were influenced by Zoroastrianism. They became enemies of the Jewish Rabbis. Jesus also became an enemy of Jewish Rabbis. They arranged Jesus Christ’s crucifixion.
Throughout the Old Testament, the “One God of Abraham” consistently threatened His believers. The Biblical God’s threat was: IF YOU DO NOT OBEY ME, I WILL KILL YOU. Jesus Christ added that if you do NOT obey God AND Me, on Judgment Day, you will be judged to go to Heaven with God or you will go to Hell’s Eternal-Torment. Jesus threatened: You can only be saved through Me.
Any Old Testament stories about Satan or Demons were influenced by Persian Zoroastrians during the Jews protection and the the Persian’s assistance of building the new Jewish Temple.
Zoroastrianism influenced some late Old Testament Bible texts. Jesus Christ plagiarized and sold the beliefs of Zoroastrianism as His own. These beliefs and teaching became “Christianity”.
Zoroastrianism embraced the concept of “The Chosen Government” based on good and evil. From this, Jewish Prophets dreamed up “The Kingdom of God”. Jesus also plagiarized and capitalized on “The Kingdom of God”. Christian clergy then determined that “The Kingdom of God” is to be Jesus Christ’s Kingdom.
The members of Emperor Constantine’s “Counsel of Nicaea” (325 – 394 AD) voted on the books of the Bible. And, the members also voted for Jesus Christ to be Divine. It was THEN that Jesus Christ became God!
The Apostle Paul preached Jesus` teaching about God, Satan, Angels, Demons, Heaven and Hell. These fear-based teachings filled the churches that Paul built – due to the believer’s hypnotically programmed fear of Hell’s Eternal-Torment.
Jesus is documented to say: “I came ONLY for the Jews”.
Paul opened Christianity up to the Gentiles and to the rest of the world.
The Catholic Religion follows the Apostle Paul’s teachings considerably more than Jesus Christ’s teachings. Paul’s written teachings disagree with many of Jesus’ verbal teachings. By the way, Jesus Christ WROTE absolutely nothing.
This is from James, a slave of God and Jesus Christ: James 2:10 For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all.
So, if you are guilty of breaking just 1 of the Biblical God’s 1,003 commandments (Old and New Testaments), you are equally guilty of breaking them all.
Conclusion:
Zoroastrianism started in what is known today as Persian Iran. The Jewish (One God of Abraham) religion had no afterlife, no Satan, no Heaven or Hell. Zoroastrianism had all that plus. In 586 BC, King Nebuchadnezzar of Babylon (today’s Iraq) attacked the Jew’s temple in Jerusalem – killed Jews, destroyed their temple, and took captives back to Babylon. After King Nebuchadnezzar died, Iran attacked and defeated Babylon. They then escorted the Jewish captives back to Jerusalem. Over the next 2 centuries (200 years) the Zoroastrian Persians helped the Jews rebuild their Jewish temple. Hardcore Jews never bought into Zoroastrianism, but some other Jews did. Then, a new Prophet preached afterlife, Heaven & Hell, et al. He was known as Jesus Christ. Christ preached Zoroastrian beliefs and a new religion was started – mostly by the Apostle Paul and the Roman Emperor Constantine. Zoroastrianism, by design, was forgotten. Paul used the fear of Hell and salvation to fill the churches he built. It continues today. What insanity!
Cyrus the Great & Darius the Great.
King Cyrus, who was not religious, let conquered people maintain their religions. It was Darius who helped finish building the original Jewish temple. Darius was a believer in Mazda, the Zoroastrian God, The Zoroastrianism religion influenced secs of Jews and inspired Jesus Christ, whose teachings created Christianity.
Zoroastrians believed “The Savior” will appear at the End of Time.
Traditional Zoroastrians continue to oppose outsider conversion to their ancient faith. They mostly attempt to keep it within their bloodline. The social argument against conversion relies on the idea that Zoroastrianism is a strictly ethnic religion. In the traditionalists’ historical view, Zarathustra was not an innovator, but a reformer who practiced the priestly traditions of his ancient Indo-Iranian people. Zoroastrianism, then, does not break traditions, but continues them – reformed from polytheism to monotheism by the divinely inspired prophet, Zoroaster. For a conservative Zoroastrian, especially those with a more extreme outlook, only those who are Indo-Iranian Zoroastrian, with an unbroken blood lineage unmixed with any non-Zoroastrian heritage, can be true Zoroastrians.
A non-Zoroastrian married to a Zoroastrian will always be at a loss to understand things his / her spouse takes for granted. And the non-Zoroastrian spouse will bring elements from his / her own culture that are alien to the Zoroastrian culture. It is better never to marry outside the culture, as conflict will always follow. The Zoroastrian religion is worshipped as a precious heirloom, which will only be misunderstood and adulterated by outsiders. Intermarriage is seen as a threat – which will result in the dilution or even the extinction of the precious culture.
The third set of reasons that Zoroastrian traditionalists give for their opposition to conversion is both emotional and psychological. Zoroastrianism, ever since the Muslim conquest of Iran, has been a minority religion. Zoroastrianism has been persecuted in Iran for centuries.
There seems to be a series of good arguments for banning conversion to Zoroastrianism. The trouble is that the number of “true” Zoroastrians continues to decrease. There are many reasons for this: a low birth rate, economic problems, the difficulty of finding qualified mates and raising families with a high standard of living, emigration, intermarriage, and simple apathy or ignorance of the faith.
The resistance to any religious change has alienated many Zoroastrians, who question ancient laws and practices that they say were appropriate for the agrarian society of the past but have no relevance in a modern, technological world. If Zoroastrianism does not accept converts, say these questioners, it risks going the way of near-extinct sects such as the Shakers, whose inflexible practices (in the case of the Shakers, maintenance of celibacy and thus non- procreation) made it impossible to continue as a group.
It must be added that most of the anti-conversion sentiment in the Zoroastrian world comes from the Indian Parsis. Iranian Zoroastrians are much more likely to accept converts, marriages to non-Zoroastrians (who are then welcomed into the community) and people of mixed ancestry. The problems with conversion in Iran are mainly political: converting someone away from Islam is an offense against the Islamic Republic and may be seriously penalized. Therefore, conversions in Iran are done very quietly.
Eve – Sarah – Rebekah – Leah – Tamar – “Rahab-the-Harlot” – Ruth – Bathsheba and “The Virgin Mary” were the names of the women who the “Holy Bible” documented to be in the lineage / bloodline of Jesus Christ. The “Sacred Bible” describes these women to be liars, tricksters, hookers, adulterers, and participants of incest, pre-marital sex and supernatural nonsense.
Two women, Rahab-the-Harlot and Ruth – who genetically contributed to King David and Jesus Christ – were definitely out of God’s “sacred” Israelite lineage / bloodline. Rahab-the-Harlot was King David’s great, great grandmother. Ruth was King David’s great grandmother. This applies if King David is in Jesus Christ’s bloodline / lineage.
Let’s take this opportunity to visit some named women in Jesus Christ’s “sacred” bloodline / lineage.
Any legitimate corrections to these “truths” will be appreciated.
Eve
Adam’s wife was Eve.
According to Pastor Arnold Murray, Eve, who God made from Adam’s rib, had sex with both Satan and Adam.
Murray claims that Eve conceived Satan’s son Cain and Adam’s son Abel.
See Pastor Arnold Murray’s eye-opening account of this unpopular fiction:
Genesis 20:12 Sarah (Sari) was Abraham’s (Abram’s) wife and half-sister. They had the same father and different mothers.
Such unions were forbidden in Leviticus 18:9
Twice, Abraham sold / pimped his wife, Sarah, to two different Kings and as the result the couple received great wealth.
Because God had made Sarah barren, Sarah suggested and then gave to Abraham (her half-brother / husband), Hagar, her Egyptian handmaid, for sex and children. Jealous Sarah then cruelly had Hagar “female circumcised” so that Hagar could not enjoy sex with Abraham.
Some Islamic circles ritually tell the “female circumcision” story of Hagar. This female mutilation ritual goes on in Islam today.
Sarah gave birth to her only son, Isaac, at age 90 – long after her documented menopause. Abraham was 100 years old.
Genesis 23:1 Sarah died at 127 years of age.
Genesis 25:1-7 Later, after Sarah died, old Abraham married and impregnated Keturah with 6 sons. Abraham also knocked up some concubines with numerous kids. Abraham died at 175 years of age.
Leah, Jacob’s first wife and his first cousin, had Judah. Jacob was tricked into marrying Leah. Leah was not Jacob’s favorite. Rachel, Leah’s sister was. Jacob also married cousin Rachel and 2 others – who produced the incest-laden 12 tribes of Israel.
Leah Biblically introduced the use of “Mandrakes” – the Biblical version of Viagra. This is evidence that Biblical women in Jesus Christ’s lineage were horny. Leah traded Mandrakes with Rachel in Gen 30:14 so that she could have a night of sex with Jacob.
Tamra
Genesis 38:11-30 Tamar was Judah’s one-time hooker and his unbeknown daughter-in-law. Tamar sold Judah sex one time. Judah knocked-up Tamar with twins. Judah was going to kill Tamar for her “sin” until Tamar proved, by producing Judah’s items of payment, that Judah was the father. Judah then let Tamar live. Judah never married Tamar. Did that make Judah a “dead-beat dad”? Tamar had “illegitimate” twins. One twin, named Perez was in Jesus Christ’s “sacred” bloodline / lineage.
Dictionary: A “harlot” is a prostitute – a woman who sells sex.
These are words associated with “harlot” in formal and non-formal usage:
Prostitute – Whore – Pro – Slut – Hooker – Fallen Woman – Working Girl – Lady of The Evening – Tramp – Lady of Pleasure – Streetwalker – Call Girl – Tart – Sex Worker…
Would that make her a gentile / pagan – outside of the Biblical God’s sacred Jewish bloodline? God killed thousands of His “chosen” Israelites for marrying outside of their “sacred” bloodline. Rahab, a non-Israelite, was a definite exception and she was specifically included in Jesus Christ‘s sacred bloodline. If the Bible (God’s word) is true, then, King David and Jesus Christ had a “Harlot” in their bloodline.
Judeo-Christian dogma claims that God does not change. Is this documentation that proves God doeschange? Rahab was also a traitor to her own people – the people of Jericho. With Rahab’s traitorous help, the people of Jericho were all killed by God’s “chosen” Israelites – every man, woman and child – except for Rahab and her family.
An Israelite priest, Salmon, then married Rahab-the-Harlot. Salmon and Rahab-the-Harlot had their son Boaz.
Ruth
Ruth, the Moabite, married Boaz.
Ruth was also not of God’s “sacred” Israelite bloodline.
Ruth 2:2 Ruth seduced and had sex with Boaz before marriage.
Ruth and Boaz had Obed – who was the father of Jesse – who was the father of King David.
Two women, Rahab-the-Harlot and Ruth – who genetically contributed to King David and Jesus Christ – were definitely out of God’s “sacred” Israelite bloodline.
Rahab-the-Harlot was King David’s great, great grandmother.
Ruth was King David’s great grandmother. This applies if King David is in Jesus Christ’s bloodline / lineage.
Obed’s wife (no name) was King David’s grandmother.
Jesse’s wife (no name) was King David’ mother.
Tamar, who sold sex to Judah, Rahab-the-Harlot and Ruth the Moabite, were in Jesus Christ’s “sacred” genetic Israelite bloodline. Jesus’ “sacred” genetic bloodline was compromised, before King David.
Of course, if King David’s lineage and genetic bloodline went through Joseph – as documented – and Joseph was not Jesus’ genetic father – none of this matters. Naturally, apologists would then weaken integrity by insisting that one or both lineages illustrated in Matthew and Luke are The Virgin Mary’s.
Either way, the Jews do not acknowledge Jesus Christ as their savior / messiah. All the men listed may have been Israelites, but, as we have documented – definitely not all of their wives were Israelites. The “sacred” Israelite bloodline was documented C&V to be compromised.
Bathshebe
Bathsheba married King David – along with David’s many other wives.
Bathsheba first committed adultery with David.
2 Samuel 11:5-27 David knocked-up Bathsheba. After their son was 7-days-old, God killed the baby due to the sins of the parents.
1 Kings 1:1-1 & 2:19 Bathsheba later had her son, Solomon, with King David.
King David either raped an unwilling Bathsheba or he seduced a willing, adulteress Bathsheba.
1 Chronicles 3:5 & 29:28 Then, David arranged to have Bathsheba’s husband, Uriah, killed while in battle. Uriah served in King David’s army.
As a retired reserve US Army officer, I view that this proves – David was definitely evil. However:
I Samuel 25:28 David fights the battles of God and Evil has not been found in him in all his days.
Maybe “Evil” is “The Biblical God’s pleasure”. Think about it. How bored would God get without evil to entertain Him? Maybe it takes evil for God to feel that He is alive. If evil is God’s “drug of choice”, it’s not going away.
Bathsheba did not complain, C&V, about King David having her husband, Uriah, murdered.
Jesus Christ’s lineage certainly has some disgusting people in it.
Matthew 1:18 “The Virgin Mary”, who some claim to be about 13-years-old (nobody knows) supernaturally got impregnated by “The Holy Ghost”.
Believers in the “Trinity” must have Jesus (also as the Holy Spirit) impregnating His own mother, “The Virgin Mary”, to produce Himself.
Some unrealistic, faith-insane Catholics claim that “The Virgin Mary” maintained her “virginity” throughout her lifetime. This is impossible for if Jesus Christ was born of natural childbirth through Mary’s vaginal cannel, Mary’s “virginity” was definitely gone.
For the realist, that ends that scientific debate.
Furthermore, consider this: If Mary did maintain her virginity, she was just living with Joseph and they were never legally married. Under Hebrew law – marriage had to be consummated by sex.
Some Catholics claim that Jesus’ brothers and sisters were Joseph’s kids from another marriage. Do you have Biblical documentation that Joseph had kids by a previous marriage? I do not. Is there any documentation that Jesus’ brothers and sisters were younger or older than Jesus?
By the way, what ever happened to Joseph and Mary? Do you know anyone who claims to know their fate by documented evidence?
Alexander-The-Great was a man in history who lived over 300 years before Jesus Christ was born. History documented who Alexander’s father and mother were – by name – by where they came from and by how each of their lives ended.
Jesus Christ was not a historical character. Outside the miracle-laden Bible, no history-bearing country documented any history of Jesus Christ. What happened to Jesus Christ’s parents, Joseph and Mary, apparently was not important enough for the original writers to be concerned with. Did all four of Jesus’ Jewish grandparents ignore Baby Jesus? Even cousins Elizabeth and her son, John the Baptist, never visited Jesus. Only if Jesus, Mary and Joseph were fictional characters could this be rationally thinkable.
“Immaculate Conception” – From Webster’s International and Oxford American Dictionaries:
The “Immaculate Conception” is a doctrine of the Roman Catholic Church in that the Virgin Mary, from the moment of her conception by her mother, was and remained free of original sin. This was proclaimed as dogma by Pope Pious IX in 1854. It is often confused with Mary giving “virgin birth” to Jesus Christ.
“Immaculate Conception” – From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia:
The Immaculate Conception is, according to Roman Catholic Dogma: Mary lived a life completely free from sin. Her immaculate conception in the womb of her mother, through sexual intercourse, should not be confused with the doctrine of the virginal conception of her son Jesus, known as the Virgin Birth.
The Virgin Mary’s cousin, Elizabeth, who was John-The-Baptist’s mother, was Biblically documented by name. But, where is The Virgin Mary’s mother’s name documented? Mary’s mother is also not documented to have had anything to do with her “precious” grandson, Jesus Christ. How strange!
Hummm. Was Mary’s mother embarrassed or ashamed of Mary? Did she not believe that Jesus was the Son of God? Was she a dead-beat grandma?
Does anyone have any more names of women in Jesus Christ’s lineage?
The Trinity
According to “The Trinity” – Was Jesus Christ The Holy Ghost?
Did Jesus Christ “knock-up” His own mother to produce Himself?
“The Trinity” dogma claims that Jesus Christ is God and that Jesus Christ is also “The Holy Spirit”. If that is correct, then Jesus Christ impregnated His Own mother to produce Himself. How can a believer be upset with that if he or she claims to believe in the Trinity?
When a woman gets pregnant – especially out of wed-lock – a common term is that she is “knocked-up”. Have you ever heard that term concerning that situation?
“The Holy Spirit” is documented to have impregnated “The Virgin Mary”. Right?
If you believe in “The Trinity”, Jesus Christ also is “The Holy Spirit”. Right?
Ergo, Jesus Christ “knocked-up” His own mother to produce Himself. How “logically” could it be any different?
Even if you are philosophically opposed and emotionally resistant, what is your “intellectual understanding” concerning this honest, straightforward and irrefutable logic?
Personally, I believe none of it. GWD
Abstinence”
Concerning “The Virgin Mary”, who else, in Bible myth, could possibly stand before a class of young girls and honestly claim: “abstinence doth not worketh”?
What happens when YOU take the time to scientifically question, ponder, evaluate and think about this?
Na, I don’t believe it either. GWD
“The Trinity”: If Jesus Christ Was The Holy Ghost – Who Knocked-up The Virgin Mary?
What one person, who you know, would be impacted if sent to this site?
Genesis 2:18-24 If you are like Adam, simply have God create a wife for you from one of your ribs while you sleep.
Genesis 4:16-17 If you are like Cain, even if no one is out there, just wander around a bit and you’ll find a wife.
Do you think that Cain found it to be all “relative”?
Genesis 20:12 If you are like Abraham, you will marry your half-sister.
Abraham & Sarah
The Bible documents that for Abraham, the father of the Judeo-Christian-Islamic religions – “incest is best”!
Genesis 29:15-30 If you are like Jacob, agree to work seven years in exchange for a woman’s hand in marriage. Get tricked into marrying the wrong woman. Then work another seven years for the woman you wanted to marry in the first place. That’s right. Fourteen years of toil for the wife you want.
Exodus 2:16-21 If you are like Moses, find a man with seven daughters and impress him by watering his flock. Then marry Zipporah, his daughter.
Exodus 6:20 Amram took Jochebed, his father’s sister, to wife. She had Aaron and Moses. Females didn’t count but she also had Miriam.
Did you know that Moses was a product of INCEST? For many of God’s Biblical heroes: “incest is best”!
Exodus 20:12 If you are like Amram (Abraham), marry your father’s daughter by another mother.
Leviticus 18:9 You shall not have sex with your sister, your father’s daughter.
Deuteronomy 21:11-13 If you find an attractive prisoner of war, bring her home, shave her head, trim her nails and give her new clothes. Then she’s yours.
Deuteronomy 24:1-2 If you are a man who takes a wife, marries her, and then you don’t want her, write her a bill of divorce… She may go and be another man’s wife.
Who would dare say that the Biblical O.T. God’s divorce law is unfair and tough on women?
Jeremiah 3:8 God (Himself) is a divorcee as God is documented to have given a bill of divorce to Israel.
What? Whoa! This is shocking! Isn’t it? Why does the Catholic Church condemn divorce if their own “Bible God Model” is also documented to be divorced? One who gives a bill of divorce becomes a divorcee.
Luke 16:18 Jesus said: Whoever put away his wife and marries another commits adultery. Whoever marries the divorced woman commits adultery.
Who Commits Adultery? 50% Divorce Rate?
So – now, you find yourself with a BIG, HUGE problem. Who do you obey? God in Deuteronomy 21:11-13 or Jesus in Luke 16:18?
Question: If the divorced woman stays single and has sex with single men – what then? Party-time!
1 Cor 7-10 Paul said: Let NO woman divorce her husband.
Doesn’t Paul side with Jesus in Luke 16:18 and go against God in Deuteronomy 24:1-2?
Ephesians 5:22-24 Paul preached: Wives, submit yourselves to your husbands, as to the Lord. For the husband is the head of the wife, as Christ is the head of the church. As the church is subject to Christ, so let the wives be to their own husbands in everything.
Romans 7:2-3 Paul also said: A woman is bound to her husband for as long as he lives.
Marriage Is Accountable Time Freedom Is Unaccountable Time
So, could this be a reason that some religious women kill their husbands?
Matthew 19:6 & Mark 10:9 Jesus demands that you prohibit any form of divorce.
Careful Jesus! Breaking unchangeable God’s Old Testament laws could get you tortured and crucified. A vengeful God may even arrange for Paul to lose his head in Rome.
Judges 21:19-25 If you are a Benjamite, go to a party and hide. When women come out to dance, grab, seize and kidnap one and carry her off to be your wife.
My Gaud and Holy Haysoos! What a documented Biblical C&V model! I’ll tell you up front, I am innocent as I do not personally obey the insane God of the Bible. I do obey enforceable US criminal and civil law. But, I refuse to obey many of the Tora’s Biblical God’s 613 insane commandments. Actually, there are 1,003 total commandments including the New Testament.
The Benjamites were given Israelite captured virgins taken from an enemy because it was declared that no Israelite women would be a WIFE to a Benjamite.
Behold! The Biblical God commands the Israelites to condemned one of their own 12 tribes. They actually killed most of the Benjamites.
Then, no Israelite daughter would be a WIFE to a Benjamite.
Ruth 3:6-12 Ruth seduced Boaz and they had sex before marriage.
Ruth 4:5-10 If you are like Boaz, purchase a piece of property and get a woman (Ruth) as part of the deal.
Does this Bible model encourage men to get wealth so to attract women? What does that say about women? It indicates that it’s easier for Biblical women to be attracted to wealth than to men.
At least sex-workers / prostitutes / hookers are not hypocritical about their “up-front” agendas.
This reminds me of what I wrote in my first book “Thoughts of a Social Layman” 1980: (page 110)
The Motivations of Sex
Romantics have sex for emotional satisfaction.
Lovers have sex for sexual satisfaction.
Hookers have sex for financial profit.
The difference between small-time hookers and big-time hookers is:
Small-time hookers get paid cash first from a mass clientele.
Big-time hookers expect financial payment forever from a limited clientele.
When the love is gone, one great class of hookers can be called wives.
Finis
Many of the Old Testament Prophets and Patriarchs had multiple wives, including: Lamech, Abraham, Jacob, Esau, Gideon, Saul, David, Solomon, Rehoboam, Elkanah, Ashur, Abijah and Jehoiada. Some interpretations also suggest Moses had a 2nd wife, Tharbis. Other polygamists identified in the Bible include Ahab, Ahasuerus, Ashur, Belshazzar, Benhadad, Caleb, Eliphaz, Ezra, Jehoiachin, Jehoram, Jerahmeel, Joash, Machir, Manasseh, Mered, Nahor, Simeon, and Zedekiah.
Esther 2:3-4 If you are like Xerxes, to get a wife, become the emperor of a huge nation and hold a beauty contest. (Esther competed)
Judges 14:1-3 If you are like Samson, when you see a woman you want, go home and tell your parents, “I have seen a woman – now get her for me.” If your parents question your decision, simply say, “Get her for me. She’s the one for me.” Samson thought he had her – but – she dumped him by marrying his best man. Samson was pissed! With God on his side, you would not like Samson much when he is pissed.
2 Samuel 11 If you are like King David, kill the husband and take his wife.
Genesis 38:9-10 & Ruth 1:11, Ruth 4: 5-11 Matthew 22:23-27: If you are like Onan and Boaz, wait for your brother to die. Then, take his widow for your wife. It’s not just a good idea – IT’S GOD’S WRITTEN LAW!
Made to be childless is God’s ultimate punishment for Biblical wives.
No Baby in The Basket!
1 Kings 11:1-3 If you are like Solomon, (the man who God gave wisdom) don’t be picky. Make up for quality with quantity. Have 700 wives AND 300 concubines.
Hummm. If this was God’s plan, were these 1,000 women all virgins? Israelite priests must marry virgins. You would think that a Biblically “sacred” Israelite King must too. Solomon proved not to be prejudice. Solomon knocked-up the black Queen of Sheba. Her son Menelik became Emperor of Ethiopia.
Well, concubines are almost like wives. They are kept and paid-for mistresses.
Wow! Can you imagine all the jealous whining and bitching? And, what about all that awesome child-support? If Solomon had sex with each of these women just once a year – he would have to “do” them on an average of almost 3 ladies per day – every day. IT’S VIAGRA TIME – ALL THE TIME!
Corinthians 7:32-35 If you are like Paul, you would NOT have a wife.
Jesus Christ, by New Testament reputation, would not have SEX with a woman and did NOT want a wife.
But – it is documented in John 21:7 that there was “a disciple whom Jesus loved”. Did Jesus have a secret?
Deuteronomy 22:28-29 If a man finds a virgin, not betrothed, and he is caught raping her, then, that man shall pay the girl’s father 50 shekels of silver. That man must then marry the girl and never divorce her.
So – if a man wants to marry your daughter, the Bible tells him to rape her – pay off her father and then she is his. Another great, just and righteous Biblical model for humanity! And, can you imagine how excited most women are knowing about this “sacred” Bible advice.
Biblical Wives / Mothers / Fathers / Children
Abraham & Sarah
(Bible Family Models)
Genesis 20:12 Abraham married his half-sister (Sarah). They both had the same father – but – different mothers.
Leviticus 20:17 If a man takes his sister, EVEN A HALF-SISTER, who is the daughter of his father or mother, they will be cut off from their people. Since he committed incest with his sister (even a half-sister) he shall bear his guilt. Torah / Catholic / KJV
Abraham, the father of Judaism, Christianity and Islam religions, had sex and committed INCEST with his HALF-SISTER, Sarah. Why were Abraham and Sarah both chosen by the Biblical God to be the parents of all of God’s future religious generations? Abraham, Jacob, Lot, Moses, David, Solomon and most of God’s Biblical Heroes were products of incest or did commit incest, murder, theft and adultery. They were all the Biblical God’s chosen favorites. Where is the Biblical God’s sense of right and wrong?
Genesis 12:12-19 Abraham told his wife (half-sister) Sarah to lie about their man-wife status. As a result, Pharaoh asked: “Why did you say that she (Sarah) is my sister so that I took her for my wife?” Catholic
Unlike the Torah and the KJV, this Catholic version documents:
Pharaoh said, “I took her for my wife.”
Under Israelite law, a marriage is not a marriage and a wife is not legally a wife unless the union is consummated by having sex. Oh, what to believe?
Did Pharaoh have sex with Sarah? What would a fundamentalist say – because – the Catholic Bible documents: Pharaoh said, “I took her for my wife.”
Genesis 13:2 Now, Abram (Abraham) was rich in livestock, silver and gold.
Silver & Gold
Was Abraham our first pimp? Did old, “Honest Abe” gain this wealth by being a con man and a pimp for his wife, Sarah? Do you think Abraham and Sarah would ever try this pimp-agenda again? Yep! They will do it again with a different king / sucker. Don’t worry. God is with them. They do succeed – again.
Genesis 16:1-10 Sarah gave Abraham Hagar, her handmaid, for sex and children. Abraham had intercourse with Hagar who conceived Abraham’s first son, Ishmael.
So Abraham, the old swinger, had sex with Sarah’s servant – Hagar an Egyptian – with Sarah, the swinging wife’s consent! Well, that’s if she “partied” with Pharaoh.
Pregnant Hagar looked with contempt on her mistress Sarah, so Sarah abused her and she left. An Angel of God said to Hagar: Go back to your mistress and submit yourself to her abusive treatment. Catholic
What? God’s Angel tells a woman to submit to abusive treatment? Is God’s Angel insane?
Azizah Y. Al-Hibri Ph.D.; Law professor, Islamic: One commentary says: “Sarah was so mad at Hagar because of Abraham’s attention that she decided to mutilate her in some way to make her less interesting. And that’s how female circumcision started.”
Whoa! What? Really? Sarah! That’s despicable! Sarah, are you really the mother of two main religions? Is mutilating a woman’s sex organs part of your Judeo-Christian ethic? If so, Sarah, shame on you – big time!
Abraham started – what was to become – the Judeo-Christian religions with Sarah.
Abraham also started – what was to become – the Islamic religion with Hagar by having Ishmael. Maybe, that is why the Koran has a more detailed interest in Hagar’s story.
Abraham Is aDocumentedDead-Beat Dad?
How can an unchanging, good God possibly approve of this? Is adultery “conditional” or by spousal consent? Did Sarah, the mother of the Judeo-Christian religion, abuse Hagar by female circumcision?
How could a “good / loving / sensitive / moral / perfect / fair and just” God send Hagar back for more abuse?
Does God also show “virtue and perfection” by condoning assault / abuse? Aren’t prisons full of righteous, God-like, Christian wife-abusers and child-beaters? Today, more women are murdered in the United States of America by domestic violence than by any other single means. (Source: Internet news. Where else?)
Deuteronomy 27:22 Cursed be he who has relations with his sister or his half-sister…
But, Abraham, the father of three (3) religions (Islam, Judaism and Christianity) and Sarah, his wife, were half-brother and sister. They weren’t cursed.
Another review: According to Genesis 20:12 Abraham had married his half-sister (Sarah). They had the same father and different mothers. So, what does that make Isaac who started the Israelite line? Behold: Ishmael, who was Sarah’s handmade Hagar’s son who started the Islam line, was at least, not a product of incest. Was Abraham, like Eve, responsible for the constant plight of the Israelites due to this little-known “CURSE OF INCEST” that is rarely discussed. Did INCEST cause 4,000 years of war?
In Genesis 20 Abraham and his wife Sarah, again, pass themselves off to King Abimelech as brother and sister. The same, pimp and hook, con game happens again. The King catches the con in time, yet, he still pays off Abraham with herds, gold, and land.
Where could prostitutes – over the past 3,000 years – have received their inspiration? Could the “Holy Bible” have possibly contributed?
Abraham and Sarah made vast fortunes by their 2 “pimps and con games”. God had promised them wealth. Who said: “God works in strange ways”?
Shame on both Abraham and Sarah, the father and mother of the Judeo-Christian religions!
INCEST! Many of God’s main heroes: Abraham, Isaac, Jacob and his 12 tribes / sons, and later, Moses participated in or are products of incest. If the Biblical God was truly in control and incest was His preferred agenda to produce His heroes, how can incest be deemed illegal and considered to be bad today – if God doesn’t change and can’t be wrong?
Genesis 25:1-6 After Sarah died, Abraham married Keturah and had 6 more sons. He had some other offspring by some more concubines.
Abraham was considered too old at age 100 to have Isaac with 90-year-old Sarah. Yet, years later, this old swinging Biblical stud had more kids by his new wife, Keturah, and some concubines.
King David Luvs Wives & Concubines
I Samuel 18:27 David murdered 200 Philistines and then circumcised their corpses. David gave King Saul 200 (penis) foreskins for the hand of Michal, one of Saul’s daughters.
Foreskin
I Samuel 25:2-34 David said: As God lives, who has restrained me, if you (Abigail) had not come down, so quickly, to meet me; by dawn, Nabal (your husband) would not have had a single man or boy left alive.
The Bible documented that David, God’s hero, would have killed everybody at Nabal’s place just because he felt that Nabal insulted him? What a “God-size” ego!
I Samuel 25:39-43 (A week later, God killed Nabal) David married Abigail, Nabal’s wife, and also took Ahinoam for his wife.
II Samuel 5:13 David took more concubines and wives – more kids were born to him.
What a “romantic” / wife-getting SOAP OPERA the Bible is!
II Samuel 6:20 David exposed himself to the slave girls.
Indecent exposure? Na. Horny David was probably just looking for another wife. God’s hero, David, does prove to be quite the husband model for humanity.
II Samuel 11:2-5 David made pregnant Uriah’s wife, Bathsheba.
David & Bathsheba
Oops! Isn’t David having sex with the married Bathsheba committing adultery? Did David rape Bathsheba? Or did Bathsheba willingly commit adultery too?
David was the King. How many women have experienced rape while feeling the need to obey someone’s authority? Or was Bathsheba a selfish opportunist? Shouldn’t Biblical models sometimes be questioned and challenged?
II Samuel 11:14-17 David ordered Uriah, one of his own military officers, to be killed in battle so that David could have his wife, Bathsheba.
What? David had sex with the already married Bathsheba and then David ordered her husband, Uriah, to be “killed in action”?
Let’s see now. King David is God’s Biblical hero. Bathsheba was married to Uriah. Uriah was one of King David’s Army officers. David and Bathsheba committed adultery. David knocks-up Bathsheba. David orders her husband, Uriah, killed in battle so that he could have Bathsheba.
Let it slowly and redundantly sink in: Bathsheba either willingly committed adultery or David raped her. Then, David arranged to have Uriah, Bathsheba’s husband, murdered. Uriah was one of King David’s military officers, who served David through his top Army General, Joab. As a retired reserve United States Army officer, this gets my panties in a bunch!
II Samuel 13:1-18 David said: I have sinned against God. Nathan answered: God, on His part, has forgiven your sin. You shall not die.
God instead murdered (innocent) David’s and Bathsheba’s (guilty) baby at (the grand-old-age of) seven (7) days.
Biblical conflict? Contradiction? I Samuel 25:28 David fights the battles of God and evil has not been found in him in all his days.
What? Does the Biblical God know right from wrong? Insanity is not knowing right from wrong.
Leviticus 20:10 God commands: If you commit adultery means death.
Deuteronomy 22:22 The Law of Moses required that David be stoned.
But, David was not executed / killed. Instead, God, after 7-days of the baby’s suffering life, killed the child.
God Murders
Ezekiel 18:20 The son shall NOT be charged with the guilt of the father.
God sends evil to David’s innocent child, murdering him only 7 days after he is born. Wake up, all comatose believers, who stubbornly, steadfastly and righteously remain in denial! What is wrong with all of these pictures? God shows favor to David, who blatantly disobeys most of His sacred commandments: Thou shalt not covet thy neighbor’s wife – David did – thou shalt not commit adultery – David did – thou shalt not steal – David did – and thou shalt not murder – David did! David did them all, but, this insane Biblical God forgives insane David’s sins, by punishing others who are treated no differently than sacrificial animals. God spared David’s life by sentencing his innocent son, the product of David’s adultery, to death in his stead. God punishes the innocent child for his father’s sins.
What do you think of David? Do you feel that David is a hero?
Do you truly love this God, or do you just fear Him?
Do you still righteously claim that the Biblical God is “just and fair”? If so – by risk of proving yourself to be insane – explain yourself.
II Samuel 12:11-12 God said: I will bring Evil upon you out of your own house. I will make your neighbor have sex with your wives in the presence of all Israel in broad daylight.
What? The Biblical God introduces and condones public voyeurism and adultery! You go, God! Apparently, God views that some neighbor’s are good for having adulterous sex with other people’s wives.
Do you think that the lucky neighbor, who God forced to have sex with David’s wives, will be punished for adultery? Were David’s wives raped by the neighbor or did they also willingly commit adultery? Did David’s wives have any say in the matter? Did God arrange for the rape of these women? What is God’s teaching point? Will David and / or God punish those women for adultery? Isn’t it voyeurism for all Israel to observe these sex-acts? Israel didn’t have cable TV. So, how could all Israel do that? Do you think that the Bible fibs on occasion?
Deuteronomy 28:30 God will have another man lie with your fiancé / wife. You will build a house but you will not live in it.
What? Again, it is God Who will force another man and another wife to commit adultery. God also shows the results of adultery which is called divorce.
In II Samuel 12:11-12 This insane Biblical God is hereby documented, by C&V, to actually have caused smut, sin, adultery, voyeurism and divorce.
God’s King David probably thinks: “Ho hum – another orgy”.
Bathsheba was rumored to have stopped attending orgies. She complained: Too many thank-you notes.
Isn’t it always: “The Devil made me do it?” Is the Biblical God really the Devil? This insane Biblical God is documented to be jealous, angry, vengeful and murderous. God is by far the most miserable character in the entire Bible. Can you name a Biblical character more miserable? Fictitious or not, the Biblical God is probably also the Biblical Devil.
II Samuel 12:24 David comforted Bathsheba, had sex with her (again) and she bore Solomon. God loved Solomon.
Solomon, a son of an adulteress mother, became an even greater King than his murdering, thieving, adulteress, madman father, David. Isn’t it time someone pointed out these controversial Biblical, C&V, facts?
II Samuel 20:3 David locked away 10 of his concubines (his almost wives on the extra-board) until their deaths.
Those 10 concubines did nothing that they had any control over to deserve that unjust cruelty.
II Kings 8:7-15 Elisha said (to God): I know you will dash their little children to pieces and lay open their pregnant women.
Does the Bible presume that some of those pregnant women were wives? Did it matter to God?
Judges 8:30 Gideon had 70 sons for he had many wives.
Are you getting the feeling that the Bible doesn’t put much value on being a wife? Is there just one clue?
Joshua 2:8-13 Rahab, the harlot, was a traitor to her people. She was a great, great grandmother of King David and in the blood lineage of Jesus Christ.
“Rahab the Harlot” was not an Israelite. She became the wife of an Israelite priest named Salmon – Matthew 1:5 – their son was Boaz who married “Ruth the Moabite”. Catholic
Rahab the Harlot Jesus Christ’s Bloodline
Boaz & Ruth Jesus Christ’s Bloodline
Boaz married Ruth, a Moabite. Ruth was not an Israelite. Their child would be 1/2th Israelite. The “God-insisted” Israelite bloodline is getting pretty diluted. King David will be born soon in that diluted Israelite bloodline. Jesus Christ will be born a thousand years later in that “sacred” bloodline.
Behold: King David’s sacred genes are just 2 generations away. They cannot consist of pure Israelite DNA.
God had previously killed many thousands of His “Chosen People” for inter-marrying and not keeping the sacred Israelite bloodline pure. But, neither “Rahab the Harlot” nor “Ruth the Moabite”, were of the Israelite bloodline. Is it any wonder that God’s “perfect and infallible” plan is often confusing and stupid.
Hosea 1:2 God ordered Hosea to marry a harlot.
Harlots seem important in God’s perfect and infallible plan. Bible C&V surprises never cease.
Leviticus 18:12 God commanded: You shall not have sex with your FATHER’S SISTER. Torah / Catholic / KJV
A little review:
Exodus 6:20 Amram took Jochebed his FATHER’S SISTER for his wife. Jochebed bore him Aaron and Moses.
Moses, one of the Biblical God’s greatest Old Testament heroes, is documented in Exodus 6:20 to be a product of INCEST.
Lot had sex with and impregnated both of his daughters.
Do you think that God considered righteous Lot and his 2 virgin daughters to be husband and wives? Do you?
Jacob had sex and produced children with his own cousins: Rachel, Leah, Bilhah and Zilpah.
Jacob married / had sex with / knocked-up: Leah Rachal Zilpah Bilhah = 12 Sons
The Torah notes indicated that all 4 women were blood-relatives to Jacob through their supposed father, Jacob’s uncle Laban.
Tamar sold sex to Judah as Judah thought she was a prostitute / hooker. Judah impregnated his daughter-in-law, Tamar, with twins. Alas! Both Judah and Tamar were in Jesus Christ’s lineage.
Tamar never became Judah’s wife. What? A dead-beat dad with no honorable intentions in Jesus’ lineage?
Rueben, Jacob’s son, had sex with his father’s concubine, Bilhah.
Did any of them die due to their illegal and immoral actions? No! Many, whom they sired from these unions of incest, became this God’s Biblical heroes.
Leviticus 21:7&13-14 A priest shall not marry a woman who has been a prostitute or divorced.
Leviticus 21:13 A priest shall marry only a virgin.
What? Why? God commanded His own hero / priest / prophet, Hosea, to marry a hooker in Hosea 1:2. God breaks many of His own commandments when He gets the urge. Behold, the God of hypocrisy.
Next: Zimri, an Israelite man, wanted to marry a non-Israelite woman, Kasbi. God had forbid that union.
Pinchas Killed Zimri and Kosbi
During their consummating their wedding ceremony this takes place because God did not approve of Israel’s inter-racial marriages.
Numbers 25:6-9 An Israeli man (Zimri) and a Midianitish woman (Kazbi) came within view of Moses and the Israeli community at the entrance of the meeting tent. Phinehas (KJV) or Pinchas (Torah), a grandson of Aaron the priest, taking a lance in hand, drove the lance through both the man’s and the woman’s groin, killing them both. That pleased God, so, He stopped His murdering. Yes, but only after God had murdered 24,000 more of His Own chosen.
An Israelite marriage was performed by a ceremony at an altar. Then, the couple go into an inner-chamber and have sex to consummate / legalize their marriage.
Did this young priest murder the couple while they were consummating, by sex, their marriage vows? This mixed religious / bloodline couple, God wants dead. Picture this young priest coming into the inner chamber while the man was on top of the woman having sex with her and the young priest thrust the lance up the man’s ass / groin and through the woman’s belly / groin into the floor – killing them both. That is what pleased God so that He stopped His murdering of 24,000 more of His Own “sacred” Chosen.
Solomon had sex with and married the black Queen of Sheba and nothing bad happened. She had a son by Solomon. Obviously, genes and skin color doesn’t matter to this inconsistent and unpredictable God.
Solomon & Sheba
The “religion” / who is to be obeyed is all that matters to the Biblical God. If someone religious preaches religion to you, they are probably seeking and testing your obedience to them.
In Numbers 25:11-17 Phinehas, by murdering Kazbi (Cozbi) and Zimri, turned God’s jealous wrath away from the Israelites. God then ordered Moses to murder the Midianites.
The people took issue with Phinehas for wrongful deaths. God then declared Phinehas to be a hero because he had saved (Israelite) lives by murdering the couple. From: Torah notes
More: Moses married (Bible Note) a Midianite woman in Exodus 2:16-21, yet Moses murdered Midianites?
In Genesis 25, Abraham married Keturah and had a son named Midian – which started the Midianites. God ordered Abraham’s offspring to kill Abraham’s offspring – again.
The Biblical God proves to be a poor boss / manager / supervisor / King and God over His “chosen” people.
Numbers 31:14-17 Moses was angry at the Generals and Captains of the army and asked: Why have you kept all these women alive? Now, kill every male child as well as every woman who has had sex with a man. But, the young girls who have not had sex with a man, you may keep alive for yourselves. God’s army killed every male child and kept only the 32,000 virgin girls for themselves.
Moses had ordered the execution of thousands, including wives, mothers and babies. Have your eyes glassed over with comatose? Aren’t you numb with all God’s murdering of wives, mothers, and non-virgin girls yet?
Numbers 31:32-35 (Recap) As booty, the soldiers kept 32,000 girls who were still virgins.
Deuteronomy 13:7-10 God ordered: If your own brother, son, daughter, WIFE or friend entices you secretly to serve other Gods, murder them. Your own hand shall be the first raised to murder them; the rest of the people shall join in with you.
Would one consider this to be a stabilizing perspective for one’s mental-health?
Deuteronomy 22:20-21 If the tokens of virginity be not found in a damsel, murder her.
Virginity Not Found: What? The Biblical God orders that you kill a young single woman who is not a virgin? What if she is your daughter or the woman that you want to marry?
Deuteronomy 22:22 If a man has relations (sex) with a married woman, both shall die.
David had sex with the married Bathsheba and they did not die. God killed their baby instead. Some people prove to be above God’s law.
GWD: I am above the Biblical God’s law. Aren’t you? How many non-virgin girls or gay men have you killed lately?
Deuteronomy 22:23-24 If a man has sex with a betrothed virgin damsel, kill them both; her, because she didn’t cry out. He, because he violated his neighbor’s wife. Catholic
What if she could not cry out? What if she did cry out but nobody heard it? And, shouldn’t betrothed be his neighbor’s future wife?
Deuteronomy 23:1 A man shall not marry his father’s wife nor have sex with her.
Don’t Do Your Father’s Wife
Well, Deuteronomy 23:1 is certainly understandable – for a change.
Deuteronomy 23:3 No child of incest may be admitted into the marriage community of God.
No child of incest? What? That would eliminate most of God’s “chosen” like Moses, Aaron and Miriam in Exodus 6:20 and Isaac – from Abraham and his half-sister Sarah – and Jacob’s (12 tribe) sons that were produced by his 4 cousin harem. If it weren’t for “INCEST”, the Biblical God would have almost NO “chosen”.
Deuteronomy 24:1 When a man, who marries a woman and has sex with her, is displeased with her because he finds her indecent, he writes her “a bill of divorce” dismissing her from his house.
Who would dare say that the Biblical O.T. God’s divorce law is unfair and tough on women?
Remember: Jeremiah 3:8 God, Himself, is a divorcee.
What? Whoa! This is shocking! Isn’t it? Why does the Catholic Church condemn divorce if their own “Biblical God Model” is also documented to be divorced?
Deuteronomy 25:11-12 When two (2) men are fighting and the WIFE of one intervenes to save her husband, if she seizes the other man’s private parts (penis and / or balls), you shall chop off her hand, without pity.
Chop Off Her Hand if it Touches another Man’s Penis
What? Chop off her hand? She tried to save her husband for Christ’s sake. If her husband seized the man he was fighting by the balls – would he be then considered gay and therefore killed?
Deuteronomy 28:53-57 (If you do not obey Me / God) You will eat the fruit of your womb, the flesh of your own sons and daughters, while begrudging your relatives any share of your children that you are using for food. The most refined and delicate woman will refuse her husband and children her afterbirth and infant, that comes out from between her legs, as she secretly eats them for food. Torah, KJV, Catholic
Ah, let’s pass on lunch.
The “Virgin Mary”, a girl (some say at about the age of 13) was mysteriously impregnated by the “Holy Spirit” to produce Jesus Christ. If Jesus Christ is also the “Holy Spirit” – as the “Trinity” claims – did Jesus impregnate His own mother, Mary, to produce Himself? YES or NO? If YES, then Jesus Christ impregnated His Own mother Mary to produce Himself. If NO, then, Jesus Christ can not also be the “Holy Spirit” – as the “Trinity” claims?
The Bible documents that “The Virgin Mary” was married to Joseph. It also documents that they had other children, by name. However, the Holy Catholic Church insists that Mary maintained her virginity.
If so, Mary and Joseph never legally consummated their marriage and just shacked-up.
Why does US law prevent sex before age 18 if Jesus’ mother, Mary, was impregnated long before age 18? What could influence old men to forget US law and to desire young girls more than the Bible does?
Judges 16:1 Samson had sex with a harlot.
It’s ok. The Biblical God does prove to like harlots.
Judges 21:10-11 12,000 soldiers were ordered to Jabesh-Gilead to murder those who lived there including women and children. That included all males and all non-virgin women.
Godly-gee! God does not like non-virgin women. Many, God views, do not deserve to live.
GWD: I’m not crazy about this Biblical God. Are you?
I personally love non-virgin women. To be honest, it’s the virgins who tend to bore me.
Matthew 10:35-36 Jesus said that He would turn “father against son, mother against daughter”.
Some of those mothers are wives, I’ll bet.
I Kings 1:1-4 King David tried but he was too old and impotent to have sex with Abishag, a good looking virgin. The spirit was willing, the flesh was weak so the King got no heat.
It looks like King David didn’t “get it up” to have one last concubine / wife for the road. He tried though. God must have been proud.
I Kings 2:13-25 Adonijah went to Bathsheba and said: Would you ask the King to give me Abishag to be my wife? Bathsheba asked Solomon but Solomon had Adonijah, his older brother, murdered.
I Kings 11:4 When Solomon was old, his wives turned his heart to strange Gods. His heart was not entirely with the Lord. Catholic
What wisdom? It looks like God’s wisdom wore off – or Solomon truly got wisdom and left the Biblical God for other, better, more worthy gods. Behold! Solomon, himself, ended up worshipping other Gods!
Solomon, like most Jews of the Old Testament, really must not like this Biblical God.
Hummm. Do you think that Solomon, God’s hero, who wrote the Book of Ecclesiastes in the Bible along with some Psalms, and who also ended up worshipping other gods, made it to Heaven?
II Kings 6:28-29 War, famine and inflation caused a woman to complain to the King of Israel. She told him: This woman said to me: Give up your son that we may eat him today, then tomorrow, we will eat my son. So, we boiled my son and ate him. The next day, I said to her: Now, give up your son that we may eat him. But, she hid her son.
Cannibalism In the Bible
Biblical Sex & Marriage
Genesis 2:21-22 One man, Adam, had sex with a woman, Eve, made from his rib.
Exodus 6:20 One man, Amram, had sex with Jochebed, his father’s sister. Amram and Jochebed were Moses’ father and mother.
Genesis 20:12 One man, Abraham, married and had sex with Sarah, his half-sister.
Genesis 16:1-10 One man, Abraham, had sex with his wife Sarah, and her servant Hagar.
One man, Abraham, successfully pimped his wife, Sarah, twice.
Genesis 25:1-6 One man, Abraham, had sex with his wife, Keturah, and some concubines.
Genesis 19:30-36 One man, Lot, had sex impregnating his 2 virgin daughters.
Genesis 26:9-10 One man, Isaac, tried to pimp his wife, Rebekah.
One man, Jacob, had sex with 2 wives, Leah and Rachel and 2 concubines, Bilhah and Zilpa.
Genesis 35:22 One man, Rueban, Jacob’s son, had sex with his father’s concubine, Bilhah.
Genesis 38 One man, Onan, had sex with his dead brother’s wife, Tamar.
Genesis 38 One man, Judah, bought sex and knocked-up His daughter-in-law, Tamar. Judah and Tamar were both in Jesus Christ’s bloodline / lineage.
Deuteronomy 22:28-29 One man was commanded to marry his rape victim.
Numbers 31:32-35 Many soldiers married their virgin prisoners.
Judges 16:1 One man, Samson, had sex with a harlot.
Hosea 1 & 3 One man, Hosea, married a harlot, sex worker, prostitute because God ordered it.
Matthew 1:5 One man, Salmon, married a harlot, Rahab-the-Harlot. They were in Jesus’ bloodline.
Judges 16:1 One man, Samson, had sex with a harlot.
1 Samuel 25 One man, David, married a woman, Abigail, whose husband God killed.
II Sam 11:14-17 One man, King David, killed the husband, Uriah, to marry his wife, Bathsheba.
One man, King Solomon, had sex with and impregnated the black Queen of Sheba.
1 Kings 11:3 One man, King Solomon, had sex with 700 wives + 300 concubines.
Ezekiel 20:26 God said: I let them become defiled by their gifts, by their immolation (sacrifice) of every first-born. They sent up appeasing odors by making their children pass through fire.
Genesis 8 20-21 God loved the smell of burning guts.
This God let His “chosen” Israelites sacrifice to Him their firstborn children and God loved the smell of their burning guts.
God said: As I live with poured out wrath, I swear: I will be king over you. The whole house of Israel without exception shall worship Me. I will claim the first-fruits of your offerings. As a pleasing odor, I will accept you.
Yes, the Biblical God liked the smell of first-born burning-guts and fat in the morning. God loved the smell of burning guts. Did you know that some Biblical wives / mothers sacrificed their first-born children to the Biblical God?
Judges 11:30-39 Jephthah promised God a burnt offering of the first thing that comes out of his house if given victory in war. His daughter came out celebrating his safe return. Jephthah sacrificed her to God by burnt offering as was the custom in Israel.
Ezekiel 24:15:24 God said to me: By a sudden blow I am taking away from you the delight of your eyes. Do not mourn or weep or shed tears. That evening my wife died. I did as I was told. My sons and daughters were murdered. I shall not mourn or weep, but I shall rot away because of my sins.
Some Biblical heroes’ wives are not to be mourned for. Neither should one mourn for certain kids either – it seems.
Genesis 19:26 Lot’s wife looked back, died and turned into a pillar-of-salt.
Lot’s Wife
God killed Lot’s wife because she disobeyed God by looking back at Sodom and Gomorrah. Man, God hates wives who don’t obey.
Lot left his sacred, God-ordained, wife behind without another Biblical thought.
What a model of “Biblical-love” this God’s hero had for his soul-mate wife – the mother of his two innocent, virgin daughters.
So much for the value of God’s “Marriages are made in Heaven”.
Simply stated: Based on the over 50% divorce statistics, if “Marriages are made in Heaven”, the Biblical God is screwing up a high percentage of the time.
Genesis 19:30-36 Lot got drunk, had sex with and made both of his (virgin) daughters pregnant.
Lot Knocked-Up His Two Daughters
Did Lot’s daughters become Lot’s wives – in the eyes of God?
What an awesome Biblical model for father-daughter love! By Hesus, that is known as INCEST!
Could this degenerate Biblical hero and model, Lot, have influence and even encouraged righteous, God-fearing fathers, throughout history, to have sex with their innocent, virgin daughters?
“In charge” God had chosen only these 3 people to survive Sodom and Gomorra. God chose Lot, a father who had tried to give his 2 daughters for sex to a mob; a husband who abandoned his wife’s remains, then got drunk, had sex with and knocked-up both of his virgin daughters.
Do you like Lot? Do you like God’s agenda, criteria and choice? Do you like the fact that Lot impregnated both of his virgin daughters? Why or why not?
This was excellent Bible C&V evidence that:
“The God of the Bible is not a good God – and the Bible is not a good model for humanity.”
It is time for them to go…
Genesis 25:20-26 Isaac and Rebekah had twins, Jacob and Esau.
Genesis 25:28 Isaac loved Esau. Rebekah loved Jacob.
This Biblical discrimination model indicates that God’s favorite parents each prefer one of their children over the other. What would happen if you told your not-chosen child that you follow this Biblical model?
Genesis 26:9-10 Isaac lied to King Abimelech saying Rebekah was his sister, tempting to sacrifice his wife’s having sex (with Abimelech), in fear, to save himself and was caught at it.
Isaac & Rebekah
Didn’t Isaac also became very wealthy, like Abraham, as God’s second documented pimp?
Bible Wives
Colossians 3:18 Wives, submit yourselves unto your own husbands, as it is fit in the Lord.
Titus 2:9 Slaves are to be submissive to their masters.
Submissive: To be subordinate, to be put in subjection, to subject one’s self, obey. to submit to another’s control, to yield to another’s admonition or advice, to obey…
Male-dominant patriarchal religions, such as Judaism, Christianity and Islam require women to be in an inferior position.
1 Corinthians 7:1-2 It is well for a man not to touch a woman. But because of the temptation to immorality, each man should have his own wife and each woman her own husband. Understand that the head of every man is Christ, the head of every woman is her husband, and the head of Christ is God. Woman is the glory of man.
1 Corinthians 11:8-9 For the man is not of the woman; but the woman of the man. Neither was the man created for the woman; but the woman for the man.
Ephesians 5:21-24 Wives, be submissive to your husbands, as to the Lord. For the husband is head of the wife as Christ is the head of the church, his body, and is himself its Savior. As the church is subject to Christ, so let wives also be subject in everything to their husbands.
1 Corinthians 14:34-35 The women should keep silence in the churches. For they are not permitted to speak, but should be subordinate, as even the law says. If there is anything they desire to know, let them ask their husbands at home. For it is shameful for a woman to speak in church.
1 Timothy 11:15 Let a woman learn in silence with all submissiveness. I permit no woman to teach or have authority over men; she is to keep silent. For Adam was formed first, then Eve; and Adam was not deceived, but the woman was deceived and became a transgressor. Yet woman will be saved through bearing children, if she continues in faith and love and holiness, with modesty.” Colossians 3:18-22 Wives, be subject to your husband, as is fitting in the Lord. Slaves, obey in everything those who are your earthly masters, not with eye service, as men-pleasers, but in singleness of heart, fearing the Lord.”
Titus 2:4-9 Train the young women to love their husbands and children, to be sensible, chaste, domestic, kind, and submissive to their husbands, that the word of God may not be discredited. Bid slaves to be submissive to their masters and to give satisfaction in every respect.
Revelation 14:3-4 No one could learn that song except the hundred and forty-four thousand who had been redeemed from the earth. It is these who have not defiled themselves with women, for they are chaste.
Summary of New Testament Quotes about women
It is good for a man not to touch a woman, so that he is not tempted to “immorality” and does not “defile” himself. Men are the “heads” of their wives and the “glory of God,” whereas the woman is merely the “glory of man.” Man was not created from woman, but woman from man. Women must be submissive in everything and subject to their husbands, who, again, are their “heads.” Women should not speak in church but must remain subordinate and learn in submissiveness. No woman can teach or have authority over men. Girls and women must be “trained” to love and to be sensible, chaste, domestic and submissive to their husbands.
Ephesians 5:2 Jesus Christ gave Himself for us an offering / sacrifice to God…
If Jesus knowingly committed a form of suicide as a sacrificial offering to the Biblical God, Jesus cannot be God.
Hebrews 1:4-7 & Psalms 8:5-6 both prove that Jesus was “begotten / sired” by God.
Jesus can not be God if Jesus was made / begotten / sired by God. That would be like you are your father.
1 John 5:12 Jesus said: He that has the Son has life; and he that has not the Son of God has not life.
Here Jesus said He was the Son of God – not God.
Colossians 1:15 Jesus was the first-born of creation. Catholic
Jesus was created?
Colossians 1:15 Jesus was the first-born of all creatures. KJV
Tradition and dogma dictates that the Biblical God was not born. Jesus was the first-born of all creatures? Jesus was a creature?
The KJV Bible writers did not like the older Catholic version because if Jesus is God, Jesus can not be created as Jesus is claimed to be infinite – meaning – Jesus, like God, has always existed and He always will exist. The trouble is when there is a documented Bible C&V contratiction, one can not have it both ways. One can not walk through solid walls – except in one’s imagination.
Conclusion: By Bible C&V evidence: Jesus Christ is not The Old Testament Biblical God.
Luke 2:52 Jesus increased in wisdom and stature, and in favour with God and man.
What? Jesus increased in favor with God? Then, Jesus Christ certainly is not God.
Physics law states that energy can not be created nor destroyed. But, energy does mutate, evolve and change into other forms of energy. The energy of an apple seed mutates, evolves and changes into an apple. The Biblical God is claimed to be unchanging, the same, from “The Alpha to the Omega” (from the beginning to the end.)
Hummm, if the Biblical God is unchanging and always the same – then God, Himself, has no “free will”.
If the Biblical God is the same from the beginning to the end – doesn’t that mean that God as a beginning and an end?
Dr. William R. Jones, Jr. of “The Bethany Hour”: Faith is something you have or you do not have. When faith is operative, then you believe what you cannot prove, you see the invisible, you trust the unknowable and you even embrace the illogical. Faith is the substance of things hoped for and the evidence of things not seen.
Dr. William R. Jones, Jr. 1935-2006
G: This is an excellent Bible definition of “believers faith”. Dr. Jones was a televangelist who has a remarkable baritone voice and when he talked, his voice was one of the most hypnotically convincing in the promotion of faith and belief.
The Holman Bible Dictionary: Sacrifice is food and drink for the gods to satisfy what they need. In return, forgiveness is assumed.
Leviticus 17 :13-14 God said to not eat or drink blood.
Sacraments: The sacraments are a bizarre concept that a reward for eternal life is in the eating of Jesus Christ’s Human flesh and the drinking of His Human blood.
G: It is a wonder, that with the still primitive, monkey-mind, mental mechanism of man, there isn’t more cannibalism in the world in pursuit of blood sacrifice for salvation. Some primitive rituals practiced today may still influence this dangerous, cannibalistic behavior for the less than mentally / emotionally stable. Do believers put themselves in a God’s role by pretending to drink Jesus’ blood and eat his flesh to satisfy their mythical salvation needs? When objectively and morally evaluated, it comes across as a pretty sick and immoral scenario.
The Sacraments: The drinking of Jesus Christ’s blood and the eating of Jesus Christ’s Body, some say, is religion and an art-form. Is the Biblical God – but an art-form within the agenda of a manipulative, tyrannical con-artist – Who assumes authority over you? Fear, based on ignorance, is used to motivate obedience, conformity, exploitation and the life-stealing sacrifice of innocent, ignorant people.
These works, on this website are designed to expose, by evidence, cruel religious manipulations and human vulnerabilities. They are designed to expose Bible C&V facts. Is this agenda to draw believers? No! You are the only thinker in your entire universe. You can think for yourself. Some fear that change will disrupt their order. Well, consider the law and order experienced for the past 2,000 years through the guidance and the models illustrated by the Bible and its God.
Was Jesus Christ ready to fulfill His destiny?
Matthew 26:37-39 Jesus began to feel sorrow and distress. He said: My soul is sorrowful even to death. My Father, if possible, LET THIS CUP PASS FROM ME. KJV
C. Dennis McKinsey: At this point, it doesn’t sound much like Jesus is very interested in dying for His fellow man, or for the fulfillment of anything.
Luke 22:43 To strengthen Jesus, an angel from Heaven appeared to Him.
Now, somehow that’s cheating. Most humans don’t report getting that strengthening courtesy just hours before their death. Maybe it’s the physician in Dr. Luke talking.
Luke 22:44 Jesus was in such agony and He prayed so fervently that His sweat became like drops of blood falling on the ground.
Luke 12:4 Jesus said: Be not afraid of them that kill the body…
Isn’t this another controversial conflict? Isn’t Jesus again saying: Do as I say, not as I do? Wasn’t Jesus described to be really sweating it? Haven’t mere humans faced death braver than in this description? Conversely, if Jesus wanted what was about to happen, wasn’t His act a form of suicide? So, should suicide be ok, if only in this case, within the believers’ value systems? If Jesus could opt out of His flesh body into His “transfigured body” at will, Jesus may not have experienced the pain His flesh body would have endured on the cross.
Bill Moyers, author of his great book Genesis: “God actually put His son on the cross to bleed in agony for other people. This is a God who would save us by doing that to a human being?”
Jesus Christ, according to the Bible, was in a bad situation and Jesus needed to be saved. Jesus begged God, His Father, to “let this cup pass from Him” so to be saved. God was in charge. God did not save His “perfect” son. God planned and had Jesus be tortured and crucified to death. While dying, Jesus cried out to God, His father, “My God, My God, why hast thou forsaken Me?”
If God is “The Savior” and / or “The judge for Eternal Torment”, what makes you think that God would save you in your lifetime or would save you to serve God for Eternity? Jesus begged God to save Him. God refused. If God could do that to His Son, what makes you feel so special? Does the Biblical God terrorize you to make Him a fear-based, worshipful factor in your life?
Matthew 27:46 Jesus said: My God, My God, why hast Thou forsaken Me? (Eli, Eli, Lama Sabathani?)
God Forsakes Jesus. Well, so much for Bible credibility and not for all the obvious reasons. As much as our hearts tug with pain due to Jesus’ suffering death, it tends to shock and anger some that it is all staged.
“Eli, Eli, Lama Sabathani?” “My God, My God, Why Hast Thou Forsaken Me?”
Matthew 27:46 is more evidence that it is staged. These words, verbalized by Jesus during His painful death-throws, were verbatim to Biblical words written a thousand years earlier, by King David. This is exhibited, as evidence, in The King James Version of:
Psalm 22:1 My God, My God, Why Hast Thou Forsaken Me?
A little m for me as it was David, not Jesus, depicted in Psalm 22:1.
Concerning Psalm 22:1. It is evident that many things have been “borrowed” after the fact from many pagan religions to make up the composite character of Jesus Christ and this is evidence of one of the greatest adoptions. Did Jesus, a God, during His death-struggle, quote these already written words, or were His words applied, after the fact, by Biblical Old Testament plagiarism? If this is but plagiarism, how much more of the life of Jesus Christ was but a composite plagiarism of other religious heroes?
Luke 23:46 Jesus cried out: Father, into Thy hands I commend My spirit and breathed His last.
Psalm 31:5 Into Thine hands I commend my spirit. KJV
Jesus does not prove to be a descendent of King David – but a mere composite of David’s poetry in Psalms. Did these Gospel writers make up Jesus and put words in His mouth in a guise to fulfill prophesy?
T. S. Eliot claimed that bad poets borrow but good poets steal.
Dennis McKinsey e-mailed me that it was Jesus’ Divinity that took a hit.
Matthew 27:52-53 When Jesus died by crucifixion, tombs were opened and the bodies of many dead saints raised forth from their tombs, entered the city and appeared to many.
Is Matthew credible? No history bearing nation: Rome, Israel, Egypt etc. nor Mark, Luke, John, Paul (nor Ringo) bothered to make such a claim. If that had really happened, would it not be worth mentioning by at least one of the other Gospel or New Testament writers? Either Matthew took extraordinary or zealous literary license, or he had a sense of humor. Maybe, he got so excited he forgot to take his medication.
Jesus Is Missing From His Tomb
Job 7:9 He that goes down to the grave comes up no more. Oh, what to believe?
Luke 24: 41-43 (After Jesus’ resurrection) Jesus appeared to His disciples and asked them: Have you anything here to eat? They gave Him a piece of baked fish; Jesus took it and ate it in front of them.
Matthew 28:20 The resurrected Jesus said: And behold, I am with you always, until the end of the age.
C. Dennis McKinsey: The end of anything is not always.
Idolatry: (Dictionary) 1. The worship of idols. Do crosses and people on them qualify? 2. Excess devotion or reverence for some person or thing. Does Jesus qualify?
John 7:16 Jesus answered them, and said, My doctrine is not Mine, but His that sent Me.
Jesus admits that He is not God.
John 7:34 Jesus said: You will seek Me and shall not find Me; and, where I am, you can not come.
Jesus often explained Himself and His values by speaking parables. He spoke of fictitious characters to represent Himself and describe His points. Did Jesus speak of a fictitious God in the same manner? If God has planned and pre-destined our moment of death and all the “evil” things we do or that are done to us; then, what is the role or purpose for any Satan or devil? GWD
Luke 19:27 Jesus said (in a parable): Now as for those enemies of Mine who did not want Me to be their King, bring them here and slay them before Me. Catholic
Jesus Said: “Bring Them Before Me And Slay Them” Does Jesus depict He wants those murdered who won’t allow Him to reign over them? So what if it was a parable? Wasn’t it Jesus Who said these words that will not go away?
Revelation 2:18-23 The Son of God (Jesus Christ) condemns a harlot for not repenting. (The same character, Jesus Christ then said): I will also put her children to death.
I personally really don’t care if this is a spiritual (fantasy) or literal passage. Don’t these passages qualify Jesus as a violent and cruel and a murderous figure? Jesus was a dreamer who may have sold some dreams and obviously some nightmares. If it were not for ego and hope, most clergy and therapists would probably be out of their con-jobs? “Is eternal death not a happier prospect than eternal existence if one can be tormented for eternity or have to be a slave to a tyrannical God for eternity?”
Anonymous Hosea 1:2 God said to Hosea: Go take a harlot for a wife.
God actually tells His prophet, Hosea, to take a hooker, prostitute, whore, harlot for his wife? What kind of model or message is God sending your son – or your daughter? Luke 10:16 Jesus equates: To reject or despise Him is to reject or despise God. How many clergy have also said: To reject them was to reject God?
John 13:23-25 One of His disciples, the one whom Jesus loved, was reclining at Jesus’ side, leaned back against Jesus’ chest.
John 19:26 (On the cross): When Jesus saw His mother and the disciple whom He loved, He said to His mother: Woman, behold your son. Then He said to the disciple (He loved): Behold your mother. The disciple took her into his home. Mary Beholds Jesus Crucifixion.
Are the answers to these questions the “Honest To God” facts? Who said: No one can take My sheep out of My hand?
The Controversial Jesus Christ
Luke 1927: Jesus Christ said: “And, as for those who would not have Me be King over them – bring them before Me and slay them”.
Revelation 2: Jesus Christ, the “Son of Man” said that He would also kill the harlot’s children.
Jesus Christ lost me on account of these 2 Bible Chapters & Verses. GWD
The “Apocrypha” consists of books and stories submitted that did not make it into the Bible. There was a story that Jesus, as a child, was playing on the roof of a house with another little boy. Jesus knocked the other little boy off the roof and the fall killed him. When Jesus came down, the people cried to Jesus “Why did you do that?” Jesus told them to get off His back and then brought the little boy back to life.
Why do believers tend to lie concerning their descriptions of God and the Bible?
The 66 books of the “Canon” Bible were voted on by “The Counsel(s) of Nicaea” between 325 – 400 AD by the same bunch who maintained that the Earth was flat and the center of the Universe.
“Canon” Bible
The Counsel(s) of Nicaea
Doesn’t the Canon / Bible prove that “truths” are competed for,
voted on and chosen?
“Facts” afford no such luxury.
Jesus Questions
Who said: I came not to send peace but the sword, father against son, daughter against mother? Who said: He that has no sword, let him sell his garment and buy one?
Who will rule over the house of Jacob, forever?
Who said: Whoever loves his mother etc. more than Me is not worthy of Me?
Who said: I have come to set the Earth on fire. How I wish it were already blazing?
Who said: Children will rise up against their parents and put them to death?
Who said: Without hating his mother etc. – he cannot be My disciple?
Who said to his mother: Woman, how does your concern affect Me?
Who said: Whoever believes – serpents and drinking poison will not harm them?
Who said: Friend, who appointed Me as your judge?
Who said: Sell your belongings and give alms?
Who said: Who does not renounce all his possessions cannot be My disciple?
Who was at meal in His house?
Who said that He was sent only to the lost sheep of the house of Israel?
Who said: Tax collectors and prostitutes are entering heaven before you?
Who said: Heaven will pass away?
Who said: This generation will not pass away until all these things take place?
Who said: Let this cup pass from Me three (3) different times?
Who said: My God, My God, why hast Thou forsaken Me?
Who died, tombs opened, dead bodies raised and appeared to many? Where is “The Virgin Mary’s” husband, Joseph? Dead? Divorced? What? Nobody cares? The disciple, whom Jesus loved, could be Andrew’s brother, John; as none of Jesus’ brothers were His disciples. Jesus’ brother James did assume control over the church in Jerusalem after Jesus was crucified. Later, James and his crowd were wiped out. Behold, your mother cannot be literal. Also, a must requirement for discipleship was found in:
Luke 14:33: Everyone had to give up everything they owned to follow Jesus. So, John could not have had a home of his own to take Jesus’ mother into.
Raising Up From The Dead?
Matthew 27:5 Judas (Iscariot, Jesus’ betrayer) went off and hanged himself. Is this another Biblical conflict or contradiction?
Acts 1:18 Judas, falling headlong, burst open and his guts gushed out.
Jesus died for our sins: In any value system, how can justice be served by executing an innocent man for the crimes or sins of others? If we support this doctrine and its God, we support that. Would anyone volunteer his or her child for Jeffery Dahmer’s crimes?
Is Jesus Christ the supernatural Biblical God? Can the Biblical God die? Did Jesus die on the cross for the sins of mankind? If Jesus Christ is the supernatural God, didn’t “know-it-all” God / Jesus know that He would continue to live beyond the cross? If Jesus Christ knew that He could not die, exactly what did Jesus sacrifice for the sins of mankind?
Don’t we support a God who wants vengeance and doesn’t care who pays the price? A Translation Argument: One great argument between Biblical authorities and us poor, Biblically illiterate is: Many of the clergy and the assumed elect manipulate the English Bible’s words by stating they don’t say what the original texts say. They refer back to the original Greek, Aramaic or Hebrew to establish authority over what is “God’s word”.
Greek Aramaic Hebrew Some assumed elect (preachers) argue for authority, control and power by stating: Preacher: You are reading the English versions and don’t know what the Bible really says or means. You are Biblically illiterate. I will tell you what the Bible means. Convert, conform, obey and send money! If what is written in English is not what the Bible means, then they (those assumed elect) must be admitting that our English-written Bible is inaccurate and poorly written; thus flawed. Personally, I only speak and read English. It is the Catholic “easy English” version that I am most able to grasp and mostly take issue with.
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Aramaic
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In the beginning, I did struggle through the King James Version. Often, one version is more controversial than another version is. If it’s not in English, I’m not guessing about it. Many see only the good things and ignore or avoid the negative things the Bible holds. Declaration: If I am wrong about most of these Biblical passages that I have selected to comment on, I am a fool. But, if I am accurate, I have learned much, and dared to share it. I am not responsible for what the Bible says. I, like you, am not responsible for how others feel about what the Bible says. I, you, and all Americans, have our Constitutional right, by law, to question and express our opinions on any and all writings.
Our Future Leaders?
God’s Evil Deeds youtube
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The God Murders website is the Atheist’s best friend
“Intelligence is categorical”
“Insanity is contagious”
“A high percentage of stupid is stubborn”
Proverbs 23:9 Speak not in the ears of a fool for he will despise the wisdom of your words. (Occasionally, The Bible Does Have A Gem.)
Some believers claim that learning reality is a sin.
Believers operate as if they have a license to ignore reality.
You are kept in the graveyard of your own obsolete beliefs by the stubbornness of your senselessness programming.
There is nothing more embarrassing than to get caught with an outdated hangup.
Galileo: All truths are easy to understand once they are discovered. The point is to discover them.
Gary DeVaney: But even if the mind-set believer does discover the truth, being mind-set, he or she, cannot accept the truth. Understanding is an intellectual process. Acceptance is an emotional process. Believing is mostly the programming of the will. Unrealistic belief proves that a high percentage of stupid is stubborn.
“The God Virus”
“The God Virus” was a term used by Richard Dawkins.
Dr. Darrel Ray wrote an excellent book called “The God Virus”.
I, Gary DeVaney, perceive that what Christians call “The Holy Spirit” is the same thing as “The God Virus”.
Why? Christians accuse me that I cannot understand God because I do not have “The Holy Spirit”.
I may have had The God Virus / The Holy Spirit at one time when I was a licensed, ordained minister. Privately reading the Bible and highlighting the controversial C&Vs that jumped off the page for me, cured me. I stopped being a believer. I became a thinking Atheist.
I personally can and will debate any controversial Bible C&V with anybody. Christians, who are infected by The God Virus / The Holy Spirit cannot and will not acknowledge, question, address nor debate selected, controversial C&Vs of the Bible.
Mindset believers protest, complain, criticize, avoid, evade and allude controversial Bible C&Vs. Believers will preach, attack, condemn and threaten Eternal-Torment if you expose, take issue with and debate controversial Bible C&Vs.
Conclusion: Believers are infected by The God Virus / The Holy Spirit that I am not infected by. I can think, question and debate the controversial Bible C&Vs. When believers are infected by The God Virus / The Holy Spirit, the virus prevents believers from thinking, questioning, acknowledging, addressing, debating and / or defending the controversial Bible C&Vs.
The God Virus / The Holy Spirit also affects their normal courage and their willingness to debate these Bible C&V topics. They obviously do not think that they can win a controversial, on topic, Biblical C&V debate.
As Dr. Darrel Ray points out, a virus tries to duplicate itself in the hosts of others. The God Virus / The Holy Spirit operates in that exact manner. It’s called “Christian Conversion”.
Experienced Christian Clergy, will not debate the Biblical God nor the Bible’s controversial C&Vs. They authoritatively, yet quickly, beg-off – usually by threats and in anger – pretending that they don’t have time. This means that “Experienced Christian Clergy” don’t have time to do their job.
Christian believers prove to neither have the emotional courage nor the intellectual knowledge / tools to successfully debate the Bible’s controversial C&Vs.
If you should take issue with the Biblical God’s murderous deeds / the Bible’s controversial C&Vs, believers will totally disregard your C&V topic. Instead, they will “hatefully” attack you, the issue-taker – while claiming that they are not. When they are caught, even in print attacking you, denial is automatic.
Gary DeVaney: Concerning belief, if something is NOT capable of being known, I am personally NOT much interested. Concerning religion, most of what you profess to believe is incapable of being known. Traditional, long-term, dogmatic beliefs mostly turn out to be authority promoting lies and falsehoods. If something proves to be true and is factual, it becomes knowledge in time. It is NOT some insane, timeless belief in authoritative idealism or fantasy. For a brain-washed, programmed, ego-attached, mind-set believer to threaten another Human Being to – “Believe or SufferEternal-Torment” – is the ultimate insane, authoritative nonsense.
Authoritatively, they will preach at you or threaten your “Eternal-Torment”. But, the believer will always fail to debate with you the Biblical God’s murderous deeds or the controversial C&Vs that you have taken issue with. Some believers will not attempt to defend a controversial Bible C&V merely because they are afraid that they will be caught changing or correcting “God’s Word”.
Have You Ever Threatened Another Human Being with Eternal-Torment?
The believer is mind-set in that the believer cannot think enough to question what he believes. A question is the highest form of thought. For perspective, if you are a Christian and if you can imagine a believer in Islam’s Allah and see if that perspective fits.
Belief: “I believe” always means “I don’t know”. If someone absolutely knows, he or she would claim to know. Why would a thinking person buy into another’s “I don’t knows”?
When a believer believes, his or her mind eagerly accepts anything that pretends to support their mind-set belief while automatically shutting out and discarding anything that disproves their mind-set belief.
Evolution: Science claims that over 99% of all species that ever lived on planet Earth are now extinct. If God does not change, it appears that God could not maintain His creation and evolution did take place. God does change because it is documented that God repented that He had made man. God murdered all life-forms on Earth – save one questionable boat-load – which included only 8 Human Beings. Can you scientifically explain how the 6 races on planet Earth evolved in about 6 thousand years?
The evolution model I learned requires no more faith than does basic arithmetic. Math makes sense without faith. Furthermore, unlike religion / myth, math does not lie. You only need faith when things do not make sense or when you choose to gamble. Remember, I live in Las Vegas. All those huge, beautiful hotel / casinos were built by losers with faith. Try to make sense while denying that.
Christians are afraid to focus on the evil murdering of the Old Testament Biblical God and they will not address the Bible C&Vs that document them. It does not take faith to address those C&Vs. It takes personal integrity and independent moral courage.
Christians go to great pains to deny and protect the documented murdering of the Biblical God. With this God-Model, when it comes to the Christian’s time to murder, murder comes easy. They fall into that God model quite easily and without conscience. Ask President George W. Bush. He shows no remorse nor conscience for his selecting, attacking, killing and injuring a million Iraqis, Afghans US troops and allies. Now, in the middle-east, young Islamists are using “democracy” to get rid of from their countries all the bought and paid for US puppet leaders – to rid the middle east of the political, military and financial imperialism of the USA. They are kicking the USA out of their countries. And rightfully so. The International Bankers are going to have to figure out another way to keep power in those countries. They have all the money. They are now making their power-move to dominate planet Earth. The primitive politics of religion could easily produce Armageddon in such a hostile climate.
When PresidentBarack Obama was asked if he would prosecute former PresidentGeorge W. Bush and his Vice PresidentDick Cheney for attacking Iraq, which was an innocent country that they accused for attacking the World Trade Center on 9-11, 2001, using torture on prisoners and lying to the World to start the war, Obama said that he was “looking forward and not looking back”. GeorgeW.Bush killed and injured well over a million Iraqis. Because of Obama, Bush and Cheney would get off for their murderous and torturous war-crimes. What if this “looking forward” precedent was used in all criminal court cases?
President Barack Obama has now enhanced his own private global war on terrorism by issuing a “license to kill” to selected, murderous troops and technicians. Authority worshippers, just like in the case of the Biblical God, believe in, allow, support, promote and finance these evil actions to take place.
Believer’s Psychological Evaluation Concerning God
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Gary DeVaney
“The Question Is The Highest Form Of Thought”
Most Christian believers have been preached the Bible and its God. Some believe just because they want to belong and that it is deemed to be socially correct / fashionable.
When it comes to the selected, controversial C&Vs of the Bible, many believers would declare something like: “I would not believe Bible controversy even if the controversary were true.”
Although the selected, controversial Bible C&Vs exist in the believer’s Bible, believers intentionally remain intellectually ignorant and emotionally resistant to their content and meaning.
The question is why? Way are believers resistant to know the content of these selected, controversial Bible C&Vs?
How about: God can’t be wrong? Believers can’t be wrong about their God?
But many stories in the Bible cannot be true.
The controversial C&Vs are included in their Bible for all to see – aren’t they? Believers believe their Bible – don’t they?
The horrors and murderous deeds that the Bible God did are documented by C&V throughout The Old Testament. In the New Testament God planned and executed the murder of His Son, Jesus Christ. As advertised, Jesus’ suffered and was executed to save you and me from all of our sins. If we do not believe and are not “saved”, when we die, we will spend eternity in Hell’s Eternal-Torment.
Would a Good God or a Sane Creator do this?
God’s “sacred” creation: For a life-form to live, lifeforms must die. For a lifeform to live well, more lifeforms must die.
Encyclopedia: Over 99% of all lifeforms species on planet Earth are now extinct.
What grade would you give God’s Creation?
Young minds receive this “holy” information and are religiously trained that God is good and that all of God’s murdering is righteous, just, fair, necessary and good. It’s God’s will.
Believers personally experience the righteous deaths of millions at God’s hand and then believers praise God for his power and for His murderous deeds. The Human conscientiousness becomes morally compromised. The Human value system unknowingly becomes distorted and biased. The believer consciously and unconsciously learns to praise the murderous God at all costs and to hate what he or she is told to hate.
Because of what God did in the Bible, when exposed, believers experience dilemma and psychological trauma.
The biggest source of Biblical “truth” comes to believers from clergy – not the Bible. Most clergy cherry-pick the C&Vs of the Bible.
The true source of C&V “fact” comes from contradictory Bible C&Vs – not from clergy.
For some deep thinkers, who do question the Biblical God and His Bible, it is not unreasonable to become an Atheist.
Why do believers resist selected, controversial Bible C&V information – the documentation that what the murderous God did is true? Collectively, as a nation, we succumb to the peer pressure of zealous, might-makes-right, you are either with me or against me, believers. “If you don’t believe – you will go to Hell!”
As Humans, we each have a world view that is persistently drilled into us by religion, dictated by clergy, parents, our environment and by surrounding believers.
The murderous Bible C&Vs show the murderous God to not be a good God. Yet, believers resist these documented Bible C&Vs as if they were not true. When believers receive information that does not conform to their programmed world view, they respond in denial, avoidance, righteous indignation, hostility. Why?
First the believer is programmed that God is good and perfect in every way. Then, some Atheist exposes Bible C&V evidence that proves that God is murderous and evil. The C&V evidence proves that God is not perfect, not good – in fact – evil.
God’s murders makes many believers view situational murder to be correct, righteous and good.
Upon being confronted with this blasphemous information, the believer starts to feel confused, uncomfortable and vulnerable.
They resent the messenger who exposed these controversial Bible C&Vs to them. Why? They believe the whole Bible – don’t they?
Fundamental Biblical criticism presents selected, controversial C&V facts that God is not good. For the believer, exposing these controversial C&Vs creates believer fear and anxiety. Instead of the believer debating these C&Vs, this confrontation can lead him or her into lashing out with hostility. Authoritative denial usually kicks in. Confused believers don’t know what to think. They want to believe. Perspective: Left brain and Ego cannot be wrong. When confronted, anger and an irrational attack mode becomes a priority. Many believers feel as if their ego’s mind-set, belief-supported authority has been defiled. The believer’s desire to question and to think shuts down. Believer vengeance becomes a priority. Most believers just deny any deviation from their mind-set belief and move on with their lives. They deny any new evidence and stick to their original story. Believers then wait to when they feel their ego be back in charge. Believers do not want to be open-minded. Believers want to be right.
Believers want their beliefs to be their mental and emotional “home” and they, like vicious junk-yard dogs, will territorially protect their “home” at all costs. Don’t mess with me! Don’t mess with my home! Do not defy my assumed authority! The more well-researched and accurate the debate facts are, the more sick, emotional and angry the mind-set believer becomes. The mind-set beliefs seek clergy support to reinforcement their remaining correct and by disregarding, denying and avoiding any evidence to the contrary.
Many believers have not based their beliefs on the Bible’s controversial C&Vs. They bought the feel-good dogma of clergy. Once established and committed to – they don’t feel compelled to seek the Bible C&Vs that would disrupt their beliefs. Most reluctantly glance at “The God Murders” website and then run – never to return. They would never educate themselves nor educate others as to what the Bible documents in contrast to their feel-good mind-set beliefs. For the mind-set believer to consider that God is evil causes mental and emotional pain. Righteous denial and avoidance becomes the pattern. For a believer to allow their beliefs in God to be destroyed severely alters their view of the world they live in. They could react as if it was frightening beyond their ability to cope.
Feel-good believers do not want to know the controversial C&V truth in fear that they would lose their identity. If the new information would prove to be true, they fear that their world would become too different and too confusing and scary to cope with. Their strength would become weakness. As long as they have faith and believe – and not know – they cannot be wrong.
Beliefs keep believers from looking at the evidence that destroy their beliefs.
Empirically educated people say: Show me the evidence and, if convincing, I will change my mind.
Believers insist: This is the way God works. What I am told to believe – I believe. The controversial Bible C&V evidence does not fit into what I have committed to and decided. So, I don’t need to look at the evidence because what I already believe is right.
Wishful and fearful thinkers will not believe something different from what they fear to be the truth. That could be a powerful factor in people denying the truth.
When someone says: “I refuse to believe”, you can be sure that the contradictory evidence coming their way is not bearable and conflicts with their world view and their comfort zone.
Denial and avoidance to new information protects believers from this kind of anxiety.
What is common in avoiding and denying believers is emotional fear. They are afraid of rejection, scorn and loss. They’re afraid of change. They are afraid to be wrong. Some are actually afraid that they will suffer Eternal Torment. Some cannot change their mind so to please their parents and friends. Some can’t change because they can’t be found guilty of passing false dogma onto their children. Some are afraid of becoming helpless and vulnerable. Some are actually afraid of the non-existent Biblical God. Some are afraid they will lose being who they are.
When mind-set believers feel that their beliefs are being challenged and confronted – because they don’t want to feel helpless and vulnerable – they quickly or eventually experience outrage and anger.
When a mind-set believer becomes frightened and angry, they want to avoid the facts as if they do not exist and attack the debater / messenger. Mind-set believers want to censor the messenger. When that cannot be done, angry believers then threaten, condemn, cut and run. They try to erase the experience and deny that it ever happened.
Healing takes place when one faces the truth. To experience the truth, to allow the feelings to manifest and to allow one’s self to explore the new information and facts is the healthy solution. To let the light shine on all the facts begins the healing process. It is painful to admit that you have lived a lie and that you have passed the lie onto others – especially loved ones who trusted you.
Mental-emotional recovery results when documented facts replace false beliefs.
Mind-set believers do not want to be exposed to controversial Bible C&V facts because they do not want to replace their mind-set beliefs. Their authoritative / defensive ego will not allow itself to be wrong.
Once suspicious, the least painless way to recover from confusion and error is to uncover the truth / facts on you own, your own way. At that moment, do not listen to any other Human Being. Research the documented Bible C&V facts and make up your own mind. In case of the Bible – the truth lies between you and the Bible.
The believer’s inability to see the evil side of the Biblical God can also make them incapable of seeing their own evil side. There are a lot of mind-set Christian believers on death-row who wonder how they got there. Somehow they felt entitled to take another Human life. The Biblical God murdered with immunity – and their gullible ego – whose job is to be more than it is – was programmed to become God-like. Anyone can make a mistake. Doing the right thing has a chance to correct a mistake.
I Peter 3:15 Be ready always to give an answer to every man that asks you a reason of hope that is in you with meekness and fear.
Colossians 4:5-6 Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that ye may know how ye ought to answer every man.
This Bible C&V gives documented evidence that believers, who will not answer or debate questions and issues of Bible C&Vs, go against God’s order.
If in debate someone shouts you down, they are a coward. They are afraid for you to get your point out. I like internet debate as you can cut and paste what they said and then take issue with it. They cannot shout over you in print. They usually just insult and run.
Teachers, by example, teach you how to think.
Believers, by example, tell you what to believe.
The question is the highest form of thought.
A believer cannot question his or her belief. If they do, they prove not to believe.
Believers can question other religions but they cannot question their own.
The cause of religious wars: I don’t believe in your religion. I am right. You are wrong. You had better believe in my religion – or else!
Concerning evolution: Some believers claim that learning reality is a sin.
War results when two egos want peace – on their terms.
Even an experienced, fundamentalist, Baptist minister will run away from a controversial Bible C&V debate. The fundamentalist minister solidly knows what the Bible documents. He knows that if he publicly defends those selected, controversial C&Vs, he will easily prove that he is a “Psychopath or a Sociopath”. A preacher knows that, if exposed, his “assumed authority” over others will not continue. If he publicly debates enough controversial Bible C&Vs, he also fears that he will prove to be categorically insane. Traditionally, Preacher’s sermons are monologs and not exposed to questions.
Q: If fundamental Preachers do know the controversial C&Vs of the Bible, why don’t they debate them or logically explain them.
A: Because they don’t want to lose their authoritative position nor the money that it makes them. Their guidance is simply for you to have faith. God judges. If you don’t have faith, it’s your fault, not theirs. Preachers will threaten: You must have faith and believe, or God will send you into Hell’s Eternal-Torment.
Preachers preach the Bible. They won’t debate it!
Typically, a Christian believer – and clergy alike – will authoritatively threaten you, insult you, disparage you and do a hostile retreat from you – if you challenge them to debate your selected / controversial C&Vs of the Bible. Sad but true – it will almost always end up this way. The delusion is the believer thinks he has won the debate because he threatened and “blew-off” the issue taker. Does any believer have another rational reason why he or she never addressed a specific Bible C&V that was taken issue with? There are thinkers and there are believers. Do you lead your life – or – do you follow?
Many Christian believers threaten that you will go to Hell and suffer Eternal torment if you don’t agree to believe what they believe. When challenged, mindset believers demand that there is no truth outside of their belief. The nonsense of “faith” serves them as their evidence.
Mr. Believer, would the Biblical God send me to Hell if I do not believe what you believe?
Mr. Believer, if you had the power and authority, would you send me to Hell if I do not believe what you believe?
Bill Maher: So, it’s about (believers) ignoring the book (Bible). I think they (believers) are realizing that is what they have to do. It’s to be able to have that sort of cognizant dissidence to say: I am a religious person but I’m going to forget what’s in the book because, after all, it was written by, you know, ancient desert-dwellers who were probably nuts.
Sheep are to be Fleeced Often and Ultimately Consumed
Christian Belief Concerning the Biblical God Do not Show Me any Controversial Bible C&Vs
Not a Mindset Believer
If “Jesus Christ” is NOT a proper name but the literal title of “Savior Anointed” and “God” is the title of “Authority” and “The Holy Ghost” amounts to God’s CIA are ALL one – but separate entities, with separate missions & responsibilities – then “God” is a merely the oldest, documented political office.
The US Supreme Court legalized the insane nonsense that a corporation is now a legal person.
Is “GOD” the first Corporation?
Does “GOD” amount to a “Political Office” – a threatening, heavy-handed, might-makes-right “Political Party” that Atheists refuse to serve, to worship or to vote for?
Behold: The Muslims vote for their Allah – the one God of Abraham – whom they serve, worship and vote to rule over them.
And, the Christians vote for their Judeo-Christian God – the one God of Abraham – whom they serve, worship and vote to rule over them.
Can this be the real secret of the world’s biggest religions – the Judeo-Christian-Islamic religions?
By Jesus and Mohammed, have we finally figured the God business out?
Jeremiah 29:11: For I know the plans I have for you,” declares the LORD, “plans to prosper you and not to harm you, plans to give you hope and a future.
If it were not for “HOPE” 90% of therapists and 100% of clergy would be out of business.
Do you know what the Bible documents about its God? Do you believe in the Biblical God? Do you believe in, worship, support and promote the Islamic Allah? After all, the Islamic Allah and the Judeo-Christian God are the same character. They are both the one-god of Abraham. If you claim that you do not believe in, worship, support and promote Allah, your own reasons why you don’t may inform you why I don’t believe in, worship, support and promote the Judeo-Christian God.
The believers of the Biblical God are emotionally programmed and brainwashed so that they cannot take issue with what the heinous murdering God is documented to have done, C&V. There are 180 charges of God’s C&V murders at: thegodmurders.com
Are You Conformed, Programmed, Brainwashed?
Take the enormous amount of media misinformation that is taken for truth by believers: The belief that Saddam Hussein had weapons of mass destruction (WMD) and that he (Saddam Hussein) was in on 9/11. The belief that climate change isn’t real and / or man-made. The belief that Barack Obama is Muslim and that Obama was not born in the United States. The insistence that all Arabs are Muslim and all Muslims are terrorists. The promoted perceptions that immigrants are both too lazy to work and (other than healthy competition) are about to steal your job. All of these claims are false, yet many mind-set believers will maintain their accuracy with incredible zeal. Why? Why do believers prefer to believe than to know? Is it simply that believers have lost their respect for knowledge? Doesn’t insane religion program its believers to have blind faith, to mind-set themselves with belief and to discourage them from knowing?
The question is the highest form of thought. Believers can not question their mind-set belief. Ergo, concerning their beliefs, the capacity to think is lost to them.
Furthermore, Bible believers worship, support, promote and finance the murderous, Eternal Torment threatening Biblical God and over-look this insane God’s murderous track-record – just like the believing authority-worshipping world over-looks George W. Bush’s murderous attack on Iraq – killing and injuring a million innocent Iraqis.
The God of the Bible is not a good God and the Bible is not a good model for Humanity.
Concerning Christian “Eternal Torment” fear-mongering – for the practicing mind-set believers, there is never a break from the fear. This religious, power-crazy idea is designed to terrify and terrorize Humanity during every waking moment. Practicing Christian believers routinely to get frustrated and hostile with thinking Atheists when their “Eternal Torment” terror tactic does not work.
The Christian excuse for their terrorism is: We practicing Christians terrorize you (with love) so to save your soul. You are to become a slave to God and Jesus Christ so that you will not be judged into Eternal Torment.
The slave / tyrant mentality is alive and well in practicing Christianity.
You would think that an intelligence that could create the billions of existing multiverses, that science has evidence of, would show more than “interpreted” fingerprints. Besides, the jealous, human-like God of the Bible depicted, with the murderous, jealous, vengeful emotions of a frustrated and insane child, is just too tiny and petty to be in league with a God who could produce the billions of existing multiverses. Let your ego be interested in something other than itself and you would have no need or desire for a god. It takes a lot of faith to believe in a God but it takes a lot of discourteous, authoritative, master-slave balls to push your insane Biblical God on others.
Christian Character Assassination & Ad Hominem: Christian clergy and other practicing authoritarians traditionally do not like to waste time debating a selected, controversial Bible C&V issue. Instead, authoritarians prefer to dispense with their opponents. Authoritarians go after the individual’s credibility, motives, intelligence, character – but rarely their sanity. That is because that common sense proves “believing” to be more insane than “knowing”. No category of character assassination is off limits and no offense is beneath the “Holy-Spirit” guided “Holier-Than-Thou” Christian. Practicing Christians also use “Ad Hominem” attacks – not just against individuals and Atheists – but against entire categories of people in an effort to discredit the C&V issues of every individual who dares to question or challenge.
The practicing Christian is a might makes right bully. As a fundamentalist Bible critic, I stand up to authoritative Christian bullies. The highest quality Bible C&V debate for me would be a fundamentalist Bible clergy. What fundamentalist Bible Clergy do you know who will step forward for a selected, controversial Bible C&V debate? You will not find one.
US Christian believers are emotionally trained to be believers, supporters and financiers of this heinous Biblical God so that they will believe in, support and finance their current President – even to their death. That’s how US believers have kept a blind eye on all their former Presidents’ evil deeds – like the overthrow of 14 Countries since 1898. The book “Overthrow” by Stephen Kinzer displays historical accounts of the US overthrow of Countries around the World to exploit and control their resources.
Redundantly, the heinous and murderous deeds of President George W. Bush is typically defended by the most religious Christians in the United States of America. The Bush administration has been responsible for over 1 million Iraqi deaths and injuries, most of whom would not be dead and injured if the Bush gang were not in power. These US Christians will defend and protect the Bush administration because of their training in defending the murderous God of the Bible.
Ephesians 5:6 Promises and promotes the wrath of God upon the children of disobedience.
Specific, honest and composite:
Believer: We believers support God due to fear-based tradition. It is smarter to support than to oppose tradition. Believers are afraid to “rock the boat”. We are afraid to be alone. Since childhood, we are programmed to fear and we all want mob-like, emotional support.
Question: Is a fictitious cause necessary?
Believer: What could be better to support than something no one has a handle on?
Question: Weren’t child-sacrifice, witch burning and slavery once traditions supported by this God, believed in by believers and no longer observed by believers? Yes or no?
Believer: Well, I don’t want to think of it that way, but, I guess so – yes.
Question: If you lived in the time of witch burning and slavery, would you support it?
Believer: If God told me that was His will, of course. Wouldn’t you?
Question: No, I wouldn’t. If the Biblical God-model supported those things once, why isn’t it time for Him to go?
Believer: When in Rome, you do as the Romans do, or else. Give to Caesar his due. When you are in a boat out at sea with evil people, you had best support them or you will be over the side. Survival also is traditional. If you are stuck around evil people and you don’t support them, you are in for some disapproval and punishment. God promised to judge them in the hereafter, so believers will have their vengeance. I approve of all the things God did in the Bible, as He is God, and I love Him. I just don’t want to hear or know any negative views of His deeds.
Evil?
Question: Is that why you defend the evil you pretend to oppose?
Believer: He’s not evil. You just have to support tradition if you want to survive and get along.
Question: Don’t you examine what you are supporting?
Believer: No. With God, it’s a matter of faith. Who would want to know that we are wrong? It would be unbearable to know that we have been lied to concerning God. It would be even harder to acknowledge to ourselves that we passed those lies on to our children. We don’t want to discuss anything negative about God. He’s wonderful!
Question: Be honest now. When you share your beliefs, aren’t you trying to supervise others?
Believer: Hummm… Yes.
Question: Why do parents lie and make up stories to their children about God, Santa-Claus, the Tooth-Fairy and the Easter-Bunny?
Why do parents lie about Santa-Claus?
Believer: Because it’s traditional. It’s fun and harmless!
Question: Aren’t parents teaching their children to lie?
Believer: No! Because we don’t want to think of it that way.
Question: Don’t children grow up and then realize that their parents lied to them about highly sensitive and emotional topics and couldn’t that effect their judgment concerning the realities they later encounter in their own lives?
How Do Believed Childhood Lies Affect Adult Judgment?
Believer: It doesn’t matter because they love their parents.
Question: How has the parental taboo of discussing sex with their children contributed to pregnancy statistics?
Believer: My parents got married when they had me. I was God’s plan. He loves me. God works in strange ways.
Question: So, love conquers all? But what kind of judgment processes and consequences do adults have as a result?
Believer: That’s where faith in God takes over. People have to be dependent upon and to fear something to be civilized. We are evil by nature.
Question: So, the slave mentality is alive and well?
Believer: Yes, we are all the Lord’s slaves and the brides of Jesus.
Praise God. Satan is the god of this world and we can’t commit suicide. You are a sinner. Goodbye!
Eric Hoffer: To know a person’s religion, we need not listen to his profession of faith; but, we must find his brand of intolerance.
Do you support “Human Secularism”? Check out any American $1 bill. The image of a pyramid on it has an elevated caps-stone that dates from 1500 BC. Some say it represents God in the form of Amen-Ra, the ever-present eye? Does “Annuit Coeptis” in Latin mean “The King Sees? He (God) watches the people’s actions in life so that He may judge them in death. Below it is written “Novus Ordo Seclorum”, “A New Secular Order”. Are you sure you don’t, in practice, support a pagan religion and / or human secularism?
Science Verses Religion
by
Gary DeVaney
If you are a religious believer, try to imagine your own religious life and your own unscientific world in the year 1800.
Imagine living your entire life with no electricity or appliances, no effective medicines, no easy transportation, no convenient communication, no modern housing, no temperature control, no entertainment, et al. Imagine the comforts of life that you do know about now, but you would not be experiencing for your whole life in the 1800s.
Can you compare and give examples of what science and fear-based religion has done in the past 214 years to make your life better and easier?
Now that you know what scientific logic and reason has done in the past 214 years to make your life much better, easier, richer, safer and longer today, would you trade scientific logic and reason for the religious, unscientific life in the year 1800?
The constant recycle of Psalms:
God, I am lowly and worthless!
Image of Teen Suicide?
God, is great, powerful, merciful!
God, Feel Sorry for Me!
God, get Close to Me!
God, give Me a gun & back Me Up!
PraiseGod!
We Slaughtered Your & My Enemies!
God, You Turned Against Me!
God, They / You Are Killing Me!
A good portion of Psalms was written by David.
Two hands working can do more than a thousand hands clasped in prayer.
Religion / Politics: If the majority of believers are trained, media manipulated, indoctrinated and coerced to do the wrong thing, then to do the wrong thing is insanely considered right.
Because this is a fair, often asked, question, it deserves an honest answer.
I, unlike many writers, I do not care to write about myself.
I am not the topic in a Bible debate.
I am not the authority – you are not the authority – the Biblical C&V facts are the authority.
My suggestion is: “Don’t believe me or any other man”.
Read the controversial Bible C&Vs – know what the Bible says about its God – and then decide for yourself.
Briefly, my story is: In the late 1970’s I was a screen actor (SAG) in Hollywood, California.
Acting did make my day!
I was a Captain in the U.S. Army National Guard & The Army Reserve.
I am now a retired Army National Guard and US Reserve Army Officer.
and an interviewer of major celebrities and a vice president of the Hollywood Stuntmen’s Union.
I am an aerobatic Stunt Pilot – (The Pitts S2-A).
I flew the Pitts S2-A
I’ve done stand-up comedy.
Joke: Why not become a Catholic Priest? You won’t have to deal with the Bible and you can listen to confessions.
An old Jew went into a Catholic Church and a confessional. He told the priest: I was sitting in the park, minding my own business, feeding the pigeons and the most beautiful teenage girl I’ve ever seen asked me if we could have sex. Man! It was the most fantastic, special, unbelievable, heartfelt, perfect and memorable 20 minutes of my entire life. The priest asked: How old are you? 93. Are you Catholic? No! I’m a Jew. The priest asked: Then why are you telling me? The old man said: Why am I telling you? Hell, I’m telling everybody!
I have sparred with amateur boxers and one professional middleweight. I was 6’1″ / weighed 212. He broke my nose in the first round of 3 rounds and I admit I never really got a glove on him. I also broke my arm while arm-wrestling once. Orthopedic Surgeon time. Ah, the fun, good old days.
Joke: Once in a sparring match, I hurt my hand. Yeah, the referee was standing on it.
I am now retired. I was a practicing hypnotherapist for over 40 years – starting in Los Angeles – ending up in Las Vegas. My clients were miserable enough to pay money to emotionally feel better. I learned early that what brought them to therapy was – they felt entitled and they felt that life was not giving them all that they felt entitled to. I personally learned from observing that redundant pattern. I personally decided to get to know myself and to know what I did want. More importantly, I decided to know what I did not want in my life. For me, it proved not to be difficult. Once known, I became extremely good at avoiding what I did not want in my life. If you are successful at avoiding what you do not want in your life, your life can be pretty good.
In 1982, a church I attended offered a program / seminary and I became a licensed, ordained minister.
I had thought I knew the Bible pretty well. I did not.
When I received Bible questions, I would look things up instead of giving the usual “have faith” answer.
For the past 40 years, since I resigned my ministry, my life has functioned in a manner that I have experienced a full life and lacked little. I am only addicted to reality – which I feel that I have happily learned to handle well.
My definition of “freedom” is unaccountable time – and I live free. I share my time but no one else controls it. That makes me king of my world. More importantly, I don’t feel the need to be king of another’s world.
That has been the secret to my personal happiness. I am not convinced that it can be intellectually understood or emotionally accepted by mind-set believers or that it is even teachable to the average “believing” ego.
I wrote a couple of “self-help” books – “Thoughts of a Social Layman” (1980) and “Emotional Surgery” (1982).
I was in Irwin Zucker’s office, my Los Angeles Public relations man, and I saw a book on his desk titled “God 2000, Religion without the Bible”. It had Paul Winchell’s picture on the back cover. Paul Winchell was a prominent 1950’s TV puppeteer with puppets Jerry Mahoney and Knucklehead Smith. Irwin saw my interest in the book and asked me to take it home and evaluate it. I did. I did meet Paul Winchell once socially some years later. He was quite a guy!
When I read Paul’s book, I was upset. Paul documented selected, controversial Bible C&Vs that were shocking to my programmed, idealistic, naive view of God. I kept saying “That is NOT in the Bible!” It always was.
I was so angry that I went out and bought the biggest print, easy English Bible I could find. I read and highlighted every controversial and contradictory Bible C&V that I found. Years later, I bought the KJV Companion Bible for $100 from Pastor Arnold Murray and was given the Torah as a gift from a brilliant Jewish lady doctor / lawyer and found that all 3 “Bibles” basically documented the same things.
The controversial C&Vs started jumping off the page for me. I was so disturbed by my findings that I resigned and let my ordained ministerial license expire.
I am an Atheist. After I was a licensed, ordained minister, I personally studied the Bible cover to cover, highlighted and learned the controversial Bible C&Vs. For me, the controversial C&V jumped off the pages. Knowing the Bible C&V is what made me an Atheist. The Bible is “The Atheist Maker”. Somehow, for me, the shocking and controversial knowledge broke the hypnosis. My conscience determined that something was wrong with the Biblical God character – fictional or not. If someone is going to worship, promote, support, believe in and finance the Biblical God, they should at least know what the Biblical God has done – as documented by Bible C&V. Hence, The God Murders website. Maybe the Holy Spirit blinds believers as to what is written. Maybe they are too frightened to read those controversial Bible C&Vs. Maybe they are too evil themselves to realize how evil and insane the Bible God is to have done all that documented murdering. Believers never take a Bible C&V murder charge and attempt to defend God. They just demonize and condemn anyone who exposes these murderous C&Vs. They just worship the Biblical God as if God murdered no one. That is evil. In a US criminal court, a supportive believer could be considered an accessory to murder. The Biblical God does not exist – but the belief in God certainly does.
I took issue with the Biblical God’s C&V rap-sheet – whether this God is fictitious or not.
They all document the same things.
The Bible is its own worst enemy. Over 40 years,I’ve put about 25,000 hours into this study, documentation and debate.
My self-study of the Bible started in 1982. I got my first computer from a therapy client in 1985 who was upgrading. Since then, I have downloaded my study and research through about 15 computers.
I think the reason that I take extreme issue with the evil Biblical God is because I realized my becoming a licensed, ordained Christian minister was wrong. It’s painful to know you’re public and private dedication was wrong. I was wrong. Since my painful awakening, my 30 year study gave me volumes of evidence as to why I was wrong. I personally needed all that Bible C&V evidence.
The Biblical God is the Judeo-Christian-Islamic “One God of Abraham”. This God was introduced to you directly by the Bible or by the interpreted beliefs of others.
If the Bible never existed, neither would this fictitious, supernatural God. The Bible is the source that describes this God to Earth’s Humanity.
“The God Murders” website displays the selected, controversial Bible C&Vs that describes this murderous, insane God. Learn about “God’s Evil Deeds”. Don’t believe me or any other man. Why not check out these Bible C&Vs by yourself, for yourself.
I found C. Dennis McKinsey in the mid 1980’s and received his awesome newsletter. He then wrote the book “The Encyclopedia of Biblical Errancy”. His two (2) excellent books rounded out my Bible education. Dennis started his internet panel in 1995 and I was allowed to be a panel-member. I started my own website about 2004 and videoed presentations of “The God Murders”.
In the early 1990’s I found Pastor Arnold Murray doing his TV Bible C&V coverage. His Bible C&V approach richly contributed to my many hours of Bible study, research and debate. Pastor Arnold Murray and C. Dennis McKinsey are my favorite Bible C&V sources. I found Pastor Murray to be misleading and wrong about many Bible C&Vs. C. Dennis McKinsey became my mentor.
What made me an Atheist was reading, studying and debating the Bible as it was written, C&V.
Then I knew what the Biblical God was documented to have done.
I am an advocate of true democracy. I promote free-thinking in a free-country. By knowing the Biblical God’s rap-sheet, I vote and decree that this insane, murderous God has NO authority over me.
I have been a retired National Guard / Reserve Army officer since 1983. If I had been on active duty when President George W. Bush publically announced to the world that “God told him to attack Iraq”, I would have willfully disobeyed Bush’s illegal orders to murder and injure over a million Iraqis. George W. Bush intentionally lied and brutally murdered Human Beings. As of yet, the United States of America has not imprisoned George W. Bush and his murderous, blood-thirsty gang.
My conclusion is: “The God of the Bible is not a good God and the Bible is not a good model for humanity.”
I personally tend put Human Beings first and treat all Humanity as equals.
I personally have no evidence that any supernatural God exists. The God of the Bible (fictional or not) I have studied and debated extensively. This God’s mood-swings and morality is disgusting so I don’t find this petty, jealous, murderous and insane Character to be worthy of fear, worship or positive attention. This Character is way too small, insecure and petty to have created the vast universe. I view that Jesus Christ never contributed anything positive or practical for Humanity like electricity, transportation, television, air conditioning, antibiotics or anything else worthwhile for mankind. Believers would have us fear that Jesus brought Hell and “Eternal-Torment” if He is not accepted. That’s too dictatorial and evil for my taste. I personally don’t believe in Jesus Christ is a savior and I do not find Jesus Christ worthy of anything worthwhile. I do wish that Christians would answer questions as honestly and thoroughly as most Atheists tend to.
I am a hedonist, a voluptuary, a sybarite, a pleasure-seeker by any other name. I sin! I have some favorite sins. I would never let poor Jesus die in vain.
Belive
I take issue with faith – especially faith in a belief.
Examples:
I take issue with and challenge the belief of Jesus Christ’s “virgin birth”.
I take issue with and challenge the belief of Jesus Christ’s human body “resurrection”.
I take issue with and challenge the belief that – after Jesus Christ’s crucifixion – dead saints came out of their graves and walked around.
I take issue with and challenge the belief that Noah’s flood-water covered the entire Earth over the height of Mount Ararat.
Perspectives: These, and many other, dogmatic – yet unproven – religious, faith-based beliefs have been around for at least 2,000 years.
There have been at least 10 billion+ Human Beings who have been intellectually exposed to these superstitious beliefs.
Are You Superstitious?
Thinkers Believers
The belief in the supernatural proves to be a lie.
The belief in miracles proves to be a lie.
If someone can duplicate producing something at will, it is not supernatural.
As a behavioral therapist for 30 years, I did not gave advice. That is not a therapist’s job. You ARE the master of your life. For example, if you were a client / patient in behavioral therapy, “YOUR therapy is your desire to change you to better suit YOU”. Not to suit someone else.
In session, the behavioral therapist asks you what your problems are and then what your options are. You must decide what option is best for you – not somebody else. It personally makes me sick seeing authoritative personalities, especially using a fear-based religion, to tell people they don’t know what to value and how to live their life.
The Bible claims, in no uncertain terms, that Jesus “loves” you only if you serve Jesus / God on His terms. If you do not, you will suffer Eternal-Torment. If you personally do not believe that, you prove not to believe the Bible. All this syrupy-sweet “love” you constantly claim is not Jesus’ message.
Did you read on this website “Did Jesus Christ Lie?” If so, you probably never commented on or correct any of the dozens of Jesus’ lies, C&Vs, did you? Those Bible C&Vs are not within your value system. Are they?
And you obviously want all who you can influence to live by your values in their lives. Don’t you? Of course, denial is automatic.
If you don’t believe in God – why bother? By Christopher Hitchens:
C. Dennis McKinsey (Deceased) wrote the “Biblical Errancy” website. In my opinion, it surpasses any on the internet in exposing, defining and capturing Biblical Errancy.
C. Dennis McKinsey
Dennis’ two (2) excellent books: “The Encyclopedia of Biblical Errancy” & “Biblical Errancy” (A Reference Guide) are on my shelf and are often referred to concerning my work.
Since the early 1990s, my mentor and friend, was C. Dennis McKinsey who has passed due to lung cancer.
See all 100 of C. Dennis McKinsey’s youtube videos:
Was Jesus Christ ready to fulfill His Destiny?Jesus is to be tortured and crucified to fulfill the Biblical God’s agenda.
Luke 22:43 To strengthen Jesus, an Angel from Heaven appeared to Him.
Now, somehow that’s cheating. Most Humans don’t report getting that strengthening courtesy just hours before their death. Maybe it’s the Greek physician in Doctor Luke talking.
Luke 22:44 Jesus was in such agony, and He prayed so fervently that His sweat became like drops of blood falling on the ground.
Matthew 26:37-39 Jesus began to feel sorrow and distress. Jesus said: My soul is sorrowful even to death. My Father, if possible, LET THIS CUP PASS FROM ME!
Jesus begged God, His Father, to save Him – 3 times.
C. Dennis McKinsey: At this point, it doesn’t sound much like Jesus is very interested in dying for His fellow man, or for the fulfillment of anything.
Jesus Christ feels forsaken on the cross:
Matthew 27:46 Jesus said: “My God, My God, why hast Thou forsaken Me?” (“Eli, Eli, lama Sabathani”)
God, the Almighty, perfect, just, fair and loving forsakes His only begotten Son, Jesus Christ.
“Eli, Eli, Lama Sabathani?”
My God, My God, Why Hast Thou Forsaken Me?
The Biblical God planned the torture and crucifixion of His Son, Jesus Christ. Jesus had begged to be saved. God denied Jesus. Will God deny you?
Before Jesus’ crucifixion:
Luke 12:4 Jesus said: Be not afraid of them that kill the body…
Isn’t this another controversial conflict? Isn’t Jesus again saying: Do as I say, not as I do? Wasn’t Jesus described to be really sweating it? Haven’t mere humans faced death braver than in this description? Conversely, if Jesus wanted what was about to happen, wasn’t His act a form of suicide? So, should suicide be ok, if only in this case, within the believers’ value systems?
If Jesus could opt out of His flesh body into His “transfigured body” at will, Jesus may not have experienced the pain His flesh body would have endured on the cross. See: “Jesus’ transfigured body”
Bill Moyers, author of his great book Genesis: “God actually put His son on the cross to bleed in agony for other people. This is a God who would save us by doing that to a human being?”
My God, My God, why hast Thou forsaken Me?
Matthew 27:46 Jesus cried out: My God, My God, why hast Thou forsaken Me?
God forsakes Jesus! Well, so much for Bible credibility and not for all the obvious reasons. As much as our hearts tug with pain due to Jesus’ suffering death, it tends to shock and anger some that Matthew 27:46 is more evidence that the Crucifixion of Jesus Christ is staged / plagiarized!
Matthew 27:46 These words: “My God, My God, why hast Thou forsaken Me?” verbalized by Jesus Christ during His painful death-throws on the cross, were verbatim to Bible C&V words written a thousand years earlier, by King David. This is exhibited, as evidence, in The King James Version of:
Psalm 22:1 King David wrote: “My God, My God, why hast Thou forsaken me?” A little m for me as it was King David, not Jesus Christ, depicted in Psalm 22:1.
It is evident that many things written in the Bible have been “borrowed / plagiarized / adopted”, after the fact, from many religions to make up the “composite character” of Jesus Christ. This is evidence of one of the greatest “adoptions”. Did Jesus, a God, during His death-struggle, quote these already written words, or were His words applied, after the fact, from Biblical Old Testament plagiarism? If this is but plagiarism, how much more of the life of Jesus Christ was but a composite plagiarism of other religious heroes?
On The God Murders website, scroll down and click on Zoroastrianism to see how Jesus Christ plagiarized Zoroastrianism to create Christianity.
Luke 23:46 Jesus cried out: “Father, into Thy hands I commend My spirit” and breathed His last.
Psalm 31:5 Into Thine hands I commend my spirit. KJV
Jesus does not prove to be a descendent of King David – but a mere composite of David’s poetry in Psalms. Did these Gospel writers make up Jesus and put words in His mouth in a guise to fulfill prophesy?
T. S. Eliot claimed that bad poets borrow but good poets steal.
C. Dennis McKinsey emailed me that it was Jesus’ Divinity that took a hit.
Matthew 27:52-53 When Jesus died by crucifixion, tombs were opened and the bodies of many dead saints raised forth from their tombs, entered the city and appeared to many.
What? Is Matthew credible? No history bearing nation: Rome, Israel, Egypt etc. nor Mark, Luke, John, Paul (nor Ringo) bothered to make such a claim. If that had really happened, would it not be worth mentioning by at least one of the other Gospel or New Testament writers? Either Matthew took extraordinary or zealous literary license, or he had a sense of humor. Maybe, he got so excited he forgot to take his medication.
Job 7:9 He that goes down to the grave comes up no more.
Oh, what to believe?
Luke 24: 41-43 (After Jesus’ resurrection) Jesus appeared to His disciples and asked them: Have you anything here to eat? They gave Him a piece of baked fish; He took it and ate it in front of them.
Matthew 28:20 The “resurrected” Jesus said: And behold, I am with you always, until the end of the age.
C. Dennis McKinsey: The end of anything is not always.
(Dictionary) Idolatry: 1. The worship of idols. (Do crosses and people on them qualify?) 2. Excess devotion or reverence for some person or thing. (Does Jesus Christ qualify?)
John 7:34 Jesus said: You will seek Me and shall not find Me; and, where I am, you cannot come.
Jesus often explained Himself and His values by speaking parables. Jesus spoke of fictitious characters to represent Himself and to describe His points. Did Jesus speak of a fictitious God in the same manner? Did Jesus, like most preachers, invent His personal God so to be better heard?
If the Biblical God has planned and pre-destined our moment of death and planned all the “evil” things we do or that are done to us; then, what is the role or purpose for any Satan or devil?
Luke 19:27 Jesus said (in a parable): “And as for those, Mine enemies, who do not want Me to be King over them, bring them before Meand slay them “.
Did Jesus Christ say: Bring Them Before Me and Slay Them?
Jesus Said: Bring Them Before Me and Slay Them? Does Jesus document, C&V, that He wants those murdered who won’t have Him to be their King so that Jesus can reign over them? What other King in the New Testament stressed his agenda to expand his Kingdom? Wasn’t it Jesus Who said these Bible C&V words – that will not conveniently go away? Do you realize that if you do not accept Jesus Christ as your savior, God will judge you and send your soul for “Eternal Torment” in Hell? Do you intellectually understand and emotionally accept the Biblical God’s agenda?
Revelation 2:18-23 “The Son of Man” (Jesus Christ) condemns a harlot / adulteress for not repenting. (Jesus Christ then said): “I will kill her children.” KJV
I personally really don’t care if this is a spiritual / fantasy or literal passage. Don’t these Bible C&Vs (Luke 19:27 and Revelation 2:23) qualify Jesus Christ (fictional or not) as a violent, tyrannical, cruel, murderous Character? Btw, Jesus would have to go through me to kill your or anybody else’s child.
Many heroes throughout history have done great things and were sent to prison for just one bad act.
Jesus was a dreamer who may have sold believers dreams and salvation nightmares. If it were not for ego-driven fear and hope, 100% of clergy and 90% of therapists would be out of a job.
Is eternal death not a happier prospect than eternal existence – if one can be tormented for eternity – or have to be a slave to a tyrannical God for eternity?
Hosea 1:2 God said to Hosea: Go take a harlot for a wife.
God actually tells His prophet, Hosea, to take a hooker, sex-worker, prostitute, whore, harlot for his wife?
What kind of model or message is God sending to your son – or to your daughter?
Luke 10:16 Jesus “equates”: To reject or despise Jesus is to reject or despise God. KJV
How many clergy have also said: To reject them was to reject God? Does religion prove to be a hierarchy of an ego’s master / slave agenda.
John 13:23-25 One of His disciples, the one whom Jesus loved, was reclining at Jesus’ side, leaned back against Jesus’ chest.
“The disciple whom Jesus loved” was John. Most clergy won’t openly discuss this character. Why? Was this disciple gay? John’s writings were pretty gay, filled with un-manly feelings that others had in common. Often, John wrote with sensitivity and feelings, far different in style and content from the other writers. I personally do not view that the John of Matthew, Mark, Luke and John was the same writer of 1st John, 2nd John, 3rd John, nor john, the writer of Revelation.
John 19:26 (On the cross): When Jesus saw His mother and the disciple (John) whom He loved, He said to His mother: Woman, behold your son. Then He said to the disciple (He loved): Behold your mother. The disciple took her into his home.
Mary Beholds Jesus Crucifixion
Trivia Questions
Who said: No one can take My sheep out of My hand?
Who said: I came not to send peace but the sword, father against son, daughter against mother?
Who said: He that has no sword, let him sell his garment and buy one?
Who will rule over the house of Jacob, forever?
Who said: Whoever loves his mother etc. more than Me is not worthy of Me?
Who said: I have come to set the Earth on fire. How I wish it were already blazing?
Who said: Children will rise up against their parents and put them to death?
Who said: Without hating his mother etc. – he cannot be My disciple?
Who said to his mother: Woman, how does your concern affect Me?
Who said: Whoever believes – serpents and drinking poison will not harm them?
Who said: Friend, who appointed Me as your judge?
Who said: Sell your belongings and give alms?
Who said: Who does not renounce all his possessions cannot be My disciple?
Who was at meal in His house?
Who said that He was sent only to the lost sheep of the house of Israel?
Who said: Tax collectors and prostitutes are entering heaven before you?
Who said: Heaven will pass away?
Who said: This generation will not pass away until all these things take place?
Who said: Let this cup pass from Me three (3) different times?
Who said: My God, My God, why hast Thou forsaken Me? Who died, tombs opened, dead bodies raised and appeared to many?
Where is “The Virgin Mary’s” husband, Joseph? Dead? Divorced? What? Nobody cares? The disciple, whom Jesus loved, could be Andrew’s brother, John, as none of Jesus’ brothers were His disciples. Jesus’ brother James did assume control over the church in Jerusalem after Jesus was crucified. Later, James and his crowd were wiped out. Behold, your mother cannot be literal. Also, a must requirement for discipleship was found in:
Luke 14:33: Everyone had to give up everything they owned to follow Jesus.
So, John could not have had a home of his own to take Jesus’ mother into.
Matthew 27:5 Judas (Iscariot, Jesus’ betrayer) went off and hanged himself.
Is this another Biblical conflict or contradiction?
Acts 1:18 Judas, falling headlong, burst open and his guts gushed out.
Jesus died for our sins: In any value system, how can justice be served by executing an innocent man for the crimes or sins of others? If we support this doctrine and its God, we support that. Would anyone volunteer his or her child for Jeffery Dahmer’s or Adolf Hitler’s crimes? Don’t Christians, Jews and Muslims support the same God Who wants vengeance and Who doesn’t care who pays the price?
A Translation Argument: One great argument between “Biblical authorities” and us poor “Biblically illiterate” is: Many of the authoritative clergy and the assumed “elect” manipulate the English Bible’s words by stating they don’t say what the original texts say. They refer back to the original Greek, Aramaic or Hebrew to establish and to assume authority over what is “God’s word” written in English.
Some “assumed to be of the elect” (preachers) argue for authority, control and power by stating: You are reading an English version, and you don’t know what the Bible really says or means. You are Biblically illiterate. I will tell you what the Bible means. Convert, conform, worship, obey, support, promote and send money! As God’s licensed and ordained representative, I will accept your money, and ah, never mind what I do with it.
If what is written in English is not what the Bible means, then they (those assumed elect) must be admitting that our English-written Bible is inaccurate, poorly written and – thus flawed.
Personally, I only speak and read English. It was the Catholic “easy English” version that I was most able to grasp and mostly take issue with. I used to struggle through the King James Version. 40 years of study and debate took care of that. Often, between Bibles, one version is more controversial or better worded than the other version is. If it’s not in understandable English, I’m not guessing about it.
Many see only the good things and ignore or avoid the controversial and negative C&Vs the Bible holds.
Declaration: If I am wrong about these Biblical C&Vs that I have selected to comment on, I am a fool. But, if I am accurate, I have learned much, and dared to share it. I am not responsible for what the Bible says. I, like you, am not responsible for how others feel about what the Bible says. I, you, and all Americans, have our Constitutional right, by law, to question and express our opinions on any and all writings.
The United States of America is not a country governed by gods or men. It is a country governed by laws.
Over 25,000 hours of debate and study went into this work. It is bound to have errors. If you find an error, please contact us. If valid, the error(s) will be corrected, and I will personally thank you so much!
In a survey concerning 100 gods, Christians were 99% Atheistic.
Hindu
Hinduism consists of a Trimurti (trinity):
Brahma: The Creator
Vishnu: The Sustainer
Shiva: The Destroyer
Christianity consists of another Trinity:
The Father
The Son
The Holy Ghost.
The Trinity
5,000 years ago Vishnu appeared in the form of a man before Devaki who conceived Krishna by Virgin Birth.
Hindus worship the God, Vishnu. Krishna “The Savior” is the eighth (8th) Avatar of the God, Vishnu.
The Higher Being takes on a mortal body, out of compassion, to help suffering humanity to attain perfection.
Krishna
Krishna was born of a Virgin.
Krishna was crucified, his arms extended on a cross.
What? Not an arrow in his foot?
Krishna descended into Hell.
Krishna arose from the dead.
Krishna ascended into Heaven.
Krishna’s 7 Classes of Miracles
1. Granting visions.
2. Visual perception over long distance.
3. The multiplication of small quantities of food.
4. Appearing in many places in less than a fleshy body.
5. The healing of the sick and a laying on of hands.
6. The raising of the dead back to life.
7. The destruction of demons and the exorcism of the possessed.
Krishna’s childhood parallels Jesus even with the current King’s early massacre of infants.
Krishna was able to perform miracles even as a child.
A snake crawled into his cradle and he killed it with his bare hands which is a parallel myth to the young Hercules.
Krishna released people from sin, drove out evil spirits, raised the dead, gave sight to the blind, hearing for the deaf, made the lame walk, healed lepers.
Krishna, The Son of God, didn’t want to start a new religion merely to cleanse an old one.
Krishna allowed an arrow to strike him in the foot and ascended to Heaven.
What? Not the cross? I’m not prejudiced. I’ll question anything that appears inconsistent. GWD
The ninth (9th) appearance of Vishnu on Earth was in the form of Gautama Buddha; Prince Siddhartha, Sakyamuni (About 560-491 BC).
Actually, the Prince abandoned his wife and family (was a dead-beat dad at least time-wise) and he bummed around for a few years, then became The Buddha and shared His enlightenment.
Both Buddha, of the Orient, and Jesus, of the Jews, divested themselves of Earthly and personal ties.
Krishna, of India, had also lived in poverty, had been devoted to the poor, was devoid of personal ties and advocated chastity.
About 500 BC, Buddha consisted of another Trinity:
Buddha – Dharma – Sangha. Buddhists formalized their doctrine at The Council of Pataliputra which took place in 241 BC, about 250 years after Buddha’s death.
Christians formalized Jesus’ doctrine at The Council of Nicea in 325 AD which took place about 300 years after Jesus’ death.
The books that made up “The Canon” (Bible) were also voted on at the time and there, Jesus was voted to be Divine.
Buddha
(Paraphrased)
Buddha: The knowledge of the truth is the supreme blessing.
Jesus is “God’s word” and God’s blessing.
Buddha: Speak no harsh words to your neighbor and he will respond in like terms.
Buddha: If they offend me, I make no reply.
Buddha: If they hit me, I would not react then either.
Jesus: If they strike you, turn the other cheek.
Buddha: If they kill me, death is no evil. Some even desire it.
Buddha: All those who believe in me will come to great joy.
Buddha: A treasure of love for one’s neighbor, no thief can steal.
Buddha was tempted by Mara, the Lord of sensory pleasures.
Jesus was tempted by Satan.
Buddha spoke in parables.
Jesus spoke in parables.
Buddha was regarded both divine and human.
Jesus is both God and man.
Buddha had 12 disciples. His first 2 disciples were brothers.
Jesus had 12 disciples. His first 2 disciples were brothers.
Buddha walked on water and had an unsure disciple walk towards him on water.
Jesus walked on water and had an unsure disciple (Peter) walk towards him on water.
Buddha was considered to be The Son of God.
Jesus was considered to be The Son of God.
Some considered Jesus to be a Buddha in the making.
Kinda makes you mad, huh?
Buddha was born of the Virgin Maya and Jesus was born of The Virgin Mary, both without carnal intercourse.
Buddha was baptized.
Jesus was baptized. Buddha died, His coffin was opened by supernatural powers and He ascended to Heaven.
Jesus’ tomb was opened and He eventually ascended to Heaven.
Buddha was to return to Earth to restore order.
Jesus was to soon have a second coming.
Rome captured a city who worshipped Sol-Invictus, a Sun God, whose birthday was on December 25th. On that date the Winter-Soltis lasts 3 days and then the primitive religious people worshipped that the Sun seemed to come back to life for the spring crop season.
Who borrowed December 25th? Who supposedly came back to life in 3 days? Jesus!
Pastor Arnold Murray insists that Jesus was conceived on December 25th. It’s as good a story as any.
Alexander the Great (356-323 BC) died at 33 years of age. He was considered to be “The Son of God”.
Alexander The Great
How can history have the exact dates of Alexander’s birth and death over 500 years earlier when, outside the Bible, history, first of all, makes no mention of Jesus nor of Jesus’ exact dates of birth and death?
Didn’t Jesus, son of God, also die at age 33? Exactly what year was Jesus born? What year did Jesus die?
The Bible claims that King Herod, a true historical character, heard that Jesus was born in Bethlehem so to become King of the Jews.
Herod killed all of Bethlehem’s male babies 2 years old and younger so that couldn’t happen.
History claims that King Herod died in 4 BC. Scholars claim that Jesus was born between 4 – 6BC.
How could Jesus Christ be born 4 – 6 years before Himself?
If Jesus was born on December 25th, why does the New Year calendar start January 1st?
Hercules was crucified on a mount. His last words were: It is finished.
Myth declares He, and his mother, ascended to Heaven.
Hercules was considered to be The Son of God.
Jesus was crucified on a mount. His last words were: It is finished.
Jesus was voted by Constantine’s clergy to be “The Son of God”.
All religions consider themselves to be THE TRUTH while declaring that all others are not.
More human beings have been slaughtered in the name of God than in any other cause.
If the concept of God is the cause, can the abandonment of God be a solution?
It’s not having a superior mind that matters so much as having the ability to use that mind.
The lowest form of thought is a mind-set belief; while, the highest form of thought is to question.
The highest flattery any literary effort could possibly receive is for people to question it.
Long before Moses, a Pharaoh, Amen-Ra, of the Egyptians, changed religion to the worshipping of one God called Horus whose adversary was Set.
Any current Pharaoh was considered to be the reincarnation of God.
Behold! Horus and Set is another comparison to Jesus and Satan. What a coincidence!
Horus baptized. He and Jesus both were called “The Lamb” and had 12 followers.
Lamaism, a form of Buddhism, has had 14 men called the Dalai Lama “God’s Lamb”.
Here are some men, all before Jesus, who, by coincidence, are claimed to be of virgin birth, to be The Son of God, who were all teaching by age 12.
A King killed all male infants trying to get each of them.
Each began his ministry at 30 and was killed on the cross at age 33, all BC (Before Christ).
Thulis of Egypt 1700
Krishna of India 1200
Crite of Caldea 1200
Atys 1170
Thammuz of Syria 1160
Prometheus 847
Hesus of the Druids 834
Indra of Tibet 725
Bali 725
Iao of Napal 622
Sakia 600
Alcesios 600
Mirthra of Persia 600
Quexalcote of Mexico 587
Wattoba 552
Quirinus of Rome 506
Didn’t a King also kill all the male babies when Moses and Jesus were born?
Although, I view all religion as myth, I feel more like I do now than I did before. GWD
Saviors Borrowed?
Has the Gospel borrowed historical accounts describing Jesus from previous Eastern scriptures which existed centuries before the Bible?
Krishna was depicted as if crucified.
The Persian remembered only the atoning sufferings on the cross of Mithras the Mediator.
Aztecs prayed for the return of their crucified savior, Quexalcoatl, and were rewarded with the murderous acts of Cortez.
Caucasians chanted praises to their slain Divine Intercessor, Prometheus, for voluntarily offering himself upon the cross for the sins of a fallen race. Yet the Christian disciple hugs to his bosom the bloody cross of the murdered Jesus, confident that only one god ever died for the sins of man.
To retain their following, Christianity is based on unchangeable dogmas which disciples must accept to the exclusion of all knowledge adverse to their own creed. Whenever they are able they actually destroy contrary evidence for fear of rivalry. Then they magnify their own religion to a unique position above all others.
Christianity
The earlier Christian saints, having determined like Paul, to know only Jesus Christ and him crucified, made stern efforts to obliterate from the page of history facts damaging to their case.
A report on the Hindu religion, made out by a deputation from the British Parliament, sent to India to examine their sacred books and monuments, was left in the hands of a Christian bishop at Calcutta, with instructions to forward it to England. On its arrival in London, it was so horribly mutilated as to be scarcely recognizable. The account of the crucifixion was gone. The inference is patent.
The disciples of the Christian faith have burnt books, blotted out passages and bowdlerized testaments which suggested the opposite of their belief. Not only that, they have demolished monuments showing crucifixions of previous atoning gods so that they are now unknown. Hence, the disbelief of Christians when other cases are mentioned.
Atheists do not believe in any religion or God. Religious beliefs are often in error but are never in doubt. Concerning mind-set belief, a high percentage of stupid is stubborn.
Kersey Graves, in a well known book written over a century ago, gives examples of sixteen crucified gods or saviors. Most are very ancient and arguable, depending upon the interpretation of pictures or sculptures since no original written sources now exist, often victims of Christians determined to preserve the memory of only one crucified god.
Kersey Graves
For the same reasons the dates of their occurrence are doubtful and because chronology before the time of Alexander the Great (330 BC) is far from certain, and the dating of icons, especially from distant or isolated cultures is uncertain.
Even mainstream studies of the ancient Near East are involved in controversy over dates, Peter James for example claiming in a well argued case that several centuries have been mistakenly inserted into near Eastern chronologies. It is certain these crucifixions occurred before the time of Christ, but their exact date cannot be fixed.
These crucifixions are not vouchsafed as actual occurrences. The objective is not to prove them real events but simply that the belief in the crucifixion of gods was prevalent long before the crucifixion of Christ.
To establish this point then six will prove it as well as sixteen. Indeed, one case is sufficient. The reader is left to decide.
After fashioning a man out of clay, Prometheus watches Athena impart reason to his creation.
Tammuz of Mesopotamia 1160 B.C.
Tammuz
Tammuz was a god of Assyria, Babylonia and Sumeria where he was known as Dumuzi.
He is commemorated in the name of the month of June, Du’uzu, the fourth month of a year which begins at the spring equinox.
The fullest history extant of this savior is probably that of Ctesias (400 BC), author of Persika.
The poet has perpetuated his memory in rhyme.
Trust, ye saints, your Lord restored, Trust ye in your risen Lord; For the pains which Tammuz endured our salvation have procured.
Tammuz was crucified as an atonement offering: Trust ye in God, for out of his loins salvation has come unto us. Julius Firmicus speaks of this God rising from the dead for the salvation of the world.
This savior, which long preceded the advent of Christ, filled the same role in sacred history.
Wittoba is represented in his story with nail-holes in his hands and the soles of his feet.
Nails, hammers and pincers are constantly seen represented on his crucifixes and are objects of adoration among his followers, just as the iron crown of Lombardy has within it a nail claimed to be of his true original cross, and is much admired and venerated for that reason.
The worship of this crucified God prevails chiefly in the Travancore and other southern states of India in the region of Madura.
Iao of Nepal 622 B.C.
Iao was crucified on a tree in Nepal. The name of this incarnate god and oriental savior occurs frequently in the Holy Bibles and sacred books of other countries. Some suppose that Iao is the root of the name of the Jewish God, Yehouah (Jehovah), often abbreviated to Yeho.
Hesus of the Celtic Druids 834 B.C.The Celtic Druids depict their god Hesus as having been crucified with a lamb on one side and an elephant on the other, and that this occurred long before the Christian era.
Hesus – Celtic Druid
The elephant, being the largest animal known, was chosen to represent the magnitude of the sins of the world, while the lamb, from its proverbial innocent nature, was chosen to represent the innocence of the victim, the god offered as a propitiatory sacrifice.
We have the Lamb of God taking away the sins of the world. The Lamb of God could therefore have been borrowed from the Druids.
This legend was found in Gaul long before Jesus Christ was known to history.
Quezalcoatl of Mexico 587 B.C.
Quezalcoatl
Historical authority of the crucifixion of this Mexican god is explicit, unequivocal and ineffaceable.
The evidence is tangible, and indelibly engraved upon metal plates.
One of these plates represents him as having been crucified on a mountain.
Another represents him as having been crucified in the heavens, as St Justin tells us Christ was.
Sometimes he is represented as having been nailed to a cross, sometimes with two thieves hanging with him, and sometimes as hanging with a cross in his hand.
Quirinius of Rome 506 B.C.
Quirinius
The crucifixion of this Roman savior is remarkable for the parallel features to that of the Judean savior, not only in the circumstances of his crucifixion, but also in much of his antecedent life.
He is represented, like Christ:
As having been conceived and brought forth by a virgin.
His life was sought by the reigning king, Amulius.
He was of royal blood, his mother being of kingly descent. He was put to death by wicked hands or crucified. At his mortal exit the whole earth is said to have been enveloped in darkness, as in the case of Christ, Krishna, and Prometheus. And finally he is resurrected, and ascends back to heaven.
Prometheus 547 B.C.
Prometheus
The crucifixion of Prometheus of Caucasus, described by Seneca, Hesiod, and other writers, states that he was nailed to an upright beam of timber, to which were affixed extended arms of wood, and that this cross was situated near the Caspian Straits. The modern story of this crucified God, which has him bound to a rock for thirty years, while vultures preyed upon his vitals, is a Christian fraud.
The poet, in portraying his propitiatory offering, says:
Lo! streaming from the fatal tree His all atoning blood, Is this the Infinite?–Yes, ’tis he, Prometheus, and a god!
Well might the sun in darkness hide, And veil his glories in, when God, the great Prometheus, died For man the creature’s sin.
It is doubtful whether there is to be found in the whole range of Greek letters deeper pathos than that of the divine woe of the beneficent demigod Prometheus, crucified on his Scythian crags for his love to mortals.
When he dies:
That the whole frame of nature became convulsed.
The earth shook, the rocks were rent, the graves were opened, and in a storm, which seemed to threaten the dissolution of the universe, the solemn scene forever closed, and Our Lord and savior Prometheus gave up the ghost.
The cause for which he suffered was his love for the human race. The whole story of Prometheus’ crucifixion, burial and resurrection was acted in pantomime in Athens five hundred years before Christ, which proves its great antiquity.
Minutius Felix, one of the most popular Christian writers of the second century addresses the people of Rome:
Your victorious trophies not only represent a simple cross, but a cross with a man on it, and this man St. Jerome calls a god.
These coincidences are more proof that the tradition of the crucifixion of gods has been very long prevalent among the heathen.
Thulis of Egypt 1700 B.C
Decrepitude – Ultima Thule
Thulis of Egypt, whence comes Ultima Thule, died the death of the cross about thirty-five hundred years ago.
Ultima Thule: This Egyptian savior appears also to have been known as Zulis.
His history is curiously illustrated in the sculptures, made seventeen hundred years BC of a small, retired chamber lying nearly over the western adytum of the temple.
Twenty-eight lotus plants near his grave indicate the number of years he lived on the earth.
After suffering a violent death, he was buried, but rose again, ascended into heaven, and there became the judge of the dead, or of souls in a future state.
He came down from heaven to benefit mankind, and that he was said to be full of grace and truth.
Indra of Tibet 725 B.C.
Indra
This Tibetan savior is shown nailed to the cross. There are five wounds, representing the nail-holes and the piercing of the side.
The antiquity of the story is beyond dispute.
Marvelous stories are told of the birth of the Divine Redeemer.
His mother was a virgin of black complexion, and hence his complexion was of the ebony hue, as in the case of Christ and some other sin-atoning saviors.
He descended from heaven on a mission of benevolence, and ascended back to the heavenly mansion after his crucifixion.
He led a life of strict celibacy, which, he taught, was essential to true holiness.
He inculcated great tenderness toward all living beings.
He could walk upon the water or upon the air; he could foretell future events with great accuracy.
He practiced the most devout contemplation, severe discipline of the body and mind, and completely subdued his passions.
He was worshiped as a god who had existed as a spirit from all eternity, and his followers were called Heavenly Teachers.
Alcestos of Euripides 600 B.C
Hercules Wrestling With Death For The Body Of Alcestis
A less usual crucified God was Alcestos, who was female, the only example of a feminine God atoning for the sins of the world upon the cross.
The doctrine of the trinity and atoning offering for sin was inculcated as a part of her religion.
Attis of Phrygia 1170 B.C.
Attis
Speaking of this crucified Messiah, the Anacalypsis informs us that several histories are given of him, but all concur in representing him as having been an atoning offering for sin.
And the Latin phrase suspensus lingo, found in his history, indicates the manner of his death.
He was suspended on a tree, crucified, buried and rose again.
Crite of Chaldaea 1200 B.C.
Crite Of Chaldaea
The Chaldeans have noted in their sacred books the crucifixion of a god with the above name.
He was also known as the Redeemer, and was styled the Ever Blessed Son of God, the saviour of the Race, the Atoning Offering for an Angry God.
When he was offered up, both heaven and earth were shaken to their foundations.
Bali of Orissa 725 B.C.
Bali
In Orissa, in Asia, they have the story of a crucified God, known by several names, including the above, all of which, we are told, signify Lord Second, his being the second person or second member of the trinity.
Most of the crucified gods occupied that position in a trinity of gods, the Son, in all cases, being the atoning offering.
This God Bali was also called Baliu, and sometimes Bel. Monuments of this crucified God, bearing great age, may be found amid the ruins of the magnificent city of Mahabalipore, partially buried amongst the figures of the temple.
Mithras of Persia 600 B.C.
Mithras
This Persian God was slain upon the cross to make atonement for mankind, and to take away the sins of the world.
He was born on the twenty-fifth day of December, and crucified on a tree.
Christian writers both speak of his being slain, and yet both omit to speak of the manner in which he was put to death.
And the same policy has been pursued with respect to other crucified gods of the pagans, as we have shown.
Devatat of Siam, Ixion of Rome, Apollonius of Tyana
Ixion, 400 B.C.
Ixion
He bore the burden of the world, the sins of the world, on his back while suspended on the cross.
He was therefore called the crucified spirit of the world.
It is curious that Christian writers will recount a long list of miracles and remarkable incidents in the life of Apollonius of Tyana, the Cappadocian saviour, forming a parallel to those of the Christian saviour, yet say not a word about his crucifixion.
Christian writers find it necessary to omit the crucifixion of these saviors fearing the telling would lessen the spiritual force of the crucifixion of Christ, which has to be unique.
They thus exalted the tradition of the crucifixion into the most important dogma of the Christian faith.
Hence, their efforts to conceal from the public the fact that it is of pagan origin.
Mackey’s Lexicon of Freemasonry says that Freemasons secretly taught the doctrine of the crucifixion, atonement and resurrection preceded the Christian era, and that similar doctrines were taught in all the ancient mysteries.
There were no New Testaments written until the fourth century. It was British-born Flavius Constantinus (Constantine, originally Custennyn or Custennin) (272-337) who authorized the compilation of the writings now called the New Testament. The Catholic Encyclopedia supports the thesis that the Gospels of Christianity were written no earlier than the 4th Century.
Christianity is a copycat religion created by Emperor Constantine for political purposes. Constantine murdered his wife and his son. Later, the Church made him a Saint.
We have no source of information with respect to the life of Jesus Christ other than ecclesiastic writings assembled during the fourth century. There is an explanation for those hundreds of years of silence. The construct of Christianity did not begin until after the first quarter of the fourth century. That is why Pope Leo X (d. 1521) called Christ a “fable” (Cardinal Bembo letters). Later Pope Paul III expressed similar sentiments, saying that there was no valid document to demonstrate the existence of Christ. He confessed that Jesus never existed.
Eusebius (Bishop of Caesarea in Palestine “Father of Church History“) attended the Council of Nicaea in 325 A.D. and was a friend of Emperor Constantine, who also attended and made the keynote speech. Constantine instructed Eusebius to organize the compilation of a uniform collection of new writings developed from primary aspects of the religious texts submitted at the council. Eusebius has been described as a dishonest historian of antiquity, a political theologian. A number of martyrs impugned his honesty. At first, there was controversy about the new religion at the Council of Nicaea. Some claimed it was a fiction and Christ was a fiction, but they did not prevail.
Christianity is unlike any other religion. It stands or falls by certain events which are alleged to have occurred during a short period of time some 20 centuries ago (like Jesus Christ’s virgin birth and resurrection?) Those stories are presented in the New Testament. As new evidence is revealed (and challenged), those stories do not represent historical realities.
Samuel Butler: I say don’t trust Eusebius’s reports of the Apostles or how the Apostles died. Be suspicious of all of his writings.
Eusebius arranged for scribes to produce fifty copies written on parchment.
Bishop Eusebius sent Constantine magnificently bound volumes. They were the New Testimonies of the New Testament put in the historical record. Constantine then decreed that the New Testimonies would be called the word of the Roman Savior God and official to all sermonizing in the Roman Empire. He then ordered earlier manuscripts and the records of the council burnt. He declared that any man found concealing writings should be beheaded.
This New Testament was the official book of the new unified religion of Constantine – not the Bible!
All other books were to be burned including the Torah and The Old Testament.
It included burning The Great Library of Alexandria in Egypt in 391 A.D.
In 391 A.D., Christian Emperor Theodosius I ordered the destruction of all pagan / heathen temples.
Frederic Farrar (1831-1903) of Trinity College, Cambridge: It is not possible to find in any legitimate religious or historical writings compiled between the 1st and 4th century in reference to Jesus Christ and the spectacular events that the Church says accompanied his life. There is no statement in all history that says anyone saw Jesus or talked with him. Nothing in history is more astonishing than the silence of contemporary writers about events relayed in the four Gospels.
Dr. Constantin von Tischendorf: We must frankly admit that we have no source of information with respect to the life of Jesus Christ other than ecclesiastic writings assembled during the fourth century.
The construct of Christianity did not begin until after the first quarter of the fourth century.
Pope Leo X (d. 1521) called Christ a “fable”. (Cardinal Bembo letters)
Pope Paul III expressed: There was no valid document to demonstrate the existence of Christ. (He confessed that Jesus never existed.)
Claims that Josephus and Pliny the Younger (c. 61 – c. 112) were forgeries and never mentions “Jesus”.
Pliny the Younger, the provincial governor of Pontus and Bithynia, wrote to Emperor Trajan c. 112 concerning how to deal with Christians who refused to worship the emperor and instead worshiped “Christus”.
“Only the most robust credulity could reckon this assertion as admissible evidence for the historicity of Jesus” – http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Historicity_of_Jesus
Christianity was invented around 325 A.D. The research thread leads back to Eusebius, the FORGER:
Eusebius was the dishonest Church Father historian of antiquity who made up a lot of Church history: “We shall introduce into this history in general only those events which may be useful first to ourselves and afterwards to posterity”.
“Early Christian” (Gnostic?) writings disagreed with each other. They were riddled with conflict and forgeries of questionable and confusing timing and origin. They had conflicting opinions about supposed truths. They were not coherent enough for an organized religion so the myth of Mithra, the Persian Savior God, was chosen by Emperor Constantine and Bishop Eusebius as the model to create the new religion, Christianity. If there are references to Christ or Jesus in pre-Nicene writings that does not mean Jesus Christ existed.
Retired Episcopal Bishop says Hell is an invention of the church to control people with fear.
These on-topic selections also came from the internet.
I loved listening to you on Reggie the other day. You made me laugh….it was so entertaining… What a job you had, getting all those verses etc. from the Bible…. I thought of doing this myself once, but then wondered what for…many Christians are so set in their thinking “inside the box”.. And they don’t want to come out. They simply don’t want to, it’s too scary.
Reggie asked you a few times, “why are you doing this?”
Well, lets hope that it will reach a lot of people and that it will make them think just what it is they do believe….
What annoys me is, that God / Jesus performed all these so called miracles, and today, when you ask God to “show up” something at least… it’s all quiet…There is no God, so don’t hold your breath!
Your views on Prayer being Obedience, you are so right on that one too. I have just started reading your web site and will be coming back for more as my time allows.
Your views on President Bush was also right up to my way of thinking. American’s need to wake up!
Anyway, like I said, I will keep reading your web page… and thank you for doing “all the hard work”… that I once thought of doing, just for my own pleasure.
Thank you so much for your kind commentary on the http://infidelguy.libsyn.Com/ radio show. I’m sharing your specific comments with our panels.
I also recommend C. Dennis Mckinsey’s Biblical Errancy website http://members.AOL.Com/ckbloomfld/ as he is the best at what he does. He also has 2 of the best books could possibly fit your personal library.
Please stay in touch and participate with us as you investigate.
From C. Dennis McKinsey: Subject: Re: I think what you are doing is great.
Loved your performance on Reg’s show. You really have done your homework on the shortcomings of the biblical god. Your background in the media really helped and I definitely want to thank you for the tremendous compliments you gave to me, my program, and the panel.
Please keep up your fine work and the best to you,
Dennis
Coming from C. Dennis McKinsey, who is the best – that was awesome!
Regards, Gary
From: simmon@
Date: 2/16/2007 6:31:19 AM
To: Gary DeVaney
Subject: Re: AN EYE TO SEE.
This is Mrs Simon, I am sorry that you have such a deep hatred for God.
Gary: Hi Mrs. Simon. This is Gary DeVaney. I am on a panel of critical thinkers who take issue with Bible C&Vs. I respect your views so much that I shared with the panel your valued e-mail to me. You were specific in your views. I hope you will also value mine with respect. My views of the Biblical God character – real or fictitious – is based on what the Bible says C&V about Him.
My thegodmurders.com website primarily focuses on your Bible’s C&Vs as to what those C&Vs say about your Biblical God.
Mrs. Simon: Obviously you have gone through some pretty devastating things in your life or know someone who has.
Gary: No. By most, who have known me, I’m a pretty happy individual. I treat others with respect and as the masters of their lives. My “22 Acres” link describes my views. Typically, Christians believers avoid C&V issues and focus an attack on freethinkers to stop us from doing what we do.
When that happens, sometimes I do tend to “lock heels” as I do stand up to assumed authoritative abuse.
Mrs. Simon: And I suppose without God’s comfort and strength, because of your rejection of Him, it would be hard to understand why terrible things happen. I have been through some pretty trying situations myself.
Gary: Thanks for your concern but I love my full and progressive life. I view that some who suffer see others as they view themselves.
Mrs. Simon: But, I can truly say, that I felt God’s hand holding mine helping me through evry time. I guess you would imagine a world where everything is perfect, everyone is perfect, every day is the same, blah, blah, blah, blah…..What a boring world it would be, what a boring life it would be and besides it was our sin that put us into the mess.
Gary: Mrs. Simon, the Biblical God IS the most upset, miserable, angry, jealous and murderous character who is depicted, C&V, in the entire Bible. Can you name just one other character that Bible C&V states to be more upset miserable, jealous, angry or murderous than its God? Take a calm breath and try to answer this question.
Mrs. Simon: This time on earth, you see, is just temporary.
Gary: I agree. Once this time expires, we expire into non-existence. Other than religious feel-good or consequential myth, there is no evidence to the contrary.
Mrs. Simon: If you have a relationship with God and Christ, you have something to look forward to, a hope.
Gary: I don’t think your God would let you do anything in Heaven that He wouldn’t let you do on Earth. I’ve had a blast and never spent one night in jail. In fact, if you reflect on your own personal habits, feelings and thoughts, I’ll bet you could eliminate some things that you like to do now being allowed in what you perceive to be your God’s Heaven.
Mrs. Simon: I have a great sorrow in my heart for those like you who do not have that hope.
Gary: I tend to time-date my hopes which turn them into goals and most of my meaningful hopes are happily fulfilled. That formula is very satisfying – for me. You know, Mrs. Simon, if it weren’t for “HOPE”, 90% of therapists and 100% of clergy would be out of business. But, as you know, my thegodmurders.com website, is not about me. I am not the topic. When Christian believers don’t like the issues – they tend to make those who take issue the topic.
Mrs. Simon: I suppose you think that after you die that’s it, it’s over, there’s nothing more. You are so wrong, if that is what you believe, and as the bible states; Romans 14:11 “For it is written, As I live saith the Lord, every knee shall bow to me (including you), and every tongue shall confess to God.” 14:12 “So then every one of us (including you) shall give account of himself to God.
Gary: Outside of Biblical dogma and the myths of some other competitive religions, there is no evidence of any afterlife. The Bible says there is War in Heaven” and that “Heaven Shalt Pass Away”. What is a rational, realist to commit to?
Mrs. Simon: I pray that some day you will see God’s true plan for your life and feel that peace that passes ALL understanding. It’s not too late. But your not promised tomorrow or even the next hour. Please don’t go to your grave rejecting the only one who can truly save you and your eternal soul. I ask, however, that as long as you are still a God hater, that you no longer email my husband or myself.
Gary: I don’t hate. I especially can’t hate something that does not exist. I take issue with what the Bible says about its God. The way the Biblical God treated humanity, C&V, I couldn’t feel good being around such a character. I view that believer’s prayers are an attempt to tell God how to do His business. If I did believe in a self-admitted angry, jealous and vengeful God, I don’t think that I would attempt to do that.
Mrs. Simon: Keep your false beliefs to yourself.
Gary: You obviously don’t support freedom of speech. You, as most Christians and Muslims, usually attempt to stop me from doing what I am doing. Rightfully, the US Senate and Congress are doing that very thing to President George W. Bush right now – because he has been wrong in his leading of the United States of America. The American people have waken up to this insane, murderous and tyrannical President. Someday, humanity will wake up and change their minds about the insane, murderous and tyrannical Biblical God. My quest and the quest of most of our panel is to inform and emphasize the Bible C&Vs that will wake believers up.
Mrs. Simon: It will have no effect anyway, so you are just wasting your time and effort.
Gary: That’s what the President-supporting Senators and Congressmen said before they were defeated by their peers, who accurately supported the voice of the majority of the American people. It turned out not to be a waste of time. The quest to expose the Biblical God for what the Bible C&Vs say He is will not be a waste of time either.
Mrs. Simon: And God doesn’t like you messing with His children. We will remain in prayer for you that your eyes will open to the truth.
Gary: You and I probably won’t live to see humanity wake up. A second “Age Of Enlightenment” is over due. The Senate and Congress is now experiencing awakening and change due to the awakened conscience of the American people. They no longer believe the President’s lies and deception and his tyrannical imperialistic agenda. If you are in mind-set support of President George W. Bush – I am obviously angering you further. Thank the Constitution that I swore to defend against all enemies foreign and domestic, for my freedom of speech. As a retired Army Officer I view the Bill Of Rights to be of extreme quality also. I have no “beliefs” – false or otherwise. My views are based on the C&Vs listed in your Bible. I did not write the Bible – did I? I am not responsible for what the Bible says – am I? I’m not responsible for how believers feel about what the Bible says. Most believers do not know the C&Vs that this panel and I point out in their Bible. If they continue to worship this God after knowing what the Biblical God is documented to have done, the panel and I have done our work. Christianity and Islam are at war with the wills of everyone – even themselves. I don’t serve that cause and my will has not been blackmailed into serving the Christian’s God or Islam’s Allah. Both labels are the same God of Abraham. If you disapprove of or have any specific issues on my website, please debate them with me. If you find an error, notify me and if validated, I promise to correct it.
I am not reading your emails any longer, I am just deleting them immediately. Can’t shake my faith, no matter how hard you try. So you are wasting your time sending them. I hear enough trash from other heathens in the world around me, don’t need it from you. To God be the Glory always AMEN!! Mrs. Simon
Goodbye Mrs. Simon.
Regards, Gary DeVaney
George W. Blye said: What perplexes me is clergy lie to themselves when they say they believe in God. They know its not true and they say it over and over. And what perplexes me further is the clergy who truly believe there is a God and worship the insane God of the Bible. They know what the Biblical God did. How could they worship such and insane character? How can they promote other people to do the same? They can’t have a sense of right and wrong. It’s like promoting Hitler, Stalin or Pol Pot. Have they no shame? Shame on them! It’s all insanity.
Some believers’ write-in responses
By Gary DeVaney
1. God is not on trial here, you are.
Gary: Some defenses are often an idiot offense.
2. You can’t try someone who cannot be punished.
G: Why? God doesn’t exist?
3. This is not evidence.
G: What is it then?
4. Whatever you consider to be evidence is planted.
G: But it won’t go away.
5. You can’t expose this for the sake of National Security.
G: Whose National security?
6. Oh! Think of the children!!!
G: Ok. Should they also live the lie?
7. You can’t get away with these misrepresentations.
G: What misrepresentations?
8. Anyone who questions God will be tried for blasphemy and will go to Hell.
G: Oh-oh! How original.
9. God is good regardless of all these “trumped up” charges.
G: Heart-felt or fear-felt claim?
10. Even if there is guilt, nobody will have the courage to banish or dismiss God.
G: Really?
11. You had best be God-fearing.
G: For what purpose would you have me fear anything?
12. God had His reasons to do what He did. Don’t you dare question God.
G: Duh – ok.
13. This is all circumstantial evidence and hear-say, at best.
14. No matter what God did, He’s our God and He deserves our support.
15. God has to kill by accident and sickness or we would be overpopulated.
G: Why do we doctors morally and legally exist, then?
16. Jesus changed all of Gods old ways.
G: Did Jesus die for God’s sins against us humans?
17. Duh, this is all more than I wanted to know.
G: 18. This conversation is over. All subordinates of mine, don’t listen to any of this.
19. Ya don’t know nothin’. Ya gotta read Bambi and Godzilla to get the true picture.
20. You are going to Hell! I’m a Christian. I can’t be around you.
G: Lightweight.
Believers are masters at delays, denials and cover-ups concerning God’s crimes.
II Kings 19:35 documents that God’s angel murdered 185,000 Assyrians.
Check out the tactics of those who believe in Presidents when discussing their crimes.
Their tact of denial, suppression and threats are identical to those who defend God.
Some say that these believers’ defenses are weak but my computer will hold only so many.
A believer often qualifies as a sociopath who blames everyone and everything but God for God’s heinous murdering. Murderers and Kings often blame their victims for their actions.
Believer: You may know God with your head, but, you don’t know God with your heart.
Antisthenes (Greek philosopher 444-366 BC) believed virtue could be taught.
If you feel the same now about this God as you did before, that this God is good, then you prove Antisthenes to be in error. What is God teaching here? If one searches, ponders and non-commits: “Duh, I don’t know”; then, God wasn’t a very good teacher.
Maybe, one is not that slow. Maybe one just has no courage.
It is your conscious that tells you if an act or deed is moral or not. What does your own conscious tell you about the Biblical God’s deeds as depicted in The Old Testament? On one hand we have logic and reason and on the other we have things we cannot explain.
Human egos try to assume authority over unexplainable things by gambling on beliefs. Then they try to present their beliefs as facts. Believers assume power and authority over those who buy into and gamble on their disproved and often ridiculous fantasies. It is what a believer doesn’t know that make him or her up to be who he or she is – a believer. Faith is always a great motivation for a gamble. In passing, ask any believer if these are the characteristics of the God in their heart. In an attempt to be “politically correct”, they would probably get caught denying any such God.
Henry Menchen: “Faith may be defined briefly as an illogical belief in the occurrence of the improbable. A man full of faith is simply one who has lost, or never had, the capacity for clear and realistic thought. He is not a mere ass – he is actually ill.
I heard your talk on the infidel guy and went to your site. I just actually listened to the podcast yesterday as I have only recently discovered the infidel guy and such.
Many people seem to define the bible as more than a book, even if they are atheist or of another religion, but the bible is just a book. So, it was quite refreshing to hear you make your arguments from a literary point of view.
I will be hanging around, I am hoping to establish myself as an artist in the free thinking community. I am not quite sure how to go about that but something will come to mind.
Peace,
Carrie
Hi Carrie R. Thank you for your kind comments.
Did you hear the http://infidelguy.libsyn.Com/ radio show or did you happen across thegodmurders.com website? We tend to assist courageous thinkers who stand up so I hope you hang with us for a while.
Regards, Gary DeVaney
Subject: Your podcast with Infidel Guy
Herb here.
Gary, I just listened to your discussion on the infidel podcast. You were brilliant and far outshined the CD presentation on The God Murders.
What you presented, was in line with the comments I tried to give you after receiving The God Murders CD so many years ago. I hope to hear many future presentations because you and your host made me feel like I was in the room with you. Please expand yourself like this and you will have great followings.
Thanks so much for your website, it should be essential reading for all bible classes, we might end up with a few more “freed” enlightened ex-christians!! lol
Good day! I just recently heard your interview on the Infidel Guy’s show, and was greatly intrigued by the concept. The whole matter of murder being right in the name of god has been one of the main reasons I lost faith in the christian church, and finally I’ve learned that no matter how violent or docile an imaginary being might be, it’s still imaginary. So I was hoping you could instruct me on how to acquire your DVD / CD / manuscript package. Would it help if I sent a self-addressed stamped envelope your way? Give me the info, and I shall comply, no worries.
I hope Reggie will have you back on at some point . . . perhaps getting Robert Price to consult on the case you’re building. Just an idea, anyway.
Keep up the good work, in contrast to “good works”, donchaknow.
Mike Lee
Hi Gary,
Allow me to add my voice to all of those on the panel thanking you for making this podcast available to us. I enjoyed listening to all the participants, and especially you.
Last night I heard your interview. Absolutely great. Save a copy. I am thinking of using it down the line in the future projects.
GB.
Debate With Richard
(From India)
India
Richard: Dear Gary, To fear God is wisdom. Fear is an attitude of anxiety or unrest.
G: Hi Richard. Correct! Do you know how many billions of therapy and clerical hours of counselling has taken place due to the propaganda you just expressed? Hello! Anxiety and unrest cause pain and miserable lives. Myrtyrism and sacrifice is a rotten standard in the Judeo-Christian-Islam religions.
Leviticus 26:27-31 God stated: If you persist in disobeying and defying Me, I will punish you until you begin to eat the flesh of your own sons and daughters.
R: Some fear protects us from harm…
G: Education teaches us what to fear and what not to fear in reality. Psychological / voo-doo fear in designed for fear-based authority to psychologically control its peasants. I am a free man. Outside of realistic, enforceable criminal and civil law, there is no “supernatural” authority over me. Many try to assume authority over me – but they do not have it. Do you assume that your ego or your God has any authority over Atheists, Richard? About 14% of human beings on Planet Earth are practicing, self-proclaimed Atheists. Another 30% are quiet Atheists. Another 30 % are moving toward Atheism. Christian Churches are folding – especially in Europe. The USA supports the Biblical God as its flag as it tries to take over the World. Islam – in defense – does the same thing – with the exact same God – whom they call Allah.
R: but fear’s only proper spiritual use according to the Bible, is to open us to a deepening faith in God.
G: Which only provides the victim / believer a deeper fear – as there is, in reality, no God to fear. The Biblical God is as fictitious as the ancient gods Zeus, Apollo, Isis, Hermes, Poseidon, Mercury, Thor, Odin et al.
R: Amazingly fear of God enables us to cope with anxities.
G: Oh contraire, Sir Richard! In theraputical practice, evidence indicates that fear of God causes anxiety – not peace – in most Human Animals. Even you admitted above that to fear God causes anxiety. Peace is good. Anxiety is bad. You just can not have it both ways.
R: Along with our love for God we need to mainrtain respect and awe of God.
Hosea 13:16 (KJV) or Hosea 14:1 (Catholic): Samaria, who rebelled against God, will fall by the sword. The little ones shall be dashed to pieces, expectant mothers shall be ripped open.
G: Why Richard? God is documented to be an insane murderer by Bible C&V. God turned on his own Jews numerous times and God arranged for more of His land-stealing Jews to be killed then were killed by any other agenda.
Judges 10:7 The anger of God was hot against Israel and God sold them out.
Numbers 21:5-6 The people spoke out against God and Moses. God sent poisonous snakes against his people. They were bitten and they died.
G: These are the real reasons that you fear the Biblical God, Richard. No one can truly love a character like that unless they are as insane and murderous as the Biblical God was documented to be. Your ego, Richard, is probably a much better character than the Biblical God was documented to be. You are also stuck with your ego so you tend to defend it like you would God. Don’t confuse your ego with the Biblical God as your ego proves to be a much better character.
God said to His Jews: You go down there and kill every man, woman and child or I will do to you what I thought to do to them.
Numbers 33:55-56 God said: If you do not drive out the inhabitants of the land, I will do to you what I thought to do to them.
R: The functional atheists live and behave as if God did not exist.
G: Absolutely, Richard. Especially the Biblical God! The Biblical God, fictitious or not, is no model for Atheists.
R: Ultimately their character is determined not simply by dispensing with beleif in God, but more specifically by dispensing with the concepts and precepts of morality and justice, which presuppose existence of God.
G: What morality do you find – in the Bible C&Vs – that I included on this post?
R: And it is the absence of morality which makes functional atheist dangerous.
G: What Atheist has ever harmed you, Richard? We do not obey you. That does you no harm – does it?
Copywrite 1980 – the first of two books by Gary DeVaney.
I recently read an excellent book – “The God Virus” by Dr. Darrel Ray. It inspired me to put “Thoughts of a Social Layman” that I wrote over 30 years ago on my website.
In my view, this book – which I re-read every few years – has contributed to why I have been a happy “Human Animal” for the past 30 years. I transcribed the book.
I added some perspectives to the book that I have gained as a Hypnotherapist for over 30 years.
I encourage all Human Beings to write their own experiences, thoughts and feelings. I view that you’re getting to know yourself enriches your confidence and your happiness.
Author’s additional “bold-print” comments are included.
Inside the book cover:
Comments on the pre-book manuscript:
“Thoughts of a Social Layman leaves off where self-help books attempt to begin.”
“It is an encyclopedia of social-emotional terms.”
“It is mind-provoking in that it does make you think.”
“It is the punch line – you provide the joke.”
“It is original.”
“Once you get past the (disconnected) style, it is dynamite.”
“It is refreshing because there are no examples, case histories, or third parties.”
“It made me fall in love with me.”
“Thoughts of a Social Layman made me philosophical.”
“I would have given an eyetooth to have written it.”
“Everybody can identify with it.”
“College students, trying to expand their mind, will love it.”
“I would buy a dozen copies for my friends who need it.”
“I wish my wife would read it.”
“No Ostriches will read this book.”
(Cover inspiration for the second book: “Emotional Surgery”.)
“There are a couple dozen posters in this book.”
(There are 10 posters from this book.)
“Every passage means something.”
“I may not agree, but it sure makes me think.”
“Exposing these truths may get you killed.”
“I may not agree with a lot of it, but when I went back, it made more sense each time.”
“You cannot read it once.”
“It is a reference.”
“A lot of it was true – and it bothered me.”
“You will go back to it repeatedly as things happen – or to re-evaluate something.”
“Moralists will come down on it.”
“The book spanks people.”
“You hate women.”
“You are cynical and antisocial.”
“It encourages / allows you to make your own decisions.”
Cover design by Gary DeVaney.
“Thoughts of a Social Layman” (36 X 24) was painted in 1980 by American artist, Thomas Kinkade.
Open mind: Having the ability to experience an alien thought without emotionally throwing up.
Cultural standards, over a period-of-time, become traditions. War is a tradition and it is one that will not be changed. War, like survival, is in everybody’s own mind. Traditions and standards are keys to the funny farm. The funny farm is filled with good people whose ideal traditions and standards did not live up to reality. People who work at being their own moral-guilt guardian seem to be the happiest in life. Allowing someone else to sentence your moral guilt is about as intelligent as worshipping Bambi. Guilt can only strike you down in your own mind.
The God Complex: The socially obnoxious person may, in essence, communicate to you: “As the Heavens are above the Earth, so are my ways above your ways. I am wonderful, smart, great, fantastic and powerful.”
Acknowledge his complex. He is great! He is big! He is full of shit.
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The purely “platonic relationship” is one absent of giving or receiving emotion. It is about as exciting as watching paint dry. Manikins can watch it forever. Edited
One cannot defeat truth – only camouflage it.
Note: “Thoughts of a Social Layman” was written in Los Angeles, California during the late 1970s and was published in 1980. When bold print appears, a comment was added after the year 2010, 30 years later to the present time, by the author, Gary DeVaney.
Allow people their political, social, and religious views. Their peculiarities and judged abnormalities are peculiar and abnormal only to you. If you have no opinion, you will feel no pain.
Many men get married just so they will not feel weird.
A lonely person has shut out people from his or her life. He or she forgets that the good emotions that he or she gets to keep are the good ones that he or she gives away. Be a friend to have friends.
Many people remain fat so they will not have to outwardly compete in the social world.
The book pages are in accordance to the original book.
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Social animals make things happen, watch things happen and wonder what happened. Claim it all good and be happy.
It is normal for people to seek a fuller, richer social life. It is abnormal not to. If they do not, it is usually because of some stone-age hang-ups sold to us as sin.
Ignorance is the source of sin, not man-made laws, creeds, or dogma. The only real sin is ignorance. Apply that to the 10 or 120 sins depending on what part of town or whose house you happen to be in. Those sins can be traced to emotional jealousy, possessive, and the laws of man.
Some women get married just so they do not feel like whores.
A social layman has to work at being happy in society. In any work, proper tools and safety are primary considerations.
A good personality is in a person as oil is in the ground. You have to discover it and then work with the proper tools to get it out.
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The social diamonds are out there. All you have to do is dig out your share. But, first of all, make sure make the decision to enjoy society’s riches now.
In the social arena, one must want to be happy, healthy, and successful. Because the only sin is ignorance, the consequence is suffering.
All hang-ups come from misinterpreting life. Knowledge yields proper interpretation, which yields objective, positive principles instead of emotional, negative hang-ups.
A social loser sees society as wicked, immoral, weak, shallow, worthless, and irrational. He feels somewhat entitled – that the world was made for him.
To get back into the flow of society is to forget these ignorant thoughts and proclaim it good. How can a person enjoy basking is shit instead of flowers? Condemn society and you push it away. Respect society and you are a celebrity. Society wants you, so why be lonely? If you contribute to the social success of others, your success is guaranteed. If you condemn their success, you condemn your own. Edited
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Social worry is an accumulation of negative conditions. It is anxious, strangled fear. Social worry robs you of vitality, enthusiasm, and energy. It leaves you an emotional wreck. It is caused by apathy, laziness and indifference. The key is obtaining the ability to not think these thoughts. You can replace them with unselfishness, understanding, and most of all, acceptance.
Happiness is having the capacity to accept people, places, and things the way they are. Happiness is not a gift. You will have to work with your own personal social tools to achieve your own personal happiness.
Personal thoughts pull no punches.
It’s your life. When you give of your life, it’s your business. When people take from your life, your life becomes their business.
This is one of 10 full-size posters made at the time of publishing in 1980.
The Abstract Lover: They are shy – afraid to be seen naked – eyes tightly shut – outer head turned away – inner head is separated and removed from what is happening. They completely fake awareness of the other party and show less enthusiasm than they would were they masturbating.
Preconditioned foreplay is necessary. Orgasm is premature or absent. Vacating the premises or crying can be an aftermath. They had no thought or interest in the other party – only a means to an end of (physical or emotional) need. Edited
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The causes of becoming an abstract lover are many. One can be fantasizing an ideal rather than the real and practical experience. It makes the partner feel that he or she is the object of a general experience, with routine overtones, rather than a special, shared experience. The mind is the primary sex organ. The abstract lover’s hang-ups produce restricted talents in having sex. The sensuous partner may never return for a repeat performance because he or she did not feel to be the quality lover the abstract lover emotionally demanded.
Don’t be surprised if a person who is completely into himself while dancing is also completely into himself while having sex. Both ways the partner may feel to be a manikin object. He is just dancing or having sex with himself through you.
Laziness: Fear of making a mistake.
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Many people are fat because they cannot stand rejection. When I am fat and rejected, in my mind, it’s not really me they are rejecting, it’s my fat. If I were slim and beautiful, as I could be, and I were rejected, I would feel that it was really me they rejected. I could not handle being socially rejected without my fat. It is emotionally more convenient and I feel safer being fat. This is an outcome of ignorance, fear, insecurity and limitation of mind. It may take a trauma to get a person’s self-image out of this condition.
“Falling in love” is a traumatic experience. Personally, I became “love-insane” 4-5 times during my life. Insane? Yes. You often do not know – nor care about – right from wrong when you are passionately “in love”.
The genetic feeling of love, for you, may become a very powerful addiction. However, you are notaddicted to the love-object. You are addicted to your own genetic feeling. Romantics tend to hate that perspective. The love-object does trigger your genetic love-model which, in turn, triggers your genetic feeling.
In my years as a therapist, I learned that clients came to therapy feeling miserable that they were notgetting what they wanted or expected out of life. They felt entitled and angry.
About 30 years ago, this taught me to avoid and eliminate what I did not want in my life. If you are successful at eliminating what you do not want in life, the rest in life is pretty damned good. By my learning this not taught and unusual lesson, I view that it contributed to my being a happy “Human Animal” for the past 30 years.
Genetically, the “Human Animal” is about 98.3% identical to the Chimpanzee. That means that our “Human Animal” genes are only about 1.7% different than a Chimpanzee’s genes.
The “religious” tend to hate that scientific fact.
Fat: Outward trait of inward self-pity. Self-persecution brought on by the stupid, imaginary sins of being alive, and possibly safeguarding themselves from future sin due to lack of being desired.
Shy: Fear of rejection.
Flaky (fickle): Inconsistent emotions. Edited
The Two Emotion Theory
by
Gary DeVaney
A “theory” is just another definite, guaranteed maybe.
The “Human Animal” has only TWO EMOTIONS (2) which are: DO WANTS / DON’T WANTS and their INTENSITIES.
We all have numerous, observable, dictionary-defined feelings. Aware individuals have learned to observe and to judge the emotion intensity concerning an identifiable feeling and related feelings.
Specifically: “Emotion” is the do want / don’t want intensity of an identifiable feeling.
You may also identify a group of feelings – and their intensities.
“Attitude”: The outer sign of inner feelings.
The only “poetry” I, Gary DeVaney ever cared to write:
“Emotions are the music of the genes.
Feelings are the identifiable notes.
Attitude makes up the composition.
Behavior presents the performance.”
Only after science proves a theory to be wrong should the theory be disregarded – but still keep the question.
People do not listen to answers because – they do not have the questions.
A specific answer means nothing to you unless you have the proper question.
Even if you have a correct answer, in time, always keep questioning how your answer is correct and more importantly, question how your answer could be incorrect.
In my evaluation, I have reduced the “beliefs” of others to be mere idealism. Ergo, I believe nothing. I perceive and consider their mind-set believes to be ego-attached possibilities.But I admit that I am addicted to reality.
Every separate belief one has is a separate state of hypnosis.
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Macho-fat: If I am fat, I feel that I am big and tough. Nobody will pick on me. If I were slim, I would be afraid.
Nervousness is self-consciousness – not sure of self.
People who like you want the best for you. People who love you want the best from you.
Upon reflection, I have learned to want to be loved less and to be liked more. I now confirm that the people who like you, want the best for you, while the people who love you, want the best from you.
Hummm. This lesson has certainly held up for me up over the years. Romantics tend to hate it – but – I personally never took sex serious and I never played well with romantics.
I view romantics to be emotion “Vampires”.
Kissing romantic “Vampires” is not my favorite thing. When you get under their “assumed authority”, they will often suck the independent life out of you.
Love is an addiction. Love is a weakness – a giving up of control. Who loves least, controls.
Romantics do tend to hate certain realities.
Hate is lashing out due to lack of control. Want is denied.
Reality to romantics often appears as cynicism.
Emotional cannibalism: Nobody is indefinitely interested in somebody who has no needs emotionally. In society, we all engage in emotional cannibalism. Neutrality is a lack of effect to another’s emotions – that often yields to frustration and anger. For some, to produce any reaction is satisfactory to feed emotions.
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Emotional hunger is the key to most wants.
Your GENES created you.
Your GENES – and their influences – are the only real, active, inherent, instinctive “gods” that guide you through your life.
There is no God and your genes are not supernatural.
Your genes are experienced and they contain gene memory.
“Experience triggers genes to want and to not want. Genes also trigger experiences.”
I perceive that concerning emotions and feelings, the propensity, power, and manifestation is all in the genes.
Genetic behavior can be considered instinct.
Your genes created your specific ability for your emotional intensity and your feelings.
You would have no life, emotions nor feelings without your ever-reactive and your ever-evolving genes. Strong, “lit-up” genes trigger experiences. Experiences sometimes trigger “dormant” genes.
Can you intellectually understand and emotionally accept your ego’s connection with your genes?
We each are the masters of our lives, but authoritative religion has mass-programmed us away from getting in touch and “listening” to our genes.
Religion invented prayer to hijack meditation. Meditation does attempt to connect the individual ego with its genes.
Prayer is geared to seek guidance from an exterior, alien, non-existent, supernatural Biblical God that has a personality profile that is quite different than your own. Your genes contain the potential of your talents and your personality.
Governments want their subjects to be indoctrinated by religions. Religions indoctrinate you to fear, to worship, to serve and to finance authority. When you seek guidance or orders from a fictitious, non-existent God / Authority, an opportunistic, self-serving “assumed authority” (like a dictator) may easily step in and take advantage of you. Often, you end up zealously serving that assumed authority.Insanity is contagious.
If you seek supernatural spirits, you are an opportunist who will, in fact, find nothing. The more entitled you feel to be, the more you will pretend that supernatural spirits guide you. Your genes are your true guides. Yes, we all have some bad genes. Be careful. Do not do to another what you would not have another do to you. If you break this one “law” – you may find yourself in prison and / or suffering emotional guilt.
Some romantics say: “Listen to your heart”. That means: “To get in touch with your feelings”. That is a big step toward “listening to your genes.” Again, we all also contain passed on good and bad genes. Education, experience, discipline and common sense must tip us off when our bad genes have been triggered.
If your feelings desire to damage yourself or another “Human Animal”, your bad genes have been triggered.
Successful people make it a priority to develop a good sense of good and bad, right and wrong.
Why tell the truth? When you tell the truth, you never have to remember what you said.
I personally prefer facts to truth. One’s truth usually has an agenda attached to it. If a stated truth seems to require acceptance it is probably promoting an agenda. You are being manipulated. Facts don’t give a damn who agree with them. Facts reveal reality whereby truths reveal agendas.
Through your “ego-filter”, your thoughts and feelings – with their emotion intensity – is your communication with your genes. Your gene-connected thoughts and feelings are the most “spiritual” things you will ever experience.
You may pass your genes onto your offspring, but when you die, eventually, your personal, life-experiencing genes die. When your genes expire, your offspring live on, but other than in someone’s memory, you, the individual, expire and become non-existent.
Religion has programmed the “Human Animal’s” ego that if your ego obeys the fictional, supernatural Biblical God, and all of this authoritative, tyrannical God’s insane commandments, your ego will be “saved” to live for eternity to serve this God. Typically, a believer’s ego is so afraid of non-existence that it buys into this phony / fantasy “salvation”.
Once you are “converted” to a religion, your ego will never experience your true genetic potential. The potential of those genes was hijacked by religion. Religion is a form of psychological crowd control. “Baa”.
What you consider to be “spiritual” is only a thought, an idea or a feeling.
Try to prove to another that your perception of “spiritual” is more than thought, an idea or a feeling.
“Spiritual” – concerning the religiously dogmatic – mostly amounts to “fantasy”. When someone religious says the word “spiritual” – I hear the word “fantasy“.
Of course, other ego-authoritative, manipulative “Humans Animals” prefer, and even insist, that you listen, serve, and obey the Biblical God on His terms so that you will more easily obey them – on their terms.
They may even insist that you serve and sacrifice your life for their fictitious, authoritative and supernatural God. Your Government prefers that you yield to that idea so that the Government can easily order you to sacrifice yourself for its “interests”.
Your personal “trinity” of ego, feeling and emotion-intensity is to be dogmatically sacrificed for the “Holy Trinity” – God, Jesus and the Holy Ghost.
If you are a Christian, your ego’s Genetic-powered “Trinity” is to be sacrificed, to die, to be “born-again”, so to serve the fictitious Biblical God’s “Trinity”. When I was pressured to be “born-again” – I chose instead to grow up.
If you find yourself willing to sacrifice your life for this fictitious, authoritative God, your Government may easily and successfully order you to sacrifice your life for it. Is it any wonder why your Government supports God and religion?
The more an authoritative / god-fearing religion controls you, the more your authoritative / god-loving Government benefits.
Religion is authority worship. The worship of God is the worship of authority. Who assumes authority over you more than your own Government? Who gets the benefit of your worshipping authority more than parents, bosses and Government?
Platonic: Response to a sterile atmosphere.
A thought comes when it wishes, not when I wish it.
Thought awareness has been my consistent experience. Mindset believers in dogma wonder where all this “insane” writing comes from?
Just as much of any animal’s inherent behavior is genetic-driven, many of our human thoughts and feelings – that lead to our behaviors – are triggered by our recycled and recombinant genes.
Recombinant? Yes! You normally have 46 chromosomes. 23 chromosomes from your biological father were combined with 23 chromosomes from your biological mother.
You will re-combine your genes with another’s genes of the opposite sex to produce your offspring.
Your genes are what created you. Your genes combined with a female’s genes will create your offspring. No magic. Nothing supernatural.
Your genes instinctively influence the thoughts and feelings that control your behavior throughout your genetic lifecycle.
One does not scratch one’s ass without a feeling.
Making love: When one person doesn’t know where they end and the other begins. A romantic notion. Edited
Tongue: A most effective concealed weapon.
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Social Freedom
(Unaccountable Time)
I like you. I want to spend time with you – occasionally.
I like many others that I want to spend time with – occasionally.
There are going to be new ones in my life and I am going to want to spend time with them – occasionally.
I prefer to reject one and accept many and give space rather than to reject many and accept the mutual confines of one.
It may sound selfish, but only I am responsible for my happiness.
You are not responsible for my happiness and I am not responsible for yours.
Responsibility yields obligations and commitments.
Broken commitments yield pain and create emotional prison.
As long as I am not socially insecure, I must be free and have space to be happy.
If there is a problem concerning this, it is not mine. It’s the problem of whoever wants to change it.
If someone chooses to be unhappy, I have but one life … let it be them. Finis
One of 10 Posters
Outside of legal commitment (marriage) – do you want to be emotionally or sexually loyal to someone just because you want them to be loyal to you? They have the right to live their life by their values – not yours – and just being loyal to you – may not be included.
Marriage
By
Gary DeVaney
Governments shall invent, supervise and legally enforce first-line supervision of their male and female peasants in a vehicle called marriage; whereby, each subject, under moral and legal pressure, chooses to enter into a binding contract, based on accountability, responsibility, and commitment to the laws of authority.
Marriage is faith made legal, whereas once chosen, like belief, believers have eliminated their freedom of choice. Binding, legal commitments are the surest way to eliminate free-will. Gods and Governments love that.
The marriage contract shall be between the male and the state – and between the female and the state. Genetic, egocentric emotion shall blind this reality. For traditional believers, same sex marriage shall not be tolerated – even though, if granted, gay individuals could then also be legally supervised, face divorce consequences and be emotionally repressed.
First-line supervision arises as she shall supervise him to the law, social expectations, standards and principles of the state. He, in turn, shall supervise her to the law, standards and principles of the state. They both shall compete in supervising their offspring to the law and authority’s social expectations.
By law, she is to assume authority over his sex life. He is to assume authority over her sex life. Should either fail, the other shall enforce the built-in lawsuit (divorce) and the state shall re-distribute their lives.
Unlike “free-love” – marriage – as an authority controlled social institution, encourages emotional possessiveness along with financial and psychological enslavement.
All “authority” promotes emotional possessiveness and psychological enslavement.
Judges shall act as parole officers concerning alimony and child-support payments.
Authority shall condone sexual inter-action only in a hostage state and Government (authority) shall legally brand / license them to make them hostage two by two.
Personal: I view“marriage” to be a business. For you to get married, you will need a cheap marriage / business license that is issued by the state. This marriage / business license includes a built-in lawsuit called divorce. Many marriages are emotional / financial / business gambles that fail. Often, marriages that do last, are unhappy. I got married one time for 23 days. I “play” with the ladies but I will never again enter into an enforceable contract with “the state” concerning the business of marriage. GWD
Why Prostitution Should Be Legalized
(Inspired by TV’s “Boston Legal”)
It is estimated that legalizing prostitution would reduce the rape rate by 25% in the USA.
Criminalizing prostitution does not make it go away. I just makes it more dangerous – and expensive.
Why not regulate the profession? Employ and insure safety measures to reduce the risk of AIDS, STDs, death and sickness. It could be taxed and given insurance benefits just like any other profession. Prostitution is legal in parts of Nevada. Isn’t prostitution legal in Australia , Canada, Argentina, England, Brazil, Costa Rica, Germany, Mexico, Ireland, Norway, Peru, New Zealand, Iceland, and Sweden? Again, religious belief gets in the way of Human Rights to their own bodies and common sense.
For prostitution to be illegal imposes both on morality and normal human desires. Prostitution exists. It always has existed. It always will exist as long as Human Beings exist. Having it illegal is dangerous. It is exploited by organized crime. Child sex-trade and slave trafficking could be better detected. Governmental judges fining hookers and putting them back on the street makes those judges and the Government their pimps. Being that prostitution is a multi-million dollar industry anyway, why not tax it and use the tax money for health programs? Prostitution tax revenues could better finance AIDS research and sex education. 25% of US females between 14-19 have some form of STD. Concerning school education today, abstinence is all that is officially sanctioned. Religions and schools are against condoms. That is immoral, dangerous and should be illegal. Fewer prostitutes and pay-for-sex customers would end up dead. Fewer homes would become infected by VD. Venereal disease could be more effectively controlled in the United States of America.
Religions and governments condemn Human Animals who desire variety in sex without becoming a slave to an unwanted or a permanent relationship. These authorities demand that you buy into the relationship and sell out your emotional, sexual and financial lives. Religions and governments are not interested in the Human Animal’s happiness – just his or her submission to their authority. Ironically, many Government officials and judges – who can get it up – tend to illegally employ hookers.
When the love is gone – one great class of hookers can be called wives. GWD
There are “assholes” in the romantic’s world. Male “ass holes” are indifferent, non-dependent, non-caring, cheap, self-centered, roguish, inconsiderate, very much alive and sexy. These “Assholes” seem to have a primitive, genetic magnetism for normal, sexually addictive, women.
“Feral” (Book 2 – “Emotional Surgery”) is a guy who is unsophisticated, undomesticated, and wild. Feral instinctively knows that women do not like “assholes” – but – they are strongly attracted to them. Feral acts out and admits readily that he is an “asshole”. Feral is addicted to variety and shares his “Social Freedom” lifestyle with acres of wonderful, sexually-alive women who happen to be in his atmosphere. (Lucky for me!)
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Romance: Emotional fantasy concerning love.
Gary DeVaney’s Genetic-Love-Model Theory:
Love often causes insanity – not knowing right from wrong. Love is a variable-intense feeling that makes you do predictable and unpredictable things that you would not normally do. When you “fall in love”, which often is an all-consuming addiction, you suddenly sense how categorically alone you are. Only the love-object can eradicate your categorical loneliness. Logic and reason is compromised. “Freedom” (unaccountable time) becomes obsolete. Insecurity, jealousy, possessiveness, and dominance may obsess your life. You no longer are who you were. Reproductive risk becomes high.
Your feeling of “love” is simply your addiction to your genetic feeling. I view that we each have a “genetic-love-model” that we never see clearly. Your genetic love-feeling is triggered, on occasion, by somebody you meet. You respond as if you were suddenly “addicted” to that specific person. In reality, you are only “addicted” to your own feeling that is hard-wired to your genetic-love-model, that is / was triggered by that specific individual.
Reminder: A theory is another definite, guaranteed maybe.
Unconditional Love: Many – who are looking for “unconditional love” – end up with someone with unconditional needs.
Chris Rock: Do you know why your woman is always mad and bitchy at you? It is because you were not her first choice.
Chris Rock made this perspective funny, but, I find it to be therapeutically accurate.
Gary DeVaney’s Addiction Theory
Pragmatically, there has never been one “Human Animal” on planet Earth who was ever addicted to cigarettes, heroin, sex, food, gambling or to another “Human Animal”.
Critic: What? The Hell you say!
The only one thing that a “Human Animal” is ever addicted to is a feeling.
Critic: What?
No Feeling = No Addiction!
Can you imagine or suggest an example of an addiction without a feeling?
If you can imagine all of your identifiable feelings as your many children, you may become aware that, as the master of your life, you are responsible for the control of those feelings / children.
Emotionally, it is better to not have what you want than it is to have what you do not want.
A guy can intensely want the woman he cannot have.
He can intensly not want the terminal cancer he does have.
Which intense do want / don’t want emotion is better in your value system?
The Gary DeVaney Version of the Alcoholic Anonymous 12-Step Program
AA Version First. DeVaney Version Second
1. We admit that we were powerless over alcohol – that our lives had become unmanageable.
1. I now know that I am addicted to a feeling. I admit that I have the power to identify and control my genetic feeling(s) that craves alcohol.
2. We came to believe that a Power greater than ourselves could restore us to sanity.
2. I now know that my taking control of my genetic feeling(s) can control my sanity.
3. We make a decision to turn our will and our lives over to the care of God, as we understand Him.
3. I have no evidence of any supernatural God. I now have decided to take charge, identify, isolate and control my damaging, genetic feelings. I now know that as long as I won’t – I can’t.
4. We make a search and fearless moral inventory of ourselves.
4. I now will identify, isolate, control, re-program and shut-down my genetic feeling(s) that crave alcohol.
5. We will admit to God, to ourselves and to another Human Being the exact nature of our wrongs.
5. I now accept my responsibility to identify and isolate my addicted, genetic feelings. Through my habit of drinking, I have reinforced those feelings and they have loyally obeyed my will and my actions. I now will learn and change my will and to change my behavior. I will now command my errant, genetic feeling(s) to stand down.
6. We are entirely ready to have God remove all these defects of character.
6. I now will consciously order my feelings to re-program my ever-evolving genes to shut-down the addicted feeling(s).
7. We humbly asked God to remove our shortcomings.
7. I now will consciously re-program and supervise my genes to shut-down and control my addicted feeling(s). As long as I will change, I can change.
8. We will make a list of all persons we have harmed, and became willing to make amends to them all.
8. I now will no longer allow my genetic feeling(s) to damage myself or another. I now will use my “free-will” to avoid bad consequences that I do not want.
9. We will make direct amends to such people wherever possible, except when to do so would injure them or others.
9. I now will take stock of my addicted genetic feelings and I will shut-down any feelings that damage myself or others. I now control my feelings. My destructive, genetic feelings will no longer control me.
10. We will continue to take personal inventory and when we were wrong promptly admit it.
10. When the destructive, (bad) feeling(s) are triggered, I will identify, isolate, control, re-program and shut them down. Those feelings are not the boss of me. I will control my damaging feelings. As the tail does not wag the dog, my damaging feelings will not control me.
11. We seek, through prayer and meditation, to improve our conscious contact with God, as we understood Him, praying only for knowledge of His will for us and the power to carry that out.
11. I now am the master of my life. My free-will, my behavior and my feelings are my responsibility. I now own them. I now have learned to be aware. I now constantly take steps to process and take control over any of my own genetic feelings that tend to damage myself or others.
12. Having had a spiritual awakening as the result of these steps, we tried to carry this message to alcoholics, and to practice these principles in all our affairs.
12. As the master of my life, I now can and will learn to control my damaging feelings. I now am now aware of the source and of the cure of my genetic feeling(s) and I now will share the “addiction” message to those who need to control their damaging, genetic feelings. If I seek assistance in this matter, it will be in the form of meditation and therapy – not prayer. To be long-term effective, I now must depend on myself – no god and no coach.
My therapy is my desire to change me to better suit me.
Learning to succeed at controlling that specific “problem child / feeling” that controls me is my break-through therapy. Controlling my problem feeling is the only way that I can or will beat my unwanted addiction.
Unwanted? Yes.
Example: Sex is not an unwanted addiction for me. Pass the Viagra, please.
Any relationship / partnership will die emotionally if one’s needs become more than the other can or will handle.
Romantic probing: Methods used to find weakness or hunger in the other, and to feed that hunger and to feel control by feeling needed. Loneliness is fed which yields security and control by the feeder, and a relief of need by the other, thus a cross feeding for both – which is a relationship.
What would a relationship be without needs?
If your emotional life is not good – stop pushing the responsibility on others to fix it. Be your own emotional mechanic. Accepting responsibility for your emotional life is most of the battle.
You are the only thinker in your genetic universe. How do you think genetic animals survive in a world of predators? Their experienced, instinctive genes cause feelings that increase survival awareness, skills and behavior. That genetic communication, through feelings, could be what the “Human Animal” labels “spiritual”. Most give credit to a non-existent, supernatural God rather than to their own, scientifically proven, ever-active-evolving, contributory genes.
You exist because of your genes that make you who you are. Your evolved genes have been successfully re-combined thousands of times in the past. Shit happens. What is important, and determines who you are, is how you deal with it.
This addicted, genetic behavior is easily and accurately perceived, analyzed and cured by those who care to learn to do so. If you deny your cure – you support your disease.
Concerning other life-forms that we share our planet with, can you predict and describe some of the behaviors of cats, dogs, fish, and birds? How about rabbits, squirrels, horses and cows? They genetically inherit their “diverse” behaviors. Their “different” behaviors, through feelings, follow their inherent, genetic influence. If your feelings are not serving you on your terms, you must learn how to change them. Concerning your therapy, you do not have to be sick to get better.
Would you agree that, by observation, squirrels do inherently “feel” that they can climb trees? By observation, can you also confirm that cows do not display any active genetic feelings / desires to climb trees?
For many, knowing is boring. “Magic” proves that ignorance is the fascination. As we mature, how we deal with our genetic feelings must mature.
Secret: A psychological barrier between you and what you feel can and will hurt you.
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Guilt: Emotional poison caught between moral ideals (what I should have done) in immoral reality (what I actually did). Edited
Some people get married simply to have an emotional shelter to return to.
When an emotional system is poisoned, it may become “addicted” to the triggered feeling that the poison produced and the emotional system mistakenly strives to feed on it. It can provide exciting and horrible drama for other people around them who care. Trauma (Emotional Surgery) performed or trauma (emotional accident) experienced may be the solution for the victim. A new relationship can be a cure because “falling in love” is a traumatic experience to the emotional system.
“Emotional Surgery” was / is the title of my second book.
Competition: To take within agreed upon rules, laws, and regulations. Competition is legal theft.
Stealing: To take outside of agreed upon rules, laws, and regulations. Stealing is illegal theft.
Moral / Legal Guides:
Confucius said, about 500 BC: “Do not do to another what you would not have another do to you.”
Jesus Christ said: “Do unto others as you would have them do unto you.”
Confucius’ guidance is superior, wiser and more legally correct than Jesus Christ’s guidance. Would you have someone who loves to fight, or a pedophile, or a masochist do to you or your child what they like to have done to themselves?
In society, morals change by opportunity and advantage / disadvantage feelings within individuals. In society, romance has no real competition / theft rules really lived by. The tactics are only good as long as they work.
To be “in love” is to be categorically insane. Insanity is not knowing right from wrong. The high statistics of unwanted pregnancy alone proves that “being in love” is categorical insanity. High elevations and doses of Testosterone, Oxytocin, Vasopressin, and Adrenaline often cause insane animal behavior. They, and other hormone chemicals, often compete for control Human animal feelings.
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Competition: (mock killing or being killed) The process to make and take advantage of another so to accomplish a goal. To prevent you from obtaining what you want. To willingly stop you, frustrate you, confuse you, and hurt you as to your goal. You can never be frustrated without a goal. During competition, the intent may be to kill your will and to make you concede. During competition prevent you from getting what you want, thus, I get my what I want. Anger (not getting my way and not having control) often accompanies competition, so, when an attack is made, a typical attitude can be: “And, hope you don’t like it!” Edited
Christians compete to steal and convert your will so that you give up your will / life to serve their Biblical God. You are to surrender any “free-will” of your own. Most zealous Christians obviously do not like you the way you are. Practicing Christians preach that you were born with sin and that you are inherently evil. Because practicing Christians can not accept you the way you normally are – they want to head-off the individual whom you were genetically born to become.
Drama: Aggression, retaliation, victory, and defeat – some great vehicles to exercise emotions by.
Emotional gambler / stuntman: One who opens up an emotional stunt that he may not survive.
Some “Human Animals” (mostly men) “subconsciously” (genetically) desire to kill other “Human Animals” in war.
I view that your “sub-conscious” is your genetic activity that – through your thoughts and feelings – influences your mind which – governs your ego which – commands your behavior.
Let’s see now:
Your “subconscious mind” is your genetic activity. Your genetic-based thoughts and feelingsinfluence your conscious mind.
Your “conscious mind” (thoughts and feelings) governs your Ego.
Your Ego commands your behavior. Your Ego must learn to recognize and stand against your destructive thoughts and feelings.
Your “killer genes” tend to activate when your survival is threatened. Because you do exist, your forefathers obviously had successful “killer genes”.
Perspective: If your Great Grandfather died at age 5, you would not exist. Your existence is a genetic “roll of the dice”.
There is “evil” in the world. When they are triggered, we all prove to have evil genes. Because those “evil” genes do not run insane all the time, they are proven to be controlled. If you can control your evil genes, you prove that you can control your addicted feelings.
(Stifling) Commitment: One gives to satisfy the needs of another, but the genes are triggered and the emotion-vampire’s hunger grows for more. The gift becomes a demand and then, by ultimatum, one is ultimately expected to deliver to the level of all or none. Either way, it is usually the end of the fun and unaccountable relationship that it once was. Edited
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Morality is the good / bad – right / wrong of things. Sometimes you must forget morality long enough to recognize, understand, and accept reality. Edited
When you ask people how they define freedom, most state: “Being able to do what I want, when I want to do it, with whom I want to do it, with nobody to answer to.”
That is not freedom. That is power. It takes some form of power to achieve that. Freedom is nothing so glamorous, but, in an inter-parasitical, competitive society, freedom is much more important.
Freedom is purely: Unaccountable Time.
Independent is an attitude while non-dependent is a status. You may have a haughty, arrogant house-cat with a snooty, independent attitude – but, in reality, how non-dependent is that cat?
Any animal can reproduce.
Love: Mutual values. The people who stay together the longest are the people whose values stay together the longest. When the values split – people split.
The greatest test of love is the emotional intensity concerning a sense of loss.
DeVaney’s Genetic-Love-Model Theory
Love is a feeling. Like all emotion-stimulated feelings, varying emotion-intensity accompanies the feeling called love. When the feeling of love is triggered, the degree of emotion-intensity determines how addicted we become to the feeling.
We all have a Genetic-Love-Model that we never see clearly. We are “cursed or blessed” to passionately crave our Genetic-Love-Model.
How many people, who claim to be in love, are having an affair with a hallucination. “The Love Virus”?
The romantic ego will hate this, but, we never fall in love with the love-object. We always fall in love with our Genetic-Love-Model – when triggered by a, mostly mysterious, love object. No feeling – no addiction. The ego attaches to and becomes addicted to the overpowering, often insane feeling.
Teenagers often behave as if they just got dumped by the love of their life – their soul mate – and there is nobody in their atmosphere that they claim to love.
Their Genetic-Love-Model is maturing and making itself a behavioral consequence to them. An individual’s confusing mood-swings, manic-depression and other psychotic symptoms may be contributed to their “sacred” Genetic-Love-Model.
“Human Animals”, who “fall-in-love” fall in love with their Genetic-Love-Model. Often, during periods of time that the feeling is insanely intense, insanity flows.
Be honest. If you are over 50, how many times would you admit to being in love? Are you still in love with all the specific individuals that you admit to? Those “Human Animals” just triggered your love-model. If you are young and cannot admit to your love-model ever being triggered, you may be in for some wild, intense and confusing rides.
Behavioral Perspectives: Those who love you want the best FROM you. Those who like you want the best FOR you.
Check yourself. Do you love them with expectation or like them for who they are, as they are?
Ask yourself: Do you know anyone who loves like this?:
1. I love you as long as you serve me on my terms.
2. I love you if you live by my values in your life with me being the center of those values.
Only when you expect can you be frustrated and / or disappointed. Disappointment is always in direct proportion to expectation.
In Human relationships – love survives on mutual values. When the values split – people split.
Jealousy, in a man, can be the fear of another man stripping away the attention and affection of a woman towards him.
Attitude: Outer signs of inner feelings.
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Character: Description of emotional (do-want / don’t-want) traits. Edited
Constantly, smooth, methodical dancers may be smooth, methodical, ho-hum lovers.
Dancers who tend not to flow with each other – tend not to flow with each other.
The Problem
I want something that is not or I don’t want something that is. Without want, there is no problem. Selfishness is the key to all problems.
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Discipline: Rules and principles that supposedly provide safety in goal achievement.
Etiquette: A social façade, that is recognizable as a role that is an abstraction of the real person.
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Emotionally growing up, many children, through family structure, constantly seek parental approval, make constant mistakes, and receive constant reprimands.
Unfortunately, this lack of acceptance and negative attention carries over into adult life. The fact is, upon coming an adult, parental approval is not necessary and should be declared: “As a child, I have always sought your approval and may have never gotten it. Now, within my being, I honestly don’t need it and feel comfortable without it.” If not declared, you may live in a house of emotional disorder forever.
A professional’s documented observation concerning a person’s behavior, actions and attitudes is considered a case history.
A layman’s expressed observation is often considered dogmatic gossip.
If a man and a woman often have social intercourse in public, they are probably having sexual intercourse in private.
Jealousy: To tolerate another to have social intercourse as long as they enjoy themselves and no other besides me.
To learn factual reality, I do not much care to hear people’s truth. Facts have no politics, partiality or agenda. Give me only the facts. Someone’s truth mostly seems to have an ego-motivated agenda concerning the facts. I want to know the reality – the plain facts – so to make my own judgment. Do I make judgments? Yes.
Do you make decisions without using judgment? Let’s test it. Would you have faith that your 4-year-old child should walk across a crowded high-speed 6-lane freeway? It is safer to make decisions by judging facts instead of having blind faith in somebody’s manipulative truth.
People who say they don’t judge others probably also insist that they never lie. Some of us prefer to say: “It’s none of your damned business” rather than to lie.
Some lie rather than allow their life to be put into another “Human Animal’s” influence or control. It’s called protecting your privacy. Predators, who want to control your life, don’t want you to withhold any privacy from them. Therapists tend to learn of such things.
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A liar is insecure because he is trying to protect something. A chronic liar is the result of habitual insecurity.
Orgasm: Mindless Ecstasy.
People unhappy with themselves tend to change the future of others with what we call advice.
Personal success: Accomplishing something to go your way.
Personal failure: Things did not go your way.
Bureaucratic success: Congratulations, you made something go our way.
Bureaucratic failure: You did not make things go our way. You’re fired!
A necessary reaction to a persecuted environment is a positive thought that allows sanity.
A secret involuntarily found out, may have the same emotional impact as a caught lie.
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If a woman ends up with a man’s money without marrying him, society says the outcome is prostitution.
If she ends up with his money through marriage, the outcome is the will of God.
Vibes: The most honest and purest communication between animals is electro-chemical waves between bodies and minds. Acknowledge them, experience them, and fine-tune them for social accuracy.
Some studies show that a woman knows within a few seconds whether or not she wants to have sex with you. Special awareness to her vibes can be your tip-off. You must be aware and receptive of these cautious vibes. You also must be cautious that you do not feel entitled and misinterpret her vibes, attitude, and signals.
Socially successful people have learned how to handle rejection often. Social failures often become depressed and withdraw their interests and efforts. There are millions of wonderful women, who could and would be “HOT” for you, if you would just give them a chance. Being over-selective is a great cause of loneliness. Experiencing is not writing the script.
Does a writer create thoughts or simply experience and report them?
Jealousy: Somebody who assumed control over another and is afraid of losing it.
Envy: Somebody who does not have control over another and wants it.
Greed: When somebody has a lot of control and wants more.
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The greatest overall emotional motivator is fear. Fear is bottom-line ignorance. We fear cancer, which kills millions, because we don’t know (ignorance) its cure. If we knew the cure for cancer, we would have no fear of cancer. Edited
Stimulation of loose scalp may help maintain social hairs.
This statement stands. I have hair. I feel like I am in my 40s. I have always feared losing my hair. For years, I have brushed my head and scalp about one hundred strokes almost every day. I do not not need a hair transplant – yet.
This is 2011. My birthday was on February 12th 1944. I just experienced a new awareness like “The Twilight Zone”. Yikes! Within a couple short years, I’ll be 70! WOW! What a ride!
Masochists and martyrs – they are both categorical characteristics in most of us.
Mental / physical masochism may be caused by our self-condemned, stone-aged sins.
Sin: Without consent of God or man is most of all me.
Intelligence is categorical. Somebody could have successfully earned a PHD in door knobs and is a moron in motorcycle mechanics. Your categorical intelligence, if accurately measured, may prove to be responsible for the rise and fall of your categorical interests.
Jealously: Being sinned against.
Some people feel that they are great lovers just because it feels good.
The only cause of sin is ignorance. All sins are based on feelings like anger, jealousy, selfishness, and greed. I want something other than what you are or what you did.
If you knew how to make things go your way or how to accept things the way they are – you would not feel “sinful” feelings. Take the 613 Old Testament Commandments and trace them to the basis of these “sinful” feelings.
(Try to find a Rabbi who won’t charge you for his time or his answers.)
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Sex is for fun! To have sex for the purpose of having children only, with the human overpopulation problem of today, is pseudo-quasi stupid.
A man, who believes that every woman is capable of experiencing true orgasm, either is the greatest lover in the world – or fooled a lot.
Moral values may vary within individuals as to their knowledge and attitude. An over-authoritarian, over-dictatorial and over-complicated society, led by inconsistent “Holier Than Thou” teachers and ministers, inconstant leadership of parents and corrupt government, is bound to confuse the average human being who uses 3% of his brain and 97% of his emotions.
Gambling: When you stop asking for abuse, your need for it will probably end.
Prejudice: When a person crosses a racial (cultural, religious, ideological) barrier socially, sexually, and romantically and is not welcomed back. Edited
Doctor of orgasmic therapy: A much needed professional, who expertly assists that high percentage of women – who have never, and without whose help, may never experience true orgasm.
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When an animal gets hungry, it grabs anything it can to satisfy it. When a social, “Human Animal” gets horny, it will seek a lover by persistent techniques – unless, it deals in masturbation – which is, by the way, a no-no by dogmatic, stupid moral standards. When socially depressed person finds a suitable lover, he or she becomes possessive so he or she will not have to be thrown back into the social arena to be rejected again. Edited
Jealousy: When you want to be the most important Human Animal in another’s life.
The Human Ego and its supernatural God is synonymous.
The Human Ego assumes and insists that all should worship its “One God”.
Human Egos want other’s belief and commitment in their “One God”.
The Human Ego’s one job is to be – in some category – more than it is.
The Human Ego tries to embellish itself by pretending to coat-tail the phony authority of its personally created, supernatural God.
The Human Ego behaves like it wants to be the value, the authority, the power and in control.
Human Egos tend to feel entitled.
Human Egos use their non-existent supernatural God in attempts to be obeyed by others. It is the authority-worshipping gullible who makes the God-promoting Ego feel successful.
If you think about it – the predatory, dominant animals behave the same way – with exception of their need for any supernatural God.
Fantasy: Emotional masturbation.
An argument takes place when one person gets another person to take up his battle with himself. The issue or topic over a span of time is of no significance. It is just that he is unhappy with himself and he argues to act out his misery. The event can lead to hatred. Although he cannot remember the topic after a few hours or in a few days, the feeling lingers. What he has done is transfer the feelings he had for himself onto you. Now you can feel towards him the same as he feels toward himself. What is the rationality of an argument? If a person is right or wrong about something, it is not your problem. It is his problem.
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Your trying to correct him is a waste of time. Your ego will try to correct him to make sure that you are right, that you are the authority, that you are the value.
Debate / Argument: A debate focuses on a topic. An argument focuses on control.
Arguments are performed by competing egos who are struggling to be “the value” and “the authority”. Each ego, like God, is attempting to break the will of the other.
No doctor has yet sliced open a human body and found an ego. Like God – ego does not exist in reality. An ego manifestation is identified by behavior.
Both God and Ego have the reputation to be identical in behavior as both traditionally and behaviorally display:
“I am the value”. “I am the authority”. “I am entitled.”
Authoritative egos often try to use their personal, imaginary, supernatural God to supercharge themselves to be more of a competitive consequence with other superstitious egos. Any behavior that claims to be the value, the authority, to be entitled, is a mere ego manifestation.
Great accomplishments are often created or performed by big egos.
Can you imagine Muhammad Ali, Michael Jordan or Tiger Woods achieving what they did with “tiny” egos? Can you imagine any Academy Award actors or Miss Americas without big, self-confident egos? If you know a “billionaire” – does he or she have a small ego?
Once in a debate, my opponent accused me of having a big ego. I said, “Thank you!”
Do not listen to me or any other man. You are the only thinker in your genetic universe. Take the time to think these things over for yourself.
Oral sex is more exciting than eating dead chicken.
What? Let me think this one out! Hummm.
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The Emotional Ladder
There are onlytwo reasons in this world why a person is “depressed”.
1. He or she is depressed because he or she is mad or sad.
2. The only two reasons that he or she is mad or sad is because things did not go his or her way and he or she was not in control.
3. This only happens because he or she was selfish. He or she wanted things to go their way and he or she wanted control.
4. The bottom rung of the emotional ladder is ignorance – not knowing – whether things could go his or her way or not. If so – how to do it. If not – how to obtain the ability to accept things the way they are. Edited
One of the 10 posters.
Happiness is having the capacity to accept people, places and things the way they are.
Only if you can change things to go your way or if you can accept things the way they are can you rid your being depressed.
Secret: “Consent” is the cure.
Again: The two animal emotions are “do wants” / “don’t wants” and their intensities. Human behavior is caused by identifiable, dictionary-definable feelings. Their emotion intensities can become a trained judgment call.
Thoughts are thoughts. Thoughts written may become immortal.
Macho men seem to rarely have social questions. They seem to have lots of answers in the form of philosophical speeches. Feminine women seem to have many “probing” social questions and few answers. There would be no “Knight in Shining Armor” nor “Cinderella” if this were not the case.
Apathy: When the fear of failure overcomes wants.
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What does NOT cause rapid heartbeat, extreme tension, eyes rolling and shutting tight, sweat pouring, nerves exploding, extreme physical and emotional pleasure and mindless-ecstasy? Eating dead chicken.
The depths of feel appear in shallow philosophers.
Human beings are a product of their environment / society. The first thing a baby girl is handed is a baby doll. By the time she is a teenager, and her maternal genes kick in, she matures and becomes goal-oriented for Mr. Right, future, family, babies, security, home, and (SUVs). Anything short of satisfying her genetic craving would be trauma. Edited
She is, therefore, interested in and focused on finding her (“Genetic Love-Model”) / “Fantasy-Guy”. She is just not interested in any relationship that is not going to grow – to satisfy her genetic cravings. Edited
A “romantic” may require a man who is sensitive, handsome, caring, loving, attentive, nice, dependable and sweet. But, she can not have him. He’s already got a boyfriend.
Prostitution: We all prostitute ourselves daily. We sell our talents to the highest bidder whether they be athletic, labor or by the brainwave. We are prostitutes in every branch of life. Why are prostitutes who sell sex against the law? It is their bodies to do what they want with – isn’t it? Maybe it is because everybody has sex but nobody is supposed to give sex except for the moral purpose of having children.
Someone impotent must have made the insane moral law that the only purpose of sex is to produce children. Maybe it is mostly the jealous and the impotent individuals who try to enforce it.
The authoritative / sexual-impotent” might say: “If I cannot play – nobody should play”. Why does the Pope make the sex rules for Catholics? He doesn’t play the game. Why have Catholic Popes excused and transferred Priests who were guilty of child abuse?
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Sharing a lot of sex at any age is probably illegal because, I view that, it is the most fun human minds and bodies can experience. Having sex is the greatest 24 / 7 adult sport on Earth. If you know of activities that are more fun, check your “sexual-quotient”. We seem to have to complicate everything good that we have when it is normally free.
Yes, there is the risk of disease and of pregnancy. Modern, scientific and emotional, reality-based education can help minimize those risks. For most of the animal kingdom, “seasonal sex” is the greatest sport in the world. It is all in the genes.
Most women become prostitutes to lash out against an over-controlling society for some traumatic experience that went against their ideals.
When we go to a job interview, we are asking, “How can you use me in exchange for money?” In the social world, that is exactly what we are doing – except it is, “How can you use me to satisfy your emotional needs so that I can use you to satisfy my emotional needs?” A person who sells himself or herself more – tends to get more. He or she has more imagination and he or she does more.
As a result, he or she is more receptive and can accept more. A person who does not sell himself or herself, doesn’t develop the self-esteem capacity to accept things for himself or herself.
It is an educated reality that women have more sexual power than men do. Most men tend to buy what they want with financial power. Most young women can better achieve what they want withsexual power. Legal or not, moral or not, there is no confusion why prostitution exists. Paradoxically, to make sex illegal or immoral, somehow makes sex more desired. Why is that? Illegal sex attracts some like illegal drugs. Personally, drug dealers and prostitutes would go broke counting on me. Should a lady not be passionate to play, I’ll pass. Next!
I learned what Rodney Dangerfield meant when he said: “I need two women at the same time. That way, if I fall asleep, they’ve got somebody to talk to.”
Sometimes, normally social, people get into a state of mind that they don’t want to sell themselves. They feel low and confused and they don’t feel like taking the steps to get rejected socially. They are suffering from hurt feelings. They are sad, which is the twin sister to being mad. Something happened that didn’t go their way and they didn’t have control.
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A person in this state of mind may become selfishness, jealous and possessive.
As a hungry dog does with a bone, when starving, it demands, “what’s mine is mine, don’t transgress”. When the need is half satisfied, it becomes the give and take level. When the need is completely satisfied, it becomes the sharing level.
When the hunger is over-fed, throwing up is the result – or at least a temporary giving-up of the relationship. This is what happens when one person’s emotional needs stifles another.
The cause of a closed mind: Nothing you say is going my way, so I don’t want to listen.
Giving is categorical. One may not be capable of giving what you need. Allow another to give what he or she is categorically capable of giving instead of what you want from him or her. Be smart, sensitive and considerate enough to know the difference.
Your misery is in direct proportion to your expectation.
Dancers with limited dance movements tend to have limited social imaginations.
Rigid dancers tend to have ridged / up-tight attitudes (outer signs of inner feelings.) Edited
Philosophy: Your philosophy is your love of your values in your life.
A truly happy person establishes a philosophy of life that he is accepting, happy and safe with. Individuals talk about, read about and listen to life’s philosophies to discover their social / emotional self.
Our emotions (do wants / don’t wants and their intensities) make up our character and our character best depicts to ourselves and to others who we evolve to be. Edited
Evolution: Who can say that evolution does not exist? Simple learning is evolving. To learn is to evolve. Look at the evolution of human lifestyles with all the evolved ideas that went into inventions. Humanity’s convenience and quality of life is undeniable evolution.
Realists want to get their thinking and feeling systems to become confident in what they think and feel.
Confidence: Knowing what you are doing and why you are doing it.
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A person who listens to another’s philosophy may be only serving as a sounding board for the philosopher. The desire to learn something must be present for all involved. I attend many speaking engagements because I would walk a mile to learn something profound. Edited
Thinkers / Believers: Thinkers tend to lead their lives while believers tend to follow their lives. One survey, I recall about 20 years ago, concluded that 5 % of humanity are leaders and 95 % of humanity are followers. One person lifts while 19 people lean.
The words – “I Believe”: No. I personally think. I never say, first person, the hypnotic words “I believe”. Every “belief” is a self-imposed state of hypnosis. Every time that you say “I believe” you reinforce your state of self-hypnosis.
Outside of enforceable criminal and civil laws, I do not do obedience and I do not tend to follow – especially your beliefs. I also do not take stock in the hypnotic words “I believe” of others because “I believe” could mean hundreds of different things. Examples: “I believe” could mean – “I pretend” / “I gamble” / “I support” / “I commit” / “I obey”. Always, “I believe” means “I don’t know”. If they truly knew, they would claim to know – not to believe. Why would any logical, sane, thinking person buy into others gambles, pretends, commitments and I don’t knows?
Carl Sagan once said, “I don’t believe – I’ve always preferred to know.”
Personally, I view that if something is not worth knowing, I’m not much interested.
Believers often become offended because I’m not interested in their dogmatic belief in God. However, when authoritative believers dare to impose their illogical, insane, demanding, manipulative beliefs on others, I do tend to stand up instead of shut up. My bad.
If a person is discussing the negatives in life, he is just complaining.
Complaint: Resisting life. Some can only take so much of the complaining individual because the constant complaints irritate their “beliefs” principles, commitments, standards and hang-ups. Eventually, they tend to blow-off the chronic complainer. Edited
Like a soap opera, some who search for confidence, want to experience the heartbreak complaints of others – because somehow it makes them feel superior.
People projecting positive and realistic philosophies are usually welcome because most considered them no threat.
Liars select words that disguise their thoughts and agendas.
God Complex / Self-Centered: It can be about you as long as it’s all about me.
As Bette Midler once acted: “Well, enough talking about me, tell me, what do you think about me?”
Every ego / authority is self-centered. Every corporation, like god, is an artificial ego / authority.
Confidence depicts authority and trust. Confidence depicts: If I trust me – you will probably trust me.
What you believe – you do not know. When you express / support your belief – you don’t know – you lie. When you commit to a lot of beliefs – things you don’t know – you are a chronic liar.
However, each invention in documented history was given birth by a lie.
When you lie a lot, you learn to distrust yourself and you don’t know why you lie.
What is a hang-up? Hang-ups and principles have different definitions but similar meanings. A hang-up is a negative principle felt by emotional discomfort. People who are cynical usually have many hag-ups. The key to their misery is that they are negative. Negative out equals negative in. Your society is a mirror image of what you think / believe. You are the only thinker in your (genetic) universe. Edited
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If you bad-mouth people and condemn society, your emotions will eventually buy the fact that you live among wicked in an evil place. By feeding crap out, you feed crap into your emotional house. And, how pretty a place is that to live in?
A person who lives in that kind of world has got to be awfully uptight and upset.
Again – Ego: Any behavioral manifestation that indicates: I am the value. I am the authority. I am entitled.
An ego’s demand for respect is a demand for categorical obedience.
Rejection: The cause and effect of rejection is selfishness. A man can walk up to a woman and ask her to dance or if he can buy her a drink or to have sex. She looks at him or not, makes no difference, and she says no. She is putting her values and feelings over his. He doesn’t matter. He feels. “Oh, you bitch! Who the Hell are you to reject me?” Now, he is putting his values and feelings over hers. She doesn’t matter.
Only satisfying his desires matter. The further he puts his feelings over her feelings, the more sensitive he was toward rejection. This means he was very selfish.
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The solution to rejection is to obtain the philosophy, to have the ability to legitimately feel toward all people this: “I want you to be happy. Concerning you, your happiness is more important to me than anything else. Should it include me, it’s wonderful. If not, I understand and furthermore, I accept.” You are allowing the other person to choose their own values. If you learn the ability to do it, you will not be selfish and as a result, you will not feel rejection. Your feeling of rejection is always in direct proportion to your selfishness.
To claim a miracle is to mis-understand science.
Only a fool will learn from his own mistakes only.
Masters & Johnson were quoted once as saying that after all the years of studying women, they were thoroughly convinced now that they knew nothing about them. If a team of social experts like Masters & Johnson can make this kind of statement, we, who have never clinically studied women, must truly be “Social Laymen”.
Obscenity, like beauty, is in the eye of the beholder.
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A description of love: For one person to be totally immersed and involved with another and wants to be with that person 25 hours a day and, if possible, would crawl inside their skin to be content.
How romantic! How stifling!Edited
Love: There are a network of cells, nerves, and electro-chemicals somewhere inside the body that causes the feeling of love. All it needs is a suitable love-object to allow it to over-powering flow.
When you “fall in love” – he or she (the love object) triggered your genetic love-model. You are now addicted to the feeling called “love”.
To have great sex, you must be great sex.
People go to a psychiatrist / psychotherapist / hypnotherapist / MFCC for numerous reasons. One can be: The psychiatrist / psychotherapist / hypnotherapist / MFCC serves as a substitute patent for the patient / client to pay to be open with.
Lost
It is not the romance you lost that haunts you so much as the romance in which you felt lost.
One of 10 Posters
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Vibes: Emotional language.
The thoughts, suggestions and beliefs offered by other egos have no power over you unless you give them power. Any, why should you give power to a negative, thought, suggestion or belief offered by some other authoritative ego? You are the master of your life. When somebody says something to you or about you, it is in their mind only. It can only hurt if you give them power by accepting it into your own mind. It’s an emotional reaction if it hurts rather than an objective one. He has the power to project poison. You have more power to reject it. Emotional power is the unselfish acceptance of others by allowing them to be who and what they are and to let them think as they wish. An ugly snake eats a little mouse with pretty pink ears. That’s what he does. Accept it. It’s reality whether you accept it or not. Be gentle with yourself.
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Suicide: If you are not going to play the game my way, I am not going to play.
If petty things in life bother you, you are suffering from emotional immaturity. People are irate and upset about things at age 70 as well as age 20. There are exercising their emotions and are consumed in negative, low level life.
The key to the solution is unselfishness. Get selfish, you will withdraw. You will get paranoid, you will become shy (fear of man) and then you may become a social hermit. To be happy, you have to work for it. You have to know what the emotional tools are and how to use them. Unselfishness is a primary tool.
Personal philosophies are designed not to influence dead people.
Because dead people have no feelings – they have no addictions.
Selfish, authoritative dominance: I want you to live by my values in your life with me being the center of those values. I will love you as long as you serve me on my terms.
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If you find someone who is hostile, suffering from hurt feelings, it is because he (or she) is selfish. He displays grudges, resentful attitudes, negative and obnoxious acts. The cause is that he wraps his (genetic-triggered / emotional) goals around a romance.
Because he was rejected, selfish behavior set in – which led to (emotional) pain and cynical withdrawal. The (genetic) goals were frustrated. He was obviously depressed which means he was mad. He was angry because things did not go his way and he did not have control. The love object who triggered his Genetic-Love-Model was living by her values in her life and not living by his values in her life – with him being the center of those values. Wonderful love can quickly turn into dangerous hate. Edited
The solution is simple. Consent! Don’t be selfish. (No other “Human Animal” was put on planet Earth to serve you.) Think of the other person’s right to choose his or her values in his or her life – and then – wish them happiness. If their life should include you, wonderful! But, if their life should not include you, you intellectually understand it and more so, you emotionally accept it. Happiness is having the capacity to accept things the way they are. If you fight reality emotionally and reality does not conform to your desires, you will continue to hurt. You always have to allow reality the right to be what it is. Edited
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In your romantic / sexual pursuit, you’ve got to talk to the person. Lay your cards (your desires and agenda) on the table. Explain what your values are concerning your future. Then listen… Find out what the other “Human Animals” feelings are concerning their future. If it is not in the cards, like in Poker, toss the hand in and look for a new deal. (I live in Las Vegas and I play Texas Hold-em). Edited
Instead of going to the funny-farm, stop being selfish. Give your consent to allow the other the right to choose his or her values. They are going to anyway. Consent is your short-cut back to happiness. Edited
If marriages are made in Heaven, God is screwing up a high percentage of the time.
A trauma gives later but takes away now.
The Emotional Cure – Declaration: “Concerning you, your happiness is more important to me than anything else. Should it include me, it’s wonderful! If not, I understand and more so, I accept.”
Again, your consent is your short cut back to happiness.
Emotionally sick people tend to blame their miseries on everybody else.
Feral: I may have sex with you – but – I going to have sex for me.
Romantic: What?
Thought / Hope / Faith / Trust / Belief
Behavioral Perspectives
By Gary DeVaney
Thought Is The Ultimate Masterpiece
Thought is the ultimate masterpiece for the human being.
Thought is the most accurate perspective of “spiritual”. However, “spiritual” best describes “fantasy”.
Being a serious, critical thinker is inconsistent with being a categorical believer.
Religious Dogma: You must trust, have faith, believe in and obey your God with all your heart for your eternal soul to be saved from Eternal Torment. (What a threat!)
Faith, trust and belief are the cornerstones of the god / obedience game.
Faith, trust and belief are the tools / weapons often waged by others against your free-will.
The Tyrant’s fear: “If you don’t trust / believe me” – it means that “you won’t willfully obey me”.
Anyone, who incorporates the words faith / trust / belief, feels entitled to your obedience.
People, who want to control you, want power and authority over you. They want you to commit to their beliefs, values and agendas. They want you to serve them on their terms.
“Faith” & “Belief” are tools of hypnosis.
“Have faith” means “Be Hypnotized”.
To be instructed, by an assumed authority, to “believe” deepens the hypnosis.
“Trust me” means “shut up and do what you are told or what is expected”.
“I believe” means “I commit” / “I obey”. This is why religious people and other authoritarians push you to believe.
Believe be-lie-ve: Lie is the center of believe. For many “I believe” means “I lie”.
An assumed authority wants you to believe in and commit to his or her beliefs, agendas and values. You are targeted to become their slave – to serve them on their terms.
They want you to have faith in – and to be faithful to – their beliefs, values and agendas.
They often want and demand your love, respect and willful obedience.
You must sacrifice your values in favor of theirs – otherwise they will threaten punishment from themselves or from their egos’ fictitious, supernatural God.
Your “faith” is your willful ignorance. Faith is your agenda to not know – to not be responsible for knowledge.
Faith and belief paralyzes and eliminates the critical mind. The mind, once infected, cannot critically question authoritative categories of life. A virus, like a form of love, sets in and defending your declared belief or faith becomes paramount.
Carl Sagan: “For me, it is far better to grasp the universe as it really is rather than persist in delusion, however satisfying and reassuring. I don’t believe. I’ve always preferred to know.”
Religion manufactures and sells mental disease that addicts the gullible to become mind-set believers.
Religions promote and demand hypnotic, behavioral tools. God and religion requires your obedience.
Repentance: To repent is to practice humility – to discipline oneself – to keep oneself in line.
A pastor keeps the pasture full of God’s word for the “sheep” to mentally and emotionally graze on.
We all have egos that we use to control other egos who happen into our atmospheres. Some tend to super-charge their egos by applying and incorporating a fictitious, “supernatural” God.
Insane, authoritative egos evolve to feel that it is their birth-right and entitlement to categorically change the world into their image through the sacrifice of competing egos that are accessible to them. Some attempt to use their fictional, supernatural God on the gullible to accomplish their ego’s opportunistic and imperialistic goals.
People claim to have a spiritual experience or that something special was spiritual.
Other than an unknown-based, difficult to explain feeling, what is “spiritual” to you? Can you – with any logical, reasonable and rational clarity – define what “spiritual” means to you?
God, King and Country: The agenda of the US government is to mass hypnotize its subjects. It’s agenda is to program you, its subject, to become a believer so that you will practice sacred loyalty to God and country.
Praying is obeying.
Believing is practicing obeying.
To “have faith” is to shut-up and do as you are told.
To say “I believe” is to admit “I don’t know”.
Why would any intelligent human being buy into another’s “I don’t knows”?
The paradox of belief: A person who states a belief – cannot question that belief. Should he or she question that belief – he or she proves not to believe it.
A belief is a state of hypnosis. One who has many beliefs, is bogged down with many states of hypnosis. If one cannot question his or her beliefs, he or she is incapable of thinking.
A question is the highest form of thought.
Do God-fearing believers resent that non-believers don’t go through life without dread, panic and fear?
The Ego’s Use Of Belief
Human Ego is any behavior manifestation of: “I am the value” / “I am the authority” / “I am entitled”.
“I believe” often means “I hope to will something I want into my reality.” “I feel entitled to will my desires into reality”. “I want you to believe what I believe and assist me in willing what I desire into reality.”
If you want me to support, adopt or commit to your beliefs – you want obedience – you really want me to obey you – and – denial is automatic.
If you are a religious believer, this website will question and challenge what your are programmed to believe and what you feel you are entitled to believe.
If you are an Atheist, it will easily validate your being a non-believer.
The hypnotic power and the delusion of belief is strong – as a belief is a state of hypnosis.
I believe often means I pretend.
A belief is often an attempt to “will” something into reality. It is fantasy and invention.
A belief is often “positive thinking” / delusion.
Believers use beliefs to manipulate their desires and their values on others. They want those others to give them free cooperation and support.
There was, a long time ago, something I thought that I liked about the Biblical God. But, after reading, studying and learning about the Biblical God, and the deeds that the Bible documented about its God, I can’t remember what it was that I liked.
Intelligence is categorical. We are capable of learning certain things – and other things – we are not.
The religious teach abstinence and that sex is a dirty, vile and disgusting act that you are to save sex only for the one you love.
Abstinence: Saving it for the worms.
You impose your beliefs on others as if they were rules and laws. You don’t want others to argue, question or challenge your beliefs, rules and laws. You, like God, expect others to support, promote and obey them.
Believer: “I want obedience because the Bible ordered me to subdue and dominate the Earth.” This is Bible indoctrination and tyrant training.
The greater the belief and trust you have in the insane Biblical God, the greater your betrayal to other human beings. God has ordered: Go kill every man, woman and child. God will send you into Eternal Torment. How much programmed fear motivates your belief in God?
Each belief is a separate state of hypnosis. To question the belief is to break the hypnosis.
To believe is to obey authority.
To practice believing is to practice obeying.
If you practice obeying a fictitious authority – an assumed authority can more easily step in and control you.
Don’t believe me or any other man. Question everything for yourself.
Enforceable criminal and civil laws you don’t have to believe. You know that you must obey them – or suffer their consequences.
You control your thoughts. Your beliefs control you. You can question your thoughts. You cannot question your beliefs because if you do, you prove not to believe.
Your beliefs control your behavior – not mine.
Your belief that you have power over others has no influence or control over me.
Do you tend to use your beliefs as manipulative tools?
To promote your beliefs is to promote gambling because when you say “I believe” – you are declaring to the world “I don’t know”. Why would you expect others to buy into your “I don’t knows”?
Because the question is the highest form of thought, you have the power to change a belief into a thought by simply questioning it.
If you tell me that you believe, you are not telling me that you know. You are telling me: “I don’t know”.
A belief, like a theory, is another definite, guaranteed maybe.
People say “I believe” because they are trying to change the world to become what they want – and they expect you and me to help them in their agenda. People share their beliefs to invent the world they wish to live in. Beliefs are challenges – and like fictitious people or gods – they are competitive.
In my “The God Murders” debate with believers, this website’s words say what they mean and mean what they say. Often believers debate in a manner that reminds me of the French philosopher, Voltaire, who wrote: “There are some who only employ words for the purpose of disguising their thoughts.”
Many believers claim and fight for individual freedom – yet – they practice and promote mental / emotional slavery to their Biblical God. They also tend to restrict the freedom of others. Many believers will go to war for their imperialistic beliefs.
In war, it is the believer who makes perfect canon-fodder.
Religion / Hope / Faith / Belief
The Judeo-Christian-Islamic religions train you to hope, to believe and to have faith in what it is programmed to hope, to believe and to have faith in.
One conflict with hope is – if a Christian hopes, he or she is not happy with what God has dealt them. To hope is to complain against God.
Both the Judeo-Christian God and the Islamic Allah demand death for not being obeyed even concerning their insane, illegal commandments. Some of their documented insane, illegal commandments are: To kill an unruly son, to kill the infidel, to kill non-virgin girls, to kill gay men. Anyone who does not view these commandments to be insane and illegal – is insane and prone to do insane, murderous things.
Religious training is slave / obedience training.
Believers are often in error but never in doubt. If you prove them to be in error, they will claim that they said they believed – not that they knew. Their beliefs also gets them out of a lot of blatant lies.
Hope is a meaningless feeling – usually with dramatic, emotional (do want) intensity – because its fruits always lie in the future. By definition, hope is never realized in the now.
To act on mere hope, belief, and having faith is to gamble.
Las Vegas gambling is motivated by hope, belief, and having faith. The agenda is – you are supposed to win often and to lose it all once.
“My belief is” often means “my agenda is.” That is why they want you to share their beliefs.
If it weren’t for hope, belief and having faith, 90% of therapists and 100% of clergy would be out of business. For the chronic hopeful, hope is the fearful, cowardly, do nothing, substitute for confident, responsible and prepared action.
Your hope is like being the second dog pulling a dog sled. No matter how fast you go you never get closer to the one in front – and the view is always the same.
The manipulator’s agenda and tools: The hope, belief, have faith agenda is to persuade you to work harder in the hope that things will change and profit you. Mostly, whoever motivates what you should hope for is usually who also profits if you succeed.
You have to ask yourself, are you encouraged to have hope simply to make you obey and do nothing or to achieve something that benefits the one who encouraged you?
Most things for the better don’t change for you because the greater agendas are designed to prevent change.
The words hope, belief, and have faith are used by the cons and devious – take the crap I am giving you now in the hope that things will get better (but as long as I control you, I won’t want them to get better.)
In other words you are expected to: “Shut up and do as required.”
When you buy into hope, belief and having faith, you usually do shut up and do as required – don’t you?
Is that NOT the way that you want someone that you tell to have hope, to belief, and to have faith to obey you?
What trains you to hope, believe and to have faith more than consequential, eternal-torment religion?
For someone to tell you these things, they are trying to make your decision to do nothing for you and for you to agree to let something or someone have its way with you.
Your “controllers” want you to accept what is going on now in the hope that good times will come. They really just want to con you to agree to let them have their way. Once you agree to hope, believe and having faith, they have made your decision for you.
The words hope, belief, and having faith will attempt to lead the gullible to a false promise. It doesn’t fulfill, but, by the time you realize it, it’s too late.
Hope, belief, and having faith are tools to keep you in the sacrifice mode.
Hope is designed to keep you from rebelling.
You can’t have hope now / today, only tomorrow. Hope is always for later or for tomorrows.
When hope fails later / tomorrow, we can only hope for it’s the fulfillment sometime later.
Do not be conned. Question and demand fairness, accountability, justice and freedom now and tomorrow!
That’s how hope works – or – more realistically doesn’t work.
When you are unhappy, CHANGE is a motivating word.
When promised CHANGE, always ask from what to what will change take place. HOPE for what? Faith in what? Change what? Believe what? Insist on an answer now!
If the hope promoter does not tell you their view of change now, they have none. They want to influence and control you.
It is crucial for an assumed authority to not specify and detail what is meant by his hope, belief, and having faith.
The con man will tell you that he is for you – but don’t you dare ask him details as to how he is for you. You will expose his manipulative agenda.
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Women don’t like hookers because they may entice their husbands or their boyfriends into infidelity. That would be a direct result of the woman’s jealousy because he had sex without her consent. But, I’ll bet if there was infidelity, the wife would have hoped that her man would go to a hooker and pay for sex with, no emotional involvement, rather than for him to go to another woman for sex – which did include emotional involvement.
The best lovers may have sex with you – but – they are having sex for themselves.
The worst lovers have sex for you because they don’t want to be there.
For many convicted rapists, rape proved to be more of a control / violence agenda than it was a sexual agenda.
Jealousy: Emotional rape.
Men may have a subconscious dislike for hookers because deep down inside, mom is still there. They weigh everything against mom. Mom is purity. Only a few men can picture themselves coming out of their mothers. Mom would not do anything like that. They resent the hooker.
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Impotency: Probably the most powerful cause of impotency in a man is simply an overaggressive woman. If she should aggressively demand performance, he cannot respond. Impotence may be the result.
Fear: A negative feeling toward getting what you do not need or want.
A secret: “Familiarity” is a very powerful, under-rated and rarely discussed cause of impotence.
Many times in traditional marriages, after a period of years, (familiarity sets in) and the sex drive seems to have worn off. The wife is frustrated, forty pounds overweight, pin-curlers during sleeping hours, and she has a set routine. He doesn’t have sex with her and she becomes aggressive. She wonders why he is impotent. He wonders why he is impotent. Edited
You are the only “Human Animal” in existence who is responsible for your sex life. If your sex life is poor or does not exist in time, do not blame others. Male or female, you are the master of your life. You were born to be the master of your life. You have always been the master of your life. To maintain your mastership, you must allow all others be the masters of their lives.
Reminder: No other “Human Animal” was put on Earth for you. Play nice.
Encourage each person you meet to become the most whole, complete “Human Animal” they can become. You may be invited back!
Social predators, religions and governments will try to steal away from you your life / will / soul.
To sell your self into religious or human slavery is not what a master-in-charge of his or her life does.
Do not confuse mastership with work, talent and labor. A master does exchange his or her talents, labor, work and trade for compensation.
The Catholic Church did not forbid Catholic Priests to marry until 1139 AD. Before that, Catholic Priests could have sex and raise families. Celebacy keeps Priests from having families and accumulating Church assets for their families. The Catholic Church just gets richer. Being an authority and controlling – by threat of consequence – the sex lives of Priests and Nuns – is a form of misguided and agreed upon slavery. The Catholic Church wants mental, emotional, physical, sexual and financial sacrifice from its believers. These poor, pathetic human beings sacrifice their lives for God, Jesus Christ, the Virgin Mary and the Catholic Church.
Spiritualism: For most, moral idealism surrounding an abstract vehicle called religion. Edited
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Computer Therapy Session In 2062
Imagine that one master computer now exists to assist Human Animals in their mental / emotional therapy. Imagine that no Psychiatrists, Psychologists, Hypnotherapists, M.F.C.C.s, clergy or any other mental / emotional health institutions exist any longer. Imagine that the master computer has stored and documented every mental / emotional problem, case and scenario in history – and their most probable solutions.
A woman on her computer is connected to “The One-World-Order-Therapy-Computer”.
Computer: What is the problem?
Lady: I came home and found my husband having sex with another woman.
Computer: Is that a fact?
Lady: Yes. That is a fact.
Computer: What is the problem?
Lady: What? I just told you that I caught my husband having sex with another woman.
Computer: You said that was a fact. A fact cannot be a problem. You can only choose to make a fact, in reality, your problem. What is your problem?
This exchange goes on until the frustrated lady yells, cries and screams: I didn’t want him to have sex with another woman!!!
Computer: That is the problem. A problem can only be a don’t-want. A do-want is not a problem – it is a goal.
Lady: (Sobbing) What can I do?
Computer: That is your proper question. A fact is a fact in reality. A fact, like reality, does not care if you approve of it or not. Others are not ill-affected by this reality. What do you feel are your options?
Lady: Well, I could kill the son-of-a-bitch!
Computer: Yes. You could. What then will become of your life?
Lady. Ok. That would not be a good choice. I could leave and divorce him?
Computer: Yes. You could. What then will become of your life?
Lady: I would be unhappy because I love him – and I need his money.
Computer: Is that a fact?
Lady: Yes. That’s a fact.
Computer: If you admit to a love-problem then you are the source of your problem.
Lady: What?
Computer: No love – no problem.
Lady: What? I have the right to love.
Computer: You have the right to keep your problem. Your misery is usually in direct proportion to your ego-driven expectation.
Lady: Ok. I don’t want to leave him. What can I do?
Computer: What can you do?
Lady: Well, I guess that I can try to negotiate with him not to do it again. I can try to forget it. I can forgive him… I guess if he does not stop, I could join in next time.
Computer: Your options are historically realistic. Your therapy is your desire to change you to better suit you. The option you choose for yourself is your responsibility.
Your session is over. Finis.
Emotional Surgery
You only have 2 Emotions: Your Do-Wants / Your Don’t Wants – and their intensity.
You constantly experience hundreds of genetically contributed / dictionary defined feelings. For analysis, you identify the dictionary defined feeling that you are experiencing and – based on a 1 to 10 scale – apply the do-want / don’t-want emotional intensity to it.
Here is a 2-step formula for you to obtain and insure your HAPPINESS:
1. Learn about yourself / your values / your emotional system. Identify and decide what you do NOT WANT in your life.
2. Successfully avoid what you do NOT WANT in your life by separating yourself by time and distance. You take away your time and you distance yourself from what you have decided you do NOT WANT.
If you can successfully avoid what you do NOT WANT in your life, what’s left? Pretty good stuff – if you really think about it.
Can you imagine what it feels like to be successful in avoiding what you do NOT WANT in your life? It may frustrate others, who expect to use you in some time-consuming way, but only you are responsible for your happiness.
This is an intelligent decision process – not an event.
It is not referring to your do-wants, only to your don’t-wants.
After you successfully accomplish ridding your time from all of your don’t-wants, you will find more guilt-free time and freedom to participate in your do-wants.
As a behavioral therapist over 30 years, I will share my perspectives on emotions. We Human animals experience only 2 types of pain. Physical pain. Emotional pain. Physical pain due to illness or injury is more easily understood.
No animal, including the Human animal, has more than two (2) emotions.
The two (2) emotions are “do wants or don’t wants and their intensities”. “I don’t want something that is” (example: cancer). That qualifies as a problem. “I want something that isn’t” is NOT really a problem. It is simply a goal. One cannot be frustrated without expectation or a goal. Misery is always in direct proportion to expectation.
There are hundreds of dictionary definitions of feelings. The emotional do want or don’t want intensity is applied to the identified and defined feeling like hate, anger, jealousy, etc. If reality goes against one’s do want or don’t want – emotional pain and it’s intensity is experienced.
Behavioral therapists look for these symptoms to identify their client’s emotional problems. Identifying these problem feelings and their emotional intenisties starts behavioral therapy. By the way, your therapy is your desire to change you to better suit you.
Emotional blackmail: A controlling technique by the one who loves least. If you don’t buy this for me – you are cut off. Little threats like this are completely self-centered, but effective with the emotionally imprisoned partner. Unless a sadist and a masochist are involved, a painful future is in store. Blackmail begets blackmail.
Emotionally disturbed people may not have mental disorder.
A person with an emotion disorder may or may not be insane.
“Insanity” is a legal term. It depicts the condition, in time, whereby an individual does not know right from wrong.
What causes selfishness… Fear / ignorance / false entitlement. Edited
What causes insecurity… Fear / ignorance / false entitlement. Edited
Fear is the cause of everything you do and don’t do to some degree.
Someone is successful because he recognized his fear of failing and works at taking the proper steps not to fail.
Confidence is knowing what you are doing and why you are doing it.
“Ignorance”: The only Devil of consequence in the universe. Fear is this Devil’s weapon against you.
Money is the only “god-of-consequence” on planet Earth.
The Bible claims in Ecclesiastes 10:19: “Money answers all things”.
Ignorance is popular. Humble ignorance is desired and habitually supported by most authoritative believers. Every time you hear the hypnotic words “I believe” which ultimately means “I don’t know”, categorical ignorance is recycled, fortified and supported. Believers, who do not know, are everywhere. Believers take pride in being believers. Ergo, ignorance is epidemic.
“Stupid”: The incapacity to intellectually understand or to emotionally accept factual information.
A high percentage of stupid is stubborn.
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Emotion disorganization leads to failure and pain. Emotion organization takes work for success and happiness. People meditate, read a book, see a “shrink” and talk to dad to get their emotions organized.
Mental-emotional therapists are often called “shrinks” because, if effective, we tend to shrink egos.
Visualize a seesaw. “Ego” sits at one end of the see-saw and “self-esteem” sits on the other end. Usually, when one’s ego is up (screaming in rage) their self-esteem is down. When ones self-esteem is up, (happy) the ego is down (quiet). The first word in self-esteem is self. One can not be responsible for another’s self-esteem. Nor can one have any power to improve another’s self-esteem. Only the individual is responsible for and has any power over the health and condition of his or her self-esteem.
The bottom-line to fear is ignorance.
The only Devil in the Universe is ignorance.
Reality is reality. Reality is not positive or negative, right or wrong, good or bad. Only “emotions” (do wants / don’t wants) put right / wrong – good / bad values on reality which the ego reacts to – usually with bias. Edited
A fact is a fact in time / reality. People have agendas. A fact has no agenda. A fact, like reality, does not care if you value it or if you do not value it.
Only an authoritative ego will attempt to sell its truth as a fact to a gullible believer. A manipulative ego’s truth usually has an agenda or a preference concerning presenting a fact. An authoritative ego wants a gullible believer to believe, accept, and obey his or her truth.
Do not tell me your truth. Your “truth” may just be another of your “beliefs”.
You may tell me of a time-dated fact in reality. I will then decide how the fact may pertain to me.
Problems make the world go around. Men like problems. They go out of their way to find problems. If they cannot find a problem, they create a problem. Men like war. That is the biggest reason there is war. When a man feels a gun in his hand and he is stalking or being stalked, the adrenaline is flowing, the nerves are up and he is really living. When he is flying many times the speed of sound, he is really living.
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When he is in the sack with a gorgeous lady he has never been with before, he is really living. When he is being unfaithful to his wife, sneaking around and getting away with it, he is really living.
When a wife gives head to a neighbor in the afternoon before her husband gets home, she is really living. Go out kill people, kill rabbits, watch football games … really living. Competitive sports – really living. Soap operas… oh, the emotion! Really living. If people can’t find a problem, they make a problem. They just must have something to live for.
It takes reality-based maturity to accept much of reality. Many, who try to escape from reality, often turn to alcohol and drugs. Booze and drugs are vehicles for people who want to emotionally be some place else. Unfortunately, alcohol and drugs emotionally and physically imprison many who turn to them for relief.
Instead of controlling their emotional system and facing their problem, they psychologically imprison themselves or they, in some manner, get sick.
Jealous people do not mind their own business. They tend to poke their noses into other people’s desires. They manipulate: Want what I want you to want – especially concerning me. A jealous person often feels inferior to what they are jealous of.
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They impoverish themselves, act childish, and make fools of themselves. They make themselves emotional slaves to what they are jealous of. Hatred can develop. They have fear of rejection, a rejection complex. The whole thing turns out disastrous for them because they are jealous – because, they are selfish. “I want that for me. I don’t want him or her to have it.” Jealousy that proves hopeless drains vitality, energy, and enthusiasm. They can become afraid, introverted and shy. Hopeless shyness is being afraid of anything with a pulse.
Proclaim yourself. Stop leaning emotionally on others. Be the boss of your feelings and their intensities by not giving power to others to manipulate you negatively.
Absorb the positive vibes from people and reflect them. Feed them, with repetition, into your subconscious.
This repetition is how you reprogram your ever-active / ever-aware genes. Your genes / 46 chromosomes are like no other’s. They are your creators and your instinct guides.
They will be with your ego throughout your life-cycle. This is the only way for your ego to perceive, for you, any personal, real god of consequence. Logically, everything points to your genes being whatever real god there is for you.
Be positive and you will be happy. Keep a sense of humor about yourself.
Religion manufactures and sells mental disease that addicts the gullible to become mind-set believers.
Why would you let your ego go into the competing supernatural god business? Is your ego trying to supercharge your “assumed authority”?
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If you take the negative crap in / crap out reflections from negative, depressed people, you will become depressed. If you feed on enough negativity and depression, you may become a sadist. An emotionally poisoned sadist feeds is chronic pain out and others react in agony to it. It makes agony for others – thus – satisfaction for the sadist. A trauma may cure the sadist.
Most orgasms are better than others.
Critic: What?
When a person is socially probing you, determine whether they are trying to draw out your strength or your weakness. Doctors probe for weakness and somewhat control you physically.
Where does that put you if someone is socially probing for your weakness?
A relationship equals 5 relationships:
What he wants it to be – what he sees it to be.
What she wants it to be – what she sees it to be.
What overall it is – in reality.
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When a romantic chases someone – they fail to be aware or acknowledge the adoring vibes that come their way from others.
A person with an emotional disorder is afraid. He is selfish, prejudiced, filled with ill-will and bitterness. He is resentful and the key of it all is that he is all of these things towards himself. He is afraid of himself, nervous (not sure of self), flaky (inconsistent emotions), selfish, prejudiced and bitter against himself. He is down on himself and does not like himself. How can he go out and emotionally survive with the rest of the world?
He should become aware of and respect his feelings – and their intensity. Not abuse them. He should be loyal, faithful and honor himself. Only then can he feel value so he can give of himself. When you are negative and disordered, you don’t give anything. Solution: Obtain the ability by positive repetition to accept all that is going on around you. Give your consent. Be unselfish and be happy.
A Hypnotherapy Visualization
Imagine that you are 5-years-old. You draw a house like a 5-year-old would on paper. This is your house. Become more mature now. You invite into your house a feeling called Jealousy. Jealously moves into your house and then Jealously takes over your house doing what Jealousy does. The house suffers painfully as Jealousy rages, screams, rants and throws tantrums. The roof lifts and smoke comes out. You try to evict Jealousy but Jealousy won’t budge. Reality sets in. Jealously is in your house for good – for your lifetime. Your house is yours for your lifetime. You will always experience Jealousy’s rage and pain. There is nothing you know that you can do about it. How do you like your future?
Jealousy lives in your house. It will not leave. You do not know how to make Jealousy leave. Nobody you know can make Jealousy leave. Perceive this fact. Jealousy can not be made to leave by anybody you know in this world. The only way that Jealously would ever leave is if Jealousy wanted to leave on its own. Why would Jealously every want to leave once it is in your house? Can you feel your endless pain and your hopelessness?
Then, you think a crazy thought. You get a strange idea. You can not move Jealousy out. But, you can move a roommate in with Jealousy and Jealousy cannot do anything about that. Then, you think: Who would want to or could ever survive moving in with Jealousy?
Slowly now… let the thought come slowly. You knowingly relax and you smile. You move a feeling called Consent into your house with Jealousy. Like Jealousy, Consent always does what Consent does.
When Jealously sees Consent, Jealousy rages in anger, gets possessive and does what Jealousy does. Consent smiles at Jealousy and cheers: “Fantastic! Wonderful! Awesome! What a performance! Can you do that again?” Jealously can’t believe it and rages in unbelievable anger: “WHAT”!!! Consent cheers: “WOW – YOU ARE GREAT!” “Do it again.” Jealousy rages: “What!” This goes on and on – until Jealously leaves your house. Do you know why Jealousy left your house? Jealousy can not live in a house full of Consent. (Finis.)
Perspective: Visualize if this situation or one like it could exist even if you were not part of it. What about (romance) politics and religion? Edited
Exercising unselfishness: Share things of yourself that you would not before without strings. Relax. Take it easy on yourself.
Don’t you hate a book that doesn’t say a god-damned thing?
Some people are emotional masochists. They love emotional pain. They love and cherish the problem that makes them live. They wine and gripe like anyone else. But, you had better not take away their cherished problem. They will turn on you viciously.
Their great, big problem is theirs and look how important they are to have such a great big problem. Do yourself a favor. Turn your emotional back on them and leave them. Your Don Quixote help will not be wanted, needed nor appreciated. Did you ever try to take away a child’s Teddy Bear.
I view that space is not mankind’s final frontier. The study conclusion of genetic-life is the “Human Animal’s” final frontier.
I am personally thankful for these “crazy” thoughts. I am pleased that I captured them in print. I view that by my experiencing these thoughts and perspectives, I’ve had a better life. I don’t think that I would have experienced these thoughts and perspectives without my crazy genes. I view that some of my contributory genes, the ones that allow me to learn, are not such bad guys after all.
Why did mankind go search for some non-existent, angry, vengeful, murderous, supernatural God to guide them when the experiences of their multi-cycled, recombinant genes are there to be tapped?
Our genetic diseases come from the recombined genes of our ancestors.
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Many people who are emotional cripples, turn off the world and turn on a crusade. An obsession with a job, sport, a religion (like a nun), or a romance is a form of emotional suicide. Socially, they limit their attitudes like tunnel-vision. Romantics love it.
People , who emotionally hurt themselves, become defensive and they build a wall around themselves. But, can you imagine the impact when you are inside that wall and hate yourself in the meantime? Knock down that wall! Reach out and give of yourself.
Love is a feeling. It is not how important as to how pretty, how big, how sexy, how tall, how much hair, or how anything else you are as long as you give the most wonderful, fantastic, unbelievably generous emotional feelings. Vibes are your thermometer.
Love is a positive feeling, felt by an emotional being, consisting of a desire for a love object or an event complementary of preexisting genetic goals.
For self-responsible, thinking individuals, who lead their lives, meditation / self-hypnosis makes more sense than a groveling prayer to a non-existent entity. Believers, the blind-faith “sheep” who follow their lives, require a “shepherd” to lead them. To examine how you think and feel about issues makes more sense than dogmatically begging to “supernatural” powers that require that you live by blind faith.
The Catholic Church once defended slavery as “willed by God”. It sanctioned and promoted the torture and killing of witches. The Church waged torturous wars called “The Inquisitions” whereby the breaking of human bones and burning people alive was its sacred, God-ordained agenda.
When you are told to “have faith”, you are being told to shut-up and to obey. Faith is designed for you to keep your feet planted firmly in mid-air.
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Hate is a negative feelings felt by an emotional being, consisting of an unwanted, undesired object or event, going against its wishes and beyond its control.
During impotency, one can only think of oneself. Solution: Work at having the ability to give and think of someone other than yourself. You may not want impotency but you may not want to give. The greater want will win.
Dancing is an outer sign of inner drama., social exhibitionism and physical expression without words. It is a form of physical, emotional foreplay. It can serve as a vehicle for shy people to feel anonymous in exhibitionism.
In social intercourse, does your partner give you generous emotions, or does your partner put an emotional or financial price tag on them?
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Emotions are the cheerleaders of the mind. You can’t win, lose, gain or anything else except in the mind. Poisonous influences cause us to see things as bad – which is in the mind. Without negative influences, we probably would have accepted them and deemed them good.
Prayer consists of emotional cleansing by positive thoughts wished for someone or ourselves. Instead of praying to a fictitious, supernatural god, we should address our genes.
The “subconscious” (lit up genes) pick up the positive seeds and like magic, we become better, happier and more competent human being. Input or prayer, is saying good things about your attitude. Your problems will relax and so will you. The subconscious takes no jokes. What you feed into it, you become. Generous, positive thoughts are the key. Edited
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Shyness: An emotional fear – a do want / don’t want disorder. Edited
Close dancing is a great vehicle for determining vibes and the acceptance level of another “Human Animal”. Edited
Virtue is its own reward.
If you claim to be virtuous and you abstain from having sex to be virtuous, that is exactly what you end up with… virtue … and then what do you got? Manikins are virtuous. Edited
Just as fear and ignorance scare people away from guns, so is fear and ignorance responsible for poor and unhappy sex lives. If your subconscious (your ever-aware, inter-acting genes) buys into negative ideas about sex, it is going to lead you to social failure. The answer is to get in touch with and to organize your feelings. Become aware of each feeling’s identifiable, emotion-intensity. Do not turn your back on your feelings – nor their intensities. A feeling, like the desire to breathe (a necessary feeling that you are addicted to) will make itself known to you.
You can meditate on your important feelings rather than praying and begging to some programmed, fictional, supernatural nonsense. Become understanding of your feelings and, by choice, work at reassigning your emotional intensities. Your feelings and their intensities will let themselves be known to you. Happiness is a breath away. Edited
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Can you open yourself up to the social riches? Can you accept your social role in life as a means of pleasure? Your social flowing in life is like your blood flowing healthily throughout your body – free of congestion – healthy and happy.
Did you ever find someone who complains that everyone is rubbing him the wrong way? Did he speak with in an irritable tone? Was his speech absurd? It was all because of his self-condemnation. He thinks angrily of himself.
In social intercourse, you may think that your unhappy experiences are because of other people. These relationships are determined by your feelings toward yourself. If you despise yourself, you cannot have good feelings towards others. If you don’t like yourself, how can you expect others to like you? Vibes are contagious in a social atmosphere and can be reciprocal. If you project feelings of prejudice and contempt for others – that’s exact what you get back.
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An answer may be this: I’ll be totally unselfish. I’ll treat others exactly the way I want to be treated. I will respect and admire them and the happy ones will feel that I respect and admire myself. Who wants to socially deal with unhappy people anyway? Unhappy people tend to push responsibility for their existence on other people in their so-called relationships. They mostly turn out to be mutually disastrous head-trips.
Love: Mutual values.
However, when the values split – people split.
If you find yourself getting hung-up with emotional cripples socially, ask yourself, am I here to play the role of the castrated, martyred pope – or to have fun? The emotional cripples will declare you to be shallow and insincere if you elect to have fun.
Work is serving others for compensation. Fun is self-serving. If you are having fun, emotional cripples may quickly realize that they cannot use you to serve them on their terms.
They prefer that you jump into their emotional pit of agony.
Therapy: Your therapy is your desire to change you to better suit you. You do not have to be sick to get better.
Visualize, in your therapy, that you are inside a fishbowl. Your world and your problems are in that fishbowl. Your therapist is outside of your fishbowl looking in.
Do not expect your therapist to join you inside your fishbowl. The therapist must always remain outside the fishbowl to be effective. Your therapist did not create your problem. He or she is not responsible for your problem. As shocking as reality is, your therapist is not there to help you. His or her job is a thousand times more important. Your therapist is there to assist you in helping yourself. Your therapist is not going to be with you over the next 5 to 50 years. If you do not desire to help yourself – no therapist’s assistance will be effective for you.
If you become aware that an attractive emotional cripple is trying to pull you into his or her negative, emotional pit of agony, don’t be a fool. Feed positive thoughts in and with a breath of kindness blow the relationship or acquaintance away. Give complete acceptance and freedom for all to be who they are. That way you feel no jealousy, no need to correct, no feeling for unnecessary obligation, no insecurity.
Unselfishness, consent to reality, and the capacity to accept other human beings the way they are – are your keys to your happiness.
Always remember: You have the capacity to accept other “Human Animals” the way they are without having to emotionally or financially support them.
You were not put on planet Earth for any other “Human Animal”. Romantics – and other emotional / financial parasites – will be horrified, heart-broken and disappointed when they learn that you know this.
Sometimes – effective therapy has to play hard-ball – for the client to win back his or her life. I never call my clients patients. I have always tried to operate as if there are no victims in my therapy practice. What reality deals us – we often have little choice about.
“Your character is not determined by what happens to you. Your character is determined by how you respond to what happens to you.”: Source unknown.
Therapy results when there are issues in the client’s life that they do not want there. I look for those issues, uncover them and expose those issues to the client. The client examines what is uncovered, considers his or her options, and then makes his or her own choices.
I am the master of my life. I view that all other “Human Animals” are the masters of their lives. If I do not treat each of them as the master of their life – I lose my mastership.
Some therapy issues can be remedied. Some cannot. All therapy clients are “going concerns”. Therapy clients must come to the realization that they have intellectually selected bad options and they have emotionally made bad choices. These bad options and choices lead to their disadvantage and to their misery. They intelligently seek assistance in making corrections within themselves so to have a happier, less damaging life for themselves and for others around them.
Visualize that in your world, your problems and your goals are in a fishbowl for all other “Human Animals” to see – without others having to be in the fishbowl with you.
Anyone may happen into your atmosphere but you choose who comes into your world.
Egos want selected others in their world. Egos sometimes erroneously feel entitled to be served, supported, and often financed by those they invite into their world.
The practice of therapy remains outside of your fishbowl / world – to best analyze it. That is why your “therapy” is often called “analysis”.
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At a party, I wish fun and success for all the people. I give complete freedom and wish them a good time. If it should include me, it’s wonderful. If not, I understand.
Furthermore, I accept it. Petty things just don’t irritate me. When other’s jealously and criticism come to me, unselfishness opens my mind. I recognize the problem to be in their mind. It is their problem – not mine. It is none of my business to argue and only the insecure will defend.
“Understanding” is an intellectual process while “acceptance” is an emotional process.
When someone complains of hurt feelings, he (or she) is emotionally stating that he wanted something that happened to not go his way. As long as he feels selfish about that want, he will feel hurt.
If he shares his hurt feelings with you, they cannot affect you unless you accept those hurt feelings as your own.
Mad or hurt feelings are initially his problem. If you sympathize with him, they may become your problem. The negative, thoughts, feelings and suggestions of others have no power over you unless you give them power. Why would you give them power over you? Leave it to those who gamble with their emotional systems. Do not sympathize with someone who has a choice and chooses to be unhappy.
People who ask for your opinion are often seeking your approval.
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There are two basic ways that “A Social Laymen” handles something – intellectually objective or ego-emotional. Objectivity causes peace-of-mind while ego-emotion often costs you a piece of your mind. When you become an emotional wreck, you some times feel that you are “losing your mind”. You temporarily lose your sense of who you are. When you become aware of this, it may be your time for your therapy.
You’re fired! Career assassination, legal financial theft.
By popular vote in a world survey of “Social Laymen”, orgasm led heart attack for relieving tension. The “holier-than-thou” moral-guilt guardians lost again.
Many people with no answers to issues – disagree and challenge people with answers to issues – only to determine how confident they are with their answers. How can someone initially agree with another’s thoughts if he or she has not experienced them or made time to objectively think them out? We tend to relate and limit another’s answer or perspective to our own current circumstance or experience rather than to expand our thinking to view a more complete picture.
Having “heart” must be deemed good – for without it – you are dead.
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Life is that precious time when we have the privilege to experience intellect and emotions before what we call death.
“Death”: The expiration of a human ego’s one and only genetic-life-cycle.
“Eternity”: The absence of time.
When we think a person dies. The “soul”, an electrical blueprint, is released from the body. Actually, the world dies to the soul.
I “believed” this when I was a licensed, ordained minister. I now view that this somewhat dogmatic statement is not valid, in reality. I admit that I now view I was wrong in my perception. I have made mistakes. I still make more mistakes than an ego cares to admit. I do try to become aware of my errors and to correct them.
Just because a perspective is controversial, that does not qualify it to be an error. Dogmatic beliefs – proven over time to be bogus in reality – are errors.
If you view that, by valid evidence, anything written in this book or on this website is a valid error – please submit your correction. If proven valid, your correction will be made – and you will be sincerely thanked:
The God Complex: An Ego delusion of having perfect power, perfect mind, perfect attitude and a perfect philosophy. “I think right! I cannot and will not tolerate wrong thinking or incompetence. My ways are not your ways. Edited
The bully with the God Complex insists: “My Ego / God is great. Your ego / god is nothing. My standards and morals are by which you are live. If I judge that you fail to serve me on my terms, I will destroy your life and if I could, I would send you into Eternal Torment.”
But, don’t forget, “I luvs ya.”
Ah, “Christian Love”! Again, I sincerely acknowledge “The God Complex”: He’s great! He’s big. He’s full of shit!
As the Biblical God proves to be the most miserable character in the entire Bible – so do many of this God’s believers – who push this kind of authoritative, poisonous, and restrictive, dogma on other human beings – have unhappiness behind their masks.
“That’s gross – I love it!” – “It’s morally distasteful and it somehow turns me on.”
Do some tattoos have this kind of diabolical effect on some people?
Another exercise in perspectives:
Most snakes are longer than others … conversely, most snakes are shorter than others. Reality: All snakes are shorter than the longest. Edited
When people decide that something is great, they fail to see how great it is not.
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When they decide that something is bad, they fail to se how bad it is not.
Emotional people can only see one side of an emotional issue.
Humor is emotional medicine designed to relax and cleanse the emotional system through a mental / physical release called laughter.
When you do not agree with something – it is because it is not true – or, you do not want it to be true.
US Government Economics
If you want to earn a PHD in economic-over-spending, become a United States Senator or Congressman. The United States Government has proven that its economic policy is not a science. It proves to be a bad form of art. There are super-bad religions, insane god-models, and super-bad economic models. The US Government displays many bad models for its citizens to learn from, follow or to emulate. Do you tend to over-spend your money – just like the US Government over-spends your hard-earned tax money?
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Income Tax
We, the Internal Revenue Service, are legal crooks. As an individual, you have no choice but to pay us.
We, the I.R.S., are a protection racket. If you don’t pay up, you will suffer consequences.
We are blackmailers. If you don’t pay, unpleasant things will befall you.
We are kidnappers. No pay means we will put you away in a little box (prison).
We are thieves. If you do not pay what we demand, we will steal your most precious, irreplaceable asset – your “unaccountable time”.
There is no Constitutional law saying that you must pay us. Just pay us – or else.
We, your government, have murderous wars to wage and mistresses to keep. Pay up!
We spend more than we take in – so pay up! Oh please! Please! Please! Please!
In an audit, we may know a code that allows a deduction, but if you don’t know it, we collect. We are your not so silent partners. We happily share in all your profits and we never volunteer to share in your loses. If you know enough or happen to ask the right questions, maybe we will help. If you do not – never! We make it as close to impossible for an individual to ask the right questions. Why do think we call it a code?
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Did you ever notice that when you get the best of one of our auditors, we simply assign another one against you? We usually win our bluffs. And, there are always many of us and, hopefully, only one of you.
We have the power. Do not resist! Resistance will be futile. We are highly trained to pick you clean. We are your greatest pimps. If we audit you and find that you have moved, you have lost your receipts and you cannot prove your deductions, we’ll burn you for all of it. If we expect your next year’s receipts are also in those missing files, we will burn you for that too. Should you cop any negative attitude about it – we hope you don’t like it! You serve us. We do not serve you. The costly infrastructure that we, your US government, provide this country is designed so that you can better serve us.
Death Tax
Howard Gould accumulated an estate worth $67,535,386 and died. We, the US Government treasury, collected $49,506,615 as to our share.
If your heirs cannot pay us cash, we will “force sell” your properties to get our cash. If the “forced sale” leaves nothing for your heirs – we could care less.
We prefer that you do not plan for the distribution of your estate’s assets and proceeds.
We prefer that you die without a will so that we can control cashing in on your estate.
Keep up the good work! The more you make, the more we take.
The United States Government: Woo the people. Fool the people. Screw the people. Edited
Our secret is: We, the United States Government, are owned by The International Bankers. These (invisible) International Bankers need your money to make US their top terrorist on planet Earth.
Oops! How did that get in there?
Critic: But, you are a retired United States Reserve Army officer. How dare you accuse your generous, loving, caring, god-fearing, righteous Government of such a thing?
My loyalty is to the U. S. Constitution – not an illegal operating rogue government. My bad.
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Hung-up people tend to tell you fifteen reasons why you should not or can not do something and not one reason why or how you can. They will tell you when you can’t pick your nose, fart or masturbate; but, they will never tell you when you can. We will impose our values as to what you can’t do and leave to your conscientious what you can do. If you make a mistake or get caught – shame on you. If you feel guilt – that’s your problem. Join the club.
Pure knowledge, honesty and acceptance would make life basic and dull and nothing to be emotional about. Mystery, fear, lies, drama and ignorance are the fascination. They provide emotion intrigue, pain, horror and trauma. People become fascinated when they see assorted ways that human beings emotionally and physically compete.
We “Human Animals” consist of evolved animal genes. Experience triggers genes. Genes trigger experiences. Some of our triggered / lit-up animal genes are active. Some are partially shutdown. Some are dormant.
Our primal, animal-genes may require us to be at war – killing others and dying.
Don’t only tell people that they can’t do something – if you can suggest a time when they can do it. For example: Do not masturbate in public. It is illegal. But, give it Hell in private. The more we seem to advance, socially, the more hypocrisy seems to be a virtue.
Murder: If you are not going to play the game my way, you are not going to play.
Suicide: If you are not going to play the game my way – I am not going to play.
Either way – control – is the motive. The “controller” may say: “I feel that I have lost control or that I am not in control of something I want – so I will be in control of your murder or of my suicide.”
Analysis: Renegade animal feelings / genes and damaged Human egos do damage.
In behavior – we do not even scratch our ass without some awareness of a feeling.
Perspective: We must, each of us, become aware of and take stock or our animal feelings – and the emotional intensity – that were created by our animal genes. Those active genes still direct and supervise those active feelings.
Through repetition, we sensitize and desensitize, turn on and turn off, certain identifiable feelings and consequently the genes that they are hard-wired to. With self-hypnosis / meditation, we re-program our animal genes – which control the feelings we respond to. Self-hypnosis / meditation can become handy.
Don’t be concerned about your ability to achieve self-hypnosis. Every belief you have is a form of self-hypnosis. Select a feeling. With repetition, reinforce your direction of that feeling. You can over-come your addiction to the feeling that triggers your desire – for instance to smoke. After you overcome a negative feeling, you can reprogram other negative feelings. It becomes as easy as child’s-play. You just have to create the will to do so. All hypnosis is self-hypnosis. A hypnotherapist is simply the operator who assists you in your ability to achieve self-hypnosis at will.
Take a moment to do a short hypnotic process – Ok?
After reading this close your eyes and think back to your younger life when you liked a car – a favorite car. Name the car to yourself. Patiently, look at the car from the front and move around the car. What color is it? Make the paint as pretty as you like. Open a door and look at the seats, the dash. Mentally record what you see.
Now, go back in time and revisit a pet – a favorite pet. Name the pet to yourself. Have the pet look at you as pretty and as happy as you could remember it. Look at the pet’s fir. What color is it?
Open your eyes. Come out of Alpha brainwaves back into Beta. Tell yourself about the car. Tell yourself or to another out loud all the things you saw. Now, the pet. Tell what its name was, what color it was. What else did you see that you would like to describe?
If you were successful at doing this hypnotic process / exercise, you have the ability to feel, isolate and identify a specific feeling or craving that causes a habit. You can kindly talk to your feeling which talks to the creator gene that it is hardwired to. Positive repetition programs both your feeling and the gene so that you are no longer addicted to that feeling. Your unwanted feelings, cravings and behaviors can be eliminated and controlled by you – the master of your life. If successful, your attitude and your health will improve. If successful, you have saved therapy and bad habit money and you may have influenced your ego / self-esteem balance. A master does not require another’s permission or authority to control his or her own life.
As long as you won’t – you can’t.
If you are selfish and it huts you or another – stop being selfish.
If you are selfish and it does not hurt anybody – enjoy it!
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Pain is not good unless you are a masochist. Then, it’s wonderful.
A social introvert may get one year’s experience in ten year’s time, whereby a social extrovert may get ten year’s experience in one year’s time.
When I think of all the sinning I have done throughout my entire life, I have to conclude that having sex with a variety of women is my favorite sin. Hummm. Gene trigger! Gotta go. Got some sinning to do.
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Prejudice
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he rich have no interest being a peer to the poor.
The healthy have no interest being a peer to the sick.
The intelligent have no interest being a peer to the stupid.
The successful has no interest being a peer to the failure.
The superior has no interest in being a peer with the inferior.
The living has no interest being a peer to the dead – except when suffering.
Prejudice is pre-choosing what or whom you will deal with tomorrow. Man is the choosing animal. Inferiors resent prejudice.
“I believe” often means “I hope”. If a person has a lot of hopes, you are probably going to hear a lot of beliefs.
“I believe” often means “I want”. “I believe” often proved to mean “I pretend”.
“I believe” often means I want to will something into reality. (This is a big one that is often overlooked.)
During a debate on “belief”, an individual once said: “I believe in Santa Clause”. I asked: Are you saying that you want Santa Clause to be real?
He said: Of course!
I debated: When you say “I believe”, I now know that what you believe is what you want reality to conform to. Your beliefs are about your ambitions. Your beliefs have little to do with reality. You have no commitment to existing reality concerning your belief. Your beliefs amount to your wanna-be inventions.
Liking or disliking someone is putting a positive or a negative value on them. Having the capacity to put a neutral value on them is emotionally safer than projecting a negative value.
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Social happiness is having the ability to accept people the way they are – but – only spend time with the ones who are good to you.
I live by my values in my life – not yours. If while in your home, you insist that I live by your values, I may not be in your home long.
A book is of value only to those who can deal with it.
It is not so hard to learn things in the future, as it is to unlearn things from the past.
Love: Putting another person’s values above your own. A fascinating copout.
Romantic freedom: We may share our bodies; but, if you want my will – my soul – my life or my cash, you will be frustrated.
“Unaccountable time” is the time you do not account to another authority.
As long as I live by – “unaccountable time” – I am truly free.
Society takes your greatest asset “unaccountable time” when it puts you in prison. Be intelligent. Do not gamble and break enforceable criminal or civil laws that can put you in prison. You are the master of your life. Understand that you are a success while you live in your kingdom of “unaccountable time”.
“Street people” may claim to have “unaccountable time”, but they account to poverty – which, like prison, is not freedom.
There is only one human being on Earth who can love you or like you the way you want to be loved or liked. You.
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Your “philosophy” is your love of your values in your life.
A typical romantic fantasizes sharing their mind, body and emotions.
Gary DeVaney’s: The Genetic-Love-Model Theory
(A “theory” is another definite, guaranteed maybe. It is absolutely true – unless it is not.)
Nobody really knows much about his or her genes.
The study of genes, what they mean and what they do is a fairly new science. James Watson and Francis Crick discovered the genetic double-helix around 1952.
Most “Human Animals” do not know about their Genetic-Love-Model. Romantics are somewhat aware of their Genetic-Love-Model but most believe that their god-daddy will send their “soul-mate” to them.
We all have a Genetic-Love-Model but we never seem to get a real clear look at it. If we are available, inclined and participating in social / sexual intercourse, many partners can trigger our Genetic-Love-Model at any time throughout our lifecycle. Romantics and most married individuals do not want to hear that. Some “Human Animals” can fall-in-love at age 90 – and some at age 4.
A romantic is usually in a zealous search for Mr. / Miss Right, someone who will trigger them to falling-in-love with their own Genetic-Love-Model. When their Genetic-Love-Model is triggered, the romantic suddenly makes the love-object responsible for his or her newly addicted feeling. The reality is, they are addicted to their feeling – not to the love-object. If the love-object’s Genetic-Love-Model is also triggered, a relationship or even a traditional marriage may develop. If either party does not sufficiently trigger the feeling intensity for the other person’s own Genetic-Love-model, the relationship may be short-lived.
When the relationship crashes, the partner more addicted to his or her Genetic-Love-Model suffers the greater sense of loss. Some romantics become frustrated, obsessed and insane in their quest of finding someone suitable to trigger their Genetic-Love-Model.
You cannot romantically or sexually love another “Human Animal” more than you love your Genetic-Love-Model. You must love your own sex-life before you can love having sex with another.
Most marriages amount to a business venture. Most of these “marriages” fail in intense feeling and / or in reality.
The greatest test of love is a sense of loss.
To the traditional female romantic: The greatest sex partner you ever will have is one who has sex with you but for himself.
Romantic: What?
If your partner has sex with you – for himself – he wants to be there.
If he has sex with you and for you – it’s called a “mercy-fuck”.
Fool: One who follows another’s morals, philosophies and perspectives that are not his or her own.
Dominance: Control of mind, body and emotion.
Philosophical warfare: Capture and destroy incompatible philosophies. A self-centered, authoritative, ego will not compete so much as to try to destroy another’s philosophy. Life is a universe more than your and my philosophy.
ADDICTION. My breakthrough therapeutic conclusion of addiction: Your genes make your nerves that create your feelings. One can only be addicted to a feeling. No feeling – no addiction. Without a feeling you would never notice the effects of alcohol, tobacco, gambling, love, sex, food, heroin or any other drug substance. “Without a feeling” is the key. Granted, you controlling your feeling is the task you either succeed or fail at. Perspective: Dead people don’t have feelings and consequently dead people do not have addictions.
You don’t scratch your ass without a feeling – do you?
You can always tell a believer – but not much.
If something was learned, evolution has taken place. Religious believers don’t much believe in evolution. You, as a “Human Animal”, have evolved from an orgasm-produced zygote and you will evolve into a lifeless corpse in a few short years.
Who? What? Where? When? How? Means Who, what, where, when and how is something of value to them?
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Trust: One’s confidence that he or she will be kept secure in their value system.
A brain surgeon performing brain surgery is paying for his dinner. An Eagle that rabbit with the warm eyes is also paying for his dinner. Morals are just traditionally assigned right or wrong values. To feel beneficial science or raw nature to be immoral is ignorant.
Psychosis, paranoia, manic-depression, schizophrenia: I know what the dictionary defines each condition to mean. I know that these conditions are allowed to exist due to ignorance. Like cancer – if you knew the cure for cancer – cancer would not exist.
Have medical caregivers ever allowed curable diseases to exist for profit? Have insane human beings ever waged war on other human beings by introducing them to – or inoculating them with – deadly diseases? Has the United States Government ever done anything so evil? You might check out: “The Killing Winds” by Jeanne McDermott.
Has the United States Government ever assassinated leaders of other countries or topple other governments or to control world politics? If you are mind-set that the U. S. Government has not, then, do not check out: “Confessions of an Economic Hit-Man” by John Perkins or “Overthrow” by Stephen Kinzer.
Religion: The first-class copout in not having to be responsible to ourselves.
For the believer, God is in control and responsible – not their ego nor their evolving, influential genes. Self-responsibility is not a long-suit for the religious believer.
Hate: Emotional diarrhea.
If it were not for ignorance, nobody would do what nobody wants to do.
Rationalizing: The art of disbelieving imperfection.
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Dream Of The True American
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Oath Of Allegiance Of Sheep
I promise to put “God and Country’s” values over mine.
I promise to fight and die for my “God and Country’s” values, deserting mine – and my family’s values.
I promise to allow “God and Country’s” to determine what part of my earnings I may keep.
I promise to let “God and Country’s” to be the landlord of my life, to live by your values, to obey your rules and to pay you for the privilege.
I promise to be religious, to keep in practice of begging, to practice feeling inferior to a superior authority (fictitious or not) and to not be loyal to myself. Edited
I promise to never complain or to comment negatively so to assure that things will go your way and that you will maintain control.
I promise to live for your approval and to create a substantial estate to leave you upon my death.
I promise to pay maximum Social Security, die before retirement in your service, so that you can reassign my number.
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I promise to be in the 95% that accept and do not understand and not to be in the 5% who understand and do not accept.
I promise to be pro US Government and anti-reason, to not question why – and “logic” – I will consider to be treason.
I promise to be insecure in my power, dependent on yours, and pay any price to meet your expectations. Because God does not approve of me, you must, I pray.
I promise to pledge to the death (mine of someone else’s) that my “God and Country” is right, just and fair – no matter what mistakes you make.
Love is energizing while hate is exhausting.
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Jaded
Jaded people are abstract and surly. They wear their personality like rank. They expect “emotional dues” to be paid by another’s’ efforts to figure them out. A maturely jaded person is emotionally short-circuited. They were hurt / disappointed and they will not display interest that can hurt again. They are pessimists. Jaded people seek “saviors” to rescue them from their chronic disinterest.
They appear as a “shell of existence”. They seldom accept an invitation without hassle or a dramatic: “No. I couldn’t”. They truly live in a tiny world. They have shallow and limited interests. They are “flaky” and display inconsistent emotions. They don’t trust their feelings. They are apathetic because they are afraid that they will make another painful mistake. Give them a million dollars or lay them and they will respond like they are doing you a favor.
It is like they suffered an emotional heart attack and the emotions can’t get out of bed. They insist you send them emotional candy, flowers and a get-well card. Their attitude is: “As long as I don’t try, I can’t fail.” Hopeless, jaded people have professional attitudes like seasoned hookers.
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Happy people value their happiness and choose not to get involved with the jaded.
If you take a thought and relate it to yourself – you probably limit the thought.
Only if you make life a procedure can complications set in.
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Responsible: Accounting to somebody else.
Are you responsible or are you free? Most people feel a stomach pit of fear concerning the insecurity of being free. Religion is man-made.
Religion is designed to condition, brainwash and program your living by somebody or something else’s values in your life. Parents enforced that you to live by their values in your life. Schools and social institutions, enforced that you to live by their values in your life. Human beings, with no identity, tend to live by other’s values 24 / 7. “Thy will be done”. Once you are trained and conditioned to accounting to someone else or taking orders, the easier you are controlled. The most valuable controls.
Other than proven science and gravity – all authority on planet Earth is temporary, “assumed authority”. Certainly the men, who have assumed authority throughout history, were temporary. The Biblical God never existed yet mankind’s animal genes use the Biblical God insanity to cover all the insane genetic guilt.
Why do many authority figures promote God?
Once the “believer” is conditioned, hypnotized and brain-washed to obey a fictitious authority / God, the believer becomes a practiced, disciplined “one who obeys”. Many believers desire to passionately believe. Many seek an authority to believe in, support, serve and even to sacrifice for. It then becomes much easier for an “assumed authority” to step in and effectively control the believer. Assumed authorities want you to believe.
Social-emotional perspective: Anyone may happen into my atmosphere – but I choose who comes into my world.
Bottom-line answers require bottom-line question.
The question is the highest form of thought.
Knowledge is a low form of thought because the heavy-lifting has already been done to acquire the knowledge.
Belief is the stupidest form of thought. It settles for its mind-set “I don’t know”.
A believer dares not question his or her belief for if they do question their belief – they prove not to believe it. If you cannot question, your thought process is paralyzed.
Believers eliminate their thinking processes by constantly reinforcing their beliefs. Their mental / emotional behavior becomes that of an automaton. Their recycled words becomes dogmatic, redundant and robotic.
This explains the paradox of belief: A believer can not question his or her belief – for if he or she does question his or her belief, they prove not to believe it. Each and every belief is a state of hypnosis. The questioning / thinking process is then paralyzed. Figuratively, a believer walks around with half his brain tied behind his back.
Hypnotherapy can de-hypnotize “Beta”. Hypnotherapy gives your mental-emotional system a chance to come out of all the states of belief / hypnosis that you walk around in.
Hypnotherapy brings you to here and now reality which is your starting point to visit your past experiences and to experience your future without it being sabotaged by the past.
Authoritative people, who are in your life, do not want to lose their control over you so they will authoritatively condemn your starting to question and to think. They do not want you to break your belief hypnosis. They want your programmed beliefs to remained intact. You probably do the same thing to selected others in your life. Don’t you?
Religion: An authoritative tool used by “assumed authority” to control the stupid.
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A cause for rejection: I feel that your feelings – and their intensities – towards me are not those I would be happy with.
Platonic: the absence of emotion. When one feels that they have lost the ability to feel concerning another.
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Intelligence / stupidity: Your timed capacity / your ability to absorb, digest, evaluate, assign a value, make a decision and take an action which proves to be of value to you.
Human Flaws
One stroke of an artist’s brush may appear distasteful – even hideous. But it, along with combination of others, may be responsible for a masterpiece.
One of the 10 posters.
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Non-Dependence
“Independence” is an attitude while “non-dependence” is a status.
A person, who is truly “non-dependent”, is uncontrollable. If he or she is powerful and non-dependent, he is usually a hero or a villain. If he is independent with no power, he seems crazy or to be a bum of no use to others. People are ultimately not interested in people they cannot use. A “non-dependent” individual may feel toward morality this: I am allowed to make mistakes. Who said so? I did. I account to me instead of others. For an emotional human being to be perfect is impossible. To attempt the impossible leads to frustration.
When I went through the Army National Guard Officer Candidate School (O.C.S.) program, our insane school slogan was:
“Perfection is our standard – the impossible our goal!”
After my graduation, I became the next “Tactical Officer” for the new class of candidates.
I have always considered that idealistic slogan to be a pledge of insanity.
I personally pledge my loyalty to the United States of America and to its citizens. I dislike and feel no loyalty to what the corrupt US Government has become throughout my lifetime. World Wars I and II may have been necessary wars. Since then, I view that US believers have to be insane, gullible and fanatical to give their lives by obeying unconstitutional and illegal orders to murder the competition of our now insane US Government’s corporate “interests”. To wage war by initiating a pre-emptive attack against a country that cannot possible be a war-threat and to broadcast lies to do so – is murderous and insane.
Former President George W. Bush murdered and damaged the lives of over one million innocent Iraqis with his arrogant, pre-empted, oil-driven war on Iraq.
Bush has since publicly admitted that Iraq had nothing to do with the terrorists who attacked the USA on 9/11 and that Iraq had no Weapons of Mass Destruction. Most of the weapons used by Iraq, were previously issued to Iraq by the USA.
Most of the US weapons, that Iraq had possessed, were expended on Iran and on their own Kurds. Bush’s public admission held no regrets for his lies nor has Bush repented for his mass murders.
Bush is videoed to say: “God told me to attack Iraq.”
Talk about bad genes!
Thousands of loyal US believers gave their lives by obeying George W. Bush’s illegal and unconstitutional orders. Many “Human Animals”, on both sides, have been sacrificed for his mistakes. Why do you think George W. Bush and his insane, megalomaniac collaborate, Richard B. Cheney, continue to live freely? The authoritative “might makes right” Biblical-God-Model will remain as long as the believers, who promote and support this Biblical-God-Model, control humanity.
Why does the US Government uphold unreasonable Church law? Religious believers hold validate Church laws while they are unreasonable. The US Government does not hold Church law to the standards of reasonableness. Does it make sense that God got mad and drown all but 8 of the human race including – babies? What about all those drowned animals and other life-forms? Is it reasonable to claim that the Earth and the entire Universe was made in 7 days? Is it Ok to kill unruly sons, non-virgin girls and gay men? It’s God’s law! Is it because it is impossible for sane people to believe in these unreasonable laws that other laws are not obeyed? Can sane people take God and His unreasonable laws serious?
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Your physical beauty may attract attention. But, it takes emotional beauty to hold attention. You can somewhat control both. Nature can only shortchange you on one.
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Christianity: Who is more Christian and who is not?
Is Christianity dangerous and violent?
Historically, what religion has been the most violent on planet Earth?
Did the Christian Crusades killed millions?
Did the Catholic Christian Inquisitions torture people on the rack, burn them alive, pour boiling water down their throats, boil them alive, drown them, hang them, murder a few million Jews during the holocaust?
Did Christians wholesale murder the American Indians so to steal their lands? Did Christians plague most of Hawaii and South American natives to death?
Did Christians enslave African for service and profit in this new country – the land of the free?
Does Christianity prove to be a violent religion to the aware, thinking knowledgeable Human Animal?
Are good or bad Christians slave-mentality fascists?
Does Christianity fight for freedom (unaccountable time) or time-confining restriction and life-consuming dogma?
Is the Biblical God the insane model for all this?
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There is a (genetic) emotion guidance called common sense. Common sense tends to be conservative (not in the Republican sense) directing all thoughts by keeping positive / negative balance control. Edited
Renegade right-brain thoughts, like children, who roam at will, are responsible for invention, fantasy and creativity.
When creativity, a new thought process, is triggered, the two “emotions” (do-wants / don’t-wants and their intensities) pressure the ego to decide. If the ego decides – yes – goals are set and an agenda begins. The ego then begins to experience do-want elation toward the agenda’s achievement or don’t-want frustration toward the agenda’s failure. Edited
Common sense tries to control renegade thoughts when stress sets in by bringing other feelings and their intensities into the mix. Edited
Confusion is many things. One of which is a time of learning and growing. Edited
Should you feel discouraged – cherish your “down-time” – for that is when you get to know yourself best. Edited
Successful people always welcome renegade, inventive thoughts. But, you must work at putting in positive thoughts so that the emotional system will be safeguarded. A mental / emotional injury or accident is called a trauma.
Your misery is always in direct proportion to your expectation.
Albert Einstein and Thomas Edison were wrong many more times than they were right. They tried often. Do you dare try?
To be happy with others, ask but never expect. Allow them to assist you in helping yourself. Expect little assistance and appreciate much. Lift yourself and everyone around you.
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Without a positive sense of humor, your genes can take no jokes. Edited
Most of my impotence in writing has been realized during this lifetime.
Sex – a philosophical perspective:
Can you perceive that at the exact moment you verbalized your greatest witticism, about a half-billion people, throughout the world, had their ears jammed between somebody else’s legs? Edited
Many great male lovers do a lot of women – like a lot of men could – if they only would. First, you have to give yourself permission to do a lot of women. If one, of either sex, is not over-selective, one will be kept busy.
Someone imprisoned by an idealistic morality will say: I won’t!
Again, as long as one won’t – one can’t.
For the healthy “Human Animal”, having sex is the most awesome sport on planet Earth. To have great sex, competent birth-control and a clean, enthusiastic partner is the secret.
Jealousy is felt when one person does something without the consent of another.
You can not lose your jealousy without giving your consent.
A person, who feels jealous / inferior, may declare that some people are so spoiled by their beauty that they never had time to develop their characters or personalities. They relate character to adversity.
Emotion vampire: A jealous, possessive individual who wants to feed on another’s attention.
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People, who are the happiest and the most fortunate, are the people whose feelings are allowed to flow in life – much like a river flows around the rocks and bends. If life flows without too much friction around the obstacles, its ego is happy. When life gets bogged down, dammed up and the feelings cease to flow freely, confusion and pain set in.
The ego may feel dissatisfied with everything and everyone around it. It withdraws, experiencing fear. Without ignorance, fear cannot exist.
When things go bad, change what you can; and what you cannot, accept it. Acceptance is your confident path back to happiness.
The reality of the universe does not need to serve us on our terms.
Confession: Putting your private feelings, secret behaviors, illegal and immoral events into words.
Taking a vacation is traveling and experiencing people, places and things without becoming committed to them. Some happy people have learned to make the rest of their lives an emotional vacation.
Visiting your family is not taking a vacation.
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Knowledge provides fewer emotional impulses than ignorance. People often prefer ignorance because knowledge leads to boredom – which provides limited emotional impulses.
“Flaky” or “fickle” is simply inconstant emotions. The emotions declare something god, flashes a negative and declare it bad. Something is right – no – it’s wrong. Inconsistent emotions are often caused by a trauma. A trauma is often an emotional accident.
Deep sleep: When positive and negative energy compete while roaming throughout the brain in indefinable, unrecoverable corridors, when conscious. Edited
Memory requires an emotion-intense feeling to attachment to a thought for it to manifest.
Many people feel that they have to burn good money to burn good emotions. Sometimes afterwards, they feel burnt.
Hypnosis deals with four stages of basic awareness. Beta. Alpha. Theta. Delta. Consider an elementary explanation of these conditions: Beta: Everyday, conscious, walk around awareness. Alpha: Day-dream, deep-thought / belief, remembering, imagining, fantasying. Theta: Normal REM (Rapid Eye Movement) / dream sleep. Delta:
There is no machine, that I am aware of, yet sensitive enough to measure what happens during Delta waves. Maybe when active gene participation can be measured, Delta will make more sense.
Deep sleep: When positive, negative and neutral charged thoughts and feelings compete by roaming through the mental / emotional system. They are often indefinable and unrecoverable when conscientious. Maybe our animal genes do their best communicating with our human mind during this time.
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One reason that men bicker and barter with prostitutes is because of the common remitter called money. Rejection has a safeguard because it is not the man being rejected, it’s the amount of his money.
Many men gain the power to have sex with beautiful women that they would never get close to without a required amount of money. Some men have “money-power”. Some women have “pussy-power”. Both get what they want and win in the prostitution game – unless the law busts them. Then, the court fines the hooker and sends her back into the streets. Court is one of the prostitute’s most costly and demanding pimps. Because of the courts, prostitution prices are high. The legal system makes the poor man struggle to pay for – in some cases – the best sex he will ever get.
Without money, how could an ugly, old man have sex with a beautiful young woman when he wants to?
Often, when a judge successfully fines prostitutes, his own mistress’s career is secure for another day.
Bars are where lonely people find lonely people and their inhibitions can be drowned by the same vehicle. If you drink, you may dull your hang-ups, morals and inhibitions. But, you will also dull your senses and sex drive. You cannot heighten sex by drinking.
You may dull your hang-ups and feel that you are sexier. In a young man, booze may dull his senses so that he lasts longer. For an older man – probably not. For some uptight ladies, it may help drown any guilt.
The mind, through healthy feelings and emotional intensity, is the primary sex organ. Impotence or premature-ejaculation is caused by not having the ability to accept what is currently going on. Sometimes fantasies that we saw on the screen or read in books are now being lived out. The excitement can be so intense, we cannot relax enough to perform. Like during an accident, we may be perfectly calm, but, really we are very excited.
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Most men feel that performance is a must. You gotta perform! You gotta perform! The commitment that you must perform can freeze you up emotionally so that you cannot relax enough to flow with and enjoy what’s going on. A man feels incapable within himself and goes into an emotional downer. He may choose liquor instead of lick her to be his escape. With liquor – he may find his “downer” worsened.
Drunks are always victims in their own minds.
A woman who behaves like an alcoholic gets none of my social / sexual time.
A positive sense of humor is the emotional system’s best ally.
Romantically, some men turn off to women who think like men – and vice versa.
Having sex is giving physical, sexual and emotional pleasure. During sex, hookers fake the emotional. Hooking focuses on trading or selling. Her time is money: “Get it up, get it in, get it on, get it off and get out!” True giving of anything is without expectation. Trading and selling always demands expectation. Illegal hooking is trading sex for un-taxable dollars. If sex was a taxable service – surprise! – sex would be legal. Check out Nevada, USA. Legal hooking is trading for social gratuities, a legal contract, and a committed life-sentence.
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Regardless of the macho image for men of: “He makes it with every woman he wants” and the: “I would never do anything like that” southern bell image, for every (heterosexual) man, there is a woman. Sexually healthy human beings need sex and do have sex physically and emotionally. People who complain about sex should see a doctor or have an affair. Edited
Morality (the attempt to control what’s right and what is wrong) of selfishness is only in the eye of the beholder. Reality is reality. Reality makes no moral judgment; only people do. Edited
Many things that we are brainwashed by and have shoved down our throats ate taught by the Bible. We are also programmed by creeds, traditions, oaths, marital and parental jealousy, school idealism and dogma.
A puritanical, prudish mother may share her programmed dogma: “I only want my daughter to have sex with her husband for marriage, future, family and babies and old age security. Actually, she is to engage in sex only for the purpose of having children. Surely, my daughter would never do anything so rude.” Edited
This old fashioned, idealistic, fantasy-prone mother still lives in the dark ages, believes in bad dogma and probably worships idols and saints.
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However, many cultures, religions and social customs still have these hang-ups and stupid morals.
Chances are, the young girl’s mother’s mother quoted the same dogma that she does – and – in reality, neither she nor her mother lived by that dogma. Often, that “blessed first-child” was so eager for life that it came out of the vagina-express months pre-mature.
God does not exist – but, the belief in god certainly does exist. After my research, my short time as a licensed, ordained clergy, and my human behavior study, I honestly have no evidence of any supernatural, know-it-all, Hell-judging God. If you buy into one of a person’s beliefs – what the Hell – you may as well buy them all.
It’s my judgment that most religious believers, concerning reality, have their feet planted firmly in mid-air.
Do you know even one Christian who proves to be a “realist”? Does he or she believe in virgin birth or talking snakes and donkeys or that many dead corpses rose out of their graves in a town? Can you or will you define “realist”?
To live up to another’s expectations of you is to allow them to somewhat live their lives through you.
Real people respond to real vibes.
All religions are man-made. Most morals are made and valued by selfish, jealous and possessive people.
If a person is to be happy, he or she has to feel emotionally free (unaccountable time). Free alone or free with a partner. Free to love, to have confidence in his or her freedom. Love is not truly given if it is expected – or demanded. It is taken. The giver may feel robbed. Edited
Moral pressure forces dumb mistakes towards marriage.
If you believe that “marriages are made in Heaven”, then, your know-it-all, in control, God’s batting average really sucks! Edited
Marriage is the first legal step toward divorce.
When their father is absent, young girls are often attracted to older men.
What are the differences in a modern-day marriage contract and an 1840 bill-of-sale that identifies who owns a slave.
Mississippi was the last US state to ratify the United States anti-slavery law in – would you believe – 1995?
Don’t believe me or any other man. Check it out for yourself.
Do modern marriage contracts impose legal forms of human possession and slavery within them; whereby, in the United States of America – one human being is legally owned by another? What would the US Supreme Court decision be on this legal issue?
Hummm. I personally thought this over. I decided that I would never sign a long-term legal contract requiring my accountable time.
Las Vegas, where I live, claims to be the marriage capital of the United States.
Fiction: “George” took a table and two chairs downtown where couples get their marriage licenses. While a bride waited in the long line, the groom was summoned to be interviewed at the table. The groom was presented and explained the legal contract to be signed there and then. Once signed, George could legally sue the new groom for half of the possessions he accumulated from this day forward and the agreement made George legally entitled to half his future income for life. The groom jumped up and angrily announced that he would never sign such a stupid deal.
That is exactly what all agree to when they sign their marriage license.
Doesn’t every legal marriage license contain a “built-in lawsuit” called divorce?
Statistically, targeting men and women from 20 to 30 years old, during those 10 years, who do you think are more social – married or single people? Who has more sex? “Forsaking all others” restricts social and sexual intercourse.
Marriage is probably the most prejudice and discriminatory legal institution in existence.
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If an individual is a 10 on a 10 scale appearance-wise and has the vibes of 3, a rocky road and a cliff lies ahead. 10 on a 10 scale vibes will be remembered and valued for a much longer time.
Mastership
I am the master of my life. I have developed a personal mental-emotional system toolbox. I adjust my mental-emotional system with my accumulated tools. I am my own “emotion mechanic”. I perform my own “Emotional Surgery” (the title of my second book). Even as a therapist, I do not carry anyone else’s toolbox. I do encourage that individuals perceive, invent and build their own mental-emotional tools for their own use.
The tools that I put and keep in my toolbox are emotionally “lighter-than-air” as they do not socially restrict me or anyone else. They are designed to lift me and all who are around me.
I like and value my “unaccountable time”. I conform, adhere to and obey enforceable laws and restrictions.
“Unaccountable time” is what makes me King of my world. Someone who resents your being King or Queen of your world, probably will prove not to be a friend.
Rank can not exist between true friends.
Life, as we perceive it, exists. Your life, in reality, exists. Your self-awareness proves to you that you exist. Life owes you no happiness. You must learn to be happy. You must work at being happy. You must earn your happiness. You must have knowledge of your social tools so that you can work effectively at being happy. If you know what you do not want, if you successfully avoid what you do not want, this assists in your being happy. Your choice of social / emotional tools is decided by you and for you.
Like it or not, upon becoming an adult, you are legally the master of your life. Your deciding to like your mastership / adulthood is an important tool. As a master / adult, your law-abiding behavior does not require another’s approval. If somebody tells you that, your behavior does require their approval; they are telling you that they want to control you. They may try to control you but the best they can do, in reality, is to assist you in controlling yourself.
Free Will: One’s attempt to get something, in reality, that one wants or needs. As long as it is readily available, and you are willing to exchange and / or pay the price for what you want or need, it is not illegal nor is it immoral to get it. Concerning sex, if another wants to have sex with you as you want to have sex with them – that is mutual consent – nothing is illegal nor immoral about it. If a third-party protests, they prove to feel entitled to a master-slave relationship.
If you decide to have a doctor perform surgery on you – you control your health – the doctor just assists you in controlling your health.
Accept others the way they are because you are the master of your life. Careful now. If you do nottreat others as the masters of their lives, you automatically lose your mastership – just another perspective / lighter-than-air tool, for a toolbox. Whether or not you put tools that you perceive in your toolbox is nobody’s business but yours – proving that it is your life and that you are the master of it.
However, a high percentage of stupid is stubborn…
Music: Positive, negative and neutral effects on the nervous system that effects each receptor individually. A popular piece of music may provide a reaction like a common denominator.
“Making Love”
If a man makes love to a woman physically, he just might end up with a tired woman.
If he makes love to her physically and sexually, he may end up with a tired woman who s no longer horny.
If he makes love to her physically, sexually, and emotionally, he just might end up with a tired, no longer horny, and an emotionally satisfied, happy woman.
One of the 10 posters.
Halleluiah! Got some sinning to do! Where’s my Levitra!
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Sex becomes to you what your mind projects it to be. You may get 100% on a sexual philosophy exam and fail drastically in performance. Work sharing sex emotionally and you may become and awesome lover – not a moving manikin.
Ladies, if you give your best and he doesn’t get it up, relax, it’s not your fault.
Guys, if after giving your best, she grabs her vibrator, relax, it’s not your fault.
Blame is the name of a no-win game. You were not put on planet Earth to please even one other “Human Animal” – and as sure as Hell does not exist – you can not please everybody.
Tradition: Commitment patterns, evolved in highly persecuted societies, by insecure, fearful people, reacting together against their environment. In a free society, it is like living in a cave. Ideologies, religions, morals, and cultures push commitments to the death as a way of life. Traditional groups react to a free society as labor unions do to independents.
“I can’t” is due to physical incapacity.
“I won’t” is do to emotional restriction. Many times socially when a person says “I can’t” they really mean “I won’t”. “My mental-emotional condition will not let feel comfortable in doing it.”
As long as you won’t – you can’t.
Test it.
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Fat, like any large ownership, has to be maintained. High maintenance! Eating, sleeping, hot, cold, comfort, relaxation, apathy and laziness may become a very big part of a fat person’s lifestyle. Perceive all the “accountable time” a fat person has to sacrifice by being fat. As a high-powered salesman has little time for administration, so do socially creative people have little time for maintenance. As long as an individual has in his or her mind a self-image of being fat, they will remain fat. Happy, fat people have had the ability to accept the fact that they want to be fat.
Over a lifetime – fat can be a large-ass prison of accountable time!
The best proven and successful tool for me is: I “FAST” for a few days when my tolerance to be fat fails. I know: You’ll probably say: It’s not safe! It’s not healthy! It’s not easy! It’s not fun! It’s not acceptable.
I agree. But, I also have learned: You cannot defeat what you defend.
Reputation: Judged habits that make up a person’s moral and legal character.
Prison incarceration requires accountable time 24 / 7. In society accountable prisons exist in the minds of restrictive believers.
Morals seem to be more plentiful among poor people – because, poor people tend to have more fears. Poor people’s morals are mostly hypocritically compromised by money – or other tangible advantages.
If you give an asshole a million dollars – you will probably end up with an asshole with a million dollars. Don’t become discouraged, he probably won’t have it long.
Should you get a large sum of money, you won’t keep it. Why?
Every emergency possible will happen to every family member, friend and neighbor you have.
Your feeling could include:
“I am over due to have fun!” These urges will eliminate wealth fast- especially when you take along family and “friends”.
“I don’t feel rich unless I show that I have the power to blow it.”
“I’ve got to gamble or invest all of it so I can really get rich!”
“I didn’t feel that I should pay taxes on wealth – after all how did they help?”
“I needed a new airplane and my dog needed dentures – because his dentures didn’t fit the first time.”
People who scream for “equality” feel inferior.
Jealousy is feeling that another can take what you emotionally have from you. One cannot lose what one never owned. You cannot own nor possess another human being. The best one can do is rent feelings with an emotional lease that can become too expensive and that can always be broken.
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When you think hate and murder, society enjoys a soap-opera and you are the only one who suffers. When you act out your hate with murder, social law punishes you. In prison, you may account to your government 24 / 7 for the rest of your life.
Suicide: Some people commit suicide when they realized they have freedom (unaccountable time) from sickness, horrible beliefs, bad authoritative models and being frustrated by not getting their way.
When your US Government claims that all the men and women who died in war died for your freedom, that’s a lie. They all died to maintain the US Government’s freedom, (unaccountable time) and power to control you and me. Have you noticed that the government is building social and legal infrastructure that keeps restricting it citizen’s unaccountable time? The government does not want you to live by unaccountable time. Time is the sea we swim in. You are to account to and pay the government throughout the time you exist.
All authority outside of nature is “assumed authority”.
Presidents, in and out of office, prove that.
When you understand a person’s emotional fears, you may better understand his or her emotional motives.
Sexual athletes, like other great athletes, have some fear of being inadequate and practice to continually improve themselves. Practice does not make perfect. Perfect practice makes perfect. You don’t have to be perfect to have great sex. You do not have to be the best. What goes on in their mental-emotional mind while having sex with you is their experience. Just be you. Having great sex is a mental-emotional-physical art-form.
“Psycho-Bitches from Hell” often make memorable sex partners. Talk about wild rides! Experiencing is not writing the script.
Sex is for fun. Sex is the most fantastic adult sport in the world. If you are going to play, you must learn the game and how to play it safely. Try to pick partners who will provide a win-win outcome. People, who only take sex serious, are not the most fun partners. Save knocking up a woman for after you are married. Vasectomies and getting tubes-tied are controllable safeguards in the sport. The genetic “need” (the addiction to a feeling) for variety is a powerful one and a dangerous one.
Select carefully – as some sexually transmitted diseases will kill you. That is a reality. Like playing poker, there is no crystal ball as to what the results of the game will be. Yet, players love the game. One successful poker rule is: If while playing, you feel that you have been dealt a bad hand – toss it in for another. To avoid certain realities is wise and necessary to remain happy. In sex, like war, tactics are only good as long as they work. Knowledge is mandatory but, having successful and safe sex is an art form, not a science.
When you feel that you are the best, you are under a lot of pressure. When you are no longer expected to perform, you can relax. Most pressure is self-imposed.
Insecurity is fear, due to lack of knowledge and understanding. Insecurity may be responsibility for the inability to accept things the way they are, which leads to emotional discomfort.
An attack is hostile action designed to eliminate what I don’t want or to change something to the way I want it.
Ah “emotions”: do wants / don’t want and their intensities. What would human life be without them? How much of the “Human Animal’s” emotional system do you think is influenced by its genes? When an animal behaves based on its instinct, what does that mean? What is old-fashioned instinctive behavior? How does an ally cat know that it wants to eat mice. How does a bird know how to fly? How does a woman’s body know when to ovulate? Hummm, could our active and shutdown genes have something to do with how we live our lives? If so, how do we figure out what our genes are telling us? Could our genes communicate with our conscious minds through our feelings? Na! God rules us with His will. Thy will be done. But, because we only have one ego to interpret God’s messages, what if our one ego misinterprets our many animal genes to be our onegod?
If space is considered man’s final frontier, I view that the study and understanding of life’s genes is mankind’s most important frontier. I view that mankind’s next major genetic and medical breakthrough will be – Genetic Medicine!
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Confusion: Not having enough information about something to know how you feel about it. Not having the ability to accept the information you have. Confusion is many things – one of which is – a time of learning.
Cherish times that you are confused. It is the time best capable of learning.
An answer means nothing without the specific question.
A good lover gives off good vibes, has a high sexual IQ, intense emotions, high sexual aptitude and most of all the desire to help you get off every physical and emotional way you can.
Respect: An expected payment of emotional dues.
Respect should be earned – not assumed nor expected.
Eyes absorb physical beauty. Vibes absorb emotional beauty. Store-manikins and most skinny runway models, display physical beauty only.
“Emotions”: Do wants and don’t wants are the sources of all goals and problems.
Emotional Goal: I want something that isn’t.
Emotional Problem: I don’t want something that is.
Love problem? No love – no problem.
Secret: To separate yourself from your “problem” – by time and distance – is an effective solution to your problem.
Depression: Emotional paralysis.
One’s social world is a reflection of his moods, hang-ups, principles, and attitudes.
Because mutual and compatible feelings stay together the longest, you can tell – and others can tell – much about you by who you share your time with.
Some people find themselves bored – because they’ve been around themselves all day.
Are you bored? Get out! And socialize.
Most marriages are over-rated.
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Divorce may be a traumatic parting of the ways. Traditional divorce may consist of two scavengers, and maybe their teams, digging at each other’s shortcomings. Divorce from love and good feeling first comes in the mind. Then, it is a matter of time for it to become legal. It is better to divorce than to live a lie.
Children need 2 parents who are married – to each other.
The human population of the Earth looks like maggots eating a rotting celestial body. It is past time to reduce the rate of production of children. Your “genetic”, maternal instinct / paternal instinct drive to reproduce yourself, if not controlled, will eat up the planet. You may not care but your future generations will ultimately suffer when the Earth’s resources are dried up. Could a vasectomy after one child begin a successful future for mankind on planet Earth? If you are pissed at this perspective, you might consider that your desire to spread your genes over the planet may promote the “Human Animal’s” – and other animal’s – potential demise on planet Earth.
For something to live – things must die. For something to live well – more things must die.
Fat people probably “love” this one. They dare not realize that more things must die for them.
People sometimes feel that they can succeed with emotional abstractions. Bullshit! True abstractions cannot be recalled nor reproduced. Absolutes are the emotional diamonds. Their substance weathers emotional storms. Abstract sand blows away with every emotional breeze. Scientific absolutes make electrical products, space vehicles and it is because you can recall unchanging principles, in time, that work. Concerning reality, social absolutes, not faith, provide smooth running a emotional system.
Obeying the 613 Biblical commandments – today – will put a believer on “Death Row”. When is the last time you killed a non-virgin girl, an unruly son, or a gay man. You are not on “Death Row” – because you have not obeyed these insane Old Testament / Torah commandments.
To write those insane commandments and to obey them is mankind’s BAD animal genes at work. As wild-dog genes have been domesticated, so has the “Human Animal’s” genes slowly becoming more civilized.
I don’t know, though. George W. Bush, a genetic animal, did recently attack, kill and injure about a million Iraqis based on his lies and deception. Like, Pol Pot and Adolf Hitler, did Bush give in to the temptation of his animal genes? Did our animal genes try to stop him?
The “best” relationship with an emotional sadist does not exist.
When you love something. It is special.
When you are truly in love with someone, it is sacred.
It all depends on how intensely you are addicted to your “love” feeling.
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Exposure dilutes any tradition, thought or theory. Love can be diluted, also.
“Familiarity Impotency”
Familiarity impotency is a genetic condition whereby a man or a woman shuts down sexually with a familiar partner due to variable levels of sexual frequency. A variety of infrequent sexual partners seems to provide the most potent sex life for males and females who have this genetic condition. Religious morality and legal consequences have little to no tolerance for this genetic / animal condition. Moralists and romantics hate this concept as they have no consideration for the genetic condition of the Human Animals who happen to occupy their self-centered, emotional and sexual atmosphere. Even if one individual is passionately in love with his or her partner, familiarity impotency may take its toll. If those variety-needed genes are lit up – it’s all in the genes. Most individuals – willfully ignorant of genetics in favor a of an authoritative God – will deny, with passion, that any animal’s genes contribute anything to their conscious moment by moment passions or to their lives in general. They ignore that we are Human Animals and that instinct is a genetic contribution.
“Centerfold Syndrome”
Many men, all over planet Earth, have stopped having sex with women. They expend their sexual energies on preferred vivid pictures, videos, and stories about their taste in beautiful women. Over time and conditioning, these men may no longer be sexually successful with a mere flesh and blood woman because their mental and emotional systems have become addicted to the feeling of perfection-fantasy. Behold – the “Centerfold Syndrome”.
Their reasoning:
There is no rejection.
Their sexual imagination is unlimited and can run wild.
They don’t require another’s approval.
Their timing is convenient.
It is cheaper than dinner and flowers.
Their impotence can be somewhat managed and conquered.
They tend to take matters into their own hands.
There is little maintenance.
There is no sex-object complaining.
It is basically disease free.
It is private and discreet.
And – the biggest reason of all – through imagination, it provides sex-object variety.
My “true confession”: I have been single and legally unaccountable to women all but 23 days of my life. I got a vasectomy early in life. I am healthy. I admit now, after looking back, that I have always been addicted to the feeling of desiring real sex with a variety of passionate women. It’s gotta be in the genes. Ah, to do it all over again. Hummm. All that great, memorable variety! And – best of all – I ain’t dead yet!
When your country is defending in war, you love your country. When your dog is in the hospital, you love your dog. When your dad wakes you up to feed the ducks, you hate the damned ducks.
The difference between rape and seduction is giving consent or not. You may spoil a rapist whole day should you say yes.
Most veteran truck drivers are probably the most courteous drivers in the world.
Aerobatic (stunt) pilots are probably the most aware pilots in an air-show.
(Many of my flying hours in the Pitts S2-A were spent inverted.)
Brain surgeons are probably the most courageous – yet the most cautious – of all surgeons.
Courteous, cautious, and aware emotional systems produce the happy veterans of the world.
People, who live in a fantasy world of faith and belief, often become traumatized when confronted with reality.
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Commitment: A pledge / contract / crusade to contribute or account to an agenda for a period of time.
Parasites love to be committed to.
The Love Parasite: “I’ll love you as long as you serve me – on my terms”. “If you really love me, you will obey me.” “I want you to live by my values in your life with me being the center of your values.”
A wealthy televangelist and his wife were flying in their private jet at 28,000 feet when he turned to her and asked, “Would you still love me if I weren’t rich?” Tears came in to her eyes and as her makeup began to run, she took his hands in hers, looked sadly into his eyes and said sincerely, “Of course. I would always love you … I’d miss you.”
If you don’t see humor in some of this stuff – you’ll hate it.
Even though a person is emotionally happy, he or she is going to get pissed off on occasion. With their social tools – they may quickly dig out of their emotional pit.
Why people lie. We are all selfish. An admitted selfish may be a turnoff. A hidden selfish cannot be judged. A hidden selfish found out may be judged a lie.
Rather than lie to someone, tell him or her: “It is none of their freakin business.”
When the US government lies and / or withholds facts and information from the American public, they use the – shut up and do what’s expected code words – “National Security”. That is supposed to make you and me cringe in “might makes right” fear, and to let the insane heads of the US government do whatever they want to us or to the rest of the planet.
As a retired reserve military officer, I am a patriot to the United States of America. As per my oath to the Constitution, I stand against all enemies foreign and domestic. I tend to stand up against our own rogue US government when it does not operate in accordance to the US Constitution, domestic or international law. President George W. Bush lost my support, patriotism, and loyalty when he made a pre-empted attack on Iraq. He has ordered assassinations in other countries. He has imprisoned people without charges. He has violated the privacy or US citizens. Those violations broke many US Constitutional laws, domestic laws and international laws. The US Constitution does not allow those illegal acts. Slick government lawyers have tried to spin those insane – might makes right – atrocities as being legal.
Now, President Barak Obama has done a 180, and slipped right into Bush and Cheney’s shoes – assassinations and all.
Arlen Specter has now publicly turned from Republican to Democrat. Barak H. Obama has, in action, turned from Democrat to Republican. The campaign speeches that got Obama elected and won him the Nobel Peace Prize have turned out to be mostly lies. “National Security” my ass. I’m mad as Hell and I dare to publicly protest.
When a good surgeon sees a cancer, he tries to cuts it all out.
Maybe, eventually, a properly programmed, humanity first, computer could best run the leadership of planet Earth. Human – “God guided” – leadership has produced an incredible body-count throughout recorded history. As long as the all-powerful International Bankers cannot own, program or control the one-world-leader computer, humanity may experience a more peaceful existence.
I am glad that I am getting old. Pass the “Depends”.
I am obviously more categorically insane now than I was 30 years ago – but – I still feel more like I do now than I did before!
Divorce: Love at first sight – hate or neutrality at last sight.
A hassle can be insecure, negative emotions designed to seek a wanted, positive reassurance.
An insecure romantic may cause hassles often to reassure himself or herself as to their importance. Their insecure self-image makes them a hassle looking for an opportunity to happen.
It is obvious that the US Government triggers my “hassle” button. One can know a lot of this stuff and still be guilty of it. Nevertheless, concerning my Government protest, I know what I am doing and why I am doing it. To object to wrong things that damage many is never wrong.
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When a lady smiles and says that she does not trust you, could she mean that, with you, she does not trust herself?
Offer a feisty proposition to someone not attracted to you and you may feel rejection. Offer the same proposition to someone attracted to you and you may get lucky. Vibes! In the social arena, what would we do without them?
Experience religions. Put into your emotion bank the positive riches and with the spade of common sense, bury the cancerous guilt, greed, envy, hate, possessiveness and jealousy the god of that religion depicts.
The more you commit to one thing, the less you experience. Experience the emotional trip of life instead of being bogged down to committed traffic.
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War
The bottom line to war is combat.
Combat, purely, is no more than kill or be killed.
The armed forces’ sole purpose is to train people to kill or die.
Branches and elements may be in support of the role of killing and dying.
That is the reality.
The morality lies in politics.
War results when the politicians fail.
The politicians determine how, where and when we kill or die.
War is the result when the politicians want something that is not – or they do not want something that is.
Politicians want things their way and they want control.
We, the armed forces, are the power that through “might makes right” forces things to go their way.
If we kill, we are heroes. If we die, we are banished to an abstract place called Heaven or Hell. (Finis)
One of the 10 posters.
In war, the most authoritative (might makes right) ego demands: Surrender your will and obey me – or I will kill you.
Surrender your will to my interests or I will punish you.
I am sorry to say that this is what I view that my “God-Fearing” country, The United States Of America, is using this war / competition model to kill or subdue the rest of the world.
WAR: Except for WW I and WW II, over the last 12 decades, our US Government has waged war on countries that would not obey US on our terms and serve our “interests”.
Question: What has been the historical agenda of the Abrahamic Judeo-Christian-Islamic religions?
Answer: War. Obey us or we will kill you. This is modeled after the documented Chapter & Verse threats and murderous deeds of the Old Testament Biblical God.
But, that wasn’t enough for the New Testament Jesus Christ. Jesus introduced Eternal-Torment in Hell if He wasn’t accepted, worshipped and obeyed.
Although Islam does not obey Jesus Christ, Islam has adopted Jesus’ demand: Obey me, or I will kill you and send you to suffer Hell’s Eternal-Torment.
Behold: The Judeo-Christian-Islamic authority / obedience agenda.
War is one or more egos wanting peace – on their terms.
War is the Old Testament God demand: You will obey Me and serve Me on My terms – or I will kill you.
Competition: Minor fantasies of killing or being killed.
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In society, there are leaders and there are followers.
Followers can relate to puppets.
Leaders project energy, power and control.
Followers respond to energy, power and control.
Successful people face rejection and continue. Failures withdraw / quit.
It is far better for you to quit than to have a feeling that is addicted to the wrong game.
Intelligence is categorical. Genetic talents are categorical. If you fail at a game long enough, you may realize that you are playing the wrong game for you. Find another that is more suitable. Failure is an excellent opportunity to better get to know yourself. Not everyone can genetically be Michael Jordan, Bill Gates or Tiger Woods.
Who’d like to have Tiger’s sex-life. If Tiger were not married, committed exclusively “until death do they part”, would his multi-faceted sex-life be ok with you? If not – why not? Take a moment to better know yourself. Is what you think compatible with how you feel?
Stuttering: Could your stuttering result when – what you think can not be expressed effectively – due to how you feel?
Does your stuttering occur when your mental / emotional systems are competing?
Does your stuttering occur when your thoughts and feelings are not in sync?
Do you stutter while you sing? If not – why not?
Does following music help you or make a difference?
Do you stutter when you speak while “under” hypnosis?
(Finis)
One may see his success a god-blessed or his failure god-damned, no in between. But, isn’t that reality, the way he wants it? Neutrality is like non-existence. It pledges no identity.
The good or the damage you do today can be forgotten tomorrow. What did you do good or bad 5 years ago?
Experiences are mostly forgotten. Experiences written about last as long as they are read. Will any benefit by your experiences after you are gone?
The Writer
Before I was 36, I had no interest to write or in becoming a writer. Confusing thoughts started coming to me and I wrote them down to see if they had any meaning. This website contains most of what that amounted to.
So, you don’t think that you are a writer – or that you ever could be a writer? I vaguely recall a story about some famous writer back in the 1800s. He went to a famous university to publicly-speak about becoming a writer. It was raining. He stepped down from his horse and carriage. He entered the building. He stepped up to the podium on the stage. Hundreds of quiet, eager students had their note-pads ready. His coat was soaked and his hat was dripping rainwater. He paused. There was dead silence. He looked down at his audience and he said: “So, you want to be a writer? Go home … and write.”
He turned and left the building. (Finis)
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Success may yield false friends and true enemies.
Honesty and frankness makes you vulnerable. Everybody takes shots at giants. People favor the underdog, but they follow the top dog.
In a dog-sled race, every dog behind the lead-dog has the same view.
Love is a special feeling of an imagined fulfillment of emotional needs.
Loyalty: Depriving many for the sake of one. Romantics love it and demand it.
Romantics and other social-vampires in life demand that you become tender and sweet – so that they can better consume you.
Reality appears as cynicism to the idealists.
A social recluse has no place to go because there is no place he or she wants to go.
“Let’s just be friends.” A friend is someone who is close enough to use you when he or she wants to.
Socially, you may remain happier if you accept another’s “maybe” as a “no”, and move on.
“Maybe” always means: “No now, but, concerning your offer, I’ve now got the option, and you don’t.”
Socially, when I want a “date”, I owe it to myself to ask for it. If her answer is “maybe” it means “no now, and that she’s got the option and I don’t.
Ergo, I have personally learned to take a “maybe” as a “no” and to move on. I will not tie up my time on another’s “maybe”. If they cannot decide in a few seconds, I inform them that the offer is withdrawn.
I must intellectually understand and emotionally accept that others do not have to conform to my ambitions. This is an example of another “emotion tool” that I have accumulated in my lighter-than-air mental / emotional toolbox.
Confusion is not knowing or accepting your own thoughts and feelings or the thoughts and feelings of others. Life is a mystery because of your confusion concerning your future. Ignorance is the fascination. If the outcome of a relationship was fully known, understood, and accepted – the relationship could produce a dull period of time.
Your boredom is mostly located between your ears.
Many marriages and relationships fail due to familiarity.
Actually, familiarity may be responsible for why most of the passion has past.
Platonic relationships are mostly relationships without emotion.
Some emotional problems amount to self-abuse-games.
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Often, people who cry and bitch about a problem, really do not want a solution to their problem, because they feel if they knew the outcome of the game, there would no need to play it.
Did you ever wonder what “and, they lived happily ever after” meant?
I could suggest some feisty scenarios but they may shock the kids.
Romantics hate it when the one who cries about the problem proves to be the source of the problem.
The DeVaney Challenge: Other than “The Myth of Creation”, can you think of one thing that the Old Testament Biblical God did good for someone without hurting someone else? I’ll bet that your list is short and of debatable quality.
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People who cannot handle reality prefer to deal in abstractions. Absolutes are the tools of reality. Good judgment and confident decisions seem to clear up most problems.
Competing wills: If an authoritative ego tries to break your will to make you obey his or her will, there may be a simple solution. Take away the game by taking away their time. To successfully separate yourself, by time and distance, from the controlling ego, may be an effective solution. It is more important for you to be “non-dependent” than it is for you to be “independent” concerning another’s controlling ego.
Many characteristics of an ego and a god are strikingly synonymous. “I am the value” – “I am the authority” – “I am entitled”. An Ego created its supernatural God to supercharge itself – to make itself more effectively heard and to become more of a competitive consequence.
Superstitious and fearful believers are gullible enough to be hypnotized to do the Ego’s / God’s bidding. To worship any Ego and / or his or her God (fictional or not) is to be a slave. If you do not want to be a slave, do not behave like one.
An individual who is depressed, hung up and uptight, will continue to be so as long as he or she reinforces it. Bitching is a habit. One has to stop bitching to one self and others to break the habit.
An individual who is emotionally disordered with bitterness will always claim justification for his bitterness, Bitterness leads to social vengeance. Miserable people often do not know nor care if they make others miserable.
By the way, who was the most miserable, jealous, angry, vengeful and murderous “character” (fictional or not) in the entire Bible? God.
Believer: What? You are going to, Hell!
There exists Biblical C&V evidence – if you believe what the Bible documents.
Believer: Oh yeah! Where?
I’ll bet that you will not check out: “The God Murders” at: thegodmurders.com
Believer: I can’t. The title frightens me.
If you disagree, who do you view to be the most miserable, jealous, angry, vengeful and murderous character (fictional or not) in the entire Bible?
Can you produce any Bible C&V evidence to prove / support your claim?
I view that the God of the Bible (fictitious or not) is not a good God and that the Bible is not a good model for humanity. It is time that mankind became civilized enough to retire this insane God model to the Smithsonian Institute Library as the worst model in history for mankind.
Do you think that I just won over the “Bible-Belt” with that view? Ok, don’t believe me or anyone else. Read the Bible for yourself and see if any of the controversial C&Vs jump off the page for you. When I first was a licensed, ordained minister, I did not see them either. Then I came across a book: “Religion Without the Bible” by Paul Winchell.
Because I had met Paul once, I read it. My Gawd! All those controversial Bible C&Vs! I was hurt, shocked, depressed! My God could not be wrong! I could not be wrong! I bought a huge, big print Bible. I read and highlighted the Bible cover to cover. I did a book report and shared my findings on: thegodmurders.com website. I cross referenced the Torah, the KJV and the Catholic Bibles. All the Bibles basically documented the same horrifying facts. I stopped being a licensed, ordained minister. Would you rather I were a hypocrite?
Rejection: Refusing to acknowledge or accept another’s identity or his desires.
The Sniper
“One Shot – One Kill”. A US military sniper is trained to kill other “Human Animals” for our United States Government. The training motivation is: “If you kill him, you are preventing him from killing your buddy. By killing him, you are saving our troops.”
The triggered / activated sniper’s animal genes shout-out in murderous rage: “I’m gonna git some!!! I can kill another maggot human being. I just need permission and they are all dead men.”
Bambi
As a child of 4, my young, animal genes raged to kill things. I got my first Bee Bee gun and murdered a Godzillion birds and frogs – well anything alive, small and that moved. I felt elation with each shot – disappointment with each miss and no conscience nor regret when I saw each target go through its death-throw. The dead were trophies. I played army – good guy / bad guy – cowboys and Indians. Those “injuns” never had a chance! And, I single-handedly, won the war against the “Krauts” and the “Japs”. I demonized them as I fantasized killing them while shooting trees. We lived in the country. My addiction to my feeling to kill things grew and I got shotguns and rifles. During the 1950s I killed bushel-baskets full or ducks, geese, rabbits and in 1961, I stopped after killing 61 squirrels. Stopped hell! The season was over.
When I was 13, I shot my first Bambi. He ran from me. I shot my 16 gauge shotgun slug through him and he dropped. I was elated! I ran up to see him lying there – with his head held high and proud. He looked at me with kindness, understanding and forgiveness. I bawled. I shot him again to get him out of his misery. His head dropped. Then, it rose again. My Gawd, I saw love in his eyes. I bawled and bawled. Then, with each heartbeat, his head jerked slowly and gently to the ground. He lay there, stopped breathing and his eyes turned cloudy. I bawled. My dad yelled Did you get him, son? Yes, I bawled.
I killed my second Bambi 20 years later near Solvang, California. I was at a higher elevation when Bambi walked into a clearing following his doe. Using my 8 mm German Mauser, it was about a 300-yard shot with open sights. At that distance, the deer’s silhouette was much smaller than the front sight. The first shot, the bullet hit the ground behind Bambi, just over his back. He just stood there. I dropped the sight-picture slightly, lightly squeezed the trigger and put him down. After running the 300 yards, down hill, I pulled my 357 Colt Python Magnum and rapid-fired 3 bullets into his brain. I did not want to watch him suffer.
I joined a Los Angeles combat pistol team. We shot human silhouettes for score. With assorted shotguns, I shot trap, skeet, bunker-trap and duck-tower.
Once actor, Robert Stack, and I were shooting bunker trap. The clay pigeons go out about half again as fast as regular trap. Stack, when younger, had been a national skeet champion. When he saw my Browning Auto-Five, he lit up. “Gary, you have got to let me shoot your gun. I cut my teeth on an Auto-Five. Here, shoot either one of my guns.” Bob had a $16,000 Beretta and an $18,000 Parrots. He loved shooting the Browning. Due to his superior gun, I loved beating Robert Stack for the round.
What’s my killing point? As a hypnotherapist, I have become sensitive that my genes have evolved, changed, lit up and shut down throughout my life. One does not scratch his ass without a feeling.
I view that our feelings are our two-way communication with our instinctive, inherent, influential, behavior molding genes. I view that we all have the same animal genes and that when certain genes are active / lit up – our feelings rage with emotion intensity. When our others genes become weak or dormant – the intensity of those feelings shut down.
I view that during my genetic life-cycle, my triggered, lit-up-genes strongly influenced my feelings and I behaved as I did.
My “Genetic-Love-Model”, my sexual appetite for a variety of ladies, my lack of paternal instinct and other factors, I attribute to my genetic makeup and its evolution.
Yes, there is nature and there is nurture. Environment does trigger genes.
Many of my genes are shutting down as I age. I no longer lust to murder animals. In fact you could not pay be to kill another deer.
Hummm, but, then again…
My intense desire to kill animals is gone. I now personally feel negative towards killing much of anything.
However, I still love to shoot any weapon available. I own many.
I know that we must eat. But, I am not killing them. I recognize now that my genetic nature had the killer profile to become an excellent assassin, a sniper.
Now, I would not kill another “Human Animal” unless we were on the defense and at war. Then, I would willfully activate those genes / feelings and I would become the professional killing machine that I was militarily trained to be.
I joined the Army National Guard in 1961 when I was a senior in high school at age 17. Viet Nam kicked up about 1964. Johnson lied about “The Gulf of Tonkin” attack to get the US into a shoot and bomb war.
Eisenhower’s warning about the military industrial complex was starting to play out. Most of the Army National Guard and the Army Reserve were not activated for Viet-Nam because the US Government had all the willing “cannon-fodder” it needed due to the existing military draft.
I was a sergeant E-5 in 1965 and I volunteered to go active for Viet Nam. The recruiter said that because I was a National Guard / Reservist, they would have me go active as an E-3 PFC. My ego was used to leading men. I passed. I got my commission in 1969 and retired in 1983. If my killer genes had their way in 1965, there probably would have been a lot more Viet-Nam causalities – including myself. How do Americans feel about the Vietnamese today? Why did the United States of America kill so many Vietnamese? Why are we still killing Iraqis after we have killed and injured over a million Iraqis? This is 2010. After 8 years, knowing that we attacked Iraq based on our trusted Government’s lies, why are we still there?
“Thoughts of a Social Layman” contains a collection of thoughts, experiences and perspectives of a career member of the US military reserves, a licensed-ordained-minister (turned educated Atheist) a hypnotherapist, a writer and a SAG actor. I know what some might say: “What combination could be more messed up?”
In 1977, I joined the Screen Actor’s Guild (SAG). After I graduated from high school in 1961, I flunked out of college twice.
I did get an associate degree from the University of Delaware in 1965 in agriculturalengineering.
I never used the degree. I sold life and health insurance and was in management for a large life insurance company from 1965-1975. During a company reorganization, an agency I was to manage, merged with another agency.
I quit! I had not taken 2 vacations in 10 years. I did not realize how much I hated the business until some time after I left it. I had some money saved.
A friend, in Hollywood, offered me a chance to be an extra in a major motion picture. I did it and I got hooked. I did it mostly to meet exciting women. Man, did it work!
By signing with a couple non-union extra casting companies. I did 26 films as an extra. While playing a cop on “Man from Atlantis” (Solo Productions) the director gave me some lines. I got my SAG card. Due to SAG regulations, I could no longer do non-union extra work.
So, I got a theatrical agent, a commercial agent and attended acting workshops to learn how to act. My biggest motivation was to stop being terrified every time I performed a script or improved on camera.
I don’t think I had a profound thought until I was about 32 around 1976. Then, a flood-gate opened.
Suddenly, profound thoughts were overwhelming. I wrote many, which became the texts of my two books: “Thoughts of a Social Layman” and “Emotional Surgery” that I published in 1980 and 1982.
In attempts to determine where these “thoughts” were coming from, I tried to be hypnotized a few times. I went to The Hypnosis Motivation Institute in 1980 to learn how to BE hypnotized. Nobody could get me under. I did not understand hypnosis. I enrolled in the H.M.I. training to become a hypnotherapist. During the first class, we observed some hypnotic inductions. The instructor requested a volunteer to hypnotize another classmate. With my acting workshop and on screen experience – naturally – I quickly volunteered. The subject dropped like a lead pipe. Over the next few years of schooling and internship, I became a registered hypnotherapist. As a hypnotherapist, I have now assisted select clients for almost 30 years.
In a 1982 audition, I was selected for a California Bank commercial with Gary Grubbs as my scene partner. The commercial won a “Clio” – the “Oscar” of commercials. It surprisingly launched my public recognition to a point of personal discomfort. Gary Grubbs went on to do some fine and memorable work in Los Angeles. Upon seeing his performances, I would call him on occasion and tell him how proud I was of him.
I was invited to an awards ceremony because someone put me in for an award. A video company had us say a few words on camera with a hand microphone. After I spoke my sincere gratitude for my statue, the actress behind me said she would be more comfortable if she were interviewed. The producer asked me if I would interview her. I was hired to be the interviewer for a variety of shows over the next few years.
After Clicking on above Celebrity Photo Gallery link – click on Lucy’s picture.
The sleight taste of “celebrity” was enough for me. I left Los Angeles to live in Las Vegas and became much happier being anonymous. I had tasted the “prison” that celebrities were in.
Actors like Clark Gable, Paul Newman, Brad Pitt and others could never live by “unaccountable time” while in public. Neither could the President of the United States. He is probably in the biggest social prison of all as he has little to no “unaccountable time”. They cannot move around freely without fans and curiosity seekers picking at and demanding of them.
In public, celebrities have “power” but they have no “freedom”. For me, it was fun for a while. The women were awesome! But, I got over myself and preferred anonymity in Las Vegas.
I have taught acting workshop and on occasion, I still attend one because I still love to act out cold-readings. But, to memorize and to act them out – – – forget about it.
On occasion, I am asked to speak on topics that are on my “The God Murders” website. Some that were videoed are on YouTube. Because, it is my material, I do it … on occasion.
When attending class reunions or other public forums, I am often asked about my acting career. My usual comment is, “I am no actor and I have 50 films to prove it.” I may have heard that somewhere. Due to the approximate number of 50 film and TV shoots, I have used it.
Enough! I do hope that book II is better.
Gossip: To speak of a questionable moral event; to seek out a reaction to weigh against your own.
Society is purgatory or paradise for the impressionable.
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Love: A consciousness of illogical feelings. If another’s feelings binds and holds you without your consent, his or her love is called your sacrifice.
The difference between rape and seduction is consent. True rape cannot take place with consent. While married, does law consider that consent is assumed?
Absolutes can shatter fantasies and dreams.
Throughout history, love has made certain women lose their heads. How about the wives of Henry the VIII? Without “love”, certain women could have kept their heads.
As the body has a fluid called blood, the mind has an energy called love. How do they continually seem to replenish themselves?
Could it all be in our “animal” genes?
Learn to give what affection you have without expectation and watch it grow. If you give it freely and not trade or sell, you will be free.
A one-man dog who acknowledges his master only, and will deal with no other, has little value to others in society. In society, a completely loyal individual to one person, especially of great attraction, may not be too positively popular due to the jealousy and envy of others.
Concerning Reincarnation
I perceive: Your life was born thousands of years ago. Through your inherited, evolving genes, you evolved into the life-cycle you experience today. As long as you procreate children, you reincarnate yourself and your basic, mainstream, genetic life will continue. Your personal ego and experiences expire – except for the experiences and talents your genes tend to remember in your offspring.Gary DeVaney
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How to handle a masochist: If a person is truly happy in being miserable, sincerely rejoice I his misery.
Neutral, low intensity feelings are bore. Social intercourse seems to be enjoying or abusing the mind and body.
When a woman tells you that she wants a “platonic relationship”, it means that she wants to be neutral about you rather than be emotional with you.
In essence, she does not feel or want to feel emotions towards you. It may be because you are not black, you are not tall, you are not rich, you are fat, you smoke, you smell. Whatever her reasons are, they are her reasons and she has a right to them – and you don’t.
There are numerous wonderful women on planet Earth who would want you and love you exactly the way you are – if you would only – get over yourself – and give them a chance.
Some will be attracted to you because – it is all in their genes.
Confidence, again is: Knowing what I am doing and why I am doing it. It is a feeling that things are going my way and that I can handle things that are not.
An extrovert feels there are no strangers in his life.
An introvert feels that all are strangers.
Some forms of power are: Physical (strength / beauty), mental (intellectual), political, financial, sexual, and emotional. Edited
A Favorite Story
I lived in a 670 unit apartment complex in Los Angeles in the 1970s. I bought the Squirrel Monkey for about $300 at a pet store. I would let him play outside in the trees within the complex knowing he could not resist beer and milk to retrieve him.
One day my friend Ron Shanan who produced the movies African Safari and Rivers of Ice and Fire was in his apartment editing when he noticed my monkey up a tree. A 20-pound mean Morris type cat was crouched between 2 trees stalking the monkey. Ron reported that the monkey caught the cat day dreaming, ran down his tree, ran over and slapped the cat on the ass. The cat jumped up and did a 360 in the air and then chased the monkey up the other tree all the way to the top. The 20-pound cat was pissed and determined to get the little 2-pound monkey. At the top of the tree where the branches tapered to small twigs, the monkey turned around and went face to face with the cat. The thin branches were bending and the cat was suddenly panicking. The monkey shook the tree branches expertly and the cat cried out the essence of: “Oh shit! Oh shit! Oh shit! slipping all the way down the tree to the ground and ran away.
About 15 minutes later I came out with beer in a Champaign glass. The little guy came out of the tree onto my shoulder and back to my apartment. Ron told me the story later that day.
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Apathy is the response to boredom. Boredom is neutral interest.
Courage is to face your fear and adversity.
When you are dealing with an individual with hidden jealousy, remember that he or she is wearing a mask between you and their tears. Their tears are inside because they hurt, they are mad. Things are going their way and they are selfish.
Jealousy sees no threat in old fossils.
An easy-going person prevents matters from going to extremes.
Thought: An abstract picture in the flow of time.
All inventions start off as a lie, a belief. Once successfully invented into reality, it was no longer a lie because it became real.
People who say: “I believe” are people who lie in their attempt to invent their own reality.
“I believe” often means “I pretend”.
A believer tries to invent his (or her) reality to suit himself. The believer wants to be the authority over the belief. The believer wants you to conform, support, promote and obey his belief. Most personal beliefs, when tested, prove to be lies. Most believers have their feet planted firmly in mid-air.
Prostitution verses marriage: Is she interested in the man or his cash box?
Loneliness: Being the only passenger on the train of life.
At the Hypnosis Motivation Institute (H.M.I.) on Monday nights, we Hypnotherapists would have meetings with the Staff Psychologists to discuss our cases.
Once, I recall writing:
Loneliness: An attitude – of putting yourself on a pedestal or in a pit – armed with principles – surrounded by a mote of standards – head hanging in self-pity – watching others above or below – intentionally veering away.
Somehow, to me, that still seems very descriptive. What would you write about “loneliness”?
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A person who loves you will leave something in your possession just to feel attached.
“The God Complex” is for one to say that he is superior and that you have no right to have your own way. “The boss is never wrong and right or wrong, I’m the boss”. “I may not be always right but, I am never wrong”. “Me boss – you punk”. “It’s my way or the highway because I have more power than you – and hope you don’t like it”.
Separating yourself from this “boss” by time and distance may be your best solution to your “problem”.
An insincere dieter cannot wait to lose weight when he or she has a full stomach.
Women are going to continue to face unwanted pregnancies. That proves to be a reality. The choice is to have it or to abort it. Anti-abortion people should give their address and receive the un-aborted children as they come, without choice, because that is exactly what they are demanding of the pregnant woman.
To demand sexually healthy “Human Animals” to abstain from sex is about as insane and realistic as worshipping Godzilla.
Flowing vibes may cause someone to say that he or she has known you forever – after just a few minutes.
It could be in the genes.
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A social crutch for happiness: I’m only three days away at any time from my mistress.
The fastest way to come out of social depression is to allow anybody to be anything they want to be.
Being positive about hassles: At least I am getting plenty of practice handling them.
Suicide is performed by people so failure-ridden as to their goals, they feel they must be successful at something.
People pay entertainers and dramatic actors to make them laugh and make them cry, make them mad and happy. Accepting the fact that they have these needs to be fulfilled, isn’t it understandable why they make society a constant soap-opera?
A sadist tries to promote fear, pain and hate in others to compliment the fear, pain and hate in himself.
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Poisoning others’ emotional systems feeds his poisoned emotional system. He wishes for others to drown in sorrow and pain as he has.
By allowing him to tear you down, you are allowing him to keep himself torn down. Help a sadist. Ignore him.
Your morals are only as consistent as your feelings towards them. Fear is the primary enforcer. If you abnormally hold the fear after maturity, you may experience an unhappy married or unmarried sex life.
Humor is a cure for tension.
Orgasm: Physical humor.
Confidence. The battle banner: Confidence is emotional strength and control. The more confident sometimes conceals his emotional weapons so the opponent puts his emotional weapons away.
The lesser confidant usually backs down unless his torn emotional system desires further punishment. A confident opponent may cause fear in an insecure, emotional person.
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Most thinkers don’t like to be given answers. They like to be mind-provoked to find their own answers.
Most believers don’t like to be given answers for most believers are already mind-set.
Guilt: Feeling liable for penalty or persecution. Nobody has the power to make you feel guilty. It is the condition of your own thoughts and many times false beliefs. Blame is the name of a no-win game.
Social-paths and psychopaths rarely feel guilty.
When a social-path or a psychopath comes to therapy, the result can be that they become a better social-path or psychopath.
If a person is bad, declare him selfish and see if it fits. If a person is good, declare him selfish and see if it fits. Selfish people perform great accomplishments.
If you fight like Hell of us, you are a hero. If you fight like Hell for them, you are a crazy fanatic.
Sometimes the simplest perspective gives the most profound meaning to the seasoned emotional system.
Two kinds of leaders are those who worry about their image and those who get the job done. One constantly looks over his shoulder, the other never does. One concentrates on looking good, the other concentrates on responsibility down through his subordinates. The latter experiences more success.
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A social success becomes independently happy through courage and wisdom. A social failure becomes independently obstinate through fear and ignorance.
I expect the best in life to come to me because, although I am cautious to avoid what I know I don’t want, I am open and receptive to what I do want. Because I declare money and other riches good, every time I turn around, they come to me.
The amount of money another has may be an insult to your ideals. But, if they are content with their money, your ideals don’t much matter to them.
Every rope has two ends; everything you own is tied to you. Big ownership requires high maintenance. High maintenance eliminates unaccountable time.
Hoarding is one’s addiction to a feeling that one must accumulate selected things. Hoarding becomes a hobby or religion to some who are obsessed with maintaining their accumulation. Hoarding and other hobbies take up unaccountable time. When an unrelated opportunity comes up, the redundant habit of hoarding often strips the individual of the new opportunity. On some level, the hoarder expects you to feel the same as they do concerning their accumulation, but they are possessive of it. If you threaten to take their junk to the dump, they will take it as if you threatened their very existence.
Love lifts, gives and frees, not restricts and condemns.
When somebody loves you, their love for you is all in self-interest. They are interested in you only while they are interested in their feeling of love for you. They are not addicted to you. They are addicted to their feeling for you.
It is good to have emotional downers. Cherish your “down-time”. That is the precious time that you get to discover yourself.
Morals are man-made rules designed to protect and safeguard what he wants.
Time: Thoughts and experiences of places and events. Time is the sea we swim in. Without experiencing some intensity of emotion concerning a thought, most thoughts are not remembered.
Past: Time thoughts have experienced with enough emotion intensity to be remembered.
Your memories of an event may be different from other’s memories of that same event because your emotional intensity was different from theirs.
Future. Time that your “mind” (your mental-emotional-genetic system) has not yet experienced. Edited
“Idiot-savant” talents have proven that gene (past life) memory contributes to current human behavior. In hypnosis, “Past Life Regressions” (PLR) may simply be the activation of gene memory. Feelings and visions surface for the client to experience and interpret.
It has always amazed me what comes out of a PLR session. Sometimes a solution to the client’s problem surfaces for the client.
I view that the hypnosis process can put “Beta” (belief) on the back burner long enough for “Alpha Expansion” (thinking) to take place. Some come out of “Alpha Expansion” totally refreshed because their belief-mind came out of its mind-set trap. I view that every belief is a separate state of hypnosis. Just to de-hypnotize “Beta” is very mentally and emotionally therapeutic.
Many of the client’s mind-set beliefs were not built over-night. A hypnotherapist can watch a client come out of their session with a calm, peaceful, relaxed look and while coming back into BETA, they again begin feeling the traps of their beliefs. All hypnosis is self-hypnosis. If the client learns to put himself or herself into the Alpha realm, they can eventually break the hypnotic beliefs that are keeping them miserable.
Hypnosis-Anesthesia
(I was not going to do this – but it may assist someone who finds that he or she can.)
“Therapy” is like popping a boil. “Hypnotherapy” does it without the pain.
“Hypos-anesthesia” is an hypnotic induction process for someone who desires to control his or her pain.
Perceive that there are four observable brainwaves: Beta, Alpha, Theta and Delta.
Perceive that in Alpha, one has abilities that they do not have in Beta. Perceive that we do not have the same powers when we are asleep as when we are awake. I view that in hypnosis, the only ONE thing that somewhat goes to sleep is one’s strong-willed ego. Everything else mentally, emotionally and probably genetically, actually wakes up to an amazing awareness.
Ok, here goes for those of you who have not tuned-out. I have personally succeeded in my pain-control with “hypos-anesthesia”. I will mechanically take you step by step through a recalled experience.
I met a very high-strung, successful lady at a LIFESPRING seminar in Los Angeles California in the early 1980s. She became a hypnotherapy client. Her husband, a former marine, I will call L, appreciated my services and invited me to go fishing in his boat off the coast of Santa Monica.
It was about 6 AM on a Sunday morning when we trolled for Bonita. I hooked one about 12 pounds and got the fish in the boat. The bent pole was secured as the fish flopped around the deck. I reached down to retrieve the hook, which was the size of a small gaff-hook, and the fish spit it out. The tension of the pole snapped the hook up into my right hand, and buried it, barb and all, into my first-finger palm-knuckle. About an inch of the huge hook and barb was imbedded to the hilt into my knucklebone.
L noted the bloody situation and calmly asked me what I wanted to do.
I considered my options. Hummm. Go back in and ruin the fishing trip. Go to the emergency room on a Sunday morning for a large expense, shots and probably stitches.
I asked L for his pliers. I tried to remove the imbedded hook – which produced excruciating, unbearable pain. I put the pliers down. I considered trying to push the hook through the knuckle, but severe pain made me quickly realized that was not the best idea.
I said to L, “Give me a few minutes.” He bottom fished, smoked his cigarette, and watched quietly. I went into my practiced self-hypnosis process – which I will describe.
To process, you may create an imaginary center. Your center. Some processors typically pick a mountain-top, a meadow, a cabin – anything that you care to fantasize. It is your process and you may visualize anything you choose, the more unrealistic and improbable the better, to relax reality and to activate the process. This is designed to help you control getting out of your Beta and into your Alpha brain-waves.
In my fish-hook incident, I processed. I closed my eyes and I visualized that I stepped onto a 5-step down escalator. I rode it underground as I slowly counted down 5 – 4 – 3 – 2 – 1 – 0 and I stepped off.
I walked to a huge double-door elevator. When I pushed the button, it opened and it was like a tornado of smoke, trash, papers and confusion swirling around. I always seem to experience this. A simple wave of my hand stopped it.
The elevator was round and all glass. I pushed the top floor # 25. The first # 1 floor that I counted launched me and the elevator up leaving the Earth, passing the Moon and the Sun. Counting number 2, I passed some galaxies. The colors are as vivid as any painting possible. I slowly counted up, passing entire Universes to 25. At 25, the elevator stopped and opened up to a small, luxurious room in the vastness of space.
As the elevator door opened, again a tornado of smoke, trash and papers seemed to fly around the room. (I don’t know why that always happens.) A deliberate wave of my hand calms it. I am in control. The room is perfect. If I choose to change anything – it takes a simple wave of the hand. There is a bed that I have never used. There is a strange chiropractic looking table / chair and most of all there is “Gornig“.
The Sutphen Seminar Training (SST) was another $300 / weekend hypnosis training that I attended. Let me try to recall now: Friday evening was from 7 pm to about 2 am – 7 hours. Saturday was from 8 am to about 2 am Sunday – 18 hours. Then we started again about 8 am to about 9 pm – 11 hours. Wow! That was a 36 hour weekend! It went quickly! Actually, I attended it twice because during the first seven (7) hypnotic inductions – I went nowhere. I could not understand how to be hypnotized. Everybody else (300 people in the room) dropped like flies. I could easily hypnotize others, but, I could not be hypnotized. During the second $300 weekend and after another 4 hypnotic inductions – I finally broke through.
During one of the processes, we were encouraged to get in touch with our “guides”. After many attempts and frustrations, there finally appeared “Gornig”. It took some patience to get the name “Gornig” or is it “Gornic” out of him.
What is a “Gornig”? So, I settled on “Gornig”. “Gornig” was surprising in that he was small, aged, wrinkled, always smiling, maybe Irish, with awesome eyes of humble wisdom, knowledge, and understanding. He always smiled lovingly no matter what my crisis was. He never spoke when I expected him to. When he said a few words, or asked a question, it usually ended up having a simple, yet important meaning to my concern.
Sometimes I willed “Gornig” to look like Sissy Spacek when I gave him a hug.
Also, there was Doc Virgil Hudson, my childhood family doctor. He died when I was about 25. His smiling, all-knowing demeanor was likable and effective. I have always like Doc Hudson.
Back to the small “gaff-hook” in my hand. I gave my hug to “Gornig” and Doc Hudson emerged through the wall.
Outside the large picture windows was the most spectacular vision of space that I could imagine. This was my “chosen” center. I can get work done here. I was home.
Doc had me sit in the disfigured chair-table – which, once situated, strangely seemed to fit me perfectly. I was totally comfortable. He smiled knowingly while examining my hand. A large TV screen suddenly appeared and it showed my hand from all angles with the huge fish-hook deeply imbedded into the knuckle.
Doc said: “Imagine your hand, palm and finger lighting up around the fish-hook.” The monitor showed the area getting brighter with a white light. Imagine putting horizontal strings across the problem area. Now put vertical strings in the area. Have all those strings ooze Novocain, Zylacain, Fartocain, endorphins – and any other pain killers you can imagine. He said, “Make it brighter.” I willed it to be brighter. “Brighter”, he said. Then it became so bright the room was totally lit up and it hurt my eyes. Doc said: “Now, shut it off”. I said, “What?” Suddenly, there appeared a simple light switch. I reached over and switched it off. The entire treated area went onyx black. He said, “You see, there is no pain. Now, take the pliers and take the fish hook out of your hand.” I got anxious and I thought, “Man, this can’t work! What if I’m fooling myself.” Doc just smiled, knowingly and said, “Take the pliers and take it out.” “There is no pain”. I started saying, “There is no pain! There is no pain!” I opened my eyes, took the pliers, and grabbed the hook. I started to pull. “There is no pain, there is no pain.” It was like picking up a 30-pound barbell. I kept pulling. “There is no pain.” The hook did not budge. I pulled harder, and harder. Finally, the tip of the barb ripped through the skin and surfaced farther from the hook than I had anticipated. I continued to pull. “There is no pain”. I pulled harder. The bone, meat and skin released the hook.
I put down the pliers and bloody hook. I closed my eyes. Doc said, “Imagine that your healing, infection-fighting white blood-cells flood the treated area.” I did. “There will be no infection.”
I opened my eyes, turned to L and said, “Give me another moment.” I closed my eyes. I thanked smiling, know-it-all, Doc Hudson and gave grinning “Gornig” a big, long hug – and entered my elevator. I pushed 0 and slowly began my count back to Beta consciousness. The universes were flying by as I counted down. At 0, the elevator stopped, and opened with no tornado. I calmly walked over to the escalator to finish counting myself up to beta conciseness. I counted to myself, “One – coming up now, two – remembering absolutely everything, three – feeling good about myself, four – there is no pain or infection, five – eyes open wide awake, wide awake.”
I gave myself another minute to fully regain Beta consciences then, I put my hand over the side to wash the blood off. Then, I beat on my chest and made like Tarzan.
I remember L said that if he had not seen that, he never would have believed it. Neither would I. The fishing trip turned out great.
Another time, I processed myself while competitively shooting at a police range. The awareness was awesome. I had the highest score for the day with 3 different handguns – including a stub-nose 38 caliber, lightweight 5-shot, model-37 Smith and Wesson revolver.
When I had most of my teeth capped – about $14,000 – I processed myself for about 8 straight hours of tooth-grinding. The dentist saw, in shorter sessions, that I had felt no pain so at my request, he agreed to take a day and do the 8-hour experience. He claimed that normally after a couple hours, the pain-killer repeatedly injected into the gums tended to wear off – but we were successful.
So much for my Hypno-Anesthesia experiences. It is like learning anything else. I am confident that with sufficient motivation and proper guidance almost all who try to use and practice at Hypno-Anesthesia may succeed.
Naturally, there will be those who will try and not be successful. Again, many times, I had tried to be hypnotized and failed. I didn’t understand it. Most mind-set individuals will not be successful simply because they will not try. If you find yourself alone and in pain, as an option, you might try your own guided process of Hypno-Anesthesia.
Remember, all hypnosis is ultimately self-hypnosis. I wonder if our genes assist us in our self-hypnosis.
Skeptic: Ah, you’re lying. Your fish-hook story was all in your head.
No. I experienced it as I described it. I agree that the process was in my imagination; but, the process did get the fish-hook out of my hand.
Skeptic: I don’t believe it.
Believe nothing. Perceive much. Most pain is a lonely experience. For some thinkers – Hypnosis Anesthesia – may serve as a lighter-than-air tool that they may find useful in their one-and-only lifetime.
Skeptic: One lifetime? I am going to live forever with God.
Now, who is fantasizing?
I once heard a story that Orville Wright, in about 1905, was getting ready to fly is first airplane. He was doing his pre-flight check in a meadow along side of a public dirt road. An old farmer came by and stepped off his worn-out horse-drawn wagon. He slowly and silently walked around Orville’s airplane – inspecting every part of it. He then walked up, stood nose-to-nose with Orville Wright and announced: “You can’t fly that thing.”
Orville Wright knowingly smiled at the old farmer and said: “No … you can’t.”
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Thought: Energy experiencing conditions and events against assumed standards. We think many thoughts at any given time. Only the most powerful are concentrated on.
Idea: A conscious, motivated thought.
Happiness: Having pleasant thoughts and feelings in time.
Unhappiness: Having unpleasant thoughts and feelings in time.
The simplest, most obvious, things – that do make sense – should be documented.
A socially inert man would hang on to a woman about as long as an impoverished beggar would hang on to a hundred dollar bill. They would both spend it quickly. As the beggar thinks he is poor, so does the socially inert man feel unworthy.
Divorce is often the reaction to a persecuted environment.
A writer is often a thief of other’s experiences.
Socially there is a time and place for everything. The place is where the opportunity arises and the time is when the vibes say it is right.
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The social success thinks only of reasons why he should, The social failure thinks only of reasons he should not.
God Complex: When things go wrong – it’s your fault. When things go right – it’s my fault.
Anything short of death, earthquake, hurricane, or any other natural phenomenon, is due to lack of control and ignorance. Sometimes people cannot control current situations because their morals restrict and confuse the problem.
Emotionally persecuted people become moralists. It is a form of guilt / sadism toward others.
War causes a persecuted society. The insecurity of life may cause fear of facing the maker. A socially inhibited person may now seek roots with a mate and live a moral life in the eyes of man. A romantic may feel, “Thank God for war!” As long as we put value on war we are going to have the frustrated goal of banishing war.
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While we remain in the form of a biological animal, we can pretty much guarantee there will be war. Trying to break the wills of others is a form of war. Kill or be killed survival is the highest form of war.
The crusade of a practicing Christian is to wage war and to kill the will of any free-thinker and to convert the will of the infidel to the will of his or her God. Practicing Christians constantly wage war on the free-thinkers of the world.
Islam, another huge religion, that worships the same “One God of Abraham” as do the Judeo-Christians, encourages its mind-set believers to “kill the infidel”.
A lasting affair may happen between a single and a married person because they feel that it is emotionally safer. No commitment or responsibility leaves them with a feeling of freedom that one or both can live with.
An individual, who goes to prison, may feel that emotionally he or she has been there all of his or her life.
When a person – caught of wrongdoing says he is sorry – but immediately makes excuses, the only thing he was sorry about was being caught.
A person gets better at a skill or talent the more he studies, practices and thinks about the talent. The same is true in studying, practicing and thinking about having sex.
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Argument: Declaring independence.
Freedom may be seen as sin to an insecure moralist.
Ladies and Gentlemen. If you believe, the Biblical God knows and controls all; then, you must believe all of the controversial Bible C&Vs in “The God Murders” . . .
War, sex, divorce, and prostitution – they are in society and they always have been. They should be considered normal.
The God complex: This is the way it is going to be because I said so. The boss is the name and control is the game. It is going to be my way with or without you.
Masochistic goal. A day that goes by that I do not catch Hell about something is a day lost forever. It could be the child in us that received most of its attention while receiving pain.
Single “swingers” do not pay the price of an exclusive relationship. The price being the responsibility and maintenance of the relationship. Liberated women assist this reality.
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Thank God for sin. Without it, it would be a very dull life.
Combination of ego and humility: You are so lucky to have an asshole like me.
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The Hassler
A hassle may develop when an insecure romantic is frustrated due to a neutral emotional effect from his or her romantic partner. The identity suffers lack of attention and an attack is made to receive strong emotions. They hope eventually apology and good feelings follow. Periodic success in this method of demanding emotional dues gives birth to the emotional blackmailer.
The other side of the coin is if the emotions aren’t cross fed the relationship becomes platonic and nothing to the emotional system. It you value the hassle enough to respond to it, you value the hassler. When it is successful, the hassler is reinforced.
Because of these successes, the haussler may become an agonizing head-trip to others. If the haussler feels emotional pain, due to failure, it is latently satisfied because positive / negative, good / bad, right / wrong emotions make the balance for really living. Neutrality and indifference provide vegetating boredom, which is the ultimate frustration to the emotional system.
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Marriage: A possession contract.
A lover may not care. They may put the burden of caring on the love object. The more you have to care, the less I have to.
If you chase others, it means that they are running from you. If they run, their attitudes, hang-ups, preferences and commitments do not include you. If it is a game with them, they are trifling with your emotions and demanding an emotional price tag. Hassles and head trips are emotional price tags. If you commit your emotional system to a chase, failing may yield pain.
Unfaithful: Embezzling trust.
When someone says “I trust you” concerning sex, they expect you to forsake any sexual ambitions or feelings you may have towards others for their sake. They are trying to become responsible for and in control of your sex life. If you commit, you have put your entire sex life into the control of one other human being on planet Earth. If that other human fails concerning your experiencing a satisfactory sex life, how does your restricted status differ from slavery?
Drugs and booze are vehicles for people who emotionally want to be someplace else.
Flaky: Emotional stuttering.
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Competition: A vehicle that allows us to exercise our sado-masochist emotions in an acceptable way without creating permanent damage.
Ego: This is my way. I demand you be this way too.
Memory: Thought-emotion records.
Independence: I control me, you don’t.
Leaders with personal goals as to where they want to go often fail in their responsibility to their subordinates.
During an affair, one wants the spouse, dumb, happy and away.
Outrage: A means of communication where language seems impossible.
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Motivations of Sex
Romantics have sex for emotional satisfaction.
Lovers have sex for sexual satisfaction.
Hookers have success for financial profit.
Small-time hookers expect a financial payday first by a mass clientele.
Big-time hookers expect larger financial paydays forever by a limited clientele.
When the love is gone, one great class of hookers can be called wives. (Finis)
One of the 10 posters.
Emotions separate humans from computers. Ignorance is the key to emotions, so hoping to understand is much more exciting than understanding.
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Experiencing is not writing the script.
If something is logical and true, it is nothing to be afraid of. Not having the ability to perceive logic and truth is something to be afraid of.
Romantic cohabitation by law has evolved to be a business. Buying a romantic license is like paying a tax. Moral law taxes romantic cohabitation without a license.
Repulsive: A hang-up multiplied by twice the speed of light.
Marriage: Legal emotional captivity in which it is illegal to break emotionally free.
A basic fact, like a continent, is only new to a discoverer.
Social success is being smart enough to be dumb enough to recognize social-emotional basics.
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Many are affected by the social, cultural, religious and moral pressures of today. They religiously pick a team, become selfish, territorial, possessive, and jealous. It becomes a give-and-take thing instead of sharing. They become obsessed with a pattern of future rather than objective. They become ignorant, not knowing that their primitive social pattern is unreal and doesn’t survive today. In their mind, they hang on to what they call standards and principles.
God-filled standards and principles go into a child’s head and later in life come out as hang-ups. Honest parents are precious and hard to find. They believe their child’s mind can handle and crave truth and that their emotions deserve respect. How many parents are honest with their children concerning the topics of religion and sex?
Hypocrite; Privately, I believe none of it. Publicly, I believe all of it.
“I don’t care” may mean, “I don’t have control, so, why bother?”
Loyalty: People tend to be loyal to a portion of the Earth rather than to the Earth. They tend to be loyal to a chosen portion of another rather than the entire being. We are loyal to the portion that does for us.
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Courtesy: Giving up social expectations.
People get mad at you when you do something without their consent. If you are curious as to why they are mad, ask them how you could have “puppeted” for them.
One of the tragedies of life is when people cannot see what is in front of them.
To be emotionally free, stop being the jailer of your emotional prisoners.
Someone being completely true to another is giving up their identity.
The people who have the ability to accept you for yourself are the precious people of the world.
Inferior animals seem to live by fewer abstractions.
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No longer look to others to be responsible for your happiness and you won’t be unhappy anymore.
People who do not want to read mind-boggling head stuff will not read this shit.
Fantasy: Reality to the subconscious – miracles to the conscious.
Abstinence makes the hard grow fonder.
Religious fanatics run from the realities of this world to the bizarre abstractions of the next.
Casual affairs: Wonderful temporary relationships that can only be enjoyed if you experience minimal fear and insecurity.
Without a feeling for Hell, Heaven would hold no value.
Loneliness is caused by over selectivity, which is caused by insecurity, which is caused by ignorance.
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“Freedom”: Absence of commitment.
If you write a book concerning reality, don’t feel bad if it doesn’t go. You might feel bad if it does.
Romantic’s Goal
To find a beautiful dove with a broken emotional wing with soft, pleading eyes to fix it.
Romantic’s disaster: When the dove with the mended emotional wing flies away. (Finis)
One of the 10 posters.
Country music provides value to people whose emotional systems live with both empathy and sympathy for heartbreak drama.
Country-Western music / drama. “If you look at him, I will tear your arm off and beat you over the head with the bloody end of it – because I love you”.
God: “If you don’t obey Me, I will send you into Eternal Torment forever – because I love you”.
A cure for “apathy”: 2000 CCs of give-a-shit.
People divorce when the loss of heartache becomes more important than the loss of economics.
Progressive jazz is abstract, flaky music designed to compliment an abstract, flaky emotional attitude.
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Emotional trivia: Majoring in minors.
Social success patterns: Assist people in their goals and they will make room and even push you in yours.
Everybody stutters. Some people stutter when emotions concentrate on something other than what the mind thinks should be said.
A cause for rejection: I could love you. Leave me alone. I could get hurt again.
Frigidity: My sexual hang-ups overcome my sexual drive. But, when someone comes along who can overcome my sexual hang-ups, I am no longer frigid.
Struggle and strife: Necessary for a romantic’s lovemaking – except after a trauma.
“Falling in love” can be a traumatic event.
Romantics, when enjoys emotional highs, don’t want to know why things feel good.
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They just want to bury their heads and enjoy it forever. They are afraid that if they break it down, they will lose the wonder feeling.
Don’t put expectations on others and magically you won’t respond in agony when others put expectations on you.
In time, romantic needs have to coincide to be of value.
Bad relationship: Emotions going in different directions together.
Floundering: Not having the ability to think what you emotionally want or to emotionally want what your think.
Many times people confuse positive thinking with idealism.
Reality is traumatic “Emotional Surgery” to the idealist.
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Emotional life theory: Emotions are the key to human life.
Without emotions, human life would have no value.
Ignorance is the key to emotions. Without ignorance, we would have no emotions.
If we became knowledgeable enough to completely control our emotional system, after a few generations they may die.
Heaven forbid I ever experience an original thought and be alienated from the huma…
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Exceptional experiences:
Once, I rented a Cessna 172 to fly from Las Vegas to Glendale Arizona’s new airport at the time. Al lady-friend and I took off about 10 PM for the night flight. Whether was clear, no moon. Mountains were over 8,000 feet en route and it was pitch black outside the cockpit. After midnight, I’m cruising over 11,000 feet when I noticed that I instinctively had the wheel / “stick” pulled back into my gut. I checked my instruments and saw that I had been going down 2,000 feet / minute. I couldn’t believe it. As an aerobatic pilot, I tested it. I pulled the wheel back the extra inch and sure enough, I stalled and started spiraling to earth. My lady asked if we were in trouble. I said I didn’t think so. Instinctively I lowered the nose, got airspeed and faced the direction by compass I came from. I was below 8,000 feet, seeing nothing outside and started climbing at the normal 700 feet / minute. When I got back to over 11,000 feet, I turned and headed to Glendale Airport again by instruments. About ½ hour later, I landed. There was no tower but someone was manning the airport Unicom. Turned out he was one of President Ronald Reagan’s fired Air Traffic Control employees. He was moon-lighting for free because he loved what he did. I told him my story. He said: Let me make a few calls. He found out that at the time I experienced my freak happening, a flash flood took place behind me in Kingman Arizona. I rode a wave down. Never heard of that before or since. I know that my aerobatic training and practice saved us – and not any supernatural God.
Once in the desert about 1 AM with some friends, I went off to take a leak – beer, you know. The wind was strong. Off in the distance on the moon-lit night, I saw a bright light flickering in an “all over the place” fashion. It was weird. I refused to take my eyes off of it and began to walk toward it not knowing if it was near the ground or in the sky. I did not know how far away it was. I thought this was as close to a supernatural mystery as I have ever encountered. I walked about a thousand yards and the light was flashing brighter and more erratic. I really thought I was on to something. It was a heart-shaped aluminum balloon about 2 feet across whose 20-foot string had wrapped around a bush. The wind swung it in wide arcs in the sky lit by the moon. To date, nothing I have ever seen has proved to be supernatural.
Faith Is Nonsense Designed To Motivate The Stupid.
Thinkers Have The Right To Adopt No Religious Belief.
Most Invent A Belief To Will Something Into Reality.
To Question Faith Is Good. To Discard Faith Is Better.
To Believe Is: To Be Often In Error – But Never In Doubt.
Treating Schizophrenia May Help Cure Blind Faith And Belief.
If There Was Proof Of God – There Would Be Only One Religion.
Belief: You Can Take Me To School But You Can Not Make Me Think.
Belief Does Not Trump Science. Faith Does Not Trump Facts.
All Belief Is Absolutely True – Unless It Isn’t.
A High Percentage Of Stupid Is Stubborn.
Thoughts Are Voices – Beliefs Are Echos.
Belief Is The Abandonment Of Free-Will.
Atheism Is For Thinkers – Not Believers.
A Believer’s Opinion Has No Thought.
Intelligence Is Categorical.
A high percentage of stupid is stubborn.
FACTS VERSES TRUTH: I personally do not care for a believer’s “truth”. This is because a believer’s truth usually has their own ego-driven agenda attached to it. As a thinker, I prefer learning the unbiased facts. Everyone is entitled to know facts that affect them. Facts do not care who agrees or disagrees with them. Only selfish, manipulative, authoritative egos care for facts to be censored or to be altered into their “truth”. They want to manipulate reality to be seen on their terms. Facts have no agenda and prove to be real by investigation in time. Facts are mostly ignored by self-imposed ignorance when a high percent of stupid is stubborn. Gary DeVaney
Thought is the Ultimate Human Masterpiece
The Manipulative Nonsense Of
“I Have Faith”
“I Believe”
Absurd faith and asinine beliefs are the drugs that fuel the insanity of religion.
Gary DeVaney: Being a hypnotherapist for about 40 years has taught me some critical perspectives about the diverse use of the words – “I believe”.
Diverse? Yes. Once, back in the 1980s, I wrote almost 400 dictionary-defined words that could replace and change the meaning of “I believe”.
The word “believe” is not a word that you can depend on when interpreting what the believing speaker or writer means. If you challenge the believer’s belief, the believer can easily use “wiggle-room” to dispel your challenge. “I believe” – ultimately admits – “I don’t know”. If one absolutely knows something, one would say “I know”. If a believer’s belief is proven to be false or wrong; the believer can immediately claim: I said that I believed it. I did not say that I knew it. I am allowed to believe anything I want because the Bible taught that I must believe.
Thought is the ultimate masterpiece for the Human Animal.
Having blind faith is the fastest way to go wrong with confidence. Belief just seals the error.
Ego: Ego is any manifestation of behavior that exposes: I am the value. I am the authority. I am entitled.
To express a “belief” is an ego manifestation.
To “have faith” is to have “motivated ignorance”. To claim to have faith is to prefer ignorance. For a believer to promote faith, they want you to remain ignorant. Ask the faithful, do you prefer to have faith and to believe or would you prefer to know? If they insist on you having faith, ignorance is preferred. Settling on faith promotes covering up facts and knowledge. If they prefer faith and belief, they are lost to learning. That validates the condition that “a high percentage of stupid is stubborn”.
David Eller: If one has belief, knowledge is lacking. If one has knowledge, belief is unnecessary.
Nietzsche: Faith means not wanting to know what is true.
For believers in “The Supernatural” – “I believe” attempts to will wished for things into reality.
“I believe” means I am trying to will what I want into reality.
Of course when this ego manifestation is challenged – denial is automatic.
“I BELIEVE” IS OFTEN USED TO “WILL” SOMETHING INTO REALITY
by
Gary DeVaney
Note: Donald J. Trump has been a master in “willing things into reality”.
A problem (behaviorally defined): I do not want something that is. I want something that is not. Without a do want or a do not want there is no problem. To want or not want is the key to all problems.
I submit that often when someone says: “I BELIEVE”, he or she is saying: I want to “WILL” something that I want into reality.
Perspective: People have learned to use the words “I BELIEVE” in their attempts to “WILL” what they want into reality.
This is one dramatic example of how the 2 words “I believe” can be used to “will” and manipulate what someone wants into reality.
A DeVaney Parable: A man is found guilty of murder and is sentenced to death by firing squad.
The day before his execution, the court official asks the condemned man if he has a last request.
(Privately, the condemned man wants to live and plans to use a belief to will what he wants into reality.)
He says: Yes. I believe that my firing squad should consist of practicing, devoted, God-Fearing Christians. No Atheists!
The court official said: Your request is granted.
The court system searched for and found 7 men for the firing squad. They all claimed to be devoted, practicing, God-Fearing Christians.
Note: Personally imagine and pretend that you are a Christian believer, who admitted to the requested qualifications, and that you were chosen to be 1 of the 7 on the firing squad. Privately, the condemned man wanted to live. So, he planned to publicly state his belief at the right time to paralyze the trigger-fingers of the 7 men who were to shoot him to death. He wanted his stated belief to change his reality.
On the day of the execution, the condemned man was tied to a post.
The court official offered the condemned man a blindfold. He refused the blindfold.
The court official then asked the condemned man if he had any last words.
The condemned man said: Yes. I am a Christian. I am a sinner. Right now, I believe that he who is without sin should shoot me dead.
Upon hearing this, it could be left up to your personal, Christian, God-Fearing conscience what would happen next. What would you do?
Free-will: Does your “free-will” mean that you “will” (pretend) what you claim is God into reality?
Blind Faith & Belief
by
Gary DeVaney
Is pushing blind faith and belief on the gullible pushing agendas of evil, fraud and theft?
Aren’t ego-centered, emotional, faithful, believers robbed of their mental capacity – their rationale, their logic and reason?
Statically, don’t practicing blind-faith-believers become low percentage gamblers – whose determined beliefs become gambles?
Don’t the idealistic, the gullible, the faithful, the mentally challenged and the stubborn usually lose in life?
Businessmen built billion-dollar, world-class casinos that are financed by stupid, stubborn losers. They had faith and believed that they were entitled to win. Advertised and exploited winners draw in the idealistic “ego-driven” (I am special / I am entitled) suckers who are programmed and destined to throw money away.
Faith and belief are psychological tools to prepare the gullible for con jobs.
Confidence: Knowing what you are doing and why you are doing it.
The rationally confident invests – while the faithfully ignorant gambles.
In school, one is not tested and graded on one’s blind faith or belief. One is tested and graded on what one proved to know.
Point out the contradictions in the Bible to a believer and you will see / hear these excuses:
1. “You’re quoting that out of context!”
After making this claim, why do believers never attempt to come up with the proper context?
2. “That word meant something different than it does now!”
Believers never explain what that word meant back then.
3. “That’s not a contradiction. You don’t have The Holy Spirit! If you did, you would understand (accept) that passage.”
Why can’t believers explain it if they claim to have the Holy Spirit.
4. “That’s just figurative, not literal.”
It is always figurative when a literal interpretation would lead to a contradiction or an absurdity.
5. “It meant something different in the original Greek / Hebrew / Aramaic.”
Believers can’t explain what the original text meant or the words in the text rarely match their explanation.
Richard Dawkins: There is no well-demonstrated reason to believe in God.
Unexplained, thoughts and confused feelings of high emotional intensity are the most accurate perspectives and best describes “spiritual”. However, “spiritual” best describes “fantasy”. Hope and idealism often contribute to the mysterious “spiritual” equation.
Mark Twain: Faith is believing in something we know is not true.
Hope: If it were not for hope 90% of therapists and 100% of Clergy would be out of business.
Prayer usually is designed to benefit ones-self. If not, it is designed to change the world to better suit you and yours – even if it is at the expense of others.
When you pray to God, aren’t you rubbing in God’s face the fact that you find God’s plan for you flawed?
Religious believers want nonsense to substitute for fact with impunity.
Spiritual: Another poor man’s delusional escape from reality.
Mental illness: Mental illness may be most easily diagnosed in those who fearfully live spiritually by hope, faith and belief.
Faith, Religion, Supernatural Belief: A belief in a supernatural power or powers that control human destiny. “Fantasy”.
Warning! Religion may be harmful to your IQ and your mental health.
Faith Is Feeling That God Is Doing Right By You Even When God Is Not.
Paradox: When your deepest convictions are challenged by contradictory evidence – your beliefs get stronger.
Perspective: This may explain why: A high percentage of stupid is stubborn.
An example of political stubbornness: In 2006, Brendan Nyhan and Jason Reifler at The University of Michigan and Georgia State University created fake newspaper articles about polarizing political issues. The articles were written in a way which would confirm a widespread misconception about certain ideas in American politics. As soon as a person read a fake article, researchers then handed over a true article which corrected the first. For instance, one article suggested the United States found weapons of mass destruction in Iraq. The next said the U.S. never found them, which was the truth. Those opposed to the war or who had strong liberal leanings tended to disagree with the original article and accept the second. Those who supported the war and leaned more toward the conservative camp tended to agree with the first article and strongly disagree with the second. These reactions shouldn’t surprise you. What should give you pause though is how conservatives felt about the correction. After reading that there were no WMDs, they reported being even more certain than before there actually were WMDs and their original beliefs were correct.
How many religions do you belong to?
Is your God the head of your religion?
Is your God the One God of Abraham?
The One God of Abraham is the head of the Judeo-Christian-Islamist religions.
How many religions do you belong to?
Gary DeVaney’s Perspective:
The thinking skeptic clearly questions specifics.
The question IS the highest form of thought.
The mindset believer can not question his or her beliefs.
Why not?
Because, if a mindset believer DOES question his or her beliefs, he or she proves NOT to believe. Thus, the unquestioning mindset believer remains ignorant.
However, knowledge is NOT the power. Applied knowledge IS the power.
Applied knowledge dispels fear.
Example: If you knew the cure for cancer, you would not fear cancer.
Skeptics question more. Thus, skeptics learn and know more.
Those who know more live with less fear and they are mentally and emotionally happier throughout their lives.
Ignorance is not only based on what you do not know but also on what you will not know.
Stuart Chase: For those who believe, no proof is necessary. For those who don’t believe, no proof is possible.
Faith: Argument from ignorance / appeal to ignorance / misled feeling / no evidence / authoritative nonsense.
Obey me because I claim to believe something you do not.
An assumed something, undetectable in time and non-existent in time, is the same.
Faith and belief pretends / insists that things exist in reality.
Nonsensical faith and irrational beliefs serve as “obedience tests” for the authoritative manipulator.
“My ego claims to believe something. Don’t you support my ego’s stated belief – which proves you support me?”
Authoritative faith assumes no required / accountable burden of proof.
Religious Belief
The denial of religious “truth” and belief can become emotional when a mindset believer is caught buying into a proven fallacy or an outdated lie. Ergo, religious, mindset believers get very angry in religious debate. Mindset, authoritative believers want to be obeyed. Believers do not want to be questioned nor challenged. Many new parents become religious because they believe that religion will help them be obeyed by their children.
It is painful, embarrassing and frustrating when a mindset believer is proven wrong. Ergo, for most believers, angry, mindset denial is automatic when their animal ego and left-brain belief “cannot be wrong”, even when the mindset religious belief is proven wrong.
A mindset believer can not question his or her belief. Fortunately, no right-brain is authoritative and mindset and its intelligent questioning is capable to intellectually figure out, emotionally accept and correct their mental, ego-attached, left-brain error.
The believer’s “territorial” ego assumes authority over his or her mindset belief. If you don’t buy into, agree with and support the assumed authority’s ego-attached belief, those believers often take it personal. Believers get angry. Believers feel abused that you did not support and obey them by not agreeing to, accepting and supporting their stated “sacred” belief. If they state their belief in public and are questioned or challenged, many become emotionally hostile. Many – otherwise “healthy” relationships – die due to this often religiously programmed, mindset, territorial belief-mechanism.
Thinking Atheists are now “coming out” by questioning and challenging delusional, dogmatic, mindset, religious belief. To challenge mindset belief, the question IS the highest form of thought.
I, an Atheist, view that there is almost one God for each Human ego on planet Earth. As Atheists, our egos have gotten rid of the imaginary authority called God realizing that our ego is more honest and healthier without claiming God.
Programmed religious egos cannot be wrong because they insist that their God is responsible for their claims, not themselves.
Most practicing, religious believers live a lie. They, in turn, expect and often demand of others to also live their lies. When those egos get into a position of power, they threaten-by-consequence their ideology which becomes: I am special and chosen. Be like me or else.
A Christian Prayer: Oh God, just make my life terrific at the expense of others; make me so self-centered that I am not aware of life around me; and let my next life be OH SO MUCH BETTER than this life. A-men.
Exodus 33:11 God spoke to Moses face to face, as a man speaks to his friend.
John 1:18 No man hath seen God at any time…
Bible Contradiction.
Faith denies reality so that belief can rule.
Let’s examine it:
I live in “Sin City” Las Vegas. We have many billion-dollar hotel-casinos. Those casinos were built by losers who had faith. They passionately believed. If they hadn’t been motivated by their faith and belief, they would not have gambled and lost and these casinos would not be standing.
Yes, faith and belief is traditional. So is losing, pain and misery. The loser’s passionate faith denied statistical reality. Their selfish belief ruled. They lost. The few publicized winners serve as the casino’s cost of advertising for more of the faith-based gullible to lose their money. The believer often experiences depression, a sense of loss, but their dyslexic value system calls their experience “fun”. The typical loser at gambling claims that they are “a little ahead” or “breaking even”. Sound familiar?
Concerning salvation: Believing in a guilt-motivated, self-serving, faith-based salvation makes you lose much of the full life you have or that you could have had. The “masochistic” believer tries to “sadistically” force, by consequence, bogus salvation on others – so to steal their full lives. Misery loves company.
“Blind Faith” is mostly connected to nonsense. If something is real and sensible, faith is not necessary nor required.
Beware: “Blind Faith” is always offered by one who wants control.
The believer operates like: “If I have to sacrifice – everybody has to sacrifice”. It amounts to a low-life agenda. Doesn’t it? But, believers will fight for their traditional salvation agenda and condemn non-believers who don’t buy into and gamble on their insane and destructive belief. Thus, the angry rub between believers and non-believers.
Adolf Hitler: It is always more difficult to fight against faith than against knowledge.
Do you have any strong feelings or condemnations to this sense of reality?
Judeo-Christian-Islamic Believers
For what purpose do practicing Judeo-Christian-Islamic believers push their nonsense onto rational, independent thinkers who do not believe nor obey their nonsense?
“I want you to live by my values in your life with me being the center of those values”?
“Submit your life, feelings and agendas to my authority so I will be fulfilled”?
Do these life-stealing motivations make a practicing believer feel alive? Don’t practicing believers aggressively preach condemnation and disapproval to whom they judge are disobedient? Don’t they authoritatively resent, complain about and threaten Atheists / non-believers who dare stand up to them and their God?
Don’t practicing Judeo-Christian-Islamic believers authoritatively insist that your behavior requires their approval?
Concerning a Bible critic’s questioning / taking logical, rational and reasonable issues with the documented C&V Bible, do mindset believers tend to seek the truth / facts in reality, or do they just try to dismiss / get rid of, the issue / the issue taker?
Faith denies reality so that mindset belief can rule.
GWD: I personally never say or write the words “I believe” in the 1st person. Every time someone uses “I believe”, they commit their brain to a paralysis. Once their brain and emotions are committed, they can no longer “think” on nor question that specific topic. An ego’s belief assumes and often insists it is never wrong. Ergo, the exchange turns into an argument for control rather an objective debate on the specific topic. At the conclusion of a proper debate, someone wins the debate and someone loses the debate. An arguer stubbornly claims authority / control over the exchange and often comes across like an authoritarian declaring a false victory.
When you say “I believe” – is that your attempt to will things into reality? Do you say “I believe” in hopes that your will and hopes BECOME reality? Do you say “I believe” around others in hopes that those others will MAKE your belief a reality? Do you express your beliefs to manipulate others to fulfill your hopes? Is that what your expressed beliefs are?
Believers can NOT question their own beliefs. Do you know why? Because, if you DO question your own belief, you prove NOT to believe it.
That’s the main reason that I, Gary DeVaney, claim to believe nothing. I will NOT paralyze my mind’s ability to question anything and everything. I refuse to be another mindless, non-thinking, fearful prisoner stuck behind the bars of belief.
“I believe” means I pretend, I gamble, I really don’t know.
If you want me to share your beliefs – why would you expect me to buy into your gambles and I don’t knows?
Christopher Hitchens: What can be asserted without proof can be dismissed without proof.
“Schizophrenia” is a complex mental disorder that makes it difficult to: Tell the difference between real and unreal experiences; Think logically; Have normal emotional responses, Behave normally in social situations.
Fantasy? / Spiritual?
Being “faith-based” and “spiritual” instead of being knowledgeable is contrary to “God’s Word”:
Hosea 4:6 My people are destroyed for lack of knowledge. Because you have rejected knowledge, I will also reject you, that you shall be no priest to Me. Seeing you have forgotten the law of you God, I will also forget your children.
Being a serious, critical thinker is inconsistent with being a categorical believer.
Science tries to figure out the world we live in – while religion tries to figure out the mind of its fictitious – yet authoritative God.
Religious Dogma: You must trust, have faith, believe in and obey your God with all your heart for your eternal soul to be saved from Eternal Torment. (What a threat!)
Christian “Free-Will” amounts to: You are free to do what you are told – or suffer Eternal-Torment.
Salvation is based on delusional, paranoid fear. The believer does not share salvation. They, only share their insane fear.
Truth Verses Fact: Believers are entitled to project their beliefs which are usually their, mostly adopted, “opinions“. Believers are not entitled to their own thought-up “facts“. A believer’s personal “truth” usually amounts to just an “opinion” which includes an ego-emotion attachment. Their believing ego’s “truth” authoritatively demands and expects to be accepted by others. A proven “fact“, in reality, has no ego-emotion that cares who accepts or rejects it. In time, a “fact”, in reality, just is what it is. An ego has to intellectually understand and emotionally accept a “fact” in time and move on.
Believers often claim that an Atheist does not understand the Bible because an Atheist does not have “The Holy Spirit”. Could it be that “The Holy Spirit” blinds believers as to the controversial Bible C&Vs that are documented? Are they too frightened to read those controversial Bible C&Vs. Maybe they are too evil, themselves, to realize how evil and insane the Bible God is – to have done all that murdering. Believers never take a Bible C&V murder charge and attempt to defend God. They just demonize and condemn anyone who exposes these murderous C&Vs. They just worship the Biblical God as if God murdered no one. That is evil. In a US criminal court, it could be considered an accessory to murder. The Biblical God does not exist – but the belief in God certainly does.
Your hope, faith and belief is your attempt to will something you want into reality. Others do not have to accommodate your fantasy.
Miracles & Magic
The claims of “miracle” have been tricked – just like good magic will trick you. If you know how to do the magic trick and you are honest, you will not consider the magic trick to be a miracle. Do you think that some thinking minds who discover and learn all of the God’s Evil Deeds, C&Vs, could become Atheists? If not, why not?
Hypnosis & The Holy Spirit
Remember when Judy discovered the Wizard bellowing with a loud, intimidating voice behind the curtain in The Wizard of Oz? She was so disappointed and angry, she screamed at him: “You’re A Bad Wizard, A Bad Wizard!
When I studied and discovered the Bible’s description of the Biblical God’s insanity, it broke the fear-based hypnosis and I logically became an Atheist. Maybe the “hypnosis” believers refer to was what they claim to be “The Holy Spirit”.
If you have The Holy Spirit, you believe in, support, promote and finance the Biblical God. When you do NOT have The Holy Spirit – you don’t.
In your judgment, do you consider this perspective to be logical and reasonable?
Gary DeVaney: Religion: When insanity is the norm.
Mark Twain
Intelligent Design: I view that the best debate against “Intelligent Design” is: Scientific study has concluded that over 99% of all species that ever existed on Earth are now extinct.
I recently had an inquiring 2 hour, one-on-one lunch, with a 73-year-old Rabbi. We got along fine. I asked the Rabbi: “Does God exist?” He looked me in the eye and said: “I don’t know. But, I do know that the belief in God exists.”
Everyone I met on a 7-day cruise was an Atheist – either to Christianity or to Islam.
Faith, trust and belief are the cornerstones of the god / obedience game.
Faith, trust and belief are the tools / weapons often waged by others against your free-will.
The tyrant’s fear: “If you don’t trust / believe me” – it means that “you won’t willfully obey me”.
Anyone, who incorporates the words faith / trust / belief, feels entitled to your obedience.
Faith isn’t evidence, it’s an excuse to believe absurdities in the absence of evidence.
The Existence Of The Biblical God? Why is it necessary to disprove what has never been proven?
Benjamin Franklin: The way to see by faith is to shut the eye of reason.
To promote having “faith” is to promote having intellectual disability.
When beliefs are mind-set – facts don’t count.
Bertrand Russell: So far as I can remember, there is not one word in the Gospel in praise of intelligence.
Bible C&V Promotion Of Faith & Belief
Mark 11:22 Have faith in God.
Acts 26:18 Sanctified by faith…
Romans 1:17 The just shall live by faith.
Romans 3:28 A man is justified by faith.
Romans 10:8 The word of faith which we preach…
Romans 10:17 Faith comes by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.
Romans 14:23 Whatever is not of faith is sin.
Now, that is a hard-sell.
1 Corinthians 16:13 Stand fast in the faith, be brave, be strong.
2 Corinthians 5:7 For we walk by faith, not by sight.
Would you tell your child to walk across a busy street with this “wisdom”?
Galatians 2:20 Live by the faith.
Ephesians 2:8-10 By grace, you have been saved through faith, not your own doing. It is the gift of God, not a result of works…
So, if you do not have faith, which must be given to you by God, why would God punish you for what God did not give you?
Ephesians 6:16 Above all, taking the shield of faith…
1 Timothy 3:9 Holding the mystery of the faith…
Hebrews 11:1 Faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen.
If it were not for “hope” – 90% of therapists and 100% of clergy would be out of business.
Hebrews 11:6 Without faith it is impossible to please God, for he who comes to God must believe.
Outright blackmail! If you do NOT have faith and believe, God WILL send you into Eternal-Torment.
1 John 5:4 Whatever is born of God overcomes the world. Our faith is the victory that has overcome the world.
Eusebius: How far it may be proper to use falsehood as a medium for the benefit of those who require to be deceived.
This encourages deception to be proper for those who require to be deceived. No wonder there is so much US Government and media deception. Believers require things – that they do not want to know – to believe in.
Judeo-Christian faith is taking God at His word. If the Bible is God’s word and it includes all “The God Murders” C&Vs, you are to take each and every one of them as being God’s word. If you do, that certainly is bound to make you “God-Fearing”.
David Hume: A wise man proportions his belief to the evidence.
Does the believer NOT realize that he or she is pushing, expecting and threatening non-believing intelligent thinkers to ultimately believe, support, promote and finance the believers mind-set, faith-based nonsense?
And, when thinkers stand up and challenge the believer’s nonsense, the believer calls the Atheist a bully?
Is the believer NOT expecting others to change who they are so to suit the believer and his or her Biblical God (real or not)?
In reality, it is the believer who is the offensive bully who demands that non-believers accept their “beliefs” – mostly by threat of eternal consequence.
Questions To The Self-Proclaimed Believer
How committed are you to your belief in the supernatural?
Do you have any evidence of the existence of the supernatural?
Do you object to someone being skeptical of your belief in the supernatural?
How would you have your stated belief in the supernatural affect another human being?
Do you constantly throw out your beliefs to test your attraction, power and influence over others?
Are your announced beliefs to the masses serving you as your announced rules?
The believer says: “I believe that Jesus Christ was born of a “Virgin-Birth” and “Rose From The Dead”. Can you prove your belief? When you say the words: “I Believe” – aren’t you really saying: “I bet” / “I pretend” or “I want”?
One believer claimed to see supernatural auras and colors. They disappeared after he had cataract surgery.
Abortion: Didn’t the Biblical God abort all of Earth’s pregnant mother’s babies with a flood? So, what is the Biblical God’s stand on abortion? How many did the Biblical God abort with the flood?
Belief is Often in Error but Never in Doubt
More Biblical Abortion / Murder – God Style
Numbers 3:15-16 God commanded: Number the children of Levi after the house of their fathers, by their families. Every male from a month (1 month) old and upward shalt you number them. Moses numbered them according to the word of the Lord, as he was commanded.
God doesn’t count you or any child as a life until a Human Being is 1 month old. According to this, abortion is acceptable.
Lev 27:6 God said: Males are 1 month to 5-years-old are worth 5 Sheckles of silver. Females are worth 3 Sheckles of silver.
This Bible C&V gives you God’s value of males and females. If you object, take it up with the Biblical God.
Hosea 13:16 Hosea 13:16 Samaria shall become desolate for she has rebelled against her God. They shall fall by the sword. Their infants shall be dashed in pieces and their women with child shall be ripped open.
Psalm 137:9 God inspired: Happy is he that dashes your little ones against the stones.
Behold! God style abortion and murder before and after birth.
Richard Dawkins: The process of non-thinking is called faith.
Faithful, mind-set believers prove to be often in error but never in doubt. When the believer is proven wrong, they insist that they said they believed and that they did not say that they knew. That is being caught lying and insisting on immunity.
With faithful belief, there is no penalty for their being wrong.
What could possibly promote being wrong more than faith?
People, who want to control you, promote faith because they want power and authority over you. They want you to commit to their beliefs, values and agendas. If you support their beliefs, they feel that you support them. They want you to serve them on their terms.
Dr. Darrel Ray (The God Virus) submitted: Chris, a PHD candidate, has a new website. Take a look at his YouTube site at this link:
Concerning the words – “I Believe” – every single belief that you claim to have is a separate state of hypnosis.
When a believer promotes faith, he or she seems proud to promote ignorance and to accept nonsense without proof. To promote faith is the epitome of assuming authority over nothing. To trust someone is to give them authority over you. “Trust me” means “shut up and do what is expected”. They claim that their invisible god expects conformity and obedience from you when it is only the authoritative believer who expects conformity and obedience from you. “The God Game” is the authority / obedience game.
If you can’t defend your believe with intelligent thoughts and words you don’t have much of a belief. Do you?
Jeremiah 29:11: For I know the plans I have for you,” declares the LORD, “plans to prosper you and not to harm you, plans to give you hope and a future.
If it were not for “HOPE” 90% of therapists and 100% of clergy would be out of business. GWD
Are You Hypnotized?
Gary: I am confident that each separate belief that you expose is a separate state of hypnosis.
To be instructed, by an assumed authority, to “believe” deepens the hypnosis.
“Trust me” means “shut up and do what you are told or what is expected”.
The purpose to promote “faith” is to command obedience to manipulation.
The Apostle Paul is the Biblical father of faith, belief, fantasy and delusion. Paul is responsible for normally rational people to have their feet planted firmly in mid-air.
Believe be-lie-ve: Lie is the center of believe. For many, “I believe” means “I lie”.
“I Believe” ultimately means “I don’t know”. If one absolutely knows, one would say “I know”. When a belief is proven to be a lie, the believers cops-out with: “I said I believed it. I did not say that I knew it. Therefore, I did not lie.
“I believe” means “I commit” / “I obey”. This is why religious people and other authoritarians push you to believe.
Voltaire: Nothing can be more contrary to religion and the clergy than reason and common sense.
A dead body has no life / soul. No scientific evidence proves that a life / soul continues after death.
With regard to an after-life soul – Humanism claims that there is no such thing.
Bill Mahr: Believers are not fans of knowledge.
Seneca the Younger: Religion is regarded by the common people as true, by the wise as false, and by the rulers as useful.
Roman EmperorNero ordered Seneca the Younger to commit suicide in 65 AD?
An assumed authority wants you to believe in and commit to his or her beliefs, agendas and values. You are targeted to become their slave – to serve them on their terms.
For most thinkers, the frontal cortex of their human brain has evolved sufficiently to produce, for them, some evidence of rational thought. Primitive religion is committed to compete with and disable the thinker’s human frontal cortex by demanding that they practice insane, primitive belief in supernatural nonsense.
Faith cannot defeat science when it comes to reality.
Reality is an insult to a believer.
They want you to have faith in – and to be faithful to – their beliefs, values and agendas.
They often want and demand your love, respect and willful obedience.
You must sacrifice your values in favor of theirs – otherwise they will threaten punishment from themselves or from their egos’ fictitious, supernatural God.
Prejudice / Bias: When an Ego feels entitled while believing that another Ego does not deserve an equal chance to be a free and non-dependent Human Being.
Your “faith” is your willful ignorance. Faith is your agenda to not know – to not be responsible for knowledge.
Believers are low-percentage gamblers. Their faithful gambles are based on ignorance. When hope, faith and belief crashes and burns for the believer – it is written off as God’s will. The believer just looks for a new nonsensical deal to gamble on. Some are delusional enough to hold on to failed beliefs.
When you question one’s belief or faith – you can’t expect an answer of substance.
Richard Dawkins: Faith is the great cop-out, the great excuse to evade the need to think and evaluate evidence. Faith is belief in spite of, even perhaps because of, the lack of evidence.
Often, religious behavior is so insane – we can’t tell the difference. Why do well-educated, intelligent Human Animals rely on irrational faith and belief concerning vast categories of blatant nonsense in religion.
Dr. Darrel Ray wrote the book “The God Virus”. It explains how faith and belief paralyzes and eliminates the critical mind. The mind, once infected, cannot critically question authoritative categories of life. A virus, like a form of love, sets in and behavior defending a declared belief or faith becomes paramount.
I personally view that “The God Virus” accurately defines “The Holy Spirit”. I can and I will debate any controversial Bible C&V. I perceive that Christians, who claim to have “The Holy Spirit” can not and will not debate selected, controversial Bible C&Vs. For example:
Luke 19:27 Jesus Christ said: And as for those, mine enemies, who would not have Me be King over them, bring them before Me and slay them.
Question, be honest now: Could you / would you debate (equal time) this selected Bible C&V for 10 minutes with an on-topic debater who took issue with Luke 10:27? How about Revelation 2:23 whereby Jesus said that He (The Son of Man) would kill her children?
You see, Jesus Christ would have to go through me to kill somebody’s children. Would Jesus have to go through you to kill somebody’s children?
Carl Sagan: For me, it is far better to grasp the universe as it really is rather than persist in delusion, however satisfying and reassuring. I don’t believe. I’ve always preferred to know.
Believers find fault with non-believers to compensate for the failure of their own beliefs.
For some believers, delusional hope is idealistic despair. Of course – denial is automatic.
The Human Animal somehow finds it necessary to believe numerous “ideas” which include – time-travel, multiple-dimension’s, , space-aliens, UFO’s, immortality/ eternal-life, any of hundreds of gods, Holy Spirit, big-foot, Santa-Claus, Easter-Bunny, Tooth-Fairy, ghosts – and other absurd, supernatural nonsense. For the believer, evidence is not given nor required to believe in, promote, support and even finance these bogus ideas. Behold: Religion.
The Judeo-Christian-Islamic religions are hostile as they compete to control planet Earth.
Behaviorally, believing is obeying.
“I believe” – means – “I obey”.
“Do you believe” – means – “do you obey?”
Thinking Atheists do not obey the dogmatic, traditional Judeo-Christian beliefs / rules of the mind-set believer.
Behold, the timeless rub between religious believers and thinking Atheists.
Lie
To lie is to intentionally deceive.
To truly lie, the liar must know the truth.
White lies: Lies you tell to make others feel better.
Rationalize: To lie to make yourself feel better.
Beliefs: Lies to determine how gullible / controllable / stupid others are.
Believers believe faith to be a useful hypocrisy.
However – a positive note – All inventions were once a lie. For thousands of years, Human Animals claimed that they could fly. Since Orvile and Wilber Wright started flying in 1902, many Humans have flown.
The Question is the Highest Form of Thought
The Thinker Dares to Question – The Mind-Set Believer can not Question His or Her Belief
Religion manufactures and sells mental / emotional disease that addicts the gullible to become mind-set believers.
Religions promote and demand hypnotic, behavioral tools. An Ego, God and religion requires your obedience. “I believe” often means “I obey, support or promote” something specific. When one promotes his or her beliefs, they may be assuming, insisting or demanding that you share their beliefs. They are testing how much authority they have over you. They are testing your obedience to their beliefs – and to them. They often assume that their beliefs should affect you as their commands or demands would. They are testing your desire to please them. They are testing how usable you are. Should these perspectives disturb you, it is because your belief agenda is exposed.
To teach faith and belief is to murder the thinking mind.
Repentance: To repent is to practice humility – to discipline oneself – to keep oneself in line with the desires of an assumed authority.
A pastor keeps the pasture full of “God’s Word” for the “sheep” to mentally and emotionally graze on.
Churches and ministers promote group-faith. Group-faith creates an atmosphere for people who want, expect and feel entitled to approval from everyone they meet. They don’t want to – and will not – answer your critical questions of substance as they feel entitled to your conformity, obedience and approval. If you insist they answer your critical questions, they will threaten you, condemn you, then cut and run.
“Christian Believers Impose Their Cloned Wills on All Non-Believers”
Belief
Mark Twain: The Church has opposed every innovation and discovery from the day of Galileo down to our own time, when the use of anesthetic in childbirth was regarded as a sin because it avoided the biblical curse pronounced against Eve.
We all have egos that we use to competitively control other egos who happen into our atmospheres. Some tend to super-charge their egos by applying and incorporating their fictitious, “supernatural” God. Insane, authoritative egos evolve to feel that it is their birth-right and entitlement to categorically change the world into their image through the sacrifice of competing egos that are accessible to them. Some attempt to use their fictional, supernatural God on the gullible to accomplish their ego’s opportunistic and imperialistic goals.
People claim to have a “spiritual experience” or that something special was spiritual. The “spiritual experience” could probably be best identified to a remembered thought or feeling. Thoughts are rarely remembered unless a feeling of some emotional intensity is attached to it.
Other than an unknown-based, difficult to explain, emotionally charged feeling, what is “spiritual” to you? Can you – with any logical, reasonable and rational clarity – define what “spiritual” means to you? Would your “spiritual experience” amount to a confusing thought with an indescribable feeling attached to it? How realistic or rational is your “spiritual experience”? Remember – you too can walk through walls – in your imagination only. A thought is the most miraculous event mankind can experience. Could your living, lit-up genes have communicated the thought to your consciousness along with a feeling to deliver it.
Mark Twain: Most people can’t bear to sit in church for an hour on Sundays. How are they supposed to live somewhere very similar to it for eternity?
God, King and Country: The agenda of the US government is to mass hypnotize its subjects. It’s agenda is to program you, its subject, to become a believer so that you will practice sacred loyalty to God and country.
Beliefs are commitments. Manipulators love your commitments.
Praying is obeying.
Believing is practicing obeying.
The more faith you have, the more you believe and the less you know.
To “have faith” is to obediently shut-up and to do as you are told.
To say “I believe” is to always admit “I don’t know”. I am pretending. I am gambling. Why would any intelligent human being buy into another’s I don’t knows, pretends and gambles?
The paradox of belief: Belief eliminates thought. A person who states a belief – cannot question that belief. Because – should he or she question that belief – he or she proves not to believe it.
Each belief is a separate state of hypnosis. One, who has many beliefs, is bogged down with many states of hypnosis. If one cannot question his or her beliefs, he or she is incapable of thinking.
A question is the highest form of thought.
Do God-fearing believers resent that non-believers go through life without dread, panic and fear of God?
I personally do not hold with ancient beliefs, prejudice and hostility.
Religious dogma that promotes mass belief / paranoia:
Proverbs 15:3 The eyes of the Lord are in every place, beholding the evil and the good.
Do you think that the US Government’s NSA surveillance and a billion cameras planted around the world, with direct feed, was influenced by this Bible C&V?
How Believers Try to Rule
It’s the worshippers, believers and followers – not the leaders and phony gods – who insist that their “sacred” assumed-authority / god rules over me and you. A believer’s leaders and rulers would not exist if followers, authority-worshippers and self-centered, power-crazy believers did not create them and decide on them in their own minds.
War results when two or more egos want peace – on their terms. So weaker believer, you get rid of your sacred authority and let my stronger, sacred authority / god rule you. My authority / god is entitled and yours is not.
No, you say? What? I am not getting peace on my terms? So, this means war!
Now first, let’s see who has the best blood-curdling, horrific threats to convince the other that their authority / god is best – or the meanest and bad-assed. If you do not obey, my authority / god will turn evil on you. My authority / god will save you if you submit. However, He will torture you forever if you do not yield, submit, believe in, worship, support, promote and finance Him. He gives you freedom of choice. Choose wisely or die and be tortured forever – because my authority / god loves you. He will always love you – as long as you serve Him on His terms, which, as a believer and follower – also happen to be my terms.
Then, to stop the stalemate debate, the more determined / insane believer strikes first while hoisting the flag / book of his assumed-authority / god.
The Ego’s Use of Belief
GWD: Somebody whose talent is great – the talent is for his or her own approval – not another’s. What you do has to suit you. If what you do does not suit you, what you do will probably not suit anyone. If you don’t bring something to the table, it won’t suit anybody.
Animal Ego is a behavior manifestation of: “I am the value” – “I am the authority” – “I am entitled”.
“I believe” is a manipulative term that often means: “I hope to will something I want into my reality.” “I feel entitled to will my desires into reality”. “I want you to believe what I believe and assist me in willing what I desire into reality.”
Richard Dawkins: The time has come for people of reason to say enough! Religious faith discourages independent thought, is divisive and is dangerous.
Irrational faith can be measured as a gullible meter.
The only thing I resent more than an irrational belief is an unimportant belief.
That goes for any belief in God or any other un-provable “spiritual” claim labeled “BELIEF”. If a belief is not evident, and it qualifies as nonsense because it cannot be proven, rational people should question and challenge them and their belief. Only if the claim / belief is proven should it then be KNOWN to be factual in time and not believed.
If someone holds their BELIEF to be special and superior knowledge, that is only their “sacred” authoritative EGO speaking. And denial is automatic – of course. What cannot be denied is they cannot keep their unimportant, nonsensical beliefs to themselves. It is their attempt to make their unimportant nonsense and themselves important to any who are exposed to their self-serving mindset. It is an exact example of egocentric and somewhat insane behavior.
Sorry, but occasionally the 30-year behavioral therapist in me comes out.
Psalm 69:23 Let their eyes be darkened that they see not and make their loins continually to shake.
Is this another fear-based threat designed to prevent believers from seeing the controversial C&Vs of the Bible.
If you want me to support, adopt or commit to your beliefs – you really want obedience, submission, sacrifice, compliance and support. You really want me to obey you – and probably to even sacrifice for you. Why do Christians feel entitled to the obedience and sacrifice of others? Is it because they believe that Jesus sacrificed Himself for them – and that – you and I should also? Of course – denial is automatic.
To blindly accept another’s beliefs is to accept responsibilities and authoritative rules that you are not responsible for and have no authority over.
To be free, one must give up responsibility for things that you are not responsible for.
If a clergy tells you that God wants you to have faith, ask the clergy to ask God if He can be more specific. If he then comes up with nothing, ask him if he can be more vague. If the clergy feels challenged by you, he will probably authoritatively dismiss you.
If you are a religious believer, “The God Murders” website will question and challenge what your are programmed to believe and what you feel you are entitled to believe. If you are an Atheist, the website will easily validate – by Bible C&V – your being a non-believer.
The hypnotic power and the delusion of belief is strong – as a belief is a state of hypnosis.
“I believe” can often mean: “I pretend”.
Believer disclaimer: I don’t “pretend” when I say “I believe”.
Believer, Your God-Secret Is Out!
Your personal, fictitious, imagined, ego-attached god FEELS no interest in anyone else but you – or any more than your sacred ego FEELS interest in anyone else.
Your categorical interest in any other Human Being will be in direct proportion to what you FEEL you could possibly want from them – their time, money, sex, talent, attention, support, commitment, affection, communication, labor & service – their love.
To want is a motivated feeling.
Denial may be automatic.
Can you prove this personal god-secret to be wrong?
What is “truth”?
First, a “fact” is something real and provable in time. A fact is real for everybody and a fact does not care who believes it or not. A fact, in reality, has no agenda.
A religious “truth”, for a practicing religious believer, is a manipulative lie that they are emotionally attached and obedient to. The tyrannical, authoritative believer insists / demands that others also be emotionally attached, committed and obedient. A truth always has a personal agenda attached to it as it is designed to manipulate others – to change them to suit the practicing, manipulative ego that is announcing the “truth”.
As a religionist (Christian or Islamist), you want others to be like you – or else. Don’t you? You want others to live by your values in their lives – probably with you being the center of those values – don’t you? To insist that others believe, obey or follow your truth, you are displaying an authoritative ego manifestation. Atheists are not religionist (Christians or Islamist) and do not share the practicing religionist’s dogmatic values, rules and demands – in spite of the practicing Christian’s – or Islamist’s – bogus threats.
Think – it isn’t illegal – yet.
Truth Vs Fact
Two witnesses, in a court of law, swore to tell the truth – so help them God.
One witness swore that he saw a statue that looked like a large penis.
The other witness swore that he saw a stature of Jesus Christ.
The undeniable fact was that it was a statue with a large penis on one side and Jesus Christ on the other.
Fact is always superior to truth.
G: Do you pretend to believe in Santa Claus?
B: That is a joke.
G: So, you admit that sometimes when you say that you believe – you joke?
A belief is often an attempt to “will” something into reality. Belief often serves wishful fantasy and hopeful invention.
A belief is often “positive thinking” (self-centered, idealistic delusion).
Peter Singer: Christianity did not create compassion. Buddhism addressed compassion 500 years before Christ, and Buddhists are Atheists because they don’t believe in God.
Peter Singer points out that concerning the argumentative Christian claim that Christians give to the poor and Atheists do not – Dale Carnegie, Warren Buffet and Bill Gates, all Atheists, are documented to have each given more to the poor and impoverished than any known, named Christian.
LGBTQ Sex-Role Delusion?
Believers use beliefs to manipulate their desires and their values on others. They want those others to give them free cooperation and support.
There was, a long time ago, something I thought that I liked about the Biblical God. But, after reading, studying and learning about the Biblical God, and the deeds that the Bible documented about its God, I can’t remember what it was that I liked.
Intelligence is categorical. We are all capable of learning certain things – and other things – we are not.
Faith: Believing there is an invisible man in the sky who will damn you to Eternal Torment if you don’t worship Him simply because a few thousand-year-old book told you so.
Belief is self-imposed blindness and rejection to reality.
The religious teach abstinence and that sex is a dirty, vile and disgusting act that you are to save sex only for the one you love.
Abstinence: Saving it for the worms.
John 15:14 Jesus said: You are my friend if you do whatever I command you.
So to be Jesus’ friend is conditional.
You impose your beliefs on others as if they were rules and laws. You don’t want others to argue, question or challenge your beliefs, rules and laws. You, like God, expect others to support, promote and obey them.
An authoritarian believer said: “I believe” in the afterlife.
Gary: Why is the afterlife important to you?
B: It had better be important to you as you are going to suffer “Eternal Torment”.
G: Are you lying when you claim to believe that?
B: No! I am manipulating you to save your soul.
G: So, “I believe” means “I manipulate”. Your intent to share your belief with others is your intent to manipulate the will of others? Damn! Why has it taken me so long to figure that out? You use the words “I believe” to manipulate and impose your will on others.
B: Well, of course. Everybody who knows the truth does it. I want obedience because the Bible ordered me to subdue and dominate the Earth.
This is Bible indoctrination and tyrant training.
The greater the belief and trust you have in the insane Biblical God, the greater is your betrayal to other human beings. God has ordered Bible C&V: Go kill every man, woman and child. God will send you into Eternal Torment. How much programmed fear motivates your belief in God?
Question: Who is the greatest persecutor of believers in God?
Most Atheists just want to be left alone by all promoters of religion.
More than once, I have visited a Muslim Mosk. Almost every Muslim I have met has been an exceptionally good human being.
In discussion once, a teacher of the Koran stated: “Religion is evil. God is good.” He did admit that he did not believe that the Biblical God really had His “chosen people” kill every man, woman and child in 60 cities. He chose to believe only certain C&Vs of the Bible.
He claimed that Jesus Christ was a prophet and that Jesus did not die on the cross.
In a – one on one meeting – I asked a Jewish Rabbi: Rabbi, does God exist? He looked me in the eye, smiled and said: “I don’t know.” He did emphasize how important belief in God was.
When a believer says “I believe” who much of the belief is based on knowledge and how much is hope?
Can a believer define the difference between belief and knowing? If the believer does, then “I believe” always means “I don’t know”. Why do believers share their “I don’t knows”? Why would you buy into their “I don’t knows”?
Review: Each belief is a separate state of hypnosis. To question the belief is to break the hypnosis.
To believe is to obey authority.
For many – to practice believing is to practice obeying.
What’s a mind-set believer? You can always tell a mind-set believer – but not much. Their beliefs have no room for anything outside of their mind-set programming. They are completely hypnotized – and denial is automatic. Concerning the mind-set practice of “Christian Conversion” – the behavioral image of (stupid and stubborn) brain-eating zombies comes to mind.
Praying IS Obeying
Faith
Biblical Blackmail & Extortion
The Seed of Slave Mentality
Romans 1:17: The just shall live by faith.
Romans 10:17 Faith comes by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.
Romans 14:23: Whatever is not from faith is sin.
Mark 11:22 Jesus said to them: Have faith in God.
Mark 16:16 Jesus said: He who believes and is baptized will be saved; but he who does not believe will be condemned.
Hebrews 11:6 But without faith it is impossible to please Him, for he who comes to God must believe that He is, and that He gives reward to those who diligently seek Him.
Matthew 6:30 Now if God so clothes the grass of the field, which today is, and tomorrow is thrown into the oven, will He not much more cloth you, O you of little faith.
John 3:16 For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life.
John 3:18 He that believes on Him is not condemned; but he that believes not is condemned already.
John 3:36 He who believes in the Son has everlasting life; he who does not believe the Son shall not see life, but the wrath of God abides on him.
Acts 16:30-31 What must I do to be saved? They said: Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and you will be saved…
Teach A man to fish and he will feed himself. Teach him to pray for his fish and he will starve.
If you practice obeying a fictitious authority (God), an assumed authority can more easily step in and control you.
Don’t believe me or any other man. Question everything for yourself.
Enforceable criminal and civil laws – you don’t have to believe. You know that you must obey them – or suffer their consequences.
You somewhat control your thoughts. Your beliefs usually control you. You can question your thoughts. You cannot question your beliefs because if you do, you prove not to believe.
Your beliefs control your behavior – not mine. Your belief that you have power over others has no influence or control over me.
Do you tend to use your beliefs as manipulative tools?
To promote your beliefs is to promote gambling because when you say “I believe” – in reality – you are declaring to the world “I don’t know”. Why would you expect others to buy into your “I don’t knows”? If you tell me that you believe, you are not telling me that you know. You are telling me: “I don’t know”.
Because the question is the highest form of thought, you have the power to change a belief into a thought by simply questioning it.
A belief, like a theory, is another definite, guaranteed maybe.
God consists of faith and belief – nothing more.
Albert Einstein: I cannot imagine a God who rewards and punishes the objects of his creation, whose purposes are modeled after our own – a God, in short, who is but a reflection of human frailty. Neither can I believe that the individual survives the death of his body, although feeble souls harbor such thoughts through fear or ridiculous egotisms.
Believers tend to serve tradition and the past. Thinkers struggle to seek enlightenment and facts so to better evolve into thoughts yet to be experienced. Believers seek dogma – not enlightenment – and it may take many progressive, human life cycles to break out of the prison of redundant belief. Thinking and knowing is more beneficial than believing and gambling. To not promote supernatural nonsense as fact may be a fair start.
People say “I believe” because they are trying to change the world to become more what they want. Believers are delusional when they try to will reality into their expectation. And, believers expect you and me to help them in their agenda. People share their beliefs to invent the world they wish to live in. Beliefs are challenges – and like fictitious people, egos or gods – they are competitive.
Islam is Competing to Change the World?
In my “The God Murders” debate with believers, the website’s words say what they mean and mean what they say. Often believer’s debate in a manner that reminds me of the French philosopher, Voltaire, who wrote: “There are some who only employ words for the purpose of disguising their thoughts.”
Many religious believers claim and fight for individual freedom – yet – they practice and promote mental / emotional slavery to their Biblical God. They also tend to discipline and restrict the freedom of others. Many believers will go to war for their imperialistic beliefs.
In war, it is the perfect believer who makes perfect canon-fodder.
Secular Humanism is a secular ideology which espouses reason, ethics and justice while rejecting supernatural and religious dogma as a basis of morality and decision making.
Many non-religious people are more likely to be Humanists because their moral beliefs are rooted more in the world around them, the world of their fellow man. Religious people base their morality not on the world around them but on laws that were written thousands of years ago, that may or may not be the teachings of a mystical being, which can be interpreted in many ways.
Hope / Faith / Belief
To Believe In God – All You Need Is Faith?
Does God & Faith Have Any Reality & Substance?
The Judeo-Christian-Islamic religions train you to hope, to believe and to have faith in what it is programmed hope, faith and belief.
One conflict with hope is – if a Christian currently hopes, he or she is not currently happy with what God has dealt them. Ergo, to hope is to complain against God.
Both the Judeo-Christian God and the Islamic Allah demand death for not being obeyed – even concerning their insane, illegal commandments. Some of their documented insane, illegal commandments are: To kill an unruly son, to kill the infidel, to kill non-virgin girls, to kill gay men. Anyone who does not view these commandments to be insane and illegal – is themselves insane and prone to do insane, murderous things.
Aleister Crowley: One would go mad if one took the Bible seriously; but to take it seriously one must be already mad.
Believers indicate that obedience is more important than knowledge or questioning.
The religious love that praying to God is the practice of obeying.
If you pray for something you personally want – nothing fails like prayer.
Two hands that work gets more work done than 7 billion pairs of hands clasped in prayer.
Religious training is subordinate soldier, slave, obedience training.
Subordinate Slave / Soldier
Believers are often in error but never in doubt. If you prove them to be in error, they will claim that they said that they believed – not that they knew. Their beliefs also gets them out of a lot of blatant lies.
Hope is a meaningless feeling – usually with dramatic, emotional (do want) intensity – because its fruits always lie in the future. By definition, hope is rarely realized in the now. To act on mere hope, belief, and having faith is to gamble.
Las Vegas gambling is motivated by hope, belief, and having faith. The agenda is – you are to win often and to lose it all once.
“My belief is” often means “my agenda is.” That is why believers want you to share their beliefs. Their beliefs / agendas give them a sense of self. It often builds their often false self-image.
If it weren’t for hope, belief and faith, 90% of therapists and 100% of clergy would be out of business. For the chronic hopeful, hope is the fearful, cowardly, do nothing, substitute for confident, responsible and prepared action. Your hope is like being the rear dog pulling a dog sled. No matter how fast you go you never get closer to the one in front – and the view is always the same.
How much faith is nonsense / delusion?
The words “faith & “belief” are used to trigger hypnosis.
Christopher Hitchens: What can be asserted without proof can be dismissed without proof.
The manipulator’s agenda and tools: The hope, belief, have faith agenda is to persuade you to work harder in the hope that things will change and profit you. Mostly, whoever motivates what you should hope for is usually who also profits if you succeed.
You have to ask yourself, are you encouraged to have hope simply to make you obey and do nothing or to achieve something that benefits the one who encouraged you?
Most chronic hopes for the better don’t change for you because your mindset beliefs are designed to prevent change.
I am not religious. Because I know what the Bible documents about its God, I am an Atheist. Fictional or not, I do not want to help the Biblical God. As a Humanist, I want to assist Humanity in helping itself.
Friedrick Nietzsche: There is not enough love and goodness in the world to permit giving any of it away to imaginary beings. The words hope, belief, and have faith are used by the manipulative cons and the devious: “Take the crap I am giving you now in the hope that things will get better (but as long as I control you, I won’t want them to get better.”)
In other words as long as you believe – you are expected to – “Shut up and do as required.”
When you buy into hope, belief and having faith, you usually do shut up and do as required – don’t you?
Is that NOT the way that you want someone that you tell to have hope, to belief, and to have faith to obey you?
What trains you to hope, believe and to have faith more than fear-based, consequential, eternal-torment religion?
Eternal-Torment?
For someone to tell you these things, they are trying to make your decision to do nothing for you and for you to agree to let some agenda or someone have its way with you.
Your “controllers” want you to accept what is going on now in the hope that good times will come. They really just want to con you to agree to let them have their way. Once you agree to hope, believe and having faith, they have made your decision for you.
The words hope, belief, and having faith will attempt to lead the gullible to a false promise. It doesn’t fulfill, but, by the time you realize it, it’s too late.
Hope, belief, and having faith are tools to keep you in the sacrifice mode.
Programmed hope is designed to keep you from rebelling.
You can’t have hope now / today, only tomorrow. Hope is always for later or for tomorrows.
When hope fails later / tomorrow, we can only hope for it’s the fulfillment sometime later.
Do not be conned. Question and demand fairness, accountability, justice and freedom now and tomorrow!
That’s how hope works – or – more realistically doesn’t work.
“Abstinance” is to sex education like “just hold it” is to potty training.
When you are unhappy, change is a motivating word.
When promised change, always ask from what to what will change take place. HOPE for what? Faith in what? Change what? Believe what? Insist on an answer now!
If the hope promoter does not tell you their view of change now, they have none. They want to influence and control you.
It is crucial for an assumed authority to not specify and detail what is meant by his hope, belief, and having faith.
The thinker approaches the Bible with questions of substance. Thinkers dare question scripture.
The believer approaches the Bible with no questions of substance.
Jesus’ Miracles
John 14:11 Jesus said: Believe me when I say that I am in the Father and the Father is in me; or at least believe on the evidence of the miracles themselves.
Ergo, The Believer Claims:
Jesus was born of a virgin birth.
Jesus changed water into wine.
Jesus cast out demons.
Jesus calmed a stormy sea.
Jesus walked on water.
Jesus caught 153 fish.
Jesus fed thousands with 2 fishes.
Jesus healed the sick, diseased, paralyzed, crippled, blind, deaf and mute.
Jesus raised the dead.
Jesus transformed into His transfigured body.
Jesus restored a severed ear.
Jesus resurrected after His death.
Jesus passed through walls.
Jesus appeared to disciples after His resurrection.
Jesus ascended into Heaven.
Upon Jesus’s death, the graves opened and the dead walked the Earth.
The Critic: I don’t believe that.
The Believer: Really! What part?
The con-man will tell you that he is for you – but don’t you dare ask him details as to how he is for you. You will expose his manipulative agenda.
Another “Holy Trinity”: Faith / Belief / Delusion – all three are one.
Con-Men?
In therapy, crying often takes place. Crying is often a signal that anger is being vented, sadness is being purged and fear is being faced. A therapist’s tool is to consider that the client is in a fishbowl with his or her problem. If, emotionally, the therapist were to enter into the fishbowl with the client, the therapist would be useless and ineffective. The therapist’s practice is to address the client’s issues, ask the sensitive questions, and take them where others cannot and will not. A surgeon must emotionally distance himself from the body he is performing surgery on. Unless, hypnosis is used, unlike a surgeon, the therapist must endure the pain the client is experiencing during his or her session. Over time, like a conditioned surgeon who loses patients, painful therapy takes a toll on therapists.
In the early 1980s, two Los Angeles police detectives came to my office and asked me if I had a therapy session with a certain woman. I said I had one session with her a few months earlier. In referring to my notes, I recalled that the client’s session issues had no “red flags”. There was no discussion concerning her primary relationship nor her life-style. On occasion, if I sense a “red flag”, I will tape the session. There was nothing exposed in this session that indicated a “red flag”. The session was not taped.
This session was not taped. They reported that she and her lesbian roommate apparently made and carried out their double “suicide pact”. The detectives had found my business-card in her purse.
Democrats and Republicans compete for power and profit over people. Christianity and Islam are just fear-based and blackmailing political parties that compete for power and profit over people.
How Religion’s Demand for Obedience Keeps Us in the Dark Ages – by Adam Lee.
1 John 5:7-8 There are 3 that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost and these 3 are 1.
Matthew 28:19 Jesus said: All authority has been given to Me in Heaven and on Earth. Go and make disciples of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and the Son and the Holy Spirit, teaching them to observe all that I commanded you; and I am with you always, even to the end of the age.
(The end of anything is NOT always.)
The term “The Trinity” is not found in the Bible. “The Father, The Son and The Holy Ghost” was later termed “The Trinity”.
Ergo – “The Trinity” claims that:
Jesus is God and The Holy Spirit.
God is Jesus and The Holy Spirit.
The Holy Spirit is Jesus and God.
If Jesus is the Holy Spirit, then Jesus knocked-up His Own mother, Mary, to produce Himself.
Nice, virtuous scenario – huh? However, one must accept that Jesus Christ impregnated Mary, His own mother, to honestly believe in “The Trinity“.
As angry as it may make you, you can’t have it both ways and if you are honest – there is no wiggle-room.
To be redundant: If Jesus is the Holy-Spirit, then Jesus “knocked-up” His own mother.
It is a fact: The word “TRINITY” does NOT appear anywhere in Bible.
The Catholic religion, which is the biggest and the oldest Christian religion, maintains that “The Virgin Mary” remained a virgin throughout her life. How can that be if “Baby Jesus” passed through the “Virgin Mary’s” vaginal / birth canal?
If “The Virgin Mary” and Joseph never had sex, they were not legally married under Jewish law and they just shacked up. Why? Because legal marriage, under Jewish law, had to be consummated by sex. So, by that qualification, were Joseph and “The Virgin Mary” legally married? Where did all of Jesus’ named brothers: James, Joseph, Simon and Judas come from? There is no Biblical documentation that Joseph had been married or had children before His time with “The Virgin Mary”.
If Jesus was also God, then it was God who died on the cross. Didn’t the Holy Spirit also die on the cross?
Nonsense can certainly be complicated. Can any Christian, God-inspired believer explain each of these issues in a logical, reasonable manner so that thinking realists can intellectually understand and emotionally accept their “realistic” explanation?
To hope or to have faith is not a strategy.
Does anyone know a “Practicing Christian”, who believes in the “Virgin Birth and “The Resurrection”, to be a realist?
Paul often mentioned things like: The grace of Jesus Christ, the love of God and the fellowship of the Holy Spirit. . .
Jesus had His God and prayed to His God. Ergo, Jesus was not God.
Mormons, and some other major Christian religions, do not hold to any “Trinity“. Different strokes – it seems.
Q: So, what do you think?
Believer: I don’t know and I don’t care. All I know is that I believe! End of story!
I believe truely means: I really do not know.
You can always tell a believer – but, not much.
Isn’t faith mostly idealistic, hopeful fantasy?
Could “The Trinity” really be “The Quartet”? God / Jesus Christ / The Holy Ghost / Satan?
According to scripture, how does God NOT qualify to be Satan any more than God does NOT qualify to be Jesus Christ or The Holy Ghost?
According to this doctrine, God exists as three persons but is one God, meaning that God the Son and God the Holy Spirit have exactly the same nature or being as God the Father in every way. Whatever attributes and power God the Father has, God the Son and God the Holy Spirit have as well. “Thus, God the Son and God the Holy Spirit are also eternal, omnipresent, omnipotent, infinitely wise, infinitely holy, infinitely loving, omniscient.”
The doctrine developed from the Biblical language used in New Testament passages such as the baptismal formula in Matthew 28:19 and took substantially its present form by the end of the 4th century as a result of controversies concerning the proper sense in which to apply to God and Christ terms such as “person”, “nature”, “essence”, and “substance”.
“TRINITY. The word trinity is not found in the bible, it did not find a place formally in the theology of the church till the 4th century.” (The Illustrated bible dictionary, vol.3. USA: Tyndale house publishers, 1980.) “The doctrine of The Holy Trinity is not taught in The Old Testament” (New Catholic encyclopedia, p.306) The doctrine of trinity is not found in the Bible. (Christian beliefs, p.32)
In the New Testament, there is no explicit statement of the doctrine: (Baker’s Dictionary of Theology. Michigan, USA: Baker Book House, 1988.) Neither the word Trinity, nor the explicit doctrine as such, appears in The New Testament, nor did Jesus Christ and his followers intend to contradict the Shema in The Old Testament. ‘Hear, O Israel: The Lord our God is one Lord’. (Deuteronomy 6:4 (Encyclopedia Britannica, vol. 10. USA: Encyclopedia Britannica, Inc., 1976.)
Exegetes and theologians today are in agreement that the Hebrew Bible does not contain a doctrine of Trinity.
(Eliade, Mircea, ed. The Encyclopedia of Religion, vol. 15. New York: Mcmillan Publishing Co., 1987.)
Careful reading of The Old Testament shows no indication of the trinity itself…” (An introduction to the Christian Faith. Oxford, England: Lynx Communications, 1992.)
The New Testament formulates no doctrine of The Trinity. (Richardson, Alan., D.D. An introduction to the Theology of the New Testament. London: SCM Press ltd., 1958.) The Old Testament does not plainly and directly teach The Trinity (Pearlman, Myer. Knowing the Doctrines of the Bible. Missouri, USA: Gospel Publishing House, 1981.)
The Trinity was formulated between the end of the 2nd and 4th centuries.
The Trinity of God is defined by the church as the belief that in God are three persons who subsist in one nature. The belief as so defined was reached only in the 4th and 5th centuries AD and hence is not explicitly and formally a biblical belief. Actually, the terms do not appear in the Bible. The Trinitarian definitions arose as the result of long controversies in which these terms and others such as ‘essence’ and ‘substance’ were erroneously applied to God by some theologians. (McKenzie, John L. Dictionary of the bible, Archdiocese of Chicago. New York USA: Macmillan publishing Co., 1996)
Systematic Theology, p.82 The Church began to formulate its doctrine of “The Trinity” in the 4th century.
“But the word ‘trinity’ is not a word of two-ness. It is a word of three-ness and comes from the Latin word trinitas coined by Tertullian of Carthage at the end of second century.” (Olyott, Stuart. The Three Are One: What the Bible teaches about The Trinity. England: Evangelical Press,1996.)
Tertullian and Cyprian of North Africa, Clement and Origen in Alexandria, began to clarify and define the still inchoate doctrines concerning the relation of the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit and to set forth the claims of the Church to power and authority. But lack of complete agreement among them gave scope to acrimonious disputes. (Noss, John B. Man’s Religions. New York, USA: The Macmillan Company, 1949.)
And so by the end of the period of the Apostolic Fathers there was no belief in a preexistent Trinity. (The Philosophy of the Church Fathers, p.191)
A catholic priest said: The trinity is a wonderful mystery. No one understands it. The most learned theologian, the holiest Pope, the greatest saint, all are as mystified by it as the child of seven. It is one of the things which we shall know only when we see God face to face. (God and Myself: An Inquiry into the true religion, Martin J. Scott, p.118)
If that’s the case, if The Trinity is so mysterious and no one understands even theologians, POPES, and whatsoever, how could a man on the street understand it? Huh? Why does it cannot understand by anyone, unless just covering the truth that it was just a FORMULATION of the CHURCH FATHERS? It cannot be understand because it was not the doctrine FROM the BIBLE, and so it was called MAN MADE TEACHING! Tsk. Tsk. Hurt to hear, but TRUTH.
How about the word “Elohim”?
Is it a proof or evidence that there are 3 persons in one god? The answer? NO! because even those who study about Trinity, the word “Elohim” means “gods” (many God) and does not mean “persons”.
If the word “Elohim” will use as an evidence to the doctrine Trinity, it will show that there are “many God”. And so, William Smith say this: “The fanciful idea that it referred to the Trinity of Persons in the Godhead, hardly finds now a supporter among scholars. It is either what grammarians call the plural of majesty or denotes the fullness of divine strength, the sum of the powers displayed by God.(Smith’s Bible Dictionary. New York, USA: Jove publications Inc. 1982.)
So, it is not WE, or the Church of Christ (Iglesia Ni Cristo) whom only says that The Trinity cannot be found on the bible, and even not a teaching from Christ! Is the doctrine Trinity a doctrine from the BIBLE? SIMPLE. NO!
Can “The Trinity” actually “The Quartet”? = God / The Holy Ghost / Jesus / Satan?
GWD: Nonsense does not stop being nonsense just because a Human Ego attaches God’s name to it.
Leo Tolstoy: One may say with one’s lips: I believe that God is one, and also three – but no one can believe it, because the words have no sense.
Thomas Jefferson: It is too late in the day for men of sincerity to pretend they believe in the Platonic mysticisms that three are one, and one is three; and yet that the one is not three, and the three are not one.
Robert Ingersoll: According to the celestial multiplication table, once one is three, and three times one is one, and according to heavenly subtraction if we take two from three, three are left. The addition is equally peculiar, if we add two to one we have but one. Each one is equal to himself and the other two. Nothing ever was, nothing ever can be more perfectly idiotic and absurd than the dogma of the Trinity.
Elbert Hubbard: Faith is the effort to believe what your common sense tells you is not true.
Athanasian Creed
1. Whosoever will be saved, before all things it is necessary that he hold the catholic faith;
2. Which faith except every one do keep whole and undefiled, without doubt he shall perish everlastingly.
3. And the catholic faith is this: That we worship one God in Trinity, and Trinity in Unity;
4. Neither confounding the persons nor dividing the substance.
5. For there is one person of the Father, another of the Son, and another of the Holy Spirit.
6. But the Godhead of the Father, of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit is all one, the glory equal, the majesty coeternal.
7. Such as the Father is, such is the Son, and such is the Holy Spirit.
8. The Father uncreated, the Son uncreated, and the Holy Spirit uncreated.
9. The Father incomprehensible, the Son incomprehensible, and the Holy Spirit incomprehensible.
10. The Father eternal, the Son eternal, and the Holy Spirit eternal.
11. And yet they are not three eternals but one eternal.
12. As also there are not three uncreated nor three incomprehensible, but one uncreated and one incomprehensible.
13. So likewise the Father is almighty, the Son almighty, and the Holy Spirit almighty.
14. And yet they are not three almighties, but one almighty.
15. So the Father is God, the Son is God, and the Holy Spirit is God;
16. And yet they are not three Gods, but one God.
17. So likewise the Father is Lord, the Son Lord, and the Holy Spirit Lord;
18. And yet they are not three Lords but one Lord.
19. For like as we are compelled by the Christian verity to acknowledge every Person by himself to be God and Lord;
20. So are we forbidden by the catholic religion to say; There are three Gods or three Lords.
21. The Father is made of none, neither created nor begotten.
22. The Son is of the Father alone; not made nor created, but begotten.
Atheism – Hummm
23. The Holy Spirit is of the Father and of the Son; neither made, nor created, nor begotten, but proceeding.
24. So there is one Father, not three Fathers; one Son, not three Sons; one Holy Spirit, not three Holy Spirits.
25. And in this Trinity none is afore or after another; none is greater or less than another.
26. But the whole three persons are coeternal, and coequal.
27. So that in all things, as aforesaid, the Unity in Trinity and the Trinity in Unity is to be worshipped.
28. He therefore that will be saved must thus think of the Trinity.
29. Furthermore it is necessary to everlasting salvation that he also believe rightly the incarnation of our Lord Jesus Christ.
30. For the right faith is that we believe and confess that our Lord Jesus Christ, the Son of God, is God and man.
31. God of the substance of the Father, begotten before the worlds; and man of substance of His mother, born in the world.
32. Perfect God and perfect man, of a reasonable soul and human flesh subsisting.
33. Equal to the Father as touching His Godhead, and inferior to the Father as touching His manhood.
34. Who, although He is God and man, yet He is not two, but one Christ.
35. One, not by conversion of the Godhead into flesh, but by taking of that manhood into God.
36. One altogether, not by confusion of substance, but by unity of person.
37. For as the reasonable soul and flesh is one man, so God and man is one Christ;
38. Who suffered for our salvation, descended into hell, rose again the third day from the dead;
39. He ascended into heaven, He sits on the right hand of the Father, God, Almighty;
40. From thence He shall come to judge the quick and the dead.
41. At whose coming all men shall rise again with their bodies;
42. and shall give account of their own works.
43. And they that have done good shall go into life everlasting and they that have done evil into everlasting fire.
44. This is the Catholic faith, which except a man believe faithfully he cannot be saved.
Have you ever seen anything so nonsensical and absurd?
There is one word that can replace the word “God” in any, every and all contexts.
That word is: AUTHORITY.
Examples: May Authority bless you. Authority damn you. Authority is great. Praise Authority. We thank Authority…
Atheists don’t tend to do that. Ergo, practicing, worshipful believers resent / dislike / even hate Atheists.
That’s why I view practicing religious believers as “Authority Worshippers”.
The problem with that is – believers then want to impose their Authority (God) / values / agendas / desires on others – even by threat of consequence.
This is one big reason why The God Murders website exists.
The God Murders website is the Atheist’s best friend.
“Intelligence is categorical”.
“Insanity is contagious”.
“A high percentage of stupid is stubborn.”
Genesis 6:1-2 When the daughters of men were born, the sons of God saw how beautiful they were and took for their wives as many as they chose. KJV
Genesis 6:4 The Son’s of God impregnated the daughters of Men?
Did God and God’s Sons have Sex Organs?
Who did God have Sex with to give birth to these Sons?
Was God monogamous?
If God’s sons fell from God’s grace, couldn’t God parent His own Sons?
Did God destroy all – except for Noah’s family – due to God’s sons impregnating daughters of men?
The Biblical God had Sons! If the Bible is “God’s word” and “God’s word” says the Sons of God – then Jesus Christ was NOT God’s “Only Begotten Son”.
Was the all-knowing, all-powerful Biblical God in control of this?
How did “The Son’s of God” marry flesh & blood women?
Were “The Son’s of God” Angels?
Genesis 6:4 The Titans (the fallen ones) were on Earth in those days and also later. The sons of God had come onto the daughters of man and had fathered them. The Titans were the mightiest ones who ever existed, men of renown. Torah
The Titans?
Who were God’s sons, the Titans? Were they the giants? Did they turn against God? Did that cause them to be the fallen ones? Does this explain where Cain’s wife, maybe a fallen one, came from?
Genesis 6:4 The Sons of God had intercourse with the daughters of man who bore them sons. (Catholic)
What? Whew! Change the rating of this Catholic version!
Sons of God? Does God, have gender, sex organs? The Sons of God obviously had sex organs to have intercourse with Human women?
If they were God’s son’s, did God have sex organs also? Are these God’s sexually transmitted sons, or is God a hermaphrodite? Did God have sex with one female or many females to produce these sons? Oh, what to believe?
God said: Behold the man has become as one of us…
Who is God is talking to? His sons, the fallen sons? They took as many Human women as they could? Who said God created man because He was all alone in the universe? Was the Biblical God an inept, dysfunctional father concerning His Heavenly family? Couldn’t God get along with His own family, the family that He sired? Did God’s Sons rape unwilling women with God’s consent? Did His sons have a falling out with God? Again, if God’s Sons did improper acts with these women, what does that say about God’s parenting skills concerning His own offspring?
Is this all more than you want to know? Is your desire for knowledge and facts stronger than your fear of some questions?
In a Satan story, taken from assorted Chapters & Verses throughout the Bible, Satan and 1/3rd of the Angels fell from Heaven.
Then was God only 2/3rds popular in Heaven?
Satan & 1/3rd of the Angels?
This alludes to pastor Arnold Murray’s “1st Earth Age” as previously discussed. God, clergy boasts, can hold up to any question; but can clergy?
Believer: I don’t want to ask certain questions or to know certain facts and I don’t want you to either. I know that I have the right to know. I just don’t want to know – even if it matters. I just want to stop you from doing what you are doing.
Presidents and tyrants get away with heinous, murderous acts due to the same “head in the sand” attitude.
To believe: To let others do your thinking and decision-making for you. Do you know any “Ostriches”, in fearful denial, with their heads in the sand?
Do you realize that the more you hope, the less you are satisfied with the deal God dealt you? The more you pray, the more you are telling God how to do His business.
Genesis 6:3 God’s spirit shall not always strive with man because he is flesh, yet man shall live 120 years. KJV
What? God will eventually desert man? In 1900 AD, the average lifespan of human beings in the United States of America was 47.3 years. Then, in 1995, it was 76.3 years. Jeannie Calment of France died in 1997 at 121 years of age.
Genesis 6:6 God regretted (Torah) repented (KJV) that He had made man on Earth.
God regretted and repented that He had made Man!
It is documented by Bible C&V that God is NOT perfect! God regretted / repented that He had made man.
God was sorry? God repented? God was fallible? Did not the “holy” Bible claim that God made a mistake?
How many righteous child-abusers have also admitted that they made a mistake by their having children.
Genesis 6:7-10 God decides: Except for (8 people) Noah, his wife, his sons, Shem, Ham and Japheth and their wives Who? Who? and Who? and some of each kind of animals, including serpents, God would murder every living thing.
A question to you:
How many of each animal did God order to be taken aboard Noah’s Arc?
Your answer is?
Genesis 7:2 God ordered: Of the clean animals (the animals you can eat) take 7 pairs each. Of the unclean animals, take 1 pair each.
Of the Clean Animals take 7 Pairs Each!
One Thinks One Knows One’s Bible!
Other claims of Sons of God:
Exodus 4:22 And you shall say unto Pharaoh, the LORD says, Israel is my son, even my firstborn…
Luke 3:38 Who was the son of Enos, who was the son of Seth, who was the son of Adam, who was the son of God.
Religion teaches, trains, programs and brainwashes Human Beings to worship, praise, follow, obey, promote, support and finance a “False Authority” / God so that an “Assumed Authority” can more easily step in and receive all the insane, fanatical and Loyal obedience demanded of religion. Governments all over the Earth promote religion. Through religion, authoritative, mind-set, programmed, conditioned, brain-washed individuals will more easily transfer their allegiance to a con man who “Assumed Authority”.
For years, starting in 2015, zealous Evangelicals in the United States of America gave President Donald J. Trump more money and power just before, during and after his presidency than they gave to churches. And what was “Christlike” about Donald J. Trump? Nothing! Trump was fact-checked to have publicly spoken 30,529 lies during his 1 term as President. Nevertheless, the most gullible and fanatical Evangelicals believed, obeyed, worshiped, promoted, supported, and financed the narcissistic and egocentric Donald J. Trump. Let’s see how much our U.S. law worships this con man and enemy of the United States Constitution.
Ah, the errancy of blind faith and worshipful belief.
Mark Twain: Religion was invented when the first conman met the first fool.
Religion is slavery. Religion is the death of enlightenment. Religion is conformity to social tyranny. Religion is fear-based dogma. Religion is primitive politics. Religion is power and profit over people.
Religion Is Primitive Politics Power & Profit Over People
In investigation and examination, the Judeo-Christian-Islamic religions prove to be programmed, fear-based tyrannical absurdities.
Q: Would you let your God or your President off the hook from any serious questions or criticisms of His deeds, agendas or behavior – especially when those deeds, agendas & behaviors concern the destruction of you, your family or other Human Beings?
Perspective: In reality, outside of the laws of nature and science, all authority is assumed authority. Specifically, no man nor woman has authority that is not assumed. Man-made positions assume authority.
Example: A US President assumes authority of the presidency only during the 4-year term he or she is elected. Ater the term is over he or she has no presidential authority.
If you “believe” – and you are successfully programmed to be “mind-set” – so to disregard and overlook all the authoritative Biblical God’s murderous deeds, as they are documented by Bible, C&V, you will also tend to overlook your authoritative President’s wrong doings – no matter who he is. Your mind-set would be: “My God, my King, my Country – right or wrong.” You will constantly try to stop any critic from taking issue with or questioning your sacred God’s or your authoritative President’s murderous and illegal agendas.
My God, my King, my Country – right or wrong
Give Me the Order to Kill and Die for You
A Soldier’s Prayer: My God, My King, My Country – Just Give Me The Order To Kill and Die For You.
Throughout history – and our genetic life-cycles – much of this “condition” is redundantly programmed into our animal genes and genetically triggered by authoritative religious doctrine.
War results when two egos want peace – on their terms.
Wars result only after the politicians fail.
An authoritative Ego’s ultimate objective of war is to break another Ego’s will – and for that broken will to become totally subservient and obedient to the Authority’s will – or die.
Authoritative Christians and Islamists are in the constant practice of waging war to break and convert other’s wills to Christianity or to Islam. If you fail to convert your will to Christianity, authoritative Christians will threaten you with “Spiritual Death” and “Eternal Torment”. When a Christian tries to convert you, they are waging war to break your will and to conform your will to theirs. To “save your soul” is simply to “break your will”. What did you think the “salvation agenda” was all about?
“Free-will”? “Assumed authorities” constantly try to break, harness and confine your “free-will” to the restrictions and supervision of God – or any other “assumed authority”. You’ve got to have “free-will” before an “assumed authority” can break your “free-will” in order to control you for the purpose of serving them. The God-game is the authority-obedience game.
There is one word that replaces the word “God” in all cases. That word is “Authority”. May authority bless you. May authority damn you.
Authority teaches you to believe, to follow, to obey, not to think for yourself. Religion invents a God who wants you to commit, to follow, to obey what God demands. Kings, Emperors and Presidents want religions in their countries to secure more obedience, loyalty and the willingness to sacrifice.
This is the importance of religion:
“I believe” means “I commit”, “I follow”, “I obey”. Parents, bosses and other authoritarians, promote religions to establish their authority and to get served on their terms.
You were born a sinner?
“Judge Not – Be Not Judged”
Without Judgment You will harm yourself and others
People who discourage you to use judgment or to decide will assume the right to make your decisions for you. They insist that they make your decisions for you and that you are not to judge or make decisions for yourself. They demand obedience to them and to serve them on their terms. Parents demand it or you are punished. Teachers demand it or you fail. Employers demand it or you are fired. The law demands it or you are put in prison. They do not want you to judge or decide for yourself. Like God, parents and employers, etc. they only want you to obey them.
Concerning religion, if your will is successfully broken and you are converted, you are promised paradise. Praise and punishment are the tools of dog training.
Most successful, authoritative, “might makes right” Governments require their peasants to be religious, worshipful, obedient and prayerful. In the United States of America, those peasants are mostly called Christians. Those Christians are to become brainwashed, by virtue, so to do their authoritative Government’s murderous bidding with enthusiasm and without conscience. They are trained to aggressively do unto others what they would not want others to do unto them.
Religions like Christianity and Islam create “Sheeple” – who allow their authoritative Governments to painfully sacrifice them – and their kids – so that their assumed Governmental leaders can have their way. These religions demand “Be Like Me – Or Else”. Religion constantly re-cycles this reality – this insanity.
The Christian agenda is to convert those with “free-will” and it uses the Bible to strengthen Christianity’s grip on its followers.
This IS the secret importance of religion – and, how religion is used by any wannabe assumed authority. Do you know or have you ever known any individuals who practice this breaking of wills, warlike agenda?
Revelation 2:7 Jesus said: To him who conquers I will grant to eat of the tree of life, which is in the paradise of God.
Revelation 2:17 Jesus said: To him who conquers I will give some of the hidden manna, and I will give him a white stone, with a new name written on the stone which no one knows except him who receives it.
Revelation 3:5 Jesus said: He who conquers shall be clad in white garments. I will not blot his name out of the book of life. I will confess his name before my Father and before his angels.
Revelation 3:12 Jesus said: He who conquers, I will make a pillar in the temple of my God. Never shall he go out of it. I will write on him the name of my God, and the name of the city of my God, the new Jerusalemwhich comes down from my God out of heaven, and my own new name.
Revelation 3:21 Jesus said: He who conquers, I will grant to sit with me on my throne, as I myself conquered and sat down with my Father on his throne.
Did Jesus lie when He promised 5 times to reward he who conquers?
Jesus inspires the waging of war on all to be in His service.
Jesus Christ gave “The Golden Rule”: “Do unto others as you would have them do unto you”. (Ah, the rapist fantasy.)
Would a rapist wish that his victim would force him to have sex with her?
A more sensible and legal creed would be: Do not do to another what you would not have them do to you.
Why do Governments promote religions? In religion, God is authority. The word authority can replace the word God in any context. Test it.
To worship God is to worship authority. Governments promote the worship of authority / god. Religion makes it easier for Governments to be blindly obeyed by the practicing worshipper / believer.
As a believer, do you tend to mentally and emotionally push away certain controversial Bible C&Vs? If so, can you explain why?
Why Believers Support Governments:
Romans 13:1-7 Let every person be subject to governing authorities. God has appointed those who exist in authority. Rulers are only a terror to your bad conduct. Would you have no fear of him who is in authority? Do what is good and you will receive his approval, for he is God’s servant for your own good. If you do wrong, be afraid. He does not wear his weapon for show. He is a servant of God to execute his wrath on the wrong-doer. For the same reason, you must also pay taxes, respect and honor to all who are due.
This is a great Biblical source as to the why and how God was created by tyrants. This same Biblical God is still used today as a tool, a weapon to greedily oppress, blackmail, subordinate, manipulate, enslave, and to extort from gullible, naïve believers.
More Clergy and Perspectives:
Eugene Rivers III: In the black community faith and hope have died. That’s part of the moral prescription of the book, that we’ll do well if we do right, but where do we see the do well part? This is just more drugs. You’re trying to give us your version of narcotics. We don’t want to hear the traditions of the flat-earth fundamentalists. They give us the Bible and take our money. They have all the resources while we starve and sing jubilee songs to entertain them. Were not going to play that game. Religion is not about waiting for the mother ship to come down.
G: Sir, I couldn’t agree more. Couldn’t a few clergy take a dose of that logic?
In 1800 AD, there were 1 billion people alive on Earth. In 2023 there are about 8 billion people. If our population grows at the present rate, there will be almost 12 billion people in 73 years / 2100.
8 billion people in 2023/ 12 people billion in 2100
What is our future if the 8 billion people on Earth today should be fruitful and multiply like Jacob’s family did? Today, about 385,000 babies are born each day. Many authoritarian egos want to populate and rule this world in his or her own image.
Believer: I don’t like what you say and I resent that you said it. Thinker: I agree with what you said, but you didn’t say it the way I want it said. I have discovered that nobody, believers nor thinkers, really like or want to discuss the conflictive and contradictory contents of the Bible or the undesirable behaviors of its God. I’ve learned it’s not me. If you could get a non-clergy to explain a few of these selected chapters and verse passages, they would get angry and quit without you saying a word. They may criticize you just for pointing them out.
Billy Graham on the Larry King Show
The Rev. Billy Graham on Larry King live Feb. 5, 1998. Topic: Prayer
Note: Karla Faye Tucker was found guilty of murder. She later was saved, prayed to live, had faith in Jesus Christ, and, by numerous testimonies, boldly faced her death by lethal injection. Actually, her death, as reported, was more courageous than Jesus’ death.
Larry King: What do you do when prayers are unanswered? Karla Faye Tucker prayed to stay alive and she didn’t. Did that mean that God rejected it?
Billy Graham: No. No it does not.
Larry: Well, unanswered prayers mean what to you, or a prayer answered negatively?
Billy: Well, I have a friend with me right now who was going to get on an eastern airliner. It was a few years ago and it was hard to get on at the end of the war. And, he prayed to get on because he had to keep an engagement. But, he couldn’t get on. He was bumped. He went back to the house and felt badly about it, felt God hadn’t answered his prayer. But, when he got home, he found out the plane had crashed and killed everybody on board. And uh, God knew what was going to happen and saved him.
Larry: Now, when He… What did He do for the other people on the plane, though?
Billy: (Nervous laugh). That’s the question I don’t know the answer to.
Larry: How do you answer that to yourself? What do you say to yourself?
Billy: I say that this is God’s plan for all of us. I believe there is a moment God has set aside when I’m to die.
Reverend Graham once preached on world television before thousands of people that God had turned his back on Jesus when He was on the cross because Jesus had taken upon Himself all the sins of the world and God couldn’t stand to be around sin.
Billy Graham, sir! In the book of Job 1:6 & 2:1, how could sinful Satan talk with God in His presence? Satan talked with God and, if fact, successfully tempted God concerning Job. If God was successfully tempted, moved or enticed by Satan, how can God judge us mere mortals to “Eternal Torment” for being tempted, moved or enticed by Satan?
Finis
PBS, TV: Father Gilbert Graham, a Roman Catholic Priest: God made me just as I am; and, if God wanted me to be different, God would have made me different.
G: Isn’t that just “freakin” beautiful? For a final “feel-good”, wouldn’t it be just wonderful if every death-row convict could be lucky enough to draw Father Graham to do his last rights just before his execution? Then other believers, with faith and without conscience, can commit their heinous crimes while believing that their God simply made them the way they are to do what they do. And, should they be caught, they would, by faith, be saved and rewarded, by grace, through Jesus Christ, in an after-life anyway. Isn’t that just beautiful? GWD
G: Death: My heart goes out to any suffering person who is afraid to die due to his or her ill-programmed fear of this Biblical God. It could be a relief for them to perceive that a second after they die, they remember absolutely nothing – because there is nothing to remember with. There is myth, but no proof of any existence after death.
The Jon Bear family was a large family who lived in the wilderness of Feral. The father, Jon, had acquired by miracles, thirty (31) wives and over the past 15 years sired 157 children. Jon was unusually bright and resourceful, yet humble toward God and His Son. No family members had seen any people outside of their homeland except for a few strict missionaries and some influential rulers from a mysterious and large city. The boys were getting bigger, stronger, harder to handle. The girls were experiencing hormonal growth and confusion. Jon, often visited his lovely daughters to supervise their development; but his sons, especially the older ones, were beaten viciously if they dared any advancements towards his girls. Jon had always said that like God, his model, he was a jealous father.
The father insisted the family constantly pray to God and to God’s son Feral, the absolute ruler of the land. When Jon was 38 years old, he claimed to have had a vision from God that his family had been chosen to receive on a judgment day a new land for their home. Jon Bear was shown that the judgment day would take place within the next two years. The family grew excited during formal prayer periods and they all fantasized about how wonderful and how exciting it would all be in the new promised land.
The Promised Land
When the larger boys would become unruly, Jon would threaten them that God would punish them. When that didn’t work, he would give them some medicine to calm them into a non-thinking subordination. It became more difficult for him to keep the boys in line as time went on. He taught them to hunt and to kill animals.
It was written that God ordered them to burn the animal’s flesh, because God loved the smell and then, they were to serve their father, as God’s servant and representative, the prime steaks.
A Burnt Offering
At the time of Jon’s 40th birthday, the local ruler, God’s Son, Feral and five (5) of his soldiers, came to the family. Feral asked Jon Bear if any of his sons had been disobedient. Feral declared to the family that he knew-all; so, if the father lied, he would experience the same punishment as his errant son. Jon obediently confessed all the disobedience of all his sons except one. All the sons were beaten by the soldiers just short of permanent damage. Feral then erupted in anger at Jon Bear due to his oldest son’s disobedience which had not been mentioned and then whipped the guilty son. All in the family got on their knees to pray and beg as the soldiers took Jon, their God-fearing husband and father, away. The worshipful-master and ruler, Feral, then ordered the family to stay put and pray as they may never see their father and beloved husband, Jon Bear, again.
Two days later, their father was dumped and left on the property looking totally beaten, and exhausted, barely with the strength to breath. The whole family closed ranks and supported their poor father pledging oaths and loyalties beyond any before. They, for the next 6 months, were a model and loving family.
Their father, Jon Bear, was frequently absent as he was summoned into the sacred city by The Son of God, Feral, to pay his respects, taxes, tithes and homage.
On the judgment day, Feral arrived with exalted ceremony. With pomp and circumstance, Feral told the Jon Bear family that due to God’s goodness and loyalty, they were chosen to be given a land of milk and honey. They were going to receive The Promised Land!
Land of Milk & Honey
They all celebrated zealously. On the date of departure, Feral’s soldiers escorted them to their Promised Land. After many days of traveling, they came across a land much nicer than they had left and Feral himself came amongst them to dedicate the land. They were all excited; except, all were also confused that there were houses and people already living on the land. Feral called the land Lachish and described the people as docile, easygoing and pleasant. He told the Bear family to not be afraid of them.
Then Feral and his soldiers brought into their midst a strange and modern wagon. One of Jon’s humblest and most subordinate sons, Rizza, escorted the wagon. The slow heavy wagon tipped and Rizza reached to steady it. A soldier approached Rizza, put his hand behind the sensitive and effeminate child’s head as if to kiss him, then stabbed him with his sword so that his intestines fell out onto the ground. He murdered Rizza as he wasn’t authorized to touch the wagon. When they opened it, they all were amazed and horrified. Next, each was handed a machete, a shotgun and other weapons of destruction.
Feral, God’s Son, then addressed the Jon Bear family. This is your land and houses. I give it to you. You will obey my orders and murder every man, woman and child on this land, or I will do to you what you are to do to them.
One of the soldiers struck Jon, the father to the ground. He stated loudly: You will remain and observe from here. If your children fail God today, you will be a dead man and your wives and children will be sold into slavery. Jon Bear assembled his horrified, yet eager to serve, sons and daughters for battle. Then, he went to high ground to watch. With few causalities, they slaughtered every man, woman and child, except for one 9 year old boy.
Jon’s 13-year-old daughter, Adrian, through her mercy, had allowed the boy to escape.
God’s Son, the ruler Feral, was furious. Feral assembled the blood-soaked victors and declared He knew that one was allowed to escape. Feral demonized Adrian, stating that she was a traitor; that she had been a satanic problem for her father since her birth; that her name was not in God’s Book of Life to be saved. He condemned her and ordered her examined. Because she proved not to be a virgin, He ordered her to be sold into slavery and prostitution. Feral proclaimed that Adrian will never get into The Promised Land and then, Feral promised that if she should have children, He would kill them.
Over the next few years Jon would be summoned to the mysterious, restricted and sacred city more often. Sometimes, he would come back unscathed and at other times, he would arrive looking near death. He had been ordered to increase his family through his beautiful daughters and he had obediently impregnated them all including one of his 11-year-old’s.
When his sons were rebellious, Jon would secretly arrange for them to illegally procure forbidden drugs so they might medicate themselves to became docile. He robbed them of their thinking processes. Often, soldiers would come and beat the less obedient children and wives. Occasionally, sacrifices had to be made and a wife or a child was called to the sacred altar to appease their loving, righteous, faithful and just God.
The eldest son, Joseph, turned 24 years of age. He loved and worshiped his father more than anything in the world, even more than Feral, God’s Son. One day, while his father was called into the city, his mother was selected for the altar. Joseph panicked and against all his education, moral up-bringing, training, fear of God and respect for the law, he left to search for his father in the sacred city in hopes to save his mother from sacrifice, death.
Divorce, Tyrant Style
He searched the city and was picked up for trespassing. As the soldiers were taking him to the dungeon, he saw his father at a distance go into a mansion. He escaped and avoided the guards. After dark, he made his way into the mansion. As he maneuvered his way, he began to hear voices. Joseph was afraid and moved quietly. He peered into a gentleman’s social room where a dozen elegantly dressed men were drinking, laughing and telling their stories.
There was his father, Jon Bear! Joseph’s eyes focused and his mind sobered as he felt feelings he never felt before. Beautiful ladies pampered the gentlemen with sex and affection. Some were naked in passionate embrace. His father was being romanced by two ladies at once. Joseph numbly sat in the shadows and with tears flowing from his eyes. He watched and listened to the men’s drunken and boastful stories. My God! Feral was there!
Before long, Joseph heard his father’s all too familiar orgasmic roar. Then, Jon Bear put on a robe and rose to address the men who seemed to hold him in great esteem. They all stopped what they were doing and listened with pleasure and anticipation. Led by Feral himself, all the rich gentlemen stood and applauded. The women giggled nervously and vacated the room. To his amazement, his father, Jon Bear, was like a king to them.
Jon Bear said: Gentlemen, knowing God’s will, 25 years ago, I used my inherited wealth to have abducted from parts of this great world 31 of the most appealing women money could buy. They still believe that they were abducted by super-natural, extra-terrestrial or ultra-dimensional beings. They were put into a frightful situation and craved protection, leadership and for someone to love and to care for. They were programmed to have many children. I, like the rest of you, was left “beaten-up” at their entrance.
Thanks to “God Incorporated’s” awesome special effects, stunt coordination and make-up, I appeared to be near death.
Because I invented “God Incorporated” to do my thing, I have had and experienced the most beautiful and zealous slaves in the world to serve me on my terms as only a few men could rarely know. Each of you have paid me a fortune for your own promised land. Those fortunes are in good use as we own our own United Army. We are politics! And! We control the righteous Gods of our worlds! It doesn’t get much better than this!
Joseph, the sad son, cried uncontrollably. Joseph was discovered, institutionalized, and was never seen again; nor was his story ever to be re-told.
The God Murders website is the Atheist’s best friend
“Intelligence is categorical”
“Insanity is contagious”
“A high percentage of stupid is stubborn”
According to Pastor Arnold Murray’s selected C&Vs, the Serpent in The Garden of Eden, who Pastor Murray insists is Satan, seduced Eve sexually and then Eve tempted Adam, who joined in. Ergo, two sperm-seeds provided for two boys. Satan, whose offspring, Cain, was the first-born. Cain’s twin, Able, Adam’s son, was born second.
Adam & Eve / Cain & Abel?
This is “The Original Sin“ according to both Pastor Arnold Murray and his son, Pastor Dennis Murray, by chapter and verse evidence. Both strongly infer that Eve shared “The Forbidden Fruit” with Adam and that Adam performed a homosexual act with Satan. Over the years, they have pondered other options but they always come back to Adam and Eve’s sharing of sex with Satan.
According to Pastor Murray: Satan’s sperm is “The Forbidden Fruit”. Eve shared “The Forbidden Fruit” with Adam and Adam did “eat”. Ergo, Adam had a homosexual experience with Satan.
(I personally view that Pastor Arnold Murray sometimes goes where no man has gone before.)
Pastor Murray preaches the homosexual act on his television broadcasts but begs off going into detail on any one broadcast for he considers it is super “touchy”. Murray also does not want to implicate that God did sloppy work / made errors in God’s so-called “creation”. Being backed by Leviticus 18:22, Pastor Murray is (red neck) adamant that homosexuality is a sin.
That God’s first “created man” had a homosexual experience is far beyond what any traditional Judeo-Christian-Islamic believer could handle.
This heinous “in-total-control” / “know-it-all” God also provided that the Serpent (Satan) be in the garden with His new totally ignorant / innocent Human creations. That’s like putting candy in your two-year-old’s crib and telling the child not to eat it.
Based on hindsight, for the Biblical God to allow the “evil” Satan to be in the Garden of Eden with the innocent, ignorant and naïve Adam and Eve is a heinous agenda in itself. As it turned out, God displayed bad parenting and even worse judgment. God repented! God orchestrated a heinous agenda and a most super-determinable incompetence. If “the buck stops here” with God, integrity would insist that this whole – fall of mankind due to the original sin – scenario is all the Biblical God’s fault.
“Free-will” for these newly created, innocent and ignorant Human Beings can not apply by any stretch of fantasy or integrity. Besides, if just one Human Animal on planet Earth truly has “free will”, God is not in control. If God is not in control – God is not omnipotent.
Thus, the “perfect” God-myth dominos tend to fall. Pastor Arnold Murray often seems to “go where no man has gone before” but, I personally have to admit that all the combined C&Vs of the Old and New Testaments that Arnold selects seem to make his claims accurate.
Murray’s claims surprisingly makes more sense than a non-defined “apple” being considered to be “The Forbidden Fruit” that contributed to “The Original Sin” which lead to “The Fall Of Mankind”.
Here is one Bible C&V that Pastor Murray uses to make his claim that Satan was the father of Cain:
John 8:44 Jesus said: You are of your father the devil (Satan) and the lusts of your father you will do. He was a murderer from the beginning (Cain, the son of Satan, murdered Abel) and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him.
Twins By Two (2) Fathers?
In debate, some believers quickly get tired, frightened or suspiciously bored when this Biblical scenario is offered. Some just change the subject, preach nonsense, threaten eternal-damnation, arrogantly announce that they refuse to “cast their pearls before swine”, claim a fantasy victory and quit – never to be heard from again. Would you care to invite your clergy to assist you in investigating “The Original Sin“? The more the merrier!
If you want to see clergy squirm in front of believers, ask them: What are the details of “The Original Sin“? “Who, specifically, was Cain’s father?” If you push for specific Biblical answers in public, some clergy may invite you to leave their church.
Could “The Forbidden Fruit” be the reason why scientists and people worldwide experiment with drugs and medicines? Could the craving of drugs, by so many addicts, be due to their genetic memory of that awesome, but forbidden, stuff?
If the Biblical God is perfect and God made Adam perfect, why would the perfect God have to warn perfect Adam not to do something? How can a perfect God make something imperfect?
God’s 1st Sin!
In Genesis 3:13 Eve had eaten the forbidden fruit and gave some to Adam. God asked Eve what she had done. Eve told God that the Serpent (Satan some claim) beguiled / tempted / enticed / moved (depending on Bible version) Eve.
Didn’t Satan (by name) successfully move / tempt / beguile / entice the Biblical God in:
Job 2:3 God told Satan: You (Satan) moved / tempted / beguiled / enticed Me (God) against him (Job), to destroy him (Job), without cause.
Why would the Biblical God accuse Eve of “original sin” and then punish all of future Humanity for Eve’s “sin” when God (Himself) was also guilty of being successfully tempted / beguiled / moved / enticed by Satan? Tempted God, by documented Bible C&V deed, proved to be no stronger or less sinful than Eve, didn’t God?
Isn’t this the sinful / beguiled Biblical God’s unjust / unfair hypocrisy!
Be honest, now. What does the Bible document C&V? How would you spin it differently? God being God is no legal / ethical / moral excuse.
Our United States Government is a government of laws – not of men nor gods. Historically, it’s mostly been men and their fictitious gods who have tried to be above the law. Do you personally promote equal justice for all under the law? Do you privately believe that you and your God are above the law?
Suggestion: Teach law and its consequences 1 hour per week in public school – grades 1 thorough 12.
Eve & The Serpent?
Does the serpent ask the Bible’s first questions and initiate the first conversation?
How confusing are these Bible C&Vs:
Isaiah 45:7 God said: I, the Lord, make peace and create evil.
Micah: 2:3 God said: I (God) am planning against this race an evil…
Lamentations 3:38 Is it not from the most high (God) that good and evil come?
Is it because wisdom belongs to God alone? Then, why did God give Solomon wisdom. What did Solomon do with God’s gift of wisdom? Solomon had 700 wives and 300 concubines. Solomon ended up serving other gods.
I personally view that anyone having 700 wives and 300 concubines to be down-right criminal. But, if Solomon’s ended up serving God’s other than the Biblical God – knowing what is described C&V to be the Biblical God – maybe Solomon’s wisdom took.
The 1st “Ménage A Trios”?
Why did this all-knowing God ask questions? Isn’t that more of a human quality?
Adam & Eve Are Ashamed?
Was it fair of God to reject Cain? Couldn’t know it all God foresee that this would happen? Was it because Cain did not sacrifice a living animal? Point blank” Why did this God reject Cain’s gift? When you freely give something within your means, does it have to measure up to the recipient’s standards?
First, humans are disobedient. Next is an offering to God. Then – next is murder.
Genesis 4:9 Cain asked God: Am I my brother’s keeper?
God created Abel. Cain was not responsible for that. Was “creation” God’s project or was it Cain’s? Why did God create Cain the way he was? Was Cain Satan’s offspring? Why did this jealous, “in control” God allow that? How did Abel, by faith and God’s grace, make out? Was God’s will done all for God’s pleasure? Didn’t innocent Abel get killed on God’s watch. Based on this, how can God be considered to be the protector of the innocent? Did God make a mistake? What is God’s track record so far? Do you know any authoritarians who won’t admit God’s mistakes – or their own? In Hebrew – the name “Abel” is “Hevel” – which means nothingness or futility. Ouch! Abel, the innocent victim, is erased. Isn’t the Biblical God instrumental in this story – whereby people become evil?
Note: Abel has no dialog, nothing to contribute – except his life. Cain is the star of the show. Was Abel the 1stsacrificial lamb to the Biblical God? Didn’t God then reward Abel’s murderer, Cain, with a wife, and a city? Didn’t God make Cain a promise of protection – which God broke? Didn’t all of God’s broken promises prove to be conditional promises? Can you be critical enough to acknowledge when the Biblical God broke His promises?
Romulus killed his brother Remus, yet Rome was named after Romulus. Why would Romulus, the murderer, be honored the city’s name and not his brother, the innocent victim?
The New Testament mentions Adam and Eve, but the Hebrew Old Testament Bible never again mentions Adam and Eve after the Book of Genesis. Why? Wouldn’t you think that Adam and Eve would have had a more sacred status – especially in the Old Testament? Maybe they were never mentioned again because later authors considered the Adam and Eve story was all a fraud.
God proves to be jealous and punitive in relations with the species He had made. God proves to be deficient in understanding and low in tolerance. Is this and accurate picture of God or not? Is this depiction of God the same image you carry within your heart or your head? It is very doubtful. Adam and Eve were not created immortal. God asked: What if they eat from the tree of life and live forever? How could God be in conjecture and know it all?
For more on my favorite: Pastor Arnold Benjamin Murray
Gary DeVaney: I am an Atheist. Personally, I view that sin has been the most interesting force in Humanity. Without sin, little progress would have been accomplished by Humanity. Mankind is a sin-loving species. I sin. I even have some favorite sins that I often still enjoy. My sins mostly hurt no one – but that’s just me. Think of it: If Jesus died for my sins, Jesus will not have died in vain. How dull and boring is Heaven to have no sin? Wouldn’t to piously or zealously worship the Biblical God 24 / 7 for eternity be a sin? A paradox for me is, I view the Biblical God to be the Creator of Sin. I don’t much care for the Biblical God due to His insane and murderous rap-sheet. But, for me – sin is in. If life is about making mistakes, death is probably about wishing that you had made a whole lot more. Are the people who fear death most the ones who fear that they missed out on living their lives?
What one person, who you know, would be impacted if sent to this site?
The God Murders website is the Atheist’s best friend
“Intelligence is categorical”
“Insanity is contagious”
“A high percentage of stupid is stubborn”
This is What Happens if You Don’t Obey God
Verses 20 Through 66 States:
Deuteronomy 28:20 God will defeat / frustrate every enterprise until you are speedily destroyed / perish.
Deuteronomy 28:21 God will make disease attach to you until you are consumed.
Deuteronomy 28:22 God shall smite you with consumption, inflammation, fever, extreme burning, with the sword, blasting and with mildew until you die.
Extreme Burning
Dueteronomy 28:24 God will make your land powder and dust until you die.
Deuteronomy 28:25 God will cause your enemies to kill you.
Deuteronomy 28:26 Your carcass shall be meat for the birds and the beasts.
Deuteronomy 28:27 God will give you botch, scab and itch, which can’t be cured.
Deuteronomy 28:28 God will smite you with madness, blindness, astonishment of heart (panic).
Deuteronomy 28:30 God will have another man lie with your wife.
Who? God will force your adultery? Isn’t it always: The Devil made you do it?
Deuteronomy 28:31 You’ll see your ox, sheep and ass slain and taken from you.
Deuteronomy 28:32 Your sons and daughters will be taken and you will be sad.
Deuteronomy 28:33-34 You will go insane, driven mad, by what you see.
Driven Mad
Deuteronomy 28:35 God will hurt your knees, legs and from your head to toe.
Deuteronomy 28:38 You will plant much, gather little due to locust.
Deuteronomy 28:39 You will plant grapes, get no wine and you’ll not gather them due to worms.
Deuteronomy 28:41 You’ll have children, not enjoy them due to child captivity.
Deuteronomy 28:44 Another shall be the head, you the tail. (Torah)
Deuteronomy 28:45-46 All these curses will destroy you if you don’t listen and obey God, not only you but all your future children’s children, forever.
Deuteronomy 28:47 You must want to obey (God) with joy and be glad.
At least suffer and die with a smile.
Deuteronomy 28:48 You shall serve your enemies until they destroy you.
Deuteronomy 28:49-50 You will war with a nation swift as the eagle flies whose language you can not understand. A sadistic nation. They have no respect for the old, no mercy for the young.
Deuteronomy 28:51 They will eat your animals and crops until you are destroyed.
Deuteronomy 28:53-55 You will eat the fruit of your womb, the flesh of your own sons and daughters, while begrudging your relatives any share of your children that you are using for food.
Deuteronomy 28:56-57 The most refined and delicate woman will refuse her husband and children her afterbirth and infant, that comes out from between her legs, as she secretly eats them for food. Torah, KJV, Catholic
Gary: Ah, let’s pass on lunch.
Deuteronomy 28:58-62 Do all the laws or fear the glorious and fearful name of the Lord thy God. God will make wonderful long plagues and sickness. He will throw in all the plagues of Egypt all over again. Also, every plague and disease that is not written and you will be left few in number all because you wouldn’t obey.
Deuteronomy 28:65 In all the nations you travel, you will find no ease, no rest. God will give you a trembling heart, failing eyes and mental sorrow. Deuteronomy 28:66 You will hang in doubt, fear day and night and have no assurance in your life.
G: Do you tend to fear a friend or an enemy?
Ezekiel 5:10-13 God said: Fathers shall eat sons and sons shall eat fathers. I swear to cut you down. 1/3rd shall die of pestilence and hunger. 1/3rd I will scatter and chase with the sword. Wild beasts will rob you of your children. I will wreak my fury upon them till I am appeased. I, God, have spoken in my jealousy.
G: The only natural predator of mankind in The Old Testament appears to be God.
Deuteronomy 32:42 God said: I will make my arrows drunk with blood, my sword shall gorge itself with flesh with the blood of the slain and captured, flesh from the heads of the enemy leaders.
G: This sounds like a commercial for wrestle-mania.
Behold: Here comes Moses’ just reward for God’s promise and all his murderous work.
Deuteronomy 32:48-52 God said to Moses: Go up the mountain and look at the land I give to the children of Israel. Because you trespassed against me, you cannot enter it. KJV
Moses died.
G: There it is. It can’t be any clearer than this. God’s promise was broken to Moses, Aaron and Miriam, along with all three million of His chosen people taken out of Egypt, except for Caleb and Jacob. The Biblical God was not a capable administrator of a nation. He was not effective in maintaining harmony among His people. The promises God broke were to the very people He made them to. Mere men have been more integral. How does Moses, in reality, qualify to be a hero with his people or with his God. What did Moses attempt to succeed at but to murder men, women and their babies in order to steal their lands?
3. To do the most conscious good that I can for the betterment of Humanity.
Gary DeVaney’s claim: “The God of the Bible is not a good God and the Bible is not a good model for Humanity.”
Each religion claims to be the truth which means that the other religions are not the truth.
Each religion claims that their God is real – whereby other gods are not real.
Each Human Ego views that it – categorically – is the value, the authority, entitled.
Believers, by faith, believe that they have “The Truth” and that all non-believers are sinners.
Consequently, if any believer’s claimed and challenged “Truth” does not hold up – that makes them sinners. Faith (nonsense) tricks the believer’s mind into believing that is not the case.
Fanatical believers claim that you will suffer Eternal Torment because you did not believe what they believe.
Millions of Human believers may have wasted and sacrificed their lives by believing in Eternal Life.
Throughout history, more men, woman and children have been slaughtered and tortured due to religious beliefs than any other cause.
Today’s religion still has little concern for basic Human Rights.
Those who practice religion tend to give the rest of the World the most problems.
Awesome evil is committed in the name of religion and God.
The Christian Crusades, The Christian Inquisitions, The Burning of Witches, Arabs and Jews continue to kill each other, Practicing Catholics and Protestants kill each other. Practicing Christians and Muslims are at war. Hindus and Muslims assassinate and massacre each other.
The Burning of Witches
Religion, as it exists, is the cause of all this murder and slaughter. Religion, as it exists, cannot be the solution.
In the USA, there is a higher percentage of self-proclaimed, practicing Christians in the prison system then there are Atheists. Why is that?
How about all the self-centered, corrupt, sex-scandal-reddened televangelists? Money proves to be their God.
Ecclesiastes 10:19 Money answers all things. They truly are believers.
Facts challenge beliefs. Believers tend to hate facts when the facts conflict with their beliefs. Believers give up provable facts rather than their mind-set beliefs.
Beliefs That Created Gods
Mighty “Thor” banged his hammer on his anvil which created frightful thunder.
The God “Pan” created panic.
The evil, fearful “Prince of Darkness” was defeated by the coming of the Sun – God’s morning, life-giving Sun.
The Human Being’s ability to question is its ability to advance. The question is the highest form of thought.
Belief uses faith-based nonsense to answer questions. For believers, facts are irrelevant.
The believer’s ego chooses to believe that its life must have an important, eternal purpose and that it’s all-important ego cannot end at death. Most religious egos are programmed to not accept the reality of it’s expiration.
Supernatural Gods were created by fearful believers to suffice as answers to their fear-based questions.
Because of the evolved Human mind, mankind has become the ruling parasite of the Earth.
Humanity still projects its mighty dogmatic gods to assume authority over the gullible.
Religion is primitive politics. Politics is power and profit over others.
Ego and God is synonymous. Egos invent their personal supernatural god so to better be heard by the superstitious and to more easily subdue gullible egos. Believers do not use their gods on any other life-forms but other Humans. This causes the consistent, discriminatory – “you are either with me or against me” war. All Human authority is assumed authority.
Religions and myths are based on the practice of supporting ignorance. You authoritatively claim things that you do not know – even if it is pure nonsense.
The Catholic Church was once “the” political power of much of Europe. Kings yielded their authority and power to the Catholic Church. At one time, in the Catholic religion, if you did not believe that the Earth was flat, you would be punished by death. Also, if a layman was caught possessing religious Holy-Scripture, it was punishable by death. Ah, what Christian love!
Imposing Christianity Vs. Atheist Free-Will: Human free-will has the right to do anything it wants as long as it lives within enforceable criminal and civil law. To remain free, a Human Being does not use his or her free-will to intentionally hurt another. It is a free Human Being’s right to disobey the imposing “assumed authority” of Christians. If a Human Being lives “free” by unaccountable time, Christians (assumed authoritarians) have no authority nor do they have legal power over them. If Christians (assumed authoritarians) get angry or have hurt feelings from being disobeyed, that is their problem. If Christians (assumed authoritarians) assault your living by your legal free-will, they may account to law enforcement. Christians dogmatically displays fear-based “assumed authority” that Atheists traditionally tend to fearlessly disobey.
A Successful Church
The Christian religion trains you to believe – not to think – to blindly obey just like a soldier, when our Christian Government orders him or her to go kill or die. Can’t you just feel all the Christian love?
Religions traditionally and Governments historically have ordered the same thing: “Go out and kill other Human Beings for me – in the name of God”.
Reality:
For something to live – things must die. For something to live well – more things must die.
Christian Prayers:
Thank you, Lord, for shedding this animal’s blood for me to eat.
Thank you, Jesus, for shedding your blood and dying for me.
Higher education teaches you to think and to learn – by threat of “pass or fail”.
Fear-based religion authoritatively teaches you to believe and to obey – by threat of “Eternal Consequence”.
Religion is the greatest invented device to make men stupid.
Are the churches full of thieves, mercenaries and wolves?
The practice of Christian Conversion is the vampire’s need to feed.
Does Christianity get immunity from breaking civil-criminal law and from moral sin? With all the Catholic Priests charged with illegal and immoral homosexual activity with young boys, why hasn’t the Catholic Church been sued out of existence?
Why can’t Judeo-Christian believers see, acknowledge and debate selected, controversial Bible C&Vs?
Islam actually beheaded 9 women – who dared to drive cars. They wanted to behead any man who did not wear a beard. Like Christianity, Islam insists: “Be like me – or else”.
Jews, Christians and Islamists all worship the same “One God Of Abraham”.
Both Islam and Christianity have Hell. Christian’s Hell is eternal. Islam’s Hell is not eternal.
Religious beliefs lead to and promote violence, intolerance and murderous behaviors. Secular law-abiding societies condemn those religious beliefs and actions.
Do you dare ask: Is something wrong with religion?
Religions and their Gods are not above the law. That is why I wrote “The God Murders” and put the Biblical God on trial. By the way, the evidence is all Bible Chapter & Verse.
Judaism and Christianity was “born” in Egypt.
Pharaoh Amen-Ra established the worship of one God in Egypt. Amen-Ra was then considered to be and worshipped as the son of God. Amen came at the end of prayer.
Amen-Ra / Horus was also symbolized by a single eye as displayed on the pyramid capstone on US currency. Horus had an adversary named Set. Horus – Set. Jesus – Satan. A familiar story? Horus and Jesus had more than numerous written similarities.
Jesus Christ is called “The Good Shepherd”. Egyptian Pharaohs wore “shepherd’s crooks” and were call “The Great Shepherds”.
Egypt was God’s Kingdom and God’s son, Pharaoh, was Egypt’s god and King of the Kingdom.
God’s lamb takes away the sins of the world. A scapegoat takes the blame of others.
Did you know that Buddha and Chrishna were born of Mary without carnal intercourse?
The Sun worshipping Egyptians believed that if the Sun came up every day it meant eternal life. Thus, they believed in the Sun.
They believed that if you had a son, when you died, your son will carry on. Genetically, your life can become eternal.
Winter – Summer
The Egyptian sundial showed the Sun to bring life (crops) for life and the crops died in winter. The Sun would die still for 3 days and come back to life. The Sun died and came back to life for us.
Many church crosses have a circle on it. It represents the Sun. It dies on the cross of the zodiac. It dies every night and is brought back to life every morning. The Sun to return in the clouds and every eye will see Him. The crown of thorns are the Sun’s rays.
Any religious authority who restricts another’s reading or learning – has something to hide.
In Egypt, the goddess, Isis, was the female personification of wisdom.
Akhenaten was an Egyptian Pharaoh who ruled Egypt for 17 years and died about 1336 BC. He changed the Egyptian many god worship from Isis to Amen-Ra. When the Hebrews went to Palestine, they adopted El, the ancient Semitic God known as Saturn. As a result, the Jews worship on Saturday. Combining the Isis worship with Aman-Ra worship and El worship, the Jews named their new conquered land “Israel”. Hummm, a Hebrew “Trinity”?
Aman-Ra
Why do Jews worship on Saturday? The Jews worshipped El which was Saturn.
Why do Christians worship on Sunday? Christians worshipped “The Sun” on Sunday.
The myth of Samson was equated with the myth of Hercules. Was Samson also a “Son of God” whose strength was in his hair? Was Samson’s hair simply the rays of the Sun?
Moses’ “Golden” Calf: The Golden color represented the Sun. The calf represented Taurus. It also “The Sacred Cow” that the Hindus worship.
Israelites blew “The Ram’s Horn” which was the Sun in the age of Aries – the sheep of God.
In the astrological calendar the month of spring is Virgo, “The Virgin”. God’s Sun came to life in the Virgo spring.
The myth of Moses drew on the story of King Nebo who came down from the mountain (top of the pyramid) with tablets: The Law Of Hammurabi and gave “the law“ to the Babylonian people.
Egypt had the same story but their great law-giver was called Mesis. Mesis came down from the great pyramid, saw the Egyptian people did not respect his law broke the tablets.
Moses’ throwing down and breaking God’s finger-written stone tablets was symbolic of his disapproval of the Israelites breaking God’s law. Moses was Mesis was Nebo. It’s all the same story.
To pray is to inform God that He has been lazy concerning you.
Concerning Jesus and Mohammed, have we finally figured out “The God Business”?
If “Jesus Christ” is NOT a proper name but IS the literal title of “Savior Anointed” and if “God” is the title of “Authority” and if “The Holy Ghost” amounts to God’s CIA and all are one, but separate entities, that have separate missions and responsibilities – then “God” is a merely a political office.
How many names does God need?
What? God is merely a political office?
The US Supreme Court legalized the insane nonsense that a Corporation is now a legal person.
Is “GOD” the first Corporation?
Does “GOD” amount to a “Political Office” – a threatening, heavy-handed, might-makes-right “Political Party” that Atheists refuse to serve, to worship or to vote for?
Religion is Competitive Politics
Behold: The Muslims vote for their Allah – the one God of Abraham – whom they serve, worship and vote to rule over them.
Primitive Politics Competes with Secular Politics
And, the Christians vote for their Judeo-Christian God – the one God of Abraham – whom they serve, worship and vote to rule over them.
Can this be the real secret of the world’s biggest religions – the Judeo-Christian-Islamic religions?
Once, long ago and far away, there was a story that went around about a powerful God with an ugly attitude. He was powerful and He thought that men were only interested in Him because He was powerful. But, He wanted men to be interested in Him because He was God.
The problem was, besides His being powerful, He just wasn’t that interesting. Oh, He was rude, hostile, sulking, moody, wrathful, jealous, malicious, murderous and dangerous. He also had strict slave-like rules, standards and principles that frightened men and stripped any identity away from women.
God wanted to strip women’s identity.
This God wanted a chosen-few to be special and to look past all that to the real God, underneath. However, the only reason any man would bother to look past all that was because He was powerful and dangerous. Ironic, isn’t it?
Eventually, that God’s power faded and He was all alone with all His self-hating characteristics; sad and angry – that He couldn’t die.
“If the Devil Should Die Would God Make Another One?”
A little while ago I delivered a lecture on “Superstition,” in which, among other things, I said that the Christian world could not deny the existence of the Devil; that the Devil was really the keystone of the arch, and that to take him away was to destroy the entire system.
Superstition?
A great many clergymen answered or criticized this statement. Some of these ministers avowed their belief in the existence of his Satanic Majesty, while others actually denied his existence; but some, without stating their own position, said that others believed, not in the existence of a personal Devil, but in the personification of Evil, and that all references to the Devil in the Scriptures could be explained on the hypothesis that the Devil thus alluded to was simply a personification of Evil.
When I read these answers I thought of this line from Heine: “Christ rode on an ass, but now asses ride on Christ.”
Now, the questions are, first, whether the Devil does really exist; second, whether the sacred Scriptures teach the existence of the Devil and of unclean Spirits, and third, whether this belief in Devils is a necessary part of what is known as “orthodox Christianity.”
Now, where did the idea that a Devil exists come from? How was it produced?
Fear is an artist – a sculptor – a painter. All tribes and nations, having suffered, having been the sport and prey of natural phenomena, having been struck by lightning, poisoned by weeds, overwhelmed by volcanoes, destroyed by earthquakes, believed in the existence of a Devil, who was the King – the ruler – of innumerable smaller Devils, and all these Devils have been from time immemorial regarded as the enemies of men.
Along the banks of the Ganges wandered the Aruras, the most powerful of Evil Spirits. Their business was to war against the Devas – that is to say, the Gods – and at the same time against Human Beings. There, too, were the ogres, the Jakshas and many others who killed and devoured Human Beings. The Persians turned this around, and with them the Asuras were good and the Devas bad. Ormuzd was the good – the God – Ahriman the Evil – the Devil – and between the God and the Devil was waged a perpetual war. Some of the Persians thought that the Evil would finally triumph, but others insisted that the good would be the victor.
In Egypt the Devil was Set – or, as usually called, Typhon – and the good God was Osiris. Set and his legions fought against Osiris and against the human race.
Among the Greeks, the Titans were the enemies of the Gods. Ate was the spirit that tempted, and such was her power that at one time she tempted and misled the God of Gods, even Zeus himself. These ideas about Gods and Devils often changed, because in the days of Socrates a Demon was not a Devil, but a Guardian Angel. We obtain our Devil from the Jews, and they got him from Babylon. The Jews cultivated the science of Demonology, and at one time it was believed that there were nine kinds of Demons: Beelzebub, prince of the false Gods of the other nations; the Pythian Apollo, prince of liars; Belial, prince of mischief makers.
Asmodeus, prince of revengeful Devils; Satan, prince of witches and magicians; Meresin, prince of aerial Devils, who caused thunderstorms and plagues; Abaddon, who caused wars, tumults and combustions; Diabolus, who drives to despair, and Mammon, prince of the tempters. It was believed that demons and sorcerers frequently came together and held what were called “Sabbats;” that is to say, orgies. It was also known that sorcerers and witches had marks on their bodies that had been imprinted by the Devil.
Of course these Devils were all made by the people, and in these Devils we find the prejudices of their makers. The Europeans always represent their Devils as black, while the Africans believed that theirs were white.
So, it was believed that people by the aid of the Devil could assume any shape they wished. Witches and wizards were changed into wolves, dogs, cats and serpents. This change to animal form was exceedingly common.
Within two years, between 1598 and 1600, in one district of France, the district of Jura, more than six hundred men and women were tried and convicted before one judge of having changed themselves into wolves, and all were put to death. This is only one instance. There are thousands.
Do You Believe That Witches & Wizards Were Changed Into Wolves?
There is no time to give the history of this belief in Devils. It has been universal. The consequences have been terrible beyond the imagination. Millions and millions of men, women and children, of fathers and mothers, have been sacrificed upon the altar of this ignorant and idiotic belief.
Of course, the Christians of to-day do not believe that the Devils of the Hindus, Egyptians, Persians or Babylonians existed. They think that those nations created their own Devils, precisely the same as they did their own Gods. But the Christians of to-day admit that for many centuries Christians did believe in the existence of countless Devils; that the Fathers of the church believed as sincerely in the Devil and his demons as in God and His Angels; that they were just as sure about Hell as Heaven.
I admit that people did the best they could to account for what they saw, for what they experienced. I admit that the Devils as well as the Gods were naturally produced – the effect of nature upon the human brain. The cause of phenomena filled our ancestors not only with wonder, but with terror. The miraculous, the supernatural, was not only believed in, but was always expected.
A man walking in the woods at night – just a glimmering of the moon – everything uncertain and shadowy – sees a monstrous form. One arm is raised. His blood grows cold, his hair lifts. In the gloom he sees the eyes of an ogre – eyes that flame with malice. He feels that the something is approaching. He turns, and with a cry of horror takes to his heels. He is afraid to look back. Spent, out of breath, shaking with fear, he reaches his hut and falls at the door. When he regains consciousness, he tells his story and, of course, the children believe. When they become men and women they tell father’s story of having seen the Devil to their children, and so the children and grandchildren not only believe, but think they know, that their father – their grandfather – actually saw a Devil.
The Devil?
An old woman sitting by the fire at night – a storm raging without – hears the mournful sough of the wind. To her it becomes a voice. Her imagination is touched, and the voice seems to utter words. Out of these words she constructs a message or a warning from the unseen world. If the words are good, she has heard an Angel; if they are threatening and malicious, she has heard a Devil. She tells this to her children and they believe.
They say that mother’s religion is good enough for them. A girl suffering from hysteria falls into a trance – has visions of the infernal world. The priest sprinkles holy water on her pallid face, saying: “She hath a Devil.” A man utters a terrible cry; falls to the ground; foam and blood issue from his mouth; his limbs are convulsed. The spectators say: “This is the Devils work.” Through all the ages people have mistaken dreams and visions of fear for realities. To them the insane were inspired; epileptics were possessed by Devils; apoplexy was the work of an unclean spirit. For many centuries people believed that they had actually seen the malicious phantoms of the night, and so thorough was this belief – so vivid – that they made pictures of them. They knew how they looked. They drew and chiseled their hoofs, their horns – all their malicious deformities.
Now, I admit that all these monsters were naturally produced. The people believed that hell was their native land; that the Devil was a King, and that he and his imps waged war against the children of men. Curiously enough some of these Devils were made out of degraded Gods, and, naturally enough, many Devils were made out of the Gods of other nations. So that frequently the Gods of one people were the Devils of another.
In nature there are opposing forces. Some of the forces work for what man calls good; some for what he calls Evil. Back of these forces our ancestors put will, intelligence and design. They could not believe that the good and Evil came from the same being. So back of the good they put God; back of the Evil, the Devil.
The Atlas of Christianity is the Devil.
The religion known as “Christianity” was invented by God himself to repair in part the wreck and ruin that had resulted from the Devil’s work.
Take the Devil from the scheme of salvation – from the atonement – from the dogma of eternal pain – and the foundation is gone.
The Devil is the keystone of the arch.
He inflicted the wounds that Christ came to heal. He corrupted the human race.
The question now is: Does the Old Testament teach the existence of the Devil?
If the Old Testament teaches anything, it does teach the existence of the Devil, of Satan, of the Serpent, of the enemy of God and man, the deceiver of men and women.
Those who believe the Scriptures are compelled to say that this Devil was created by God, and that God knew when he created him just what he would do – the exact measure of his success; knew that he would be a successful rival; knew that he would deceive and corrupt the children of men; knew that, by reason of this Devil, countless millions of Human Beings would suffer Eternal Torment in the prison of pain. And this God also knew when he created the Devil, that he, God, would be compelled to leave his throne, to be born a babe in Palestine, and to suffer a cruel death. All this he knew when he created the Devil. Why did he create him?
Commitment Is Accountable Time
Prison Is Accountable Time
It is no answer to say that this Devil was once an Angel of light and fell from his high estate because he was free. God knew what he would do with his freedom when he made him and gave him liberty of action, and as a matter of fact must have made him with the intention that he should rebel; that he should fall; that he should become a Devil; that he should tempt and corrupt the father and mother of the human race; that he should make hell a necessity, and that, in consequence of his creation, countless millions of the children of men would suffer eternal pain. Why did he create him?
Admit that God is infinitely wise. Has he ingenuity enough to frame an excuse for the creation of the Devil?
Does the Old Testament teach the existence of a real, living Devil?
The first account of this being is found in Genesis, and in that account he is called the “Serpent.” He is declared to have been more subtle than any beast of the field. According to the account, this Serpent had a conversation with Eve, the first woman. We are not told in what language they conversed, or how they understood each other, as this was the first time they had met. Where did Eve get her language? Where did the Serpent get his? Of course, such questions are impudent, but at the same time they are natural. The result of this conversation was that Eve ate the forbidden fruit and induced Adam to do the same. This is what is called the “Fall,” and for this they were expelled from the Garden of Eden. On account of this, God cursed the earth with weeds and thorns and brambles, cursed man with toil, made woman a slave, and cursed maternity with pain and sorrow. How men – good men – can worship this God; how women – good women – can love this Jehovah, is beyond my imagination.
Satan Seducing Eve Seducing Adam No Apple = No Sex
In addition to the other curses the Serpent was cursed – condemned to crawl on his belly and to eat dust. We do not know by what means, before that time, he moved from place to place – whether he walked or flew; neither do we know on what food he lived; all we know is that after that time he crawled and lived on dust. Jehovah told him that this he should do all the days of his life. It would seem from this that the Serpent was not at that time immortal – that there was somewhere in the future a milepost at which the life of this Serpent stopped. Whether he is living yet or not, I am not certain.
It will not do to say that this is allegory, or a poem, because this proves too much. If the Serpent did not in fact exist, how do we know that Adam and Eve existed? Is all that is said about God allegory, and poetic, or mythical? Is the whole account, after all, an ignorant dream?
Neither will it do to say that the Devil – the Serpent – was a personification of Evil.
Do personifications of Evil talk? Can a personification of Evil crawl on its belly?
Can a personification of Evil eat dust?
If we say that the Devil was a personification of Evil, are we not at the same time compelled to say that Jehovah was a personification of good; that the Garden of Eden was the personification of a place, and that the whole story is a personification of something that did not happen? Maybe that Adam and Eve were not driven out of the Garden; they may have suffered only the personification of exile. And maybe the Cherubim placed at the gate of Eden, with flaming swords, were only personifications of policemen. There is no escape. If the Old Testament is true, the Devil does exist, and it is impossible to explain him away without at the same time explaining God away.
So there are many references to Devils, and Spirits of Divination and of Evil which I have not the time to call attention to; but, in the Book of Job, Satan, the Devil has a conversation with God. It is this Devil that brings the sorrows and losses on the upright man. It is this Devil that raises the storm that wrecks the homes of Job’s children. It is this Devil that kills the children of Job. Take this Devil from that book, and all meaning, plot and purpose fade away. Is it possible to say that the Devil in Job was only a personification of Evil? In Chronicles we are told that Satan provoked David to number Israel. For this act of David, caused by the Devil, God did not smite the Devil, did not punish David, but he killed 70,000 poor innocent Jews who had done nothing but stand up and be counted. Was this Devil who tempted David a personification of Evil, or was Jehovah a personification of the Devilish?
Devilish?
In Zachariah we are told that Joshua stood before the Angel of the Lord, and that Satan stood at his right hand to resist him, and that the Lord rebuked Satan.
If words convey any meaning, the Old Testament teaches the existence of the Devil.
All the passages about witches and those having familiar spits were born of a belief in the Devil. When a man who loved Jehovah wanted revenge on his enemy he fell on his holy knees, and from a heart full of religion he cried; “Let Satan stand at his right hand.”
Take the Devil From the Drama of Christianity and the Plot is Gone.
The next question is: Does the New Testament teach the existence of the Devil?
As a matter of fact, the New Testament is far more explicit than the Old. The Jews, believing that Jehovah was God, had very little business for a Devil. Jehovah was wicked enough and malicious enough to take the Devil’s place.
The first reference in the New Testament to the Devil is in the fourth chapter of Matthew. We are told that Jesus was led by the Spirit into the wilderness to be tempted of the Devil. It seems that He was not led by the Devil into the wilderness, but by the Spirit; that the Spirit and the Devil were acting together in a kind of pious conspiracy.
In the wilderness Jesus fasted forty days, and then the Devil asked him to turn stones into bread. The Devil also took Him to Jerusalem and set him on a pinnacle of the temple, and tried to induce Him to leap to the Earth. The Devil also took Him to the top of a mountain and showed Him all the Kingdoms of the World and offered them all to Him in exchange for His worship. Jesus refused. The Devil went away and Angels came and ministered to Christ.
Do you Believe Jesus Fasted for Forty Days?
Now, the question is: Did the author of this account believe in the existence of the Devil, or did he regard this Devil as a personification of Evil, and did he intend that his account should be understood as an allegory, or as a poem, or as a myth.
Was Jesus tempted? If He was tempted, who tempted Him? Did anybody offer Him the Kingdoms of the world?
Did the writer of the account try to convey to the reader the thought that Christ was tempted by the Devil?
If Christ was not tempted by the Devil, then the temptation was born in His own heart. If that be true, can it be said that He was Divine? If these adders, these vipers, were coiled in His bosom, was He the son of God? Was He pure?
In the same chapter we are told that Christ healed “those which were possessed of Devils, and those which were lunatic, and those that had the palsy.”
From this it is evident that a distinction was made between those possessed with Devils and those whose minds were affected and those who were afflicted with diseases.
In the eighth chapter we are told that people brought unto Christ many that were possessed with Devils, and that He cast out the Spirits with His word. Now, can we say that these people were possessed with personifications of Evil, and that these personifications of Evil were cast out? Are these personifications entities? Have they form and shape? Do they occupy space?
Then comes the story of the two men possessed with Devils who came from the tombs, and were exceeding fierce. It is said that when they saw Jesus they cried out: “What have we to do with Thee, Jesus, thou Son of God? Art Thou come hither to torment us before the time?”
Two Men Possessed With Devils?
If these were simply personifications of Evil, how did they know that Jesus was the Son of God, and how can a personification of Evil be tormented? (How? By causing them good?)
We are told that at the same time, a good way off, many swine were feeding, and that the Devils besought Christ, saying: “If thou cast us out, suffer us to go away into the herd of swine.” And He said unto them: “Go.”
Is it possible that personifications of Evil would desire to enter the bodies of swine, and is it possible that it was necessary for them to have the consent of Christ before they could enter the swine? The question naturally arises: How did they enter into the body of the man? Did they do that without Christ’s consent, and is it a fact that Christ protects swine and neglects Human Beings? Can personifications have desires?
In the ninth chapter of Matthew there was a dumb man brought to Jesus, possessed with a Devil. Jesus cast out the Devil and the dumb man spoke.
Dumb Man Brought To Jesus
Did a personification of Evil prevent the dumb man from talking? Did it in some way paralyze his organs of speech? Could it have done this had it only been a personification of Evil?
In the tenth chapter Jesus gives his twelve disciples power to cast out unclean Spirits. What were unclean Spirits supposed to be? Did they really exist? Were they shadows, impersonations, allegories?
When Jesus sent his disciples forth on the great mission to convert the world, among other things He told them to heal the sick, to raise the dead and to cast out Devils. Here a distinction is made between the sick and those who were possessed by Evil Spirits.
Now, what did Christ mean by Devils?
In the twelfth chapter we are told of a very remarkable case. There was brought unto Jesus one possessed with a Devil, blind and dumb, and Jesus healed him. The blind and dumb both spoke and saw. Thereupon the Pharisees said: “This fellow doth not cast out Devils but by Beelzebub, the prince of Devils.”
Jesus answered by saying: “Every Kingdom divided against itself is brought to desolation. If Satan cast out Satan, he is divided against himself.”
Desolation?
Why did not Christ tell the Pharisees that He did not cast out Devils – only personifications of Evil; and that with these personifications Beelzebub had nothing to do?
Another question: Did the Pharisees believe in the existence of Devils, or had they the personification idea?
At the same time Christ said: “If I cast out Devils by the Spirit of God, then the Kingdom of God is come unto you.”
If he meant anything by these words he certainly intended to convey the idea that what he did demonstrated the superiority of God over the Devil.
Did Christ believe in the existence of the Devil? In the fifteenth chapter is the account of the woman of Canaan who cried unto Jesus, saying: “Have mercy on me, O Lord, thou son of David. My daughter is sorely vexed with a Devil.” On account of her faith Christ made the daughter whole. In the sixteenth chapter a man brought his son to Jesus. The boy was a lunatic, sore vexed, oftentimes falling in the fire and water. The disciples had tried to cure him and had failed. Jesus rebuked the Devil, and the Devil departed out of him and the boy was cured. Was the Devil in this case a personification of Evil?
The disciples then asked Jesus why they could not cast that Devil out. Jesus told them that it was because of their unbelief, and then added: “Howbeit this kind goeth not out but by prayer and fasting” From this it would seem that some personifications were easier to expel than others.
The first chapter of Mark throws a little light on the story of the temptation of Christ. Matthew tells us that Jesus was led up of the Spirit into the wilderness to be tempted of the Devil. In Mark we are told who this Spirit was:
Satan’s Temptation Of Jesus Christ?
“And straightway coming up out of the water he saw the heavens opened, and the Spirit like a dove descending upon him.
“And there came a voice from heaven, saying: ‘Thou art my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased.’
“And immediately the Spirit driveth him into the wilderness.”
Why the Holy Ghost should hand Christ over to the tender mercies of the Devil is not explained. And it is all the more wonderful when we remember that the Holy Ghost was the third person in the Trinity and Christ the second, and that this Holy Ghost was, in fact, God, and that Christ also was, in fact, God, so that God led God into the wilderness to be tempted of the Devil.
We are told that Christ was in the wilderness forty days tempted of Satan, and was with the wild beasts, and that the Angels ministered unto him.
Were these Angels real Angels, or were they personifications of good, of comfort?
So we see that the same Spirit that came out of heaven, the same Spirit that said “This is my beloved son,” drove Christ into the wilderness to be tempted of Satan.
Was this Devil a real being? Was this Spirit who claimed to be the father of Christ a real being, or was he a personification? Are the heavens a real place? Are they a personification? Did the wild beasts live and did the Angels minister unto Christ? In other words, is the story true, or is it poetry, or metaphor, or mistake, or falsehood?
It might be asked: Why did God wish to be tempted by the Devil? Was God ambitious to obtain a victory over Satan? Was Satan foolish enough to think that he could mislead God, and is it possible that the Devil offered to give the world as a bribe to its creator and owner, knowing at the same time that Christ was the creator and owner, and also knowing that he (Christ) knew that he (the Devil) knew that he (Christ) was the creator and owner?
God Said: Get Your Lazy Ass Up!
Is not the whole story absurdly idiotic? The Devil knew that Christ was God, and knew that Christ knew that the tempter was the Devil.It may be asked how I know that the Devil knew that Christ was God. My answer is found in the same chapter. There is an account of what a Devil said to Christ:
“Let us alone. What have we to do with thee thou Jesus of Nazareth? An thou come to destroy us? I know thee. Thou art the holy one of God.
Certainly, if the little Devils knew this, the Devil himself must have had like information. Jesus rebuked this Devil and said to him: “Hold thy peace, and come out of him.” And when the unclean spirit had torn him and cried with a loud voice, he came out of him.
So we are told that Jesus cast out many Devils, and suffered not the Devils to speak because they knew him. So it is said in the third chapter that “unclean Spirits, when they saw him, fell down before him and cried, saying, ‘Thou art the son of God.'”
In the fifth chapter is an account of casting out the Devils that went into the swine, and we are told that the Devils besought him saying, ‘Send us into the swine.’ And Jesus gave them leave.”
Again I ask: Was it necessary for the Devils to get the permission of Christ before they could enter swine? Again I ask: By whose permission did they enter into the man?
Could personifications of Evil enter a herd of swine, could personifications of Evil, l make a bargain with Christ?
In the sixth chapter we are told that the disciples “cast out many Devils and anointed with oil many that were sick.” Here again the distinction is made between those possessed by Devils and those afflicted by disease. It will not do to say that the Devils were diseases or personifications.
Lucifer’s Rebellion
In the seventh chapter a Greek woman whose daughter was possessed by a Devil besought Christ to cast this Devil out. At last Christ said: “The Devil is gone out of thy daughter.”
In the ninth chapter one of the multitude said unto Christ: “I have brought unto thee my son which hath a dumb spirit. I spoke unto thy disciples that they should cast him out, and they could not.”
So they brought this boy before Christ, and when the boy saw him, the spirit tare him, and he fell on the ground and “wallowed, foaming.”
Christ asked the father: “long is it ago since this came unto him? “And he answered: “Of a child, and oft-times it hath cast him into the fire and into the waters to destroy him.”
Then Christ said: “Thou dumb and deaf spirit, I charge thee, come out of him, and enter no more into him.”
“And the spirit cried, and rent him sore, and came out of him; and he was as one dead; insomuch that many said, ‘He is dead.'”
Then the disciples asked Jesus why they could not cast them out, and Jesus said: “This kind can come forth by nothing but by prayer and fasting.”
Is there any doubt about the belief of the man who wrote this account? Is there any allegory, or poetry, or myth in this story? The Devil, in this case, was not an ordinary, every-day Devil. He was dumb and deaf; it was no use to order him out, because he could not hear. The only way was to pray and fast. Is there such a thing as a dumb and deaf Devil? If so, the Devils must be organized. They must have ears and organs of speech, and they must be dumb because there is something the matter with the apparatus of speaking, and they must be deaf because something is the matter with their ears. It would seem from this that they are not simply spiritual beings, but organized on a physical basis. Now, we know that the ears do not hear. It is the brain that hears. So these Devils must have brains; that is to say, they must have been what we call “organized beings.”
Now, it is hardly possible that personifications of Evil are dumb or deaf. That is to say, that they have physical imperfections. In the same chapter John tells Christ that he saw one casting out Devils in Christ’s name who did not follow with them, and Jesus said: “Forbid him not.”
Personifications
By this he seemed to admit that someone, not a follower of his, was casting out Devils in his name, and he was willing that he should go on, because, as he said: “For there is no man which shall do a miracle in my name that can lightly speak Evil of Me”
In the fourth chapter of Luke the story of the temptation of Christ by the Devil is again told with a few additions. All the writers, having been inspired, did not remember exactly the same things.
Luke tells us that the Devil said unto Christ, having shown him all the Kingdoms of the world in a moment of time: “All this power will I give thee and the glory of them, for that is delivered unto me and to whomsoever I will I give it. If thou wilt worship me, all shall be thine.”
We are also told that when the Devil had ended all the temptation he departed from him for a season. The date of his return is not given.
In the same chapter we are told that a man in the synagogue had a “spirit of an unclean Devil.” This Devil recognized Jesus and admitted that He was the Holy One of God.
As a matter of fact, the apostles seemed to have relied upon the evidence of Devils to substantiate the divinity of their Lord.
Jesus said to this Devil: “Hold thy peace and come out of him.” And the Devil, after throwing the man down, came out.
In the forty-first verse of the same chapter it is said: “And Devils also came out of many, crying out and saying, ‘Thou art Christ, the Son of God.'”
It is also said that Christ rebuked them and suffered them not to speak, for they knew that he was Christ. Now, it will not do to say that these Devils were diseases, because diseases could not talk, and diseases would not recognize Christ as the Son of God. After all, epilepsy is not a theologian. I admit that lunacy comes nearer.
In the eighth chapter is told again the story of the Devils and the swine. In this account, Jesus asked the Devil his name, and the Devil replied “Legion.”
“Legion”
In the ninth chapter is told the story of the Devil that the disciples could not cast out, but was cast out by Christ, and in the thirteenth chapter it is said that the Pharisees came to Jesus, telling him to go away, because Herod would kill him, and Jesus said unto these Pharisees; “Go ye, and tell that fox, behold, I cast out Devils.”
What did he mean by this? Did he mean that he cured diseases? No. Because in the same sentence he says, “And I do cures to-day,” making a distinction between Devils and diseases. In the twenty-second chapter an account of the betrayal of Christ by Judas is given in these words:
“Then entered Satan into Judas Iscariot, being of the number of the twelve.”
“And he went his way and communed with the chief priests and captains how he might betray him unto them.
“And they were glad, and covenanted to give him money. According to Christ the little Devils knew that he was the Son of God.
According to Christian theologians, the Devil has always done his utmost to gain possession of the souls of men. At the time he entered into Judas, persuading him to betray Christ, he knew that if Christ was betrayed he would be crucified, and that he would make an atonement for all believers, and that,as a result, he, the Devil, would lose all the souls that Christ gained. What interest had the Devil in defeating himself? If he could have prevented the betrayal, then Christ would not have been crucified. No atonement would have been made, and the whole world would have gone to hell. The success of the Devil would have been complete. But, according to this story, the Devil outwitted himself.
How thankful we should be to his Satanic Majesty. He opened for us the gates of Paradise and made it possible for us to obtain eternal life. Without Satan, without Judas, not a single human being could have become an Angel of light. All would have been wingless Devils in the prison of flame. In Jerusalem, to the extent of his power, Satan repaired the wreck and ruin he had wrought in the Garden of Eden.
Certainly the writers of the New Testament believed in the existence of the Devil.
In the eighth chapter it is said that out of Mary Magdalene were cast seven Devils. To me Mary Magdalene is the most beautiful character in the New Testament. She is the one true disciple. In the darkness of the crucifixion she lingered near. She was the first at the sepulcher. Defeat, disaster, disgrace, could not conquer her love. And yet, according to the account, when she met the risen Christ, he said: “Touch me not.” This was the reward of her infinite devotion.
Mary Magdalene
In the Gospel of John we are told that John the Baptist said that he saw the Spirit descending from heaven like a dove, and that it abode upon Christ. But in the Gospel of John nothing is said about the Spirit driving Christ into the wilderness to be tempted by the Devil. Possibly John never heard of that, or forgot it, or did not believe it. But in the thirteenth chapter I find this: “supper being ended, the Devil having now put into the heart of Judas Iscariot, Simon’s son, to betray him.” * * *
In John there are no accounts of the casting out of Devils by Christ or his apostles. On that subject there is no word. Possibly John had his doubts.
In the fifth chapter of Acts we are told that the people brought the sick and those which were vexed with unclean Spirits to the apostles, and the apostles healed them. Here again there is made a clear distinction between the sick and those possessed by Devils. And in the eighth chapter we are told that “unclean Spirits, crying with a loud voice, came out of them. In the thirteen chapter Paul calls Elymas the child of the Devil, and in the sixteenth chapter an account is given of “a damsel possessed with a spirit of divination, who brought her masters much gain by soothsaying.”
Paul and Silas, it would seem, cast out this spirit, and by reason of that suffered great persecution.
In the nineteenth chapter certain vagabond Jews pronounced over those who had Evil Spirits the name of Jesus, and the Evil Spirits answered: “Jesus I know, and Paul I know, but who are ye?”
“And the man in whom the Evil spirit was leaped on them so that they fled naked and wounded.”
Paul, writing to the Corinthians, in the eighth chapter says:
“I would not that ye should have fellowship with Devils. Ye cannot drink the cup of the Lord and the cup of Devils. Ye cannot be partakers of the Lord’s table and the table of Devils. Do we provoke the Lord to jealousy?”
In the eleventh chapter he says that long hair is the glory of woman, but that she ought to keep her head covered because of the Angels. In those intellectual days people believed in what were called the Incubi and the Succubi. The Incubi were male Angels and the Succubi were female Angels, and according to the belief of that time nothing so attracted the Incubi as the beautiful hair of women, and for this reason Paul said that women should keep their heads covered. Paul calls the Devil the “prince of the power of the air.”
Head Covered & Viel
So in Jude we are told “that Michael, the archangel, when contending with the Devil he disputed about the body of Moses, durst not bring against him a railing accusation, but said, ‘The Lord rebuke thee.'”
Was this Devil with whom Michael contended a personification of Evil, or a poem, or a myth?
In First Peter we are told to be sober, vigilant, “because your adversary, the Devil, as a roaring lion, walketh about, seeking whom he may devour.”
Are people devoured by personifications or myths? Has an allegory an appetite, or is a poem a cannibal?
So in Ephesians we are warned not to give place to the Devil, and in the same book we are told: “Put on the whole armor of God, that ye may be able to stand against the wiles of the Devil.”
And in Hebrews it is said that “him that had the power of death – that is, the Devil; showing that the Devil has the power of death.
And in James it is said that if we resist the Devil he will flee from us; and in first John we are told that he that committeth sin is of the Devil, for the reason that the Devil sinneth from the beginning; and we are also told that “for this purpose was the Son of God manifested, that he may destroy the works of the Devil.”
No Devil – No Christ.
In Revelation, the most insane of all books, I find the following: “And there was war in heaven. Michael and his Angels fought against the dragon, and the dragon fought and his Angels.” And prevailed not; neither was their place found any more in heaven.
“And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his Angels were cast out with him. “Therefore, rejoice, ye heavens, and ye that dwell in them. Woe to the inhibitors of the earth and of the sea; for the Devil is come down unto you, having great wrath, because he knoweth that he hath but a short time.”
Satan?
From this it would appear that the Devil once lived in heaven, raised a rebellion, was defeated and cast out, and the inspired writer congratulates the Angels that they are rid of him and commiserates us that we have him.
In the twentieth chapter of Revelation is the following:
“And I saw an Angel come down from heaven, having the key of the bottomless pit and a great chain in his hand.
“And he laid hold on the dragon – that old serpent, which is the Devil and Satan – and bound him a thousand years.”
“And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more till the thousand years should be fulfilled; and after he must be loosed a little season.”
It is hard to understand how one could be confined in a pit without a bottom, and how a chain of iron could hold one in eternal fire, or what use there would be to lock a bottomless pit; but these are questions probably suggested by the Devil.
We are further told that “when the thousand years are expired Satan shall be loosed out of his prison.”
“And the Devil was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night forever.”
God’s Eternal-Torment?
In the light of the passages that I have read we can clearly see what the writers of the New Testament believed. About this there can be no honest difference. If the gospels teach the existence of God – of Christ – they teach the existence of the Devil. If the Devil does not exist – if little Devils do not enter the bodies of men – the New Testament may be inspired, but it is not true. The early Christians proved that Christ was divine because he cast out Devils. The evidence they offered was more absurd than the statement they sought to prove. They were like the old man who said that he saw a grindstone floating down the river. Someone said that a grindstone would not float. “Ah,” said the old man, “but the one I saw had an iron crank in it.”
Of course, I do not blame the authors of the gospels. They lived in a superstitious age, at a time when Rumor was the historian, when Gossip corrected the “proof,” and when everything was believed except the facts.
The apostles, like their fellows, believed in miracles and magic.
Credulity was regarded as a virtue.
The Rev. Mr. Parkhurst denounces the apostles as worthless cravens. Certainly I do not agree with him. I think that they were good men. I do not believe that any one of them ever tried to reform Jerusalem on the Parkhurst plan. I admit that they honestly believed in Devils – that they were credulous and superstitious.
There is one story in the New Testament that illustrates my meaning.
In the fifth chapter of John is the following:
“Now, there is at Jerusalem, by the sheep market, a pool, which is called in the Hebrew tongue ‘Bethesda,’ having five porches.
“In these lay a great multitude of impotent folk – of blind, halt, withered – waiting for the moving of the water.
“For an Angel went down at a certain season into the pool and troubled the water: whosoever then first after the troubling of the water stepped in was made whole of whatsoever disease he had.
“And a certain man was there which had an infirmity thirty and eight years. “When Jesus saw him lie and knew that he had been now a long time in that case, he saith unto him: ‘Wilt thou be made whole?’
“The impotent man answered him: ‘Sir, I have no man when the water is troubled to put me into the pool; but while I am coming another steppeth down before me.’
“Jesus saith unto him; ‘Rise, take up thy bed and walk.’
“And immediately the man was made whole and took up his bed and walked.”
Does any sensible human being now believe this story? Was the water of Bethesda troubled by an Angel? Where did the Angel come from? Where do Angels live? Did the Angel put medicine in the water – just enough to cure one? Did he put in different medicines for different diseases, or did he have a medicine, like those that are patented now, that cured all diseases Just the same?
Was the water troubled by an Angel? Possibly, what apostles and theologians call an Angel a scientist knows as carbonic acid gas.
John does not say that the people thought the water was troubled by an Angel,but he states it as a fact. And he tells us, also, as a fact, that the first invalid that got in the water after it had been troubled was cured of what disease he had.
Again I say that if the Devil does not exist the gospels are not inspired. If Devils do not exist Christ was either honestly mistaken, insane or an impostor.
If Devils do not exist the fall of man is a mistake and the atonement an absurdity if Devils do not exist hell becomes only a dream of revenge.
Beneath the structure called “Christianity” are four cornerstones – the Father, Son, Holy Ghost and Devil.
The Evidence of the Church
All the fathers of the church believed in Devils. All the saints won their crowns by overcoming Devils. All the popes and cardinals, bishops and priests, believed in Devils. Most of their time was occupied in fighting Devils. The whole Catholic world, from the lowest layman to the highest priest, believed in Devils. They proved the existence of Devils by the New Testament. They knew that these Devils were citizens of hell. They knew that Satan was their King. They knew that hell was made for the Devil and his Angels.
The founders of all the Protestant churches – the makers of all the orthodox creeds – all the leading Protestant theologians, from Luther to the president of Princeton College – were, and are, firm believers in the Devil. All the great commentators believed in the Devil as firmly as they did in God.
Under the “Scheme of Salvation” the Devil was a necessity. Somebody had to be responsible for the thorns and thistles, for the cruelties and crimes. Somebody had to father the mistakes of God. The Devil was the scapegoat of Jehovah.
For hundreds of years, good, honest, zealous Christians contended against the Devil. They fought him day and night, and the thought that they had beaten him gave to their dying lips the smile of victory.
For centuries the church taught that the natural man was totally depraved; that he was by nature a child of the Devil, and that new-born babes were tainted by unclean Spirits.
As late as the middle of the sixteenth century, every infant that was baptized was, by that ceremony, freed from a Devil. When the holy water was applied the priest said: “I command thee, thou unclean spirit, in the name of the Father, of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost, that thou come out and depart from this infant, whom our Lord Jesus Christ has vouchsafed to call to his holy baptism, to be made a member of his body, and of his holy congregation.” At that time the fathers – the theologians, the commentators – agreed that unbaptized children, including those that were born dead, went to hell.
And these same fathers – theologians and commentators – said: “God is love.”
These babes were pure as Pity’s tears, innocent as their mother’s loving smiles, and yet the makers of our creeds believed and taught that leering, unclean fiends inhabited their dimpled flesh. O, the unscarchable riches of Christianity!
For many centuries the church filled the world with Devils – with malicious Spirits that caused storm and tempest, disease, accident and death – that filled the night with visions of despair; with prophecies that drove the dreamers mad. These Devils assumed a thousand forms – countless disguises in their efforts to capture souls and destroy the church. They deceived sometimes the wisest and the best, made priests forget their vows. They melted virtue’s snow in passion’s fire, and in cunning ways entrapped and smirched the innocent and good. These Devils gave witches and wizards their supernatural powers, and told them the secrets of the future.
The Wizard
The Witch
Millions of men and women were destroyed because they had sold themselves to the Devil.
At that time Christians really believed the New Testament. They knew it was the inspired word of God, and so believing, so knowing – as they thought – they became insane.
No man has genius enough to describe the agonies that have been inflicted on innocent men and women because of this absurd belief. How it darkened the mind, hardened the heart, and poisoned life! It made the Universe a madhouse presided over by an insane God.
Think! Why would a merciful God allow his children to be the victims of Devils? Why would a decent God allow his worshipers to believe in Devils, and by reason of that belief to persecute, torture and burn their fellow-men? (The inquisitions) Christians did not ask these questions. They believed the Bible; they had confidence in the words of Christ.
Does Satan Exist?
Many of the clergy are now ashamed to say that they believe in Devils. The belief has become ignorant and vulgar. They are ashamed of the lake of fire and brimstone. It is too savage.
At the same time they do not wish to give up the inspiration of the Bible. They give new meanings to the inspired words. Now they say that Devils were only personifications of Evil.
If the Devils were only personifications of Evil what were the Angels? Was the Angel who told Joseph who the father of Christ was, a personification? Was the Holy Ghost only the personification of a father? Was the Angel who told Joseph that Herod was dead a personification of news?
Were the Angels who rolled away the stone and sat clothed in shining garments in the empty sepulcher of Christ a couple of personifications? Were all the Angels described in the Old Testament imaginary shadows – bodiless personifications? If the Angels of the Bible are real Angels, the Devils are real Devils.
Do Angels Have Wings?
Let us be honest with ourselves and each other and give to the Bible its natural, obvious meaning. Let us admit that the writers believed what they wrote. If we believe that they were mistaken, let us have the honesty and courage to say so. Certainly we have no right to change or avoid their meaning, or to dishonestly correct their mistakes. Timid preachers sully their own souls when they change what the writers of the Bible believed to be facts to allegories, parables, poems and myths.
It is impossible for any man who believes in the inspiration of the Bible to explain away the Devil.
If the Bible is true the Devil exists. There is no escape from this.
If the Devil does not exist the Bible is not true. There is no escape from this.
I admit that the Devil of the Bible is an impossible contradiction; an impossible being. This Devil is the enemy of God and God is his. Now, why should this Devil, in another world, torment sinners, who are his friends, to please God, his enemy? If the Devil is a personification, so is hell and the lake of fire and brimstone. All these horrors fade into allegories; into ignorant lies.
Any clergyman who can read the Bible and then say that Devils are personifications of Evil is himself a personification of stupidity or hypocrisy.
The Orthodox Ostrich Thrusts His Head into The Sand.
Christian Belief Concerning the Biblical God
Does any intelligent man now, whose brain has not been deformed by superstition, believe in the existence of the Devil? What evidence have we that he exists? Where does this Devil live? What does he do for a livelihood? What does he eat? If he does not eat, he cannot think. He cannot think without the expenditure of force. He cannot create force; he must borrow it – that is to say, he must eat. How does he move from place to place? Does he walk or does he fly, or has he invented some machine? What object has he in life? What idea of success? This Devil, according to the Bible, knows that he is to be defeated; knows that the end is absolute and eternal failure; knows that every step he takes leads to the infinite catastrophe. Why does he act as he does?
Satan Defeated?
(Cause he is stupid? No he is not, he is the one making God’s plan and creation a huge failure / pain in the behind/hell on earth/etc…so the Devil would not be stupid, otherwise his competition is not that bright as well)
Our fathers thought that everything in this world came from some other realm; that all ideas of right and wrong came from above; that conscience dropped from the clouds; that the darkness was filled with imps from perdition, and the day with Angels from heaven; that souls had been breathed into man by Jehovah.
What there is in this world that lives and breathes was produced here. Life was not imported. Mind is not an exotic. Of this planet man is a native. This world is his mother. The maker did not descend from the heavens. The maker was and is here. Matter and force in their countless forms, affinities and repulsions produced the living, breathing world.
How can we account for Devils? Is it possible that they creep into the bodies of men and swine? Do they stay in the stomach or brain, in the heart or liver?
Are these Devils immortal or do they multiply and die? Were they all created at the same time or did they spring from a single pair? If they are subject to death what becomes of them after death? Do they go to some other world, are they annihilated, or can they get to heaven by believing on Christ?
In the brain of science the Devils have never lived. There you will find no goblins, ghosts, wraiths or imps – no witches, spooks or sorcerers. There the supernatural does not exist. No man of sense in the whole world believes in Devils any more than he does in mermaids, vampires, gorgons, hydras, naiads, dryads, nymphs, fairies or the anthropophagi – any more than he does in the Fountain of Youth, the Philosopher’s Stone, Perpetual Motion or Fiat Money.
Fountain of Youth
There is the same difference between religion and science that there is between a madhouse and a university – between a fortune teller and a mathematician – between emotion and philosophy – between guess and demonstration. The Devils have gone, and with them they have taken the miracles of Christ. They have carried away our Lord. They have taken away the inspiration of the Bible, and we are left in the darkness of nature without the consolation of hell. But let me ask the clergy a few questions: How did your Devil, who was at one time an Angel of light, come to sin? There was no other Devil to tempt him. He was in perfectly good society – in the company of God – of the Trinity. All of his associates were perfect. How did he fall? He knew that God was infinite, and yet he waged war against him and induced about a third of the Angels to volunteer. He knew that he could not succeed; knew that he would be defeated and cast out; knew that he was fighting for failure.
Why was God so unpopular? Why were the Angels so bad?
According to the Christens, these Angels were Spirits. They had never been corrupted by flesh, by the passion of love. Why were they so wicked?
Why did God create those Angels, knowing that they would rebel? Why did he deliberately sow the seeds of discord in heaven, knowing that he would cast them into the lake of eternal fire – knowing that for them he would create the eternal prison, whose dungeons would echo forever the sobs and shrieks of endless pain? (Just like the same exact question applies to the creation of man, it goes the same and should go first to the creation of Angels.)
How foolish is infinite wisdom!
Infinite Wisdom
How malicious is mercy?
How revengeful is boundless love?
Again, I say that no sensible man in all the world believes in Devils.
Why does God allow these Devils to enjoy themselves at the expense of his ignorant children? Why does he allow them to leave their prison? Does he give them furloughs or tickets-of-leave?
Does he want his children misled and corrupted so that he can have the pleasure of damning their souls?
The Man of Straw
Some of the preachers who have answered me say that I am fighting a man of straw.
I am fighting the supernatural – the dogma of inspiration – the belief in Devils – the atonement, salvation by faith – the forgiveness of sins and the savagery of eternal pain. I am fighting the absurd, the monstrous, the cruel.
The ministers pretend that they have advanced – that they do not believe the things that I attack. In this they are not honest.
Who is the “man of straw”?
The man of straw is their master. In every orthodox pulpit stands this man of straw – stands beside the preacher – stands with a club, called a “creed,” in his upraised hand. The shadow of this club falls athwart the open Bible – falls upon the preacher’s brain, darkens the light of his reason and compels him to betray himself.
The man of straw rules every sectarian school and college – very orthodox church. He is the censor who passes on every sermon. Now and then some minister puts a little sense in his discourse – tries to take a forward step. Down comes the club, and the man of straw demands an explanation – a retraction. If the minister takes it back – good. If he does not, he is brought to book. The man of straw put the plaster of silence on the lips of Prof. Briggs, and he was forced to leave the church or remain dumb.
The man of straw closed the mouth of Prof. Smith, and he has not opened it since.
The man of straw would not allow the Presbyterian creed to be changed. The man of straw took Father McGlynn by the collar, forced him to his knees, made him take back his words and ask forgiveness for having been abused. The man of straw pitched Prof. Swing out of the pulpit and drove the Rev. Mr. Thomas from the Methodist Church.
Let me tell the orthodox ministers that they are trying to cover their retreat.
You have given up the geology and astronomy of the Bible. You have admitted that its history is untrue. You are retreating still. You are giving up the dogma of inspiration; you have your doubts about the flood and Babel; you have given up the witches and wizards; you are beginning to throw away the miraculous; you have killed the little Devils and in a little while you will murder the Devil himself.
The Tower Of Babel?
In a few years you will take the Bible for what it is worth. The good and true will be treasured in the heart; the foolish, the infamous, will be thrown away.
The man of straw will then be dead.
Of course, the real old petrified, orthodox Christian will cling to the Devil. He expects to have all his sins charged to the Devil, and at the same time he will be credited with all the virtues of Christ. Upon this showing on the books, upon this balance, he will be entitled to his halo and harp. What a glorious, what an equitable, transaction! The sorcerer Superstition changes debt to credit. He waves his wand, and he who deserves the tortures of hell receives an eternal reward.
But if a man lacks faith the scheme is exactly reversed. While in one case a soul is rewarded for the virtues of another, in the other case a soul is damned for the sins of another. This is justice when it blossoms in mercy. (sigh)
Beyond this idiocy cannot go.
Keep the Devil Out of the Child
William Kingdon Clifford, one of the greatest men of this century, said: “If there is one lesson that history forces upon us in every page, it is this: Keep your children away from the priest, or he will make them the enemies of mankind. “In every orthodox Sunday school children are taught to believe in Devils. Every little brain becomes a menagerie, filled with wild beasts from hell. The imagination is polluted with the deformed, the monstrous and malicious. To fill the minds of children with leering fiends – with mocking Devils – is one of the meanest and basest of crimes. In these pious prisons – these divine dungeons – these Protestant and Catholic inquisitions – children are tortured with these cruel lies. Here they are taught that to really think is wicked; that to express your honest thought is blasphemy; and that to live a free and joyous life, depending on fact instead of faith, is the sin against the Holy Ghost.
William Kingdon Clifford
Children thus taught – thus corrupted and deformed become the enemies of investigation – of progress. They are no longer true to themselves. They have lost the veracity of the soul. In the language of Prof. Clifford, “they are the enemies of the human race.”
So I say to all fathers and mothers, keep your children away from priests; away from orthodox Sunday schools; away from the slaves of superstition.
They will teach them to believe in the Devil; in hell, in the prison of God; in the eternal dungeon, where the souls of men are to suffer forever. These frightful things are a part of Christianity. Take these lies from the creed and the whole scheme falls into shapeless ruin. This dogma of hell is the infinite of savagery – the dream of insane revenge. It makes God a wild beast – an infinite hyena. It makes Christ as merciless as the fangs of a viper. Save poor children from the pollution of this horror. Protect them from this infinite lie.
Conclusion
I admit that there are many good and beautiful passages in the Old and New Testament; that from the lips of Christ dropped many pearls of kindness – of love. Every verse that is true and tender I treasure in my heart. Every thought, behind which is the tear of pity, I appreciate and love. But I cannot accept it all. Many utterances attributed to Christ shock my brain and heart. They are absurd and cruel.
Take from the New Testament the infinite savagery, the shoreless malevolence of eternal pain, the absurdity of salvation by faith, the ignorant belief in the existence of Devils, the immorality and cruelty of the atonement, the doctrine of non- resistance that denies to virtue the right of self-defense, and how glorious it would be to know that the remainder is true! Compared with this knowledge, how everything else in nature would shrink and shrivel!
What ecstasy it would be to know that God exists; that he is our father and that he loves and cares for the children of men! To know that all the paths that Human Beings travel, turn and wind as they may, lead to the gates of stainless peace! How the heart would thrill and throb to know that Christ was the conquer of Death; that at his grave the all-devouring monster was baffled and beaten forever; that from that moment the tomb became the door that opens on eternal life! To know this would change all sorrow into gladness. Poverty, failure, disaster, defeat, power, place and wealth would become meaningless sounds. To take your babe upon your knee and say: “Mine and mine forever!” What joy! To clasp the woman you love in your arms and to know that she is yours and forever – yours though suns darken and constellations vanish! This is enough: To know that the loved and dead are not lost; that they still live and love and wait for you. To know that Christ dispelled the darkness of death and filled the grave with eternal light. To know this would be all that the heart could bear. Beyond this joy cannot go. Beyond this there is no place for hope. How beautiful, how enchanting, Death would be! How we would long to see his fleshless skull! What rays of glory would stream from his sightless sockets, and how the heart would long for the touch of his stilling hand! The shroud would become a robe of glory, the funeral procession a harvest home, and the grave would mark the end of sorrow, the beginning of eternal Joy.
EternalJoy?
And yet it were better far that all this should be false than that: all of the New Testament should be true. It is far better to have no heaven than to have heaven and hell; better to have no God than God and Devil. better to rest in eternal sleep than to be an Angel and know that the ones you love are suffering eternal pain; better to live a free and loving life – a life that ends forever at the grave – than to be an immortal slave. The master cannot be great enough to make slavery sweet. I have no ambition to become a winged servant, a winged slave. Better eternal sleep. But they say, “If you give up these superstitions, what have you left?”
Let me now give you the declaration of a creed:
DECLARATION OF THE FREE:
We have no falsehoods to defend. We want the facts; our force, our thought, we do not spend in vain attacks. And we will never meanly try to save some fair and pleasing lie.
The simple truth is what we ask, not the ideal; we’ve set ourselves the noble task to find the real.
If all there is naught but dross, we want to know and bear our loss. We will not willingly be fooled, by fables nursed; our hearts, by earnest thought, are schooled to bear the worst; and we can stand erect and dare all things. All facts that really are.
We have no God to serve or fear, no Hell to shun, no Devil with malicious leer.
When life is done an endless sleep may close our eyes. A sleep with neither dreams nor sighs.
We have no master on the land – no King in air – without a manacle we stand, without a prayer, without a fear of coming night, we seek the truth, we love the light.
We do not bow before a guess, a vague unknown; a senseless force we do not bless in solemn tone.
When Evil comes we do not curse, or thank because it is no worse.
When cyclones rend – when lightning blights, ’tis naught but fate; there is no God of wrath who smites in heartless hate.
Behind the things that injure man there is no purpose, thought, or plan. We waste no time in useless dread, in trembling fear; the present lives, the past is dead, and we are here, all welcome guests at life’s great feast – we need no help from ghost or priest.
Our life is joyous, jocund, free – not one a slave who bends in fear the trembling knee, and seeks to save a coward soul from future pain; not one will cringe or crawl for gain. The jeweled cup of love we drain, and friendship’s wine now swiftly flows in every vein with warmth divine.
And so we love and hope and dream that in death’s sky there is a gleam. We walk according to our light, pursue the path that leads to honor’s stainless height, careless of wrath or curse of God, or priestly spite, longing to know and do the right.
We love our fellow-man, our kind, wife, child, and friend.
To phantoms we are deaf and blind, but we extend the helping hand to the distressed; by lifting others we are blessed.
Love’s sacred flame within the heart and friendship’s glow; while all the miracles of art their wealth bestow upon the thrilled and joyous brain, and present raptures banish pain.
We love no phantoms of the skies, but living flesh, with passion’s soft and soulful eyes, lips warm and fresh, and cheeks with health’s red flag unfurled, the breathing Angels of this world. The hands that help are better far than lips that pray. Love is the ever gleaming star that leads the way, that shines, not on vague worlds of bliss, but on a paradise in this.
We do not pray, or weep, or wail; we have no dread, no fear to pass beyond the veil that hides the dead. And yet we question, dream, and guess, but knowledge we do not possess.
We ask, yet nothing seems to know; we cry in vain. There is no “master of the show” who will explain, or from the future tear the mask; and yet we dream, and still we ask is there beyond the silent night an endless day; is death a door that leads to light? We cannot say. The tongue less secret locked in fate we do not know.
We Cry In Vain?
We hope and wait. Robert Ingersoll
(from his lecture About The Holy Bible)
All the above was submitted by Jim Hurtman. Thank you, Jim!
Does the Old Testament satisfy this standard?
Is there anything in the Old Testament – in history, in theory, in law, in government, in morality, in science – above and beyond the ideas, the beliefs, the customs and prejudices of its authors and the people among whom they lived? Is there one ray of light from any supernatural source?
The ancient Hebrews believed that this earth was the center of the universe, and that the sun, moon and stars were specks in the sky.
The Earth Is Not the Center of the Universe
With this the Bible agrees.
They thought the earth was flat, with four corners; that the sky, the firmament, was solid — the floor of Jehovah’s house.
The Bible teaches the same.
They imagined that the sun journeyed about the earth, and that by stopping the sun the day could be lengthened.
The Bible agrees with this.
They believed that Adam and Eve were the first man and woman; that they had been created but a few years before, and that they, the Hebrews, were their direct descendants.
This the Bible teaches.
If anything is, or can be, certain, the writers of the Bible were mistaken about creation, astronomy, geology; about the causes of phenomena, the origin of evil and the cause of death.
Now, it must be admitted that if an infinite Being is the author of the Bible, he knew all sciences, all facts, and could not have made a mistake.
If, then, there are mistakes, misconceptions, false theories, ignorant myths and blunders in the Bible, it must have been written by finite beings; that is to say, by ignorant and mistaken men.
Nothing can be clearer than this.
For centuries the church insisted that the Bible was absolutely true; that it contained no mistakes; that the story of creation was true; that its astronomy and geology were in accord with the facts; that the scientists who differed with the Old Testament were infidels and atheists.
All Scientists Are Infidels & Atheists?
Now this has changed. The educated Christians admit that the writers of the Bible were not inspired as to any science. They now say that God, or Jehovah, did not inspire the writers of his book for the purpose of instructing the world about astronomy, geology, or any science.
They now admit that the inspired men who wrote the Old Testament knew nothing about any science, and that they wrote about the earth and stars, the sun and moon, in accordance with the general ignorance of the time. It required many centuries to force the theologians to this admission. Reluctantly, full of malice and hatred, the priests retired from the field, leaving the victory with science.
They took another position;
They declared that the authors, or rather the writers, of the Bible were inspired in spiritual and moral things; that Jehovah wanted to make known to his children his will and his infinite love for his children; that Jehovah, seeing his people wicked, ignorant and depraved, wished to make them merciful and just, wise and spiritual, and that the Bible is inspired in its laws, in the religion it teaches and in its ideas of government.
This is the issue now. Is the Bible any nearer right in its ideas of justice, of mercy, of morality or of religion than in its conception of the sciences? Is it moral?
It upholds slavery — it sanctions polygamy.
Could a devil have done worse?
Is it merciful?
In war it raised the black flag; it commanded the destruction, the massacre, of all — of the old, infirm. And helpless — of wives and babes.
Were its laws inspired?
Hundreds of offenses were punished with death. To pick up sticks on Sunday, to murder your father on Monday, were equal crimes. There is in the literature of the world no bloodier code. The law of revenge — of retaliation — was the law of Jehovah. An eye for an eye, a tooth for a tooth, a limb for a limb.
This is savagery – not philosophy.
Is it just and reasonable?
The Bible is opposed to religious toleration — to religious liberty. Whoever differed with the majority was stoned to death. Investigation was a crime. Husbands were ordered to denounce and to assist in killing their unbelieving wives.
It is the enemy of Art. “Thou shalt make no graven image.” This was the death of Art.
Palestine never produced a painter or a sculptor.
Is the Bible civilized? It upholds lying, larceny, robbery, murder, the selling of diseased meat to strangers, and even the sacrifice of human beings to Jehovah. Is it philosophical?
It teaches that the sins of a people can be transferred to an animal – to a goat. It makes maternity an offence for which a sin offering had to be made.
It was wicked to give birth to a boy, and twice as wicked to give birth to a girl. To make hair-oil like that used by the priests was an offence punishable with death.
The blood of a bird killed over running water was regarded as medicine.
Would a civilized God daub his altars with the blood of oxen, lambs and doves? Would he make all his priests butchers? Would he delight in the smell of burning flesh?
I have been a behavioral student and therapist for over 40 years.
Concerning futuristic possibilities: I personally perceive that when, not if, the “living-chip” is implanted into each US citizen; US law-enforcement and prisons may become almost obsolete.
Why? Because each “living-chip” will have a satellite tracking system (GPS) 24 / 7 that the legal system can graph-trace back to the exact time that the “living-chip” was implanted. The individual’s World Identification Number (WIN #) would place all individuals at the time and place of any reported legal infraction.
As an example, when investigated, a suspect can be GPS time-traced 24 / 7 for the past 6 months or longer. Can moral privacy become somewhat diminished? Yes. Due to eminent GPS, time-traced detection, damaging crime could become less likely and also, due to hard evidence, quickly handled. Even “Big Brother” cameras, nation-wide, could be eliminated. US Government law-enforcement detection and prison costs could be greatly reduced.
Mature democracy and public vote could adjust and modernize religious moral codes so that the public could become more permissive, forgiving, feeling less guilty and naturally “Human” concerning their non-destructive moral practices – specifically concerning having Human sexual relations. Jealously and angry destructive feelings could be sensed by the “living chip”; then therapeutically treated and monitored. When major Human life options and choices can be quickly realized, jealousy and guilt usually evaporate in healthy, mental-emotional systems. The hard-wired, jealous, possessive romantic initially will not like this. After a few generations, society could function happier and healthier and with less negative emotional stress. Their diverse passions may be better realized, experienced and enjoyed.
Another advantage of the “living chip” system could be, every US citizen’s talent and their ever-changing interests may be provided for concerning meaningful employment and diverse recreation criteria. Even social-emotional-intellectual matchmaking could be more effective, as that service has already begun.
Population control and marriage laws may be simpler, more realistic and less consequential. Children may be better protected, supervised and cared for.
Middle-class and sexual equality could flourish. There may no longer be a 1% wealth society. Human health could be constantly monitored and more effectively provided for. Any severity of injury could be instantaneously detected and expertly provided for.
Looking back on Human history, this progressive social system could do a much better job than the Biblical God followers have been documented to have done over a past few thousand years.
These revolutionary / radical perspectives and changes naturally scare almost everybody (mostly Christian Republicans) because, we Human animals are all somewhat mind-set and resistant to change. Can you imagine how Sharia-Law Muslims would react to these radical perspectives?
Don’t worry. All this will probably not be accomplished within our short lifetimes.
Whatchathink?
Connect the Dots
The top, in TOTAL power and control, International-Bankers are NOT known by name or address. No President or Head of State on Earth is more powerful or has more authoritative control than the invisible International-Bankers (The Unseen Hand by Ralph Epperson). A few “evolving” International-Bankers have competed for well over a century in running this money-dominated, economically dependent World.
The International-Bankers use “Democracy” which is the most “revolutionary” (rapidly changing) political vehicle ever invented. Like farmers, these Bankers use Corporations and Democracy (“Corporatocracy”) for the seeding of dependent and addictive money. Money was invented and has evolved to become the one and only real “God of Consequence” on planet Earth. Every Country and each individual is becoming directly or indirectly dependent upon and addicted to the International-Banker’s MONEY.
Connecting just a few dots like – Adam Wieshaupt’s Bavarian Illuminati, the Rothschild family, the Rockefellers, Rhodes, Oppenheimers, Carnegies, J. P. Morgan, MI 5, MI 6, FBI, CIA, the Masons, the CFR, the Bilderburgers, the Trilateral Commission, the World Banks, BCCI, the United Nations, the Bohemian (Grove) Club, the Skull & Bones, the World Media, the Mormons, the most powerful International Corporations, the Federal-Reserve-Bank and the top bought politicians can assist anyone with sight viewing the rapidly evolving New-World-Order.
These are a few of the organizations that many view contribute to the New-World-Order. Of course, for others, denial is automatic.
The International-Banker’s agenda is to economically take over and eventually own all sovereign lands by economically owning all the people on those lands. How? Debt! Their agenda is to get every Individual, their State and their Country financed and indebted to the hilt and to make them sacrifice and produce so to repay their debt. The agenda is as simple as child’s-play. Individuals are programmed to perform certain tasks in society to fulfill the, few in number, competing International-Banker’s agendas and to assist in those, International-Banker’s rapidly evolving economic infrastructure.
John D. Rockefeller
The International Bankers?
Dylan Ratigan Jacob Rothschild(son)–> Amschel Moses Rothschild Paul Warburg
Michel David-Weill (Lazard) David de Rothschild Lloyd Blankfein Warren Buffett (Goldman Sachs)
Goldman Sachs Chairman & CEO Lloyd Blankfein John D. Rockefeller / Andrew Carnegie / Cornelius Vanderbilt / J.P. Morgan
The International-Bankers buy and pay for their politicians. Millions are spent in the process of “electing” their “Presidents”. Only the International-Banker’s chosen candidates participate. The “chosen” have to be “on the team” and “with the program”.
Occasionally, the International-Bankers get frustrated and are disappointed because their bought and still paying for credit infrastructure is somewhat weak – but it is strengthening. Can you see how the power of money and credit has evolved worldwide over the past 150 years?
According to bold and courageous John Perkins, author of the exposing book: “Confessions of an Economic Hit Man”, a college economics graduate with certain tested strengths and weaknesses, is recruited by the U. S. Government’s National Security Agency (NSA). The new Economic Hit Man’s “job” is employed through a public economic consulting corporation.
His job is to contact a newly elected President or head of a country and to make him an offer he cannot refuse.
John Perkins clearly describes in his book that he would congratulate the new President and tell him that in his pocket he has millions of dollars for the new President to modernize his country.
The money is used to make the President rich and to build up his country’s infrastructure and bring the country into the modern age. He then tells the new President that in his other pocket he has a gun and a bullet with the new President’s name on it. If things go well, The World-Bank makes the loan of millions for this new President’s country.
World Bank
World Bank Building, Washington, DC World Bank decision making.
The borrowed money typically goes to some often “no-bid” US corporations like Halliburton and Bechtel, who are contracted to do the work. Then, the Economic Hit Man comes back and orders the President and his country to pay up. When they cannot pay up, deals are made to fulfill the International-Banker’s interests.
The deals could be “Oil Concessions” or the “drafting” (legal kidnapping) and sending of that country’s young people to fight to their death in the International-Banker’s wars – just as the United States of America’s young men and women loyally and obediently volunteer to kill and die. American troops do not know that they are killing and dying for the International Banker’s American led wars. Why? America, its corporations, and most of its citizens are heavily in debt to the International-Bankers.
The few International-Bankers compete for control of the 6 major currencies on planet Earth and they are ever-struggling to take over and convert the minor currencies.
If the newly “elected” President will not or does not willfully fulfill the International-Banker’s agenda, John Perkins says a “Jackal” (CIA – FBI – Mob – 007 assassin – mercenary hitman) will assassinate the new President like they did before with Jaime Roldos in Ecuador, Allende in Chile, Omar Torrijos in Panama, many others – and what they are still trying to do to Hugo Chavez in Venezuela. John Perkins said: The “Jackal” will overthrow him or assassinate him. If that doesn’t work, the U. S. will send in the troops to capture or kill him like we did with Noriega and Saddam Hussein. (How did Fidel Castro survive?)
Reverend Pat Robertson, a wealthy, former U. S. Presidential candidate, recently announced while preaching on public television that Hugo Chavez of Venezuela should be “taken out”. Pat Robertson, a licensed, ordained Christian minister, wants Chavez dead! He obviously knows how the International-Banker’s agenda works. To Hugo Chavez’s credit, he has publicly stood up against the imperialism of President George W. Bush and to Reverend Pat Robertson, both who want Chavez dead. Denial is automatic.
As a side note: I’m betting that if Pat Robertson and George W. Bush were thoroughly interrogated, under intense pressure, as to what their own personal God looks like – as typical, each of their personal Gods would ultimately look very much like them.
Pat Robertson
George W. Bush
Obviously, President John F. Kennedy would NOT “play ball” with the powerful International-Bankers. President Kennedy produced United States notes and put them into circulation in order to circumvent and ultimately eliminate the Federal Reserve Bank. President Kennedy was assassinated. New President Lyndon B. Johnson quietly had those U. S. notes retrieved and destroyed.
The Federal Reserve Bank remains in business and still controls U. S. currency today. How many U. S. citizens are even vaguely aware of how the International-Bankers function?
Organizations like the Council on Foreign Relations (CFR), founded under President Woodrow Wilson in 1921, have drawn all but a few United States Presidents out of its membership pool. If they weren’t already members, they became members or at least affiliated. The now over 4,000 member CFR provides much of the talent pool for corporate decision making, media control and exposure, banking executives and the most agenda-useful politicians money can buy.
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As a World power, the President of the United States and the CFR’s “movers and shakers” are all second string to the International-Bankers. This is often viewed as a blasphemy by the religious, arrogant, ego-driven, God-worshiping, President-backing believers of the U S of A. “My God / My Country / My President – right or wrong” is their ignorant, stubborn and murderous mindset.
The CFR will send anyone a free annual report including its membership list upon request. Check it out and see how many you recognize to be the World’s most prominent “movers and shakers”.
Adolfo Nicolas Pope Benedict XVI James E. Grummer S.J. Thomas H. Smolich David S. Ciancimino, S.J
Joseph M. McShane, S.J Edward Cardinal Egan Joseph A. O’Hare, S.J. John J. DeGioia Richard N. Haass
Zbigniew Brzezinski George Soros Rupert Murdoch Joseph R. Biden Barack Hussein Obama
John Perkins: “Saddam Hussein accepted our weapons and our deals. He gassed Curds and fought Iran. (Hummm. Iran must NOT be cooperating with the International-Bankers.) Saddam did NOT wholly obey, completely accept, agree to and cooperate like the corruptible Saudis DID, so we sent the troops in to get him.
If Saddam had agreed to keep oil prices low, sell oil for US Dollars and not Euros, he would still be President of Iraq today”.
The International-Bankers want to – but do NOT yet economically own all of the World’s countries. They want “economic parity / equality”. They want every country and each individual sorely in debt to them. So, they must constantly produce and build the World economic infrastructure the way their economic agenda has designed it to evolve. Mexico City is to be as productive and vulnerable as Somalia, New York City and Kiev. Ultimately the International Bankers want “parity” (equal economic strength, equal productivity and equal vulnerability) for all the lands and for all the cities on all continents.
Once the economic infrastructure is successfully in place – no more cash. A tiny “living chip” imbedded in each of our bodies will replace cash and we will become a cashless society. The chip transmits to a Global Tracking System so that our body’s location is known, and our paths can be traced back in time 24/7.
Eventually these chips can be altered, enhanced and used by the technical expertise of the New World “Odor” / International Banker to discipline, disable and destroy the human-being who the International-Banker’s “living chip”, in essence, owns. Who knows, the chip may be programmed to perform selective sterilization and determine lifespans to the specifications of World authority. That may resolve their “population-control” problems. Scientific genetic matches concerning intelligence, talents, labor, athleticism and servitude are already included in dating matchmaker’s profiles.
Prisons may become limited and almost obsolete. “Useless eaters” may be eliminated as firmly suggested in Dr. John Coleman’s fine book: “The Committee of 300”.
The International-Bankers use “Corporations” (fictitious entities made legal, with bylaws and specific agendas) to develop their financial web and all human being’s economic dependence.
God was the first Corporation – a fictitious entity with bylaws and an agenda. The God concept will continue to exist as long as the concept of God is supported, has an authoritative agenda, with bylaws, and is financed. No God has ever existed or could exist – in human minds – without these ingredients.
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Once the International Corporations “seed” less affluent, third-world countries / populace, they hire the locals who will become economically dependent. They then, with some media brainwashing, will go through the mere formality to democratically appoint (elect) the bought and paid-for politicians that temporally best suit the International-Banker’s current agenda and needs.
“Democracy” is the quickest and most revolutionary political force ever used. Most Democratic elections take place every few years. The naïve peasants think that they have a say concerning their leaders.
Most believers religiously obey and support whoever is put in charge of them. Thinkers are always full of questions that the believers turn a deaf ear to. A few thinkers and believers do crave to become part of the elite.
God-training and fear-based religion continues to brainwash most of the peasants of Earth so that they practice being fear-based and focused on “red-herrings” like God and religion. God and religion takes their minds off reality. They will not be conscious of what goes on around them or become aware of what is in store for them. Many pray for a sign from God. They eagerly cooperate when an “assumed leader” calls them to service believing that God provided them a sign.
Tradition is the dead leading the blind.
Traditionally, believers establish and maintain an arrogant, stubborn, Biblical God-like “US against them” disposition and attitude.
Believers will keep faithful, intentionally dependent and they will trust. With mass coordinated news media spin and propaganda, the believer’s leaders can get away with almost anything. With these tools in place and functional, assumed, appointed authorities will easily have their way with most fear-based individuals and the passive, unknowing, uncaring masses.
News, sport, commercial, religious and entertainment media are industries owned by the financial, corporate moguls who, themselves, are totally dependentt on the International-Bankers. They motivate, mold, discipline and pacify the citizens who tune into them. These moguls are kept rich and happy as long as they conform to and support the International-Banker’s program.
President Ronald Reagan’s “Star Wars” program, which is known in some circles as “Space Command”, currently knocks out of space any satellite that the International-Bankers don’t want there.
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Armed nuclear smart bombs are a remote button away for any country that doesn’t want to “play ball” with the behind the scenes International-Bankers.
Oil-rich countries may be exempt from nuclear attack, because the International-Bankers don’t want to contaminate usable oil fields.
Once the “living-chips” are in place, by his or her own World Identification (WIN) Number, an individual may be surgically taken-out by laser from space.
Eventually, when the economic infrastructure is totally in place worldwide, the International-Bankers will impose “eminent domain” and they, over time, will buy and own all land and real estate. Then, they will rent all land and real-estate properties. No citizen will ever again have real-property ownership. One may rent at the level that he or she earns. All vehicles will be leased. Personal products and services will be purchased by chip transactions in a cashless World.
Through your personal, credit-card included, “living-chip”, The International-Bankers will get a financial piece of every computer-generated transaction – large or small. No exchange of value will escape them. If they wish to discipline and correct you, they will simply take away your “allowance”. You would become as hopeless, helpless, powerless and desperate as they wish you to be.
Communism and socialism will have the economic infrastructure they always needed to be successful, as outside of personal property, the International Bankers and its New World Government will own everything. Capitalism will still flourish, as the one winning International Banker left standing, and his board of directors, will control the entire planet Earth.
There will be no longer any “sovereign” Countries – but NEW redistributed States with Governorships of equal power, equal vulnerability and of equal economic value.
These renamed, nationality immaterial, States all are headed by the elite (bought and paid for) Governors who are appointed by the one and only God of consequence in this World. That one real still evolving God of consequence will be the one remaining, all-powerful, computer friendly, International-Banker.
If Chancellor Adolph Hitler had taken power over an in place, Earth encompassing, New World Order economic infrastructure, Hitler would have easily ruled the World. Much of the human race may have ceased to exist.
Unfortunately, due to strict “parity” (the equality of economics, power and vulnerability) the collapse of the United States of America will eventually be part of this New World Order agenda. Just think of what your children and grandchildren will be looking forward to. The debt we leave to them is just the springboard to their future. The believers won’t care – for they believe that God will “End The World” before all this happens. What if God doesn’t end the World before all this happens?
Can you apply any part of this prophecy and agenda to how the United Sates of America is run today? Do you think that any of the United States of America’s recent and current Presidents have truly worked for the U.S. citizens?
Will mankind stubbornly and arrogantly use his nuclear weapons to blow his species back into the Stone Age? With a World economic infrastructure firmly in place, for those conscious enough to see, how else can this prophecy turn out?
Earth’s Future?
by
Gary DeVaney
I perceive the successful evolution of a One World Government – once the Earth’s infrastructure is reorganized and set in place.
The Judeo-Christian-Islamic “One God of Abraham” is already the planet’s One World God. Religion will eventually retreat to mere hobby-status with no power or effect on politics. Racial, tribal, religious and political significance will fade into history. We will live and operate as one Human race.
Earth’s One World Government will be secularist – run by a peace-programmed computer.
Parity / equality of power and assets will have to take place in the new divided up World so that no territory will have more power than the next. Computer shuffling of assets, resources, leaders and talent will be spread equally among all reorganized One World Governed territories.
Once the constructed infrastructure and Human birth-rate control is in place, the planet Earth may then experience peace.
Patriotism is to support the Country all the time – and the Government when it deserves it: Mark Twain
David Rockefeller, founder of the Trilateral Commission, in a private Bilderberg meeting June 1991 said: “We are grateful to the Washington Post, the New York Times, Time Magazine and other great publications whose directors have attended our meetings and respected their promise of discretion for almost forty years… It would have been impossible for us to develop our plan for the world if we had been subject to the bright lights of publicity during those years. But the world is now more sophisticated and prepared to march towards world government. The supra-national sovereignty of an intellectual elite and world bankers is surly preferable to the national auto-determination practiced in past centuries.”
David Rockefeller, Memoirs, Page 405 wrote: “For more than a century, ideological extremists at either end of the political spectrum have seized upon well-publicized incidents… to attack the Rockefeller family for the inordinate influence they claim we wield over American political and economic institutions. Some even believe we are a part of a secrete cabal working against the best interests of the United States, characterizing my family and me “internationalists” and of conspiring with others around the world to build a more integrated global political and economic structure one world, if you will. If that is the charge, I stand guilty, and I am proud of it”.
“Other than the myth of creation, what “good” did the Biblical God do for someone without hurting another?”
Get out a notepad and see if you can list just a few good things that the Biblical God did, C&V, for people without hurting some one else. Bet you can’t. If that be the case, how do you claim the Biblical God to be a “good” God?
Praising the Biblical God for being good is like praising a rapist for wearing a condom.
A powerful owner, president and CEO of a vast corporation was approached by his son, his second in command, who informed him that the employees were complaining about their contracts; that, they appealed to his father for better lives. The forceful owner ordered his son to assemble all the employees whereby he dominantly proclaimed: I shall control them! They shalt obey!
Scene: The mandatory assembly was filled to capacity, standing room only. A nervous silence filled the room as the imperious owner sternly walked in. They all stood and with zeal, applauded him at length. He intentionally allowed the applause to continue for an absurd amount of time, until he finally motioned them to be seated.
The arrogant tyrant sat on his throne and glared at the masses.
Tensions rose. It became almost unbearable for the unstable. His son sat at his right hand. Many others on his staff sat below him facing the crowd. A large security force covered the exits.
The tyrant switched on his microphone and bellowed: How many of you in this room do not believe in God? If you do not believe in God stand up! Have courage! Stand up now!
A few quickly and courageously stood; then, some more nervously rose to their feet.
He continued: If you do not believe in the one God, then there is no room for you here! By God, you are fired! Security, remove and escort those standing off my property now!
In frustration, he slipped out the secret of all tyrants. He roared: I am not God. I create Gods for you to serve and obey. If you do not obey the contracts and agreements you have signed with this corporation, you are fired! You and your children will be righteously punished financially for your arrogant disobedience to your agreements. Your sacrifice is necessary to keep my work ethic pure. If things go bad for you, don’t blame me. I am not God. Your fate will be your God’s will, not mine. Pray to your one God to deliver you. You are to have faith and believe in your God. I am ordering you right now to have faith! Believe! Your God will deliver you in a manner that serves His pleasure! Now, go back to work and complain no more. Your God is listening to your every thought and knows your every feeling. Love and sacrifice for your company, for in God’s name, it loves you.
They stood, cheered and applauded as he contemptuously walked out. The most sensitive, fearful and impressionable had to be restrained from applauding and assisted back to their work place while tears flowed down their cheeks. They just had a religious experience.
Years later the tyrant died and left a will, along with a letter of instruction to his son.
This is the essence of the letter:
Son, God was the first corporation. A corporation is a fictitious entity, which evolved from an idea, was invented and put into documented law. It, like any god, has its own rules (bylaws) and an agenda.
A corporation (a bigger god) makes up its own contracts (little personal gods) for its “chosen” individuals to agree to, sacrifice for and to obey.
I, my boy, studied the Holy Bible and its God.
I followed Moses’ model by inventing and marketing a god for people of my choosing to follow. As Moses gave rank to his soldiers, I gave contracts and agreements for my peasants to obey and to serve me. Like Moses, I promised success for success and punishment for failure. Like Moses, I always faked it by pretending to answer to a higher power. I also invented a personal god (contract) for each one of my peasants to obey. A business owner can invent numerous agreements / gods for needy people to conform to. If an employer can create 1,000 contract agreements for his employees to be faithful to and believe in, he has created 1,000 gods or personal saviors for his chosen people to sacrifice for. The believers in the Bible followed Moses’ new God to the death. We appear to be evil only to those who feel they are entitled to be us. We are their competition. We are their evil. Discriminate wisely. Fool those who feel they are “entitled” with promises and hope.
Because these believers are religiously programmed from birth that there is only one God, the business owner is off the hook for being responsible for their lives. The peasants beg for their God’s will to be done, not ours. However, while they pray to their imagined, personal God, they will loyally focus on and serve their personal agreement and the boss gets the benefit. That’s how the mechanism works. Use it as I did and prosper.
No one will ever deny that agreements and contracts should exist. We, who want to be served and compensated by others, create agreements. We use God as a triggered hypnotic model of fearful consequence for the agreements we create. Occasionally, we have to reinforce that model by imposing threats of loss. As long as they believe they need us we will have our way with them. Son, when you create an agreement, you, in essence, create a new god with its own agenda, by-laws, rules and promised benefits. You want your agenda fulfilled and your rules obeyed. Whatever agenda succeeds, that is what reality becomes. That is how you create your own reality – by inventing your own gods – which are your created agreements and contracts.
Choose wisely because people will sign the stupidest agreements and contracts. Because people want you to fulfill and obey their agreements and contracts, they have little choice but to promote this concept of God, which they would readily accept with all their gullible hearts.
Armed with this knowledge, doing away with this concept of God would be improbable, and any redefining of God would be to our disadvantage. Son, embrace this concept of God. Believers are the interchangeable human machines of industry.
Often, when they think, they break down. A believer is one who is programmed from birth to be capable of and committed to obeying his or her God. Most believers make outstanding employees for almost any authority. When contracted, they perform their agreement for their new god, which is their contract.
“Money Is The Only God Of Consequence In This World”
Ecclesiastics 10:19: Money Answers All Things
Money is this man-created god that has been growing and maturing over recorded history. In different parts of the worshiping and sacrificing world, it is known by different names (Dollar, Yen, Pound, etc). It’s all the same god like a “Trinity” and then some. Everybody civilized worships it, adores it, wants it, depends on it, prays for it and sacrifices for it. Some even kill for it. Some invest and try to buy salvation. Many lose their bankrupt souls (their financial lives). What god gets more attention, more groveling, more obedience, more reverence and better treatment than money? What god is taken more for granite than money when they have lots of it? As with other gods, the international bankers who create and control this money / god benefit most from its creation and usage. In human reality, other than money’s creators, money is no respecter of persons.
It is all-powerful. Money moves mountains and often saves lives when called upon. Often, the poor / broke, sick of spirit (without cash) die unsaved. They hadn’t properly sacrificed and weren’t with the true god / money. In Las Vegas, and other venues like inheritance, a lot of money is often obtained by “grace” (unmerited gift). It wasn’t earned. Focus on the god that pays.
My boy, embrace loyal, faithful, obedient believers to become your servants; but do not allow any natural thinkers into your ownership. They want democracy and that means trouble for you and your agenda. Your agenda must be a dictatorship to be successful! Most blind believers will never see it that way and will defend its virtue due to their categorical attachment. “Intelligence” is categorical. Many of the categorical “intelligent” become categorical “morons” for their god. Look for them. They serve well.
Love? Who loves least controls. Love no one more than your agenda, which is your god. However, make love of others and loyalty popular themes for your servants. They are already religious, ingrained with insecurity, humility, faith, fantasy and idealist feel-good. Reality appears as cynicism to the idealist. Expect it!
Pay attention son. Similar to a mini-corporation, an agreement is also a created, fictitious entity with its own rules, directions, responsibilities, accountabilities and performance standards. It exists only as long as somebody promotes, supports, finances or obeys it. When it is no longer obeyed by someone it is as if it never existed. When signed by them, it then becomes a matter of enforceable law. However, my son, the contract is the god, not you, the owner.
Always yield to the concept of God as being responsible for the believer’s fate. If or when they complain, they are not in the mood for the God scenario. Fall back to their plain bad luck, which is totally beyond your control.
It is interesting that when a corporation (often a god over many wills) fails, goes under and disappears, there is no personal liability / costs to the owner – outside the assets of the corporation. Hide your money well, my son, as I did. Many companies, like many gods in history, came and went and eventually, without anyone’s interest, history could deny they ever existed.
For an agreement, corporation or a god to exist, somebody would have to sacrifice and support it. Throughout history, believers, through fear of loss and fear of death, have supported and sacrificed for fictitious entities (gods), whereby, neither the believers nor their gods, nor their companies, nor their countries survived. Son, belief is the virtue of the work ethic. Don’t do it. Exploit it!
Should a corporation be taken to court and be defeated, the contract is what will or won’t hold up in court, not the corporate owner. Corporate owners use contracts as gods over their servants. Governments use laws as gods over their subjects. Parents use the fear of pain, denial of privileges and discipline as gods over their children. Believers cannot get away from supporting agreements, not realizing: That is their practicing concept of God.
Don’t fraternize with subordinates without a contract suiting your terms even in marriage. Know the law. The law is all that really has authority and controls man, by consequence. Always protect your assets and your agenda as there are other predators who know well the tools to take advantage of believing fools.
Think for yourself! Be self-responsible! Believe nothing! If it is not worth knowing, it is not important. For believers and other gamblers, faith and ignorance is the fascination. That is what keeps them where they are. Remember, all authority is assumed authority, and that includes yours. Assume well, use the law, but know when to cut your losses.
When you were young and I was found guilty of family abuse, your mother was granted a divorce. When she got half of what I owned at the time, I learned how effectively the law could be used to gain profits. So, like a marriage license, I used legal contract agreements that included a built-in lawsuit that I could enforce at any time, even for no reason.
Son, money buys corrupt politics and corrupt politicians. Democracy is quick change. Do not allow democracy in any business you control. Elections are auctions. Money is speech. Use your money to shut-up others who compete for power. Insist that corporations are people – to have the rights of people – to better control people. Public offices are commodities to be bought and sold. Buy the politicians who best serve you. Use your wealth and political law-enforcement will forgive your sins as you are profitable to them.
I learned that when agreements are made and broken, gods are born and die. Realistically, they are invented and they expire. Most believers are pretending to deal with the Biblical God whom they know nothing about. They are heavily programmed to have faith, not to question. This makes it easy to get them to enter contracts they know little about. Due to blind faith, they are easily exploited and cheated. Most of them take no recourse because they actually feel they are guilty of failing God. Many will remain loyal to the very god (contract) that destroys them. Mind-control (religious faith) is the drug of the gullible.
If a lawyer should point out the terms of a contract that allows believers to be hurt, with owner immunity, their eyes would just glass over with comatose, disbelief or remorse. They will continue to have faith, to believe, to learn nothing and to go look for another opportunity to be saved which opens another opportunity for them to be totally fleeced. Many are convinced they are destined for sacrifice. Have no mercy on them for they believe, by virtue, that is to be their own God-ordained lot in life, and for profit’s sake, you would not want to disrupt their belief or predictable, mind-set behavior.
Beware of philosophers for they dare to diagnose society and to expose the tools of authority. A philosophycan bring change to flexible thinkers while believers will resist or adjust any philosophy or change and remain their stubborn selves. The reason we need for them to believe in God is so they will allow us to set rules for them to obey in our world. The wise men of government and their tax systems have used: “Agree to support your God’s agenda” to fleece their peasants of their hard earned cash throughout history.
Son, I’m gone and cremated by now; but, I capitalized on the concept that allowed me to create gods to serve me and for fools to blindly obey. The masses will never forsake this agenda. If exposed to them, they would angrily deny it and each would righteously erase it from his or her mind. They will zealously fight for your right to destroy them, because inherently, they would do the same to others; if, they knew how to. They don’t want to stop or prevent the exploitation. They ultimately want to become the exploiters. The very agenda we use to exploit them, they paradoxically make a joke of, deny, yet diabolically support. The concept of God (religion) was invented to serve as mind-control, to establish the obedience, service and sacrifice of soldiers and slaves. Knowing this simple formula, only a fool would not take advantage of it and only fools would be subject to it.
When you identify those who believe best, bribe them by promoting them to leadership over others. You will have invented another mini-god that you control. Should they out-think you, set them up for termination without legal recourse. This formula provided for me maximum profits, with minimum problems while the obedient sheep settled for what they believed I sacrificed for them. Governments do it. Parents unknowingly do it. So did I knowingly do it. I was confident because I believed absolutely nothing. I was confident because I knew what I was doing and why I was doing it.
In a successful corporation, democracy does not exist. You are either on board or you are gone. The Biblical God is successful because God is a tyrant with no empathy. In a democracy – fools think that they elect their leaders to represent them – not to rule over them. Once elected, their leaders will rule over them. If you hire someone, they no longer have a vote. You pay them to be your slaves. Judeo-Christian-Islamic believers believe that they are slaves to their God. Hire those mind-set, God-fearing, religious believers. Their irrational, religious belief is the greatest gift you can take advantage of for the stealing their zealous souls. If they don’t sacrifice and serve you on your terms, slay them financially. Like the Biblical God, have no pity on their women and children.
Employment is an agreement that becomes a god who recruits you and restricts you to perform a desired action. It has assumed rules to punish you if you don’t perform. A lawsuit may take your money for non-performance. Beware of the IRS, a strange god used by other gods. When it strikes, you serve accountable time in what amounts to Hell.
All believers defend God because they want others to enter into agreements with them – that will serve them. Believers want others to obey their agreements. They also want an excuse, the right and the means to punish those others, if they don’t obey the terms of their agreement. They also invent their own gods but just don’t know it.
Without a means to enforce their contract, what power do they have to assure its satisfactory completion?
How could they provide consequence should the other party fail to perform? The god game is all authority, commitment, control, power and obedience. The gullible are the most profitable and least likely to complain when they are cheated. Beware of a thinker for you may be in for a lawsuit. Always set aside money for bribery (fines) and retain knowledgeable lawyers to ensure minimum consequences when we get caught failing to perform our agreements.
Throughout history, the fear-based believer best served the tyrant and numerically most of the Biblical God’s “chosen” experienced the lives of slaves and murdering soldiers. God’s chosen never got their promised rewards, just broken promises. Most of them, including their leader, Moses, didn’t even survive. Believers do not know that and insist, like crazy people, not to want to know. They never personally studied the Bible, never got to know its tyrannical God. I did! The Bible isn’t hesitant in projecting what its God amounts to.
God is an authority that demands for an agreement to be made and obeyed, by threat of consequence. That is why anything outside of an agreed concept concerning God cannot be agreed upon. Believers, who seek to be an authority of God, will compete and argue over the concept of God. It amounts to a power and control struggle. Let those little egos play out their genetic agenda. It is a wondrous waste of time. Should you get one of them to sign one of your agreements, he or she would become obsessed to serve it – and you.
Son, competition is a situation where you try to prevent them from doing to you exactly what you are trying to do to them. What makes it totally legal is that the agenda and its consequences have been agreed upon. You make the agenda and its rules!
The human behavior’s practicing concept of God
1. To invent an agenda, agreement or contract.
2. To establish (and assume authority over) the rules of the agreement.
3. To establish (and assume authority over) the consequences for disobedience.
4. To find a God-fearing believer to agree to, perform and obey the agreement.
On November 10th 1770, Voltaire penned: “If God did not exist, it would be necessary to invent Him.”
Son, believers are programmed to follow a god. They then invent a fantasy and find an authority they attach their ego to. Through programmed faith and commitment, they and their authority become one. Because they are to serve their God at His pleasure, they forgive Him when He fails them. Our peasants shall not be considered slaves as we employ them. Although they are needy, they are volunteers.
You shall formulate and issue to your servants laws and performance standards that they shall accept as contract agreements. Put consequences for undesirable behavior in writing and have them sign their acceptance of your terms. If they fail, they have already chosen their consequence. No agreement means no job and no food for their children. I, in turn, award them financial survival. They are not to believe they can exist without me. I zealously defended the God concept because I defended my right to make agreements that I insisted others fulfill, perform and obey. I professed to believe in God because I promoted and supported the gods (agreements) I invented.
My son, we are not gods. We invent gods to do our bidding – because without a sense of fearful, painful and consequential loss, we are nothing to be reckoned with.
Praise and punishment are the tools for dog training. They shall obey and profit us or they shall accept punishment and / or dismissal. You shall be careful to compensate them only at the level of dependent survival for their labor. For certain positions, should someone procure more profit for you than do others, you shall reward them with a small portion of that profit. Tell them one thing while doing another; for, they prefer to have faith and belief to knowledge or fact.
Be a commercial. In line with their faith, exaggerate their fantasies and minimize their reality. They, not you, shall create production pressures for others. Those, who cannot withstand will fail and suffer. That alone motivates others. Its all God’s will, not yours. Again, some will work harder and perform better than others. You shall compensate the best somewhat better than the others.
When others can do what your best can do, reduce the compensation and keep more of the profits. Always make them compete harder. When you are done with them, there should be nothing left. It is better their energies be used to profit you than someone else. Supervise your servants for some are thinkers, not doers. Some are genetically lazy. Your mind-controlled, mind-set believers are your best dutiful doers. Constantly harp on integrity, loyalty and self-image, for these tactics enhance the image of the agenda. Your loyal believers become your commercial. Keep God heavily imprinted on their minds. For your lesser thinking laborers, stress discipline, obedience, family, God and country. Higher volunteer retention also leads to enhanced profitability. But, always fire them before they fire you as an employer.
Personal beliefs amount to a blend of fact and fiction. For those who think (are wise, in the know) it tends to expose the believer’s personal vulnerabilities and agendas. It measures how far the believer will buy into gullible absurdity for exploitation purposes. Believers, through the addiction of faith, have lost the sense to recognize exploitation. Many actually have a burning desire to become a sacrifice.
Recognize them, use them and exploit them, for if you don’t, the opportunity will be lost to another predator. You be the best predator out there! I was! Believers constantly go to churches and temples to re-enforce their faith that a super-natural being is looking out for them. It maintains their mind-control. It is important you don’t identify with this supernatural being as being you. You do not want any responsibility for their fate. They will misread your tact and declare you as being humble. Then, when their disappointment hits, you can humbly remind them that it’s between them and God. With a true believer, you are safely out of the loop.
Belief is a state of hypnosis, a power of suggestion. Believers are hypnotized and are already gambling for what they believe are eternal stakes. Don’t break the hypnosis! They, hopefully, will handle their loses as sacrificial sheep with minimal complaint. They seek God to restrict their evil agendas in favor of His service and readily accept whatever God befalls upon them. It is all a matter of mind-control faith. Exploit it and benefit!
My boy, because believers are programmed and disciplined not to think, your knowledge of their tiny worlds and limited agendas is of much significance and importance. They crave, as we all do, for power and profit over people which is the definition of politics; but, they being God-fearing, lack the courage necessary to assume the authority to achieve it. Our employee’s desire to serve and please us must become an addiction to last. Most will substitute alcohol and drugs to handle their frustrated importance cravings.
Privately, not publicly, allow your peasants their alcohol and drug outlets so that they can take out their frustrations and anger upon themselves and their families rather than bothering you. By the way, smokers are doers. They have to constantly be doing something. Get their attention and exploit them. They will also die younger so you can replace them with new servants for lesser wages. Identify and eliminate useless eaters immediately.
Understand that most behave only a cut above monkey mind.
You have to know how to align to and promote the god model that has been dropped into our lap. They feared me, obeyed me and I benefited! By this formula, I assumed authority, created an agenda and as a result, held power and profit over my people. My successful corporation is proof that in my time, I, as all great tyrants, impregnated history with my own agenda and conceived a slice of reality in my own image. I used “the one true God” and many personal gods to do my bidding. Son, don’t ever forsake this practicing concept of God. It can only help you compete.
In my view, in the fictional parable, The Garden of Eden, God did not want Adam and Eve to eat of the fruit of knowledge because God did not want to be exposed for the tyrant that He was. Mind-controlled, mind-set believers righteously avoid knowledge and are wholly incapable of questioning themselves or their beliefs. Tyranny succeeds, because no one can defeat what he or she defends. Denial is their righteously indignant banner.
You have a choice, my son, to be wise or to believe. But, remember, only those who set the agenda, its rules and play the game best, succeed!
Gary DeVaney: “Only someone – who is totally addicted to power, wealth and importance – could want a second term as the President of the United States of America.”
Q: Can you tell me of your earliest feelings about the Commander-in-chief?
As a child, I was told of him by many who strangely feared and respected him.
Q: Did your superiors approve of your feelings toward him?
I never gave them any reason not to.
Q: What did your privately feel?
I was the commander’s favorite.
Q: What did you feel when anyone questioned or was negative toward the commander?
I felt anger because that questioned my commitment, authority and support of him. They were negative, disrespectful and disobedient towards him and me. I felt it was my responsibility to discipline them on his and my own behalf.
Q: Who authorized you to do that?
He did? Everybody is trying to get to where I am. It’s the proper and popular thing to do.
Q: Would you discipline an individual by any means – even illegal means to correct him?
No! Nothing is illegal when serving the commander. He is the law.
Q: What are your duties to protect the commander?
To stand up to any force or threat – foreign and domestic – so that the commander’s will could be fulfilled.
Q: What if the commander told you to murder anyone who he viewed to be against him?
My job is to do what I am told and to follow orders.
Q: What if those orders are illegal orders.
This commander-in-chief is the law. I couldn’t be wrong or prosecuted for following his wishes or his orders. Complaints are enemies and are to be eliminated so to fulfill his pleasure. I would be a hero to eliminate any adversary he chooses.
Q: And, you embrace this agenda?
I take pride in, fantasize about, train for, pray about and practice eliminating any and all adversaries he personally orders and directs me to look for. I live for it! I am fighting for my father, the creator, my commander-in-chief and for all of mankind worthy of our agenda.
Q: Wouldn’t you be destroying much of mankind in the process?
Our agenda is to purify mankind and to reduce them to only the commander’s chosen. It is my job to do that by any and all means or to sacrifice myself in trying. I will get my rewards in the next life as well as this life and I will be with him forever without all these undesirables.
I can’t wait to watch them all go down in flames of Hell-Fire! The commander and I will kick butt for eternity.
Q: Did you ever question the morality of your actions?
As a soldier I am taught to believe, have faith and to fight against those who don’t obey the commander. The better I follow and obey his will the quicker and higher my command in the next life will be over others who believe. Know this – if they defy his will – they defy my will. I will not tolerate that. They must be defeated, humbled, converted or destroyed. Mine is not to question why – mine is to do or die. Our cause cannot be overcome.
Q: Did you ever waver?
Of course! I’m human. He told me that I was chosen, to have faith and that he was in control. He said that with my help his will is getting done. The harvest is close.
Q: If there is anything more discriminatory or prejudice than religion, I haven’t heard it. Don’t you have a conscience? Don’t you see that as cruel and evil?
No! You are the one without a conscience. I’m a committed believer. I believe the same as most of the people that I allow around me. They have faith! I objectively look past our plight and then somehow it seems fair. For some, it only doesn’t seem fair when they experienced pain. The commander needs us to destroy the disobedient – his adversaries.
We are to obey and sacrifice for his will and not seek rewards in this life although they are abundant.
Q: Your feelings tell you that?
Yes.
Q: You couldn’t escape your feelings?
No. Don’t care to. Don’t want to. They keep me strong. We are more powerful because we are on his side – and there are only a few of us and a lot of those non-worshiping, non-cooperative, non-obedient, evil people. They have to change or they have to go. That is his will. Actually, he will have his way because he has already chosen who he wants. To stand up for the commander is an honor reserved for his true chosen few. I am one of those chosen.
Q: How do you know?
Now, you’re making me mad! I just know it and I’ll take behind the wood-shed anyone who says different – we’ll, me and my army.
Q: What would it take for you to lose your compulsion to serve the commander?
That will never happen.
Q: You can’t be wrong?
Oh yes! I can be wrong and I repent! He can’t be wrong and as long as I have faith, believe and try to serve him, right or wrong, he will take care of me.
I enjoy repenting to him because after all that my commander has done, I’m sure he is amused about what little I have to repent about by comparison. Hitler had more to repent about than I do – but, I’m catching up. Give me time.
Q: Hitler murdered people who he deemed undeserving of life. Hitler killed many due to their race. Pol Pot murdered the more progressive and learned people of his country to reduce competition to his will.
Pol Pot wanted his soldiers to murder every man, woman and child who wore watches or glasses. He killed the teachers and technical people and saved the laborers and slaves. Would you do that to serve like agendas for this commander? Those commanders were weak, small and wrong. My commander is strong, right and correct. His will is being done at any cost. The ones he doesn’t wipe off the face of the Earth he will make suffer for eternity while I bask in paradise. Praise the commander. Besides, even if those commanders were evil, he used them to eliminate people he couldn’t stand. He is the commander. He can do whatever he wants to you, to me and anyone else he wants to. As when the commander killed all the first-born babies of Egypt, he has the right because he is the commander. We, who are duty-bound, do his bidding to accomplish his will to fulfill his pleasure, whatever it is.
Pol Pot
Q: Didn’t the Nuremberg trials prove that soldiers could not commit heinous crimes under the plea that: “I was only following orders.”
Yes, but they were following flawed, weak men. I follow the commander.
Q: Isn’t a heinous, evil, vile deed what it is regardless of who is doing it?
No, not when the commander wishes it!
Q: Is the commander-in-chief, in your opinion, above the law?
No! The way I see it, the commander is the law. You fool with the commander-in-chief and you too will be severely punished – if not by me then by him at a later time.
Q: Is your agenda and feeling based on free-will or are you programmed to feel and behave this way?
Free-will! I am free! I’m no puppet! You are the slave! You sir, are not going to be one with the commander. I wouldn’t want to be where you are going. Become one of the troops in my command and I, and my commander, will take care of you. I’ll discipline you and put you through a rough time. You will feel much better about everything. We will cheer when those who don’t measure up fall. Trust me! Believe me! You’ll be much better off.
Q: Do you agree with the agenda of destroying people for your commander who disagree with your agenda of destroying people for the commander?
Of course! He is my commander. He is good and right. I will serve him to the death – mine or others.
Q: Are you, in your mind, in the military and waging war on others?
Yes! I am high ranking in my commander’s service – and also in reality!
Q: What if your family disagrees with this agenda?
That can’t and that won’t happen. But, if it did, the commander will take care of them in his own wisdom. I’m on his side. If you have a rotten family-member let him go his way. Be warned, if you don’t believe me, you don’t believe the commander and he will take care of you for that.
Q: Hasn’t this same egocentric agenda gone on for thousands of years?
Yes, human beings are stubborn and the commander has to remind every generation who is boss. When the final harvest comes, which is close, that is when the score is tallied. I sir, pledge to duty, honor and country and with honor it is my duty to conform the entire world to the commander’s will and to eliminate and destroy all who oppose his will.
Q: Aren’t people who are inventing, evolving, diversifying and experimenting just looking for a better world?
If the commander wanted them to have a better world, he would have issued it to them. He conditionally promises to provide a better world for those who conform, worship and obey him – in the next world. It’s His feelings that are important. This world is just a test to see who he wants in his next world to serve him. You’d best love the commander-in-chief! He needs your love. He wants your love. It makes his day.
Q: But Sir. You are George W. Bush, the Commander-In-Chief of the United States of America, the most powerful nation on Earth. What is your real agenda?
I expect – NO – I demand that the “faith-based” believers of the USA obey, serve, sacrifice for and love me for my pleasure just as I zealously do for my Commander-In-Chief.
Q: You promote “faith-based initiatives” – don’t you?
Of course! The more “blind faith” you have – the more power you give to what you have faith in. Fortunately, I am the authority who gets the benefit when people have faith in God. If you can get people to believe in God – then any “assumed authority” can easily step in to be served on his terms. It’s been this way for human beings since the beginning of human history.
We will convert the World and assist God and myself of being rid of undesirables. The Bible I believe in orders it. Thank you and God bless.
Q: Sir! One more question! Do you have any conscience concerning the 1,000,000 people who have died and / or have been physically and mentally damaged due to your pre-emptive war on Iraq?
We are who we are. They were who they were. God is on our side and we do His will. On both sides, they’re attitudes should be to die with a smile. Good day.
Q: To the rest of the World, who serves as “the standard of sanity” of the United States but the President?
Q: Who, in the rest of the World, sees the United States as sane today?
The Commander-In-Chief
Rank Has Its Privileges
It’s M.I.A.
Seeking A Weapon of Ass Destruction
Looking for the V.P.
“You Look – I’m Tired”
“You’re Cuter With Your Glasses Off.”
3-Way on the Steps
Barack Obama was then elected President of The United States of America.
When PresidentBarack Obama was asked if he would prosecute former PresidentGeorge W. Bush and his Vice PresidentDick Cheney for attacking Iraq, which was an innocent country that they both accused of attacking the World Trade Center on 9-11, 2001, using torture on prisoners and lying to the World to start the war, Obama said that he was “looking forward and not looking back”. GeorgeW.Bushkilled and injured well over a million Iraqis. Because of Barack Obama, George W.Bush and Dick Cheney would get off for their murderous and torturous war-crimes. What if this “looking forward” precedent was used in all criminal court cases?
President Barack Obama has now enhanced his own private global war on terrorism by issuing a “license to kill” to selected, murderous troops and technicians. Authority worshippers, just like in the case of the Biblical God, believe in, allow, support, promote and finance these evil actions to take place.
Much of the World views the USA to be the main, evil terrorist of the World – just like the Biblical God was.
Good Human Beings do not enjoy speaking negative things against other people nor against their God. We do enjoy speaking positive things about people and things of value. And yet, no man, no servant of God is above reproach – and by C&V documentation – neither is the Biblical God above reproach. We can personally have an inner peace that what we have done was what we should have done. Something needs to be done to wake mankind up before mankind fulfills the Bible’s voodoo prophesies and destroys itself.
Exodus 7:3-5 God said to Moses: I will make Pharaoh obstinate (harden his heart: KJV) and despite my plagues, he will not listen to you. I will take My (new) Israelite army out of Egypt. I will plague the Egyptians so that they all may learn that I am God.
These selected C&Vs are paraphrased as there are taken from the Torah, KJV and the Catholic versions. All 3 versions sum up the same story.
1. God has Moses demand Pharaoh release the Israelites.
Moses Demanded Pharaoh Release The Israelites.
2. God constantly makes Pharaoh obstinate so to refuse and disobey Moses.
3. God then sends the Egyptians 10 separate plagues as punishment for disobeying Moses’ and God’s orders.
4. God’s 10th plague murders all of Egypt’s firstborn for Pharaoh’s disobedience.
God’s egocentric motive for all this pain, suffering and murder is to teach the Egyptians and the Israelites that He is God. God is making these Israelites His personal army with the intention use them to kill other human beings so to steal their lands.
This Biblical God is the evil, murderous tyrant that they either must serve – or they must die.
This “unchanging”, monstrous Biblical God did evolve to create “The New Testament” which added ETERNAL TORMENT to your fate – should you fail to obey God. How do you know that this insane God doesn’t force you to disobey Him so that He can give you a miserable life, kill you and then roast you for eternity? Blasphemous words, you might say? Let’s see if your Holy Bible documents such a possibility.
1. Exodus 7:20-21 The river changed into blood. The fish died.
The River Changed Into Blood
Exodus 7:22 God made Pharaoh remain obstinate as the Lord had said. (In Ex 7:3-5)
What? Ok. Let it sink in. God made Pharaoh obstinate so that God could torture and murder the Egyptians. God’s motive was to let everybody know who was God around there. The Biblical God loves to create God-fearing people – and God intimidates them for His control.
2. Exodus 8:1-10 Aaron / God brought frogs upon the Egyptian people and their land and the (guilty) frogs died and stank.
Frogs Died & Stank
Exodus 8:11 Pharaoh was still stubborn as God had scripted. (In Ex 7:3-5).
3. Exodus 8:12 God brought lice upon the Egyptian people and their animals.
God Brought Lice Upon People & Animals
Exodus 8:15 Pharaoh remained stubborn.
No decent human being wants God to make people stubborn so that He can punish them.
4. Exodus 8:17 God infested swarms of flies upon the people of Egypt.
God Infested Flies On People
Exodus 8:28 But, once more, Pharaoh became obdurate and would not let the people go. Catholic
5. Exodus 9:6 God killed all the livestock of Egypt; none of Israel.
God Killed All The Livestock Of Egypt
Some Judeo-Christian (protect God at all cost) zealots have actually claimed that those poor, dumb animals were sinful too.
Exodus 9:7 Pharaoh was still obstinate.
Did God cast an evil spell of obstinacy over Pharaoh? Aren’t “evil” entities the ones who casts evil spells?
Who God? Evil? That’s impossible, you say?
1st Samuel 18:10-11 An evil spirit from God came over Saul who missed David with a spear when he tried to nail him to the wall.
Did “God’s spells” evolve into “the gospels”?
Some portions of the Bible claim that God is a good God. However, other portions of the Bible do notdepict God to be a good God.
6. Exodus 9:10 God caused festering boils on man and beast.
God Caused Festering Boils On Man & Beast
And, you wonder what makes the Biblical God’s day.
Exodus 9:12 (Torah verbatim) Now, it was God who made Pharaoh obstinate. He would not listen to Moses just as God had predicted.
Doesn’t this re-confirm what God told Moses in Exodus 7:3-5?
Exodus 9:27-28 Pharaoh cried: I’m guilty, God is just. We have had enough. I, and my subjects, have been wrong, we have sinned. I will let you go!
Behold! Exodus 9:27-28 documents that Pharaoh did agree to let the Israelites go after the 6th plague! What could change his mind? If God forced Pharaoh to again change his mind and become obstinate so that God could further punish and murder innocent people, what kind of evil monster is this God?
Knowing what the Biblical God is doing here, do you still consider God to be just and fair? Would you still mindlessly claim that “God is perfect, good, just and fair” out of fear of this God?
7. Exodus 9:23-25 God murdered, by hail, every man and animal that was outdoors.
God Killed By Hail Every Man & Animal Outdoors
Exodus 9:34-35 Pharaoh became stubborn, yet again, as God had foretold. (In Ex 7:3-5).
Exodus 10:1-2 God said to Moses: I have made Pharaoh and his servants stubborn so I may do what I have done. You will be able to tell your children how I made fools out of the Egyptians. You will then fully realize that I am God.
Sorry ye believers and defenders, but the Torah, Catholic and King James Versions all consistently show this Biblical God to be one very sick and insane puppy.
8. Exodus 10:12-19 God covered the land of Egypt with locust. God drowned all the locust.
God Covered The Land Of Egypt With Locust
Exodus 10:20 God made Pharaoh obstinate, so he would not let the Israelites go.
9. Exodus 10:21-22 Magic: Three days of thick darkness.
Three Days Of Thick Darkness
Exodus 10:27 God again, made Pharaoh obstinate so that he would not let them go.
Exodus 11:4-5 Moses said: Every first-born of this land shall die from the first-born of Pharaoh to the first-born of the slave-girl in the hand-mill.
What?
What moral or legal responsibility does a first-born baby and his mother have concerning God’s forcing Pharaoh to disobey Him? Why should they be punished and suffer due to God’s insane, egocentric, murderous and pre-planned agenda?
How “just and fair” do you now claim that the Biblical God is? Can new information and freshthinking replace any mind-set belief that is in you? Is all this Bible C&V evidence lost to your logic, reason and your sense of right and wrong?
Redundantly, what specifically did that Egyptian first-born son or his mother do to make the Biblical God so evil? If you were this God, would you murder all the Egyptian firstborn? If your answer is NO – how can you worship, promote, support and finance such a character?
In your value system, by designing and executing this cruel agenda, how does the unchanging Biblical God prove to be a God of good, fairness, love and justice?
What kind of evil agenda or model is God trying to teach humanity?
What is God’s “moral” in this case? How tyrannical can evil be?
God inflicted 10 plagues, including murder, to unfairly punish all the Egyptians.
Exodus 12:12 God proclaimed: I will murder every first-born in Egypt, man and beast.
10. Exodus 12:29-30 God murders all the first-born of all Egyptians.
God Killed Every First-Born In Egypt – Man & Beast
Well, there you have it.
You continue to worship, promote, support and finance this Biblical God. At least now you knowwhat you are worshipping, promoting, supporting and financing.
Genesis 5:5 Adam died at 930 years of age. *Torah table.
Genesis 5:8 Seth died at 912 years of age.
Genesis 5:11 Enosh died at 905 years of age.
Genesis 5:14 Kenan died at 910 years of age.
Genesis 5:17 Mahalalel died at 895 years of age.
Genesis 5:20 Yered died at 962 years of age.
Genesis 5:23 Enoch died at 365 years of age.
Genesis 5:27 Methuselah died at 969 years of age. (Oldest)
Genesis 5:31 Lamech died at 777 years of age.
Trivia: Noah died at 950 years of age.
Shem died at 600 years of age.
Terach died at 205 years of age.
Abraham died at 175 years of age.
Isaac died at 180 years of age.
Jacob died at 147 years of age.
Moses died at 120 years of age.
Genesis 5:24 Enoch walked with God and he was not; for God took him. KJV
BN: Enoch walked with God implies that Enoch did not die like Elijah did not die in Kings 2:11.
Do you really believe that Enoch and Elijah went to Heaven without dying?
Hebrews 11:5 By faith Enoch was taken so that he should not see death… Catholic
Enoch Never Died?
Conversion / Belief: To pour your words into another’s ears until those words start coming out of his or her mouth.
This work seeks no converts nor believers. It encourages each Human Being, when exposed to facts, to think for himself or herself. Why let others do your thinking for you?
In scholarship – you are not graded on what you believe – but on what you know.
Psalms 95:3 For the LORD is a great God, and a great King above all gods.
Alphabetical Bible C&V Listings:
Acts 7:40-43 Make us gods to go before us: and offered sacrifice unto the idol, and gave them up to worship the host of heaven; Yea, ye took up the tabernacle of Moloch, and the star of your god Remphan,
Remphan
Acts 14:11-12 The gods are come down to us in the likeness of men. And they called Barnabas, Jupiter; and Paul, Mercurius…
Jupiter Mercurius
Acts 17:18-23 Then certain philosophers of the Epicureans, and of the Stoicks, encountered him. And some said, What will this babbler say? Other some, He seemeth to be a setter forth of strange gods. Because he preached unto them Jesus, and the resurrection. I found an altar with this inscription, to the unknown god. According to Erasmus in The Praise Of Folly, the inscription actually said : To the gods of Asia, Europe, and Africa, to all foreign and unknown gods.
Acts 19:24-35 Demetrius, a silversmith, which Diana made silver shrines for, the temple of the great goddess Diana should be despised, they were full of wrath, and cried out, saying, Great is Diana of the Ephesians. all with one voice about the space of two hours cried out, Great is Diana of the Ephesians. the city of the Ephesians is a worshipper of the great goddess Diana, and of the image which fell down from Jupiter?
Goddess Diana Of The Hunt Diana Roman Mythology Goddess Of The Moon
Amos 5:26 Succoth is the name of a place, but here it seems to have been interpreted as a synonym for Moloch.
I Chronicles 5:25 And went a whoring after the gods of the people of the land…
I Chronicles 10:10 And they put his armor in the house of their gods, and fastened his head in the temple of Dagon.
I Chronicles 14:12 And when they had left their gods there…
I Chronicles 16:25-26 For great is the Lord, and greatly to be praised: he also is to be feared above all gods. For all the gods of the people are idols…
II Chronicles 2:5 For great is our God above all gods.
II Chronicles 7:19-22 And shall go and serve other gods, and worship them; and laid hold on other gods, and worshipped them, and served them…
II Chronicles 13:8-9 And there are with your golden calves, which Jeroboam made you for gods. The same may be a priest of them that are no gods.
Golden Calf
II Chronicles 14:3-5 KJV For he took away the altars of the strange gods, and the high places, and brake down the images, and cut down the groves: Also he took away out of all the cities of Judah the high places and the images…
II Chronicles 15:16 KJV He removed her from being queen, because she had made an idol in a grove. And Asa cut down her idol, and stamped it, and burnt it…
II Chronicles 17:3-6 KJV And sought not unto Baalim; moreover he took away the high places and groves out of Judah.
II Chronicles 23:17 Then all the people went to the house of Baal, and slew Mattan the priest of Baal before the altars.
II Chronicles 24:7-18 KJV And also all the dedicated things of the house of the Lord did they bestow upon Baalim and served groves and idols…
II Chronicles 25:14-20 That he brought the gods of the children of Seir, and set them up to be his gods, and bowed down himself before them, and burned incense unto them. Why hast thou sought after the gods of the people, because they sought after the gods of Edom.
Edom Today
II Chronicles 28:2-25 And made also molten images for Baalim. For he sacrificed unto the gods of Damascus, which smote him: and he said, Because the gods of the kings of Syria help them, therefore will I sacrifice to them, he made high places to burn incense unto other gods…
II Chronicles 31:1 KJV And brake the images in pieces, and cut down the groves, and threw down the high places and the altars…
II Chronicles 32:13-19 Were the gods of the nations of those lands any ways able to deliver their lands out of mine hand? Who was there among all the gods of those nations that my father’s utterly destroyed as the gods of the nations of other lands have not delivered their people out of mine hand, as against the gods of the people of the earth, which were the work of the hands of man.
II Chronicles 33:3-19 KJV For he built again the high places which Hezekiah his father had broken down, and he reared up altars for Baalim, and made groves, and worshipped all the host of heaven, and served them. Also he built altars in the house of the Lord, And he built altars for all the host of heaven in the two courts of the house of the Lord. And he caused his children to pass through the fire in the valley of the son of Hinnom: also he observed times, and used enchantments, and used witchcraft, and dealt with a familiar spirit, and with wizards:
Hezekiah
And he set a carved image, the idol which he had made, in the house of God, And he took away the strange gods, and the idol out of the house of the Lord, and all the altars that he had built in the mount of the house of the Lord, Nevertheless the people did sacrifice still in the high places, yet unto the Lord their God only. and the places wherein he built high places, and set up groves and graven images…
II Chronicles 34:3-25 KJV Began to purge Judah and Jerusalem from the high places, and the groves, and the carved images, and the molten images. And they brake down the altars of Baalim in his presence; and the images, that were on high above them, he cut down; and the groves, and the carved images, and the molten images, And when he had broken down the altars and the groves, and had beaten the graven images into powder, and cut down all the idols and have burned incense unto other gods…
I Corinthians 8:5 For though there be that are called gods, whether in heaven or in earth, (as there be gods many, and lords many)
Daniel 2:11-47 And there is none other that can shew it before the king, except the gods, whose dwelling is not with flesh. That your God is a God of gods…
Daniel 3:12-18 They serve not thy gods, nor worship the golden image which thou hast set up. do not ye serve my gods, nor worship the golden image which I have set up? that we will not serve thy gods, nor worship the golden image which thou hast set up.
Daniel 4:8-18 Whose name was Belteshazzar, according to the name of my God, and in whom is the spirit of the holy gods: know that the spirit of the holy gods is in thee, for the spirit of the holy gods is in thee.
Belteshazzar
Daniel 5:4-23 And praised the gods of gold, and of silver, of brass, of iron, of wood, and of stone. There is a man in thy kingdom, in whom is the spirit of the holy gods; and in the days of thy father light and understanding and wisdom, like the wisdom of the gods, I have even heard of thee, that the spirit of the gods is in thee, and thou hast praised the gods of silver, and gold, of brass, iron, wood, and stone…
Daniel 11:8-36 And shall also carry captives into Egypt their gods, and shall speak marvelous things against the God of gods…
Deuteronomy 4:3-28 Your eyes have seen what the Lord did because of Baalpeor: for all the men that followed Baalpeor, And there ye shall serve gods, the work of men’s hands, wood and stone, which neither see, nor hear, nor eat, nor smell.
Deuteronomy 5:7-9 Thou shalt have none other gods before me. Thou shalt not make thee any graven image, or any likeness of anything that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the waters beneath the earth: Thou shalt not bow down thyself unto them, nor serve them…
Deuteronomy 6:14 Ye shall not go after other gods, of the gods of the people which are round about you…
Deuteronomy 7:4-24 KJV That they may serve other gods: ye shall destroy their altars, and break down their images, and cut down their groves, and burn their graven images with fire. Neither shalt thou serve their gods; The graven images of their gods shall ye burn with fire…
The Burning Of Other Gods
Deuteronomy 8:19 And walk after other gods, and serve them, and worship them…
Deuteronomy 10:17 For the Lord your God is God of gods, and Lord of lords, a great God…
Deuteronomy 11:16-28 And ye turn aside, and serve other gods, and worship them; to go after other gods, which ye have not known.
Deuteronomy 12:2-31 KJV Ye shall utterly destroy all the places, wherein the nations which ye shall possess served their gods, upon the high mountains, and upon the hills, and under every green tree: And ye shall overthrow their altars, and break their pillars, and burn their groves with fire; and ye shall hew down the graven images of their gods, and destroy the names of them out of that place. and that thou enquire not after their gods, saying, How did these nations serve their gods? have they done unto their gods; for even their sons and their daughters they have burnt in the fire to their gods.
Deuteronomy 13:2-13 Let us go after other gods, which thou hast not known, and let us serve them; Let us go and serve other gods, which thou hast not known, of the gods of the people which are round about you, Let us go and serve other gods, which ye have not known…
Deuteronomy 16:21-22 KJV Thou shalt not plant thee a grove of any trees near unto the altar of the Lord thy God, which thou shalt make thee. Neither shalt thou set thee up any image; which the Lord thy God hateth.
Deuteronomy 17:3 Served other gods, and worshipped them, either the sun, or moon, or any of the host of heaven,
Deuteronomy 18:20 Or that shall speak in the name of other gods…
Deuteronomy 20:18 To do after all their abominations, which they have done unto their gods…
Deuteronomy 28:14-64 To go after other gods to serve them. and there shalt thou serve other gods, wood and stone. and there thou shalt serve other gods, which neither thou nor thy fathers have known, even wood and stone.
Deuteronomy 29:18-26 To go and serve the gods of these nations; For they went and served other gods, and worshipped them, gods whom they knew not…
Deuteronomy 30:17 But shalt be drawn away, and worship other gods, and serve them…
Deuteronomy 31:16-20 And go a whoring after the gods of the strangers of the land, in that they are turned unto other gods. then will they turn unto other gods…
Deuteronomy 32:16-37 They provoked him to jealousy with strange gods, with abominations provoked they him to anger. They sacrificed unto devils [Shedim], not to God; to gods whom they knew not, to new gods that came newly up, Where are their gods, their rock in whom they trusted…
Abominations
Exodus 12:12 And against all the gods of Egypt I will execute judgment…
Exodus 15:11 Who is like unto thee, O Lord, among the gods?
Exodus 18:11 Now I know that the Lord is greater than all gods…
Exodus 20:3-23 Thou shalt have no other gods before me. Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth. Thou shalt not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them: Ye shall not make with me gods of silver, neither shall ye make unto you gods of gold.
Exodus 22:20-28 He that sacrificeth unto any god, save unto the Lord only, he shall be utterly destroyed. Thou shalt not revile the gods…
Exodus 23:13-33 KJV And make no mention of the name of other gods, Thou shalt not bow down to their gods, nor serve them, nor do after their works: but thou shalt utterly overthrow them, and quite break down their images. Thou shalt make no covenant with them, nor with their gods. for if thou serve their gods, it will surely be a snare unto thee.
Exodus 32:1-31 Up, make us gods, which shall go before us; These be thy gods, O Israel, which brought thee up out of the land of Egypt. These be thy gods, O Israel, which have brought thee up out of the land of Egypt. Make us gods, which shall go before us: and have made them gods of gold.
Exodus 34:13-17 KJV But ye shall destroy their altars, break their images, and cut down their groves: and they go a whoring after their gods, and do sacrifice unto their gods, and their daughters go a whoring after their gods, and make thy sons go a whoring after their gods. Thou shalt make thee no molten gods.
Ezekiel 8:14 There sat women weeping for Tammuz.
Women Weeping For Tammuz
Ezekiel 20:8 They did not every man cast away the abominations of their eyes, neither did they forsake the idols of Egypt…
Ezra 1:7 And had put them in the house of his gods…
Ezra 9:1 The people of Israel, and the priests, and the Levites, have not separated themselves from the people of the lands, doing according to their abominations, even of the Canaanites, the Hittites, the Perizzites, the Jebusites, the Ammonites, the Moabites, the Egyptians, and the Amorites.
Galatians 4:8 Ye did service unto them which by nature are no gods.
Genesis 3:5 Then your eyes shall be opened, and ye shall be as gods, knowing good and evil.
Genesis 31:19-52 Considering that teraphim were phallic idols, was Rachel having a good time when she sat on them to prevent them being found by Laban? And Rachel had stolen the images that were her father’s. yet wherefore hast thou stolen my gods? With whomsoever thou findest thy gods, let him not live: Now Rachel had taken the images, and put them in the camel’s furniture, and sat upon them. And he searched but found not the images.
Genesis 35:2-4 Put away the strange gods that are among you, and be clean, and change your garments: And they gave unto Jacob all the strange gods which were in their hand, and all their earrings which were in their ears; and Jacob hid them under the oak…
Hiding Other Gods Under The Oak Tree
Hosea 2:8-17 The final part here is stating that God was originally called Baalim (itself a title simply meaning Lord ) but no longer wished to be known by that name, except to complicate matters it’s also Husband , which is what Ishi means.
KJV which they prepared for Baal. And I will visit upon her the days of Baalim that thou shalt call me Ishi; and shalt call me no more Baali. For I will take away the names of Baalim out of her mouth, and they shall no more be remembered by their name.
Hosea 3:1-4 Who look to other gods, and love flagons of wine.
Hosea 4:12-19 For the spirit of whoredoms hath caused them to err, and they have gone a whoring from under their God. They sacrifice upon the tops of the mountains, and burn incense upon the hills, under oaks and poplars and elms, because the shadow thereof is good: therefore your daughters shall commit whoredom, and your spouses shall commit adultery. and they sacrifice with harlots: Ephraim is joined to idols: let him alone. they have committed whoredom continually: her rulers with shame do love, and they shall be ashamed because of their sacrifices. Whoring & adultery in the sense of worshipping other gods (in this case Kadesh).
Hosea 9:10 But they went to Baalpeor,
Hosea 10:1 According to the multitude of his fruit he hath increased the altars; according to the goodness of his land they have made goodly images.
Hosea 11:2 KJV They sacrificed unto Baalim, and burned incense to graven images.
Incense
Hosea 14:3 Ye are our gods: for in thee the fatherless findeth mercy.
Isaiah 3:18 KJV In that day the Lord will take away the bravery of their tinkling ornaments about their feet, and their cauls, and their round tires like the moon…
Isaiah 17:8 KJV And he shall not look to the altars, the work of his hands, neither shall respect that which his fingers have made, either the groves, or the images.
Isaiah 19:19 In that day shall there be an altar to the Lord in the midst of the land of Egypt, and a pillar at the border thereof to the Lord.
Isaiah 21:9 Babylon is fallen, is fallen; and all the graven images of her gods he hath broken unto the ground.
Isaiah 26:14-19 KJV They are dead, they shall not live; they are deceased, they shall not rise: Awake and sing, ye that dwell in dust: for thy dew is as the dew of herbs, and the earth shall cast out the dead.
Isaiah 27:9 KJV When he maketh all the stones of the altar as chalkstones that are beaten in sunder, the groves and images shall not stand up.
Isaiah 36:18-20 Hath any of the gods of the nations delivered his land out of the hand of the king of Assyria? Where are the gods of Hamath and Arphad? where are the gods of Sepharvaim? and have they delivered Samaria out of my hand? Who are they among all the gods of these lands…?
King Of Assyria
Isaiah 37:12-38 Have the gods of the nations delivered them which my fathers have destroyed, And have cast their gods into the fire: for they were no gods, but the work of men’s hands, wood and stone: as he was worshipping in the house of Nisroch his god, ( 2 Kings 19:37)
Isaiah 41:23 Shew the things that are to come hereafter, that we may know that ye are gods…
Isaish 42:17 That trust in graven images, that say to the molten images, Ye are our gods.
Isaiah 46:1 Bel boweth down, Nebo stoopeth, their idols were upon the beasts, and upon the cattle:
Isaiah 51:9 Art thou not it that hath cut Rahab, and wounded the dragon?
In the Apocrapha (books that did NOT make the Bible cut) the book of Jasher states:
Jasher 9:7-8 And Terah with all his household were then the first of those that served gods of wood and stone. And Terah had twelve gods of large size, made of wood and stone, after the twelve months of the year, and he served each one monthly, and every month Terah would bring his meat offering and drink offering to his gods; thus did Terah all the days.
Jasher 29:15 And they sacrificed and burnt incense to the Baalim…
Who was Terah? Terah was Abraham’s father and Terah worshipped idols.
Jeremiah 1:16 And have burned incense unto other gods, and worshipped the works of their own hands.
Worshipping Idols
Jeremiah 2:8-28 And the prophets prophesied by Baal, hath a nation changed their gods, which are yet no gods? I have not gone after Baalim? But where are thy gods that thou hast made thee? For according to the number of thy cities are thy gods…
Jeremiah 5:7-19 And sworn by them that are no gods: and served strange gods in your land…
Jeremiah 7:6-31 Neither walk after other gods to your hurt: and burn incense unto Baal, and walk after other gods whom ye know not; and the women knead their dough, to make cakes to the queen of heaven, and to pour out drink offerings unto other gods, And they have built the high places of Tophet, to burn their sons and their daughters in the fire; The latter referring to Moloch.
Jeremiah 8:19 Why have they provoked me to anger with their graven images?
Jeremiah 9:14 But have walked after the imagination of their own heart, and after Baalim, which their fathers taught them…
Jeremiah 10:11 The gods that have not made the heavens and the earth…
Jeremiah 11:10-17 And they went after other gods to serve them: and cry unto the gods unto whom they offer incense: For according to the number of thy cities were thy gods, even altars to burn incense unto Baal. Offering incense unto Baal.
Jeremiah 12:16 As they taught my people to swear by Baal…
Baal
Jeremiah 13:10 And walk after other gods, to serve them, and to worship them…
Jeremiah 16:11-20 And have walked after other gods, and have served them, and have worshipped them, and there shall ye serve other gods day and night; shall a man make gods unto himself, and they are no gods?
Jeremiah 17:2 KJV Whilst their children remember their altars and their groves by the green trees upon the high hills.
Jeremiah 19:4-13 And have burned incense in it unto other gods, they have built also the high places of Baal, to burn their sons with fire for burnt offerings unto Baal, they have burned incense unto all the host of heaven, and have poured out drink offerings unto other gods.
Jeremiah 22:9 And worshipped other gods, and served them.
Jeremiah 23:13-27 And I have seen folly in the prophets of Samaria; they prophesied in Baal, and caused my people Israel to err. as their fathers have forgotten my name for Baal. As this is God himself speaking, he’s admitting his followers have forgotten his own name.
Jeremiah 25:6 And go not after other gods to serve them, and to worship them…
Jeremiah 27:4 For thus saith the Lord of hosts concerning the pillars…
Jeremiah 32:29-35 Upon whose roofs they have offered incense unto Baal, and poured out drink offerings unto other gods, And they built the high places of Baal, which are in the valley of the son of Hinnom, to cause their sons and their daughters to pass through the fire unto Molech…
Molech
Jeremiah 35:15 And go not after other gods to serve them…
Jeremiah 43:12-13 And I will kindle a fire in the houses of the gods of Egypt; He shall break also the images of Bethshemesh, that is in the land of Egypt; and the houses of the gods of the Egyptians shall he burn with fire.
Jeremiah 44:3-15 In that they went to burn incense, and to serve other gods, whom they knew not, to burn no incense unto other gods. burning incense unto other gods in the land of Egypt, burned incense unto other gods…
Jeremiah 46:25 With their gods, and their kings…
Jeremiah 48:7-46 And Chemosh shall go forth into captivity with his priests and his princes together. And Moab shall be ashamed of Chemosh, as the house of Israel was ashamed of Bethel their confidence. him that offereth in the high places, and him that burneth incense to his gods. the people of Chemosh perisheth: Bethel was the name of a place (House of El), but here used as that of another deity.
Jeremiah (Letter Of) 41 When they see a dumb man, who cannot speak, they bring him and pray Bel that the man may speak, as though Bel were able to understand.
Job 9:13 KJV If God will not withdraw his anger, the proud helpers do stoop under him.
Job 26:5-12 KJV Dead things are formed from under the waters, and the inhabitants thereof. Hell is naked before him, He divideth the sea with his power, and by his understanding he smiteth through the proud.
John 10:34-35 Is it not written in your law, I said, ‘Ye are gods’? If he called them gods, unto whom the word of God came… ( Psalm 82)
John (Acts Of) 46 Body of the priest of Artemis before the door laid down the priest of Artemis before the gate…
John (Acts Of) 54 And having learnt the wiles of Satan…
Wiles Of Satan
John (Acts Of) 63 Among the brethren, a certain one, a messenger of Satan…
John (Acts Of) 69 Nor that which taketh pledges of Satan…
John (Acts Of) 70 Inflamed with an horrible lust and possession of the many-shaped Satan…
John (Acts Of) 84 From all these, thou most unholy Satan, enemy of God…
John (Acts Of) 98 Lordships and demons, workings, threatening’s, wraths, devils, Satan, and the lower root…
John (Acts Of) XVII I beheld your angels weeping, and the angels of Satan rejoicing at your overthrow.
John (Acts Of) 112 When it had been vanquished by Satan: that didst overcome its adversary…
John (Acts Of) 114 Let the devil be muzzled, let Satan be derided…
Joshua 22:22 The Lord God of gods, the Lord God of gods…
Joshua 23:7-16 Neither make mention of the name of their gods, nor cause to swear by them, neither serve them, nor bow yourselves unto them: and have gone and served other gods, and bowed yourselves to them…
Joshua 24:2-27 And they served other gods. And put away the gods which your fathers served on the other side of the flood, and in Egypt; whether the gods which your fathers served that were on the other side of the flood, or the gods of the Amorites, to serve other gods; and serve strange gods, Now therefore put away, said he, the strange gods which are among you, And Joshua wrote these words in the book of the law of God, and took a great stone, and set it up there under an oak, that was by the sanctuary of the Lord. And Joshua said unto all the people, Behold, this stone shall be a witness unto us; for it hath heard all the words of the Lord which he spake unto us: it shall be therefore a witness unto you, Having told people not to worship other gods, he then sets a stone as a witness: this isn’t a simple commemoration, for like other ancient religions he believed spirits and gods dwelled in trees and stones and could therefore hear and be witness to events.
Joshua At The Oak Tree
Judges 2:3-19 And their gods shall be a snare unto you. and followed other gods, of the gods of the people that were round about them, and bowed themselves unto them, and served Baalim: and served Baal and Ashtaroth. but they went a whoring after other gods, and bowed themselves unto them: in following other gods to serve them, and to bow down unto them…
Judges 3:6-7 KJV And served their gods. And served Baalim and the groves.
Judges 5:8 They chose new gods; then was war in the gates…
Judges 6:10-32 KJV Fear not the gods of the Amorites, I am the Lord your God; fear not the gods of the Amorites, and throw down the altar of Baal that thy father hath, and cut down the grove that is by it: The altar of Baal was cast down, and the grove was cut down that was by it, because he hath cast down the altar of Baal, and because he hath cut down the grove that was by it. Will ye plead for Baal? Let Baal plead against him, because he hath thrown down his altar.
Judges 8:27-33 And Gideon made an ephod thereof, and put it in his city, even in Ophrah. And all Israel went thither a whoring after it. That the children of Israel turned again, and went a whoring after Baalim, and made Baalberith their god.
Judges 9:4-46 And they gave him threescore and ten pieces of silver out of the house of Baalberith, they entered into an hold of the house of the god Berith.
Silver Pieces
Judges 10:6-16 And served Baalim, and Ashtaroth, and the gods of Syria, and the gods of Zidon, and the gods of Moab, and the gods of the children of Ammon, and the gods of the Philistines, and also served Baalim. Yet ye have forsaken me, and served other gods. Go and cry unto the gods which ye have chosen. And they put away the strange gods from among them…
Judges 11:24 Wilt not thou possess that which Chemosh thy god giveth thee to possess?
Judges 16:23 Then the lords of the Philistines gathered them together for to offer a great sacrifice unto Dagon their god…
Judges 17:5 And the man Micah had an house of gods, and made an ephod, and teraphim…
Judges 18:14-24 Do ye know that there is in these houses an ephod, and teraphim, and a graven image, and a molten image? and took the graven image, and the ephod, and the teraphim, and the molten image: and fetched the carved image, the ephod, and the teraphim, and the molten image. And the priest’s heart was glad, and he took the ephod, and the teraphim, Ye have taken away my gods which I made…
Judges 19:22 The men of the city, certain sons of Belial…
Sons Of Belial
I Kings 9:6-9 But go and serve other gods, and worship them: and have taken hold upon other gods, and have worshipped them, and served them…
I Kings 11:2-33 For surely they will turn away your heart after their gods. Solomon clave unto these in love. That his wives turned away his heart after other gods. For Solomon went after Ashtoreth the goddess of the Zidonians, and after Milcom the abomination of the Ammonites. Then did Solomon build an high place for Chemosh, the abomination of Moab, in the hill that is before Jerusalem, and for Molech, the abomination of the children of Ammon. And likewise did he for all his strange wives, which burnt incense and sacrificed unto their gods. That he should not go after other gods. Because that they have forsaken me, and have worshipped Ashtoreth the goddess of the Zidonians, Chemosh the god of the Moabites, and Milcom the god of the children of Ammon.
G: God gave Solomon wisdom. Solomon used that wisdom to choose and serve other gods. What does that say about the Biblical God?
I Kings 12:28 And made two calves of gold, behold thy gods, O Israel, which brought thee up out of the land of Egypt.
I Kings 13:32 And against all the houses of the high places which are in the cities of Samaria…
I Kings 14:9-23 KJV For thou hast gone and made thee other gods, and molten images, because they have made their groves, For they also built them high places, and images, and groves, on every high hill, and under every green tree.
I Kings 15:13-14 Even her he removed from being queen, because she had made an idol in a grove; and Asa destroyed her idol, and burnt it but the high places were not removed…
I Kings 16:31-32 And went and served Baal, and worshipped him. And he reared up an altar for Baal in the house of Baal, which he had built in Samaria.
I Kings 18:18-40 And thou hast followed Baalim. And the prophets of Baal four hundred and fifty, and the prophets of the groves four hundred, if the Lord be God, follow him: but if Baal, then follow him. But Baal’s prophets are four hundred and fifty men. And call ye on the name of your gods. And Elijah said unto the prophets of Baal’s, and call on the name of your gods, called on the name of Baal’s from morning even until noon, saying, O Baal, hear us. Take the prophets of Baal; let not one of them escape.
I Kings 19:2-18 So let the gods do to me, and more also, all the knees which have not bowed unto Baal…
I Kings 20:10-23 The gods do so unto me, and more also, their gods are gods of the hills; therefore they were stronger than we; but let us fight against them in the plain…
II Kings 1:2-16 Enquire of Baalzebub the god of Ekron that ye go to enquire of Baalzebub the god of Ekron? That thou sendest to enquire of Baalzebub the god of Ekron? Forasmuch as thou hast sent messengers to enquire of Baalzebub the god of Ekron…
Baalzebub
II Kings 3:2 For he put away the image of Baal that his father had made.
II Kings 5:17-18 For thy servant will henceforth offer neither burnt offering nor sacrifice unto other gods, my master goeth into the house of Rimmon to worship there, and he leaneth on my hand, and I bow myself in the house of Rimmon: when I bow down myself in the house of Rimmon…
II Kings 10:18-28 Ahab served Baal a little. Now therefore call unto me all the prophets of Baal, for I have a great sacrifice to do to Baal; destroy the worshippers of Baal. Proclaim a solemn assembly for Baal. All the worshippers of Baal came, came into the house of Baal; and the house of Baal was full from one end to another. Bring forth vestments for all the worshippers of Baal. Into the house of Baal, and said unto the worshippers of Baal, the worshippers of Baal only. Went to the city of the house of Baal. And they brought forth the images out of the house of Baal, and burned them. And they brake down the image of Baal, and brake down the house of Baal, and made it a draught house unto this day. Thus Jehu destroyed Baal out of Israel.
II Kings 11:18 And all the people of the land went into the house of Baal, and slew Mattan the priest of Baal before the altars.
II Kings 12:3 But the high places were not taken away: the people still sacrificed and burnt incense in the high places.
II Kings 16:4 And he sacrificed and burnt incense in the high places, and on the hills, and under every green tree.
II Kings 17:7-37 And had feared other gods, and they built them high places in all their cities. And they set them up images and groves in every high hill, and under every green tree: And there they burnt incense in all the high places, for they served idols, that did not believe in the Lord their God. And made them molten images, even two calves, and made a grove, and worshipped all the host of heaven, and served Baal. Howbeit every nation made gods of their own, and put them in the houses of the high places the men of Babylon made Succothbenoth, and the men of Cuth made Nergal, and the men of Hamath made Ashima, And the Avites made Nibhaz and Tartak, and the Sepharvites burnt their children in fire to Adrammelech and Anammelech, the gods of Sepharvaim. So they feared the Lord, and made unto themselves of the lowest of them priests of the high places, which sacrificed for them in the houses of the high places.
Ashim
Whom The Goat Was Sacred
They feared the Lord, and served their own gods, Ye shall not fear other gods, nor bow yourselves to them, nor serve them, nor sacrifice to them: and ye shall not fear other gods. Neither shall ye fear other gods. If Succoth is King , then Succoth-benoth is King Benoth .
II Kings 18:4-35 KJV He removed the high places, and brake the images, and cut down the groves, and brake in pieces the brazen serpent that Moses had made: for unto those days the children of Israel did burn incense to it: and he called it Nehushtan. Where are the gods of Hamath, and of Arpad? where are the gods of Sepharvaim, Hena, and Ivah? have they delivered Samaria out of mine hand? Who are they among all the gods of the countries…
II Kings 19:12-37 Have the gods of the nations delivered them which my fathers have destroyed; And have cast their gods into the fire: for they were no gods, but the work of men’s hands, wood and stone: as he was worshipping in the house of Nisroch his god, that Adrammelech and Sharezer his sons smote him with the sword: (Isaiah 37:38)
II Kings 21:3-7 KJV For he built up again the high places which Hezekiah his father had destroyed; and he reared up altars for Baal, and made a grove, and worshipped all the host of heaven, and served them. And he built altars in the house of the Lord, And he built altars for all the host of heaven in the two courts of the house of the Lord. And he made his son pass through the fire, and observed times, and used enchantments, and dealt with familiar spirits and wizards: And he set a graven image of the grove that he had made…
II Kings 22:17 And have burned incense unto other gods…
II Kings 23:4-20 KJV All the vessels that were made for Baal, and for the grove, and for all the host of heaven: them also that burned incense unto Baal, to the sun, and to the moon, and to the planets, and to all the host of heaven. And he brought out the grove from the house of the Lord, where the women wove hangings for the grove. to pass through the fire to Molech.
And he took away the horses that the kings of Judah had given to the sun, and burned the chariots of the sun with fire. which Solomon the king of Israel had builded for Ashtoreth the abomination of the Zidonians and for Chemosh the abomination of the Moabites, and for Milcom the abomination of the children of Ammon, And he brake in pieces the images, and cut down the groves, both that altar and the high place he brake down, and burned the high place, and stamped it small to powder, and burned the grove. And he slew all the priests of the high places that were there upon the altars…
II Kings 23:4-20 KJV All the vessels that were made for Baal, and for the grove, and for all the host of heaven: them also that burned incense unto Baal, to the sun, and to the moon, and to the planets, and to all the host of heaven. And he brought out the grove from the house of the Lord, where the women wove hangings for the grove. To pass through the fire to Molech. And he took away the horses that the kings of Judah had given to the sun, and burned the chariots of the sun with fire. Which Solomon the king of Israel had builded for Ashtoreth the abomination of the Zidonians and for Chemosh the abomination of the Moabites, and for Milcom the abomination of the children of Ammon, And he brake in pieces the images, and cut down the groves, both that altar and the high place he brake down, and burned the high place, and stamped it small to powder, and burned the grove. And he slew all the priests of the high places that were there upon the altars…
Solomon’s Killing Of The Priests
II Kings 23:24 KJV And the images, and the idols…
Leviticus 8:7 And clothed him with the robe, and put the ephod upon him, and he girded him with the curious girdle of the ephod, and bound it unto him therewith.
Leviticus 17:7 KJV And they shall no more offer their sacrifices unto devils [Sahirim], after whom they have gone a whoring.
Leviticus 18:21 And thou shalt not let any of thy seed pass through the fire to Molech…
Leviticus 19:4 Turn ye not unto idols, nor make to yourselves molten gods…
Leviticus 20:2-5 That giveth any of his seed unto Molech; because he hath given of his seed unto Molech, when he giveth of his seed unto Molech, to commit whoredom with Molech…
Leviticus 26:30 And I will destroy your high places, and cut down your images, and cast your carcass upon the carcasses of your idols, and my soul shall abhor you.
Luke 16:9-13 Make to yourselves friends of the mammon of unrighteousness; If therefore ye have not been faithful in the unrighteous mammon, Ye cannot serve God and mammon.
Mammon
Matthew 6:24 Ye cannot serve God and mammon.
Melchizedek, O Mother of the aeons, Barbelo! O first-born of the aeons, O chief commanders of the luminaries, you powers Armozel, Oroiael, Daveithe, Eleleth, and you man-of-light, immortal aeon Pigera-Adamas, and you good god of the beneficent worlds, Mirocheirothetou, in the counsels of Satan, the sacrifice of his doctrines indicates a lacuna rather than an omission for brevity, and the four powers are the first aeons made by Barbelo. (Angels Of John’s Apocrypha)
Micah 5:13-14 KJV Thy graven images also will I cut off, and thy standing images out of the midst of thee; and thou shalt no more worship the work of thine hands. And I will pluck up thy groves out of the midst of thee…
Nahum 1:14 Out of the house of thy gods will I cut off the graven image and the molten image…
Numbers 21:29 O people of Chemosh…
Numbers 22:41 And brought him up into the high places of Baal…
Numbers 25:1-5 And the people began to commit whoredom with the daughters of Moab. And they called the people unto the sacrifices of their gods: and the people did eat, and bowed down to their gods. And Israel joined himself unto Baalpeor: Slay ye everyone his men that were joined unto Baalpeor. More whoredom as a synonym for worshipping other gods (in this case Kadesh).
Numbers 33:4 Upon their gods also the Lord executed judgments.
Numbers 33:4 Upon their gods also the Lord executed judgments.
Paul (Acts Of) 2:4 Behold these evils whereby the devices of Satan are accomplished.
Peter (Acts Of) 3:2-18 For behold Satan shall trouble thine heart for all that did believe in me hath Satan made to fall by his craft and working: lost all them whom Paul had delivered unto us, by the working of Satan; against you also hath the deceiver Satan aimed his arrows, for if Satan caused me to stumble, whereby he that is called the angel of Satan was driven out thence. and to prove that he is the angel of Satan. and so Simon the angel of Satan came to his end.
Philip (Acts Of) 13 And Mansemat, that is, Satan entered into him.
Satan Entered Him
Philip (Acts Of) And drive out the ruler of Satan, he went up to the city to drive out Satan…
Proverbs 2:18 KJV For her house inclineth unto death, and her paths unto the dead.
Proverbs 8:1-33 Doth not wisdom cry? and understanding put forth her voice? She standeth in the top of high places, by the way in the places of the paths. The Lord possessed me in the beginning of his way, before his works of old. I was set up from everlasting, from the beginning, or ever the earth was. When there were no depths, I was brought forth; When he prepared the heavens, I was there: Then I was by him, as one brought up with him. And I was daily his delight, rejoicing always before him; for blessed are they that keep my ways. Hear instruction, and be wise, and refuse it not.
Proverbs 9:18 KJV But he knoweth not that the dead are there; and that her guests are in the depths of hell.
Proverbs 21:16 KJV The man that wandereth out of the way of understanding shall remain in the congregation of the dead.
Psalms 78:58 For they provoked him to anger with their high places, and moved him to jealousy with their graven images.
Psalms 82:1-6 God standeth in the congregation of the mighty; he judgeth among the gods. I have said, Ye are gods; (John 10:34-35)
Psalms 86:8 Among the gods there is none like unto thee…
Psalms 88:10 KJV Wilt thou shew wonders to the dead? Shall the dead arise and praise thee? Selah.
The Dead Arise
Psalms 95:3 For the LORD is a great God, and a great King above all gods.
Psalms 96:4-5 He is to be feared above all gods. For all the gods of the nations are idols…
Psalms 97:7-9 Confounded be all they that serve graven images, that boast themselves of idols: worship him, all ye gods. Thou art exalted far above all gods.
Psalms 106:28-39 They joined themselves also unto Baalpeor, And they served their idols: which were a snare unto them. they sacrificed their sons and their daughters unto devils [Shedim], whom they sacrificed unto the idols of Canaan: and went a whoring with their own inventions.
Psalms 135:5 And that our Lord is above all gods.
Psalms 136:2 O give thanks unto the God of gods…
Psalms 138:1 Before the gods will I sing praise unto thee.
Revelation 9:11 And they had a king over them, which is the angel of the bottomless pit, whose name in the Hebrew tongue is Abaddon, but in the Greek tongue hath his name Apollyon.
Abaddon / Apollyon / Satan
Romans 11:4 Who have not bowed the knee to the image of Baal.
Ruth 1:15 Thy sister in law is gone back unto…
1 Samuel 4:8 Who shall deliver us out of the hand of these mighty Gods? These are the Gods that smote the Egyptians
1 Samuel 5:2-7 When the Philistines took the ark of God, they brought it into the house of Dagon, and set it by Dagon. Dagon was fallen upon his face to the earth And they took Dagon, Dagon was fallen upon his face to the ground the head of Dagon and both the palms of his hands were cut off upon the threshold; only the stump threshold of Dagon in Ashdod unto this day. and upon Dagon our god.
1 Samuel 6:5 Peradventure he will lighten his hand from off you, and from off your gods, and from off your land.
1 Samuel 7:3-4 Then put away the strange gods and Ashtaroth from among you, Then the children of Israel did put away Baalim and Ashtaroth,
1 Samuel 8:8 Wherewith they have forsaken me, and served other gods…
1 Samuel 12:10 And have served Baalim and Ashtaroth…
1 Samuel 14:3 The Lord’s priest in Shiloh, wearing an ephod.
1 Samuel 15:23 KJV And stubbornness is as iniquity and idolatry.
1 Samuel 17:43 And the Philistine cursed David by his gods.
1 Samuel 26:6-19 Then answered David and said to Ahimelech the Hittite, saying, go, serve other gods.
1 Samuel 28:13 And the woman said unto Saul, I saw gods ascending out of the earth. Though referring to the summoned spirit of Samuel.
Spirit Of Samuel
1 Samuel 30:7-8 I pray thee, bring me hither the ephod. And Abiathar brought thither the ephod to David. And David enquired at the Lord, saying, Shall I pursue after this troop? Shall I overtake them? And he answered him, Pursue: for thou shalt surely overtake them, and without fail recover all.
This is an instance of God answering questions through a statue, just like any other oracle.
1 Samuel 31:10 And they put his armour in the house of Ashtaroth.
2 Samuel 7:23 From the nations and their gods?
2 Samuel 28:18 Now Absalom in his lifetime had taken and reared up for himself a pillar, which is in the king’s dale: and he called the pillar after his own name…
Tobit 1:5 All the tribes that joined in apostasy used to sacrifice to the calf Baal…
Wisdom Of Solomon 6:20-22 So the desire for wisdom leads to a kingdom. Therefore if you delight in thrones and scepters, O monarchs over the peoples, honor wisdom, that you may reign forever. I will tell you what wisdom is and how she came to be, and I will hide no secrets from you, but I will trace her course from the beginning of creation, and make knowledge of her clear…
Wisdom Of Solomon 7:7-25 And the spirit of wisdom came to me. and I chose to have her rather than light, because her radiance never ceases. I rejoiced in them all, because wisdom leads them; but I did not know that she was their mother for wisdom, the fashioner of all things, taught me.
The Mother of Wisdom?
For in her there is a spirit that is intelligent, holy, unique, manifold, subtle, mobile, clear, unpolluted, distinct, invulnerable, loving the good, keen, irresistible, beneficent, humane, steadfast, sure, free from anxiety, all-powerful, overseeing all, and penetrating through all spirits that are intelligent and pure and most subtle. For wisdom is more mobile than any motion; because of her pureness she pervades and penetrates all things. For she is a breath of the power of God…
Wisdom Of Solomon 8:3-4 She glorifies her noble birth by living with God, and the Lord of all loves her. For she is an initiate in the knowledge of God, and an associate in his works.
Wisdom Of Solomon 9:4 Give me the wisdom that sits by thy throne…
Wisdom Of Solomon 10:1 Wisdom protected the first-formed father of the world, when he alone had been created…
Wisdom Of Solomon 14:23 For whether they kill children in their initiations, or celebrate secret mysteries, or hold frenzied revels with strange customs…
Zadokite 7:6 The Elders who served Ashtaroth.
Zechariah 7:2 When they had sent unto the house of God Sherezer and Regemmelech…
Zechariah 10:2 KJV For the idols have spoken vanity…
Zephaniah 1:4 And I will cut off the remnant of Baal from this place…
Zephaniah 2:11 For he will famish all the gods of the earth…
Greetings! You have been drafted! You have been solely selected via living chip computer and psycho-genetics above all others in this World to be the “assumed authority” for the mission you are about to depart on. A window of opportunity is discovered. Once departed, you shall never again experience this World. You will never come back.
You shall be the ultimate authority over a target planet and its most dominate “beings”.
You are never to be known by name nor address.
The planet’s beings are a biological species which, to them, rationalizes their destructive and consuming behaviors.
On this planet, for one to live, things must die. For one to live well, more things must die.
You shall assume authority because the genetic nature of these “beings” is to conform to authority in hopes of becoming authority by vehicles of reward and punishment.
The more advanced species are highly suggestible and tend to live by “dogma” (pre-set, customary choices / remote control discipline) through “beliefs” (expectations).
They tend to communicate poorly with each other due to conflicting agendas and power struggles.
Fear of authority and its consequences is the means by which you shall conform them.
They are an evolving biological species. Through evolution, they are starting to seek and invent more sophisticated vehicles to control and exploit each other.
Behold how authority shall rule, manipulate, discipline and control the time experienced by the more advanced beings.
Make Them Accountable / Control Their Time
Moral and legal authority must be established to control the two brains the more advanced animals possess. One brain responds to accountability, time, responsibility, consequence, and mathematics. The right brain yields music, invention, visualization and “emotion” (the genetic urge to create and destroy – do want and don’t want.)
Each “entity” is manipulated and controlled by its gene-driven Ego. An Ego is recognized by the behaviors: “I am the value” – “I am the authority” – “I am entitled”.
Capitalize on their Egos for each Ego is the source that gives birth to its own fictitious God / authority.
You shall establish vehicles to blind them from their genetic wisdom which has been passed sexually through their ancestors by creating rules of responsibility, accountability, conformity, obligation, commitment and sacrifice to an assumed authority.
A current assumed authority shall be credited for its construction or destruction – its betterment or worsening of life on the planet.
These Ego-driven animals are easily manipulated due to their genetic addictions to the feelings of pleasure and pain. Ego always tries to be more than it is. That’s why Egos, who want to be obeyed, invent Gods they claim must be obeyed.
If an assumed authority can get other egos to obey a false authority, the assumed authority can better get obedience from the obeying egos. The nature of the Ego is to worship authority over others – in hopes of becoming authority over others.
Authority is to censor and blind each animal’s ego to its genetic knowledge and wisdom in favor of “belief and dogma” (the urge to follow / obey authority.) To control the animal, an assumed authority must control its time. Its right brain has little sense for the accountability to time.
Once you have established authoritative life patterns, call them “traditions” – which will amount to the dead leading the blind.
Each Ego has six sub-lives in its psycho-genetic consciousness.
Psychology, which is a current conscious Ego’s environmental experience, triggers the genes. Genes trigger experiences.
Experiences trigger genes. Throughout the species and life-forms on the planet, their genes contain all their lineage’s past knowledge and instincts. Beings with higher brain development have evolved so that their experiences are stored in what they call the sub-conscious mind. The subconscious mind is simply their evolved gene memory.
The less you need, the less you can be manipulated against your will.
1. PHYSICAL: Electrical, chemical and biological functions, through evolution, that is packaged by genetics and is transferred through the sexual life.
2. MENTAL: Living equipment capable of, in time, recording and creating experience (psychology). An Ego commands the genetically influenced mind, emotions and feelings which manifest through the animal’s predictable psychological attitudes and behaviors.
The assumptions and behavioral manifestations of Ego / God:
“I am the value” – “I am the authority” – “I want obedience” – “I am entitled”.
Categorically, most Egos desire to be special – good – better than others – the best. Most egos desire to categorically be loved, worshipped and adored. The degree of categorical desire is measurable. Through behavior, feelings and their emotional intensity make ego apparent. Inherent genes produce categories that egos attach to.
In this work, Ego and God are both capitalized to introduce the perspective that they are synonymous.
(For believers, denial is automatic.) Behaviors function in conflict.
There Are Only Two Emotions: Do wants / Don’t wants – and their intensity.
There are numerous feelings that are easily identified. The emotion is the intensity and / or the motivation of the feeling. Left brain is stubborn, often stupid, as it is resistant to change. Right brain provides thought, invention, ideas and change. Beyond survival, the right brain, through its two emotions (do wants / don’t wants), creates agendas that compete and conflict with the reality, interests and agendas of other egos. Egos have the capacity to create agendas to imagine, deceive and lie. Lies are the mothers of invention. Lies give birth to things that weren’t. Lies also provide change which the left brain often responds poorly to. Left brain serves its psychological and genetic past while the right brain creates the “new”. The complex Ego / God mechanism often manifests “territorial” (aggressive and defensive feelings) that they often consider sacred.
3. EMOTION: The system that psycho-genetically motivates the Ego. It creates and copies the two emotions (I want / I don’t want) intensity that manifests identifiable feelings that create and destroy.
4. SEXUAL: Ego (I am the value) drive challenged, motivated and addicted by genetic feelings with the desire to genetically clone. It inherently harbors an undisciplined desire to achieve sexual feelings of ecstasy shared within the five internal sub-lives.
5. SPIRITUAL: The acceptance quality. The capacity of the Ego’s will (soul, spirit) to, in harmony, psychologically and genetically accept, without following, things the way they are. Spiritual qualities, through perspectives, are not addicted to the behaviors of knowing, believing, creating nor destroying.
6. FINANCIAL: The beings only external sub-life for survival level and comfort. A financial system is the Ego’s most civilized means to exchange do wants and don’t wants by authority accepted criteria.
TIME is their sixth sense, for without life (a sense of time), there is no sub-life awareness (consciousness). Death (eternity) is the absence of time.
To control this species left brain, authority must create and maintain civil and criminal law, by consequence and enforcement. Its right brain’s two emotions (I want / I don’t want) shall be controlled by esoteric vehicles such as religions and other dogmas based on phobias (genetic based fears) and faith (blind, irrational motivation). Religions, faith and beliefs compete as catch-all conformers by consistent “be like me” pressure with the projection of fear-based eternal consequences. Peasants are not to question authority.
Brain
Addictions are genetic feelings attached to time consuming behaviors. Addictions are the tools of authority. Authority’s capacity to addict (fixate / bond) the peasant’s feelings to religion, family, training, finance, law and the ego’s fear of death shall conform the masses. The peasants must practice belief (the seed of addiction). An Ego’s (“I am the value” – “I am the authority” – “I want obedience” – “I am entitled” addicted feelings to create, serve and / or destroy another authority shall be in hope of becoming that authority, or to have that authority serve it. Some Egos are obsessed to be worshipped and adored while others are addicted to feelings triggered by financial praises.
An Ego’s narcissism (center of attention) shall be discouraged unless an authority can profit by it. One, assuming authority by positional status, power and control, may become addicted to the feelings of manipulation. When no vehicle is found to vent high and low feelings, an ego may crave unauthorized chemicals to resolve the addicted feelings. It will believe it is addicted to the habit, drug or behavior, but, as in love and hate, it is only addicted to a feeling, which will often let them down. Hypocrisy will declare only an unauthorized pattern of behavior to be an addiction. Religions will promote addictions. To forsake an addiction is to forsake another false authority.
Only an ego’s acceptance of a stubborn feeling can release it’s stubborn feeling. Competitions shall formulate basic standards and principles to conform the animals to be one with authority.
Encourage poets to project reality through idealism and virtue. Allow the subjects to call their esoteric authority (God) any name they choose, for, that name and authority shall be synonymous. When their “will” (Ego) is controlled, their “spirit” (soul) is harnessed, lost to them and owned by that authority. They shall worship and serve while believing they trust, but, they shall trust only while they conform. Their society shall consist of inter-parasitical society; territorial and aggressive. By praise and punishment, authority shall train, create and supervise believers for believing is the desire to “serve” (follow authority).
Time is the sea they swim in. Time experienced is what life is made of. Authority shall turn the Ego’s time into the glue of it’s own reality. Freedom (unaccountable time) shall be sin (without consent of authority). The socio-economic network shall keep each Ego’s time accountable on all six sub-lives. An Ego will believe it is addicted to a behavior (habit or stimuli) while it is addicted only to its genetic feelings that are triggered by a behavior. Some Egos will use forbidden drugs in attempt to know freedom which isunaccountable time. Ironically and paradoxically, they shall become addicted and accountable to what they escape to.
Farm your people by dogma (customary disciplines, values and choices). Those who believe (have already committed, decided) shall become cloned to follow their lives, while those who think shall lead their lives and the direction of their planet. The thinker can further create or destroy their species by exercising their two emotions, their do wants and don’t wants. Occasionally, a thought will surface and attempt to grow. Ripe thoughts not selected by authority, will tend to be smothered by jealous, non-flexible, non-changing, stubborn believers. Anxiety also may manifest when a believer attempts to think.
Other believers may experience comatose, mind-set, for they can’t or won’t awaken to meaning.
“Emotions are the music of the genes.
Feelings are the identifiable notes.
Attitude makes up the composition.
Behavior presents the performance.”
Emotion attached to thought creates memory. Learning only takes place by change of behavior.
“Unconscious behavior” can better be classified as “genetic behavior”. The source of your unconscious behavior is your genes. Your “gene-pool” pre-determines much of your life experiences.
An authority’s mission is to clone an Ego to serve it on its terms, values and agenda. An authority shall attract, assume control and manipulate. Egos shall believe in authority. Paradoxically, the more intensely an Ego believes in a false authority, the more efficiently assumed authorities shall exploit it.
I agree that religion is primitive politics and that politics demand control, authority, power and profit over people.
The mystery of a supernatural god lies in our ego’s relationship with our ever-evolving genes. Assuming that our human gene-banks (46 chromosomes) light up and shut down as we evolve (age) and that feelings are the vehicles of communication between our conscience ego and our programmable genetic hard-wiring / software, maybe the mysteries of a supernatural god can be resolved and formulated.
Experience triggers genes. Genes trigger experiences. Our genes may, in reality, be the mysterious gods that we claim to be so personal. Our ego, by interpreting these mysterious feelings / god-like influences, bring all these gods down to one god. Unfortunately, for our fragile (I am the value, I am the authority, I am entitled) egos, this theory gives our illusive, on-again, off-again genes credit of much of our conflictive, do-want / don’t want emotions and our observable attitudes and behaviors.
What is a theory? I perceive that a theory is another, definite, guaranteed maybe.
Once assumed leaders of economy are exposed to authority’s tools, they shall promote authority under different and competitive flags, to manipulate those who successfully conform to serve them.
Competition, at high stakes, is a most extreme motivation. Sport shall be taught, which will establish behavioral feelings to passionately, fanatically and addictively serve an assumed authority, cause or agenda.
Competition
Only those in the know, know that except for the laws of nature and science, all authority is assumed authority. Their Egos shall conform and presume to be one with their assumed authority. They shall zealously worship and pretend to follow a false authority just to keep in practice. This practice may make them tolerant of an authority who is often in error but never in doubt.
Addicted Egos are to serve their assumed authorities, right or wrong, to the death.
Have censoring dogmas confine their minds and emotions to “belief”, the virtue of the work ethic.
The peasants are to humbly approach authority in fear of authority’s intentions. They shall seek security in blind faith and belief by yielding to a higher power.
To vent left brain / right brain conflict energies and to develop concentration within the mind, create devils (adversaries, challenges, sacrifices and competitive goals). Authority shall project devils (paralyzing fears and horrible pain) to those subjects who are to serve it. An authority shall become the devil to those subjects who fail to obey or conform to authority’s supervision.
People are not to think while serving. They are to believe / follow only that which serves the assumed authority’s wishes. Insure that they never know that “ignorance” (not knowing) is the only devil in the universe; for, if they should know how to avoid addiction to authority, then authority would be powerless over them.
Incite warlike natures in greater nations to subordinate, by fear of killing capacity, inferior countries. Wars shall occur only after politicians fail. Competitive feelings shall easily conform addicted, blinded believers into war. It is a re-cycling genetic condition, as is most of the species behavior.
Wars result when two assumed authorities want peace, on their terms.
In war, an assumed authority shall select and enemy that his or her peasants shall self-destruct for. Blasphemy occurs when a subject knows its authority’s Ego to be its true enemy. There will be at least one authoritative person on the target planet that will feel his or her soul (will) stripped and viciously violated should these perspectives be exposed to his or her Ego which behaves as: I am God, the authority.
Religious wars will amount to two (2) or more evil Egos combating against each other.
Marriage
You shall invent, supervise and legally enforce first-line supervision of your male and female peasants in a vehicle called marriage; whereby, each subject, under moral and legal pressure, chooses to enter into a binding contract, based on accountability, responsibility, and commitment to the laws of authority.
Marriage is faith made legal, whereas once chosen, like belief, believers have eliminated their freedom of choice. Binding, legal commitments are the surest way to eliminate free will. God and Governments love that.
The marriage contract shall be between the male and the state – and between the female and the state. Genetic, egocentric emotion shall blind this reality. Same sex marriage shall not be tolerated – even though, if granted, gay individuals could also be legally supervised and repressed.
First-line supervision arises as she shall supervise him to the law, social expectations, standards and principles of the state. He, in turn, shall supervise her to the law, standards and principles of the state. They both shall compete in supervising their offspring to the law and authority’s social expectations.
By law, she is to assume authority over his sex life. He is to assume authority over her sex life. Should either fail, the other shall enforce the built-in lawsuit and the state shalt imprison the guilty and re-distribute their lives.
Unlike “free love” – marriage – as an authority controlled social institution, encourages emotional possessiveness and psychological enslavement.
Authority promotes emotional possessiveness and psychological enslavement.
Authority shall condone sexual inter-action only in a hostage state and government (authority) shall legally brand / license them to make them hostage two by two.
Does the Catholic Church reject, condemn and excommunicate women who take steps to become a Priest? Does the Jewish religion forbid women from becoming Rabbis? How much stricter is Islam against the rights of Islamic women? Many of them get stoned to death if caught driving a car. The Judeo-Christian-Islamic Religions proves to be morally unjust, selectively bias, structurally corrupt, culturally illegal and mentally insane in the treatment of their believers. It is insane to believe the authority of these man-made, imperialistic institutions. They compete in taking over everyone.
Does the US Government condemn gays and give tax breaks to Religions that condemn homosexuals?
Money: The Real God Of Planet Earth
Money is the ultimate “God of Consequence” over the masses on planet Earth. Authority has established a financial infrastructure that the masses has become dependant upon and addicted to. Worshippers of God / Authority have arranged for all individuals and nations to be in debt. Money makes us account for our time and to their authority. Believers are committed to fictitious gods so they will not realize that money is the only “God of Consequence” on planet Earth.
Euthanasia: The authority who proclaims that a person shall not control his or her own death is the same authority who demands that person is to have no control over his or her own life.
Euthanasia, not in the interests of authority, shall be discouraged until genetic engineering manifests. The birth / death cycle of the human animal is merely the creation and expiration of a merged 46 chromosome / genetic / Ego cycle.
An authority shall discourage its subject from seeking “perspective” (a view of something that could prove meaningful) in favor of censored knowledge, what authority deems profitable.
What an animal believes (assumes to know) becomes its strongest addiction. Authority is to command what people are to believe (pretend to know).
They shall maintain the belief addiction by always practicing on themselves. They are to learn to lie to each other so much that faith becomes their automatic, conditioned mechanism.
This keeps a loyal, Ego stupid and stubborn when exposed to reality, facts, perspectives, invention and wisdom. An authority is never interested in its slaves being wise or knowledgeable.
Authority is only interested in sacrificial obedience.
Establish vehicles known as humor and drama so your victims can vent mental and emotional pressure by harmlessly mocking authority.
Authority shall discourage philosophers (those who dare diagnose society and expose the tools of authority) and encourage competitive religions that demand: Conform yourself to be like me, serve me, obey and follow me (authority) by virtue of eternal consequence.
Human Egos shall compete for “progress” (I want more and better). They shall become bias, vain and prejudice about their species, race and family. Being self-centered, they shall eventually over-populate and self-destruct.
They shall destroy their planet’s environmental balance should their politicians, scientists and the peasants themselves follow profits alone.
Many human Egos tend to be addicted to deep feelings of “narcissism” (over-exaggerated self-importance).
The Timeless Intention of an Ego / Authority:
“I want you to live by my values in your life with me being the center of those values.”
The timeless secret of an Ego’s / authority’s depression, anger and hurt:
“Reality did not serve me on my terms.”
The rarest honesty of an addicted Ego:
“My feelings let me down.”
Love
The Ego (I am the value – I am the authority – I am more important – I am entitled – I want obedience) shall become addicted to feelings of love (you are the value, you are more important) as long as that Ego is satisfactorily served on its terms.
Religions are to demand (be like me or else), love me (make me the value / more important) and obey my authority (serve me on my terms). These are all Ego / God manifestations.
You are to promote love and loyalty for an individual or group which produces prejudice, rejection, inequality and discrimination toward others who are different.
How many people, who claim to be in love, are having an affair with a hallucination – “The Love Virus”?
Love, by genetic appeal, will inherently promote society to select ethnic groups and simply those with other persuasions for persecution. An addicted animal shall conform righteously, jealously and passionately to all of these heinous, oppressive behaviors in the name of the personal authority he or she serves. When the addicted preach, they are not describing their God, they are vicariously describing themselves.
Mankind shall instinctively crave to seek its creator. Logic shall exercise their curiosities until they discover that authority has commanded a religious veil of ignorance.
Scientists shall eventually seek communications with their creators, their genes. They shall find that everything in nature, even human behavior is mechanical.
Human Behavior?
The human mind strives to preserve ignorance, for that is where the fascination is. That is how their emotions and egos inherently prefer to perceive life.
Through sex, mixed genes evolve their lineage of life. Egos expire.
Fear-based, authoritarian religions shall train their peasants to believe in ever-lasting life so that they can invent eternal hell to be the ultimate punishment for non-conformance to their exploitation.
Eternity is the absence of time.
Religious and educational attitudes shall not emphasize sharing logic, reason, information, experience and facts. It is through beliefs (symbols of conformance) that religions demand the righteous obedience, performance standards and motivations that are exploited by an assumed authority to serve its own purposes.
Authoritarians, to draw awesome power to themselves, shall define spiritual to be of external authority. “Tradition” (the dead leading the blind) shall be promoted. What a person feels that he or she most profoundly knows shall be the feelings he or she shall become most addicted to. The practice of belief shall be the source of your discipline (the power to control the feelings) that cause the behavioral choices that creates your success or causes your “problems” (do wants / don’t wants).
Authoritarians?
The human animal’s addiction for authority is endless. They shall attempt to duplicate themselves by mechanics, then electronics and finally through the engineering of genetics, all in the spirit of authority.
A brain is a survival organ. The sources of thought, feelings, belief, physical and behavioral traits, addictions, inherent wisdom, talents and diseases function within their ever-evolving genes. Various genes are activated, often triggered by an experience, while other genes remain dormant during each Ego’s genetic life cycle.
Gene awareness will become apparent to the species when the genes manifest the cloning and duplications of themselves within the technology of sophisticated computers.
If they don’t genocide first, their ultimate ego goal shall be to genetically engineer future perfect replicas of themselves from birth, through service, to programmed obsolescence (death). Terminal withdrawal shall be genetically timed by exception of financial appeal (profit).
The animal’s saddest afflictions shall be, by virtue, eliminated first. Then through progress, authority shall engineer genetic consciousness, talents, personalities and the service crafts of its empire and populace. To exploit the animal, a gene or its alteration, shall be inserted into the genetic make-up in such a manner, that when the animal reaches certain stages of maturity, desired and predictable occurrences take place.
The planet’s ultimate pollution, overpopulation, shall be promoted by ignorant religions and controlled by exploiting politics (wars).
Once all of the nations on the target planet demonstrate accountability and responsibility, financial equality among the servants shall be ordered. Wealthy nations shall sacrifice their wealth to lesser nations.
Nationalism shall be re-defined separating the authority elite from the selected servitude.
Spiritual: The mystical connection / feeling between you and your influential genes that produces your choices and determines who or what you become. GWD
This species final frontier lies within its genes. Should they engineer and duplicate genetic diseases, genocide shall be highly probable.
Should the target planet survive beyond your Ego’s expiration, but before its genocide, insure sufficient knowledge whereby the planet’s elite survivors colonize quickly and infest the galaxy. The human species shall re-cycle the spirit of authority, the authority addiction.
You are the only thinker in your entire universe. For you, the ultimate authority is you, and you are alone…
Alone
What one person, who you know, would be impacted if sent to this site?
Science learned more yesterday than religion learned in 4,000 years.
A mind is a terrible thing to waste on religion.
I will not be manipulated nor controlled by Dark-Age religion.
Religion is only primitive politics.
The greatest Atheist Maker on planet Earth is the studied Bible.
The Biblical God has no God – and neither do I.
The non-existence of God is evidence that God does not exist.
If there was proof of God – there would be only one religion.
Religion is Humanity’s greatest mass distraction from day-to-day reality.
There is an addiction / life destroying disease called religion.
The God Murders website is an attempt to find a cure. GWD
An Interview with God – by Gary DeVaney
I asked God what it is like to be God. God said that it was just a Character He plays – nothing special.
I asked God how it started. God said a group auditioned many and selected Him for the part. Then they wrote the scripts and made God the heavy. They used fear-based advertising and propaganda to promote God and his stories of jealousy, mass-murder and eventually “Eternal-Torture”.
I asked God how He felt about the role. God said that “In The Beginning” it was fun being feared by everybody and often being begged to. But lately, fewer Human Beings believe in, support, promote and finance Him so it is not as much fun. God seems to feel that believers, with critical minds, now are beginning to fear that God is, and always has been, evil. God fears that if He continues to lose fans, He will be out of a job.
I asked God what His plans were. God complained that He was stereotyped and couldn’t find any other work. God has even considered suicide – but God fears that only the god-role will expire and not Him. Who ever thought that God would want out?
We will return after these messages…
As an Atheist
As a seasoned, experienced Atheist, I, Gary DeVaney, do not believe in the Biblical God or the Bible. That is primarily because I know, have captured & documented the insane / controversial C&Vs of the Bible. In debate, that makes me a fundamentalist Bible critic. My best debate for me is with a fundamentalist, ordained, licienced Christian minister. He has no excuse for not knowing the selected, controversial Bible C&Vs that I have chosen to take issue with in debate.
My, The God Murders website, exists so that other critical minds do not have to put in about 25,000 hours of intense study and debate to discover and document those selected, controversial Bible C&Vs.
I personally view that it is dishonest for mind-set believers to support, promote and finance the Biblical God if you do NOT know all the insane, evil, murderous deeds that the Bible documents its God to have done. Three (3) of the main world religions: Jews, Christians and Islam all worship the same “One God of Abraham”.
What I walk away from I have mastered. What I cannot walk away from masters me.
The God of the Bible is NOT a good God and the Bible is NOT a good model for Humanity. Other than the Biblical God, Christian believers are just as passionate in rejecting “other gods” as the Atheist is.
In Christianity, the controversial Bible C&Vs are the most important subjects that intelligent persons can investigate and reflect upon.
If you are a sane, logical and reasonable Human Being, knowing these selected Bible Chapters & Verses may make you a non-believer in the Biblical God. You could qualify to be an Atheist.
Each of the Judeo-Christian-Islamic religions invented its own separate, authority-obedience agenda concerning “The One God of Abraham”. For mass obedience and control purposes, these authoritative, domineering, fear-based religions recruit and convert gullible Human Beings to become their authority-worshipers. These religions demand to be loyally served on their terms. Each religion preaches that their one (fictitious) authoritative God will kill you if you do NOT blindly worship and obey their dogma. The Christian religion further invented “God’s Son” who will, after death, send you into Eternal-Torment if you do NOT obey their, murderous, tyrannical God. Zealous converts of these religions will constantly supervise your worshipful attitude and obedience. For some zealous believers, it can amount to unending servitude / slavery. If you DID obey their non-existent God, you will have obeyed and financed them. That is the purpose of their primitive, authority-obedience agenda.
Atheism: The cure for Human Beings to rid ourselves from The God Virus / Jesus Junkies / Allah Addicts.
Euthanasia: Religion condemns euthanasia. After the funeral, someone dead is of no use to most religions. To religion, it is one less “prayer warrior” to recruit more wallets. In Ecclesiastes 10:19 the Bible claims that “money answers all things”. Money proves to be the only “god of consequence” on planet Earth.
GWD: After your death, you will not exist anymore than you remember existing before you were born.
Thomas Jefferson: Honesty is the first chapter in the book of wisdom.
Friedrich Nietzsche: Christianity makes a thousand promises but keeps none.
We Atheists do NOT have to prove that the Biblical God does NOT exist. This fictitious character’s lack of existence proves that it does not exist.
Ask yourself how you could possibly believe in, support, promote and finance the Biblical God (fictitious or not) who is documented in these selected, controversial Bible Chapters & Verses.
As an Atheist, I DO obey secular-criminal-civil law. I do NOT obey religious laws or rules. Religion has NO authority over me. Hell, and Eternal-Torment mean nothing to me.
Mark Twain: It ain’t the parts of the Bible that I can’t understand that bother me, it is the parts that I do understand.
Mark Twain: Never underestimate the power of stupid people in large groups.
Gary DeVaney: A high percentage of stupid is stubborn.
Catholics are notorious for NOT reading the Bible. Most do not know what it contains. They just claim to believe.
An older statistic: There are 68,293,869 Catholics in the United States, and 1.1 billion Catholics worldwide.
As of 20:22, about 20% of people, living in the United States of America, claim to have no religious affiliation. Critical minds, concerning religion, are being triggered. Blind, mindset believers are diminishing.
The Roman Emperor Constantine (272-337) ruled Rome from 307-337. Constantine became emperor because the night before the battle to win Rome, he saw a vision of the Christian cross. He fought in the name of Christianity.
In 325, Constantine summoned the Jewish and Christian clergy and their scribes from the Roman-held lands to write what became the canon, the Jewish and Christian books of “The Bible“. This was the result of Constanine’s “The Counsel of Nicaea” which started in the year 325 AD. The Nicaean participants voted on “The Canon” which were the books to be included in the Bible. Books not voted to be included in the Bible became known as “The Apocrypha“. The Catholic Bible does have 73 books. That is 7 more books than the 66 books in the King James Version. KJV
Those voters also voted for Jesus Christ to be Divine. They voted that Jesus was God.
Jesus Christ became God by the votes of clergy at Constantine’s Council of Nicaea.
Jesus Christ was NOT considered to be God before the Council of Nicaea vote.
Roman Emperor Constantine died in 337 AD.
There were many Counsel meetings starting in 325 to about 394 AD.
How many religions do you belong to?
Is your God the head of your religion?
Is your God the “One God of Abraham”?
The One God of Abraham is the head of the Judeo-Christian-Islamist religions.
God’s C&V behavior: I am the value, I am the authority, I am entitled.
Human Ego behavior: I am the value, I am the authority, I am entitled.
Conclusion: Ego and God are synonymous.
Egos use Gods to supercharge their value, authority and entitlement to influence the fearful, the obedient and the gullible.
If you are a religious believer who claims: “The Biblical God knows it all”, “God is in control” – then, can you explain Human “free-will”?
If just one Human Being truly has “free-will” then God is not in control.
GWD: The mindset belief in a Supernatural God is a simple diagnosis of Chronic Brain Disorder.
A Psychological Evaluation Of The Biblical God
By
Gary DeVaney
“INTELLIGENCE IS CATEGORICAL”
“INSANITY IS CONTAGIOUS”
“The Question Is The Highest Form Of Thought”
Most Christian believers have been preached to and introdoctrinated about the Bible and its God. Some believe just because they want to belong and that it is deemed to be socially fashionable.
When it comes to the selected, controversial C&Vs of the Bible, many believers would declare something like: “I would not believe in Bible controversy even if the controversy were true.”
An expressed belief is a psychological projection. It often is an attempt to will something into reality.
Many expressed beliefs – when measured against reality – are simply lies.
A lie is an expressed attempt to project something that is not real or factual into reality to produce a desired and manipulative effect on others.
The word lie is actually in the middle of the word believe.
I believe always means I do not really know.
Although the selected, controversial Bible C&Vs exist in the believer’s Bible, believers intentionally remain intellectually ignorant and emotionally resistant to their content and meaning.
The question is why? Way are believers resistant to know the content of these selected, controversial Bible C&Vs?
How about: God can’t be wrong? Believer’s can’t be wrong about their God? But, many stories, like miracles in the Bible, cannot be true.
The controversial C&Vs are included in their Bible for all to see, aren’t they? Believers believe their Bible – don’t they?
The horrors and murderous deeds that the Biblical God did are documented by C&V throughout The Old Testament.
Young minds receive this “holy” information and are religiously trained that God is good and that all of God’s murdering is righteous, just, fair, necessary and good. It’s God’s will.
To the faith-based, religious believer:
I am an Atheist.
How does my being an Atheist affect your life?
It should not. It does not.
Can you keep your religion out of my life?
Bible Documented Cannibalism:
II Kings 6:29 So we boiled my son and did eat him. And I said to her on the next day, give your son, that we may eat him. But she had hid her son.
What a Holy, God-Inspired Bible!
Abraham Lincoln: No man is good enough to govern another without that other’s consent.
Socrates: When the debate is lost, slander becomes the tool of the loser.
Believers personally experience the righteous deaths of millions at God’s hand and then believers praise God for his power and for His murderous deeds. The Human conscientiousness becomes morally compromised. The Human value system unknowingly becomes distorted and biased. The believer consciously and unconsciously learns to praise the murderous God at all costs and to hate what he or she is told to hate. Is behavioral insanity taught and contageous?
Because of what God did in the Bible, when exposed, believers experience dilemma and psychological trauma.
The biggest source of Biblical “truth” comes to believers from preaching clergy, not the Bible. Most clergy cherry-pick what they preach from the C&Vs of the Bible. Most don’t mention the controversial or the “bad” parts.
The true source of C&V “fact” comes from contradictory Bible C&Vs, not from “schmoozing” clergy.
For some deep thinkers, who do question the Biblical God and His Bible, it is not surprising they become Atheists.
An Atheist simply has no evidence of a supernatural God.
Why do believers resist selected, controversial Bible C&V information, the documentation that what the murderous God did is true?
Collectively, as a nation, we succumb to the peer pressure of zealous, might-makes-right, you are either with me or against me, fear inflicting believers. “If you don’t believe – you will go to Hell!”
As Humans, we each have a world view that is persistently drilled into us by religion, dictated by clergy, parents and other authoritative bosses, our environment and by surrounding believers.
The murderous Bible C&Vs show the murderous God to not be a good God. Yet, believers resist these documented Bible C&Vs as if they were not true. When believers receive information that does not conform to their programmed world view, they respond in denial, avoidance, righteous indignation, hostility. Why?
First the believer is programmed that God is good and perfect in every way. Then, some Atheist exposes Bible C&V evidence that proves that God is murderous and evil. The C&V evidence proves that God is not perfect, not good – in fact – evil.
God’s documented Bible C&V murders make many believers view situational murder to be correct, righteous and good.
Upon being confronted with this blasphemous information, the believer starts to feel confused, uncomfortable and vulnerable.
They resent the messenger who exposed these controversial Bible C&Vs to them. Why? They believe the whole Bible – don’t they?
Fundamental Biblical criticism presents selected, controversial C&V facts that God is not good. For the believer, exposing these controversial C&Vs creates believer fear and anxiety. Instead of the believer debating these C&Vs, this confrontation can lead him or her into lashing out with hostility. Authoritative denial usually kicks in. Confused believers don’t know what to think. They don’t want to think. They want to believe.
Perspective: Left brain and Ego cannot be wrong. When confronted, anger and an irrational attack mode becomes a priority. Many believers feel as if their ego’s mind-set, belief-supported authority has been defiled. The believer’s critical mind, their desire to question and to think shuts down. Believer vengeance becomes a priority. Most believers just deny any deviation from their mind-set belief and move on with their lives. They deny any new evidence and stick to their original story. Believers are conservatives in that they are resistant to change. Believers then wait to when they feel their ego be back in charge. Believers do not want to be open-minded. Believers want to be right.
Believers want their beliefs to be their mental and emotional “home” and they, like vicious junk-yard dogs, will territorially protect their “home” at all costs. Don’t mess with me! Don’t mess with my home! Do not defy my assumed authority! The more well-researched and accurate the debate facts are, the more sick, emotional and angry the mind-set believer becomes. The mind-set beliefs seek clergy support to reinforcement their remaining correct and by disregarding, denying and avoiding any evidence to the contrary.
Many believers have not based their beliefs on the Bible’s controversial C&Vs. They bought into the feel-good dogma of clergy, often followed up by threats of imaginary Hell’s Eternal-Tormnent. Once established and committed to – they don’t feel compelled to seek the Bible C&Vs that would disrupt their beliefs. Most believers reluctantly glance at “The God Murders” website and then run, rarely to return.
They would never educate themselves nor educate others as to what the Bible documents in contrast to their feel-good mind-set beliefs. For the mind-set believer to consider that God is evil causes mental confusion and emotional pain. Righteous denial and avoidance become the pattern. For a believer to allow their beliefs in God to be destroyed severely alters their view of the world they live in. They could emotionally react as if it was frightening beyond their ability to cope. Mindset believers were mentally trained and emotionally conditioned to feel and react that way.
Feel-good believers do not want to know the controversial C&V truth in fear of an existential experience that they would lose their identity. If the new information would prove to be true, they fear that their world would become too different and too confusing and scary to cope with. Their strength would become weakness. They are fooled to believe that ss long as they have faith and believe – and not know – they cannot be wrong. They fight to not know in fear that the pain would damage them. This may cause the need for professional, mental / emotional therapy instead of being dogmatically preached and lied to.
Bad beliefs, behaviors and habits keep believers miserable. Like a destructive gambling habit, they sacredly and irrationally protect their bad beliefs, behaviors and habits. They wrongly feel that they do not fit in the world they live in. Behold, the existential experience.
Empirically educated people say: Show me the evidence and, if convincing, I will change my mind.
Believers insist: This is the way God works. What I am told to believe. I believe! The controversial Bible C&V evidence does not fit into what I have committed to and decided. So, I don’t need to look at the evidence because I have decided what I believe is right.
Wishful and fearful thinkers will not believe something different from what they fear to be the truth. That could be a powerful factor in people denying the truth.
Hardball contributions of religion: Religious, programmed beliefs constantly recycle. Some conservative and mindset beliefs of a jealous, vengeful, angry God recycle as unchanging, often imaginaryguilt and misery destroying their existence.
This belief has become their worldview.
Their religion has made them paralyzed with fear and paranoid of everyday life.
They feel that happiness and opportunity cannot be gambled on. They feel that imaginary evil has a grip on them, and that they desperately need their imaginary savior.
They had to buy into the programmed belief that they should fear God and that God would save them.
Ironically, no matter what ill fate might happen to them, many will still figuratively lick the hand that kills them.
When someone says: “I refuse to not believe”, you can be sure that any contradictory evidence coming their way is not bearable and conflicts with their world view and their comfort zone. Denial is automatic and the believers feel avoidance of new information protects their beliefs.
Most Atheists do not fail to see the Biblical God’s flaws by C&V documentation. I see no evidence of the Biblical God’s existence. Now, I have no belief in God, no fear of God nor love for God. I have evolved, by education, to become an Atheist.
What is common in avoiding and denying believer’s is emotional fear. They are afraid of rejection, scorn and loss. They’re afraid of change. They are afraid to be wrong. Some are actually afraid that they will suffer Eternal Torment. Some cannot change their mind so to please their parents and friends. Some can’t change because they can’t be found guilty of passing false dogma onto their children. Some are afraid of becoming helpless and vulnerable. Some are actually afraid of the non-existent Biblical God. Some are afraid they will lose being who they are.
When mind-set believers feel that their beliefs are being challenged and confronted – because they don’t want to feel helpless and vulnerable – they quickly or eventually experience outrage and anger.
When a mind-set believer becomes frightened and angry, they want to avoid the facts as if they do not exist and attack the debater / messenger. Mind-set believers want to censor the messenger. When that cannot be done, angry believers then threaten, condemn, cut and run. They try to erase the experience and deny that it ever happened.
Healing takes place when one faces the truth. To experience the truth, to allow the feelings to manifest and to allow one’s self to explore the new information and facts is the healthy solution. To let the light shine on all the facts begins the healing process. It is painful to admit that you have lived a lie and that you have passed the lie onto others – especially loved ones who trusted you.
Mental-emotional recovery results when documented facts replace false beliefs.
Mind-set believers do not want to be exposed to controversial Bible C&V facts because they do not want to replace their mind-set beliefs. Their authoritative / defensive ego will not allow itself to be wrong.
I prefer facts. Facts don’t care who agrees or disagrees with them. Facts stand the test of time and reality. Truth, like faith and belief, always has an ego attachment. Truth usually demands acceptance by threat. Screw truth. I’ll take my chances with unbiased facts. GWD
Once suspicious, the least painless way to recover from confusion and error is to uncover the truth / facts on you own, your own way. At that moment, do not listen to any other Human Being. Research the documented Bible C&V facts and make up your own mind. In case of the Bible – the truth lies between you and the Bible.
The believer’s inability to see the evil side of the Biblical God can also make them incapable of seeing their own evil side. There are a lot of mind-set Christian believers on death-row who wonder how they got there. Somehow they felt entitled to take another Human life. The Biblical God murdered with immunity – and their gullible ego – whose job is to be more than it is – was programmed to become God-like. Anyone can make a mistake. Doing the right thing has a chance to correct a mistake.
The God of the Bible is not a good God and the Bible is not a good model for Humanity.
Genetic ego does believe in, support and promote itself – if it’s healthy. The Biblical God’s ego obviously believes in itself. However, the Biblical God does not believe in another God – ergo, the Biblical God is an Atheist.
George W. Blye: Believers, who have faith in god, have no conscious concerning Human decency.
Bill Maher: “When I hear from people that religion doesn’t hurt anything, I say, really? Well besides wars, the Crusades, the Inquisitions, 9-11, ethnic cleansing, the suppression of women, the suppression of homosexuals, fatwas, honor killings, suicide bombings, arranged marriages to minors, human sacrifice, burning witches, and systematic sex with children, I have a few little quibbles. And I forgot blowing up girl schools in Afghanistan.”
God Behavior & Ego Behavior
God behavior: I am the value. I am the authority. I am entitled.
Ego behavior: I am the value. I am the authority. I am entitled.
Ego & God are synonymous.
Competing Religious Practices
I demand that you live by my values in your life – with me being the center of those values.
I trust that you will discard your values in favor of my values and ultimately serve me on my terms.
I demand and trust that you will be submissive to my assumed authority.
If you are not willing to do that – I don’t trust you.
If you betray my trust, my Ego / God will condemn you – even to “Eternal Torment”.
Religion best benefits con-men at the expense of fools.
Often, in Bible C&V debate, a believer will say: I will ask my preacher what the Bible says. I suggest that you do not check out the Bible with your preacher. I suggest that you check out your preacher with the Bible. Do not believe me or any other man. Read and learn what the Bible documents, C&V, for yourself. If you view that the Bible does not say and / or mean what the Bible C&Vs I have selected state, submit your correction and, if valid, the correction will be made on this website. For your correction, you will also be sincerely thanked.
Believer Challenges To Atheists:
What? You’re an Atheist? But you’re so nice!
So, why do you hate God?
So, you worship the Devil then… you don’t? But, you believe in Satan… no?
Look, I understand that you are just going through a phase and deep down you really believe.
But, you still believe in Jesus… right?
Come on, you never were a true believer.
But, how can you even love if you don’t believe in God?
Wow, your life must be pathetic and meaningless.
So why do you even bother to live?
So, what exactly do you believe in then?
What you don’t understand is that it takes more faith not to believe in God.
What if you are wrong? It’s really a long time in Hell.
Whoa, stop! The Bible is not meant to be taken literally. Have you even read the Bible?
How can you be a moral person?
If there is no God, there is nobody to tell not to run around and kill people… right?
Well, I think you will change your mind when you have kids of your own.
You are going to go to Hell.
I’ll pray for you.
God’s Jealousy & Love:
1 Corinthians 13:4 Love is patient. Love is kind.
1 John 4:16 – And we have known and believed the love that God hath to us. GOD IS LOVE; and he that dwells in love dwells in God, and God in him.
Deuteronomy 6:15 for the LORD YOUR GOD, who is among you, is a JEALOUS GOD and His anger will burn against you, and He will destroy you from the face of the land.
God is love – love is NOT jealous – but god IS jealous. If god IS love, then either jealousy IS love, or god is NOT love.
Oh, what to believe… What a contradictory and confusing model God and the Bible is for Humanity.
Deuteronomy 11:13 God said: I command you this day to love your God and serve Him with all your heart and soul.
God Commanded:Love & Serve Your God With All Your Heart & Soul?
Is your “love” something that you can be commanded or demanded to feel and give? What if you do not and can not love what you are tyrannically commanded to love? Do you think that you should suffer “Eternal Torment” for that? What if you try to love God but God, on judgment day, judged that you faked it? If we all “fall short”, where does that leave you and me?
After a believer knows all the murderous and insane deeds that the Biblical God is documented C&V to have done, if the believer still believes in, worships, supports, promotes and finances this Biblical God / Character, it doesn’t say much about the fictitious God but it does say much about the authoritative, disciplining attitude of the believer toward other human beings.
Are these Bible C&Vs “God’s Word” or not? If so, why don’t believers stand up for them when critical Issue is taken with them.
Disclaimer: I, Gary DeVaney am not The Atheist Maker. The Bible itself is The Atheist Maker. I did notwrite the Bible – did I? I am not responsible for what the Bible documents – am I? I am not responsible for how readers feel about what the Bible documents – am I? I simply read the Bible. I highlighted and dared to share the controversial Bible C&Vs that my human sense of right and wrong took issue with.
No need to buy a book. This website freely displays what I found so you do not have to commit or spend over20,000 hours to know what I have documented.
Intelligence is categorical. In Biblical debate, ignorance is measurable. Silence and topical avoidance is popular. Specifically – concerning religion – delusion is wrong.
Ignorance Is The Fuel Of Faith
Knowledge Is Fatal To Religion
Most Christians, especially clergy, will not debate the Biblical God nor the Bible’s controversial Chapters and Verses. They neither have the courage to try nor the knowledge or the debate tools to successfully do so. If you should take issue with the Biblical God’s murderous deeds or the Bible’s controversial C&Vs, they will totally disregard the C&V topic taken issue with and they will hatefully attack the issue-taker. They will authoritatively preach at you or threaten you. But, they will always fail to debate the Biblical God’s murderous deeds or the controversial C&Vs with you.
Experienced fundamentalist Christian ministers will run from a controversial Bible C&V debate as they solidly know what the Bible documents and they know that their defending those selected C&Vs will prove that they are “psychopaths” who prove to be categorically insane.
Typically, Christians and clergy alike, will authoritatively threaten, insult, disparage and do a hostel retreat from someone who challenges them to debate his or her selected and controversial C&Vs of the Bible.
The Judeo-Christian-Islamic religions want their believer’s to have less and less say and control over their lives so that their fictitious God can have more and more control over their lives. Dictatorial governments love that. The United States Government loves that.
Authority Worship
By
Gary DeVaney
The non-existence of God is evidence that God does not exist.
If you open an empty box, it is evident that the box is empty.
To claim that something exists when it does not is a control and gullibility test. If you prove to believe nonsense – you are more easily manipulated to believe and obey anything.
Religion is authority worship. If you can be made to believe in a false authority, an assumed authority can more easily step in and successfully control you. Authority worshippers love that.
Egos worship authority in hopes of becoming an authority to be obeyed, respected and worshipped.
Judeo-Christian-Islamic religions are fear-based authority / obedience competitions.
Religions are primitive politics designed to control the obedience and the servitude of their believing masses.
The Biblical God’s Evil / Insane Character / Deeds
By
Gary DeVaney
In reality, there is no evidence that the Biblical God currently exists or ever existed.
There is only evidence that “belief in the Biblical God” does exist.
“I believe” always means “I don’t know”. If one honestly knows, one says “I know”. Why would an honest, questioning thinker buy into the “I don’t knows” of a believer?
“I believe” is not dependable because it could mean a hundred different things like – “I want”, “I hope”, “I pretend”, “I promote”, “I support”, “I vote”, “I manipulate”, “I expect” and most of all “I gamble”.
Why would an intelligent Human Being buy into a believer’s gambles? When push comes to reality shove, a believers usually cops-out when caught being wrong concerning their authoritative belief with: “I didn’t say I knew it, I said I believed it.”
“I believe” often proves to mean “I Lie”. Believe = Be-lie-ve. Lie is in the center of believe. “I believe” exposes the center of belief to be lie. But, when a believer is proved to be wrong, they claim that they only believed. They did not claim to know so they righteously claim that they did not lie.
To have faith is to blindly trust a predicted, generally positive, unknown. What sane Human Being would do that?
Religious snake handlers have insane, positive faith that they will not suffer snake-bite.
Concerning religion: “I Believe” mostly means “I Pretend”.
Believers attempt to “will things into reality”.
Peter 3:15 (The Bible’s direction to the believer) Always be prepared to give an answer to everyone who asks you to give a reason for the hope that you have…
According to the Bible, if you are a believer, you are to answer why you have hope concerning each controversial C&V questioned. Ergo, if you fail to answer why you have hope concerning controversial Bible questions, you fail to do what your Biblical God expects of you. Put it on the table. Get it out in the open. Focus on the topic. Debate the specific chapter and verse issue specified. If you find that your mind and / or your “will” avoids the topic or rushes to vacate or to introduce an unrelated challenge, can you rationally explain why.
Galatians 2: 21 Paul: If righteousness come by the law, then Christ is dead in vain.
Jesus and Peter supported the law. Paul did not.
Chuang Tzu: “To be truly ignorant, be content with your own knowledge.”
To be truly stupid is to have blind faith.
These selected Bible Chapter & Verses are taken issue with because many believers have “Biblical Amnesia” concerning them. This is to remind them just how shocking their “Holy Bible” is.
Malachi 1:3 God said: I loved Jacob but hated Esau. Catholic
Romans 9:13 As it is written, “Jacob have I loved but Esau have I hated”. KJV
Don’t these sacred Bible C&Vs document that God does hate and that God does shown favoritism? Check your integrity, now.
Malachi 2:2-3 The Biblical God said: I will send a curse upon you. I will curse your blessings. Yes, I have cursed them already. Behold, I will corrupt your seed and spread dung (shit) upon your faces…
Can you imagine this Biblical God crapping in His hand and smearing it all over your face? Can this truly be your Biblical “God of Love”? Can you explain how?
Many believers support God’s agenda to inflict evil upon a human soul / life in order to prove the Human’s character and the steadfastness of his faith. The “know-it-all” Biblical God cannot know who He will choose to serve Him for eternity without putting evil on Humans to test their sacrifice, love, servitude and willingness to be God’s slave for eternity.
Deuteronomy 21:18-21 God commanded: If a father has a stubborn, rebellious son, murder the son.
How many men would reach adulthood if this command was obeyed?
Hosea 13:16 They shall fall by the sword, their little ones shall be dashed to pieces, their expectant mothers shall be ripped open.
So, if you are a practicing believer, is this the God you hold sacred in your heart? Yes or no? Would you dutifully obey and rip expectant mothers open and dash their little ones to pieces? Can you dare visualize this? How would you respond if God ordered others to do this to your family?
George Bernard Shaw: “No man ever believes that the Bible means what it says; he is always convinced that it says what he means.”
Believers, typically, do anything and everything to resist topically debating the Biblical God or the Bible, C&V. Some authoritatively and arrogantly behave: Can’t beat them? Rewrite the rules of the game and after threatening and demonizing the opponent – call it a success.
When a Bible critic takes issue with the Biblical God’s murdering thousands of people at a time to fulfill His personal agendas, zealous believers respond: So what? He is God. No, mister believer. Without your evidence of a God, that’s your own programmed, covert, imperialistic, egocentric and murderous attitude.
In the Bible, did Satan or the Devil order anyone to kill children or to rip open the bodies of pregnant women?
No! Even though the Biblical God admits, C&V, that He is responsible for all the evil Bible C&V murdering, believers claim that Satan does all the murdering. Believers are programmed to be so afraid of God, they will righteously blame anything and everything but God.
But, the Biblical God did all the murdering. Based upon the deeds depicted C&V in the Bible of God and of Satan, which one would you be more afraid to baby sit your kids or to be educated by or cared for? If fair and just laws, and their consequences, were in place, known and supported by all, and death were known and accepted to be the end of the line, then, for what rational purpose would there be this God?
Isaiah 45:7 I, the Lord, make peace and create evil.
It Is God Who Creates Evil?
Who? What? God creates evil? Did you know that the Holy Bible states C&V that Its God creates evil? Shocking! However, if you create evil – like by murdering someone -wouldn’t you prove to be Godlike? Yes.
Have you noticed that believer’s behave as if they were oblivious to controversial C&Vs?
Charlie Chaplin: “By simple common sense, I do not believe in God.”
Thomas Jefferson: Question with boldness even the existence of a God; because, if there be one, he must more approve of the homage of reason, then that of blindfolded fear.
Bart Floyd: “The reason there are so many religious beliefs is because there is NO religious truth.”
Believers claim that God can do anything. Can God forgive Satan? As long as one won’t – one can’t. Or – is God Satan – in an evil mood?
Micah: 2:3 God said: I am planning against this race an evil…
So, obviously God is a racist by documented Bible C&V and God plans evil. Did you know that your favorite God was a racist?
Deuteronomy 22:28-29 If a man happens to meet a virgin who is not pledged to be married and rapes her and they are discovered, he shall pay the girl’s father fifty shekels of silver. He must marry the girl, for he has violated her. He can never divorce her as long as he lives.
Behold, according to the “Good Book’s” direction, rape a virgin in public that you want to marry, pay the fine, or buy her as you would a slave and she is yours. The woman has no say in the matter. The “Good Book” and Its “great” God certainly prove to be righteous models – don’t they?
Sirach: 46:7-8 Caleb and Jacob were the only two (2) spared out of the 600,000 infantry. Catholic
To have 603,550 troops over 20-years-old, Moses took about 3 million (Torah Notes) of God’s “Chosen People” out of Egypt. So – all but Caleb and Jacob survive out of the 3 million! That means God killed almost all of the 3 million human beings that He lead out of Egypt. Because God marched His “Chosen People” around to die in the desert, of those generations, none but Caleb and Jacob made it into “The Promised Land” according to C&V scripture. That would prove that God broke His promises to millions of His “Chosen People”. Because God’s “Chosen People” refused to murder all the people in order to steal their land, God murdered His Own people in the desert. Obviously, “The Promised Land” was not God’s gift to His “Chosen” as they had to obey God by murdering all “The Promised Land’s” owners. The Biblical God also denied Moses, His chosen leader, to enter “The Promised Land”. Moses, died.
Would you want to work for this kind of insane God?
Thomas Jefferson: “Religions are all alike, founded upon fables and mythologies.”
Isaiah 66:2-4 God said: The one I approve is the lowly, afflicted man who trembles at my word. Merely slaughtering an ox is like slaying a man; sacrificing a lamb like breaking a dog’s neck.
The Biblical God requires that you to fear and tremble. That obviously makes God happy. Sometimes this God comes across as an egocentric little Ego who wants to come across as a fearful monster. This God rules through jealousy, wrath, murder, fear and intimidation. Some believers are so fearful of the Biblical God that they call their fear love. That’s first-degree dyslexia.
Lamentations 3:38 Is it not from the most high that good and evil come?
Again, the Biblical God, “the most high”, is targeted to be behind the evil that happens. Does God have a split-personality and an altar-ego? God seems to be the heads and tails of the same coin.
II Chronicles 21:14-15: Behold, with a great plague will God smite your people and your children and your wives and all your goods. And you shall have great sickness by disease of your bowels until your bowels fall out by reason of sickness day by day.
God Smites People With Plague?
G: The Biblical God proves to a sadistic terrorist concerning wives and children.
The DeVaney Challenge
“Other than the myth of creation, what “good” did the Biblical God do for someone without hurting another?”
Get out a notepad and see if you can list just a few good things that the Biblical God did, C&V, for people without hurting some one else. Bet you can’t. If that be the case, how do you claim the Biblical God to be a “good” God?
Currently, in the year 2010, the United States of America – a self-proclaimed “Christian nation” – 1 out of about 137 Christians are incarcerated in the prison system. As sacred models, that is the success that the Judeo-Christian God, His Savior, Jesus Christ and their Bible have produced. As models for Humanity – it is time for them to go.
Is Hell Unwanted Accountable Time?
Don’t prisons “quarantine” those individuals whose harmful feeling had proven to let them down so that those uncontrolled feelings could no longer harm society? What about God’s jealous, vengeful, hostile, murderous and harmful feelings? God proved, C&V, to be the most miserable and violent Character in the entire Bible.
Karl Marx: “The first requisite of the happiness of the people is the abolition of religion.”
Religion: An authoritative tool used by “assumed authority” to control the stupid.
Do you know all the real Atheists?
Do you insist that there is there only one God?
Do other people claim that there are other gods?
Are you an Atheist to all those other Gods?
Is Jesus Christ God?
Is Jesus Christ the “One God of Abraham”?
Can you logically explain how Jesus Christ and His father are one God?
Did Abraham know about, worship or speak about Jesus Christ?
In a survey of the belief in 100 Gods, Jews, Islamists and Christians proved to be 99% Atheists.
If Jesus Christ is “The One And The Only God Of Abraham” and because the Jewish and Muslims religions deny that Jesus Christ is God, then, the Jews and the Muslims all prove to be Atheists.
From David Armstrong (Australia): Another useful verse, which serves to indict Yahweh rather than Satan, in the story of Job, is the following verse:
Job 42:11 Then came to him all his brothers and sisters and all who had known him before, and ate bread with him in his house; and they showed him sympathy and comforted him for all the evil that the LORD had brought upon him; and each of them gave him a piece of money and a ring of gold. RSV
This verse plainly reveals that Satan was merely being used by God as a servant, or instrument, to inflict all the violence and suffering on Job, his dead children and servants. It further strengthens the case that it was God, rather than Satan, who bears the responsibility for all the suffering in this disgraceful story.
Thank you, David Armstrong!
Amos 3:6 Shall there be evil in a city; the Lord hath not done it?
This Biblical God appears to be of hideous intelligence – whose deeds prove to be mostly aggressive and destructive. Could this God be, in modern slang, considered to be a “sicko” or a “wacko”?
Abu Ala Al-Ma’arri: “There are two classes of men: intelligent men without religion and religious men without intelligence.”
Evil refers to bad or immoral deeds. Why else, in the dictionary, would the word evil be placed opposite the word good?
Jeremiah 26:3 & 36:3 God says redundantly: That I may repent of the evil, which I purpose to do to them because of the evil of their doings.
Obviously, this indicates that evil must be included in God’s plan. How come the responsibility of committing sins lie with the imperfect creature and not with the imperfect creator? Chapter and verse, what evil role did “Satan” play anywhere in the Bible? The Biblical God did it all. In Job 2:3, God took the hit for Job’s misery concerning the murdering of Job’s children and his servants. And, God proved to be enticed / tempted by Satan. Can you document anywhere else in the Bible, C&V, where any character called “Satan” is even accused to have taken (by name) any individual’s life? Do so and you will make history as God reserves that hideous “pleasure” for Himself. God did use “Death Angels”. One reason people worship God is because they are successfully programmed to fear this heinous creature – fictitious or not.
I Samuel 16:2 (God orders a lie): Samuel says: How can I go? If Saul hear it he will kill me.
God said to Samuel: Take a heifer and say: I came to sacrifice to the Lord.
Could You Slaughter This Animal for God?
Behold: God actually tells Samuel to lie and what words to use in the lie. Samuel’s true agenda was to meet David, a son of Jesse, and anoint him King of Israel. It was not to sacrifice a heifer to God.
Believer: “He did not! God would never lie or suggest for another to lie on His behalf.”
Henry Mencken: A man full of faith is simply a man who has lost the capacity for clear and realistic thought.
This typical attitude proves that believers’ minds do deceive them. Categorically, believer’s avoid being in touch with reality.
Believer’s tend to attach their egos to their God, President, company, team or love-object. When criticized, believers blindly defend those criteria as if they were defending their own egos. Have you ever been shocked by or have you taken offense with anything God is reported to have done as documented by these selected Bible C&Vs? If someone other than God had done these evil, insane, murderous deeds, would you have taken offense with him or her? Can you explain your fear-based attitude even to yourself?
“Faith”: The programmed effort to believe that which your common sense tells you is not true.
Insecure people tend to promote guilt in others in an attempt to improve their own security.
“Jesus Christ” means “Savior Anointed”
Jesus Christ is a title – not a proper name.
“God” is the title of the first corporation. A corporation is a fictitious entity with bylaws and an agenda. Is Jesus Christ / The Holy Ghost titles of fictitious board-members? Satan serves as a fictitious adversary to gain emotional, financial support and power through committed strength in numbers. The consequence of not believing in, worshipping, promoting, supporting, obeying and financing this corporation is death, and after death, eternal-torment.
Is Jesus Christ the Old Testament Biblical God? Jews, Christians and Islamics believe their Biblical God is “The One God of Abraham”. Is Jesus Christ “The One God of Abraham”? Jews and Islamics do not believe that Jesus Christ is God / “The One God of Abraham”. Obviously, no one claims that Jesus Christ IS “The One God of Abraham”. Then, how can Jesus BE the Old Testament God? If Jesus Christ is NOT the Old Testament God, then Jesus Christ is NOT God.
A corporation is a Human invention, a fictitious entity with “bylaws” (like 613 commandments), an “agenda” (to control all believers) and “legal” (with assumed authority and pretended consequences). The US Supreme Court has given the corporation the same rights as the Human Being.
Trans World Airlines (TWA) was once a legitimate Airline corporation. TWA did exist but it does not exist today any more than the Biblical God – not that the Biblical God ever existed in reality.
Human Beings tend to lead others by first demanding a leader. Once that is successful, the master / slave agenda becomes contagious. It is easy to claim your “sacred” leader to be anything you want your leader to be when your leader is fictitious. An authoritative agenda, with demanded consequences, does prove to be successful when that authoritative agenda is feared by frightened believers and obeyed by motivated authority worshippers. GWD
Ernest Hemingway: All thinking men are Atheists.
Ernest Hemingway
If, to know the distinction between good and bad is what it means to be like God, then to choose destructive and evil choices against human-beings and other life-forms is also what it means to be like God, as evidence in Biblical documentation. I don’t care if the Bible is historical, literature, fantasy, or fiction, it is the evil God-model toward humanity that I focus on and expose, C&V, for all to see.
I did not write the Bible. I am not responsible for what the Bible says. I am not responsible for how people feel about what the Bible says. I just read and studied the Bible and did an accurate C&V book report. As long as just one copy of the Bible remains; the evidence, Chapter and Verse, will not go away and this criticism will stand and will prove to be integral. GWD
Would the Biblical God be evil? Which, Good or Evil entity, would do the following things:
Would the Biblical God or an evil entity order a father to sacrifice his son?
Pause and reflect: Even your war-waging U.S. Government does that.
Did the “GOOD” Biblical God or the “EVIL” Satan plan and actually orchestrate His agenda to torture and sacrifice His Own Son?
Would the Biblical God or an evil entity create a species then condemn that species to Eternal-Damnation, suffering and punishment for disobedience to criminal / murderous demands?
Would the Biblical God or an evil entity play favorites and provide an unfair playing field when lives are at stake?
Homer Simpson: “Suppose we’ve chosen the wrong God. Every time we go to church, we’re just making Him madder.”
Homer Simpson
Would the Biblical God or an evil entity have people born with a painful disease only to suffer and die of it?
Would the Biblical God or an evil entity create plagues, holocausts, wars and famines to murder It’s creations?
Would the Biblical God or an evil entity order the murder of men, women and children in order to steal their lands?
Karl Marx: “Religion is the opium of the masses.”
Karl Marx
Tom Robbins: “Religion is not merely the opium of the masses, it the cyanide.”
Would the Biblical God or an evil entity require human and animal sacrifices because It liked to smell the burning fat around their guts?
Would the Biblical God or an evil entity create more evil?
John Adams: This would be the best of all possible worlds if there were no religion in it.
Would the Biblical God or an evil entity lie and break promises?
Would the Biblical God or an evil entity promote and sanction slavery?
Would the Biblical God punish children for their fathers’ sins.
Would the Biblical God or an evil entity punish innocent children for the sins of their fathers – and then lie about it?
Would the Biblical God or an evil entity strike people blind?
Would the Biblical God or an evil entity degrade deformed people?
Would the Biblical God or an evil entity punish many for the acts of one?
Would the Biblical God or an evil entity punish one for the acts of many?
Would the Biblical God or an evil entity turn against His own people when things didn’t go His way.
Thomas Paine: Of all the tyrannies that inflict mankind, tyranny in religion is the worst.
If just one person on planet Earth truly has “free-will”, God is NOT in control. If God truly does NOT change, God has NO free will.
Would the Biblical God or an evil entity murder a whole nation’s first-born babies?
Would the Biblical God or an evil entity drown all life forms, sparing a chosen few?
Would the Biblical God or an evil entity rip pregnant women open and dash their unborn babies to pieces?
Would the Biblical God or an evil entity hate one child and love another?
Would the Biblical God or an evil entity torture and murder people just to show them whose boss?
Would the Biblical God or an evil entity murder someone who tried to prevent a wagon from tipping over?
Would the Biblical God or an evil entity tell you to murder every man, woman and child or He would do to you what He thought to do to them?
What kind of God or Satan – Lord or Devil does these things?
Hint: Only an evil entity would say and do these things.
Probably, you would have been a better God.
Here are a few more Bible facts for you to explain your hope. If you fail to respond, according to the Bible, you fail the Bible.
God created evil. Evil came from the Lord.
God deceived and God told people to lie.
Thomas Paine: “The greatest miseries that have afflicted the human race have had their origin in this thing called religion.”
Thomas Paine
Zora Hurston: “God’s always behave like the people who create them.”
Zora Hurston
Upon Elijah’s request, God had 2 she-bears tear 42 children to pieces.
Mark Twain: “Faith is believing in something you know ain’t true.”
Mark Twain
John Stuart Mill: “The time appears to me to have come when it is the duty of all to make their dissent from religion known.”
John Stewart Mill
Jesse Ventura: Religion is a sham and a crutch for weak-minded people who need strength in numbers.
Jesse Ventura
So mote it be with God and the C&V claims of His Bible….
Titus 1:2 Says: God never lies.
What? Shall we believe Titus or our own lying eyes? Titus obviously lied by stating this. He must truly be one of God’s inspired writers.
Practicing Christians want obedience. They try to supervise and discipline all who are in their atmosphere. They usually threaten God’s vengeance and “Eternal Damnation” for those who do not conform to their imposed Christian dogma.
Islamists are obligated to attack those who insult Allah, Mohamud and their religion. Islamists tend to react more violently than Christians.
H. L. Mencken: “Theology: An effort to explain the unknowable by putting it into terms not worth knowing.”
H. L. Mencken
Jeremiah 51:20-23 God said: You are My weapon of war. With you, I shatter (murder) nations, kingdoms, horse and rider, chariot and driver, man and wife, old and young, youth and maiden, the shepherd and his flock.
Religion is a pack mentality. It’s like a pack of groveling dogs licking their chains.
Are Human Beings but slaves to their genetic feelings? When a persons feelings cause things to go wrong, bad or hurtful for themselves and / or others, didn’t their feelings let them down? Don’t psychiatrists “shrink” egos by using drugs and therapy for feelings-management? This God needed therapy.
Most religions prove to be of a master-slave / authority – obedience mentality.
Believer / Atheist
You might emotionally accept anything and intellectually understand nothing. Doesn’t that mostly define a believer?
Doesn’t much of “I believe” mean “I obey”? Is that why an authoritarian demands that someone – whom they want authority over – believes?
A reason that authoritative religious believers don’t care for Atheists is because Atheists believe little and obey even less.
Lucretius: “Fear is the mother of all Gods.”
By law, a rich man can not intentionally destroy his own ship out at sea knowing there are people on it. Should they die, the owner would be guilty of murder. Nor can God murder people by selfish agenda and have me support Him in a moral or legal debate. I will agree with you when it does not compromise my integrity. My loyalty is to reality – not some heinous God.
When you tell the truth – you don’t have to remember what you said.
Jean Anouilh: “Every man thinks God is on his side. The rich and powerful know He is.”
Jean Anouilh
The United States of America is NOT a country of Gods. It is NOT a country of men. It IS a country of laws. Under the Constitutional laws of the United States of America, the God / Character would be tried for the heinous crimes He is documented, Chapter and Verse, to have done.
II Chronicles 18:22 The Lord hath put a lying spirit in the mouth of thy prophets.
Jeremiah 20:7 Oh Lord, Thou hast deceived me, and I was deceived.
Faith is the shallowest and the most nonsense answer to the most meaningful questions.
THE BIBLICAL GOD WAS TEMPTED BY SATAN
Job 2-3 God said to Satan: Have you (Satan) considered my servant Job, that there is none like him in the earth, a perfect and an upright man, one that fears God, and resists evil? and still he holds fast his integrity, although you (Satan) moved / enticed / tempted Me (God) against him (Job), to destroy him (Job) without cause.
This is Bible C&V evidence that the Biblical God was moved / enticed / tempted (depending which Bible version you use) by Satan.
Isn’t the Biblical God a tyrannical hypocrite to send you and me into Hell’s Eternal-Torment for being tempted by Satan when God, Himself, is guilty of being successfully tempted / or being moved / or enticed by Satan?
Sigmund Freud: “Religion belonged to the infancy of humanity. Now that humanity has become of age, it should be left behind.”
Sigmund Freud
II Thessalonians 2:11 God sends upon them a strong delusion, to make them believe what is false.
How could the Bible be “God’s Word” when it admits, chapter and verse, that God was a deceiver and a swindler of people? By these acts, God is the perfect model of a liar, which teaches followers to lie in direct violation of His Own 9th commandment. Maybe that is the sacred model and the permission for a Government’s lying to its people.
Does the Catholic Church reject, condemn and excommunicate women who take steps to become a Priest? Does the Jewish religion forbid women from becoming Rabbis? How much stricter is Islam against the rights of Islamic women? Many of them get stoned to death if caught driving a car. The Judeo-Christian-Islamic Religions proves to be morally unjust, selectively bias, structurally corrupt, culturally illegal and mentally insane in the treatment of their believers.
Does the US Government condemn gays and give tax breaks to Religions that condemn homosexuals?
Isaiah 14:21 Make ready to slaughter his sons for the guilt of their fathers…
The “God-inspired” book of Isaiah documents that God orders children killed for the guilt’s / sins of their fathers.
“The God Murders” website exposes and debates the controversial C&Vs of the Bible. Believers attempt to stop Bible critics from doing that. The practicing believer will not acknowledge, nor attempt to debate the controversial Bible C&V that are taken issue with. Most believers will instead preach indignation and threaten Eternal-Damnation.
Practicing Christian believers assume that they have the right and the authority to discipline and supervise others – and that means you and me. Believers, in essence, demand: “Be like me or else”.
Religion is primitive politics. Authoritative religion is popular today because primitive religion once successfully governed mankind with a heavy God-fearing hand. During the murderous Inquisitions and Crusades, the Catholic Church ruled and slaughtered godzillions of non-believers in what is now Europe. Even secular governments have used and today still use religion to program their peasants to discipline and to supervise others – by threat of voo-doo, supernatural and pain-oriented consequence. Praise and punishment are the tools of dog-training. That is what competeting authoritative religions bring into practice today. Governments love it when religions supervise and discipline their peasants for them. Governments actually pay religions to do this. In the USA, licensed religion-clergy and their churches are tax exempt. Faith-based organizations are Government supported, promoted and financed. George W. Bush enhanced faith-based institutions.
If God was not created, does God believe in a creator? If God does not believe in a creator, is God an Atheist?
Marcus Aurelius: Live a good life. If there are gods and they are just, they will not care how devout you have been, but will welcome you based on the virtues you have lived by. If there are gods, but unjust, then you should not want to worship them. If there are no gods, then you will be gone, but will have lived a noble life that will live on in the memories of your loved ones.
Samuel Taylor Coleridge: He who begins by loving Christianity better than Truth will proceed by loving his own sect or church better than Christianity, and end by loving himself better than all.
Wow! How astute!
Some report to view: Whether the gods exist or not is of no importance to me. I just don’t care. But I do care about the effect and influence of religion on society.
Although the U.S. Constitution expressly prohibits submitting candidates for office to a religious test, people who do not believe in God are currently barred from holding office in seven (7) states: Arkansas, North Carolina, South Carolina, Maryland, Mississippi, Texas and Tennessee. A 2012 Gallup pole found that Americans are more likely to vote for Mormons, Muslims and gay people than Atheist candidates.
Why are you religious?
Sweden is the least religious country in the world.
It is low in poverty, low homicide rate, low infant mortality.
Its income per capita is among the highest in the world.
The least religious countries enjoy wonderful lives, social equality and longer life expectancy.
They have better healthcare systems.
Finland, Norway, The Netherlands and Denmark also score highly.
Religion is not the answer for a healthy, prosperous, happy and peaceful society.
Religious countries are the most murderous and war-like in the world.
So to the Judeo-Christian-Islamic believer – why are you religious?
More Believer – Prosecutor Debate
Believer: No believer will ever acknowledge your claims. Most believers would flatly deny your claims and simply state that God didn’t do it.
Prosecutor: Wouldn’t that amount to conspiracy to cover-up crime?
B: No!
P: Was your God even there?
B: Of course God was there! How dare you! God is love! He has the right to do anything He wants with us. God is everything. Humans are evil. Jesus is our master. He owns us! Praise God!
P: Isn’t that a slave mentality?
B: Of course not. Why are you doing this?
P: Why are you changing the subject by directing it toward me? This book consists of my constitutionally protected opinions and my freedom of speech to address some typical tactics concerning the defense of God. Human-beings have the right to know the facts.
B: No! Not at God’s expense! How are you going to convince believer’s, when believer’s are already convinced, even without reading it, that the Holy Bible is “The Good Book”?
P: The Biblical God committed hundreds of heinous crimes against human-beings. If you cover-up the facts concerning a crime, aren’t you guilty of being an accessory?
B: I am! I am an accessory to anything my God does! And, I’m mad! Praise God! You don’t know Who you are dealing with, do you?
P: I think I’m dealing with you.
B: This is Almighty God you’re dealing with. You should be discrete (cover-up) turn your eyes away (ignore) protect (defend) deny (pretend it didn’t happen) and support (lie for) Him. God is perfect and can do no wrong!
P: Then, obviously to you, your God and your ego are the same. I now realize that finding unbiased jurors in this God Murders case will be improbable. (Understated.)
B: This is no investigation. It’s a witch hunt. The facts are inconclusive. We need more testimony and faith, not criticism of God’s word. You’re going to Hell! Praise God!
God is the heavy throughout most of the Bible’s ugly stories. Cowards don’t see heavies as heavies. They cower to heavies and serve them as if they were Gods.
War is a battle of wills to the death. It amounts to us against them. The concept of God has proven, by evidence throughout history, to be mankind’s greatest adversary.
Robert Ingersoll: “The inspiration of the Bible depends on the ignorance of the person who reads it.”
Robert Ingersoll
Primitive people were often terrified by nature. They tried to personalize nature to better understand and deal with nature. They perceived nature as a powerful god. Ergo, an invention of god. They were afraid of nature / god so they begged / prayed for nature not to hurt them. Atheists view that there is no supernatural Biblical God – but there is evident nature. Nature is no a respecter of persons. Nature does what nature does and to best intellectually understand and emotionally accept nature, it is best to know when to get out of nature’s way. Atheist scientists accept nature to do what nature does and scientists invent technology to have nature serve mankind by harnessing nature’s energy.
“Out of Context!” I submit that the controversial C&V that I take issue with has not been taken “out of context”. I submit that the C&V has a context and an importance of it’s own.
Gary DeVaney: End-time believers – those looking forward to the imaginary “harvest” and the phony promise of “eternal life” – are symptomatic of not giving nor getting much love nor positive attention from others. They are disappointed with their lives.
I personally do not want to obey the Biblical God.
Luke 19:27 Jesus Christ said: And, as for those enemies of mine who would not have Me be King over them, bring them before Me and slay them.
I also refuse to obey Jesus Christ.
In reality, your character is not determined by what happens to you. Your character is determined by how you respond to what happens to you.
These believers do not value their own lives nor do they much value the lives of others. They are frightened of and display little interest in day-to-day reality. They are products of “escapism”. These believers are hypnotized and brainwashed to believe that they have no use for life’s reality because their frightened / disappointed / converted / distorted / morbid imagination focuses on the imaginary “Life After Death”.
Some believers use alcohol. Some use illegal drugs. Many use prescription drugs. Some use religion to escape from reality. Life-destructive believers have adopted and developed a crusade in insanity. When their end-of-life does come, most dying believers wake up and tend to fearfully cling to precious life because they regretfully realize that they were misled / distracted and that they missed so much of their life.
Some withdraw – even to the point of suicide. Sick, infected, delusional egos cannot be wrong. Most egos cling to life by taking an authoritative stance to get others to become like them. That is religion: “Be Like Me – Or Else”.
Like vampires, these “undead” believers want to bite / convert others into their insane existence of the categorical undead.
As a behavioral therapist, my main, consistent job has been to always be on the side of reality. To trade in your real life by believing in Heaven and Hell – a preferred and dreaded afterlife – is the purest and most common religious insanity.
As a behavioral therapist, mostly in Los Angeles for 30 years, I discovered that the question IS the highest form of thought.
When a mind-set believer cannot question his or her belief, he or she loses the power to think. Thinking causes change. Mind-set believing causes no change and that leads to mental, emotional and behavioral paralysis.
Bottom line, “I believe” always means “I don’t know”. If an honest person knew something, they would say “I know it” – not “I believe it”. Believing is gambling. Why would an intelligent Human Being buy into another’s “I don’t knows”?
For over 20 years, I personally have not said the words: “I believe” – because those 2 words do paralyze the normal, functioning mind.
Atheists dare to question. Mind-set believers dare not. For a healthy, thinking mind, question everything!
An Atheist movement is progressing – especially in Europe. Believers threaten. Atheists threaten nobody.
Atheists do not do religious, dogmatic obedience. Only religious “assumed-authorities” are offended by that fact.
Believers, nor their God, have any authority over Atheists any more than Allah has any say over Christians – although, Allah is the same “One God of Abraham” that Jews and Christians worship.
And, here comes the same old, tired religious punishment and threats…
Perspective: Each Human Being is born inherently with 22 ACRES. Their 22 ACRES consists of their personal world. Through self-responsibility, each person is inherently the master of his or her own genetic world, nobody else’s.
One may be invited onto another’s 22 ACRES – I may be invited onto yours and you may be invited onto mine, and nothing is transgressed. Our 22 ACRES remain intact. Your Mastership can never be taken from you, but, there are ways you can lose it.
If you ever assume possession or authority over any portion of another’s 22 ACRES – yours is gone. You will lose your 22 ACRES – thus – you lose your own Mastership.
I would not be a slave to your life. Nor would I be a master over your life. You are the master of your life as I am the master of mine.
Someone, not master of his or her life, may even take your life; but, only you can throw away your Mastership.
The master’s one and only reasonable commandment:
“Do not do to another what you would not have another do to you.”
Do you know of a better, more moral, ethical or legal version of “The Golden Rule”?
Our quality of life is best defined by our identifiable feelings and their emotional intensities. Freedom, happiness, and peace of mind are always attained by giving those things to someone else. The good feelings that you get to keep are the good feelings that you give to others.
Perspectives of maintaining Mastership
Laws of Mathematics Laws of Physics Laws of Nature
A master knows that except for the laws of mathematics, physics and nature, all authority is assumed authority.
A master upholds civil and criminal laws. A master attempts to eliminate bias or otherwise unfair laws and rules of any kind. Except for civil and criminal laws, you will lose your Mastership when you attempt to enforce any of your customary, traditional, moral or your emotional made-up “I want / I don’t want” rules upon another in their world.
One may share and expose to others opportunities and perspectives, but if one formulates or enforces, without another’s consent, any of one’s own personal rules, standards, principles, prejudices, preferences, ambitions, passions or addictions upon another, one must lose one’s own Mastership. Another must give their consent to play your game by your rules. They must be welcome to quit playing your game when they choose without penalty or consequence. Willingly endorsed contracts are enforceable exceptions.
Traditional God / Tyrant / Ego Obedience
Tyrant?
The traditional “tyrant” (God-model) arrogantly states: “I am the value” – “I am the authority” – “I want obedience” – “I am entitled”. Authoritative Ego / God attitudes and behaviors are functionally synonymous.
Here is a “God Complex” directive that, if adopted, makes you lose your Mastership: “I want you to live by my values in your life with me being the center of those values.”
1. I make rules, that I am above following, for you to obey.
2. You will obey My rules – or
3. I will punish you.
4. You will repent – if not
5. I will eliminate you from my agenda.
6. I will then punish you forever for not serving Me on My terms.
Like God, Ego manifestations project in some behavioral manner: “I am the value” – “I am the authority” – “I want obedience” – “I am entitled”.
Ego / God demands: “You will give me what I want; yield to my will, display attitudes of willful obedience or I will punish you to ultimate degrees. When I can’t punish or hurt you for not conforming to my ambitions, rules and desires, I will project an attitude of anger, hurt, disappointment, and depression. These attitudes project my frustration for reality not obeying me and serving me on my terms. Consequently, if my frustration lingers, I will break off, fire, divorce or otherwise eliminate you.”
If you should live this Ego / God / Tyrant behavior, you will never maintain Mastership over your own life – because you are assuming to be some false value or authority over others. People who behave like this will never remain Masters. They tend to become slaves to “Authority” – the Ego / God game – it’s rules and its punishments. By opportunity, the more you impose your assumed and false authority upon others, the less Mastership you have over your own life.
If this makes you angry, credit your Ego / God as neither likes to be exposed, judged, taken issue with, disobeyed or beaten up.
Addiction
Addiction?
Often, the feelings of anger, depression, frustration, jealousy and hurt over-power an individual. The suffering individual must reprogram the cause – their Ego – and fix the symptoms – their feelings. Many, typically, attempt to escape their painful, self-created reality by doing drugs, over-eating, consuming alcohol, professing religion, et al. Once a feeling is triggered by and attached to the substance or the behavior, the EGO becomes addicted TO THE FEELING. An Ego can only become addicted to a feeling. No feeling, no addiction. Concerning a “love problem” – most often the solution is – no love, no problem.
Because of the Ego’s “mind” (mental / emotional / genetic influence), its own feelings let the mind down and then proceeds to torment it. To numb an Ego’s feelings to reality, an Ego often uses alcohol, drugs, food, sex and other behaviors to anesthetize conscious time / life. The Ego’s healing of frustrated feelings is the Ego’s own self-responsibility – by first identifying the feeling and then by reprogramming the feeling.
When an authoritative Ego wants something, it tends to formulate rules that expects others to obey in order for the Ego to get what it desires. Then, that ego tends to punish others if the Ego doesn’t succeed. When you are the Ego that is disappointed, you often banish others who disappoint you from your life or discipline and punish them. Masters do not buy into that game.
Happiness is not so much getting what you want out of life but to successfully avoid what you don’t want in life. If you can successfully do that, what’s left is pretty good.
The Spirit Of God
The Spirit Of God
God may not exist – but, the spirit of Authority, Egos and Tyrants, definitely do exist.
God may not exist – but, the belief in God definitely does exist.
The presumption: Gods and Tyrants, make rules they don’t have to follow themselves. They threaten and bribe others into obeying them. They demand their subjects to beg forgiveness for their imperfection. They punish those whose attitudes aren’t cloned to their specifications.
Almost all Gods, Egos, Tyrants, Religions, organizations and families say: Be like me – or else.
An Ego (I am the value, the authority, the entitled, the deserver of obedience) operates as if the World was made for it. Like the Ego of animals, it is territorial and possessive. It demands respect which is the precursor to obedience.
The words God and Ego are both capitalized throughout this work to introduce that God and Ego aresynonymous. Typically, believer denial is automatic.
Why Others Need For You To Believe In God
Do You Believe In God?
The reason people demand that you believe in their God is because they demand you allow them to set rules for you to obey in their world and for you to allow them to punish you if you don’t serve them on their terms.
They demand your respect which displays your willingness to obey. They command you to love, sacrifice for and to value them, and for you to serve their assumed authority.
Each individual becomes an authoritarian over some things in his or her life. Each one demands respect and commands the obedience of others to what they assume to be the authority over. When Egos are questioned why, they righteously defend their right to set the rules in their world upon anyone who happens into their atmosphere. Whoever is sucked into the gravity of their Ego must display attitudes of respect, willingness to serve and obedience. This authority behavior resides within the genetic hierarchy of microbes, insects, fish and animals. Man just makes an idol of it and calls it God.
If you fear another person, you fear his ego. If you fear God, Egos like that. If you do not fear God or Egos, they will try to make you fear by threat of punishment.
If you recognize them as an effective threat, they will recognize their control over you, as it is throughout the animal kingdom.
Authority, control and obedience are the names of the god-game. A righteous, God-like / Ego-like authority will often brand someone who refuses to be subject to their control, to be an Anarchist, an Atheist or even a Satan.
A nondependent, un-addict able person is uncontrollable. An assumed authority wants you dependent, fearful and / or “in love” (addicted) so that you may be more vulnerable to it’s control and to the successful fulfilling of it’s agenda. The angrier one becomes concerning this knowledge, the more he or she is exposed to be a tyrant, an authoritarian, a controller; and the more they hunger to be served by selective obedience.
Why do people constantly say, “I believe”?
Believers often state their beliefs to manipulate others.
Each time you say, “I believe”, your Ego has established an authority that your Ego has committed to follow, support and obey.
Your Ego then authoritatively expects others to follow, support and obey your stated belief.
When you authoritatively preach your beliefs to others, your Ego is establishing your values and your rules.
Then your Ego expects others to conform to your values and to obey your rules.
This is why one resists buying into or committing to another’s stated beliefs.
Mastership & Behavioral Consequences
Love = Mutual Values
Preface:
Love: Mutual values. I value me! I value you! I value us! You value you! You value me! You value us! When the values split – people split.
All masters formulate agendas, that abide by the law, within their own 22 acres. Masters enforce laws that are being broken by illegal agendas that, in turn, ill effect the 22 acres of others. Masters don’t interfere with legal agendas that others experience, enjoy or act out. A master upholds that all have the right to different preferences, tastes, and agendas.
Q: How many hours of law did you receive from 1st – 12th grades in school?
Q: None, you say?
Q: Is our current Biblical faith – belief model of conduct working?
Q: Why is 1 out of every 138 people in the United States in prison today?
Q: What if, every child received 1 hour of law per week throughout his or her schooling?
A master solution: Education, not religion. Laws would be defined, by examples. The consequences are exposed and acknowledged by the child’s signed, permanent record. The child would know what would happen if he or she should decide to break the law.
Let the master-child pick the consequence of his or her misbehavior.
In their beginning, let there be a legal education curriculum:
Discuss the identifying of feelings as one does nothing without a feeling.
Know (understand and accept) that every individual has the capacity for bad feelings.
Know that bad feelings cause the destructive and illegal acts that have consequences.
Discuss and address the disobedience to any rules or laws within your responsibility.
Specifically discuss any intentional, destructive or predatory feelings and agendas.
Discuss and clarify a specific crime, indiscretion or illegal deed, in detail.
Uncover and discuss any and all motives concerning a crime or rule breaking.
Discuss the extreme ramifications and consequences such a behavior could produce.
Discuss the need for consequence instead of using the word punishment.
Adults are considered to face consequences as children face punishments.
Discuss a variety of appropriate consequences for illegal or disobedient behaviors.
Select an appropriate consequence for each specific indiscretion.
Discuss any and all reactions the consequence (punitive action) may trigger.
Discuss forthcoming consequences should more violations, similar or otherwise, occur.
Discuss these things before violations, as preventative; and after, as consequential.
The goal is for the consequential behavior to be accepted and agreed upon by all involved.
The agreement is needed to determine that rules are necessary and they are in place.
Agreements must be made concerning the consequences of predictable bad behaviors.
Discuss what should be done if another did the deed; if the perpetrator were a victim of it.
Discuss the unfairness, danger or trouble of the deed and the fairness of the consequence.
Only, if you intend to pay for something that is for sale, do you pick it up.
If you take it without paying for it, what do you think the consequence should be?
What if somebody took it from you, what should the consequences be?
What if they had no intention to pay for it?
What if the something they took, you really needed, wanted, was attached to or liked?
If he or she has thought of a consequence, he or she has listened and knows the rules.
This is not tough love! It’s fair love.
If disobedience occurs and its consequence is inflicted, one thinks more fairly about it.
One will better remember a consequence that he or she designed.
Was his or her agenda truly experimental, based on ignorance, or was it intentional?
If one selects a more severe consequence just to please you, inform him or her it is not the punishment that pleases you, but the appropriate behavior.
Once the consequence is satisfied, don’t let him or her continue to feel guilty. Forgive and forget. If they further feel regret and are not attempting to manipulate or get even, encourage them not to be too hard on themselves. Let them also know they cannot alter your behavior by trying to punish you for correcting them.
The Hypocrite: “Do as I say – not as I do”, is damaging to learning, justice and fair play.
In discussing bad feelings, actions or agendas and their consequences, you show that you value others impute and their decision making capabilities, and that you respect his or her opinions. You are helping them to learn the link between actions and consequences.
When I speak of God, I mean that God who prevented man from putting forth his hand and taking also the fruit of the tree of life that he might live forever; of that god who multiplied the agonies of women, increased the weary toil of man, and in his anger drowned a world; of that god whose altars reeked with human blood, who butchered babies, violated maidens, enslaved men and filled the earth with cruelty and crime; of that god who made heaven for the few, hell for the many, and who will gloat forever and ever upon the writings of the lost and the damned. Robert G. Ingersoll 1833-1899
“Truth”
(Emotionally-Charged Feeling-Coated Facts)
Emotionally
A believer’s “truth” is the believer’s personal, narrow, Ego / God-driven interest concerning an objective fact, in time and reality. If the believer witnessed the fact, integrity would have the fact remain to be the raw objective reality that it is. A raw fact has no agenda or politics. A fact doesn’t care who likes / doesn’t like or accepts / resents it’s being a fact in reality or time. When a believer tries to re-create (spin) the fact in their own image to fulfill their personalized feelings, agendas or interests – then the original objective fact now becomes their new personal and often altered truth. That truth is like an owned and branded fact that they attempt to sell others. When someone tells you “I believe” something, they are probably somewhat lying in the truest sense of honesty and reality.
Typically, when exposing that an unbiased fact has been changed into a bias truth, denial is automatic. When believers tend to test the waters by stating to others “I believe”, they are fishing for support, agreement and acceptance from others. When a curious fish bites into their personalized agenda, the imperialistic believer feels victory – that the initial fact now is accepted by another as their new re-created (spun) truth.
If someone supports their belief or “truth” – that someone supports them. That’s why believers want you to believe what they believe.
Whether one is an idealist who paints beauty where ugly facts lie, or is a critical pessimist who sees something ugly with everything; both make claims for gullible followers to support.
Many religionists, who are not strong, popular nor rich enough to be politically elected to lead people, they coat-tail religion and its authoritative God while projecting those vehicles of authority and consequence to sell their agendas. These people are wanna-be policy-makers. Their agenda is to be like God, to make policy for others to follow and obey. That puts them in power and they seek power and profit over others. When exposed or questioned about this agenda, denial is their banner.
Neither the idealist nor the pessimist tends to welcome the realist. Reality exposed often takes away their authority game. Angry and dramatic denial is often the reaction of both the idealist and the pessimist. Often, they both will now claim to be the realist.
Do you know one true Christian who is a realist? Does he or she claim there was a “virgin birth” and a “resurrection”? Can you define “realist”?
People take a fact, spin it into their truth and then present it as their personalized political platform. When their “truth” is based on “faith” (nonsense) and their faith-based truth is supported by many over time, it becomes “dogma” (commonly accepted beliefs). Believers, like clergy, then seek supporters to give them attention, power and often profit. Then, they deny everything – other than it is God’s (the good guy’s) truth and that you had best believe, follow, support and obey their influence or else God (the bad guy) will get you sooner or later.
Most, who play this truth, belief, faith game, will often denounce and demonize anyone who would dare disagree with their authoritative, fear-based dogma.
Mastership and Hierarchy
Each US citizen is equally entitled to earn a compensated position in a working society. A healthy Ego’s desire to become all that one can be within the boundaries of that position often earns itself a better position.
Mastership may exist, regardless of rank within a structured hierarchy. An Ego’s ability and willingness to mutually accept and understand the rules of the structured hierarchy, profession, task or job will help and maintain a workable and respectful opportunity for each participant. Proven, structured procedures tend to accomplish desired tasks, and procedures, like military tactics, cannot be accomplished democratically. “You cannot take a hill democratically.”
A master, in command of a structured hierarchy, respects all positions equally within the hierarchy by treating each subordinate as a Master. Any one of them will sabotage their personal Mastership when they assume personal authority over another where it doesn’t belong.
A Master’s structured employment contract is his or her agreement to conform to the employer’s rules and accountable structure within the employer’s agenda in exchange for compensation or wage.
Perspective: Your 22 ACRES stops where another’s nose begins. What lies behind their nose is theirs. Their 22 ACRES stops where yours begins. Within civil and criminal law, what is behind their nose is their privacy, as long as they behave within the established laws.
A thief “assumes entitlement” and takes from another without their consent. A thief cannot be a Master. Outside of his or her ownership, a Master respects and never assumes entitlement. He or she always asks, never expects, and doesn’t assume to take anything for granted. One who lives by self-responsibility and conforms to enforceable criminal and civil law remains free to be a Master.
A true Master is a Master of “freedom” (unaccountable time). In a true hierarchy, it’s the required positions of authority that require obedience, not the personal feelings of the Master filling the assumed position of authority.
Outside of the laws of physics, all authority is assumed authority. Specifically, within any society, in time, all authority is assumed authority.
Mastership perspective: If another could bring happiness to someone I love, how could I ever object?
Masters know, understand and accept the enforceable laws that affect them. Masters have an acute sense of fairness and justice. Masters view that Egos / Gods who intentionally break enforceable Criminal and Civil laws, choose their own consequence. If they have “faith” (gamble) at others expense, they deserve to lose. Masters tend to feel empathy, but little sympathy, for those who make selfish, damaging and consequential choices. They understand and accept that life does consist of inter-parasitical survival and competing agendas. Masters tend to be happy as happiness is having the capacity to accept people, places and things the way they are.
A Master does not help others as his job is a thousand times more important. He assist others in helping themselves. He assists to free others who wish for freedom. As masters of their own lives, they will not need him. Masters do judge. Decisions cannot be successfully made without judgment. A Master does not restrict nor condemn anyone, unless they hurt others while operating outside of civil and criminal law. Masters do not worry about nor bother with unenforceable morals.
Unenforceable morals are as abundant as individual desires, the do wants / don’t wants of individual egos. The 22 ACRES is a breakthrough discovery that breaks through the veil of ignorance of the authority code.
The purpose and popularity of the faith and belief game:
Almost all believers support the hope, faith and belief game as they all have personal agendas. They hope to fulfill their agendas in order to fulfill their feelings. They want you and / or others to have faith and to believe in them and their agenda. Their ultimate goal, while usually under a banner of denial, is your obedience and support of their agenda.
They also want you to validate their life. Faith, belief and obedience are the rules of the God / authority game. Logic, nondependent thinking and reason often break the rules that ultimately gets the nonbeliever fouled-out, disqualified, divorced, fired or retired from the believer’s agendas and their interests.
As a believer, does your fearful programming and practice in having faith and blindly believing in God assist you in getting others to obey and support you and your agenda? Masters / thinkers won’t buy into it.
Masters question and think for themselves. They encourage others to question and think for themselves and not to become puppets or slaves to assumed authorities. Ownership and positional authorities are respected and accommodated. Sound civil and criminal law is the same for everyone and masters support laws designed to protect civilization. If a heinous intent and a malicious deed is carried out, why would the law give “grace” to one who is guilty and not to another who is also guilty? Doesn’t “grace” (unmerited gift) make that very law ineffective that is designed to protect society? If everyone were properly educated in the law and its consequences instead of having faith in holy-ghosts, everyone would have picked their own punishment when they committed their crime.
Suggestion: Instead of church and prayer, schedule just one (1) hour per week of law for all students from grades one (1) thru twelve (12). All citizens would know the criminal and civil laws and their consequences.
If they then feel “entitled” to break a law, they also know what they have chosen as a punishment / consequence. Today, the US has about one 1 person out of every 138 citizens in the prison system – which proves that God, church and prayer does not work.
The Control / Ego / God Attitude
Cold Anger?
Perceive one’s attitude of cold anger, distraught, confused, frustrated or of being generally displeased toward you. They manipulate to set their rules to be obeyed by you in order for their and agendas to be fulfilled.
The tyrant’s hidden agendas:
“I want you to live by my values in your life with me being the center of those values.”
“I want to set my rules for you to obey and I want you to allow me to punish you for any disobedience.”
“I want you to serve me on my terms.”
How many times have you bought into, performed or cheered on the success or failure of this behavior?
Life consists of inter-parasitical competition / competing agendas. It is senseless for you to be depressed or upset over agendas you have no control over.
A solution for frustration and / or depression is:
Either learn the knowledge to gain the control or learn to accept things the way they are.
A philosopher is one who dares to diagnose society and expose the tools of authority.
Knowledge is not the power. Applied knowledge is the power.
Knowledge, like water, tends to seek its own level.
During legal competition, illegal theft and war, you attempt to prevent others from doing to you exactly what you intend to do to them.
The paradox of war: In war, you try to do to another exactly what you try to prevent him or her from doing to you. You try to prevent the enemy from killing you while you try to kill as many of the enemy as you can. The harder you cheer this mentality, the harder it will be for you to become a master. Masters don’t initiate pain, theft, nor murder. Masters do tend to stand against those who do.
Mastership: “Do not do to others what you would not have them do to you.”
Lies result when popular or personal agendas become more important than facts. When our youth see clergy rob and steal from the gullible public using lies, words of extortion, blackmail, and scream in your face fear tactics, how do you expect them to turn out?
“One stroke of an artist’s brush may appear distasteful, even hideous; but it, along with a combination of others may be responsible for a masterpiece.” (GWD)
Question: Is there a God or just Ego-oriented feelings?
Is there a tangible God? There are real identifiable (do want / don’t want) “feelings” and their “emotion” intensities. Survival-oriented animal’s exhibit limited behaviors that are predictable in their quest for their feelings to be satisfied by reality.
People, who compete for reality to conform to their feelings, often act as if or declare their feelings to be sacred – thus their manifestation of their God. They tend to introduce to others consequence or a fear level if their feelings are not satisfied. They readily endorse a “God-fearing” concept. This is one of the many reasons why the concept of God cannot be agreed upon. A common agenda is successful when supported by mutual feelings – or at least no opposing feelings.
People tend to hide their feelings, behaviors and agendas from other people to prevent those others from disciplining them or spoiling their addiction, passion or agenda. People go to church and other “help organizations” to help discipline their “evil / destructive” feelings. Fearful and guilt-ridden people tend to preach to others in practice of supporting their own discipline habits. They preach so that their own behavior won’t make mistakes that often lead to painful consequences. The “evil” feelings are there and if they are not checked at the behavior level, “conditioned response” makes them realize that eventually they may pay some consequences.
What some are afraid that you will do is what they would do if they were in your place.
That scares them so they preach to you to not become them.
When someone is confronted about the evils of God, they react as if it were their feelings that took the hit. They defend God as if He were they and they were He. They don’t care what God did – He is innocent. Above all, most defend God as they were defending themselves. They argue to establish that their Ego, the commander of their feelings, like God, is the authority and above it all.
God / Ego
Observe a God scenario. Put in this “feelings formula”. Does it fit? GWD
What one person, who you know, would be impacted if sent to this site?
The Torah has 613 commandments: 365 positives (thou shalt) + 248 negative (thou shalt not).
10 Commandments are in Exodus 20:1-17 & Deuteronomy 5:6-21 KJV
1. Deuteronomy 5:6-7 I am the Lord, thy God. Thou shalt have no other Gods before Me.
If each believer were put through intense interrogation to define his or her God, before thorough exhaustion, their God would look very much like them. They would easily deny that their God would do what the Biblical God is written to have done C&V. Those believers would be guilty of breaking the 1st commandment. Conclusion: Ego and God are synonymous. You can’t physically locate either and both God and Ego are described by their deeds, attitudes and behaviors.
2. Deuteronomy 5:8 Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image.
What are the statues and images of Jesus on the cross, the “Virgin” Mary symbols and other religious articles – if they are not all graven images?
Exodus 25:17-22 God ordered Moses to build The Arc of the Covenant?
Numbers 21: 8-9 God ordered Moses to make a snake wrapped around a pole (a caduceus) so those who would see it would survive the God-sent snakebites that killed many.
God broke His own commandments when He had Moses build both the Arc of the Covenant and the Snake wrapped around the pole. How can that not qualify to be a graven image? What hypocrisy! Today, the caduceus is valued as an international medical symbol.
Pope Gregory, in the 6th century AD, claimed that the Catholic statues and paintings were necessary to educate the poor and illiterate on their religion. Later, in the 15 – 16th centuries Protestants condemned this practice. Violence broke out across Europe between Catholics and Protestants.
The Koran takes issue that Christians worship Jesus as God. That creates a tremendous problem between Muslims and Christians.
Starting about the 12th century, Christians waged numerous murderous Crusades against Muslims and waged murderous Inquisitions against everybody (who were not them) across Europe.
3. Deuteronomy 5:11 Thou shalt not take the name of the Lord, thy God, in vain.
When you pray to God for selfish things, or tell God how to run His business, aren’t you taking God’s name in vain? Is it alright if nobody knows that you do that but you?
4. Deuteronomy 5:12 Keep The Sabbath Day to sanctify it.
Saturday was the Israelites 7th day – the last day of the week – their day of rest. It started about dusk on Friday night. Don’t think that’s too squirrelly as we still start our new day at 12 o’clock midnight. God observed His one day of rest after His 6 days of “creation”. Was one of God’s days 1,000 of man’s years as claimed in 2 Peter 3:8?
John 9:1-7 Jesus healed a blind man on the Sabbath.
Jesus Healed a Blind Man
John 9:16 The Pharisees said Jesus was a sinner and not God because he kept not the Sabbath.
Jesus! You broke the rule! You DON”T work on the Sabbath.
One source (the History Channel) claims: Early Christians, under Constantine, in the year 321 moved the Sabbath from Saturday to Sunday and then claimed that the Sabbath to be the day that Jesus resurrected from the dead.
Another TV source claimed: The Catholic Church changed the Jewish Sabbath to Sunday around the 16th century. Oh, what to believe? These authorities are as confusing as the inconsistent and controversial Bible.
Don’t these Sabbath changes break and dishonor the Catholic’s 3rd commandment and the KJV’s 4th commandment?
Yes, it is the Catholic version’s 3rd Commandment and it is the KJV’s 4th Commandment.
The Sabbath Commandment is little honored in the modern world. Clergy tell you not to work on the Sabbath – yet that is the one day in the entire week that they all work for the big tax-free bucks. The US government pays religions to keep you distracted, fear-based, obedient, conformed, dependent and in line.
5. Deuteronomy 5:16 Honor thy father and thy mother.
John 2:3-4 Jesus’ mother told Him they ran out of wine. Jesus said: How does your concern affect Me?
Nice honoring, Jesus.
Matthew 12:46-49 Jesus was told in the Synagogue that His mother and brothers were waiting for Him. Jesus said: Who is my mother? Who are my brothers?
Jesus Christ definitely broke the “Honor thy mother” commandment – as it is written C&V.
6. Deuteronomy 5:17 Thou shalt not kill.
God’s behavioral theme throughout the entire Old Testament seemed to be: “Obey Me or I will kill you.” With all of God’s murdering, it seems that the scribes left off a few words from this commandment. It could have more accurately been written: God said, “Thou shalt not kill – except on My terms.” Do you remember all of God’s murdering of mothers and babies and the stealing of The Promised Land? Almost all of God’s Old Testament heroes did kill their fellow man, woman and child.
God, Himself, was a model of lying when He claimed to deceive His Own prophets. 2 Chronicles 18 God put lying spirits in prophets’ mouths.
10. Deuteronomy 5:21 Neither shalt thou desire thy neighbor’s wife. Neither shalt thou covet thy neighbor’s house or anything that is thy neighbor’s.
God’s favorite King David impregnated Bathsheba and had her husband, Uriah, killed so he could have her.
2 Samuel 11:3-5 King David had sex with Bathsheba and she had a son.
2 Samuel 11: 14-26 David had Bathsheba’s husband Uriah killed.
2 Samuel 12:15-17 God killed their child.
2 Samuel 12:24 God rewarded the couple with a second son, King Solomon.
Here is a special Bible Note in the Catholic version of the 10th Commandment:
Exodus 20:17 You shall not covet your neighbor’s house, nor his wife nor his male or female SLAVE…
Unlike the KJV, both the Catholic Bible and the Torah, which have been around a lot longer than the KJV, use the word SLAVE which means, by documentation, the 10th Commandments accepts and condones slavery. Shocking!
The Hillbilly’s Ten Commandments
Sulphur Rock, AR.
(As translated from the ‘King James’)
1 Just one God
2 Honor yer Ma & Pa
3 No tellin’ tales or gossipin’
4 Git yourself to Sunday meetin’
5 Put nothin’ afore God
6 No foolin’ around with anutha feller’s gal
7 No killin’
8 Watch yer mouth
9 Don’t take what ain’t yers
10 Don’t be hankerin’ for yer buddy’s stuff
Most Christians believe the Old Testament has only 10 commandments.
Most Christian scholars and Hebrew Rabbis know that the Torah / Old Testament has 613 commandments.
Some know there are 1003 Commandments in the entire KJV.
Of the “10 commandments” – breaking only 2 are considered to be against the law in all US states. To kill and to steal are to break the laws in all states.
Actually, obeying the 10 commandments means nothing in the “salvation” of anyone as evident in:
Galatians 2:21 If righteousness / justification come by law, then Christ is dead in vain, Christ died for nothing. (Catholic & KJV)
Ever wonder how and why “born-again” or “born from above” death-row prisoners can claim to be innocent? The Law (10 Commandments), means nothing. Within their egos, Jesus has justified them.
Rabbi Burton Visotzky: In Jewish theology there are 613 commandments that we are obligated to do for God.
The source: In 1134 AD, Moshe Ben Maimon (Maimonides), a Rabbi living in medieval Spain sat down, read the entire Torah / Pentateuch and codified its 613 laws.
By God, 58 of the 613 commandments are prohibitions against sexual intercourse – the wrong kinds of sex at the wrong times with the wrong people.
James 2:10 Whoever shall keep the whole law yet offend one point is guilty of all.
Duh! So, how can breaking one law make you guilty of breaking them all? Talk about trumped-up charges! How can God be fair with this “sacred” C&V?
GWD: To live by faith is an intellectual failing.
Protestant Catholic
1. Thou shalt have on other gods before me. 2. Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven in, or any likeness of anything that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth. Thou shalt not bow down thyself to them, not serve them. For I the Lord thy God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fouth generation of them that hate me: And showing mercy unto thousands of them that love me and keep my commandments 3. Thou shalt not take the name of the Lord thy God in vain. For the Lord will not hold him guiltless that taketh his name in vain 4. Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy. Six days shalt thou labor and do all thy work: But the seventh day is the Sabbath of the Lord thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates: For in six days the Lord made heaven and earth the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: Lord blessed the Sabbath day, and hallowed it. 5. Honor thy father and thy mother: that thy days may be long upon the land which the lord thy God giveth thee. 6. Thou shalt not Kill. 7. Thou shalt not commit adultery. 8. Thou shalt not steal. 9. Thou shalt not bear false witness against thy neighbor. 10 Thou shalt not covet thy neighbor’s King James Bible, issued by the American Bible Society
1 I am the Lord thy God. Thou shalt not have strange gods before me. 2.Thou shalt not take the name of the Lord thy God in vain 3. Remember thou keep the Sabbath Day. 4. Honor thy Father and thy Mother. 5. Thou shalt not Kill. 6. Thou shalt not commit adultery. 7. Thou shalt not steal. 8. Thou shalt not bear false witness against thy neighbor. 9.Thou shalt not covet thy neighbor’s wife 10. Thou shalt not covet thy neighbor’s goods Catholic Catechism by Peter Cardinal Gasparri, “published with Ecclesiastical approval” and bearing the imprimatur of Patrick Cardinal Hayes, Archbishop, New York. P. J. Kenedy & Sons, 1932.
1. I am the Lord thy God, who brought thee out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of slavery 2. Thou shalt have no other gods before me. Thou shalt not make unto thee a graven image, nor any manner of likeness, of anything that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth: Thou shalt not bow down unto them, nor serve them, nor serve them, for I the Lord thy God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation of them that hate Me: and showing mercy unto the thousandth generation of them that love Me and keep My commandments. 3. Thou shalt not take the name of the Lord thy God in vain: for the Lord will not hold him guiltless that taketh His name in vain. 4. Remember the Sabbath day to keep it holy. Six days shalt thou labor, and do all thy work. But the seventh day is the Sabbath in honor of the Lord thy God; on it thou shalt not do any work, neither thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that in within thy gates; for in six days the Lord made the heavens and the earth , the sea and all that is in them, and rested on the seventh day; therefore the lord blessed the Sabbath day, and hallowed it. 5. Honor thy father and thy mother; in order that thy days may be prolonged up the land which the lord thy God giveth thee. 6. Thou shalt not kill 7. Thou shalt not commit adultery 8Thou shalt not steal. 9. Thou shalt not bear false witness against thy neighbor. 10. Thou shalt not covet thy neighbor’s house; thou shalt not covet thy neighbor’s wife, nor his manservant, nor his maidservant, nor his ox, nor his ass, nor anything that is thy neighbor’s Bloch Publishing Company, New York, 1922
Which Ten Commandments?
First Tables of Stone (Exodus 20) (“which Moses didst break”)
Second Tables of Stone (Exodus 34) (“the words that were on the first”)
1. I am the Lord your God, who brought you out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of bondage. You shall have no other gods before me.
1. Thou shalt worship no other god (For the Lord is a jealous god).
2. You shall not make for yourself a graven image. You shall not bow down to them or serve them.
2. Thou shalt make thee no molten gods.
3. You shall not take the name of the Lord your God in vain.
3. The feast of unleavened bread shalt thou keep in the month when the ear is on the corn.
4. Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy.
4. All the first-born are mine.
5. Honor your father and your mother.
5. Six days shalt thou work, but on the seventh thou shalt rest.
6. You shall not kill.
6. Thou shalt observe the feast of weeks, even of the first fruits of the wheat harvest, and the feast of ingathering at the year’s end.
7. You shall not commit adultery.
7. Thou shalt not offer the blood of my sacrifice with leavened bread.
8. You shall not steal.
8. The fat of my feast shall not remain all night until the morning.
9. You shall not bear false witness against your neighbor.
9. The first of the first fruits of thy ground thou shalt bring unto the house of the Lord thy God.
10. You shall not covet.
10. Thou shalt not seethe a kid in its mother’s milk.
Adapted from Microsoft Bookshelf 98
K. Budde, History of Ancient Hebrew Literature
#Ten Punishments (Let’s post these in the schoolroom!)
1. Exodus 22:20: He that sacrificeth unto any god, save unto the Lord only, he shall be utterly destroyed.
2. Leviticus 24:16: And he that blasphemeth the name of the Lord, he shall surely be put to death.
3. Exodus 31:15: Whosoever doeth any work in the Sabbath day, he shall surely be put to death.
4. Exodus 21:15: He that smiteth his father, or his mother, shall be surely put to death.
5. Exodus 21:17: He that curseth his father or his mother, shall surely be put to death.
6. Exodus 22:19: Whosoever lieth with a beast shall surely be put to death.
7. Leviticus 20:13: If a man lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death.
8. Leviticus 20:10: And the man that committed adultery with another man’s wife, the adulterer and the adulteress shall be put to death.
9. Mark 16:16: He that believeth not, shall be damned.
10. Malachi 2:1-4: And now, O ye priests, this commandment is for you. If you will not hear, and if ye will not lay it to heart to give glory to my name, … behold, I will corrupt your seed, and spread dung upon your faces.
The Catholic Bible – and other older Bibles – mostly use the words “slave” & “slaves” where the KJV and other newer versions use the words “servant” & “servants”.
Family Bibles became “watered-down” – some say to protect the children – others say to protect believers.
The KJV came out in the year 1611. Let’s count how slave-happy / servant-happy “God’s Word” is.
Strong’s Exhaustive Concordance: The KJV documents the word “slave” just one (1) time in Jeremiah 2:14.
The KJV documents the word “slaves” just one (1) time in Revelation 18:13.
The KJV documents the words “servant” & “servants” a total of 959 times.
That could amount to about 961 times that older Bibles could have used the words – slave / salves.
When evidence is presented, “God’s Word” becomes pretty controversial to the realist with a conscience.
Ephesians 6:5 Slaves, be obedient to your masters with fear and trembling as you would Jesus Christ.
On December 6, 1865, the 13th Amendment was adopted into The US Constitution, thus abolishing slavery in the United States. What would the Judeo-Christian-Islamic God say about this?
Mississippi was the last US State to ratify the US Anti-Slavery law – in 1995. How do you feel trying to get your head around that?
Leviticus 25:44-46 (The Biblical God said:) Your male and female slaves are to come from the nations around you; from them you may buy slaves. You may also buy some of the temporary residents living among you and members of their clans born in your country, and they will become your property. You can bequeath them to your children as inherited property and can make them slaves for life, but you must not rule over your fellow Israelites ruthlessly.
This also infers that you ARE allowed to rule over non-Israelites ruthlessly.
Some issues presented here are from:
“The Skeptic’s Annotated Bible” By Steve Wells.
(Thank you, Steve Wells, for your fine selected research.)
Genesis 9:25-27 And he [Noah] said, cursed be Canaan; a slave of slaves shall he be unto his brethren. And he said, blessed be the Lord God of Shem; and Canaan shall be his slave. God shall enlarge Japheth, and he shall dwell in the tents of Shem; and Canaan shall be his slave.
God – Cursed Canaan Noah Cursed Canaan – not Ham
Genesis 16:8-9 The Angel of the Lord said to Hagar, Sarai’s maid: Where did you come from, and where will you go? And she said, I flee from the face of my mistress Sarai. And the Angel of God said to her: Return to your mistress and submit yourself under her hands.
God’s Angel ordered Sarah’s Egyptian slave-girl, Hagar, to return to Sarah for further abuse. Sarah gave Hagar to her husband / half-brother, Abraham for sex and children. Sarah resented Hagar so much that she had performed painful female circumcision on Hagar. Hagar’s son, Ishmael, started the Arabic tribes and eventually Islam. Islam worships “The One God of Abraham” just like Judeo-Christians do. This fact tends to upset many Christians.
Genesis 17:12-13 (God ordered) And he that is eight days old shall be circumcised among you, every man child in your generations, he that is born in the house, or bought with money of any stranger, which is not of your seed. He that is born in your house, and he that is bought with your money, must be circumcised.
Genesis 24:35-36 God has blessed my master (Abraham) greatly; and he has become great (wealthy) and he (God) has given him (Abraham) flocks, and herds, and silver, and gold, and men-slaves, and maid-slaves, and camels, and asses. And Sarah, my master’s wife, bare a son (Isaac) to my master (100 year-old Abraham) when she was old (90) and to Isaac, Abraham gave all that he had.
Genesis 26:12-14 Then Isaac sowed in that land, and received in the same year a hundredfold: and God blessed him. Isaac grew until he became great (wealthy). He had possession of flocks, herds, and great store of slaves.
Slaves for Everybody?
Exodus 12:44 But every man’s slave that is bought for money. When you have circumcised him…
Again, this condones the slave mentality.
Exodus 20:17 You shall not covet your neighbor’s house, wife, nor his man-slave / maid-slave.
According to the “Holy Bible”, your God did not prohibit slavery. God actually condoned and promoted slavery. In reading this next Bible C&V – pretend, for a moment, that you are the slave.
Exodus 21:2-6 If you buy a Hebrew slave….
Exodus 21:7 And if a father sells his daughter to be a slavery, she shall not go out as the men slaves do.
Slavery
Slave Auction
Exodus 21: 20-21 If a master smites his slave, or his maid, with a rod, and his slave or his maid dies under his hand; the master shall be punished. But, if the slave continues to live for a day or two, and then dies, the master shall not be punished – for the slave is the master’s money.
So, if the beaten slave lives for a day or two and then dies, did God kill the slave instead of the master who beat the slave? Is this logical? Rational? Just and Fair? Well, at least Exodus chapter 21 proves and documents that God condones and promotes slavery. God imposes His rules for slavery. And, “thou shall not kill” certainly proves not to be the Biblical God’s commandment. It was probably shortened from: “Thou shall not kill – except on My terms.” God’s master / slave agenda does not fit our modern, civilized and equality-prone democracy. In a democracy, we elect our leaders to represent us, not to rule over us. If we have true democracy, this tyrannical Biblical God’s will is not being served on planet Earth.
Exodus 22:2-3 If a thief has nothing, then the thief shall be sold (as a slave) for his theft.
Leviticus 19:20 And whosoever lieth carnally with a woman, that is a bondmaid, betrothed to an husband, and not at all redeemed, nor freedom given her; she shall be scourged; they shall not be put to death, because she was not free.
Leviticus 22:11 If the priest buys any soul with his money….
God’s priest buys slaves? Try to truthfully explain this.
Leviticus 25:39 And if a brother who lives by you be poor, and be sold to you…
What?
Leviticus 25:44-46 Your male and female slaves, which you shall have, shall be of the heathen that are round about you; from them you shall buy male and female slaves. Moreover, from the children of the strangers that sojourn among you, you shall buy, and from their families that are with you, which they gave birth to in your land. They shall be your possession. You shall take them as an inheritance for your children after you, to inherit them for a possession, they shall be your slaves forever.
God directs that they shall have slaves and who will become their possessions forever? If these Bible C&Vs are truly “God’s Word” – this accurately describes the Biblical God’s position on slavery.
You’re Slaves Forever?
Robert Ingersoll: It is like most other ancient books – a mingling of falsehood and truth, of philosophy and folly – all written by men, and most of the men only partially civilized. Some of its laws are good – some infinitely barbarous. None of the miracles related were performed. . . . Take out the absurdities, the miracles, all that pertains to the supernatural – all the cruel and barbaric laws – and to the remainder I have no objection. Neither would I have for it any great admiration.
Robert Ingersoll: If a man really believes that God once upheld slavery; that he commanded soldiers to kill women and babes; that he believed in polygamy; that he persecuted for opinion’s sake; that he will punish forever, and that he hates an unbeliever, the effect in my judgment will be bad. It always has been bad. This belief built the dungeons of the Inquisition. This belief made the Puritan murder the Quaker.
Deuteronomy 5:21 You shall not desire your neighbor’s wife, nor shall you covet your neighbor’s house, his field, or his male or female slaves, his ox, or ass, or anything that is your neighbor’s.
So, God documents that you can have slaves – you just cannot take your neighbor’s slaves. God has determined and documented for all to see what God claims to be “just and fair” concerning “God ordained slavery”.
Deuteronomy 15:12 And if your brother, a Hebrew man, or a Hebrew woman be sold to you…
Deuteronomy 20:10-11 When you come to fight against a city it, first proclaim peace to it. If it makes peace, then all the people that is found there shall be slaves for you, and they shall serve you.
God commands when you attack a city, take all the people found there to be your slaves. For the believer, God can’t be much clearer than that. Can God?
Deuteronomy 20:14 The women, the little ones, the cattle, and all that is in the city, all the spoils you shall take for yourself.
God orders His “Chosen People” to attack cities specifically to acquire slaves and profit. Granted, this is better than all the times that God ordered His “Chosen People” to kill every man, woman and child. The Biblical God is documented to be guilty of ordering mass-murder and the taking of slaves.
Joshua 9:23 Now therefore you are cursed, and there shall none of you be freed from being slaves… for the house of my God.
So, if you are a believer – you are a slave?
None Of You Shall Be Freed From Being Slaves
Mark Twain: There was no place in the land where the seeker could not find some small budding sign of pity for the slave. No place in all the land but one – the pulpit. It yielded last; it always does. It fought a strong and stubborn fight, and then did what it always does, joined the procession – at the tail end. Slavery fell. The slavery texts in the Bible remained; the practice changed; that was all.
In the Bible – children, like women, are counted as slave-assets belonging to men as they are treated primarily according to a slave-property ethic.
God tested Abraham in the almost sacrifice of Isaac. After that insane fiasco, the Bible has no documentation of Abraham and Sarah ever speaking to each other again.
God’s agreed to the burnt-offering sacrifice of Jepthah’s daughter: Judges:11.
Scholars acknowledge child-sacrifice in the early Hebrew religion. Christianity claims that the Biblical God sacrificed His own Son, Jesus Christ, which makes perverted sense when one views children as slave-property which a father can dispose of as he pleases. What an insane model the Biblical God is to His insane believers.
When the Biblical God was pleased with men, God multiplied their flocks and their offspring. When God was displeased with men, God killed their firstborn sons. God murdered ALL the Egyptian first-born in the Moses story. God also murdered ALL of the men, women and children of 60 cities when God ordered the destruction of “The Promised Land”.
Satan successfully tempted / enticed / moved the Biblical God: Job 2:3. When God and Satan agreed to a bet concerning Job, Satan tested Job’s loyalty to God by taking away Job’s riches, his livestock, killing his servants, and killing ALL of Job’s children. God, winning the bet with Satan, later replaced them with new ones. What a “just and fair” God!
When the Biblical God was pleased with men, God multiplied their flocks and their offspring. When God was displeased with men, God killed their firstborn sons. God murdered ALL of Egypt’s first-born in the Moses story. God also murdered ALL of the men, women and children of 60-cities when God ordered the destruction and conquering of “The Promised Land”: Deuteronomy 3:3-6
Jesus’ Attitude Towards Slavery
Was Jesus Christ a Racist?
(Webster’s): Racism: One who believes in, advocates and practices the doctrine of racism; bias discrimination, segregation, persecution and domination based on racism.
Is slavery a form of racism?
Do any religions practice slavery and racism?
Did Christianity Ever Practice Racism?
Does / did Christianity practice slavery and racism?
Was Jesus Christ pro-racism and / or pro-slavery?
Luke 12:46-47 Jesus said: The lord of that slave will come one day when he did not look for him, and at a time when he is not aware, and the lord will cut him in sunder, and will appoint him his portion with the unbelievers. That slave, who knew his lord’s will, and prepared not himself, neither did according to his will, shall be beaten with many stripes.
Luke 17:7-10 Jesus said in a parable: Your slave just came in from labor. Say: Prepare something for Me to eat. Wait on Me while I eat and drink. You may eat and drink when I am finished. Are you grateful the slave did all he was commanded? When you have done all that you have been commanded, say: We are unprofitable slaves; we have done what we are obliged to do. KJV
It a heart-breaker for those who don’t know the Bible – but – Jesus Christ was a racist who promoted slavery. Jesus projected in Luke 17:7-10 that He and all masters of slaves are entitled. God wants disobedient slaves beaten. This evil model has, by historical evidence, rubbed off on the south and every racist Christian con-man and crook serving time in the joint. Is it true that if a man or woman doesn’t make the cut on judgment day, Jesus will be glorified as He judges and sentences that man or woman for eternal, painful torture, forever and ever? Jesus judges you and sends you into Eternal-Torment – if Jesus is God.
Hummm. How can Jesus Christ be “The Savior” if Jesus sends you into Eternal-Torment?
Luke 17:7-9 Jesus said: Which of you, having a slave plowing or feeding cattle, will say to your slave when he comes in from the field, Go and sit down to meat? Would you not rather say to him, make ready that I may eat, and gird thyself and serve me till I have eaten and drunken; and afterward you shalt eat and drink? Do you thank the slave because he did the things that were commanded him? I think not. Catholic
Jesus obviously does not and will not eat with His slaves. Just think what it will be like when Jesus becomes King over you. What kind of mentality wants to become a slave – even to Jesus Christ?
Why Would Jesus Condone Racism?
Slaves Do Not Eat Until After Jesus Eats
1 Corinthians 7:21-22 Are you called to be a slave? You care not for it? But, if you may be made free, use it rather. For he that is called in the Lord, being a slave, is the Lord’s freeman: likewise also he that is called, being free, is Christ’s slave.
Confusing double-talk?
Ephesians 6:5 Let all who are under the yoke of slavery regard their masters as worthy of all honor, so that the name of God and the teaching may not be defamed.
God wants slaves to be fearfully obedient to their masters. Who dares to argue that God doesn’t want slavery? If you do, are you sure that you truly believe the Bible is “God’s Word”?
Colossians 3:22 Slaves, be obedient to them that are your masters according to the flesh, with fear and trembling, in singleness of your heart, as unto Christ.
1 Timothy 6:1-5 Let as many slaves as are under the yoke count their masters worthy of all honor, that the name of God and his doctrine be not blasphemed. And they that have believing masters, let them not despise them, because they are brethren; but rather do them service, because they are faithful and beloved, partakers of the benefit. These things teach and exhort. If any man teach otherwise … he is proud, knowing nothing…. From such withdraw thyself.
This may sounds somewhat nice, but God still condones slavery. Should anyone who teaches Bible C&V avoid the selected, controversial C&Vs?
Slaves Are Not To Despise Their Masters
Titus 2:9 Exhort slaves to be obedient unto their own masters, and to please them well in all things; not answering again.
1 Peter 2:18 Slaves, be subject to your masters with all fear, not only to the good and gentle, but also to the forward.
The Catholic Bible mostly uses the word “slave” where the KJV uses the word “servant”. Masters are over slaves. Again, many modern Bibles have watered-down the word slave to servants. Do you still insist that God does not promote a master / slave mentality?
Note: The Catholic Church did not forbid Catholic Priests to marry until 1139 AD. Before that, Catholic Priests could have sex and raise families. Celibacy now keeps Catholic Priests from having families and accumulating Church assets for their families. The Catholic Church just gets richer.
Authoritative and controlling – by threat of consequence – the sex lives of Priests and Nuns – is a form of misguided and agreed upon slavery. The Catholic Church wants mental, emotional, physical, sexual and financial sacrifice from its believers. These poor, pathetic human beings – Priests and Nuns – sacrifice their lives for God, Jesus Christ, the Virgin Mary and the Catholic Church.
Slavery and obedience are the main themes in all of this God’s Bibles. Authoritarians capitalize on that dogmatic master / slave mentality so to take advantage of the gullible, the ignorant, the superstitious.
Gary DeVaney’s anti-slavery attitude: I only rule me. I do not rule you. Neither you, nor what your ego calls God, rules me. I don’t do blind obedience.
Awake Magazine: March 8, 1998, Charles Lummis: In 1835, a scalp-bounty law (directed primarily towards Apache Indians) was passed in Mexico (by Spanish Catholics) that offered 100 pesos for each Indian warrior’s scalp. Two years later the price included 50 pesos for a Indian woman’s scalp and 25 for that of an Indian child. The Apache did no scalping. The Chiricahua Indians did at times take scalps in retaliation to the Mexican (Holy Catholic’s) tactics. The British and the French had followed this custom in earlier times.
Scalp
What source, book or religion could possibly serve as the model for this kind of inhumane and brutal treatment of women and children by the British, French and Spanish? Do those who know the content of The Holy, Sacred, Judeo-Christian Bible know? What kind of monkey-mind character, who actually knows the Bible C&V content, would passionately support this evil?
AwakeMagazine continued: War with the Apache was profitable since continuance of war meant $2 million annually to the state of Arizona paid from the US War Department. Powerful interests wanted no peace with the Apache. When peace came, the funds spent by the U.S. military dried up.
Thanks for these historical facts, Charles Lummis.
Charles Lummis
Believer: Are you saying that components of our virtuous, wholesome, compassionate, Christian Government did that? What? No! Never! Denial! Spin! Curse the source, as we Christians could never do anything like that!
Symptoms of blind faith: To blindly follow, while remaining oblivious to change, learning or growth, until death. Once a mind-set faith agenda is identified, one has a behavioral life cycle as predictable as a dog, or a pig, monkey, cat or any other genetic life-form.
Is faith anything beyond a gamble? Isn’t faith often a commitment to something illogical, improbable, impossible, and sometimes illegal? Isn’t faith often also an absurd commitment to a lie? Faith predestines and prejudices everything one encounters due to its agenda. With faith, nothing else matters; not logic, reason, knowledge, change nor the values of others.
Genetically, all animal’s behavioral lives are predictably mind-set; for, learning cannot take place without some change of behavior. Your own behavior is mostly run by your creator, your genes, which is commanded by your feelings (Ego / God). The human gene-package is just more capable of learning and behavioral change than the gene-packages of other animals and plants, with their genetically predictable egos (Gods).
Genes
Watson & Crick Discovered The Double Helix in 1953
This is a search for truth and fact using logic and reason based on what is written. If you find a Biblical passage that is interpreted or stated falsely, please write us what you have found and your correction. Please have the courage to stay on the chapter and verse you are taking issue with. Most people often pick alternative, irrelevant, idealistic “feel-good” material. Sometimes their interpretation is correct concerning a passage because the Bible has other passages that contains one or more contradictions.
Emphasis: The Biblical student may be correct, but he or she didn’t know, until now, that one or more Biblical contradictions also exist. GWD
RAPE:
The Bible did NOT say: Thou shalt NOT rape – so apparently it condones rape.
Deuteronomy 22:28-29: If a man meets a virgin who is not betrothed, and seizes her and lies with her, and they are found, then the man who lay with her shall give to the father of the young woman fifty shekels of silver, and she shall be his wife, because he has violated her. He may not divorce her all his days.
That is what your God thinks of rape. (If you’re going to argue religion, at least open a Bible first)
Governments:
Many democratic governments are producing rapid changes. Contrary to belief or law, Governments are in the business of making profit. Like large opportunistic farmers, imperialistic Governments have planted all over the world and raped the lands for what human “politics” (power and profit over people) took best. Now, the political share-croppers, tribal chiefs, state governors, presidents, prime ministers, and dictators are doing their bidding by selling out their local populations to “New World Order” politics, economics, and a potential “One God Government”!
New World Order?/ One World Government?
Paradox: To fight a “One World Government” while promoting a “One God World”.
The wise men, the financial controllers, of this planet have depended on a God fog. When logic and reason replaces faith and belief, the peasants will be out of the God fog. The problem will be then, without good believers, there will be no good employees. You can bet those at the top of the world monetary and industrial pyramids will double the faith and belief budget when the God fog begins to lift. It must transform into another form of religion. It will probably manifest in the form of propaganda, enticement or maybe more devastation to create more fear. Why do you think they want you to muddle in faith and belief instead of joining their status of knowledge and wisdom through logic and reason?
Knowledge & Wisdom?
The ultimate skill to see through the “God Fog” is to think and to take full responsibility for your own actions and allow others, within criminal and civil law, to be exactly who and what they are. Who would be too prejudice or too much of a racist not to do that?
Thinkers tend to lead and live their own lives while blind-faith believers tend to follow and sell-out their lives to an authority. Thinkers often do not make good employees.
Science proves The Sun bears responsibility for most of the chaos of our planet.
In scientific terms we realize we are not the center of the universe. A God fog ego believes God runs things based on what we do, that we can disappoint God. The mystical ego insists that magic has not yielded to science. Ego assumes to be one with authority (God).
Isn’t one’s DNA one’s creator? Imagine yourself without DNA. Doesn’t one’s ego over-exaggerate it’s own creation by claiming it was created by a Super-Natural Being, God? An ignorant, mind-set ego tends to demonize much of what it does not understand and most of what it does not accept.
Up to The Book of Chronicles in this Biblical examination, no Devil or Satan exists, but, nor does any God even the believers claim to recognize. Were we lied to?
Did you know that “God” supposedly murdered 25 million people by plague in 1665, and murdered about 25,000 people by earthquake in 1993?
The in-control, perfect, just and fair Biblical God created Satan.
The in-control, perfect, just and fair Biblical God put Satan in The Garden of Eden with ignorant / innocent Adam and Eve.
God since has punished every Human Being because Adam & Eve by disobeying God and obeying Satan.
Some Christians claim that the Biblical God did NOT give Angeles “free-will”. Then, how did 1/3rd of the Angels choose to turn against God and to follow Satan?
Guard Against Satan’s Temptation?
The Biblical God threatens Judeo-Christian-Islamists, by consequence of Hell and Eternal-Damnation, to guard against Satan’s temptation?
Christian ignorance overcome: Satan successfully moved, tempted, enticed God, Himself – depending on which Bible version you use – in Job 2:3.
Job 2:3 And the LORD said unto Satan, Have you considered my servant Job, that there is none like him in the earth, a perfect and an upright man, one that fears God, and resists evil? and still he holds fast his integrity, although you moved Me against him, to destroy him without cause.
God said: You, (Satan) moved Me (God) against him (Job).
The Biblical God sends you and me to Hell and Eternal-Damnation for being successfully tempted, moved or enticed by Satan but God admitted, by “God’s Word” C&V, to be as guilty of Satan’s temptation as we are.
Does anyone claim to not believe this Bible C&V? Who claims that this Bible C&V is “misinterpreted” or “out of ceontext”? If so, who can provide the correction? My email is at the bottom of every page of “The God Murders” website.
Questions about the Bible’s Satan Based on Biblical chapters and verses:
The First Introduction Of Satan
I Chronicles 21:1 And SATAN rose up against Israel and incited David to take a census of Israel.
G: Note: This C&V introduced Satan in the 13th book of the Bible. That means that the previous 12 books of the Bible included no character named Satan. The character named Satan is a Biblical late-comer. Up to about 600 BC, the Jewish text had God doing it all – good and EVIL. In about 586 BC, the Babylonian King, Nebuchadnezzar, capture the Israelites and exposed them to Zoroastrianism – which introduced the Israelites to Satan and Hell. It was mostly Jesus Christ and the Apostle Paul who started Christianity by using – “salvation” from evil Satan and torturous Hell – to fill Christian churches. Considering the introduction of the Satan character by name in the Bible, Satan is accused to have done what the Biblical God had already taken credit for concerning David and the census stories. Conclusion: God is also Satan.
II Chronicles 11:15 And he ordained him priests for the high places, and for the DEVILS…
Nowhere in the Torah is the word or name Satan mentioned. The serpent in the Garden of Eden was documented to be a serpent.
The Hebrews / Jews of the Torah had no Heaven, no Hell, no Satan. God did it all.
There was no afterlife – only “dust to dust”.
The New Testament then scripted Satan, Demons, Devils, et al, while quoting Old Testament scripture.
1. Outside of Biblical belief – what does anyone really know about the Satan of the Bible?
2. Can you produce one name of a Bible character who Satan murdered?
3. Do you have any Biblical documentation or evidence that Satan ever murdered anyone?
(God took the hit for the killing of Job’s children.)
4. Where did Satan threaten to hurt anyone?
5. Does Satan have any commandments that Satan insists Human Beings obey?
6. Dis Satan ever threaten Hell or Eternal Torment?
7. For what specific reasons would anyone fear Satan?
8. What is the worst thing that Satan can do to you or me?
9. Do you think Satan really exists?
10. If The Biblical God is also Jesus Christ and The Holy Ghost, can God also be Satan on a bad day?
Christians claim to “pray for sinners”.
Mark Twain: But who prays for Satan? Who, in eighteen centuries, has had the common humanity to pray for the one sinner that needed it most?
Some argue: The Old Testament doesn’t matter. The New Testament replaced The Old Testament. The NT is all that counts.
Incorrect! Jesus and writers of The New Testament constantly quoted The Old Testament. Jesus claimed that He only came for the Jews. Paul was the one who included Gentiles. For many, religion should be called Paulianity.
Throughout the Strong’s Concordance, the words “SATAN” / “DEVIL” / “DEMON”, and related words, were searched for by throughout the Bible by C&V. Some C&Vs close to the target words are included in an attempt to provide context. If some C&Vs come across as redundant, it is because they exist that way within the pages of the Bible. Gary
Leviticus 17:7 The priest is to sprinkle the blood against the altar of the LORD at the entrance to the meeting tent and burn the fat as an aroma pleasing to the LORD. 7 They must no longer offer any of their sacrifices to the goat idols to whom they prostitute themselves. This is to be a lasting ordinance for them and for the generations to come.
G: It looks as if “goat idols” qualify as DEVILS in the concordance.
Goat Idol?
Deuteronomy 32:17 16They provoked him to jealousy with strange gods, with abominations provoked they him to anger. 17They sacrificed unto DEVILS, not to God; to gods whom they knew not, to new gods that came newly up, whom your fathers feared not.
Job 1:6-12 One day the angels came to present themselves before the LORD, and SATAN also came with them. 7 The LORD said to SATAN, “Where have you come from?”
“Evil” Satan and “Good” God are having a face to face conversation? Who said that the perfect Biblical God can not stand to be around Evil? Billy Graham for one.
SATAN answered the LORD, “From roaming through the earth and going back and forth in it.” Then the LORD said to SATAN, “Have you considered my servant Job? There is no one on earth like him; he is blameless and upright, a man who fears God and shuns EVIL.” 9 “Does Job fear God for nothing?”
Job?
SATAN replied. 10 “Have you not put a hedge around him and his household and everything he has? You have blessed the work of his hands, so that his flocks and herds are spread throughout the land. 11 But stretch out your hand and strike everything he has, and he will surely curse you to your face.”
12 The Lord said to Satan, “Very well, then everything he has is in your hands, but on the man himself do not lay a finger”. Then Satan went out from the presence of the Lord.
Job 2:1-7 On another day the angels came to present themselves before the LORD, and SATAN also came with them to present himself before him.
2 And the LORD said to SATAN, “Where have you come from?” SATAN answered the LORD, “From roaming through the earth and going back and forth in it.” 3 Then the LORD said to SATAN, “Have you considered my servant Job? There is no one on earth like him; he is blameless and upright, a man who fears God and shuns EVIL. And he still maintains his integrity, though you incited me against him to ruin him without any reason.”
God admits to being incited / tempted / moved by Satan – depending on which Bible version you quote.
4 “Skin for skin!” SATAN replied. “A man will give all he has for his own life. 5 But stretch out your hand and strike his flesh and bones, and he will surely curse you to your face.” 6 The LORD said to SATAN, “Very well, then, he is in your hands; but you must spare his life.” 7 So SATAN went out from the presence of the LORD and afflicted Job with painful sores from the soles of his feet to the top of his head.
In charge God permitted Job’s children and his servants to be killed – thus, God was guilty of their deaths. Satan successfully, incited / tempted / moved God.
Job’s Children & Servants Killed
Psalm 106:37 34They did not destroy the nations, concerning whom the LORD commanded them: 35But were mingled among the heathen, and learned their works. 36And they served their idols: which were a snare unto them. 37Yea, they sacrificed their sons and their daughters unto DEVILS, 38And shed innocent blood, even the blood of their sons and of their daughters, whom they sacrificed unto the idols of Canaan: and the land was polluted with blood.
39Thus were they defiled with their own works, and went a whoring with their own inventions. 40Therefore was the wrath of the LORD kindled against his people, insomuch that he abhorred his own inheritance. 41And he gave them into the hand of the heathen; and they that hated them ruled over them.
Psalm 109:6 Appoint an EVIL man to oppose him; let an accuser stand at his right hand.
Zechariah 3:1-2 Then he showed me Joshua the high priest standing before the angel of the LORD, and SATAN standing at his right side to accuse him.
Joshua – The High Priest
2 The LORD said to SATAN, “The LORD rebuke you, SATAN! The LORD, who has chosen Jerusalem, rebuke you! Is not this man a burning stick snatched from the fire?”
Story of Satan / Lucifer
Ezekiel 28 best describes the fate of SATAN that few Christian believers acknowledge or accept. The first problem is that Ezekiel identifies The King of Tyre to be LUCIFER / SATAN. LUCIFER / SATAN is “turned to ashes from within” – becomes extinct – and exists no more. The sadistic Christian religion has preferred the Revelation version whereby SATAN rules over Hell where all of the Biblical God’s rejected souls suffer Eternal Torment. The Eternal Torment scenario gives Jesus Christ more power to be a demand on believers lives through His promise to save them – if their names are in the book of life – and if they repent – and if they obey enough of God’s / Jesus’ 613 + commandments to make the cut. Finis – GWD
The King Of Tyre Is Lucifer?
LUCIFER is just another name for SATAN, who as head of the evil world-system, is the real, though invisible, power behind the successive rulers of Tyre, Babylon, Persia, Greece, Rome, and all of those evil rulers that we have seen come and go in the history of the world. This passage goes beyond human history and marks the beginning of sin in the universe and the very fall of SATAN in the pristine, sinless spheres before the creation of man.
We also see this same motif in Ezekiel: “Moreover the word of the LORD came to me: Mortal, raise a lamentation over the king of Tyre, and say to him, Thus says the Lord GOD: You were the signet of perfection, full of wisdom and perfect in beauty. You were in Eden, the garden of God; every precious stone was your covering, carnelian, chrysolite, and moonstone, beryl, onyx, and jasper, sapphire, turquoise, and emerald; and worked in gold were your settings and your engravings.
Ezekiel 28:11-19 On the day that you were created they were prepared. With an anointed cherub as guardian I placed you; you were on the holy mountain of God; you walked among the stones of fire. You were blameless in your ways from the day that you were created, until iniquity was found in you. In the abundance of your trade you were filled with violence, and you sinned; so I cast you as a profane thing from the mountain of God, and the guardian cherub drove you out from among the stones of fire. Your heart was proud because of your beauty; you corrupted your wisdom for the sake of your splendor. I cast you to the ground; I exposed you before kings How to feast their eyes on you. By the multitude of your iniquities, in the unrighteousness of your trade, you profaned your sanctuaries. So I brought out fire from within you; it consumed you, and I turned you to ashes on the earth in the sight of all who saw you. All who know you among the peoples are appalled at you; you have come to a dreadful end and shall be no more forever”.
Ezekiel described the fate of Satan:
Ezekiel 28:11 God said to Satan: You were full of wisdom, and perfect in beauty. You were in The Garden of God’s Eden. You were prepared in the day that you were created. (God Created Satan)
14 I (God) have anointed you the cherub that covers. You were on the holy mountain of God. You have walked up and down in the midst of the stones of fire.
15 (Satan) you were perfect in your ways from the day that you were created, until iniquity (sin) was found in you.
16 You have sinned. Therefore, I will cast you as profane out of the mountain of God. I will destroy you, o covering cherub, from the midst of the stones of fire.
17 (Satan), your heart was lifted up (felt good) because of your beauty. You have corrupted your wisdom due to your brightness (Beauty? Power?) I (God) will cast you to the ground before kings, that they may behold you.
18 (Satan), you have defiled your sanctuaries by your multitude of iniquities (sins), by the iniquity of your deeds. Therefore, (Satan),I (God) will bring forth a fire from the midst of you. It shall devour you.I (God) will bring you to ashes upon the earth in the sight of all them that behold you.
19 All who know you among the people shall be astonished at you. You shall be a terror, and never shall you be any more.
Ezekiel documents that Satan expires by fire from the midst (within him) and Satan exists no more.
Comments? Corrections?
Anointed Cherub?
This passage seems to be addressed to the “king of Tyre.” In reality, it goes beyond the king to the one who is behind the evil king of Tyre. This passage also has near and far prophecy about LUCIFER / SATAN because although his final end is already sure, it has not happened yet and it occurs after the final judgment (“For our struggle is not against enemies of blood and flesh, but against the rulers, against the authorities, against the cosmic powers of this present darkness, against the spiritual forces of evil in the heavenly places” (Ephesians 6:12, NIV). SATAN is the principality behind the powers of this corrupt world system. (But Satan, like all the other “Death Angels” take their orders from God.)
Notice the statement that is given in the passage in Ezekiel, “the anointed cherub.” These statements could never apply to a human king but, they do apply to Lucifer / Satan who is behind the human king. This angel is the highest creature the LORD ever created. The LORD says of him, “You were the seal of perfection, full of wisdom, and perfect in beauty.” SATAN was the wisest creature God ever created. No other angel, no other being was created with the intelligence that God gave to this creature. God says that this creation is “perfect in beauty.” Apart from the Holy Trinity; Father, Son and Holy Spirit, this creature is today the highest being.
In verse Ezekiel 28:14 it says, “You were the anointed Cherub.” This tells us we are not talking about a human king. The word cherub is singular for cherubim. The cherubim are symbolic of God’s Holy presence and His unapproachable majesty. These cherubim occupy a unique position. The “anointed cherub who covers” is the picture given to us in the Garden of Eden after Adam and Eve had been sent out and God had placed cherubim to guard the way of the tree of life. Also, when Moses made the mercy seat and placed it into the tabernacle’s Holy of Holies, God’s glory came and dwelt between the cherubim. They “covered” the mercy seat with their wings. So we now see that SATAN was a cherub and his position was to guard the very throne of God. His position was that of protecting the holiness of God. Satan had the highest of all positions, a position which he despised and lost. We have here in Ezekiel a picture of the highest of God’s creatures, perfect in wisdom, beautiful beyond description, a musician and on top of all that, he was given this high, exalted position. But, this creation, with all of these wonderful attributes also had a free will. One day, God says to this marvelous creature, “Iniquity was found in you.”
The Throne of God?
LUCIFER / SATAN – His Status
What kind of iniquity was found of him? In the book of Ezekiel, God has let us stand with Him at the very beginning, to see the origin and the creation of LUCIFER / SATAN. But, why does God say this? What is this iniquity? We must look back to Isaiah 14:12, which tells us of LUCIFER’S / SATAN’S choice. “I will ascend to heaven; I will raise my throne above the stars of God; I will sit on the mount of assembly on the heights of Zaphon; I will ascend to the tops of the clouds, I will make myself like the Most High.” Did you notice in this passage all of the “I wills. ” He said he would exalt his throne above the stars of God. The word “stars” here does not refer to what we see in the night sky. It refers to the angels of God. In other words, “I will take over heaven, I will be God.” That is LUCIFER’S / SATAN’S sin and that is the iniquity that was found in him. He does not want to be God’s servant. He does not want to do what he was created to do. He wants to be served and there are millions who have chosen to do just that; serve him. They have listened to his lies and chosen to follow him. Eve believed the lie that she would be like God. The reason LUCIFER / SATAN tempted her with that was because it is the very thing that he wants – to be God. Finis:
Eve
Story of LUCIFER / SATAN
Matthew 4:1-11 Then Jesus was led by the Spirit into the desert to be tempted by the DEVIL. 2 After fasting 40 days and 40 nights, he was hungry. 3 The tempter came to him and said, “If you are the Son of God, tell these stones to become bread.”
4 Jesus answered. “It is written: ‘Man does not live on bread alone, but on every word that comes out of the mouth of God.’ 5 Then the Devil took him to tyhe holy city and had him stand on the highest point of the temple. 6 “If you are the Son of God,” he said, “throw yourself down.. For it is written: “He will command his angels concerning you and, they will lift you up in their hands, so that you will not strike your foot against a stone.” 7 Jesus answered him, “It is also written: ‘Do not put the Lord your God to the test. 8 Again, the Devil took him to a very high mountain and showed him all the kingdoms of the world and their splendor. 9 “All this I will give you,” he said, “if you will bow down and worship me. 10 Jesus saidto him, “Away from me, Satan! For it is written: Worship the Lord your God and serve him only.” 11 Then the DEVIL left him, and the angels came and attended him.
Matthew 4:24 And his fame went throughout all Syria: and they brought unto him all sick people that were taken with divers diseases and torments, and those which were possessed with DEVILS, and those which were lunatic, and those that had the palsy; and he healed them.
Matthew 7:22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out DEVILS? and in thy name done many wonderful works? 23And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.
Matthew 8:16 14And when Jesus was come into Peter’s house, he saw his wife’s mother laid, and sick of a fever. 15And he touched her hand, and the fever left her: and she arose, and ministered unto them. 16When the even was come, they brought unto him many that were possessed with DEVILS: and he cast out the spirits with his word, and healed all that were sick: 17That it might be fulfilled which was spoken by Esaias the prophet, saying, Himself took our infirmities, and bare our sicknesses.
Peter’s Wife’s Mother
Matthew 9:32-33 While they were going out, a man who was DEMEON-Possessed and could not talk was brought to Jesus. 33And when the DEMON was driven out, the man who had been mute spoke. The crowd was amazed and said, “Nothing like this has ever been seen in Israel.” 34But the Pharisees said, “It is by the prince of DEMONS that he drives out DEMONS. “Matthew 10:8 Heal the sick, cleanse the lepers, raise the dead, cast out DEVILS: freely ye have received, freely give.
Matthew 11:18 For John came neither eating nor drinking, and they say, ‘He has a DEMON’. 19The Son of Man came eating and drinking, and they say, ‘Here is a glutton and a drunkard, a friend of tax collectors and “sinners.” ‘ But wisdom is proved right by her actions.”
Matthew 12:22-28 Then they brought him a DEMON-Possessed man who was blind and mute, and Jesus healed him, so that he could both talk and see. 23All the people were astonished and said, “Could this be the Son of David?” 24But when the Pharisees heard this, they said, “It is only by BEELZEBUB, the prince of DEMONS, that this fellow drives out DEMONS.” 25Jesus knew their thoughts and said to them, “Every kingdom divided against itself will be ruined, and every city or household divided against itself will not stand. 26If SATAN drives out SATAN, he is divided against himself. How then can his kingdom stand? 27And if I drive out DEMONS by BEELZEBUB, by whom do your people drive them out? So then, they will be your judges. 28But if I drive out DEMONS by the Spirit of God, then the kingdom of God has come upon you.
Matthew 13:39-43 He answered, “The one who sowed the good seed is the Son of Man. 38The field is the world, and the good seed stands for the sons of the kingdom. The weeds are the sons of the EVIL one, 39and the enemy who sows them is the DEVIL.The harvest is the end of the age, and the harvesters are angels. 40“As the weeds are pulled up and burned in the fire, so it will be at the end of the age. 41The Son of Man will send out his angels, and they will weed out of his kingdom everything that causes sin and all who do EVIL. 42They will throw them into the fiery furnace, where there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth. 43Then the righteous will shine like the sun in the kingdom of their Father. He who has ears, let him hear.
“The Seed ” Son of Man
Matthew 15:22 A Canaanite woman from that vicinity came to him, crying out, “Lord, Son of David, have mercy on me! My daughter is suffering terribly from demon-possession.”
Matthew 16:23 Jesus turned and said to Peter, “Get behind me, SATAN! You are a stumbling block to me; you do not have in mind the things of God, but the things of men.”
Matthew 17:18 Jesus rebuked the DEMON, and it came out of the boy, and he was healed from that moment.
Matthew 25:41-46 Then he will say to those on his left, ‘Depart from me, you who are cursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the DEVIL and his angels. 42 For I was hungry and you gave me nothing to eat, I was Thursday and you gave me nothing to drink, 43 I was a stranger and you did not invite me in, I needed clothes and you did not clothe me, I was sick and in prison and you did not look after me. 44 “They also will answer, Lord, when did we see you hungry or thirsty or a stranger or needing clothes or sick or in prison, and did not help you?’ 45 He will reply, ‘I tell you the truth, whatever you do not do for one is the least of these, you did not do for me.’ 46 “Then they will go away to eternal punishment, but the righteous to eternal life.”
Mark 1:12-13 At once the Spirit sent him out into the desert, 13and he was in the desert forty days, being tempted by SATAN. He was with the wild animals, and angels attended him.
Mark 1:32-34 32And at even, when the sun did set, they brought unto him all that were diseased, and them that were possessed with DEVILS. Mark 1:39 39And he preached in their synagogues throughout all Galilee, and cast out DEVILS. 40And there came a leper to him, beseeching him, and kneeling down to him, and saying unto him, If thou wilt, thou canst make me clean. 41And Jesus, moved with compassion, put forth his hand, and touched him, and saith unto him, I will; be thou clean. 42And as soon as he had spoken, immediately the leprosy departed from him, and he was cleansed. 3And he straitly charged him, and forthwith sent him away; 44And saith unto him, See thou say nothing to any man: but go thy way, shew thyself to the priest, and offer for thy cleansing those things which Moses commanded, for a testimony unto them.
Mark 3:15 And he ordained twelve, that they should be with him, and that he might send them forth to preach, 15And to have power to heal sicknesses, and to cast out DEVILS.
BEELZEBUB?
Mark 3:22-26 And the scribes which came down from Jerusalem said, He hath BEELZEBUB, and by the prince of the DEVILS casteth he out DEVILS. 23And he called them unto him, and said unto them in parables, How can SATAN cast out SATAN? 24 If a kingdom is divided against itself, that kingdom cannot stand. 25If a house is divided against itself, that house cannot stand. 26And if SATAN opposes himself and is divided, he cannot stand; his end has come.
Mark 4:15 The farmer sows the word. 15Some people are like seed along the path, where the word is sown. As soon as they hear it, SATAN comes and takes away the word that was sown in them. Mark 5:12-16 And all the DEVILS besought him, saying, Send us into the swine, that we may enter into them. 13And forthwith Jesus gave them leave. And the unclean spirits went out, and entered into the swine: and the herd ran violently down a steep place into the sea, (they were about two thousand;) and were choked in the sea. 14And they that fed the swine fled, and told it in the city, and in the country. And they went out to see what it was that was done. 15And they come to Jesus, and see him that was possessed with the DEVIL, and had the legion, sitting, and clothed, and in his right mind: and they were afraid. 16And they that saw it told them how it befell to him that was possessed with the DEVIL, and also concerning the swine.
Mark 5-15-20 When they came to Jesus, they saw the man who had been possessed by the legion of DEMONS, sitting there, dressed and in his right mind; and they were afraid. 16Those who had seen it told the people what had happened to the DEMON-POSSESSED man – and told about the pigs as well.
Legion Of Demons
17 Then the people began to plead with Jesus to leave their region. 18 As Jesus was getting into the boat, the man who had been DEMON-POSSESSED begged you go with him. 19 Jesus did not let him, but said, “Go home to your family and tell them how much the Lord has done for you, and how he has had mercy on you. 20 So the man went away and began to tell them in the Decapolis how much Jesus had done for him. And all the people were amazed.
Mark 6:12-13 12And they went out, and preached that men should repent. 13And they cast out many DEVILS, and anointed with oil many that were sick, and healed them.
Mark 7:25-30 In fact, as soon as she heard about him, a woman whose little daughter was possessed by an EVIL SPIRIT came and fell at his feet. 26The woman was a Greek, born in Syrian Phoenicia. She begged Jesus to drive the DEMON out of her daughter. 27“First let the children eat all they want,” he told her, “for it is not right to take the children’s bread and toss it to their dogs.” 28“Yes, Lord,” she replied, “but even the dogs under the table eat the children’s crumbs.” 29Then he told her, “For such a reply, you may go; the DEMON has left your daughter.” 30She went home and found her child lying on the bed, and the DEMON gone.
Mark 8:33 But when Jesus turned and looked at his disciples, he rebuked Peter. “Get behind me, SATAN!” he said. “You do not have in mind the things of God, but the things of men.”
Mark 9:38 38And John answered him, saying, Master, we saw one casting out DEVILS in thy name, and he followeth not us: and we forbad him, because he followeth not us. 39But Jesus said, Forbid him not: for there is no man which shall do a miracle in my name, that can lightly speak EVIL of me.
Mark 16:9 9Now when Jesus was risen early the first day of the week, he appeared first to Mary Magdalene, out of whom he had cast seven DEVILS.
Mark 16:17 . 17And these signs shall follow them that believe; In my name shall they cast out DEVILS; they shall speak with new tongues; 18They shall take up serpents; and if they drink any deadly thing, it shall not hurt them; they shall lay hands on the sick, and they shall recover. 19So then after the Lord had spoken unto them, he was received up into Heaven, and sat on the right hand of God.
Luke 4:1-13 Jesus, full of the Holy Spirit, returned from the Jordan and was led by the Spirit in the desert, 2where for forty days he was tempted by the DEVIL. He ate nothing during those days, and at the end of them he was hungry. 3The DEVIL said to him, “If you are the Son of God, tell this stone to become bread.” 4Jesus answered, “It is written: ‘Man does not live on bread alone.” 5The DEVIL led him up to a high place and showed him in an instant all the kingdoms of the world. 6And he said to him, “I will give you all their authority and splendor, for it has been given to me, and I can give it to anyone I want to. 7So if you worship me, it will all be yours.” 8Jesus answered, “It is written: ‘Worship the Lord your God and serve him only.” 9The DEVIL led him to Jerusalem and had him stand on the highest point of the temple. “If you are the Son of God,” he said, “throw yourself down from here. 10For it is written: ” ‘He will command his angels concerning you to guard you carefully; 11 they will lift you up in their hands, so that you will not strike your foot against a stone.” 12Jesus answered, “It says: ‘Do not put the Lord your God to the test.” 13When the DEVIL had finished all this tempting, he left him until an opportune time.
The Devil?
Luke 4:33-36 In the synagogue there was a man possessed by a DEMON, an EVIL SPIRIT. He cried out at the top of his voice, 34“Ha! What do you want with us, Jesus of Nazareth? Have you come to destroy us? I know who you are—the Holy One of God!” 35“Be quiet!” Jesus said sternly. “Come out of him!” Then the DEMON threw the man down before them all and came out without injuring him. 36All the people were amazed and said to each other, “What is this teaching? With authority and power he gives orders to EVIL SPIRITS and they come out!” 37And the news about him spread throughout the surrounding area.
Luke 4:41 41And DEVILS also came out of many, crying out, and saying, Thou art Christ the Son of God. And he rebuking them suffered them not to speak: for they knew that he was Christ.
Luke 7:33 For John the Baptist came neither eating bread nor drinking wine, and you say, ‘He has a DEMON.’ 34The Son of Man came eating and drinking, and you say, ‘Here is a glutton and a drunkard, a friend of tax collectors and “sinners.”
Luke 8:2 2And certain women, which had been healed of EVIL spirits and infirmities, Mary called Magdalene, out of whom went seven DEVILS.
Luke 8:12-15 Those along the path are the ones who hear, and then the DEVIL comes and takes away the word from their hearts, so that they may not believe and be saved. 13Those on the rock are the ones who receive the word with joy when they hear it, but they have no root. They believe for a while, but in the time of testing they fall away. 14The seed that fell among thorns stands for those who hear, but as they go on their way they are choked by life’s worries, riches and pleasures, and they do not mature. 15But the seed on good soil stands for those with a noble and good heart, who hear the word, retain it, and by persevering produce a crop.
Luke 8:27-50 27And when he went forth to land, there met him out of the city a certain man, which had DEVILS long time, and ware no clothes, neither abode in any house, but in the tombs. 28When he saw Jesus, he cried out, and fell down before him, and with a loud voice said, What have I to do with thee, Jesus, thou Son of God most high? I beseech thee, torment me not. 29(For he had commanded the unclean spirit to come out of the man. For oftentimes it had caught him: and he was kept bound with chains and in fetters; and he brake the bands, and was driven of the DEVIL into the wilderness.) 30And Jesus asked him, saying, What is thy name? And he said, Legion: because many DEVILS were entered into him. 31 And they besought him that he would not command then to go into the deep. 32 And there was there a herd of swine feeding on the mountain: and they besought him that he would surer them to enter into them. And he suffered them. 33 Then went the DEVILS out of the man, and entered into the swine: and the herd ran violently down a steep place into the lake, and were choked. 34 When they that fed them that saw what was done, they fled, and went and told it in the city and in the country. 35 Then they went out to see what was done; and came to Jesus, and found the man, out of whom the DEVILS departed, siting at the feet of Jesus, clothed, in his right mind: and they were afraid. 36 They also which saw it told them by what means he that was possessed by the DEVILS was healed. 37 Then the whole multitude of the country of the Gardarenes round about besought him to depart from them; for they were taken with great fear: and he went up into the ship, and returned back again. 38 Now the man out of whom the DEVILS were departed besought him that he might be with him: but Jesus sent him away, saying. 39 Return to they own house and shrew how great things God hath done unto thee. And he went his way, and published throughout the whole city how great things Jesus had done for him. 40 And I besought my disciples to cast him out; and they could not. 41 And Jesus answering said. O faithless and perverse generation, how long shall I be with you, and suffer you? Bring thy son hither. 42 And as he was yet a coming, the DEVIL threw him down and tare him. And Jesus rebuked the unclean spirit, and healed the child, and delivered him again to his father.
Luke 8:29 When Jesus stepped ashore, he was met by a DEMON-POSSESSED man from the town. For a long time this man had not worn clothes or lived in a house, but had lived in the tombs. 28When he saw Jesus, he cried out and fell at his feet, shouting at the top of his voice, “What do you want with me, Jesus, Son of the Most High God? I beg you, don’t torture me!” 29For Jesus had commanded the EVIL SPIRIT to come out of the man. Many times it had seized him, and though he was chained hand and foot and kept under guard, he had broken his chains and had been driven by the DEMONS into solitary places. 30Jesus asked him, “What is your name?” “Legion,” he replied, because many DEMONS had gone into him. 31And they begged him repeatedly not to order them to go into the Abyss. 32A large herd of pigs was feeding there on the hillside. The DEMONS begged Jesus to let them go into them, and he gave them permission.
Demons Begging Jesus
33When the DEMONS came out of the man, they went into the pigs, and the herd rushed down the steep bank into the lake and was drowned. 34 When those tending the pigs saw what had happened. they ran off and reported this in the town and countryside, 35 and the people went out to see what had happened. When they came to Jesus, they found the man from whom the DEMONS had gone out, sitting at Jesus’ feet and in his right mind; and they were afraid. 36 Those who had seen it told, told the people how the DEMON-POSSESSED man had been cured. 37 Then all the people of the region of Gerasenes asked Jesus to leave, because they were overcome with fear. So he got into the boat and left. 38 The man from whom the DEMONS had gone out begged to go with him, but Jesus sent him away, saying. 39 “Return home and tell how much God has done for you.” So the man went away and told all over town how much Jesus haddone for him.
Luke 9:43 The Healing of a boy with an EVIL Spirit 37The next day, when they came down from the mountain, a large crowd met him. 38A man in the crowd called out, “Teacher, I beg you to look at my son, for he is my only child. 39An EVIL SPIRIT seizes him and he suddenly screams; it throws him into convulsions so that he foams at the mouth. It scarcely ever leaves him and is destroying him. 40 I begged your disciples to drive it out, but they could not.” 41 “O unbelieving and perverse generation,” Jesus replied, “how long shall I stay with you and put up with you? Bring your son here.” 42 Even while the boy was coming, the DEMON threw him to the ground in a convulsion. But Jesus rebuked the EVIL spirit and gave him back to his father. 43 And they were amazed at all the greatness of God. While everyone was marveling at all that Jesus did, he said to his disciples, 44 “Listen carefully to what I am about to tell you. The Son of Man is going to be betrayed into the hands of men.” 45 But they did not understand what this meant. It was hidden from them, so they did not grasp it, and they were afraid to ask him about it.
Luke 9:49 49And John answered and said, Master, we saw one casting out DEVILS in thy name; and we forbad him, because he followeth not with us. 50And Jesus said unto him, Forbid him not: for he that is not against us is for us.
Luke 10:16-20 16He that heareth you heareth me; and he that despiseth you despiseth me; and he that despiseth me despiseth him that sent me. 17And the seventy returned again with joy, saying, Lord, even the DEVILS are subject unto us through thy name. 18And he said unto them, I beheld SATAN as lightning fall from Heaven. 19Behold, I give unto you power to tread on serpents and scorpions, and over all the power of the enemy: and nothing shall by any means hurt you. 20Notwithstanding in this rejoice not, that the spirits are subject unto you; but rather rejoice, because your names are written in Heaven.
Names Are Written In Heaven?
Luke 11:15-20 11If a son shall ask bread of any of you that is a father, will he give him a stone? or if he ask a fish, will he for a fish give him a serpent? 12Or if he shall ask an egg, will he offer him a scorpion? 13If ye then, being EVIL, know how to give good gifts unto your children: how much more shall your Heavenly Father give the Holy Spirit to them that ask him? 14And he was casting out a DEVIL, and it was dumb. And it came to pass, when the DEVIL was gone out, the dumb spake; and the people wondered. 15But some of them said, He casteth out DEVILS through BEELZEBUB the chief of the DEVILS. 16And others, tempting him, sought of him a sign from Heaven. 17 But he, knowing their thoughts, said unto them, Every kingdom divided against itself is brought to desolation; and a house divided falleth. 18 If SATAN also be divided against himself, how shall his kingdom stand? because ye say that i cast out DEVILS through BEELZEBUB. 19 And if by BEELZEBUB cast out DEVILS, by whom do your sons cast them out? Therefore shall they be your judges. 20 But if I with the finger of God cast out DEVILS, no doube the kingdom of god is come upon you.Luke 10:18 He replied, “I saw SATAN fall like lightning from Heaven. 19I have given you authority to trample on snakes and scorpions and to overcome all the power of the enemy; nothing will harm you. 20However, do not rejoice that the spirits submit to you, but rejoice that your names are written in Heaven.”
Luke 11:14-26 Jesus and BEELZEBUB 14Jesus was driving out a DEMON that was mute. When the DEMON left, the man who had been mute spoke, and the crowd was amazed. 15But some of them said, “By BEELZEBUB, the prince of DEMONS, he is driving out DEMONS.” 16Others tested him by asking for a sign from Heaven. 17Jesus knew their thoughts and said to them: “Any kingdom divided against itself will be ruined, and a house divided against itself will fall. 18If SATAN is divided against himself, how can his kingdom stand? I say this because you claim that I drive out DEMONS by BEELZEBUB. 19Now if I drive out DEMONS by BEELZEBUB, by whom do your followers drive them out? So then, they will be your judges. 20But if I drive out DEMONS by the finger of God, then the Kingdom of God has come to you. 21“When a strong man, fully armed, guards his own house, his possessions are safe. 22But when someone stronger attacks and overpowers him, he takes away the armor in which the man trusted and divides up the spoils. 23“He who is not with Me is against Me, and he who does not gather with Me, scatters. 24“When an EVIL SPIRIT comes out of a man, it goes through arid places seeking rest and does not find it. Then it says, ‘I will return to the house I left.’ 25When it arrives, it finds the house swept clean and put in order. 26 Then it goes and takes seven other spirits more wicked than itself, and they go in and live there. And the final condition of the man is worse than the first.”
Demon Being Driven Out By Christ?
Luke 13:16 Then should not this woman, a daughter of Abraham, whom SATAN has kept bound for eighteen long years, be set free on the Sabbath day from what bound her?” 17When He said this, all his opponents were humiliated, but the people were delighted with all the wonderful things He was doing.
Luke 13:28-32 28There shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth, when ye shall see Abraham, and Isaac, and Jacob, and all the prophets, in the kingdom of God, and you yourselves thrust out. 29And they shall come from the east, and from the west, and from the north, and from the south, and shall sit down in the kingdom of God. 30And, behold, there are last which shall be first, and there are first which shall be last. 31The same day there came certain of the Pharisees, saying unto him, Get thee out, and depart hence: for Herod will kill thee. 32And he said unto them, Go ye, and tell that fox, Behold, I cast out DEVILS, and I do cures to day and to morrow, and the third day I shall be perfected.
Luke 22:3-6 Then SATAN entered Judas, called Iscariot, one of the Twelve. 4And Judas went to the chief priests and the officers of the temple guard and discussed with them how he might betray Jesus. 5They were delighted and agreed to give him money. 6He consented, and watched for an opportunity to hand Jesus over to them when no crowd was present.
Judas went to the Chief Priests for Money?
Luke 22:31 “Simon, Simon, SATAN has asked to sift you as wheat. 32But I have prayed for you, Simon, that your faith may not fail. And when you have turned back, strengthen your brothers.”
John 6:70 Then Jesus replied, “Have I not chosen you, the Twelve? Yet one of you is a DEVIL!”
Note: He meant Judas, the son of Simon Iscariot, who, though one of the Twelve, was later to betray him.
John 7:20-21 “You are DEMON-POSSESSED,” the crowd answered. “Who is trying to kill you?” 21Jesus said to them, “I did one miracle, and you are all astonished.
John 8:44-58 Jesus said to them, “If God were your Father, you would love me, for I came from God and now am here. I have not come on my own; but he sent Me. 43Why is My language not clear to you? Because you are unable to hear what I say. 44You belong to your father, the DEVIL, and you want to carry out your father’s desire. He was a murderer from the beginning, not holding to the truth, for there is no truth in him. When he lies, he speaks his native language, for he is a liar and the father of lies. 45Yet because I tell the truth, you do not believe me! 46Can any of you prove me guilty of sin? If I am telling the truth, why don’t you believe me? 47 “He who belongs to God hears what God says. The reason you do not hear is that you do not belong to God.” The claims of Jesus about Himself 48 The Jews answered him, “Aren’t we right in saying that you are a Samaritan and DEMON-POSSESSED?” 49 I am not possessed by a Demon, said Jesus, but I honor my father and you dishonor me. 50 I am not seeking glory for Myself; but there is one who seeks it, and he is the judge. 51 “I tell you the truth, if anyone keeps my word, he will never see death.” 52 At this the jews exclaimed. “Now we know that you are DEMON-POSSESSED. Abraham died and so did the prophets, yet you say that if anyone keeps your word, he will never taste death. 53 Are you greater than our father Abraham? He died, and so did the prophets. Who do you think you are? 54 Jesus replied, “If I glorify myself, My glory means nothing. My Father, whom you claim as your God, is the one who glorifies Me. 55 Though you do not know him, I know him. I would be a liar like you, but I do know him and keep his word. 56 Your father Abraham rejoiced at the thought of seeing my day; he saw it and was glad. 57 You are not yet 50 years old,” the Jews told him, and you have seen Abraham? 58 ” I tell you the truth,” Jesus answered, “Before Abraham was born, I am!” 59 At this, they picked up stones to stone him, but Jesus hid himself, slipping away from the temple grounds.
Jesus Hiding
John 10:20-21 At these words the Jews were again divided. 20Many of them said, “He is DEMON-POSSESSED and raving mad. Why listen to Him?” 21But others said, “These are not the sayings of a man possessed by a DEMON. Can a DEMON open the eyes of the blind?”
John 13:2 The evening meal was being served, and the DEVIL had already prompted Judas Iscariot, son of Simon, to betray Jesus. 3Jesus knew that the Father had put all things under His power, and that He had come from God and was returning to God.
John 13:27 As soon as Judas took the bread, SATAN entered into him. “What you are about to do, do quickly,” Jesus told him, 28but no one at the meal understood why Jesus said this to him.
Acts 5:3 Then Peter said, “Ananias, how is it that SATAN has so filled your heart that you have lied to the Holy Spirit and have kept for yourself some of the money you received for the land? 4Didn’t it belong to you before it was sold? And after it was sold, wasn’t the money at your disposal? What made you think of doing such a thing? You have not lied to men but to God.” 5When Ananias heard this, he fell down and died. Note: No SATAN / DEMON / DEVIL were mentioned. Because Ananias and his wife did not give all their money, both were murdered by Peter or by God.
Acts 10:37 You know the message God sent to the people of Israel, telling the good news of peace through Jesus Christ, who is Lord of all. 37You know what has happened throughout Judea, beginning in Galilee after the baptism that John preached – 38how God anointed Jesus of Nazareth with the Holy Spirit and power, and how he went around doing good and healing all who were under the power of the DEVIL, because God was with him.
God Anointed Jesus with The Holy Spirit & Power?
Acts 13:8-11 But Elymas the sorcerer (for that is what his name means) opposed them and tried to turn the proconsul from the faith. 9Then Saul, who was also called Paul, filled with the Holy Spirit, looked straight at Elymas and said, 10“You are a child of the DEVIL and an enemy of everything that is right! You are full of all kinds of deceit and trickery. Will you never stop perverting the right ways of the Lord? 11Now the hand of the Lord is against you. You are going to be blind, and for a time you will be unable to see the light of the sun.”
Acts 26:18 I am sending you to them 18to open their eyes and turn them from darkness to light, and from the power of SATAN to God, so that they may receive forgiveness of sins and a place among those who are sanctified by faith in Me.’
Romans 16:20 The God of peace will soon crush SATAN under your feet. The grace of our Lord Jesus be with you.
Ephesians 4:27 “In your anger do not sin”[: Do not let the sun go down while you are still angry, 27and do not give the DEVIL a foothold. 28He who has been stealing…
Ephesians 6:11 Put on the full armor of God so that you can take your stand against the DEVIL’s schemes.
12For our struggle is not against flesh and blood, but against the rulers, against the authorities, against the powers of this dark world and against the spiritual forces of EVIL in the Heavenly realms. 13Therefore put on the full armor of God, so that when the day of EVIL comes, you may be able to stand your ground, and after you have done everything, to stand. 14 Stand firm then, with the belt of truth buckled around your waist, with the breastplate of righteousness in place, 15 and with your feet fitted with readiness that comes from the gospel of peace. 16 In addition to all this, take up the shield of faith, with which you can extinguish all the flaming arrows of the EVL one.
1Timothy 3:6-7 He must not be a recent convert, or he may become conceited and fall under the same judgment as the DEVIL. 7He must also have a good reputation with outsiders, so that he will not fall into disgrace and into the DEVIL’S trap.
The DEVIL’S Trap
2 Timothy 2:26 Those who oppose him he must gently instruct, in the hope that God will grant them repentance leading them to a knowledge of the truth, 26and that they will come to their senses and escape from the trap of the DEVIL, who has taken them captive to do his will.
Hebrews 2:14 Since the children have flesh and blood, he too shared in their humanity so that by his death he might destroy him who holds the power of death—that is, the DEVIL— 15and free those who all their lives were held in slavery by their fear of death.
James 4:7 Submit yourselves, then, to God. Resist the DEVIL, and he will flee from you. 8Come near to God and he will come near to you. Wash your hands, you sinners, and purify your hearts, you double-minded. 9Grieve, mourn and wail. Change your laughter to mourning and your joy to gloom. 10Humble yourselves before the Lord, and he will lift you up.
1 Peter 5:8 Be self-controlled and alert. Your enemy the DEVIL prowls around like a roaring lion looking for someone to devour. 9Resist him, standing firm in the faith, because you know that your brothers throughout the world are undergoing the same kind of sufferings.
1 John 3:7-15 Dear children, do not let anyone lead you astray. He who does what is right is righteous, just as he is righteous. 8He who does what is sinful is of the DEVIL, because the DEVIL has been sinning from the beginning. The reason the Son of God appeared was to destroy the DEVIL’S work. 9No one who is born of God will continue to sin, because God’s seed remains in him; he cannot go on sinning, because he has been born of God. 10This is how we know who the children of God are and who the children of the DEVIL are: Anyone who does not do what is right is not a child of God; nor is anyone who does not love his brother. Love one another 11This is the message you heard from the beginning: We should love one another. 12Do not be like Cain, who belonged to the EVIL one and murdered his brother. And why did he murder him? Because his own actions were EVIL and his brothers were righteous. 13Do not be surprised, my brothers, if the world hates you. 14We know that we have passed from death to life, because we love our brothers. Anyone who does not love remains in death. 15Anyone who hates his brother is a murderer, and you know that no murderer has eternal life in Him.
Jude 1:9-11 In the very same way, these dreamers pollute their own bodies, reject authority and slander celestial beings. 9But even the archangel Michael, when he was disputing with the DEVIL about the body of Moses, did not dare to bring a slanderous accusation against him, but said, “The Lord rebuke you!” 10Yet these men speak abusively against whatever they do not understand; and what things they do understand by instinct, like unreasoning animals—these are the very things that destroy them. 11Woe to them! They have taken the way of Cain; they have rushed for profit into Balaam’s error; they have been destroyed in Korah’s rebellion.
Korah’s Rebellion
1 Corinthians 5:4-5 4When you are assembled in the name of our Lord Jesus and I am with you in spirit, and the power of our Lord Jesus is present, 5hand this man over to SATAN, so that the sinful nature may be destroyed and his spirit saved on the day of the Lord.
1 Corinthians 7:5 Paul wrote: Do not deprive each other except by mutual consent and for a time, so that you may devote yourselves to prayer. Then come together again so that SATAN will not tempt you because of your lack of self-control. 6I say this as a concession, not as a command. 7I wish that all men were as I am. But each man has his own gift from God; one has this gift, another has that.
1 Corinthians 10:18-26 18Behold Israel after the flesh: are not they which eat of the sacrifices partakers of the altar? 19What say I then? that the idol is any thing, or that which is offered in sacrifice to idols is any thing? 20But I say, that the things which the Gentiles sacrifice, they sacrifice to DEVILS, and not to God: and I would not that ye should have fellowship with DEVILS. 21Ye cannot drink the cup of the Lord, and the cup of DEVILS: ye cannot be partakers of the Lord’s table, and of the table of DEVILS. 22Do we provoke the Lord to jealousy? are we stronger than he? 23All things are lawful for me, but all things are not expedient: all things are lawful for me, but all things edify not. 24Let no man seek his own, but every man another’s wealth. 25Whatsoever is sold in the shambles, that eat, asking no question for conscience sake: 26For the earth is the Lord’s, and the fullness thereof.
2 Corinthians 2:11 I have forgiven in the sight of Christ for your sake, 11in order that SATAN might not outwit us. For we are not unaware of his schemes.
2 Corinthians 11:13-15 For such men are false apostles, deceitful workmen, masquerading as apostles of Christ. 14And no wonder, for SATAN himself masquerades as an angel of light. 15It is not surprising, then, if his servants masquerade as servants of righteousness. Their end will be what their actions deserve.
False Apostles?
2 Corinthians 12:7-10 To keep me from becoming conceited because of these surpassingly great revelations, there was given me a thorn in my flesh, a messenger of SATAN, to torment me. 8Three times I pleaded with the Lord to take it away from me. 9 But he said to me, “My grace is sufficient for you, for my power is made perfect in weakness.” Therefore I will boast all the more gladly about my weakness, so that Christ’s power may rest on me. 10 That is why, for Christ’s sake, I delight in weakness, in results, in hardships, in persecutions, in difficulties. For when I am weak, I am strong.
1 Timothy 4:1 1Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of DEVILS; 2Speaking lies in hypocrisy; having their conscience seared with a hot iron; 3Forbidding to marry, and commanding to abstain from meats, which God hath created to be received with thanksgiving of them which believe and know the truth.
James 2:19-21 19Thou believest that there is one God; thou doest well: the DEVILS also believe, and tremble. 20But wilt thou know, O vain man, that faith without works is dead? 21Was not Abraham our father justified by works, when he had offered Isaac his son upon the altar?
1 Thessalonians 2:18 For we wanted to come to you – certainly I, Paul, did, again and again – but SATAN stopped us. 19For what is our hope, our joy, or the crown in which we will glory in the presence of our Lord Jesus when he comes? Is it not you? 20Indeed, you are our glory and joy.
2 Thessalonians 2:10 10If you forgive anyone, I also forgive him. And what I have forgiven—if there was anything to forgive—I have forgiven in the sight of Christ for your sake, 11in order that SATAN might not outwit us. For we are not unaware of his schemes.
Revelation 2:9-11 I know your afflictions and your poverty – yet you are rich! I know the slander of those who say they are Jews and are not, but are a synagogue of SATAN. 10Do not be afraid of what you are about to suffer. I tell you, the DEVIL will put some of you in prison to test you, and you will suffer persecution for ten days. Be faithful, even to the point of death, and I will give you the crown of life. 11 He who has an ear, let him hear what the Spirit says to the churches. He who overcomes will not be hurt at all by the second death.
Death?
Revelation 2:13 I know where you live—where SATAN has his throne. Yet you remain true to my name. You did not renounce your faith in me, even in the days of Antipas, my faithful witness, who was put to death in your city—where SATAN lives.
Revelation 2:24-27 Now I say to the rest of you in Thyatira, to you who do not hold to her teaching and have not learned SATAN’s so-called deep secrets (I will not impose any other burden on you): 25Only hold on to what you have until I come. 26To him who overcomes and does my will to the end, I will give authority over the nations— 27‘He will rule them with an iron scepter; Revelation 3:9 I will make those who are of the synagogue of SATAN, who claim to be Jews though they are not, but are liars – I will make them come and fall down at your feet and acknowledge that I have loved you.
Revelation 9:20-21 20And the rest of the men which were not killed by these plagues yet repented not of the works of their hands, that they should not worship DEVILS, and idols of gold, and silver, and brass, and stone, and of wood: which neither can see, nor hear, nor walk: 21Neither repented they of their murders, nor of their sorceries, nor of their fornication, nor of their thefts.
Revelation 12:3-17 3Then another sign appeared in Heaven: an enormous red dragon with seven heads and ten horns and seven crowns on his heads. 4His tail swept a third of the stars out of the sky and flung them to the earth. The dragon stood in front of the woman who was about to give birth, so that he might devour her child the moment it was born. 5She gave birth to a son, a male child, who will rule all the nations with an iron scepter. And her child was snatched up to God and to his throne. 6 The woman fled into the desert to a place prepared by God, where she might be taken care of for 1,260 days. 7 And there was war in Heaven. Michael and his angels fought against the gragon, and the dragon and his angels fought back. 8 But he was not strong enough, and they lost their place in Heaven. 9 The great dragon was hurled down – that ancient serpent called the DEVIL, or SATAN, who leads the whole world astray. He was hurled to Earth, his angels with him. 10 Then I heard a loud voice in Heaven say: “Now have come the salvation and the power of the kingdom of our God, and the authority of his Christ. For the accuser of our brothers, who accuses them before our God day and night, has been hurled down. 11 They overcame him by the blood of the lamb and by the word of their testimony; they did not love their lives so much as to shrink from death. 12 Therefore rejoice, you Heavens and you will dwell in them! But woe to earth an the sea, because the DEVIL has gone down to you! He is filled with fury, because he knows that time is short.” 13 When the dragon saw that he had been hurled to Earth, he pursued the woman who had given birth to the male child.14 The woman was given the two wings of a great eagle, so that she might fly to the place prepared for her in the desert, where she would be taken care of for a time, times and half a time, out of the serpent’s reach. 15 Then from his mouth the serpent spewed water like a river, to overtake the woman and sweep her away with the torrent. 16 But the earth helped the woman by opening its mouth and allowing the river that the dragon had spewed out of his mouth. 17 Then the dragon was enraged at the woman and went off to make war against the rest of her offspring – those who obey God’s commandments and hold to the testimony of Jesus.
Obey Only God’s 613 Commandments?
There are 1003 Commandments in the entire Bible.
Revelation 16:14 14For they are the spirits of DEVILS, working miracles, which go forth unto the kings of the earth and of the whole world, to gather them to the battle of that great day of God Almighty.
Revelation 19:2 2For true and righteous are his judgments: for he hath judged the great whore, which did corrupt the earth with her fornication, and hath avenged the blood of his servants at her hand. 3 And again they said, Alleluia and her smoke rose up for ever and ever. 4 And the four and twenty elders and the 4 beasts fell down ans worshipped God that sat on the throne, saying, Amen; Alleluia.
Revelation 20:2-15 He seized THE DRAGON, that ANCIENT SERPENT, who is the DEVIL, or SATAN, and bound him for a thousand years. 3He threw him into the Abyss, and locked and sealed it over him, to keep him from deceiving the nations anymore until the thousand years were ended. After that, he must be set free for a short time. 4I saw thrones on which were seated those who had been given authority to judge. And I saw the souls of those who had been beheaded because of their testimony for Jesus and because of the word of God. They had not worshiped the beast or his image and had not received his mark on their foreheads or their hands. They came to life and reigned with Christ a thousand years. 5(The rest of the dead did not come to life until the thousand years were ended.) This is the first resurrection. 6Blessed and holy are those who have part in the first resurrection. The second death has no power over them, but they will be priests of God and of Christ and will reign with him for a thousand years. 7When the thousand years are over, SATAN will be released from his prison and will go out to deceive the nations in the four corners of the earth—Gog and Magog—to gather them for battle. In number they are like the sand on the seashore. 9They marched across the breadth of the earth and surrounded the camp of God’s people, the city he loves. But fire came down from Heaven and devoured them. 10 And the DEVIL, who deceived them, was thrown into the lake of burning sulpher where the beast and the false prophet had been thrown. They will be tormented day and night for ever and ever. The dead are judged. 11 Then I saw a great white throne and him who was seated on it. Earth and sky fled from his presence, and there was no place for them. 12 And I saw the dead, great and small, standing before the throne, and books were opened. Another book was opened, which is the book of life. The dead were judged according to what they ahd done as recorded in the books. 13 The sea gave up the dead that were in it, and death and HADES gave up the dead that were in them, and each person was judged according to what he had done. 14 Then death and HADES were thrown into the lake of fire. The lake of fire is the second death. 15 If anyone’s name was not found in the book of life, he was thrown into the lake of fire.
Behold – Bible contradictions:
Revelation 20:10 And the DEVIL, who deceived them, was thrown into the lake of burning sulpher where the beast and the false prophet had been thrown. They will be tormented day and night for ever and ever.
Matthew 25:46 And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal.
This C&Vs claims that Satan (The Devil) and probably you will be tormented for ever.
Ezekiel 28:18Revelation 20:10 with: Therefore I (God) will bring forth a fire from the midst of you (Satan), the fire will devour you and I (God) will bring your (Satan’s) ashes upon the Earth.
This C&V claims that Satan will perish / turn into ashes from within and those ashes will be upon the Earth.
Believers who threaten “Eternal-Torment” aren’t much interested in Ezekiel’s version because they can’t threaten you like they can with Revelation.
Psalm 37:20 But the wicked shall perish, and the enemies of the Lord shall be as the fat of lambs: they shall consume; into smoke shall they consume away.
Thrown Into The Lake Of Fire?
Concept Of Satan: Contributing source: “The God Virus” page 59 by Dr. Darrel W. Ray
Paraphrased: When the Babylonians captured Jerusalem around 586 BC, they took the Jews back to Babylon (Iraq). During their decades of captivity, the Jews were introduced to and indoctrinated with Zoroastrianism, which then changed Judaism to the religious concept of God and Satan / Good and Evil. Prior to that time in the ancient Jewish dogma, God did it all. As with much of Judaism, the insane religion “borrowed”, adopted and plagiarized the concept of good and evil which evolved into today’s Judeo-Christian-Islamic concepts of God versus Satan. Note: The first Jewish writings, concerning the battle between God and Satan / Good and Evil, were documented about 200 BC. Of course, the Book of Job is claimed to be ancient and includes the most profound story between God and Satan. Oh, what to believe – as the Bible constantly proves to be controversial and topically inconsistent. The early writings of the Jewish God claimed that He was a God of love and vengeance. God would punish you if you were sinful and you did not worship God properly.
The Biblical God was considered to be the cause of all the evil in the world. People evolved not to like worshipping this one God who brought evil, death, misery and trouble into their lives. Like the good God idea that they invented and dogmatized, to resolve their emotional conflict, the religion later got the idea to invent or adopt an evil Satan as their good God’s soul-stealing adversary. It was a logical, rational attempt to take the heat off their now re-ordained “perfect” God. Satan was first described to love God and to be in the service of God. Satan later dared to disobey God. The “all-knowing” God did not destroy Satan. For God’s pleasure, God kept Satan around for a Chess-like competition with human lives and souls at stake. The US Government has adopted that God model as evident when it orders its soldiers and citizens to kill or die to protect its interests and to fulfill its self-serving agendas. Throughout their insane, evil competition, as first documented in JOB 2, God maintained authority and control over Satan. God has remained in charge and responsible for any destruction and evil that Satan may have carried out on mankind. The true evil, behind the scenes, is God Himself.
When God Is Very Angry?
Isaiah 45:7 I, the Lord, make peace and create evil. Micah: 2:3 God said: I am planning against this race an evil…
Malachi 2:2-3 The Biblical God said: I will send a curse upon you. I will curse your blessings. Yes, I have cursed them already. Behold, I will corrupt your seed and spread dung (shit) upon your faces…
Hosea 13:16 Samaria has rebelled against God. They shall fall by the sword, their little ones shall be dashed to pieces, their expectant mothers shall be ripped open.
Lamentations 3:38 Is it not from the most high that good and evil come?
Amos 3:6 Shall there be evil in a city; the Lord hath not done it?
The Bible documents C&V that God creates evil and imperfection. You do believe what is documented C&V in the Bible, don’t you? God’s cheerleaders / Biblically ignorant believers insist that “evil” Satan spoils “good” God’s “perfect” world. Insecure / frightened people wanted hero-models to save them. The Judeo-Christian religions created / invented a fictitious “good” God and later a fictitious “evil” Satan to become slaves to. Believers tend to run their “emotional” (do want – don’t want) lives in the same manner. Believers impose themselves on others to support and assist them concerning their do wants and don’t wants. To be a believer in this God-Satan insanity, you have to be in agreement with what you believe. I personally do not believe in nor am I in agreement with the Biblical God character – fictitious or not. Jerusalem is claimed to be God’s holy home on Earth. It is where Abraham was going to sacrifice Isaac.
It is where Jesus was crucified and later floated up in the air to Heaven.
Do Christians really believe that?
It is where Mohammad ascended up to Heaven on his horse.
Do Christians believe that?
According to Ezekiel and Revelation, human-soul eternal-afterlife Heaven will be located on planet Earth in Jerusalem. If Satan is truly an enemy of God and can hurt God, then God is not truly all-powerful nor in control – is He? If you and I truly have “free-will” and we can disobey God and hurt God’s feelings, God is not in control. If God is the same from the Alpha to the Omega and does not change – then God, Himself, proves to have no free-will. Some believers claim that Satan tries to destroy God’s relationship with mankind. I rationally view that God’s heinous and murderous Biblical C&V deeds against mankind understandably destroys the relationship. With all the murdering the Biblical God did and ordered others to do in The Old Testament, how can anyone define God as “righteous”?
Do Christian Murderers Pray to Jesus?
Murderers on death row, had their own self-serving agendas and reasons for being there. Like God, they insanely felt entitled to take the life of another to fulfill their personal agenda. A virus seeks weakness and vulnerabilities in a host in order to infect it. The only reason a normally rational individual cannot judge the Biblical God is because he or she is infected with “The God Virus”. The question is the highest form of thought. You can not think and question what you believe – for if you do question what you believe – you prove not to believe it. It’s a paradox that produces an awesome dumb-down effect. For the most part, one cannot cure a virus. One can only hope to outlive it’s sickening and life-stealing effects.
Fortunately, not all of us are susceptible to all viruses. Most of us, who were infected and somehow outlived or overcame “The God Virus”, become immune and rarely get totally infected again. Reinforced, irrational fear is what keeps “The God Virus” alive, infectious and contagious among the Biblically ignorant, fear-based gullible. Many just use the dogmatic “god-game” to genetically fulfill their predator / animal desires to damage or control the lives of others.
Ernest Hemingway: “All thinking men are Atheists.”
Authoritative religionists claim that Satan is at war and in a constant battle with God. Battles produce death and either God can not or God will not kill Satan. Millions of souls would be saved if God killed Satan – but God does not. God is not beyond killing so what does that mean? That means that God wants Satan alive. That means, as the Bible says, it is all for God’s pleasure.
Revelation 4:11 God created mankind for His Own pleasure then God destroyed (murdered) men, women and their babies when He wasn’t pleased.
God wants Satan battling with God for the souls of mankind. This just, fair and loving God has no problem sending our souls into Eternal Torment if we do not live up to God’s demands concerning God’s and Satan’s insane contest. Satan successfully tempted Adam and Eve in The Garden Of Eden to eat the forbidden fruit. For their disobedience, God punished Adam and Eve and then all humans beings who were born since for their sin. Believers claim that The Garden Of Eden is where Satan (the snake) started unleashing his evil and destructive powers on mankind. Satan is not mentioned, by name, until I Chronicles 21:1 – which is the 13th book of the Bible. There, Satan is credited with doing the same deed as God did in II Samuel 24:1.
Are Satan and God but heads and tails of the same coin? God condemns us with sin when we are successfully tempted by Satan to do something – yet the Biblical God, Himself, – was successfully moved / enticed / tempted by Satan in Job 2:3. Why would an all-knowing, fair, just and loving God send us into Eternal Torment for being tempted by Satan if God, Himself, is documented by Bible C&V to have been successfully tempted / enticed / moved by Satan? Satan’s form and appearance comes from many religions that the Judeo-Christian-Islamic religions stole (borrowed) and adopted.
Did Satan Tempt God?
Satan’s pitch-fork is from the sea-god, Poseidon’s, trident. Satan’s red color comes from the evil Egyptian god, Set. Satan’s horns come from the Greek god, Pan. Satan’s horns and the tail come from the Canaanite god, Habayu. Isn’t this evidence that religions and cultures just make it up as they go? If so – is not this evidence a form of “evolution”? Did God, Himself, come to Earth as Jesus Christ? Or, is Jesus Christ “The Son of God”? If Jesus Christ is also God and “The Holy Ghost”, did Jesus Christ impregnate His own mother, Mary, to produce Himself?
Poseidon’s Trident
The Bible claims that “The Holy Ghost” impregnated Mary in Matthew 1:18&20 – does it not? Of course, you would also have to believe in the “Trinity” which claims that God, Jesus Christ and The Holy Ghost are all one and the same. Did Satan enter into Judas Iscariot so to have Jesus Christ crucified? If so, how could Judas be judged guilty for Christ’s crucifixion? Did Satan defeat God / Jesus Christ by arranging for the Jews and the Romans to crucify Him? Did Satan have Jesus tortured and crucified for not bowing down and worshipping Satan in the desert just like God demands that we bow down and properly worship Him? If we don’t properly bow down, worship and praise God, doesn’t God judge us and then send us into Eternal Torment? If so, which is worse – Satan’s arranging for 12 hours of Jesus’ / God’s torment, crucifixion and death – or – God’s arrangement of billions of souls going into Eternal Torment? Eternity is not a long time – it is eternal / forever. And, the horrible, consistent torment is supposed to be real and beyond anything imaginable. Or, if Jesus Christ was the Old Testament Biblical God, did humanity judge and execute God for all of God’s documented murdering of humanity since Adam & Eve?
Saint Nicholas of Myra in Lycia (C. 270-343) was a real person who is now mythologized into Santa Claus, an obese old man who miraculously keeps track of the moral character of children, travels around the Earth on a sleigh pulled by flying reindeer, visits millions of houses in one night without opening any door or window, and leaves presents for millions of children.
Could parental lies concerning a supernatural Santa Claus contribute as to why the world sometimes appears so insane? Catch your urges if testifying, under oath, about your knowledge of Santa, Easter Bunny and Tooth Fairy. Your urge would probably perjure yourself for the sake of feel-good and tradition rather than admit they aren’t real.
Oh, you would probably declare the lie as just a harmless, fun game to hype up, excite and control the kids because they had best obey and be good or else.
When you lie to children about Santa Claus et al, some attach strong feelings to the lie. Later, when he or she learns that the parents had lied to them, some get the loud and clear message that occasionally it’s ok to lie about extremely meaningful things. Could a few feelings become imprinted so strongly that they cannot discern right from wrong throughout their lives? Some find themselves in prison for being over-zealous in the act of grabbing or receiving unmerited gifts.
To promote faith often motivates belief in a lie. To believe is often to support a lie. To live in a world of lies can nurture insanity, not knowing the difference between right and wrong. Aren’t you going to continue the Santa Claus agenda by further perpetuating the lie.
Believer: Of course I am and how dare you!
Evolution of superstition: Dear Easter Bunny – Dear Santa Claus – Dear God.
Bart Simpson: “Dear God. We paid for all this stuff ourselves, so thanks for nothing.”
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Does your having faith mean you don’t question? I am confident that if the God of the Universe truly exists, He is big enough to endure my questions and criticism. But can you?
Everyone who is called one of God’s Biblical heroes turns out to be flawed just like their boss.
Did the Old Testament God justify wars? Do insane egos justify the Old Testament God?
Do any or all of these negative Biblical facts affect your beliefs? Have you shut yourself off from logic and reason? Are you truly a sheep? Are you afraid?
If God had not done any of these documented deeds, would your faith be as strong? Stronger? Why or why not?
What Could Satan “The Anti-Christ” Preach?
When Satan “The Anti-Christ” comes to Earth at the end-time, what possibly could Satan preach that could sway the souls on Earth away from God?
What if Satan preached and verified that the Bible was correct – as documented Chapter and Verse – and that the Biblical God actually did all the evil, heinous and murderous deeds the Bible claims?
What if Satan verified all God’s sending of evil, confusion and delusion?
What if Satan pleaded and begged the souls to wake up and realize what they have been supporting?
Prosecution – defense perspectives / Shapiro – Bailey dialogs on Larry King:
Robert Shapiro: “Defense attorneys are not interested in the truth.”
Robert Shapiro
F. Lee Bailey: “Lawyers find witnesses who say whatever they want said.”
1st degree murder: To intentionally and maliciously terminate another’s life to fulfill a personal or selfish agenda.
Manslaughter: To intend to do something innocent and to kill someone by accident.
Concerning Uzzah, did God commit negligent homicide? Did God kill Uzzah by accident, which is manslaughter? Isn’t manslaughter still a punishable crime, under criminal law? Manslaughter is negligent killing, not pre-meditated, non-intentional murder.
Complaints Against “The God Murders” Prosecutor:
The Prosecutor has a big ego; over-charges God, the defendant; did an insufficient investigation / homework / research / job / study; Is ignorant / incompetent / corrupt / prejudice / hostile; had a bad childhood; transfers his personal psychological aggressions onto the defendant. Poor God! God has feelings, you know.
Wouldn’t a reasonable person agree that if a murder was planned-out (intended) and the victim died as a result of that attempted murder, that the murder was guilty?
Where did I charge God with any crime that the Bible C&Vs didn’t depict God being responsible for? If a man were charged with these crimes, in evidence, wouldn’t he be guilty? Can you determine guilt?
Would you acquit God due to your fear of His status and your fear of Eternal-Damnation?
If you do know right from wrong and you still acquit the guilty, are you corrupt?
I, the prosecutor, am really guilty of under-charging the Biblical God of all His C&V crimes against mankind. GWD
Former believer – awakened skeptic: I am mad at you! You ruined my treasure chest. My grandmother told me stories about the Bible when I was a child. She portrayed God as being loving and wonderful. You made me curious by projecting horrible things about God and terrible claims as to what God did. When I looked them up, what you said was there. What I saw to be gold in my treasure chest turned out to be plastic. Diamonds turned out to be glass. I loved my grandmother. I’m sure she didn’t deliberately lie to me. She merely passed on to me what was told to her. And yes, I passed it on to my kids. I don’t know if I can ever trust again. You ruined my treasure chest.
Growing pains lead to maturity or resisted self-responsibility.
You may get old and wrinkled, but the best face-lift you can have is a smile.
Make a Wish
What one person, who you know, do you wish to send to this site?
Judges 13:24 Old Hannah bore Samson and God blessed him.
Judges 14:1-4 Samson wanted a Philistine wife, outside his religion, to give his God an opportunity to murder the Philistines.
Judges 14:6-9 Without weapons, Samson tore a lion to pieces. Later, he ate honey from the lion’s dead carcass.
Samson Tore a Lion to Pieces
Judges 14:11-20 Samson bet 30 men 30 tunics to solve a riddle. The spirit of God came upon Samson, and he murdered 30 men so to steal their 30 garments to pay off a gambling debt. Samson’s wife (no name) who had just married him, made him lose the bet; then, she proceeded to marry Samson’s best man.
The spirit of God did what? Samson bet 30 men 30 tunics that they could not answer his riddle. He told his future wife the answer to his riddle. She told the men and Samson lost the bet. The spirit of God came upon Samsonand he went to the city and murdered 30 men and stole their tunics so to pay off his debt. Do you get the impact of this story?
Judges 15:4-5 Samson caught 300 foxes, tied their tails together, set them on fire, released them and they burned down the countryside.
Nice touch Samson! You have to be every demented kid’s hero.
Judges 15:8 Samson inflicted a great slaughter on his wife’s people.
Judges 15:16-17 God released Samson who found a jawbone of an ass and killed 1,000 men. Samson said: With the jawbone of an ass, I have slain a thousand men.
What a Hero!
Samson Killed 1,000 Philistines with the Jawbone of an Ass
Judges 16:1 Samson had sex with a harlot.
This confirms it. Samson is the Biblical God’s kind of hero.
Judges 16:4 Samson fell in love with Delilah.
Judges 16:10 & 13 Samson lied to Delilah.
This confirms by Bible C&V documentation that Samson, like most of God’s heroes, is also a liar.
Judges 16:17 Samson told his wife, Delilah, the truth about his strength and his long hair. The Philistines brought money. While he slept in her lap, Delilah, had her fellow Philistines shave Samson’s head to take his powers. Then, she began to mistreat him.
Judges 16:20-31 Samson realized God had left him. The Philistines gouged his eyes out. Blinded, Samson put his hands on the temple pillars. He killed more men and women bringing down the temple than he had killed during his entire lifetime, and he died himself. Samson had judged Israel for 20 years.
The Philistines gouged out Samson’s Eyes
Didn’t Samson, like Jesus Christ, Commit Suicide?
Then God gave Samson the power to destroys the Philistine’s pagan Temple. Samson murdered many.
Hummm. Didn’t Samson, like Jesus Christ, who allowed Himself to die on the cross, also commit suicide?
Samantha was born and was given to me by a friend. She is a kitty who has been totally devoted to me for over 20 years. She has slept with me every night that I was home. Tomorrow, I have to take her life.
She is my love, my sugar-pie, my angel-love, my Kewpie-doll, the totally devoted and loving daughter I never had. She loves her daddy today as much as she ever did. She sleeps at the end of the bed, and I’ll ask: Ain’t gonna give no daddy no love-love? You can come. She comes up and lays her 12 pounds on my chest and gives me lots of kitty-kisses. Then, she softly snuggles down beside me. I pet her. Samantha is a happy kitty. When she closes her eyes and purrs herself to sleep, she appears to smile with contentment. After some time, she would go back down to the end of the bed. She was careful never to disturb me while I was sleeping.
I always promised and assured my beautiful, loyal and loving Samantha Kitty, throughout the years, that should her time come before mine, I would never let her suffer. She is suddenly 20 years old. I’ve had her for over 20 years of my life and tomorrow I must live up to my promise and take her life.
Damn – this hurts!
She has been slowly losing the function of her rear legs for these last few months and she meows to come on to the bed. She, every night in bed while watching TV, snuggles and gives her daddy loving Kitty kisses. She now crashes off the bed onto the floor, rests a while and then slowly staggers, falling down every 3-4 steps to her food and water bowls in the next room and to her litter box.
The reality has closed in on me. This is pure trauma. It is now, the time has come, not to allow her to suffer anymore and to have the vet put her to sleep. Tomorrow, I will take her life.
I went to a bar last night and thought about writing this as I decided to share my tears in writing. This will be Samantha’s eulogy. As I walked to the bar, about a mile away, I validated myself by covering my oath, my promise to Samantha that I would never let her suffer. All kinds of righteous validations came to mind, like, if it were not for me, she would suffer a long, miserable and painful death. I had promised her that wouldn’t happen many times over the years. Each time she purred her “thank you”. This is making me cry! I’ve cried, but this, right now, makes it so real.
Recently, I had said to Samantha in a tender moment: “Samantha, you’ve been my kitty and I have loved you for 20 years.” She purred, looked at me lovingly and said: “But father, I’ve loved you all my life.”
I perceive that one’s love of someone can be measured – by a sense of loss.
Samantha slept with me again last night and today I drove her to the vet to terminate her life. This hurt is unbearable.
I’ll tell you something that happened. In the Vet’s office, I held Samantha and looked down into her loving, trustful eyes. I kissed her and told her I loved her. I held her in my arms and the tech gave her, her fatal shot. Then, Samantha broke my heart. She looked up at me lovingly, snuggled softly into my arms, gave me her last kitty kiss, closed her eyes and she began to purr. She purred – until she didn’t…
The Biblical God Sacrificed Himself, To Himself, To Save You From Himself
Biblical Salvation: Lie Insurance.
5 Types of Biblical Salvation
Faith * Works * Grace * Elect * Universalism
By
Gary DeVaney
“INTELLIGENCE IS CATEGORICAL”
“INSANITY IS CONTAGIOUS”
Jesus Christ, according to the Bible, was in a bad situation and Jesus needed to be saved. Jesus begged God, His Father, to “let this cup pass from Him” so to be saved. God was in charge. God did not save His “perfect” son. God planned and had Jesus be tortured and crucified to death.
While dying on the cross, Jesus Christ cried out to God, His father: “Eloi, Eloi, Lama Sabachthani” / “My God, My God, why hast thou forsaken Me?”
Jesus begged God to save Him. God refused. If God could do that to His Son, what makes you feel so special? Does the Biblical God terrorize you to make Him a fear-based, worshipful factor in your life?
If God is “The Savior” and / or “The judge for Eternal Torment”, what makes you think that God would save you in your lifetime or would save you to serve God for Eternity?
The Biblical God’s Salvation Creed: I love each Human Being so much that I will send him or her into Hell’s Eternal Torment if he or she does not obey Me and serve Me on My terms.
What is the Biblical God’s penalty for sinners? Isn’t God’s penalty for sinners Eternal-Torment in Hell? If Jesus Christ did “take on the sins of the world”, how can one man suffering about 6 hours of torment fairly and justly suffice for billions of Human Beings suffering torment for eternity? Has Jesus Christ been suffering Eternal-Torment in Hell so far for 2,000 years on behalf of sinful Human Beings? If not, how does “Christian Salvation” not qualify as a hoax?
Faith
Some Skeptics Say: Faith Is Nonsense
Where Faith Begins – Reason Ends
John 3:16 God so loved the world that He gave is only begotten Son that whosoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life.
John 3:18 He who believes in Jesus is not condemned but he who does not believe in Him is condemned already.
John 3:36 He who believes in Jesus has everlasting life. He who does not believe in Jesus shall not see life but the wrath of God lives on him.
John 6:29 Jesus said: It is the work of God that you believe on Him whom He has sent.
John 6:47 Jesus said: He that believes on Me has everlasting life. KJV
John 8:24 Jesus said: If you do not believe I am He, you will die in your sins.
Blackmail?
John 8:26 Jesus said: I have much to say about you in condemnation. Catholic
John 14:6 Jesus said: No man comes to God except through Me.
Acts 4:12 There is no salvation by any other whereby we must be saved.
Acts 16:30-31 What must I do to be saved? They said: Believe in Jesus Christ and you will be saved.
Mark 16:16 He that believes and is baptized shall be saved; but he that doesn’t believe shall be damned.
John The Baptist & Jesus Christ were Cousins Who had a family business?
What? Now, one must be baptized, too? The thief on the cross next to Jesus wasn’t baptized and Jesus promised him that Jesus would see him in Heaven that day. Hummm… Jesus, 1 1/2 to 3 days later, after resurrecting, told Mary that He had not yet ascended to Heaven. Inconsistent? Contradictory?
Romans 5:1 Being justified by faith we have peace with God through Jesus.
Galatians 3:11 The just shall live by faith.
Timothy 3:15 The Holy Scriptures are able to make you wise unto salvation through faith in Jesus.
In reality, is faith and belief when subordinates give assumed authorities unmerited gifts?
Hebrews 11:16 Without faith it is impossible to please Him. He rewards them that seek Him.
Ephesians 2:8-9 By grace you are saved through faith not of yourselves. It is a gift from God.
Greta Christina: Religion is ultimately dependent on belief in invisible beings, inaudible voices, intangible entities, undetectable forces, and events and judgments that happen after we die. It therefore has no reality check. And it is therefore uniquely armored against criticism, questioning, and self- correction. It is uniquely armored against anything that might stop it from spinning into extreme absurdity, extreme denial of reality … and extreme, grotesque immorality.
G: An excellent perspective of religion.
Works
One has to earn salvation by deeds and effort. One has to do something.
Matthew 7:21 Jesus said: Not everyone who says Lord to Me will enter Heaven, only the one who does the will of God.
Matthew 16:27 Jesus shall come and reward every man according to his works. KJV
Matthew 19:16-18 A man asked Jesus: What do I do to have eternal life? Jesus said: Keep the commandments. Don’t murder. Don’t commit adultery. Don’t steal. Don’t bear false witness. Honor your father and mother. Love your neighbor as yourself.
Deuteronomy 10:12-13 God requires: Fear God. Walk in all His ways. Love Him. Serve him with all your heart and soul. Keep His commandments and statutes for you own good.
Micah 6:8 God requires you to do justly, love mercy, walk humbly with God.
Ecclesiastes 12:13 Fear God for the duty of man is to keep His commandments.
Mark 10:17-19 Same stuff + don’t defraud.
Luke 18:18-22 Same stuff + sell all that you have and give the money to the poor in order to have treasure in Heaven.
Luke 1:25-28 Jesus said: Love your God with all you heart, soul, strength, mind and your neighbor as yourself and you shall live.
Can you be commanded to love someone?
Luke 19:8-9 Zacchaeus said to Jesus: I have given half my goods to the poor. If I have taken anything by false accusations, I restore him 4 fold. Jesus said: Today salvation came to this house because this man is a descendent of Abraham.
What’s this about Abraham? Does this confirm again that “salvation” is racist?
John 5:28-29 All who are in their graves will hear His voice and come forth. They who have done good get resurrection of life and those that have done evil resurrection of damnation. KJV
Ezekiel 18:4-9 The soul that sins shall die. If a man be just, and do what is lawful and right, and walk in My statutes, and keep My judgments, he shall surely live.
I Corinthians 7:19 Circumcision is nothing. Keeping God’s commandments is what counts.
Who keeps all of God’s 613 Commandments?
II Corinthians 5-10 We must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ according to what we have done, whether good or bad.
II Corinthians 6:17 God said: Come separate from them and touch nothing unclean, then I will receive you.
Doesn’t this again teach discrimination?
Genesis 4:7 If you do well, will you not be accepted?
Psalm 62:12 Render to every man in accordance to his work.
Revelation 20:12-15 I saw the dead, small and great stand before God. The books were opened. The dead were judged by things written in the books according to their works. Who was not found in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire. Deuteronomy 4:24 The lord thy God IS a consuming fire. KJV
So, is that God ultimate agenda? Maybe we are the sacrifices that feeds this angry God’s hunger by our being consumed in His fire. As horrible as that sounds, it could finally make sense. Revelation 22:12 To give every man as according to his work. KJV
Revelation 22:14 Blessed are they who do His commandments that they may have right to the tree of life. KJV
Acts 10:35 In every nation he that fears Him and works righteousness is accepted with Him.
I Peter 1:17 God judges impartially according to each one’s works.
II Peter 1:10 If you do these things, you shall never fail.
Romans 2:6-11 God will render to every man according to his deeds, eternal life for good works, wrath and fury for those who disobey. Jews first, then the Greek. There is no partiality with God.
No partiality? Then, how come Jews first? Isn’t this a contradiction?
Romans 2:13 Before God, the doers of the law shall be justified.
John 6:28-29 What can we do to accomplish the works of God? Jesus said: The work of God is that you believe in Me.
Do You Believe In Jesus Christ?
So, to believe is a form of work?
James 1:25 The doer who acts is the one blessed in what he does.
James 2:14&2:17& 2:20& 2:26 All say: Faith without works is dead.
James 2:21 Was not Abraham, justified by works when he offered Isaac on the alter?
James 2:25 Was not Rahab, the whore, justified by works?
She, Rahab the whore, was Jesus Christ’s and King David’s blood ancestor.
Misanthrope: A person who hates or distrusts humankind.
Many practicing Christians prove to be “misanthropic” because they are looking forward to the “end-time” when Jesus comes back to Earth to “harvest” / murder all of mankind. These practicing Christians look forward to “Judgment-Day”. It takes place after the 1,000 year “Millennium”. Then, they claim that they will be “saved” to serve God for eternity while the sinners they hate will began to spend eternity in Hell. They take pride in telling you that you will suffer “Eternal Torment”.
I Thessalonians 1:3 Remembering without ceasing your work of faith and labor of love and hope.
II Thessalonians 1:11 And the work of faith … KJV
Galatians 5:6 Faith which works by love.
Is faith and / or love a work and not grace?
I Samuel 2:3 God, who judges deeds.
Grace
Mercy, charity: God chooses unpredictably and irrationally and gives salvation to whom He wishes by unmerited gift, undeserved favor. Grace is something you can not earn nor work toward. You cannot be saved because you choose to or want to be. It is out of your hands and there is nothing you can do about it. All your tithes, your keeping of the law, baptism, love, charity, heroics, worship, sacrifice will not get you saved.
Galatians 1:15 God called me by grace.
John 6:44 Jesus said: No man can come to Me except God draws him.
Romans 2:11 & Ephesians 6:9 God has no respect of persons, no partiality.
Romans 9:13-16 & Malachi 1:3 (God said): I loved Jacob but hated Esau. I show mercy and take pity on whom I will. It’s not the will of the person, it is God that shows mercy.
Titus 3:5 Not by the good we have done, but according to His mercy He has saved us by washing, regeneration and renewing of The Holy Ghost.
Isaiah 43:25 God said: I blot out your transgressions for my own sake and your sins I do not remember. KJV
God Forgets Your Sins For His Own Sake?
Ephesians 2:8-9 Salvation is by faith. It is not attained by works of any kind.
Contradictions?
Salvation by having faith, or accepting Jesus is a doing thing. Repenting, praying, tithing, being baptized, all are doing things. Grace is not a doing thing. Is Grace a gift from God or a debt paid by God for giving mankind such a hard time? GWD
Malachi 1:4 The people with whom the Lord is angry forever. Catholic
Forever? Doesn’t that include innocent children who aren’t yet born?
Malachi 2:1-3 God said: If you do not listen to give glory to my name, I will strew dung (throw feces) in your faces.
This is more than I want to know about the Biblical God.
Logic and grace: If we must have faith and believe to be saved, must we also do something which is work? Grace, unbiased mercy, and unmerited gifts amount to no respecter of persons. Is grace blind charity, random luck? If we must do something for salvation, then mustn’t we earn it? If we earn something, it is not a gift. If we claim to believe, to have faith and to assume an entitlement or an unmerited gift of salvation, then God’s grace can not take place as an unmerited gift for anyone. By Grace, wouldn’t Hitler and other heinous criminals have as much chance for salvation as the good guys? GWD
The Elect
Predestination. God chose you before you were born for salvation. God knows it all ahead of time; He determines it, fixes it, plans it. Whatever happens to you is God’s predestined idea solely for His pleasure. Man’s free will is a myth.
Revelation 13:8-10 All names not written from the foundation of the world in the Lamb’s book of life which belong to Jesus is destined for captivity, goes to captivity.
Revelation 17:8 Whose names were not written in the book of life from the foundation of the world will see the beast.
Does this declare that only the elect named in the book of life are saved?
Revelation 20:15 Anyone whose name was not written in the book of life was thrown into the pool of fire.
So, if one is not in the book, why even try?
Romans 6:22 Now that you have been freed from sin and have become slaves of God. Catholic
Romans 8:29-30 Whom He did foreknow, He predestined to conform to the image of Jesus. Whom He predestined He called, justified, glorified.
God Knew You Before You Were Born?
Romans 9:18 God will have mercy on whom He will – and will harden whom He will. Once a leader creates a false authority for his slaves to believe in, he is easily served. Romans 11:7-8 What Israel was seeking it did not attain, but the elect attained it. The rest were hardened as it is written: God gave them deep sleep, eyes that could not see, ears that could not hear down to this very day.
Why does God sabotage one’s capacity to be saved?
Psalm 33:12 Blessed is the nation God has chosen for His inheritance. KJV
Psalm 135:4 God chose Israel for His particular treasure.
Psalm 139:16 God, You foresaw my actions written in your book before I came to be.
Proverbs 16:9 A man’s heart devises his way, but God directs his steps.
Proverbs 16:33 The lot is cast into the lap but God determines.
Then, why would any true believer be reluctant to gamble?
Proverbs 19:21 Many are the plans in a man’s heart, but it is God’s purpose that prevails.
Proverbs 20:24 Man’s goings are of God. How can man understand his own way?
I Thessalonians 5:9 God has not destined us for wrath but salvation through Jesus.
II Thessalonians 2:13 God has from the beginning chosen you for salvation.
Matthew 20:16 & 22:14 Many shall be called but few chosen. KJV
Matthew 20:23 Jesus said: For you to sit at My right of left is not for Me to grant, but God.
Matthew 24:22-24 If those days had not been shortened, no one would be saved; but for the sake of the elect they will be shortened. If anyone says: Look, there’s the messiah, don’t believe it. False prophets shall deceive the very elect. KJV
False Prophets?
What? Can you explain this!
Matthew 24:31 The angels shall gather together His elect.
Matthew 25:34 Come blessed of God, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world.
Mark 13:20 For the elect’s sake, whom He has chosen.
Luke 18:7 Shall not God avenge His Own elect? KJV
John 6:44 No man can come to me except God draw him.
John 6:64-71 Jesus knew from the beginning who would not believe Him and who would betray Him. Jesus said: No man can come to Me except it is granted him by God. Many of His Disciples left Jesus and returned to their former way of life. (What?) Jesus asked the 12, do you want to go? Jesus said I have chosen you 12, yet is not one of you a devil?
Did Jesus choose Judas to play out His agenda? How could Jesus punish Judas for doing his part? If Jesus did choose Judas, wouldn’t Judas be one of the elect names written in the Lamb’s book of life? If Judas is of the elect, could something take him out of God’s hand?
John 15:16 Jesus said: You have not chosen Me, but I have chosen you and ordained you.
John 15:18-20 Jesus said: If the world hates you, realize it hated Me first. If you belong to the world, the world would love its own. But, because you do not belong to the world and I have chose you out of the world, the world hates you. Remember, no slave is greater than his master. If they persecute Me, they will also persecute you.
Jesus said: They will also persecute you
John 17:2 God gave Jesus power over all flesh as He shall give eternal life to as many as God has given Him.
Again, how can Jesus and God be the exact same?
John 17:5-6 Jesus prayed: God, now glorify Me with the glory I had with you before the world began. Those who belonged to you, whom You have given Me.
John 17:9 Jesus said: I pray not for the world but for them You have given Me.
Acts: 2:47 God added to their number those who were being saved.
What? God added to the number in the “Book of Life” to be saved? I thought God “knew it all” “In The Beginning”.
Acts 4:28 They did what God had decided beforehand.
More evidence of predestination?
Acts 10:41 Not all the people, but us, the witnesses chosen by God, in advance.
Acts 13:46-48 Paul said to the Jews: It was necessary that the word of God be spoken to you first, but since you reject it and condemn yourselves as unworthy of eternal life, we now turn to the Gentiles. All Gentiles who were destined for eternal life came to believe.
I Corinthians 1:26 Not many wise men after the flesh, mighty or noble are called.
But, some are? It seems that Bill Clinton was.
I Corinthians 7:17 Let every man lead the life God has assigned him and called him.
Job 14:5 Man’s days are determined. God has set the number of his months and set limits which he cannot exceed.
What could possibly describe predestination more specifically than this?
Jude 4 There have been some intruders, who long ago were destined for condemnation.
II Timothy 1:9 Who has saved us not according to our works but His own purpose and grace which was given us in Christ before the world began.
II Timothy 2:10-13 I bear everything for the sake of those whom are chosen so they too may obtain the salvation in Jesus together in eternal glory. If we have died with Him, we also shall live with Him but if we deny Him, He will deny us.
How conditional. How human.
I Peter 1:1-2 Peter, chosen elect and destined by foreknowledge of God. KJV
I Peter 2:8 Even those who stumble, being disobedient were also appointed. KJV
What? Sin is in? So, based in this C&V, what difference is it if you are disobedient of not?
I Peter 2:8 They stumble by disobeying as is their destiny.
Same C&V – the Catholic version.
Ephesians 1:11 We obtained an inheritance, being predestined according to His purposes and will.
Ephesians 2:10 We are His workmanship, created in Jesus which God had before ordained…
Isaiah 42:1 My chosen upon whom I have put My spirit.
Isaiah 44:1- 2 Israel, whom I have chosen, my servant, the darling I have chosen. Catholic
Isaiah 45:4 God said: Israel is My elect. KJV
Israel Is God’s Elect?
So, only Jews can be God’s elect? What do fundamentalists say about this?
Isaiah 65:9 My elect shall inherit it. My servants shall live there.
The elect are but God’s slaves Catholic – uh, servants (KJV) to serve Him? What did Jesus Christ bring to humanity? Jesus brought either eternal-slavery to serve and worship God and Him or eternal-damnation. Like animals, death / non-existence is probably what most realists would choose. Colossians 3:12 The elect of God holy and beloved.
Deuteronomy 7:7 God chose Israel because it was the smallest of all nations.
Smallest nation? What a criteria?
Deuteronomy 10:15 God chose you above all nations.
Jeremiah 1:5 Before I formed you in the womb, I knew you. Before you were born I dedicated and appointed you.
Behold! Here it is! Here is C&V evidence that the Judeo – Christian – Islamic religions are all predestined. If so, and if God knows-it-all and is truly in-charge, YOU AND I DO NOT HAVE FREE-WILL. Case closed!
Hebrews 9:15 They which are called might receive the promise of eternal inheritance.
What?
Arrogance: An attitude of potential discrimination.
Jeremiah 49:12 God said: Even those not sentenced to drink the cup must drink it! You shall not go unpunished; you shall surly drink it!
Can you explain this?
If God predestines and prejudices everything, what’s the point of “the saving game”?
To communicate or to debate does include disagreement. Disagreement is part of communication. Insults are the focus of incompetent debaters and poor communicators.
To have faith / To believe: To pretend to know without evidence. Why do some attempt, by intimidation, to silence those who question the facts concerning God?
Some feel that God, as the Bible stories go on, becomes more like an insane character than anything considered good and heart-felt “God-like”. And, where is Satan during all this?
Spiritual / Fantasy: When you put the word fantasy in the place of spiritual, does it fit?
Spiritual / Fantasy
When common sense, logic and reason are abandoned, brute force is often empowered. Gullible masses are often sold on the agenda – that some brute force is to be the god who should be supported by sacred faith which amounts to strict nonsense. Many tyrannical individuals, groups, and yes, even organizations have used this voodoo strategy to enslave mankind to their personal power. Some men and women, throughout history, have used this tactic by arrogantly declaring themselves to be the actual god or goddess to be feared. Is the god-game but a pseudo power and control game, that uses what amounts to voodoo consequences as its agenda manifests? Common sense, logic and reason often could be the tyrant’s greatest nemesis. Was religion but the birth of primitive politics, which effectively assumed power and profit over people – by consequence, fear, blackmail and intimidation?
Universalism
All are saved – regardless
Acts 13:39 By Him, all that believe are justified from all things.
All that believe is not all.
I Timothy 4:10 God, who is the savior of all men, especially those who believe.
Especially?
I Corinthians 15:22 In Christ shall all be made alive.
Are we really into all now?
Mark 3:28 Jesus said: All sins shall be forgiven to the sons of men. KJV
Sons of men?
Romans 5:18 The free gift came to all men unto justification of life. KJV
Free gift?
Romans 11:32 God has delivered all to disobedience, so that He may have mercy upon all.
John 1:29 Behold Jesus, who takes away the sins of the world.
All the sins of the world? No exceptions?
Titus 2:11 The grace of God brings salvation to all men.
Hebrews 2:9 Jesus, Who was made a little lower than the angels, for the suffering of death that He, by grace of God, should taste death for every man.
Jesus Tasted Death for Every Man?
This Bible C&V is a gem for multiple debate. Jesus was made and was lower than angels?
II Peter 3:9 Not willing that any should perish but that all should come to repentance.
Ecclesiastes 9:5 For the living know they shall die; but the dead know not anything, neither have they any more reward for the memory of them is forgotten.
Ah, Biblically this seems to be the most logical and least punitive destiny of all. Personally, this seems to be the most desirable, probable and correct. Yes! It’s my favorite. GWD
Ecclesiastes 3:19-21 What befalls man befalls beasts, as one dies so dies the other. Man has no preeminence above the beast, for all is vanity. All go one place, dust to dust. Who knows if the spirit of man goes up and the spirit of the beast goes down to the Earth?
So, is the saving business all vanity and ego fantasy? Does this mean there is no salvation Unless you behave just exactly as God does, God is not with you? Do you feel entitled to all things? If God would have Himself tortured and killed, why do you think God would not have that done to you? It’s only fair in God’s eyes. Isn’t it? You were put on Earth to be tested. Of course, God already knows it all and God knows the result of your test. You sacrificed much of your earthly life fearfully worshipping this God. What if you find out it wasn’t good enough but God enjoyed your spikes of faith? It suited God’s pleasure on occasion – but overall it just wasn’t good enough. Well, you can always take pride in all those other lives you convinced to sacrifice to this God and who also won’t make it.
Psalm 6:5 (David said to God) For in death, there is NO remembrance of You. In the grave, who shall give You thanks?
David states here that in death there is NO memory of God. How does that fit the salvation dogma?
Death Has No Memory Of God?
Questions to believer’s sense of right and wrong:
If you create something, are you responsible for what it is?
Believer: Yes.
Do you believe in God?
Believer: Yes.
Do you believe that God created you?
Believer: Yes.
Do you believe that God will Judge you?
Believer: Yes.
Because God created you and God is responsible for the way you are, how can God judge you without judging Himself?
In 325AD, the first Christian Roman Emperor, Constantine, ordered the Council of Nicea. Within a few years, the books of the Canon came about by vote. Jesus was also voted to be Divine. This is evidence that in religion and faith, truth is democratic. Facts have no regard for emotions nor politics. Political agendas and self-centered feelings often attempt to turn solid facts into bias and deceptive truths. Do you insist on being democratic when it comes to God?
So is this the “end-time” sequence?
1. I die. Yes.
2. Comes the 1,000 year “Millennium”. Yes.
3. Comes God’s “Judgment Day”. Yes.
4. Who judges me? God.
5. Who saves me? Jesus.
6. Isn’t Jesus God? Yes. God plays the Jesus role.
7. What is Satan’s role? God plays the Satan role.
“Life is like a roller-coaster, not that it has ups and downs, twists and turns, or topsy-turvy, but that the ride is more important than getting there.”
From the book “Emotional Surgery” by Gary DeVaney
Throughout 648–330 BC, Zoroastrianism developed the abstract concepts of Heaven and Hell. It included personal and final judgment and prescribed a Path to Judgment known As-Sirat in Islam. All souls had to cross, and judgment over thoughts, words, and deeds performed during a lifetime was passed as they were doing so. However, the Zoroastrian personal judgment is not final. At the end of time, when evil is finally defeated, all souls will be ultimately reunited with their God.
In about 586 BC, King Nebuchadnezzar attacked Jerusalem and took captured Jews back to Babylon. Zoroastrianism influenced the Jews to adopt the concepts of Heaven and Hell and the Devil whom they called Satan. Prior to this time in Jewish tradition – God did it all. Salvation concerning an afterlife then evolved in the Jewish religion. Jesus Christ put Heaven, Hell afterlife and salvation into the new mainstream religion called Christianity. Zoroastrianism can be said to be a Universalistic religion with respect to salvation.
Religion is primitive politics. You are told that you live in a democracy. You have the right to vote. You go into the voting booth. One handle votes “I accept Jesus Christ and God”. The other handle votes. “I do not accept Jesus Christ and God” – with the threat – if you vote this one, you will suffer Eternal-Torment. That’s not democracy. That’s not free-will. That is Christianity.
Two contradictive Bible Salvation Myths: Non-existence vs Eternal-Torment
Ezekiel 28:18 (God said:) You (Satan) have defiled your sanctuaries by the multitude of your iniquities, by the iniquity of your traffic. Therefore I (God) will bring forth a fire from the midst of you (Satan). It (the fire) shall devour you. And I (God) will bring you to ashes upon the earth…
Ezekiel 28:18 shows that Satan, and probably all who are NOT chosen to eternally serve, worship and grovel for God 24/7 will perish, turn into a pile of ashes and become non-existent.
This “Judgment Day” scenario Biblically conflicts with the “Suffer in Eternal Torment” myth. Most impressionable egos are programmed to be horrified by the thought of non-existence. For most Athesits, dust to dust and non-existence is just fine by them. Only an insane, sadistic, vengeful and murderous God (fictional or real) would create such a game. Again, would the “Eternal Punishment” fit the “crime”?
Most insane Christians prefer that: For those who are forced to play the Biblical God’s sadistic game; Eternal-Torment is the punishment for not winning God’s insane game.
A Real Christian Testimony
I am a Christian. I believe The Holy Bible which documents Chapter & Verse that Jesus Christ died for my sins. I am a sinner. I sin a lot. I have some favorite sins. It is my sacred duty to sin so that my savior, Jesus Christ – who died for my sins – did not die in vain, pointlessly, or unsuccessfully. I am saved!
Behold – Bible contradictions:
Revelation 20:10 And the DEVIL, who deceived them, was thrown into the lake of burning sulpher where the beast and the false prophet had been thrown. They will be tormented day and night for ever and ever.
Matthew 25:46 And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal.
This C&Vs claims that Satan (The Devil) and probably you will be tormented for ever.
Ezekiel 28:18Revelation 20:10 with: Therefore I (God) will bring forth a fire from the midst of you (Satan), the fire will devour you and I (God) will bring your (Satan’s) ashes upon the Earth.
This C&V claims that Satan will perish / turn into ashes from within and those ashes will be upon the Earth.
“Eternal-Torment” threatening believers aren’t much interested in Ezekiel’s version because they can’t threaten you like they can with Revelation.
Psalm 37:20 But the wicked shall perish, and the enemies of the Lord shall be as the fat of lambs: they shall consume; into smoke shall they consume away.
I was never really religious. I thought God was a good guy.
In the beginning of my research – I was all alone.
Nobody would talk about these controversial C&Vs. Most believers still won’t.
Then I found C. Dennis McKinsey’s news-letter. McKinsey’s books are the best. I’ve been on his panel since 1995.
Why take issue with the Biblical God?
If you are going to promote the Biblical God / Character, real or fictitious, at least know what this God has done as documented by Bible C&V.
Edited in: I was once asked by Bart Floyd: “Throughout history, how many Gods have there been?” My answer slipped out: “Almost one personal God for every Ego.”
Believers defend God as if their Ego and God were synonymous.
Christians always try to convert you to their God.
I take issue with the God / Character as depicted by Bible C&V.
At least know what you are promoting and financing.
At the end of each of my website links, I have, in essence: “If this is in error and you have a valid correction – I will change it.”
The USA is not a country of Gods or men – but a country of laws.
To kill a human being to fulfill a personal agenda is murder.
Take “God” out pf any context and put “authority” in its place, it will fit every time.
God is a divorcee: Jeremiah 3:8
Luke 19:27
Every true Christian is at war. They wage war against your will to convert and to conform your “free will” to God’s will.
Outside the laws of nature and science, all authority on planet Earth is assumed authority.
Prayer: If you can get a person to truly worship authority and obedience to God’s will, then, an “assumed” authority can successfully step in to take authority over you. Kings and Presidents count on your being religious so they can do that. They require your total obedience – often to your death. Ergo, to pray to a false authority gives rise to an assumed authority’s ability to take its place.
The US government gives billions to the churches each year in tax breaks. Why?
Praying is practicing obeying and to actively beg for a superior authority to lead you. You are praying to be a slave and a follower to authority. You then pressure others that you assume authority over to pray as it gives you the benefit of their practicing obedience to you.
Jesus’ family values.
(Edited in): God is the first corporation. A Corporation is a fictitious entity, created by law, with bylaws, and an agenda. As long as the Corporation is financed, it will exist as a control over and a benefit to those who serve, sacrifice for and who finance it.
Job 2-3: God said to Satan: You enticed / tempted Me.
Job: God was tempted / enticed?
The Lord’s Prayer: Lead us not into temptation.
Who are you praying to? Some think temptation was Satan’s job! Is Satan just the Biblical God on a bad day?
Satan has to get permission from God for everything he does with human beings.
Jesus’ attitude is wrong and a bad model for humanity.
My slogan: “The Biblical God is not a good God and the Bible is not a good model for humanity.” They have been ugly models for humanity. They have cause more death and destruction for humanity than any other source. It’s time for them both to be retired from humanity.
All are born Atheists and are programmed to become Islamic, Christian, Hindu, Buddha religious.
Define good and bad:
Jesus: Do unto other as you would have them do unto you.
Buddha: Do not do unto others what you would not done unto you. Legal!
Satan 13 book, Samuel, in OT did same as God did in Kings.
God’s Death Angels killed all the Egyptian first-born, 1 million Ethiopians and others.
God sent lying spirits.
Free-will: If just one person truly has “free-will”, God is not omnipotent. If God does not change, God, Himself, does not have “free-will”.
What? Sitting at God’s feet worshipping, groveling for eternity? I’ll pass.
I am a fundamentalist Bible critic. It is best that I debate a fundamentalist Bible clergy. They cannot duck knowing a specific Bible, C&V. One who does not know the Bible, C&V, is the hardest to debate. Most believer’s faith and their debate is based solely on their ego-filled feelings. They defend God as if their Ego were being attacked.
Jesus’ female blood-line: Tamar sold sex, Rahab the harlot outside Hebrew bloodline, Ruth laid Boaz, Bathsheba adultery, Mary 13 year-old or so, strange conception.
Trinity: Jesus impregnated his own mother to produce Himself.
Regards, Gary DeVaney
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Hosea 9:7 The prophet is a fool, the man of the spirit is mad…
Micah 3:5 Prophets make My people error…
Lamentations 2:14 Your prophets have seen for you – false, deceptive visions.
I Kings 20:35-36 God caused a prophet to say to his companion: Strike me. The companion refused. God’s prophet said: Since you did not obey the voice of God, when we part a lion will kill you. When they parted a lion killed him.
Prophet Killed by Lion
I Kings 22:19-23 God, after holding counsel with His Angels, permits His prophets to lie and deceive others on His behalf. God put a lying spirit in the mouths of all these prophets of yours and decreed evil against you.
Jeremiah 23:16 God said: Don’t listen to the words of the prophets.
They speak of their own heart and not out of the mouth of God.
Ezekiel 14:9 If a prophet be deceived, I, God, deceived that prophet.
Israelite Prophets became important and were listened to mostly in times of fear and war. Let’s look at Isaiah, Amos and Hosea. Each prophet promoted and projected their one God based on their personal life-experience. Each jealously condemned the Israelite worship of other gods. Isaiah, over 50 years, was influential during the reigns of at least 4 Israelite / Judah kings. He envisioned and projected God as a King. Amos was a shepherd who described empathy with the poor. Hosea, who had marriage problems, described God as a jilted and jealous husband – who still desired his wife, Israel.
Genesis 3:6 Eve disobeyed God, ate the forbidden fruit; then gave it to Adam to eat.
Genesis 18:15 Sarah, Abraham’s wife and half-sister lied and went to be a wife to Pharaoh.
Webster’s dictionary: Lie: To utter falsehood with an intention to deceive; to utter falsehoods habitually. To cause an incorrect impression. To present a misleading appearance.
God’s female heroes are not beyond lying as well as the males.
Genesis 31:34-35 Rachel deceived her father.
Judges 4:21 Jael murdered Sisera. She drove a tent-pin through his head with a hammer while he slept.
The Bible is the purest art; wherein, the definitions of good and evil get transposed. Believers who read the Bible and still support it prove to be dyslexic.
Genesis 38:15-27 Tamar prostituted herself and seduced Judah, the father of her late husband.
Tamar sold sex and was in Jesus Christ’s lineage and bloodline.
Joshua 2:8-13 Rahab, the harlot, was a traitor to her people. She was a great, great grandmother of King David and a blood lineage of Jesus Christ.
II Samuel 11 Bathsheba appeared to be a willing adulteress.
Do believers want these “ladies” to become the models of their little girls?
Peter is considered to be the first Catholic Pope.
Luke 5:8 Peter admitted that he was a sinful man.
Matthew 14:31 Peter was rebuked by Jesus for doubting and having so little faith.
Matthew 16:22 Peter rebuked Jesus – accused Jesus of lying – of making a false statement.
Matthew 16:23 Peter was called “Satan” by Jesus.
Jesus Called Peter Satan?
For Jesus to call Peter “Satan”, is this not a disqualification for sainthood?
Matthew 19:27 Peter wanted to know what was in it for him if he followed Jesus. Catholic
John 18:10 Peter cut off the ear of Malts with a sword.
Galatians 2:11-12 Peter refused to eat with converted Gentile Christians.
Acts 2:36 Peter said: God made Jesus Lord and Christ.
What? Jesus was neither Lord nor Christ at one time? Jesus was not God?
Matthew 26:70-75 Peter had said he would never desert Jesus – then Peter denied Jesus 3 times.
Jesus had stated in Matthew 10:33 & Luke 12:9: Whosoever will deny Me before men I will also deny him before My Father in Heaven. How could Peter make it to Heaven? Did Peter make the cut in spite of Christ’s words? Was Peter good enough? What human being who lives a full life is good enough? Is God’s Heaven an empty place. Isn’t there war in Heaven?
Luke 24:10-12 Peter did not believe the resurrection as stated by the women.
Acts 5:1-10 Peter publicly accused Ananias and his wife of lying to God. They fell dead of fright.
Either Peter or God killed Ananias and his wife for not giving up all of their money.
Peter sought to appeal to only the Jews. Paul sought to appeal mostly to non-Jews. Peter and Paul argued and did not agree on much of what Christianity should be. Peter ran Christianity strictly under the law. Paul ran Christianity not under the law but by grace.
II Peter 2:7-8 Peter alleged that Lot was righteous although Lot offered his 2 virgin daughters to a mob.
Then Lot, himself in Genesis 19:8, had sex with and knocked-up both of his very own virgin daughters.
Genesis 19:30-38 Lot even made them both pregnant with his very own sperm.
This scenario of incest is obviously good, righteous and proper to Peter and to the Biblical God. Unfortunately, some fathers throughout history have taken notice.
Peter became “The Rock” – “The 1st Pope” – “The Cornerstone of The Holy Catholic Church.”
Peter = The 1st Pope?
Some question, think and value knowledge over faith. Most who believe – do not question their own beliefs. Believers do not value knowledge over faith. Many believers tend to value control over facts and content. Some tend to re-invent themselves by blessing (ordaining) themselves into a state of Godliness; thus, they assume power and authority over others. Some believers set and ten claim their divine authority over power, logic and reason. Many beliefs are based upon ignorance, superstition, dogma, ego and arrogance.
Many believers “believe” that they can “will” their beliefs into reality.
Many who righteously believe simply get off on righteously lying.
Pater and the Apostle Paul were at odds. Peter pushed the law and was for the Jews. Paul couldn’t get the Jews to convert so he pursued the gentiles and claimed that those who followed himself and Jesus Christ were not under the law but were saved by grace. To give you an idea of Paul’s self-importance and ego:
Galatians 1:8 Paul said: But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed.
For any other Godspell preacher to preach anything other than what Paul preached, Paul wanted them cursed. Paul wanted to be followed as the leader of Christianity.
I Corinthians 7 Paul said: It is a good thing for a man not to touch a woman. Because of immorality, every man should have his own wife and every woman her own husband. They should fulfill their duties towards each other. Neither have authority over their own bodies, the other does. Don’t deprive each other except for prayer then come back to each other so Satan doesn’t tempt you through lack of self-control. I wish everyone to be as I am, but each has a gift from God. For the single, it is better to stay single as I do. If you don’t have self-control, you should marry. It is better to marry than to be on fire. If you’re married, you should not separate nor divorce. If your spouse is an unbeliever, don’t divorce him or her for he or she becomes holy through you. (How?) By being together, your children will be holy. If the unbeliever separates, let him or her. You are not bound in such cases. (Really?) Live as God has assigned you. Are you bound to a wife? Then, do not seek separation. Are you free for a wife? Then do not look for a wife. (What?) If you marry, you do not sin, but you will experience affliction in your earthly life. I would like to spare you from that. Let those having wives act as not having them (Whoa!).
I’d like to see you free of anxieties. Unmarried men and virgin women are anxious about how to please God. Married men and women are anxious about how to please each other; taking away and distracting from God. If one thinks he is behaving improperly toward his virgin, and if a critical moment has come and so it has to be, let him do as he wishes. He commits no sin. Catholic
G: What? Isn’t Paul promoting rape, out of wedlock sex and teen pregnancy?
P: Let them get married. The one who marries his virgin does well. The one who does not marry her will do better.
The Marriage of the Virgin?
G: Paul is not hot on marriage, is he? Doesn’t she, the lady, have any say in the matter?
P: A wife is bound to her husband as long as she lives. If her husband dies, she is free to re-marry. She is blessed in my opinion if she remains single. I think I have the spirit of God.
I Corinthians 11:9 Paul said: Man was not created for woman, but woman was made for man.
Paul said: Woman is made to serve man. How do you feel about that? Does your wife or girlfriend know? Is Paul’s view of women something women valid in divorce court? Why not? In church, have you heard that wives should be submissive to their husbands? Is what the Bible teaches us mostly in the minds of those who wrote it?
Pastor Arnold Murray: God, Himself, is a divorcee because He divorced Israel – and Judah as well, as it is written in Jeremiah 3:8.
I Corinthians 11:14 If a man wears long hair, it is a disgrace to him.
Paul just may have been bald.
I Corinthians 16:22 If any man loves not the Lord Jesus Christ, let him be anathema (cursed). KJV
II Corinthians 11:8 Paul said: I robbed other churches in order to minister to you. KJV
Paul, who wrote about one half of the New Testament is an admitted thief.
The Catholic Church preaches Paul’s teachings much more than Jesus Christ’s teachings. Instead of “Christianity”, maybe the Catholic Church should call its teachings “Paulianity”.
Enough of Paul, an admitted thief who wrote about 2/3rd s of The New Testament.
The Catholic Church did not forbid its Priests to marry until 1139 AD. Before that Catholic Priests could have sex and families.
Celibacy keeps Priests from giving their assets to their families. The Catholic Church just gets richer.
The Seventh Commandment: Exodus 20:14 Thou shalt not commit adultery.
Austin Cline: This is one of the shorter commandments and probably has the form it originally did when written, unlike the much longer commandments that were probably added to over the centuries. It is also one of those regarded as among the most obvious, easiest to understand, and most reasonable to expect everyone to obey. This, however, is not entirely true.
It is reasonable to argue that certain non-sexual acts may be wrong and even more reasonable to argue that sinful acts always start with impure thoughts, and therefore to stop sinful acts we must pay more attention to the impure thoughts. It is not reasonable, however, to equate thoughts or words with adultery itself. Doing so undermines both the concept of adultery and efforts to deal with it. The problem, naturally enough, lies with the meaning of the word “adultery.” People today tend define it as any act of sexual intercourse outside of marriage or, perhaps a bit more narrowly, any act of sexual intercourse between a married person and someone who is not their spouse. That is appropriate in contemporary society, but it isn’t not how the word has always been defined.
The ancient Hebrews, in particular, had a very restricted understanding of the concept and limited it to just sexual intercourse between a man and a woman who was either already married or at least betrothed. The marital status of the man was irrelevant. Thus, a married man was not guilty of “adultery” for having sex with an unmarried woman.
G: Don’t these items answer a multitude of moral and legal questions throughout history?
This restriction makes sense if we remember that at the time women were often treated as little more than property – a slightly higher status than the slaves but not nearly as high as that of men.
Because women were like property, having sex with a married or betrothed woman was regarded as misuse of someone else’s property (with the possible consequence of children whose actual lineage was uncertain – the main reason for treating women this way was to control their reproductive capacity and ensure the identity of the father of her children). A married man having sex with an unmarried woman was not guilty of such a crime and thus was not committing adultery. If she also wasn’t a virgin, then the man wasn’t guilty of any crimes at all.
A “slave mentality” includes those who cannot and / or who prefers not to live free. Freedom is unaccountable time. How much unaccountable time do you live by? Do you account to God?
Unaccountable Time
This exclusive focus on married or betrothed women leads to an interesting conclusion. Because not all extramarital sex acts qualify as adultery, even sexual intercourse between members of the same sex would not be counted as violations of the Seventh Commandment. They might be regarded as violations of other laws, but they wouldn’t be a violation of the Ten Commandments – at least, not according to the understanding of the ancient Hebrews.
Marriage must be Consummated by Sexual Intercourse to be Legal
Contemporary Christians define adultery much more broadly, and as a consequence almost all extramarital sex acts are treated as violations of the Seventh Commandment. Whether this is justified or not is debatable. Less debatable are the attempts to expand the understanding of “adultery” beyond even sex acts themselves.
Many have argued that adultery should include lustful thoughts, lustful words, polygamy, etc. Warrant for this is justified by the words of Jesus: “You have heard that it was said by them of old time, Thou shalt not commit adultery: But I say unto you, That whosoever looketh on a woman to lust after her hath committed adultery with her already in his heart.“ (Matthew 5:27-28)
My personal views on marriage: I’m not interested. I prefer to live by “freedom” which is (unaccountable time)”. What happens when you try to live by unaccountable time, and you are married? Figure it out.
Kirk Fechter, an astute legal mind, contributed:
“Violation of the 7th commandment makes you liable for life in prison in Michigan.”
Pastor Arnold Murray teaches the Bible, chapter and verse, on television. About one half of his broadcast is dedicated to write-in questions. Here are some of his, out of the mainstream, answers to questions written in:
Pastor Murray said: Ham’s sin was Ham had sex with Noah’s wife, his mother. That is what Noah cursed Ham for.
G: Doesn’t Murray admit here that Noah did curse Ham?
Leviticus 18:8 The nakedness of your father or mother you shall not uncover. KJV
Leviticus 20:11 The man who lies with his father’s wife uncovers his father’s nakedness. KJV
Q: Another related question – Rusty from California: Please explain the curse of Ham?
Murray: You’ve been listening to preachers, because there was no curse put upon Ham and you’re mistaken. In Genesis 9, the curse was placed upon Canaan, not Ham, by Noah because Canaan was notNoah’s child. Ham uncovered the nakedness of his father which means according to Leviticus 20:11: Ham sexually seduced Noah’s wife (his mother). Canaan wasn’t Noah’s son, but Ham’s. Noah didn’t want to face Ham and drove him away and said he would be a servant to others. Some preachers amaze me. An act of intercourse changed his color? That’s the height of ignorance.
My black brothers (Murray is white) are many times told they are part of this curse and that’s also idiocy and a lie. God created that race on the 6th day, He liked it. It was good. He created all races on the 6th day. Then, He created Adam because He didn’t have a tender of the garden. But, there wasn’t a curse on Ham and it’s the traditions of men that make you ask the question and don’t feel bad. But, may all preachers that teach it feel bad and do their homework before they teach.
Q: So, Adam was not the first man on Earth?
Murray said: There was a “First-Earth-Age” and people (men only) before the age of Adam.
Heidelberg man Nebraska man Piltdown man Peking man
Neanderthal man New guinea man Cro-Magnon man Modern man
Q: Does that explain the millions of years that science claims before Biblical events?
Murray said: Genesis, in the original manuscripts, supports that the Earth is millions of years old. He insists that there was a “First-Earth-Age” prior to the human beings created on the 6th day of creation, long before the popular story of Adam and Eve. Murray states that Adam and Eve were specifically created on the 8th day so to tend God’s garden and to provide a womb / blood-lineage for His pre-destined plan of Jesus Christ. Pastor Murray, just how can there be a “First-Earth-Age” prior to creation?
G: Pastor Arnold Murray is the super-model of being religious as his ego comes across as being charged up with authority. The religious zealot attempts to establish and lead his hierarchy based on coat-tailing established, authoritative God-dogma and tardyon. “Tradition” is the dead leading the blind.
(Murray had just summed up another question with the statement: “What is important is to help those who need help without over-powering them.”)
Q: Ranson(?) age 12 from Indiana: If the Bible says “love your enemies” then, is it a sin to join the Army?
Murray said: No! Not at all! Fantastic! Marvelous! What are you supposed to do to a child if he needs an attitude adjustment? You are supposed to correct them and you are not supposed to spare the rod. So it is with your enemy. If you love them – you give them an attitude adjustment. That’s what we have troops for – to give attitude adjustments.
G: Is this “pastoral guidance” made by Pastor Murray?
1. The USA is supposed to authoritative correct another nation and not spare the rod by killing them?
2. If you love them you kill them to correct them.
G: Murray proves to be a global tyrant to think he has to right to give individuals and other nations “attitude adjustments” – by killing them or by threatening Hell as their destination.
G: Ranson, at age 12, has no enemy that he should seek out to kill. The US government does that for him because of mind-set, war-supportive war-hawks like Arnold Murray. These war-hawks are power / authority crazy. They view that we should be at constant war so that we remain strong and so that no one dare to attack us and our pseudo-authority. Even when there is no enemy, the “War-Hawks” constantly invent one or more enemies for these causes.
In reality, most of the troops and civilians who were slaughtered and / or injured during war, had no attitude to be adjusted. These troops and civilians were either victims in defense or they were the war-waging troops just following imperialistic orders. The only attitude that needed to be adjusted was the war-wager. Fair war would be for the political leaders to fight it out instead of sacrificing all the innocent for their ego-driven wars. In war, a villain is a hero to the other side.
War is insanity waged by insane people. The evil politicians are the insane wagers of war. Evil, God-like clergy support those evil politicians. Who, by name, did Satan murder / kill in the Bible? As written, C&V, the Biblical God (who Murray worships) did it all. Humanity will never be at peace as long as the Murray’s of the world mouth-off their vengeful authority.
Murray rants on (paraphrased): It’s a wonderful thing (for you to be) in the Army for our Army gives us freedom of religion. I’ve shed blood to keep this nation free. I don’t regret that one iota.
G: Murray often boasts of how he has shed blood as a Marine in Korea. He is truly proud that he has killed other men for a cause.
Murray said: Freedom is not cheap. People have paid great prices all along and still are for freedom. Don’t let any panty-wastes tell you to not be a military person. They are to be respected (obeyed) and they are servants of God. We pretty well do what’s right. You’ve got some liberal pantywaists whose elevators stop short of the top floor.
G: “Freedom” to Murray is not “unaccountable time”. That, to Murray, is blasphemy. His idea of freedom is – to do what he wants to – to whom he wants to – when he wants to. That defines “power” – not freedom. The last thing that Arnold Murray wants to hear in his atmosphere is: “I am the master of my life. You, and your God, are not. I live by unaccountable time and do not account to you or your God.” Enforceable criminal and civil laws I do willfully support and obey. You try to set yourself – and your fictitious God – up as some enforceable law – and, in reality, you are not.
Ego has to feel that god / ego is on its side. , Because ego is all there is (no god) ego tries to supercharge itself by creating / inventing a personal god to super-charge itself. By imagining and pretending, you will hypnotically get others to believe your god / ego is real and to be obeyed. A belief has to fear consequence in the god-game.
Murray preaches his fictitious God’s authority. It is hypnotic. Take away Murray’s hypnotic God-power authority and what remains? A powerless, Murray – and the frustrated “HOPE” that other dictators feed on to impose their will on others.
Redundantly, other than hypnotic belief, Murray, nor his ego / god, have any authority or power. He is just a big bully and an authoritative blow-hard with an audience. So was Hitler.
Murray said: “If you don’t love and obey God, He will allow Satan to clean your clock.”
G: Murray claims that “good” God uses “evil” Satan to do his dirty-work. Then, Murray’s “in control” God has to be the “evil” script-writer behind the “play-actor”, Satan. Murray does try to have it both ways. Murray claims that Satan is God’s adversary – yet – Satan does God’s dirty-work? Ah, the insanity of belief!
G: Throughout the Bible, God is against all the people mentioned – except for some of His corrupt heroes. God often went against, had killed and captured His own “chosen”. Everybody and everything upsets God – Who is the most miserable, jealous, vengeful, tyrannical, monstrous and murderous character (fictional or real) in the entire Bible.
Randal: Q: When Jesus took on the change and transfigured his body, did He stay in that shape when He faced the cross?
Murray: Jesus did not change. He took only 3 people with Him on the mountain with Him. Jesus allowed them to witness the transfiguration for one reason. His body was not going to be found. Because had His body been found, nobody would have believed that He resurrected. So, the transfiguration was to document that Jesus would resurrect. It was so liars could not say that Jesus did not resurrect. Ok?
Q: Barry, from New Jersey: Are the two winged figures on the Ark of the Covenant Michael and Satan?
Pastor Murray’s answer: “The King Of Tyre” is Satan according to Ezekiel 28 and Satan is one of the two Cherubim who guards God’s throne / mercy seat. The other Cherubim is not written to be known by name. But, I believe it is the Archangel Michael.
G: Pastor Murray, are you claiming that an Archangel is a Cherubim? Is there any Biblical evidence that the second Cherubim is the Archangel Michael? Where doe Murray get this stuff?
Murray continues: If Christ and God are sitting on the throne, who will put God’s enemies under His feet? God will have His “Elect” (Murray claims to be of the Elect) put God’s enemies under His feet.
G: So, Murray claims here that it is his job to put God’s enemies under God’s feet. Murray wages war with any who do not love his God – fictional or not. Can you imagine what kind of monster Arnold Murray would turn into if he truly had power and authority over you? Christians are charged to wage “spiritual” war on all non-Christians. Christianity is a warlike religion.
Murray said: As long as you love God – fine! If you don’t love God – that is wickedness. God will correct you. Everything you have will be up in smoke.
G: Murray’s “praise and punishment” are the tools of dog training. Thinking human beings do not respond like dogs. Believers do. Knowing the Biblical God’s C&V rap-sheet, I do not love the Biblical God. And, Pastor Murray, learning about your power-crazy attitude and behavior over the past 20 years, I’m not too ecstatic with you either. I’d love to publicly debate my selected Bible C&Vs with you – as long as you kept you 9 MM pistol in your briefcase.
9 MM Pistol
And, don’t even think of “going behind the woodshed” as I personally want to get through the rest of this life without killing someone.
Murray: Ham’s sin was Ham had sex with Noah’s wife, his mother. That is what Noah cursed Ham for.
G: Doesn’t Murray admit here that Noah did curse Ham?
Leviticus 18:8 The nakedness of your father or mother you shall not uncover. KJV
Leviticus 20:11 The man who lies with his father’s wife uncovers his father’s nakedness. KJV
Q: Another related question – Rusty from California: Please explain the curse of Ham?
Murray: You’ve been listening to preachers, because there was no curse put upon Ham and you’re mistaken. In Genesis 9, the curse was placed upon Canaan, not Ham, by Noah because Canaan was notNoah’s child. Ham uncovered the nakedness of his father which means according to Leviticus 20:11: Ham sexually seduced Noah’s wife (his mother). Canaan wasn’t Noah’s son, but Ham’s. Noah didn’t want to face Ham and drove him away and said he would be a servant to others. Some preachers amaze me. An act of intercourse changed his color? That’s the height of ignorance. My black brothers (Murray is white) are many times told they are part of this curse and that’s also idiocy and a lie. God created that race on the 6th day, He liked it. It was good. He created all races on the 6th day. Then, He created Adam because He didn’t have a tender of the garden. But, there wasn’t a curse on Ham and it’s the traditions of men that make you ask the question and don’t feel bad. But, may all preachers that teach it feel bad and do their homework before they teach. Q: So, Adam was not the first man on Earth?
Murray: There was a “First-Earth-Age” and people (men only) before the age of Adam.
G: Does that explain the millions of years that science claims before Biblical events?
Murray: Genesis supports, in the original manuscripts, that the Earth is millions of years old. He insists that there was a “First-Earth-Age” prior to the human beings created on the 6th day of creation, long before the popular story of Adam and Eve.
Murray states that Adam and Eve were specifically created on the 8th day so to tend God’s garden and to provide a womb / blood-lineage for His pre-destined plan of Jesus Christ. Pastor Murray, just how can there be a “First-Earth-Age” prior to creation?
Q: 11-16-2009: Pastor Arnold Murray addressed a write-in, “Larry”, on the military: Larry, you have never been in the military – have you? Do you know why I can tell? Because when you become a professional killer – and that’s what a military person is – you are taught to kill with anything – string, dirt, your bare hands, knowing where to twist and snap. You’ve got weapons all around you. And, when God is directing you – you’ve got some awesome warriors. With God’s aid, they couldn’t lose. David killed a giant with leather string and a rock. He sunk a deadly wound right in his head. A professional killer is a professional killer but he only kills for the right reasons to protect his family, his country and God’s word.
G: Thank you Pastor Murray for this truly accurate display the military mentality of the United States Government. I view that the classification just to the “right” of “conservative” is “fundamentalist”.
Do I, Gary DeVaney blindly believe, follow or obey? No! I believe (commit to) absolutely nothing concerning religion, except to figure out it’s hypnotic hold over people. That way, I am free to experience and remain open-minded to learn everything people are exposed to or exploited, blackmailed and pressured by. I am interested in how competing religions, which after study, I consider to be primitive politics (power and profit over people) affect people. People use gods and religions to compete for authority over other people, while sucking support and money from them.
People tend to support as an imagined, insecure form of insurance because they want support and money from others if hard times fall.
Q: Randal: When Jesus took on the change and transfigured his body, did He stay in that shape when He faced the cross?
Murray said: Jesus did not change. He took only 3 people with Him on the mountain with Him. Jesus allowed them to witness the transfiguration for one reason. His body was not going to be found. Because had His body been found, nobody would have believed that He resurrected. So, the transfiguration was to document that Jesus would resurrect. It was so liars could not say that Jesus did not resurrect. Ok?
G: If Jesus Christ could slip out of His physical body into His “transfigured body”, then logic would determine that Jesus did not suffer physical pain during His crucifixion on the cross.
Q: Dave from Minnesota: Why was this Earth age necessary?
M: Because, the 1st Earth age went kapuie. Satan messed it up. Revelation 12:1-4, 1/3rd of God’s children went chasing after Satan like harlots. God had a choice. He could kill 1/3rd of his children. Have you ever thought what it would take to kill one (1) of your own children?
He didn’t want to do that so, rather than kill His children He destroyed that age and brought in the 2nd Earth age.
G: But, God killed most of His “chosen children” – if we are all God’s children – through waging war against others or by punishing them for God’s numerous and consistent disappointments.
Murray said: It began about 6,000 years ago; about 14, I would say for the deeper student. Within that, we find the privilege of savior, salvation that 1/3rd can make a choice, born innocent of woman having no recollection of the past to choose whether they will follow Satan or the Father, this time. Satan and certain of the children had no problem crucifying the Lord, Himself; then, He has an excuse, without repentance, of putting them to the fire at the end of the judgment. That is documented in the second chapter of the great book of Hebrews. It stipulates the purpose Christ came to Earth, born of woman just exactly like we are, to die on the cross whereby He could destroy death, which is to say the Devil. That’s why this Earth age was necessary.
G: WOW! For me, Pastor Murray does go where no man has gone before.
Q: Tim from Georgia: If we are in spiritual bodies, how can fire destroy us?
Murray: It can’t.
G: So, if fire can not destroy our spiritual bodies – there goes Hell as we know it.
Murray said: God is a consuming fire. God’s fire can be the Holy Spirit warming you from within or God can speak – and something can become nothing – just as God spoke and nothing became something.
G: This voodoo / mumbo-jumbo proves that God does not exist in reality. Only if you choose to “believe” the God / Hell nonsense can it exist in your head.
Q: Paul from California: Why does it say in numerous places that a person who dies in sin will receive everlasting punishment – whether you die in The Lake of Fire – are you are blotted out – or do you continue on?
Murray: You are to be blotted out – to be turned to ashes from within as it is written in Ezekiel 28:18-19. Ah – you don’t think that is everlasting punishment? They are never going to live again. They are everlasting ashes. Nothingness. They don’t amount to a hill of beans. They are the same thing as they are on Earth – they are no good. They are nothing – but trash and ashes – for ever and ever and ever. That’s punishment forever – period.
G: Well, there goes the threat of Eternal Torment. Whew! I was worried for a moment. Na, just kidding. But, it is also interesting how Pastor Arnold Murray describes people who his supercharged ego doesn’t find fit to be in his atmosphere.
Q: Jim from California: Please explain your understanding of “The Doctrine of the Original Sin” and if your version differs – explain the difference.
Murray: There is only one “Original Sin”. The “Original Sin” happened in the First Earth Age. God makes it clear what the sin was in Ezekiel 28 starting about verse 14 when God said to Satan I trusted you. I appointed you to the office of protecting Cherub to protect the mercy seat. And, you became prideful within yourself. And, with that pride, Satan misled 1/3rd of God’s children. That was “The Original Sin”.
G: Murray states here that the Original Sin was Satan becoming prideful and misleading 1/3rd of God’s children. That means that the Original Sin had nothing to do with Adam & Eve, the Serpent or The Garden of Eden. How many churches have you attended ever mentioned “The First Earth Age?” or have described the Original Sin being something outside of the Adam & Eve story?
Murray said: And if a person is not aware of the original sin, and how it hurt our father, it is pretty difficult to understand the rest of God’s word concerning the false messiah and the hurt that he brings.
G: This premise, according to Murray, is at “The End Time”, Satan comes first by pretending to be Jesus Christ – before Christ comes back to “harvests” humanity. When Jesus Christ “harvests” humanity – all Human Beings die – and thus begins the “Millennium” / 1,000 years. At the end of the “Millennium” comes “Judgment Day” when God judges who goes to Hell and who serves Him for eternity.
Q: Wilber from West Virginia: Please explain what God means when He said: “The Meek shall inherit the Earth.”
Murray said: The word meek should be translated humble. The humble obeys God’s commands – to be a servant, student, follower. The opposite are the “know-it-alls”. God couldn’t tell them anything and they just go on their way to Hell.
G: The “HUMBLE” (shut up, obey, do as you are told) shall inherit the Earth? So far – that has been a Biblical lie / falsehood / deception / con. Most of God’s Biblical heroes were not humble nor meek – were they?
Murray said: “To be taken captive by almighty God is one of the most beautiful things in the World.”
G: To be a captive is a beautiful thing?
Murray: “To be a slave of God for eternity is one of the most beautiful things in the World.”
G: I can’t make this up, folks. The promotion of “Master-Slave” is real, alive and well in Christian leadership. This is what Pastor Murray routinely prays before he answers questions: “Around the globe, Father, we ask that You lead, guide, direct, touch in Jesus’ precious name. Amen.”
G: The Biblical God guides human beings to be His captives and slaves. What a God! What a preacher of such a God!
Paul from California: Why does the Bible say in numerous places that a person who dies in sin will receive everlasting punishment? Do you die in “The Lake OF Fire” – you’re blotted out – or do you continue on receiving everlasting punishment?
Murray said: To be blotted out is to turn to ashes from within as in Ezekiel 28:18-19. You don’t think that is everlasting punishment?
G: NO, Pastor Murray! Expiration and non-existence is much different than Eternal Torment – don’t you think? If your Biblical God turned on you and gave you Eternal Torment, I am confident that you would then sense the difference.
Murray continues: They are never going to live again. They are everlasting ashes. Nothingness. They don’t amount to a hill of beans. They are the same thing as they are on Earth. They are no good. They are nothing but trash and ashes for ever and ever and ever. And, that’s punishment forever. I’m out of time. I love you because you study with us…
G: What? Murray verifies that Hell brings expiration. Spread ashes dissipate and over time ashes do chemically become other things. There is certainly no identifiable life entity remaining in those spread ashes. Religion is such a sham!
G: Both Pastors Arnold and Dennis Murray parrot at the end of the program: “I love you a lot because you study God’s word with us…” Their pledge of love for you comes across in such a conditional, canned manner that the flip-side could be: If you don’t study with us and support us – you can go right straight to Hell – because you are no good – you are nothing but trash and ashes for ever and ever and ever. And, that’s your punishment forever.
G: I’m confident that like the biblical God, Pastor Murray is miserable mostly because he has been around himself all day.
Christians try to convert non-believers to Christianity by using blackmail and extortion. If a non-believer does not conform and obey the Christian, the Christian tends to condemn the non-believer to “Eternal-Torment”. Pastor Fred Phelps is the poster-child – without the mask – that blatantly showcases this imperialistic, authoritarian, Christian agenda.
ANY- ONE TELL THE DIFFERENCE?
Pastor Fred Phelps is an extreme Judeo-Christian clergy. He is an obvious sociopath and a psychopath. What is obvious is Fred’s religious insanity and / or disease is full-blown. He accurately equates himself with Old Testament “Fire & Brimstone” prophets.
Fred Phelps preaches “Fire & Brimstone” just like Ezekiel, Jeremiah, Hosea and others. He condones and supports all of the Biblical God’s Old Testament murders. He hopes that God will murder more human beings today to teach them their obedience lessons.
Average Christians, who try to convert and intimidate non-believers with “Eternal-Damnation”, are fledging amateurs by comparison. They would become the absolute best at it – if they became clones of Fred Phelps.
I have watched Fred Phelps’ YouTube videos for some years now and I realize that he best exposes the theme and agenda of obedience-demanding fundamentalist clergy and their followers. Fred demands obedience to all of God’s commandments – especially the insane ones like to kill gay men, which he loves to call “fags”.
Gay Men
Fred Phelps is the most extreme Judeo-Christian that I have experienced in the past 30 years. His fanaticism competes well with the most extreme and insane fanatics of Islam – well – maybe just short of those who blow themselves up. One of his family-members may become so martyr-programmed that he or she may do something sensationally destructive some day.
When zealous Christians threaten you and me with Eternal-Torment, it is the obedience demanding Fred Phelps in them coming out.
Fred Phelps accurately show-cases the monstrous and insane Biblical God as documented by Bible Chapter & Verse. Phelps is a “super-fundamentalist”. He accurately preaches exactly what the insane Bible documents C&V. Phelps, like a brain-washed cheer-leader, promotes and supports the murderous God’s evil C&V deeds and insane requirements.
To understand Fred Phelps’ accurately depicting God’s insanity in society is to best understand my work – and I think C. Dennis McKinsey’s, too. By Bible Chapter & Verse documentation, the Biblical God proves to be as insane and hates the average human being as much as Fred Phelps does. Both Phelps and the Biblical God (fictitious or not) play at the top of the obedience / domination game – by the blackmailing consequence of Eternal-Torment.
Eternal-Torment
In reality, this insane man, Pastor Fred Phelps, is no more insane that the insane Bible he is drawing from. He is crazy – yes. But, so are the Bible C&Vs he accurately quotes. “The Biblical God is NOT a good God and the error-ridden Bible is NOT a good model for humanity”.
For the Christian public to condemn Fred Phelps while not condemning the Bible he quotes is pure hypocrisy.
Remember, as it cannot be stressed enough: This clergy truly knows the Bible and its God. He does preach the heinous Bible honestly and accurately. Click below and to round out your knowledge and perspective of Fred Phelps. See other Fred Phelps YouTube videos. Phelps is never boring.
Marine Lance Cpl. Matthew Snyder, was killed in Iraq in 2006.
The Westborough Baptist Church publicly demonstrates its disdain for homosexuals at military funerals.
Albert Snyder, Matthew’s father, sued the homophobic Westborough Baptist Church for demonstrating at his son’s military funeral.
The Westborough Baptist Church (headed by Pastor Fred Phelps) claims that military deaths are God’s punishment for homosexuality in the United States.
Westborough Baptist Church
At Marine Lance Cpl. Matthew Snyder’s funeral, The church carried signs that displayed: “God Hates Fags” / “Thank God for Dead Soldiers” / “God Hates Your Tears” / God Is America’s Terror” / God Crosshairs The US Government” / God Is Your Enemy” / “God Hates You”.
The case was tried and the court ordered the Westborough Baptist Church to pay Albert Snyder $5 million dollars.
Last week, The Federal Appeals Court reversed the $5 million judgment. The court determined that the Church’s first-amendment rights were violated. Then, the court ordered Albert Snyder to pay The Westborough Baptist Church over $16,000 to pay for the lawyer costs of the Church’s successful appeal.
What a country! What an insane God supporting US Government we have governing us. Insane clergy like Pastor Fred Phelps are US Government assets in getting believers to worship and obey authority. The Government is legally saying: “Go for it, Pastor Fred Phelps. Keep America praying and obeying to authority – so that we, the US Government, can better have our way with them.”
Sara Phelps, granddaughter to Pastor Fred Phelps
What one clergy do you know would be impacted if sent to this site?
Pastor Murray: Abraham and Sarah had the same father but different mothers. Genesis 20:12 determines that they were half brother and sister, and they were man and wife. In the earlier part of replenishing the Earth, this (incest) was necessary.
Gary: Pastor Murray accurately defined Abraham and Sarah’s incest relationship. Then, Murray made an excuse for their incest relationship. His excuse was bogus – as there were – according to Murray’s 6th day preaching – multitudes of human beings living, at the time, on Planet Earth.
Genesis 20:2 And Abraham said of Sarah his wife, she is my sister. King Abimelech sent for and took Sarah.
Sarah Married Her Half-Brother Abraham
G: Abraham lied by omitting to his man / wife relationship with Sarah. Liars are cowards because they are afraid that they will be caught being guilty of something authority does not approve of. Or, they lie so they can profit from others. Manipulative liars have ego-driven fears / motivations to lie. Abraham is no exception. The Biblical C&Vs document that Abraham was a liar. Abraham profited greatly. Pastor Murray authoritatively defends the Biblical God’s heroes – no matter what they did. He boasts that he is blessed and it is obvious that he profits from his “God-fearing” support. Murray is of “THE ELECT” and does not need to fear God. We are SINNERS and we had best be “God-fearing”.
M: And many would say – wouldn’t that be incest? No. Where is the law against incest? Have you read of it?
G: Yes, Pastor Murray. I have read it and so have you. What Abraham and Sarah did was against God’s law of incest.
Here is the Biblical God’s documented C&V law:
Leviticus 20:17 If a man takes his sister, even a half-sister, who is the daughter of his father or mother, they will be cut off from their people. Since he committed incest with his sister, he shall bear his guilt. Torah / KJV / Catholic
G: Why were Abraham and Sarah, a union of incest, chosen by the Biblical, in control, know-it-all, God?
G: Ham, with his mother – Abraham, with his half-sister Sarah, Jacob – with his 1st cousins Rachel & Leah, Lot – with his daughters and Moses’ father, Amram – with his father’s sister, all God’s Biblical Heroes, committed God’s forbidden by law, incest. They all broke the unchanging Biblical God’s laws.
G: Moses was a product of incest according to:
Exodus 6:20 Exodus 6:20 Amram took Jochebed his father’s sister for his wife. She bore him Aaron and Moses. (And Miriam.)
Jochebed & Moses
G: Moses is supposed to have written the Torah which included
Leviticus 18:12 Do not have sexual relations with your father’s sister…
By writing Leviticus 18:12, Moses certainly did not honor his father and mother – did he? These “heroes” were all people – who the Biblical God chose – to fulfill God’s “sacred” Biblical agendas.
M: We know what it was to “uncover your father’s nakedness”. That was a law.
G: Murray claims that Ham, Noah’s son, “uncovered his father’s nakedness” by having sex with Noah’s wife, Ham’s mother. She, with no name, gave birth to Canaan, Ham’s son. Noah cursed innocent Canaan. Noah did not curse guilty Ham for his sin. Canaan was the founder of the Canaanites who owned the “sacred” land that later became Jerusalem. The Biblical God ordered His “chosen” Israelites to murder the Canaanites so to steal their land.
Genesis 9:20 – 23 Noah 21 drank some wine, became drunk and lay uncovered inside his tent. 22 Ham, the father of Canaan, saw his father’s nakedness and told his two brothers outside. 23 But Shem and Japheth took a garment and laid it across their shoulders; then they walked in backward and covered their father’s nakedness. Their faces were turned the other way so that they would not see their father’s nakedness.
Leviticus 18:8 The nakedness of thy wife shalt thou do not uncover: It is thy father’s nakedness. KJV
Ham had sex with his mother, Noah’s wife?
G: To make the Biblical God’s laws absolutely clear:
Unlawful Sexual Relations
NIV (edited)
1 The Lord said to Moses: 5 Keep my decrees and laws – I am the Lord.
6 No one is to approach any close relative to have sexual relations. I am the Lord.
G: Ham, Abraham, Lot, Jacob and Amram, Moses’ father, all violated God’s law # 6.
G: Adam, having Eve formed from his rib, was too incest-ridiculous to include.
7 Do not dishonor your father by having sexual relations with your mother. She is your mother; do not have relations with her.
Mother & Son?
G: Ham, one who God chose to be on Noah’s Arc, broke God’s laws # 6 & # 7.
(Click on the law number to see the actual Bible C&V.)
8 Do not have sexual relations with your father’s wife; that would dishonor your father.
Now, Ham has violated God’s laws # 6, # 7 & # 8.
9 Do not have sexual relations with your sister, either your father’s daughter or your mother’s daughter, whether she was born in the same home or elsewhere.
G: Abraham – with his half-sister, Sarah, broke God’s laws # 6 & # 9.
11 Do not have sexual relations with the daughter of your father’s wife, born to your father; she is your sister.
Abraham has now violated God’s laws # 6, # 9 & # 11.
12 Do not have sexual relations with your father’s sister; she is your father’s close relative.
Moses is a product of this incest as examined in # 12.
Exodus 6:20 Amram took is father’s sister Jochebed to wife. They had Aaron and Moses. (And Miriam)
G: Moses is credited for writing the Torah – the first 5 books of what Christians call the Bible. Moses wrote in Leviticus 18:12 Do not have sexual relations with your father’s sister; she is your father’s close relative. By writing this, Moses did not honor his father and mother – did he?
26 God said: You must keep my decrees and my laws.
God’s Finger-Written Laws
30 God said: Keep my requirements and do not follow any of the detestable customs that were practiced before you came and do not defile yourselves with them. I am the Lord your God.”
G: Pastor Murray constantly preaches truth, integrity and all the hypnotic good stuff. So, why would Pastor Murray hypocritically ignore his unchanging God’s documented laws concerning God’s Biblical heroes? Why did the Biblical God ignore the fact that His heroes broke His incest laws? Why does Murray constantly excuse the Biblical God’s heroes from breaking those incest laws?
M: Abraham and Sarah were half brother and sister. We know that God chose Abraham and Sarah as man and wife. And, there you be – nothing else said.
G: What arrogance! Again, Murray authoritatively dismissed the breaking of his God’s laws because it was God’s “chosen” who broke the laws. That is hypocrisy. Correct me if you dare to, Pastor Murray. Use logical debate – because your, and your God’s, usual might-makes-right and voodoo threats mean nothing to me.
Murray goes on to praise God’s “Divine Intervention”. God put plagues on Pharaoh – which gained great wealth for Abraham. Because the Bible documents: “Pharaoh took Sarah” does this mean that Abraham was paid off like a pimp? Murray would become unglued with righteous indignation concerning this “God / Hero / Pimp” prospect.
If Murray were not so old, he would arrogantly volunteer to “take me behind the woodshed” – which I would eagerly welcome. After studying his tyrannical, belligerent rant for almost 20 years, a face to face would well be in order behind the woodshed (no weapons allowed). Or, we can settle our differences in a public debate on my selected Bible C&Vs. I don’t need to hear his hypnotic, authoritative preaching. I need to hear him debate those selected, controversial Bible C&Vs.
Murray’s “Behind the Woodshed”
Jacob had four wives. Two of them, Rachael and Leah, were Bible C&V documented daughters of his uncle Laban. My Torah notes suggested that the other two wives, Bilhah and Zilpah, may have also been Laban’s daughters by different mothers. If so, Jacob’s “twelve tribes of Israel” were all products of incest. Eight of the sons by Rachael and Leah definitely were products of incest.
If the Biblical God was against incest, why are most of His Torah (the first 5 books of the Bible) heroes products of incest? Was God out of control of this? Is the Bible contradictory or is this plain hypocrisy?
Pastor Murray has not addressed Jacob and His wives, concerning incest, to my knowledge.
THE GOD MURDERS WEBSITE IS THE ATHEIST’S BEST FRIEND!
“Intelligence Is Categorical”
“Insanity Is Contagious”
“A High Percentage of Stupid Is Stubborn”
Numbers 1:3 God orders a census for a military draft system, to count all men over 20 years of age.
The Biblical God wanted to murder selected people in order to steal their lands. “Know-it-all” God didn’t know the count of His troops and needed a census? God was “drafting” from His new “chosen people” to wage preemptive war against landowners.
Numbers 1:45-46 The total number of men fit to fight war was 603,550.
Torah Notes: It was estimated that it would require a population of approximately three (3) million people to produce 600,000 men to soldier over 20-years-old.
Numbers 1:49 The tribe of Levi shall not enroll nor be included in the draft.
Numbers 1:51-53 Any layman who comes near (God’s) dwellings will be put to death. Any deviations from orders and God’s wrath will strike the Israelites. (Stated again in Numbers 3:10)
What? If you are not clergy, you cannot go into God’s dwelling?
Numbers 3:13 God said: Every first-born of man and beast became Mine the day I murdered all the first-born in Egypt.
God’s Angel of Death?
God now chooses the Levites in place of the first-born, prompted by when God murdered all the first-born babies of Egypt. Were all the first-born adult men and women of Egypt also murdered? What was the break-off age of the murdered Egyptian first-born?
Numbers 4:19-20 God stated who may look and who would die if they looked at the “sacred” objects.
Prejudice? Aren’t all men equal in God? Just who are “the elect”? Are you? How would you know? Why and how would you qualify to be one of “God’s elect”?
Numbers 5:1-3 God moves all the sick, suffering people away from the camp as He can’t stand to dwell near them.
God Can’t Stand to be around Sick People!
What? Again, this really breaks a lot of hearts. If you are sick or suffering, get away from God or die. Is this the loving and nurturing God you learned about and carry within your heart? If you were God and they were your children, wouldn’t you use your power to heal them instead of drive them away?
Numbers 6:6-7 As long as one is dedicated to God, he shall not enter where a dead person is, not even for his own mother, father, brother or sister.
The Biblical God even has hang-ups about the dead? Where is the compassion of God and His Bible?
Numbers 7:5 God said: Take the offerings and give it to the Levites, the family of Moses.
Ah ha! That rat smell again!
Numbers 7:84 Offerings now definitely include silver, gold (money).
It looks like the Moses Levi family got into the right business; high prices, no product and the fear of death whether you buy or not.
Tithes: Malachi 3:8-10 Dare a man rob God? You are robbing Me. And you say: How do we rob You? In tithes and in offerings! You are indeed cursed, for you, the whole nation rob Me. Bring the whole tithe into the storehouse (temple treasury: Catholic BN), that there may be food in My house said God…
Then, God made a whole bunch of promises.
Numbers 11:1 The people complained, which was evil in God’s ears. God consumed (burned) them in the uttermost parts of the camp. KJV
God murdered His people just for complaining? God is obviously not interested in “freedom of speech”. What kind of tyrant or monster would murder you just for grumbling? This Tyrant does. Have your eyes glassed over in defense of God, King and Country yet? Are you capable of knowing right from wrong here?
Numbers 11:2 The people cried to Moses. He interceded. God stopped burning them. Torah
Again, God changed His mind. How does anything change its mind, yet be omnipotent? Malachi 3:6 documents God does not change.
Man invents rules for other men to follow and then assigns a fictitious God / authority to supervise those rules.
Man passes laws for others to follow and if they fail to obey them, this fictitious God will then judge them to suffer eternal-torment. What supernatural voodoo and blackmail!
Man invented his supernatural God for all others to obey.
If you simply focus on just rules and their consequences, the “magic” of any supernatural God is gone.
Believing in God is the craziest law man has ever attempted to pass. Why isn’t believing in God enforceable? Do tyrants become poor victims when they have no believers? The Holy inquisition burned millions because of their insane beliefs.
McCarthyism, as late as the 1950’s, tried and did harm some United States citizens for their views, thoughts and beliefs.
Numbers 11:11-15 Moses said to God: Why are You treating me so badly? Don’t You like me anymore? Why do You place such a burden on me? Was I the woman who was pregnant with this nation in my belly? Did I give birth to them? Where can I get enough meat to give all these people? I can’t be responsible for this entire nation. It’s too hard for me. If You are going to do this to me, do me a favor and kill me.
Moses does bitch, gripe, whine and complain to God and isn’t killed – yet. Do you think God would hold a grudge and deny, His main man, Moses, The Promised Land? Yep!
Numbers 11:20 God made them eat meat until it came out their noses.
Quail.
How does God murder His human beings? Can we count the ways?
Numbers 11:21-23 Moses points out the 600,000 soldiers around him. God answered: Is this beyond God’s reach? You shall see now whether or not what I have promised you takes place.
Israel’s600,000 Soldiers
Small hint: God did not fulfill His promise to Moses, Miriam or Aaron.
Numbers 11:33-34 The meat was still between their teeth – they buried people that lusted. God’s anger was displayed against the people…
God’s new game – eat until you die.
A Chinese fortune cookie: “Those who learn to obey will also be able to command.”
Is that what all religions (primitive politics) are about? Are all religions invented and supported by those who wish to blackmail, by fear, others into obeying and serving their authority?
Numbers 12: Both Aaron, Moses’ brother, and his sister, Miriam spoke out against Moses’ marriage to Zipporah, God gave Miriam leprosy for seven days. (Concerning Miriam) God said to Moses: Suppose her father spit in his daughter’s face, wouldn’t she hide in shame for 7 days? Catholic
(Zipporah was a Midianite / a Kushite, Ethiopian, black woman according to Torah Notes. However, Midian was a son of Abraham and Keturah.)
Wow! What a fine example of God’s charm school! This Biblical God is of monkey-mind.
For speaking out against her brother’s, Hebrew Moses’, and Ethiopian (black) Zipporah’s inter-racial marriage, God punished Miriam with leprosy for a week. God seems to have no problem with inter-racial marriages, just obedience. Did you notice that God, again, did not punish His favorite priest, Aaron, for the same “offense” He punished Miriam? The Biblical God proves not to be a “just” God.
Numbers 12:6-8 God said: If someone among you experiences divine prophecy, then I will make Myself known to him in a vision, I will speak to him in a dream.
Does this verse give birth to wizards, fortune-tellers, witches, mediums, and the general supernatural call to clergy?
Numbers 12:8 God said: Face to face I speak to Moses.
There is that “face to face with God” thing, again.
Numbers 13:33 We saw Titans, sons of the giant who descended from the original Titans. We felt like grasshoppers.
Titans?
There were giants, huge men? Where is the fossil evidence? Could it be that the party who reconnoitered The Promised Land realized they had to murder babies or die for this land?
Did they lie because they were afraid or because they were more decent than God?
Then, the Israelites stood up to Moses and God. Oh-oh!
Numbers 14:2-23 The Israelites complained to Moses and Aaron saying: We wish we had died in Egypt. We should have died in the desert. Why is God bringing us to this land to die by the sword? Our wives and children will be captives. It is best we go back to Egypt. Let’s appoint a new leader and go back to Egypt. Moses and Aaron fell on their faces before them. Jacob and Caleb said: We can do it. God is with us. Don’t be afraid. The Israelites threatened to stone them to death when God’s glory came upon them. God said to Moses: How long will this nation continue to provoke Me? I will kill them! Moses replied: What will happen when the Egyptians hear about it? Now You want to kill an entire nation like a single man? They who hear this will say that God was not able to bring this nation to the land He swore to them, so, He slaughtered them in the desert. Now, God, it is time for You to exercise even more restraint, slow to anger, great in love and forgiving of sin and rebellion. God said: I will grant forgiveness but as God’s glory fills all the world, I will punish all the people who saw what I did in Egypt and in the desert, but who still don’t obey Me. All those who provoked Me will not see The Promised Land that I swore to their ancestors. Torah
Well, there it is. This is the solid C&V evidence that God broke His promise to His “chosen people”. God’s promise was conditional.
This God’s children have had enough. They think it would be better to return to Egypt. Oops! Don’t dare think around this God! Just have faith, believe. Ah, forget all that; just commit, sacrifice and obey!
Obedience is all that “tyrants” (those who follow this God-model) want you to do. Just obey! When you are not actively obeying, then practice obeying by praying with faith and belief in hopes that someday you will obtain the power and are selected by the tyrants to be the one in charge for others to obey, worship and adore.
Roberta Hestenes: Minister, President of Eastern College: You understand God as a God of care, of promise making, Who keeps His promises. That’s the fundamental basis of morality – to give your word and keep your word.
Sorry Roberta. God made promises to be a protector, but Biblical records show God to always to be an adversary – to everybody. What promises did God not break? Want to do a “Ben Franklin T graph” and tally?
Sirach: 46:7-8 Caleb and Jacob were the only two (2) spared out of the 600,000 infantry. Catholic
God broke His promise to all 600,000 of His soldiers, except for Caleb and Jacob.
God throws another tantrum: If you don’t “believe” (serve and obey) Me, I will murder you and break My promise to you on top of it. With one statement behind another, God claims to grant forgiveness, then to murder the disobedient.
Can you define forgiveness? Is it conditional? Aren’t God’s sacred promises conditional? Is this God’s love also conditional? Are your promises conditional? When your family depends on you, is your love conditional? Are you like this God? Your behavior probably proves to be much better than this Biblical God’ behavior.
Numbers 14:26-35 God spoke to Moses and Aaron: I’m angry. How long will these evil people exist complaining against Me? You will not get to The Promised Land.
God Lied to His people. We will not get into The Promised Land.
Everyone, over twenty years old, who was counted is going to die in the desert. My oath is that you will not come into the land that I (God) swore with raised hand that I would let you live in undisturbed. The only exceptions will be Caleb and Joshua. Your corpses will fall in the desert. Your children will be herded from place to place until the last of your corpses lie in the desert. Since you explored the Promised Land for 40 days, you will be forgiven in 40 years. You will then know how I act. They will end their lives in the desert and here is where they will die. Torah
Here, again, is the solid C&V evidence that God broke His promises to about 3 million of His “chosen” people!
Out of the 603,550 soldiers who left Egypt, only Caleb and Joshua get into The Promised Land. Yes! But only after they were ordered, by God, to steal, murder, torture, mutilate, and slaughter the current inhabitant owners and their babies for the land.
The reputations of prominent people who performed many fine deeds are often destroyed by one bad act. The Biblical God is documented by Bible C&V to have ordered and committed hundreds of murderous and horrendous acts.
Who was the most miserable Character in the Old Testament?
Who was the best documented mass murderer of the Old Testament?
The DeVaney Challenge: Aside from the myth of creation, can you honestly provide Biblical evidence that God did something good for someone without hurting or murdering somebody else?
If you are Biblically, chapter and verse, stuck, to find some good God did for somebody, can you explain why?
Numbers 14:36-38 The men who explored and gave a bad report about The Promised Land were punished immediately. Only Joshua and Caleb remained alive.
Joshua & Caleb?
Numbers 15:32-36 They found a man gathering sticks on The Sabbath Day. God commanded Moses to murder him.
Would you want your chance to be God’s Lieutenant and execute this order on this man? Maybe, it’s no fun being God unless all the people obey.
Numbers 16:28 Moses claims he does the Lord’s work, not his own.
It’s the new: “It’s not my fault. I just followed orders”, excuse.
The goals of competition and of war: To gain objectives for your own pleasure and agenda while at the pain and expense of others.
Aren’t most American religions dollar-driven? Aren’t most religions being promoted by authority-oriented manipulators & supported by the obedience-driven gullible? Doesn’t your religion demand obedience? Does you religion promise Eternal Torment for disobedience? Don’t most religions promote a worshipful / obedient, slave-master behavior / mentality?
When someone suggests that you “have faith” check to see if they are encouraging you to be motivated by or to gamble on something irrational.
Execution
by
Gary DeVaney
Scenario
The warden stated: You have been found guilty of theft and four (4) counts of murder. By the laws of this state, your life will be forfeited at 12:01 by lethal-injection. Do you have any last words?
Prisoner: Yes warden. I have heard clergy. I am God-fearing and I want to be, what I interpret to be, God-like.
I confess that I went into another family’s home and took their valuables. When the father objected, I murdered him, and his wife.
The reason I murdered his little children too, was so they couldn’t come back on me in later years. In the Bible, God ordered Moses and Joshua to take peoples’ lands and to murder every man, woman and child in the process. I know that I am one of God’s elect. I believe in God’s unmerited gifts. I will be rewarded for doing what I believe God told me to do.
With God, through Jesus, I am forgiven and innocent. You are a man who cannot understand the wonderment of God and the spirit of the Holy Ghost. Although, you may kill me, my spirit will live in the house of the Lord, through Jesus Christ, forever.
You now will have to live with what you have done to me, God’s saved-elect servant. God and I will deal with you warden!
Warden: Proceed with the execution.
How The Masses Perceive God
A Burning Bush?
Judeo / Christian / Islamic dogma: God / Allah is a superman Who sees, hears, knows all, never to be changed and is infallible. God makes stern judgments and punishes all those who transgress.
What they want: People want a personal relationship with God or any superior authority around them for security and to exploit that God or authority into doing their bidding. Their ego wants that authority to him or her and to prefer and promote him or her over others. They play “The God Game” to become one with God / authority, “believing” (pretending to want) what God / authority wants of them, for personal gains.
Prayer: If you check out people’s prayers, you may see they fall into 2 basic categories.
1. To flatter and feel in favor with God.
Why? For what purpose?
2. To exploit God to do their bidding by exercising their two (2) emotions – their “do wants” and “don’t wants”.
Could or would you dare question the fairness of an authority, God or Ego?
Do you feel God is all-powerful, or is God inept and powerless? Isn’t life on planet Earth a devouring, blood thirsty, inter-parasitical survival? Is God a monster for creating it? Or, is God powerless? Are Earth’s life forms just randomly condemned to face their own destruction? Is there any real evidence (not myth or fearful hearsay) there is a God?
Numbers 16:1-35 Korah and 250 Israelite leaders stood up to Moses. Dathan and Abriam also stood up and disobeyed Moses. God opened up the ground and sent Dathan, Abiram, their wives, sons and their little ones down to the nether world. God, then, burned alive, by fire, Korah’s 250 men, who had just made an offering of incense to this very same God. KJV
God burned alive Korah’s 250 men!
Catholic Bible Notes state: This is one narrative covering 2 different events.
These were God’s Israelite Levites? Isn’t this more Human sacrifice? Someone please, get a net!
Once, assumed authority, Attorney General Janet Reno, with immunity, toasted 84 men, women and children along with David Koresh in Waco, Texas. And, the beat goes on.
Numbers 17:6-14 The next day the whole Israelite community complained against Moses and Aaron. God appeared and told Moses: Depart, that I may consume them at once. God murdered 14,700 more of His own, in addition to those who died because of Korah. Catholic (The KJV does not have Numbers 17:14)
Numbers 17:25-27 God said: If their grumbling does not cease, they shall die. The Israelites cried out: We are perishing; we are all lost! Every time anyone approaches the dwelling of the Lord, he dies! Are we to perish to the last man? Catholic
Numbers 18:7&22 God ordered: Any layman coming near the meeting tent will deserve death.
Did Satan say this? Hmmm, is this God also Satan? No Satan has been introduced yet. This “unchanging God” does it all.
Numbers 18:23-24 God said: It’s an eternal law for future generations, that the Levites not own any land. I give to them in Israel the tithes of Israel, a separate and elevated gift.
The Levites are the Israelite’s clergy. Modern clergy can own land. In fact, they own billions of dollars in land, homes and churches.
The Bible teaches:
1 Timothy 6:10 The love of money is the root of all evil.
But, do they know that the Bible also teaches:
Ecclesiastes 10:19 …money answers all things…
Numbers 18:32 You will incur no guilt as long as you contribute the best tithes; or bring death upon yourselves.
Sort of like the IRS, isn’t it?
When you discuss, explain or define God, do you define the Biblical God or “the God in your heart”? If the God in your heart is the Biblical God, do you have a good heart?
Tithes, bribes and con-charities. What was the purpose of ancient religious human and animal sacrifice? It appeased a savage God concept by blood sacrifice and death. Today, clergy still con people out of their assets by blackmailing them to dutifully / systematically give religious tithes.
Did you ever view tithes to be insurance premiums for salvation / bribery for a better life? Is it clergy robbing from the hopeful, the vulnerable, the stupid, and not necessarily from just the poor.
In modern day, when a single politician is caught at this, it is considered crime; but, when a government steals by taxing assets to build awesome weapons of mass destruction, again, it’s the old fear-based insurance policies. Charities? Actuality, a small percentage of charity donations, even under the law, goes to the actual charity. The greatest portion goes into the pockets of unscrupulous politicians and other con-people
Malachi 3:8-10 Will a man rob God? Yet you have robbed Me in tithes and offerings. You are cursed for you have robbed Me. Bring all your tithes to the storehouse that there be meat on My table.
Clergy’s blackmail for money!
It never changes.
Socialism is funded by taxes and donations. Retirement benefits are products of socialism. Do you realize that all politicians, law enforcement and other social services are beneficiaries of social programs – which is socialism? Clergy is a beneficiary of billions of dollars in tithes, every year under socialism. Even the President of the United States of American’s income and retirement is a beneficiary of socialism. Why do, mostly Republican politicians, claim that the USA is not a socialistic country?
Again, God’s created reality: For something to live, things must die. For something to live well, more things must die.
In the movie “The Associate”, Whoopi Goldberg’s character made up a fictitious partner the financial world believed in, which in turn, gave her some awesome attention, power and control. The greatest success story ever was when Moses invented his partner – God. The difference between the Moses and Whoopi stories is that in the end Whoopi admitted that she had been her invisible partner all the time.
Numbers 19:11 Who ever touches a dead human body shall be unclean for 7 days.
Don’t Touch The Dead.
God’s got hang-ups about crippled people, the blind, deaf, sick, female sex-blood and dead bodies?
The Lord’s Prayer says: Lead us not into temptation.
What?
Is it the Biblical God, who the believers are praying to, who leads them into temptation? Isn’t it Satan, who is considered to tempt people? Of course, Satan does not exist in the holy Bible until 1st Chronicles 21:1 – the 13th book of the Bible. For Old Testament Jews, Satan did not exist. Their “One God of Abraham” did it all. Later in the New Testament Bible a new Rabbi, who preached the dogma of Zoroastrianism, taught afterlife, salvation, Heaven and Hell’s eternal torment. The Israelite Priests had Him crucified for His “blasphemous” teachings. These plagiarized teachings formed a new religion – Christianity.
God: This study, this investigation, has become a prosecution…
For some thinkers, this work serves a declaration of religious non-dependence and a freedom from religion.
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Would a beautiful, good, fair and just God do these things?
Some debatable questions influenced by Paul Winchell:
Who allowed children to die at birth? Crib death? Starve to death?
Who allowed the crippled, blind, deaf, tormented, persecuted, starved?
Who allowed cancer, leukemia, aids, multiple sclerosis, diabetes, etc.?
Who allowed animals to be slaughtered, steamed alive, killed for sport?
Who allowed wars, allowed man’s ego to, like God, demand peace on his terms?
Who allowed nature’s wholesale destruction of life forms and property?
Who allowed suffering and misery in infinite categories?
Who allowed earthquakes, tornadoes, and hurricanes killing thousands?
Who ordered Homo-sapiens to war and to destroy masses of its own species?
Who destroyed all human life on Earth sparing only a favorite family?
Finis: Paul Winchell
Are Earthly calamities “Acts of God” against man? Why do religious nuts and insurance companies call natural disasters “Acts of God”?
Is “The Creator” of all this destruction and pain worthy of respect, adoration, tithes, love, worship? If you feel so, have you dared to question your own value system / beliefs?
What would a human tyrant, if found guilty in any world court of law, be sentenced to for committing any or all of God’s heinous deeds? What if you were a juror at this man’s trial whereby you learned, by undeniable evidence, that he killed your child after 7 days of life; blinded another, crippled another and injected a targeted group with Aids? Would you be experiencing any hypocrisy?
If it takes an ideal God to create an ideal world, what kind of God do we have? Either God wants to help His children but cannot, or He can, but does not want to. In either case, what virtue is this God to us?
If your name was Doubleday and you had invented the game of baseball and it’s rules, and 12,796,374,826 games were successfully played by your rules, would you really care who won or lost?
Why would you pray to Doubleday or to God?
Numbers 20:1 In the desert, Moses’ sister Miriam died and was buried.
Moses’ Sister Miriam Did Not Get To “The Promised Land”.
No one can say that Moses’ and Aaron’s sister, Miriam, received God’s Promised Land.
Numbers 20:23-29 Aaron, Israel’s head priest, and Moses’ brother is denied The Promised Land and died, because he and Moses had rebelled against God.
Well, there dies out God’s chosen leaders Miriam and Aaron. They, by Biblical evidence, lost out on God’s promise. Would God fail Moses too?
Numbers 21:5-9 The people spoke out against God and Moses. God sent poisonous snakes against His people, and they were bitten and they died. Moses intervened. God ordered Moses to make a fiery serpent of brass and put it on a pole. Anyone seeing it would live.
What? God ordered a graven Image.
Do you think that people wouldn’t worship a graven image if it saved their lives?
Exodus 20:2-17 & Deuteronomyb5:6-21 The 10 Commandments.
The 2nd of The 10 Commandments, God said: You shall not make any graven images.
God commanded His people not to make a graven image. Then God ordered Moses to make a “graven image”.
Did you ever see a caduceus, the modern doctor’s medical symbol? How can it not qualify as an idol? It’s a strange choice to have an “evil snake / serpent” wrapped around a pole. Hermes, in Greek mythology, was a God, the son of Zeus and Maia, the messenger of the Gods. Hermes carried a staff around which Serpents coiled. He was identified with the Roman God, Mercury.
Isn’t this just another example whereby the Jews stole (excuse me, borrowed) from the myths of other more ancient pagan religions to make up their own?
Again, most importantly, God’s second commandment is to not make idols and sacred images. God actually ordered this brass snake on a pole for those who see it would live. God ordered the breaking of His Own second commandment.
Numbers 21:33-35 God ordered Moses to do to King of Og as he had done to others. Moses struck down the King’s sons and all his people until none were left and took possession of his land.
God ordered Moses to murder Kings in order to steal their lands.
Numbers 23:19 God is not a man that He should speak falsely nor human that He should change His mind. Is He one to speak and not act, to decree and not fulfill?
Excuse me, please! But, this God has lied / changed His mind a few times and has broken some super-whopper promises!
President Donald J. Trump, during his 4-year Presidency, was fact-checked to have publicly lied 30,529 times. For years, he lied without much Republican complaint nor consequence. I’m confident that Trump would condone all of the Old Testament God’s lies but there is little “Christlike” about Donald Trump. Well, Jesus did lie quite a bit too. See topic: Did Jesus Christ lie?
Numbers 25:1-15 The Israelites had illicit relations in the city of Shittim (and their shit) God.
These pagan’s “scatological practices” involved fecal turds. (Torah notes). That made God angry so God told Moses to take the leaders and impale the idolaters publicly before God.
Numbers 25:6-9 An Israeli man (Zimri) and a Midianitish woman (Kazbi) came within view of Moses and the Israeli community at the entrance of the meeting tent. Phinehas (KJV) or Pinchas (Torah), a grandson of Aaron the priest, taking a lance in hand, drove the lance through both the man’s and the woman’s groin, killing them both. That pleased God, so, He stopped His murdering. Yes, after He had murdered 24,000 more of His Own chosen.
Numbers 25:16-17 God said to Moses: Treat the Midianites as enemies and crush them.
Oscar Wilde: “When I think of all the harm the Bible has done, I despise of ever writing anything to equal it.”
Holman Bible Dictionary: Zipporah, Moses’ wife, was a Midianite.
A Jewish marriage was performed by a ceremony at an altar; then, by going into an inner chamber and having sex to consummate it. Did this young priest murder the couple while they were coupled, consummating, by sex, their marriage vows? (Torah).
Moses, being married to (T)Zipporah (Ladybird), a Midianite / Ethiopian black woman, is ok with God; but, this mixed religious couple, God wants dead.
Solomon had sex with and married the black Queen of Sheba and nothing bad happened. Obviously, genes and skin color doesn’t matter. The religion (who is to be obeyed) is all that matters to the Biblical God. Wasn’t one of our first-ladies named Ladybird?
King Solomon and the Queen of Sheba’s wedding
In Numbers 25:11-17 Phinehas, by murdering Kazbi (Cozbi) and Zimri, turned God’s jealous wrath away from the Israelites. God then ordered Moses to murder the Midianites.
The people took issue with Phinehas for wrongful deaths. God then declared Phinehas a hero because he had saved (Israelite) lives by murdering the couple. Torah notes
More: Moses married (and probably divorced: BN) a Midianite woman (Exodus 2:16-21), yet he murdered Midianites? The Midianites were who sold Joseph into slavery: Genesis 37:36.
Numbers 26:51 God’s census numbers of soldiers now registered over 20 years old were 601,730.
Numbers 26:59 Moses’, his brother Aaron’s and his sister Miriam’s parents were: Mother, Jochebed and their father, Amram.
(Moses’ sons were Gershom and Eliezer Exodus 2:21-22; 18:4).
Numbers 31:1-35 God told Moses: Take revenge and kill the Midianites; then, you (Moses) must die. God declares war on Midian and murders every male including its 5 kings. They took captive all the Midian women, their children, animals, wealth and their possessions. They set fire to their cities, taking all the booty and plunder. They brought captives back to Moses.
God Ordered Moses: Kill the Midianites. Then, you must Die.
Numbers 31:14-17 Moses was angry at the Generals and Captains of the army and asked: Why have you kept all these women alive? Now, kill every male child as well as every woman who has had sex with a man. But, the young girls who have not had sex with a man, you may keep alive for yourselves. God’s army killed every male child and kept only the 32,000 virgin girls for themselves.
Moses had ordered the execution of thousands, including mothers and babies. Have your eyes glassed over with comatose? Aren’t you numb with all God’s murdering, yet?
Numbers 31:32-35 (Recap) As booty, the soldiers kept 32,000 girls who were still virgins.
God is love? (Lie!). God is good? (Lie!) God is great? (How?)
Praise God? (Why?)
Let see what Mark Twain writes about the topic:
Letters from Earth
by
Mark Twain
Letter XI
Human history in all ages is red with blood, bitter with hate and stained with cruelties. The Church is credited with having spilt more innocent blood than all the political wars put together. When The Lord God of Heaven and Earth, adored Father of man, goes to war, there is no limit. He is totally without mercy – He, who is called the Fountain of Mercy. He slays, slays, slays! All the men, beasts, boys, babies, also all the women and girls, except those that have not been deflowered. He makes no distinction between the innocent and guilty. The innocent had to suffer with the guilty. What the insane Father required was blood and misery; He was indifferent as to who furnished it.
The heaviest punishment of all was melted out to persons who could not have deserved so horrible a fate – the 32,000 virgins. Their naked privacies were probed, to make sure that they still possessed the hymen unruptured. They were then sold into the shamefulness slavery, the slavery of prostitution to satisfy any buyer with their bodies, be he a gentleman or a course and filthy ruffian.
It was the Father who inflicted this ferocious and undeserved punishment upon those virgins whose parents He had slaughtered before their eyes. And were they praying to Him for pity and rescue, meantime? Without a doubt of it. Would you expect this same conscienceless God, this moral bankrupt, to become a teacher of morals?
Finis: Mark Twain
Mark Twain did request this work not be published until after his death. Probably wise.
It’s certainly refreshing to find another’s observations as critical as my own. GWD
Numbers 32:10-13 Because the Israelites didn’t want to kill and die for any more land, angry God (again) swore: None of the men, who came out of Egypt, from 20 years old and older, shall ever see the land that I swore to Abraham, Isaac and Jacob, because they have not wholly followed Me. God displayed anger against Israel and made them wander for 40 years in the desert until they died out.
Instead of God fulfilling His promise, it is obvious now that God had made His promise conditional. Being true to what’s become an evil character, God made His chosen people wander in the wilderness until they died.
If: Every promise God made turned out to have an if in front of it which believers who have faith tend to ignore. If means conditional. God’s promises proved to be conditional as they were not fulfilled and then lied about by stating they were.
God’s promises proved to be conditional as it was recorded that He failed to keep them or to fulfill them.
Numbers 33:53-56 God demands more war. You shall take the (conquered / stolen) land and settle it. I have given you this land as your property. God said: If you don’t drive My enemy out, who remains shall be pricks in your eyes, thorns in your side and I (your loving God) will do to you, what I thought to do to them.
God said: Kill them or I will do to You What I thought / plan / intend to do to them. (Different Bible versions.)
Ah, God’s beautiful voice of impeccable love, logic and reason.
Are these the words of a love-model or the ravings of a God with impaired mental-health?
Could God and Satan have become reversed through bad translations or on purpose?
Mark Twain: “It ain’t the parts of the Bible that I can’t understand that bother me, it is the parts that I do understand.”
Jeremiah 27:6 God said: I now have given all these lands to Nebuchadnezzar, the King of Babylon, – My servant.
Pastor Arnold Murray summarized that: God is in control and used King Nebuchadnezzar, the King of Babylon, to slaughter and capture God’s “chosen” Jews and Jerusalem – to teach them a lesson. This King was an enemy of the Jews, yet King Nebuchadnezzar actually wrote a portion of the Bible.
Lewis Smedes: Commitment in theater is also true in preaching a sermon. On Friday night I wrestle with my doubts – is it really true? On Sunday morning I can preach on the same subject so committed undoubtedly. On Monday, I might be wrestling with doubts again.
Lewis Smedes
Holman Bible Dictionary: Saul did NOT struggle to eliminate Baalism.
Saul named his son “Eshbaal” (man of Baal). I Chronicles 8:33.
Jonathan had a son, “Merib-baal” (I Chronicles 8:34).
David named a son “Beeliada” (Baal knows I Chronicles 14:7).
Here is certain evidence that “God’s chosen” always kept homage with the god, Baal.
The God Baal
Why do most believers respond adversely, frightfully and painfully to new Biblical C&V knowledge?
King Nebuchadnezzar is a main character in the topic Zoroastrianism.
“The Controversy I know about God Is Contained within the Bible.”
The God Murders (my website) takes issue with the Biblical God character (fictitious or not) – based on what the multi-error Bible documents about its insane God.
That’s my focused topic and its issues. The God Murders displays my selected, controversial documented Bible C&Vs and my debatable issues with them. It documents topics like: God’s Evil Deeds / Did Jesus Christ lie / God On Trial / The Atheist Maker. I accept debate on them and I rarely get enticed, moved or tempted off these topics.
This work began in 1982, as a study to determine if the Biblical God’s documented Bible C&V history could be responsible for why mankind treats mankind so badly. After discovering incriminating C&V facts, the study turned into an investigation. Consequently, the investigation produced enough C&V evidence to make a strong prosecution proving the Biblical God (fictional or not) to be the greatest villain influence of mankind. The controversial C&Vs jumped off the pages of the Bible for me. I highlighted them and documented them in my computer(s). Those selected, controversial Bible C&Vs, with commentary made up the current The God Murders website. As long as one Bible exists, this documented C&V evidence will not go away. It has been often suggested that I write a book – or books. No. This is free Bible C&V documentation – for all who can handle it. The God Murders is Copywriter. However, consider the researched information to be your own and use it as you wish. Censorship is not accepted by free Humanity.
I initially began this intense Bible study for myself – by myself in 1982. I then realized that whatever I do in my life – only for myself – dies with me. So, I created “The God Murders” website to share the now 15,000 + hours of study and debate with others so that the study and debate may live on beyond my life cycle. I started writing The God Murders trial in 1994. I did The God Murders video in 2004. The God Murders website exposes selected, controversial C&Vs throughout much of the Bible.
Concerning The God Murders trial – the Biblical God’s crimes and deeds against mankind – do you hold any reasonable doubt as to God’s guilt? If so, does your doubt concern God’s documented C&V crimes or is it your programmed fear for your own supposed eternal life? Will your fear cloud your judgment? In this case, you are your own judge and jury. Courage now: How do you find?
How Do You Find?
“The God Murders” consists of 180 C&V. Are they all lies? Am I a liar for selecting them? Charges of murder have been made based on Bible C&V evidence. Is any Christian stand-up enough to even try to serve their God as His defense attorney? How is a real Christian defined? What does a real Christian choose to do? Would the Christian’s effort, explaining each murder charge, be enough to please the Biblical God on judgment day?
If I Do Not Believe In God – Why Do I take Issue With God?
By
Gary DeVaney
We Atheists do NOT have to prove that the Biblical God does NOT exist. This fictitious character’s LACK OF EXISTENCE proves IT DOES NOT EXIST.
Here is my answer: Because the debate of – Does the Biblical God exist or not? – still won’t go away, I went further to expose what the Bible documents by Chapter & Verse (C&V) what this God consists of and what evil, murderous deeds this God is documented to have done.
It does not require a true believer’s approval because it is all valid Bible C&V.
However, if believers do not believe those valid C&Vs, then they prove not to believe the Bible.
Should believers feel that those selected, controversial C&Vs are presented in error – yet they refuse to correct the Bible C&Vs that I take issue with – then believers have nothing valid to complain about concerning those selected, controversial C&Vs.
At the bottom of every page of The God Murders website, I ask for any corrections, feedback or comments to be emailed to me. I receive thousands of emails. Over the years, some have found my errors and have submitted valid corrections. When any correction is valid, I change the website to correct my error – and I sincerely thank the individual who submitted the correction.
My motivation and view is: If any believer, with a conscience, learns to know these controversial Bible C&Vs, he or she will probably not be so interested in believing in, worshipping, promoting, supporting, or financing this insane God-Character – whether this murderous Character be fictitious or not. Gary DeVaney
How many people view the Biblical God to be just, fair and good? Be honest and be careful now. Where is your evidence that God is just, fair and good? Outside of the myth of creation, can you list what goodthings that the Old Testament God did for someone – without hurting another? Does your list turn out to be short and weak? Do you find yourself not taking the challenge? Outside of the myth of creation, can you make a “The Biblical God Did Good” list of any merit?
I’ll help start a list for you:
The Biblical God allowed some old women to have children that God had previously made barren.
The Biblical God gave Solomon wisdom. Solomon used God’s wisdom to have 700 wives and 300 concubines. Solomon then used God’s wisdom to worship other gods before Solomon died. Because Solomon abandoned the Biblical God before his death, I personally view that Solomon’s wisdom proved effective.
Can you think of any more? With all the “God-Hype”, preaching and indoctrination you have experienced, you should be willing and able to produce a high quality list of God’s “good” deeds.
But, if you are honest, you cannot. What does that say about the Biblical God? Are you sure that the Biblical God is really the personal God in your heart or are you just afraid to claim that “It” is not?
Perspective: Ego and God are synonymous. If you described your personal god in depth and to the finest detail, your god would probably look very much like you.
Reflect: Is the Biblical God (fictional or not) your God-model? If so, why do you require an insane, evil and murderous model? If you feel you need the Biblical God, ask yourself why? Are you an evil person who needs an excuse to hurt others or are you a good person who lives in fear of the promise of “Eternal Torment” and denies it? How could anyone believe in this God and not be afraid of “It”? How could “Eternal Torment” be a just punishment for any crime? How could a good God send you into “Eternal Torment” any more than you would send your pet to suffer for eternity after it died.
Is the personal god in your heart the same as the God of the Bible? If not, keep the god in your heart for you have probably invented a much better god than the insane, murderous God depicted C&V in the Bible. Just don’t be a hypocrite and insist that they are the same. If you do insist that they are the same, you are probably a very dangerous Human Animal towards other Human Animals.
Can You Describe In Detail “The God In Your Heart”?
I was once asked: Gary, why are there only some C & Vs that you take issue with? Why don’t you address the good things?
That’s a fair question. I have found that no practicing believer will address nor take issue with the controversial and contradictory Bible C&Vs that I take issue with. If I did not display “the other side”, those C&Vs would never be known. Hypnotized, mind-set believers tend to read over those controversial C&Vs without any mental-emotional impact. Ask them what they read and they would be at a loss. Ask them what those C&Vs meant to them and they would change the subject or get angry.
I didn’t write those C&Vs. I am not responsible for the content the Bible documents within its pages.
Why believers are offended when those C&Vs are displayed is beyond me as they are documented Bible C&Vs. Is my work paraphrased? Yes. Out of context? Sometimes. Believers constantly complain about that – but believers never bother to correct the C&Vs in question.
Why is that?
The biggest reason for The God Murders website is for non-believers to have Bible C&V knowledge that they do not care to research themselves. Then, when imposing believers try to threaten them into conversion, they have some knowledge as to what they are being pressured to convert to.
I hope this answer is thorough enough.
Concerning the “good” things in the Bible, I do not believe in the miracles the Bible describes. So, I do not acknowledge nor promote them. That’s as honest as I can be. My knowledge of the Bible indicates that these miracle claims are not factual in reality. Yes, they may be “true” to you, but I don’t believe them. On a personal note, neither the Biblical God nor Jesus Christ are characters that I would care to spend eternity with. Jesus said in Luke 19:27 “And, as for those, Mine enemies, who would not have Me be King over them, bring them before Me and slay them.” I could never support such a tyrant. My reasoning is all included in The God Murders website. There is where my best answers to your questions are documented.
Christian believers often state: I’ve found no evidence that God murdered anyone in the Bible. Only an insane person would infer that my God murdered anyone. Others declare that their God had the right to murder anyone at anytime. Believers often condone this God’s actions as if they were actually cheering Him on, often, even if it hits home. Many believers are still of fear-based monkey-mind. Often, when acquiring power, these Christian (conquer and subdue the Earth) believers are not very humane or law-abiding. They prove to have little mercy on foreign people – especially of other races. They put God above the law as they would themselves, their family or friends. When tested, most passive believers feel some commitment only to their home, work, family and a handful of friends. They often fearfully pray for immunity from God’s punishment. The Biblical God has terrorized the masses, by threat of “Eternal Torment” to worship Him. Governments, who demand obedience, capitalize on their hypnotized population’s fear of God.
Is the Biblical God your “God of Love”? More realistically, is the Biblical God fictitious? Are the Biblical God’s believers, supporters, worshippers, and financiers living in a fantasy world? Do they coattail a phantom “conquer and subdue” hierarchy that makes them feel powerful and important? If so, is it any wonder that many Presidents, Kings and favorite sons have gotten away with rape, murder and other crimes?
Albert Einstein said: “Try not to become man of success, but rather to become a man of value.”
“The Bible tells us to be like God, and then on page after page it describes God as a mass murderer. This may be the single most important key to the political behavior of Western Civilization.” Robert Anton Wilson
I view that exposing what the controversial Bible documents, C&V, about its insane God is a contribution to value, integrity and substance.
My conclusion is: “The Biblical God is not a good God and the Bible is not a good model for humanity”. It is time both were retired to the Smithsonian Institute Library as the worst models of mankind. GWD
Exodus 2:12 Moses murdered an Egyptian and hid his body.
Ah, a candidate for God! Moses already proves to be a “perfect” hero just like his “perfect” God.
Exodus 4:10 Moses tells God he can’t represent Him because he is slow of speech.
Moses, God’s “perfect” choice to speak for Him and to represent Him, has a speech impediment.
Moses is a Product of Incest
Exodus 6:20 Amram took Jochebed his father’s sister for his wife. She bore him Aaron and Moses (and Miriam). KJV
Now, this is shocking! Moses is credited to have written the Torah / Pentateuch (the first 5 books of the Bible).
Jochebed
Leviticus 18:12 God commanded: You shall not have sex with your father’s sister. Torah & Catholic & KJV
If Moses wrote Leviticus, – then Moses did not “honor his father and mother” – when he exposed their sin of incest. The Biblical God commanded against and forbid this specific sexual union in Leviticus 18:12.
If God does NOT change and God condemned Moses’ father – aunt incest, why was Moses selected as God’s favored hero?
Were you ever taught in Sunday School or during a church service that Moses, another of God’s chosen leaders and models, was also a product of incest? Who would have “thunk” it?
Actually, Miriam, Moses’ and Aaron’s sister is not listed as being born in Exodus 6:20. Rabbis claim that women were considered irrelevant and equivalent to chattel.
Elizabeth Cady Stanton: “The Bible and the Church have been the greatest stumbling blocks in the way of women’s emancipation.”
Did you know that God’s hero, Moses, was also a product of incest? If you had sex with your father’s sister – that is incest. Incest, again, produced God’s perfect choice of a perfect hero. How can God’s guidance of incest dare to be illegal in the United States today?
Exodus 11:4 God murdered all the first-born Egyptian babies …
God’s Killing of Egypt’s First-Born
An academic question:
Did God do all the evil things to Egypt or did Moses? No Satan nor Devil is mentioned, so, it had to be either our favorite Biblical God or just our inventive and creative con-man, Moses.
Not initially included here was “and God killed all of Egypt’s first-born animals” so not to dilute the impact of God murdering all of Egypt’s first-born, human babies. What did each of those first-born human babies or those first-born animals do to deserve the Biblical God’s murdering them?
Exodus 8:18-19 So that you may know that I am God right here on Earth I will make this distinction between My people and your people. Catholic. KJV = Exodus 8:22-23
Note: God is inflicting all these plagues and doing all this murdering just to let everybody know who is God around here – and – God does discriminate.
Exodus 24:6-8 Moses spills blood on altars and people …
Some of God’s “perfect” heroes worship their “perfect” God in a gross and bloody manner.
Exodus 31:18 God gave Moses two tablets of stone written by the finger of God.
God Gives Moses Two “Finger-Written” Tablets
Exodus 32:1-5 (Meanwhile): The Israeli people asked Aaron to make a God for them. Aaron replied: Have your wives, sons and daughters take off their gold earrings and bring them to me. Aaron accepted their offerings, made them into a golden-calf, and an altar.
Exodus 32:7-14 (God goes ballistic again and said): Now Moses, don’t try to stop Me when I unleash My wrath to destroy them. (Disobeying God) Moses began to plead (to make God stop): Egypt will say You took us out with evil intention, to kill us in the country, to wipe us off the face of the Earth. (God), withdraw Your anger and refrain from doing evil to Your people. Moses made God refrain from doing the evil He planned for His people.
Wow! God ordered Moses not to stop God. Moses disobeys God – and lives. And God obeys Moses!
Ah – God will get even with Moses later.
Exodus 32:19 Moses, who just calmed down angry God, became so angry himself, that he threw down and destroyed God’s finger-written sacred tablets and they broke into pieces.
Exodus 32:27-28 Moses Levi ordered all the sons of Levi to slay their own family, friends and neighbors; Moses murdered about 3,000 of their own relatives, God’s Own chosen.
Moses, with God’s consent, murders about 3,000 of his own “God-chosen” people.
Numbers 11:11-15 Moses said to God: Why are You treating me so badly? Don’t You like me anymore? Why do You place such a burden on me? Was I the woman who was pregnant with this nation in my belly? Did I give birth to them? Where can I get enough meat to give all these people? I can’t be responsible for this entire nation. It’s too hard for me. If You are going to do this to me, do me a favor and kill me.
Moses whines, bitches and gripes at God and lives! God must prove to have favorites – as long as they serve Him – on His terms.
Numbers 16:28 Moses claims that he does the Lord’s work; not his own.
Hummm. “Don’t judge me – I was just following orders.” Could this be the beginning of a future trend? What a perfect Biblical model! The Nuremberg war-crime trials were full of this excuse.
Contrary to Christian propaganda, Adolf Hitler was a Christian (Catholic). Hitler often invoked God in his speeches to the German sheeple. If you can get the masses to worship a false authority (God), an assumed authority (like Hitler) can easily step in. Believers are programmed and are just waiting “for a sign” to zealously serve some assumed authority.
Adolf Hitler
Adolph Hitler said: If the German people do not give me victory, they do not deserve to survive.
Numbers 21:33-35 God ordered Moses to do to King Og as he had done to others. Moses struck down the King’s sons and all his people until none were left and took possession of his land.
God gave His “chosen people” nothing. God ordered Moses to murder all the landowners, their wives and their children so to steal their land.
In Numbers 25:11-17 Phinehas, by murdering Kazbi (Cozbi) and Zimri, turned God’s jealous wrath away from the Israelites. God then ordered Moses to murder the Midianites.
Back in Genesis 25, Abraham married Keturah and she had 6 sons. One son was named Midian. God ordered Moses to attack and kill Midianites, Abraham’s offspring.
Numbers 31:14-18 Moses was angry at the Generals and Captains of the army and asked: Why have you kept all these women alive? Now, kill every male-child as well as every woman who has had sex with a man. But, the young girls who have not had sex with a man, you may keep alive for yourselves. God’s army killed every male child and the soldiers took 32,000 girls who were still virgins for themselves.
Moses is a documented mass-murderer of women and children! In your value system, how do you like Moses? Are you afraid to judge God’s chosen heroes?
Deuteronomy 2:34 Moses led more mass murdering of women and children.
Bart Floyd, a friend, said: It doesn’t seem like I’m reading the Holy Bible. How could God or Moses do this? It seems more like I’m reading an Encyclopedia of mass-murders.
That is an astute and bold observation.
Deuteronomy 3:2-7 (Moses said): God delivered Og and we murdered 60 cities of men, women and children until none remained. We took all the livestock and booty for ourselves.
Moses is a crazy man – and his God is even more insane. “Thou shalt not kill” is certainly not holding up. Whatcha think? The Bible makes it seem righteously justified for Moses to kill all those women and children so to steal the land that God promised His “chosen”.
Deuteronomy: 32:48-52 God said: Moses, go up the mountain, look at the land I give to the children of Israel, that you wandered 40 years to get to. God said: Moses, you can’t have it. Moses died.
God’s promises prove to be totally conditional and not fulfilling. Neither Moses, Aaron, Miriam and none of the people over 20-years-old, who came out of Egypt, got the promised land – except Joshua and Caleb. God had killed 2-3 million of His Own “chosen people”.
Deuteronomy 34:10 Since then, no prophet has risen in Israel like Moses, whom the Lord knew face to face. He had no equal in the signs and wonders the Lord sent him to perform.
Free-Murderous-Ride
Moses is a documented mass-murderer of men, women and children to fulfill God’s personal agenda to steal and occupy their land. Moses’ “perfect / loving / never-changing” God ordered all the mass-murdering and the theft of the land.
Is this your perfect, never-changing “God Of Love”? It’s a yes or no question. If yes, maybe you too should be elected President of the United States so that the mass-murdering for “special interests” could be continued. Who could stop you?
The current US Presidents wants you to be zealously religious so that they, the assumed authority of your country, will also get a “free-murderous-ride” – just as you give a “free-murderous-ride” to your “perfect” God.
If you are indebted to no one and you need less than what your money provides – you are truly a wealthy Human Being.
If you spend less than what you make, you are rich.
True freedom is NOT: “To do what you want to do – with whom you want to do it – when you want to do it”. That is POWER.
Freedom is nothing so glamorous – but – freedom is a thousand times more important.
True freedom is simply “unaccountable time”. Your lack of needs and wants (addictions) mainly determine how free you are.
The less you need and want, the freer you are and the less you can be accountable and manipulated against your will.
Perspectives:
How many people – who you are close to – want you to live by unaccountable time?
How many people – who you are close to – would you want to live by unaccountable time – especially accountable to you?
We tend to create our own prisons in which we insist on accountable time. Then, we wonder why we are not free.
Do you account to God? In reality, there is no evidence that the Biblical God exists. There is only evidence that “belief in God” exists.
Money is the only “God of Consequence” on planet Earth.
The international Banker’s money is this World’s one sacred and universal “Messiah”.
Money is the greatest direct and indirect addiction for most of modern adults.
One motivation to be rich is: The richer you are, fewer can tell you what to do.
Freedom is better than wealth because freedom is unaccountable time.
Bart Floyd contributed: Once we are all indebted to the International Banker’s money, we will all, for the first time in history, be worshipping and serving the same God.
The American Empire
The Corporate / Pentagon / CIA / Missionary Archipelago
December 5, 1998 Written By
S.R. Shearer
Much of the information for this article came from Noam Chomsky’s book, The Washington Connection and Third World Fascism and Gerard Colby and Charlotte Dennett’s book, Thy Will Be Done.
“We are only in the very dawn of COMMERCE, and we owe that dawn, with all its promise to the channels opened up by CHRISTIAN MISSIONARIES … The effect of the missionary enterprise of the English speaking people will be to bring them the … CONQUEST OF THE WORLD.”
Rev. Frederick Gates, Baptist Minister Letter to John D. Rockefeller, Sr. April 17, 1905
“For the love of money (i.e., COMMERCE) is the root of all evil: which while some coveted after, they have erred from the faith, and pierced themselves through with many sorrows. “But thou, O man of God, FLEE THESE THINGS(i.e., money, commerce and the things related to them); and follow after righteousness, godliness, faith, love, patience, meekness.”
I Tim. 6:10-11
“… so-called (American patriots – including much of today’s evangelicals) not only do not disapprove of atrocities committed by … (the United States), but they have a remarkable capacity for not even hearing about them.”
Adapted from a saying by George Orwell: “Notes on Nationalism,” 1945
“God (Ego) grant us the ability to see ourselves the way others see us.”
Robert Burns
The New World Order will have established for all the one religion of true consequence.
THE AGENDA: The World International Bankers’ agenda is to get the big International Corporations and “Democracy” (rapid political change) into every and all countries, large and small. It’s an infrastructure. They do this so that controllable / accountable MONEY can be equally circulated, indebted to and depended upon by all people on Earth.
Money Answers All Things!
Eventually, Earth’s territories will become “nationality immaterial” (no nations nor countries) and each governed territory shall ultimately become of equal economic value.
Initially, International Corporations buy into undeveloped countries. With all their MONEY and hiring practices, they will eventually determine the Democracy / Politics of the land being financially conquered.
The International Corporations then set up a financial infrastructure to politically elect only their own people.
The World International Bankers, who control the World’s MONEY, control the International Corporations, and “Democracy”, which is the future changing politics of the entire Earth.
“Democracy” (a rapid, revolutionary force), unlike Communism or Socialism, buys and pays for their ever-changing politicians. These politicians are owned and become extremely wealthy by pocketing lobbyist’s “special interest” MONEY. Usury interest and legally enforced taxes also pay these One World Government politicians who serve the ONE MONEY GOD, created by the relatively new competing World Banks.
Like all Gods of the past, MONEY is a man-made creation of an all-powerful and evolving God that runs this World – on behalf of certain men.
Ah – the few new competing World Banks are the disciples of the One Money God.
Eventually, Democracy, Socialism and Communism will evolve to become interchangeable and synonymous.
Real-property ownership will become history. All dwellings, commercial or residential, will eventually be rented from the One World Government so to maintain indefinite financial pressure on all people who are capable of earning. Inheritance of real estate will eventually cease.
All earners are encouraged to procure heavy debt on personal property and services as it makes them perform harder and sacrifice more for their MONEY / GOD.
Most “useless eaters” shalt be ultimately eliminated through euthanasia.
Prophesy: Through bloody competition, there will eventually be only one MONEY system, a One World Bank. In time, an ultimate One World Bank will buy, pay for, and own the “One World Order”.
MONEY is the one real GOD that all Human Beings worship, focus on, depend on, suffer and sacrifice for.
Imperialistic predators coattail this “Pan-Money-God” (money is to be everywhere) in hopes of becoming lesser Gods (governors) over various people. Each competitive predator’s ultimate hope is to be promoted, by election, and to ultimately become the one and only God of this World – then – God of the Universe.
All human “authorities” on Earth are “assumed authorities”. Their “assumed authority” is also temporary in time. Check out all the United States Presidents. Only one President wields any temporary power and authority of consequence.
MONEY is the only real and lasting authority of consequence on planet Earth.
MONEY is the most powerful force on Earth that determines or allows what a person can and cannot do with his or her time.
The invention / concept of money for exchange does reduce the violent theft of things. Money saves lives.
Agenda recap: Control the MONEY and be in power to control the World.
Just think! What if Adolph Hitler had become the One World International Banker? What if his organization had owned all the MONEY used on Planet Earth? Imagine that Hitler’s organization was constantly being paid for the use of all his MONEY worldwide. Hitler could then afford all the weaponry, technology, mass-media and advertising his organization needed for absolute dominance and mind-control. He, or one like him, could not be stopped – especially if he were not known by name or address.
Prophesy: We will have a new, more powerful and a better organized God coming. MONEY has been evolving to be in control over all peoples’ material possessions and their costly services and agendas. MONEY is to be in total control of all the people on planet Earth.
Do you know anyone alive who is not directly or indirectly affected by this growing, evolving force called MONEY?
THE MONEY GOD is still evolving to dominate the total population of the World. Before long, all other “Gods”, real or fictional, will become obsolete.
Death, by old age, of programmed “faith-based” believers will assist this “Changing of the GOD”. Once reality has set in and the one Money system is accepted, religious “faith and belief” will no longer be necessary to “obedience train” the masses. Media and advertising will mass-program what the people are to like, want, accept, have faith in, belief in, support, serve, sacrifice for and promote.
Eccl 10:19 Money Answers All Things
Perception: The two biggest categories of problems for the average individual are money and family.
This planet’s mass-media can then earnestly and honestly deal with exposing controversial news – because anything that “God” does has to be considered legal and accepted to be morally correct. All qualified Judges will be paid for by the New World Odor, One World Government.
The one MONEY / credit system will ultimately be the only God standing.
Computers and robots will assist this reality.
Undesirable territories, leaders or individuals will be policed, precision targeted and eliminated by space satellite weapons. Wrath and correction shalt come from above. Monitored individual living-chips will enable this reality.
Except for human evolutionary study, most prisons will be eliminated.
Relax. This generation will never see it all come to pass.
Eventually, electronic credit transfers, through living-chips, will produce cashless users. The ONE MONEY GOD and his organization (government) will get his prime cut of every credit transaction.
Armageddon is when the MONEY GOD is acknowledged to be the only God of consequence – in reality.
He (God) Has Favored Our Undertakings A New Order of the Ages
Ergo: In reality, who ultimately controls all the MONEY is the one real GOD who controls the whole Earth – and then the Universe.
Afterthought: Competitively, it will take a lot more war, pain, blood and elections for the successful imperialistic predators to accomplish their agenda.
Realism: Ego, by nature, always tries to be more than what it is. That is the prime reason why people borrow money and why they find themselves in debt. The secret to multi-level “freedom” (unaccountable time) is to not owe money.
Money is a good servant but a bad master.
IQ & Religion
by
Gary DeVaney
Intelligence is Categorical
This article on IQ / Religion is important, eye-opening and informative for any thinker.
Myth: Intelligent people tend to be more religious.
Fact: Intelligent people tend to be more secular.
Summary
The broad consensus of research shows that people with higher IQs tend to be less religious, not more so.
Argument
Is it more logical to be a Christian? Is religion the natural choice of a smart person familiar with more of the evidence? Not according to a broad consensus of studies on IQ and religiosity.
These studies have consistently found that the lower the IQ score, the more likely a person is to be religious.
To place these studies in perspective, it is helpful to know the general religious attitudes of Americans today.
According to a February 1995 Gallup poll, 96 percent of all Americans believe in God, and 88 percent affirm the importance of religion. However, the degree of religiosity within this group varies considerably.
Only 35 percent can be classified as “religious,” using a definition that requires them to consider religion important and attend religious services at least once a week. And a March 1994 Gallup poll found that only 20 percent of all Americans belong to that politically active group known as “Christian conservatives.”
The following is a review of several studies of IQ and religiosity, paraphrased and summarized from Burnham Beckwith’s article, “The Effect of Intelligence on Religious Faith,” Free Inquiry, Spring 1986: (1)
Christopher Hitchens: “Religion is violent, irrational, intolerant, allied to racism and tribalism and bigotry, invested in ignorance and hostile to free inquiry, contemptuous of women and coercive toward children.”
For the non-thinking, mind-set religious believer, “the Biblical God is the model of immunity”. God’s evil, murderous and destructive rap-sheet can be miles long and God-fearing believers will not prosecute. Kings, Presidents and Emperors, through fear, set their politics up for immunity from their subjects. Human believers tend to protect their master’s evil no matter what they do.
Most Human Animals who learn of and understand their God’s evil become Atheists. They are mostly passive Atheists. Few Atheists stand up against the evil deeds that the believers’ God has done.
President George W. Bush had a dream whereby his God told him to attack Iraq. The Bush’s Gang drummed up false charges. They broke God’s 9th commandment as the George W. Bush Government “bore false witness against their neighbor”. Those war-media-pounded charges proved not to be true. As a result, George W. Bush murdered and injured millions of Iraqis. Bush later smugly – and with immunity – admitted that Iraq had nothing to do with 9-11. The damage was done. Bush severely damaged the United States of America, Iraq, Afghanistan and the world economy. Bush happily and safely retired – immune from prosecution.
Mind-set believers protected him and continue to protect him and his destructive gang. Bush’s evil deeds caused US debt, a crippling loss of jobs and an unprecedented loss of homes. Bush served his corporate masters and the International Bankers and then retired with wealth and immunity.
New President Barack Obama, once in office, essentially turned from being a Democrat to a Republican as he unexpectedly adopted and extended the Bush policies and agendas.
Obama declared that his new agenda would be to “look forward and to not look back” which kept Bush / Cheney and gang out of prosecution and prison. That sealed George W. Bush’s immunity along with his evil doers. Big crime politicians enjoy the same believer-mindset “model of immunity” that the Biblical God does. The wealthy and the powerful are immune from the prosecutions that the middle and the lower income peasants face. Strangely, some drug and sex crime prosecutions do occasionally affect the wealthy.
The refused and unacceptable entitlements of the rich are few and minor.
John 2:18 Matt. 12:38 A true miracle is an event in the external world brought about by the immediate agency or the simple volition of God, operating without the use of means capable of being discerned by the senses, and designed to authenticate the divine commission of a religious teacher and the truth of his message.
It is an occurrence at once above nature and above man. It shows the intervention of a power that is not limited by the laws either of matter or of mind, a power interrupting the fixed laws which govern their movements, a supernatural power.
“The suspension or violation of the laws of nature involved in miracles is nothing more than is constantly taking place around us. One force counteracts another: vital force keeps the chemical laws of matter in abeyance; and muscular force can control the action of physical force. When a man raises a weight from the ground, the law of gravity is neither suspended nor violated, but counteracted by a stronger force. The same is true as to the walking of Christ on the water and the swimming of iron at the command of the prophet.
The simple and grand truth that the universe is not under the exclusive control of physical forces, but that everywhere and always there is above, separate from and superior to all else, an infinite personal will, not superseding, but directing and controlling all physical causes, acting with or without them.”
God ordinarily effects his purpose through the agency of second causes; but he has the power also of effecting his purpose immediately and without the intervention of second causes, i.e., of invading the fixed order, and thus of working miracles. Thus, we affirm the possibility of miracles, the possibility of a higher hand intervening to control or reverse nature’s ordinary movements.
In the New Testament these four Greek words are principally used to designate miracles:
Simenon, a “sign”, i.e., evidence of a divine commission; an attestation of a divine message (Matt. 12:38:39:16:1; Mark 8:11; Luke 11:16; 23:8; John2:11, 18,23: Acts 6:8, etc.); a token of the presence and working of God: the seal of a higher power.
Terata, “wonders;” wonder-causing events; portents; producing astonishment in the beholder (Acts 2:19).
Dunameis, “might works;” works of superhuman power (Acts2:22: Rom. 15:19 2 Thess. 2:9); of a new and higher power.
Erga, “works;” the works of Him who is “wonderful in working” (John 5:20,36).
Miracles are seals of a divine mission. The sacred writers appealed to them as proofs that they were messengers of God. Our Lord also appealed to miracles as a conclusive proof of his divine mission (John 5:20,36, 10:25,38). Thus, being out of the common course of nature and beyond the power of man, they are fitted to convey the impression of the presence and power of God.
Where miracles are there certainly God is. The man, therefore, who works a miracle affords thereby clear proof that he comes with the authority of God; they are his credentials that he is God’s messenger. The teacher points to these credentials, and they are a proof that he speaks with the authority of God. He boldly says, “God bears me witness, both with signs and wonders, and with diver’s miracles.”
The credibility of miracles is established by the evidence of the senses on the part of those who are witnesses of them, and to all others by the testimony of such witnesses. The witnesses were competent, and their testimony is trustworthy. Unbelievers, following Hume, deny that any testimony can prove a miracle, because they say miracles are impossible. We have shown that miracles are possible, and surely, they can be borne witness to. Surely, they are credible when we have abundant and trustworthy evidence of their occurrence. They are credible just as any facts of history well authenticated are credible.
Miracles, it is said, are contrary to experience. Of course, they are contrary to our experience, but that does not prove that they were contrary to the experience of those who witnessed them. We believe a thousand facts, both of history and of science, that are contrary to our experience, but we believe them on the ground of competent testimony.
An atheist or a pantheist must, as a matter of course, deny the possibility of miracles; but to one who believes in a personal God, who in his wisdom may see fit to interfere with the ordinary processes of nature, miracles are not impossible, nor are they incredible.
Peter and the healing of the paralytic Aeneas at Lydda ( Acts 9:32,35,38)
Miraculous ability to speak and/or understand a foreign language (tongue) previously unknown to the speaker (See: Gift of Tongues)
Inspiration of Scripture by God
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Is it LOGICAL to believe that the biblical miracles really happened? Answer
If Christ’s miracles really happened, why weren’t they reported by historians? Answer
“Miracles are not possible,” some claim. Is this true? Answer
CHRIST’S MIRACLES – Has science disproved the miracles associated with Jesus Christ? Answer
Isn’t the virgin birth of Jesus Christ mythological and scientifically impossible? Answer
Does the New Testament provide a reliable history of Christ’s life? Answer
Can we explain the “long days” of Joshua and Hezekiah? Answer
INTERNAL HARMONY – A skeptic questions whether the Bible’s internal harmony is evidence of its Divine inspiration – He suggests that the existence of the James Bond film series disproves that argument. How can I know the Bible is TRUE? Answer
GOD’S PROTECTION – What about the Psalm 91 promises? Answer“…no harm will befall you, no disaster will come near your tent…”
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Joke: Two girls went to a movie. Halfway through the movie one girl turned to her friend and said: Don’t look, but the guy next to me is masturbating. Her friend said: Just ignore him and he’ll stop. I can’t, she said: He’s using my hand.
Marriage & Adultery
(A Parable from “The Authority Addiction”)
By Gary DeVaney
From: God (as if God were real)
To: The U.S. Government legislation
Subject: Marriage & Adultery
You shall invert, supervise and legally enforce first-line supervision of your male and female peasants in a vehicle called marriage; whereby, each subject, under moral and legal pressure, chooses to enter into a binding contract, based on accountability, responsibility, and commitment to the laws of authority.
Marriage is faith made legal, whereby once chosen, like belief, believers have eliminated their freedom of choice. Binding, legal commitments are the surest way to eliminate free will. God and authoritative Governments love that.
The marriage contract shall be between the male and the state – and between the female and the state. Genetic, egocentric emotion shall blind this reality. Same sex marriage shalt be tolerated. It is granted so that gay individuals will also be legally supervised and repressed.
First-line supervision arises as she shalt supervise him to the law, social expectations, standards and principles of the state. He, in turn, shalt supervise her to the law, standards and principles of the state. They both shall compete in supervising their offspring to the law and social expectations.
By law, she is to assume authority over his sex life. He is to assume authority over her sex life. Should either fail, the other shall enforce the built-in lawsuit and the state shalt re-distribute their lives.
God, do I really need this!
Authority shall condone sexual inter-action only in a hostage state and government (authority) shall make them hostage two by two.
(Finis)
If adultery is successfully prosecuted by the US courts – intelligent, thinking people will eventually decide not to get married and divorces will increase.
Single individuals will continue to have a lot of sex with single and married people. Most married individuals eventually won’t have much interesting sex in their lives due to redundant familiarity. Meanwhile, terrified of legal consequence, smart single individuals may seek married individuals.
Familiarity is probably the biggest cause of the diminished Human sex drive.
Enforced adultery laws can also greatly contribute to abortion and birth control.
George Walter Blye commented: The U.S. Government is reluctant to enforce adultery laws against rich, tax paying men. Here is why: If all the talented US professional sports figures, who pay billions of dollars in taxes to the US government were imprisoned for adultery, the government would have to finance their children and lose all their hard-earned tax money.
Hummm. Could the U.S. Government not want to cut their financial throat by not enforcing the “so-called” adultery laws?
Personal: I view marriage to be a business. Too many marriages / businesses fail. Many marriages that do succeed are unhappy. Ladies, I may play with you, but I don’t want to go into business with you. GWD
Does a wedding-ring serve as a mind-control device?
Question from a radio talk-show host: Gary, what is the one Bible chapter and verse that you think best sums up the Bible?
Gary DeVaney: I view that would be Luke 19:27.
Q: Why?
Matthew 13:36 & 53 Jesus’ disciples requested for Jesus to speak to them in parables – so that they could better understand Jesus.
Luke 19:27
Jesus said:“As for My enemies who would not have Me be King over them, bring them before Me and slay them.”
(For those who would not have Jesus be King over them, Jesus runs a slaughterhouse.)
Luke 19:27 Jesus Christ said: And as for those, Mine enemies, who would NOT have Me be King over them, bring them before Me and slay them.
Jesus explained Himself to His disciples through parables. They specifically requested He do so. What other king, by name, do you claim Jesus to be talking about? You can name no one. Who else, during Jesus’ time, do you have documentation, is expanding his kingdom? You have nobody. Why is the totally “Out Of Context” Luke 19:27 in Luke chapter 19? It parallels the claim that if you do not accept Jesus Christ, you will suffer Hell’s Eternal Torment. Doesn’t it?
(Btw, Jesus Christ, The Son Of Man, also said in Revelation 2:23: I will kill her children.)
Because Christians can not emotionally handle Luke 19:27, it will be thoroughly and redundantly studied.
In Luke 19:27, Jesus Christ explains Himself to His disciples in a parable that reads – if you do not accept this un-named king, who is expanding His kingdom, then, you are to be brought before Him and slain.
Who, besides Jesus Christ, Biblically stressed His agenda of “Expanding His Kingdom”? This evil parable has a parallel:
Luke 19:27’s Parallel Dogma Of Salvation
If you do not accept Jesus Christ as your savior – you will suffer “Eternal-Torment” in Hell.
When Was Jesus Christ Ever “The King Of The Jews”?
Luke 19:27 best expresses the murderous, torturous attitude and the evil, blackmail threat of Jesus Christ and the Biblical God.
Luke 19:27 explains that if you don’t obey Jesus Christ and make Him your authority / King, you are to be slain.
Luke 19:27 documents Jesus Christ as being a tyrannical terrorist to Human Beings and that the New Testament continues to qualify as a terrorist handbook.
The Biblical God’s Hebrews were the first-strike aggressors when the Old Testament God ordered them to murder men, women and children in order to steal their lands. Ergo, if Jesus Christ IS the Old Testament God- Luke 19:27 makes perfect sense.
You Will Make Jesus Your King.
Many heated debates have authoritatively taken issue with Luke 19:27.
Remember: Upon numerous requests of His disciples, like in Matthew 13:36 & 53, Jesus spoke to them in parables.
What is a parable according to the dictionary?
Parable: A short, simple story from which a moral lesson can be drawn. It is usually an allegory. To represent, by fiction, a fable.
The dictionary documents that a parable represents fiction? What, concerning Jesus Christ, proves not to be fiction? Remember when Jesus transformed into His “transfigured body” in Matthew 17:1-9 and Mark 9:2-9? What fiction!
Luke 19:27 Jesus Christ said to His disciples: But those, mine enemies, which would not that I should reign over them, bring hither, and slay them before me. KJV
Is this a Bible contradiction to Jesus’ teaching in Matthew 5:44: Jesus said: Love thy enemy?
Let’s break it down: Who was speaking to His disciples in Luke 19:27? It was Jesus Christ – was it not? Yes. If not, who, by name, do you say was speaking?
Jesus, to explain Himself, used a parable of a “noble-man”, who is expanding his kingdom. Wasn’t Jesus expanding His Kingdom? If that is not the case, what is the purpose of Jesus’ parable? What other individual, by name, does the New Testament promote to be “expanding his kingdom” within the context of Luke 19:27?
Jesus Expanding His Kingdom?
What other King, by name, do you insist Jesus was referring to?
If the Bible C&Vs quoting Jesus’ words confuse thinking, truth-seekers, what grade does Jesus Christ get as a teacher?
Review: Did Jesus Christ speak in parables? Yes. Did Jesus use parables to better explain Himself to others? Yes.
A myth is a human attempt to explain our world by means of a fictional story. Jesus used myths to teach and describe Himself to His audience as to who He was and what He and His agenda was about. Jesus used fictitious stories, myths, parables, and allegories to explain Himself to the World. Jesus also used these fictitious stories to explain what He required from His disciples and from – by consequence of “Eternal Torment” – all mankind.
What moral lesson did Jesus teach in Luke 19:27?
Voltaire wrote: “Christianity is the most ridiculous, the most absurd and bloody religion that has ever infected the world.”
Voltaire, Sir – that took balls!
Jesus’ moral parable explains His personal message to you that if you don’t allow Jesus Christ to be your King, authority, ruler, over you, you are to be slain in front of Him.
Jesus’ parallel lesson in Luke 19:27 to Revelation 20:10-15 is: If you don’t accept Jesus Christ as your savior, you will suffer eternal torment. What moral lessons! What an evil tyrant! What a monster! Why would you ever authoritatively teach this evil to others?
Revelation 20:10 And the devil who deceived them was thrown into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are also; and they will be tormented day and night forever and ever.
Redundantly, Luke 19:27 parallels your being slain with Revelation 20:10 which describes what your eternal-torment is about. If you don’t convert, obey and serve and accept Jesus Christ as your King and savior – in addition to being slain – you will suffer eternal-torment.
You Will Suffer Forever In God’s Lake Of Fire?
Revelation 20:15 And if anyone’s name was not found written in the book of life, he was thrown into the lake of fire.
(And, they / we will also be tormented day and night forever and ever?)
What was Jesus’ specific moral point of the Luke 19:27 parable? It was to teach you that if you do not follow, serve and obey Jesus Christ and if your name was not found in God’s “Book Of Life”, you would suffer eternal-torment. Think about it! That’s even more disgusting and cruel than just slaying you. And, this is not Satan doing this – it is Jesus Christ!
What Christian would say that Jesus is not God? If you claim that Jesus Christ is NOT God – are you sure you are a true, believing Christian?
Then Jesus states His “evil” agenda to His disciples in:
Mark 4:11-12 Jesus said: But, to those outside everything comes in parables so that they look and see but not perceive and hear and listen but do not understand, in order that thy may not be converted and be forgotten.
Jesus Wants Souls To Not Be Converted & To Be Forgotten?
Knowing that Jesus Christ said this, and that Jesus did not want many people saved, do you feel more like you do now than you did before?
“Judgment Day” is when God judges if you have served Him on His terms during your lifetime on Earth. God’s judgment determines if you will be “saved” to then serve, grovel, worship and praise at the feet of God and Jesus 24/7 for eternity.
Is it true that Jesus spoke more of Hell than He spoke of Heaven? Yes.
Those who are not “saved” will suffer “Eternal-Torment” according to the book of Revelation. However, Ezekiel 25 – 28 also indicates what happens at the “end-time”. If you not selected by God, you will expire, as Satan expires, by fire, and turning into ashes from within. The KJV Companion Bible notes claim that the King of Tyre is actually Satan. Satan is documented to turn into ashes from within and to exist no more. If Human Souls have the same fate as Satan, we also turn into ashes and exist no more. No afterlife. No “Eternal Torment”.
The Revelation version contradicts Ezekiel as Revelation has Jesus slaughter all humanity. And then, after the thousand year “millennium” – followed by “The Judgment-Day” – Revelation, conversely, documents “Eternal Torment”.
Clergy would not have much of a following using Ezekiel’s “expiration” version. They want to preach Revelation’s fearful “Eternal Torment” so that they can spread more misery and make more guilt-ridden money.
Eternal Torment?
God is documented to kill millions of human beings in the Old Testament because they did not obey and act as if God was King over them. (See: “The God Murders” on this website.) If Jesus is God – the statement fits. The unnamed nobleman / king is Jesus Christ, Himself. God proved to be angry when the Israelites chose a human king (Saul) over themselves – as God wanted to be King over them.
If you do not convert to Christianity and, in essence, make Jesus Christ King over you, you will go to Hell. The parable fits Jesus being the unnamed nobleman / King. What other known King could it be? Every C&V points to Jesus Christ and no one else.
Christianity demands one God, one Savior and a new Christian “One World Order”. Christianity demands that their King be the King over everybody. Christians promote that the punishment of death and eternal torment befall all who do not conform. Like them, Christians demand that you be saved to serve God and Jesus Christ during your lifetime and then to further serve Them for eternity.
The New Christian One World Order?
The New Jerusalem?
Gloria Steinem: “By the year 2000, we will, I hope, raise our children to believe in human potential, not God.”
but those my enemies, who did not wish me to reign over them, bring hither and slay before me.’
Geneva Study Bible: But those mine enemies, which would not that I should reign over them, bring hither, and slay them before me.
People’s New Testament: 19:27 Those my enemies. This portrays the fate, not of church members, but of those who would not have the Lord reign over them. It embraces all the impenitent. Compare
So shall it be at the end of the world: the angels shall come forth and sever the wicked from among the just ,
People’s New Testament
13:49 So shall it be at the end of the world. Then, not men, but the angels under the direction of the Son of Man, shall sever the wicked from the just.
If you view that there is an error or a lack of homework concerning Luke 19:27 – please submit your correction.
Debate with Clergy Richard in India:
Gary: Jesus also said: And as for those who would not have Me be King over them, bring them before Me and slay them.
Richard: Dear Gary, Jesus did not say this. you are misquoting Jesus. Behavior is understood in the context of intentions, beliefs, and settings or context. What are your intentions Gary in raising the questions, is it to understand or attack.
G: Sir R. Anytime someone quotes a Bible C&V, he or she is partially picking and choosing and that C&V could be considered “out of context”. Each Bible C&V (of substance & importance) has a context and an importance of its own. Try Luke 19:27, R, and explain to all of us what that specific Bible Chapter & Verse means. Specifically, what did Jesus mean in Luke 19:27? I would really like to know what you would have your followers believe concerning Luke 19:27. I view that if Jesus will slay me if I don’t accept Jesus as my King to be unjust and tyrannical. But, Jesus also promises “Eternal Torment” if He is not obeyed. How can that punishment fit any crime? The Bible explains its God better than any book outside of it. R, you asked: What are your intentions Gary in raising the questions, is it to understand or attack. R, my work is not an attack so much as it debates the controversial C&Vs of the Bible. If I am incorrect, submit your correction. Can you explain to all of us why clergy will never debate a controversial Bible C&V that has been taken issue with? Regards, G
R: Hi Gary, you have raised the issue of Justice of God. I am happy the Hitler’s of this world will not go unpunished, but in your belief system, Hitler’s escape. That is what I said earlier you have no concept of absolute justice. And remember Jesus loves you. Also remember dust is not the destiny of humans as you believe it.
G: Sir R, you recommend books. The Bible explains, describes and documents the Biblical God and His insane, murderous deeds better than any other book written. I’ll stick to the Bible for its God and Jesus descriptions – thank you. I don’t recall our …discussing Hitler in this debate. I view that Hitler should have been executed for his war crimes and so should former President George W. Bush and His gang. President Obama is showing that he is guilty as well. Yes, all those believers / book writers have their “answers”. Again, what is your answer to Luke 19:27, R? R, you never really answer my specific questions. I know that some people prefer to talk AT people rather than TO them. 30 years ago, I too was a licensed, ordained Christian minister. I now view that if someone is going to believe in, promote, worship, and finance the Biblical God, he or she should know what the controversial Bible C&Vs document about this God. Are you going to address Luke 19:27, R? Regards, G
R: Interesting, Gary, you are talking about executing Hitler. Justice in you have woken up. I will most certainly answer Luke 19:27. In the context in which it is written, in my next thread.
G: I am truly excited and waiting impatiently, Sir R, to see your explanation of Luke 19:27. If you do explain Luke 19:27 in depth, I honestly can never again claim that you never answer my specific questions. Regards, G
R: The Parable of the Ten Minas: Luke 19:11-27. This parable has a historical background. Both Herod in 40 BC and Archelaus in 4 B.C. went to Rome to receive ruling authority from the emperor. There was a public outcry against Archelaus, who was… unpopular and received a less comprehensive ruing mandate.
In this parable the rejection of Jesus, the third servant takes the center stage. You will remember Gary John saying .He came to his own but his own received him not, Yet to all who received him, to those who believed in his name he gave the right to become children of God,(John 1:11,12). The third servant never trusted the Messiah. The master’s response to others shows him to be anything but “hard.” The wicked servant has no clue to his mater’s true character, and his words reveal his ignorance. This one who has no trust in God’s goodness, even though he or she has a connection to God, has no relationship with him and ends up with nothing. Luke says nothing about the fate of the third servant, but he does return finally to the fate of the citizens who refused to accept the nobleman’s rule. The language is used to characterize the disobedient citizens, whose unwillingness to serve the new monarch is described in terms drawn from v.14. They suffer typical fate of ancient rebels. To slaughter, strike down, was not uncommon for such massacres to take place before the rulers presence (cf. 1 Sam 15:33). This revenge is not attested of Archaelus, although he ruled in cruel fashion and it would not be out of character (cf. Jos. Ant. 17:342). The language although strange to us, is such as would make sense to Jesus’ hearers and convey to them the seriousness of their position, if they reject God’s offer of grace, love and forgiveness. Gary you are completely out of tune if you think Jesus could order slaughter of people during Roman rule. He would have been caught immediately. Although that is what you are intending to say, as if you have a case against Jesus. Sadhu Sunder Singh, a Sikh convert to Jesus Christ was right when he said; we choose to go to hell. God has given us the capacity to choose. What have you chosen Gary; return to dust or relationship with Eternal Lover of the world, revealed in Jesus Christ, gave his life as a ransom for us and rose again victorious from the grave. Only Christian faith of all the religions in this world the Bible teaches, God loves, billions have experienced his love. Have you missed it Gary. Love is relationship. God love you also Gary. Why run away from God? A text out of context is a pretext. I am afraid that is what you are doing.
G: Hi R. You actually answered my question concerning Luke 19:27! I am proud of you and I am confident that you did the best that you could. In Luke 19:27 Jesus commands that if anyone, including you and me, would not have Jesus be King over us, to bring us before Jesus and to slay us – does it not? Forget the coins story. It is irrelevant to Jesus’ command in Luke 19:27. Luke 19:27 is all I am taking issue with. “Out of context”? Don’t care. Luke 19:27 has an importance and a context of its own. Jesus wants us slain according to the text for voting Him out as our King. Jesus certainly does not support democracy – does He? If only a tyrant would demand that you and / or I be slain if we don’t accept Him as our King, Jesus would certainly qualify as a tyrant. How could Jesus not qualify as a tyrant by His statement? To threaten to slay someone for their disobedience is an act of terrorism. Jesus proves to be a terrorist. I know. The US Government is terrorizing the planet anywhere that it does not get obedience. Those who don’t obey the USA gets murdered by military might. You know what, R, if Jesus personally tried to slay you for not obeying Him – Jesus Christ would have to go through me to get to you. That’s the Army Officer in me. Don’t take it personally. I luvs ya but I’d do that for anyone. I don’t care about what was customary to be heard to those superstitious, stupid times – if Jesus / God does not change, Jesus condones and orders the slaying of those who would not have Jesus be King over them – just like, I am sad to say, the US Government is doing. Your answer was kinda weak / watered-down concerning Jesus’ command to have them brought before Jesus and to slay them. But, you did your best and I cannot fault you for that. It did show some courage. Thanks, R. Regards, G
Sir R! I posted our debate on our website concerning Luke 19:27. If you go to The God Murders and scroll down to the Luke 19:27 link, you will see a few things. I referred to you as R – unless you would prefer your full name and even your picture. If so, I’ll do that for you. There, you will see numerous Bible versions of Luke 19:27 and how many different Bibles word it. Your chronic claim that Jesus’ words – and their meanings – are “out of context” remains humorous. Btw, did you ever read the page: Did Jesus Christ Lie? It also consists of “out of context” Bible C&Vs. Hummm, after going over your answer again concerning Luke 19:27, did any of that come out of your mind or did you refer to other’s books or articles? Either way, you attempted to address the question and I thank you for that. I know that you will not intellectually understand this nor emotionally accept it – but – my life was pretty miserable up through being a licensed Christian clergy. After I did my documented study of the Bible and resigned my clergy status and retired from the military, I have been happier than I could ever have perceived over that past 30 years. As an Atheist, I do not account to the Judeo-Christian-Islamic God nor the billions who threaten Eternal Torment if I don’t, again, give up my freedom. I’ve loved these past 30 years. No one can take those fantastic years away from me. These debates are for the living – for one second after we are dead, none of this will have mattered due to our eternal non-existence. Regards, G
Bible Versions:
Luke 19:27 (KJ21) But those mine enemies, who would not that I should reign over them, bring them hither and slay them before me.
Luke 19:27 (ASV) But these mine enemies, that would not that I should reign over them, bring hither, and slay them before me.
Luke 19:27 (AMP) The indignant king ended by saying: But as for these enemies of mine who did not want me to reign over them – bring them here and slaughter them in my presence!
Luke 19:27 (CEB) As for my enemies who don’t want me as their king, bring them here and slaughter them before me.
Luke 19:27 (CJB) However, as for these enemies of mine who did not want me to be their king, bring them here and execute them in my presence!
Luke 19:27 (CEV) Now bring me the enemies who didn’t want me to be their king. Kill them while I watch!
Luke 19:27 (DARBY) Moreover those mine enemies, who would not [have] me to reign over them, bring them here and slay [them] before me.
Luke 19:27 (DRA) But as for those my enemies, who would not have me reign over them, bring them hither, and kill them before me.
Luke 19:27 (ERV) Now where are my enemies? Where are the people who did not want me to be king? Bring my enemies here and kill them. I will watch them die.
Luke 19:27 (ESV) But as for these enemies of mine, who did not want me to reign over them, bring them here and slaughter them before me.
Luke 19:27 : See ver. 14 above; John 1:14 Luke 19:27 : ch. 20:16; Matt. 22:7; 1 Sam. 15:33
19:27 (ESVUK) But as for these enemies of mine, who did not want me to reign over them, bring them here and slaughter them before me.
Luke 19:27 (EXB) Now ·where are my enemies [or concerning those enemies] who didn’t want me to ·be king [rule/reign over them]? Bring them here and ·kill [slay; slaughter] them before me.
Luke 19:27 (GNV) Moreover, those mine enemies, which would not that I should reign over them, bring hither, and slay them before me.
Luke 19:27 (GW) Bring my enemies, who didn’t want me to be their king. Kill them in front of me.
Luke 19:27 (GNT) Now, as for those enemies of mine who did not want me to be their king, bring them here and kill them in my presence!
Cross references: Luke 19:27: Matt 25:14-Matt 25:30
Luke 19:27 (HCSB) But bring here these enemies of mine, who did not want me to rule over them, and slaughter them in my presence.
Footnotes: Luke 19:27 Or execute Cross references: Lk 19:14
Luke 19:27e 19:25-27 (PHILLIPS): But, sire, he has a hundred pounds already,’ they said to him. ‘Yes,’ he replied, ‘and I tell you that the man who has something will get more given to him. But as for the man who has nothing, even his “nothing” will be taken away. And as for these enemies of mine who objected to my being their king, bring them here and execute them in my presence.
Luke 19:27 (JUB) Moreover, those enemies of mine, who were unwilling that I should reign over them, bring them here and slay them before me.
Luke 19:27 (KJV) But those mine enemies, which would not that I should reign over them, bring hither, and slay them before me.
Luke 19:27 (AKJV) But those mine enemies, which would not that I should reign over them, bring hither, and slay them before me.
Luke 19:27 (LEB) But these enemies of mine who did not want me to be king over them – bring them here and slaughter them in my presence!
Luke 19:27 (TLB) And now about these enemies of mine who revolted – bring them in and execute them before me.
Luke 19:27 (MSG) As for these enemies of mine who petitioned against my rule, clear them out of here. I don’t want to see their faces around here again.
Luke 19:27 Bring my enemies, who didn’t want me to be their king. Kill them in front of me.
Luke 19:27 (NASB) But these enemies of mine, who did not want me to reign over them, bring them here and slay them in my presence.
Cross references: Luke 19:14 Matt 22:7; Luke 20:16
Luke 19:27 (NCV) | Now where are my enemies who didn’t want me to be king? Bring them here and kill them before me.
Luke 19:27 (NET) But as for these enemies of mine who did not want me to be their king, bring them here and slaughter them in front of me!
Luke 19:27 (NIRV) And what about my enemies who did not want me to be king over them? Bring them here! Kill them in front of me!
Luke 19:27 (NIV) But those enemies of mine who did not want me to be king over them – bring them here and kill them in front of me.
Luke 19:27 (NIVUK) But those enemies of mine who did not want me to be king over them – bring them here and kill them in front of me.
Luke 19:27 (NKJV) But bring here those enemies of mine, who did not want me to reign over them, and slay them before me.
Luke 19:27 (NLV) Bring here those who hated me and did not want me to be their king and kill them in front of me.
Luke 19:27 And as for these enemies of mine who didn’t want me to be their king—bring them in and execute them right here in front of me.
Luke 19:27 (NRSV) But as for these enemies of mine who did not want me to be king over them – bring them here and slaughter them in my presence.
Luke 19:27 (NRSVA) But as for these enemies of mine who did not want me to be king over them—bring them here and slaughter them in my presence.
Luke 19:27 (OJB) But these oyevim of mine, the ones refusing me the Kabbalas HaMalchus (refusing my sovereignty as king, 70 C.E.) over them, bring here and execute them before me.
Lukas 19:27 (RSV) But as for these enemies of mine, who did not want me to reign over them, bring them here and slay them before me.
Luke 19:27 (RSVCE) But as for these enemies of mine, who did not want me to reign over them, bring them here and slay them before me.
Luke 19:27 (VOICE) And these enemies of mine who didn’t want me to rule over them—bring them here and execute them in my presence.
Luke 19:27 (WEB) But bring those enemies of mine who didn’t want me to reign over them here, and kill them before me.
Luke 19:27 (WE) But where are those people who hate me and did not want me to rule over them? Bring them here and kill them right here in front of me.
Luke 19:27 (WYC) Nevertheless bring ye hither those mine enemies, that would not that I reigned on them [that would not me to reign upon them], and slay ye before me.
Luke 19:27 (YLT) But those my enemies, who did not wish me to reign over them, bring hither and slay before me.
Thought + Electricity + Feeling + Chemicals + Emotion Intensity
If “FREEDOM” is unaccountable time
“LOVE” is slavery.
Count your loves and you will count the masters that you are a slave to and to whom you account for your time.
Dopamine = feelings of love euphoria. It is the brain’s pleasure chemical. Focus attention, elation. Cocaine provides some dopamine. A dopamine high is addictive. It keeps you coming back for more. Testosterone and Dopamine provide lust. Dopamine raises the sex drive even in non romantic situations. Thrill seekers provide themselves a dopamine rush. Women on an adrenalin rush rate men higher. These natural chemicals put us in the mood and then having sex makes us addicted too the feeling or craving to want more.
How many people, who claim to be in love, are having an affair with a hallucination – “The Love Virus”?
Dopamine Receptor
Testosterone triggers our sex drive.
Dopamine makes us addicted to the feeling / desire / pleasure of sex.
Is there a chemical responsible for falling in love?
A gene or a combination of our human animal genes are responsible. They produce cells that produce chemicals and electricity. The electricity provides thoughts and the chemicals produce feelings. Together they effect the mind, glands and nervous system. The ego, which normally has received programmed behavior restriction decides on what action to take. Predictable thoughts and behaviors follow.
Modern MRI equipment and machines have scanned and detected physical evidence in portions of normal brains show “love” activity.
A brain system’s “love-mode” is triggered by focusing on the love object. The area called the “ventral segmental” lights up and broadcasts triggered love. This is where Dopamine is made.
Another part of the brain called the “caudate nucleus”. It is where many factors of past experience and present environment combine with Dopamine to produce a love experience. This is the portion of the brain that wants, craves concentrates, galvanizes, and focuses on something or someone. Its activation makes you try to win that something.
The mental difference between lust and love boils down to this one structure of the brain.
Lust is a thrill-seeker’s “high” and it fades with time.
What is your name?
“Falling in love” rewards or tortures those who become addicted.
Get A Room!
You can feel your sex drive with someone and not be in love with them.
You can be in love with someone and never had sex with them.
They are different brain systems.
Unconditional Love: Many looking for unconditional love end up with someone with unconditional needs.
Only 3% of the mammals on planet Earth pair-bond for life.
And, the Human Animal isn’t too successful at it.
A primitive woman with a baby could not protect herself so she learned to barter sex by insisting on pair-bonding.
Pair-bonding became essential to females and acceptable to males so civilization began. The human genes, to promote themselves safer, installed portions of the brain to be receptive the electrical / chemical mixes they derived and which evolved.
Lust and love is a genetic chemical roller-coaster inside our brains.
Chemistry brings us together and chemistry drives us apart.
Religions, Governments and cultures want us to mate for life.
Our evolving mixed genes may have other long-suits.
People may have a monogamous strategy with one other person with a family goal but have sex with others for fun and not require monogamy.
Most human animals evolve to find that they have more than one mating strategy / instinct.
People who don’t commit to one another are usually more prone to have multiple sexual partners.
97% of the animal world have multiple sexual partners. If a person is over 50 and honest, he or she probable fall in that 97% who have had sex with multiple partners.
One can be Addicted to Sex One can be Addicted to Variety
A male has a limited role in child creation. The woman has the dedication, work and sacrifice to bring her child into the world. The male’s involvement could have been only a “one-night-stand”.
A female’s genes – which trigger her thoughts and feelings – may also require sexual variety.
Women prefer the more masculine men when they are ovulating – the more feminine man when they are not.
Often married women seek masculine men to satisfy they genetic lust. Many genetically crave to seek out and receive superior genes to produce superior offspring. Many crave superior lust – just as men do.
When their long-term partner no longer satisfies those lustful genetic cravings, they become thrill-seekers and seek sex with others.
Familiarity, for many, is the greatest killer of long-term lust.
When women socially expose their skin and exaggerate their body movements, they cause male testosterone to rise.
Wild Thing!
Women who are ovulating and with a steady partner and who most expose their skin and move most attractively are the sexiest and most flirtatious in public. They send the most sexual signals.
For every heterosexual man, married or single, who has sex, there is a woman. It is more of a 50-50 proposition they many would think.
Around the world, couples who have been together around 4 years is the time when breakups occur.
Most human males and females have a duel reproductive strategy.
A tremendous desire to have sex, fall in love, form a pair-bond and raise the children as a team.
And, for most, the genes always have the tendency to stray.
Does love have any lasting role in the biology of sex?
Generally – in a relationship – who loves least – controls.
Generally – in a relationship – who is the most attractive – controls.
Some couples do mate for life and are happy. Some mate for life and are not happy.
Wanna Mate For Life?
Biology and evolution resists long-term monogamy for most species.
Love is many things for many people. Most are in love with their genetic love model that was triggered by a love object.
Some are in love with the idea of being in love.
It only takes a moment of passion to provide genes for the next generation.
It’s like there is no God – but – there is a belief in God.
Choosing a partner is a small part of human reproduction. Any animal can reproduce. You have to succeed at the business of raising a family. Most don’t see it as a business and fail at it.
Sex is for fun. Reproduction is a hard-working business.
Vasopressin = mantling, possessive, jealous. Vasopressin is a monogamy hormone. It does tend keep a family together.
It insists on monogamy – especially by the female.
Rank cannot exist between true friends.
Promiscuous = low Vasopressin.
The Oxytocin hormone is in the brain of monogamous women.
Does a wedding-ring serve as a mind-control device?
Love: A Manipulative Word
Love, like God, is a “Pavlovian” word that triggers a desired, manipulative, predictive and expected “conditioned response”. Love is a word often used by romantics. The word love is mostly used to trigger desired feelings, disarm unwanted attitudes and to promote behaviors resembling obedience, humility and willing servitude. When someone wants love, they want to be served. When someone authoritatively introduces “love” into your conversation or dialog, you are being manipulated. It’s a topic – agenda – game changer. They are seeking emotion control and behavior control over you. They are also testing your suggestibility to their attraction, their power and their influence. Of course, denial is automatic.
Helen Fisher & Lucy Brown – Study Of lust & love
Helen Fisher Lucy Brown
1. The sex drive testosterone is in both men and women.
2. Romantic love.
3 Attachment / long-term security.
Neural science
The brain has areas that actually light up when people feel love / sex.
I view that our genes are lit up strong or that they are dim and weak. Some aren’t lit up at all. I view that experience triggers genes and that genes trigger experiences. Our lit up genes trigger thoughts and feelings that we experience and act on.
Lasting love is mutual values.
An ultimate test of love is a painful sense of loss.
The Greatest Test of Love is The Sense of Loss
If our genes are causing us to do destructive or bad things to ourselves or others, we have to get in touch with them, through self-hypnosis / meditation and through our thoughts and feelings, reprogram them. We must shut down destructive genes that cause our destructive behaviors.
Is passion nothing more than a sub-conscious hunt for disease resistant genes? Do we have any choice in who we love?
Genesis 19:30-36 Lot got drunk, had sex with and made both of his daughters pregnant.
What an awesome Biblical model for father-daughter love!
Could this degenerate Biblical hero and model, Lot, have influence and even encouraged righteous, God-fearing fathers, throughout history, to have sex with their virgin daughters?
Weren’t these the only 3 “righteous” people that the “in charge” Biblical God spared from the destruction of Sodom and Gomorrah? Didn’t God let Lot and his two daughters survive because God deemed them to be righteous? Should the “God-selected” father, who offered his two virgin-daughters to be raped by all the men in his city, and who later “knocked-up” both of his virgin daughters – be considered to be “righteous and good” in your sacred value system? What does this story really say about Lot – and about the Biblical God?
Where is any tempting Devil during this scenario? Even during the “original sin”, no Satan or Devil is ever mentioned – only a serpent. According to His track Own record, this God does it all. So, does any Satan exist? Could religion be but fabrications and myths engineered by the egos of power-hungry men? Like God, don’t egocentric and power-hungry men expect to be obeyed by believers and served by dutiful slaves?
Bill Moyers: Lot offers his daughters to strangers. God makes judgment on Sodom and Gomorrah but not on Lot. Throughout Genesis, God is the father, the patriarch of a dysfunctional family.
Lot Impregnated His Two Daughters
Do you like Lot? Do you like God’s criteria and choice? Do you like the fact that Lot impregnated both of his virgin daughters? Why or why not?
This is excellent Bible C&V evidence that:
“The God of the Bible is not a good God – and the Bible is not a good model for humanity.”
Leviticus 1-5: These sacred chapters show us how to select, qualify, kill and prepare offerings of sacrifice to God. You will need a strong stomach to visualize the reality of this God’s cruelty. Picture your favorite pet. Just imagine putting your hand on the animal’s head, looking into its loving, trusting eyes as you slit its throat. Over and over this is instructed. Then, the details about the head, the fat, the organs, the burning, and the sweet odor that this God loves to smell. Who is these poor animals’ adversary?
God Loves the Smell of Burning Fat
Leviticus 1:9,18 & 3:5 In sacrifice, the fragrance of burning fat is the Lord’s.
Karen Armstrong, author of the book – The History of God: I don’t like the image of God sniffing the sweet smell of meat. As a nun, God was terrifying for me. God behaves just like an inadequate human being.
Leviticus 4:3 If an anointed priest sins, all the people become guilty.
Leviticus 4:22-26 If a leader commits a sin, the priest shall make atonement for the leader’s sin and it will be forgiven.
What kind of justice system can mankind experience with this? A leader can sin often as long as he can afford to keep the priests in burnt fat offerings, so that this God’s “smeller” is content. Can a commoner get the same forgiveness without the goats and doves?
Leviticus 5:1 If someone, bound by oath, refuses to give information he has seen or learned, he commits a sin and has guilt to bear.
Is it “know-it-all” God, or “the assumed authority” who wants to know the information, so they can punish someone who doesn’t make things go his or her way? If God knows it all, who gains benefit from this knowledge? If there was no God, wouldn’t it be just the assumed authority? Would parents, governments, employers or the military ever promote confessions, by fear of consequence, for their own interests?
Nah . . .
Leviticus 5:11-13 States what happens if you are unable to afford sacrifices? The rest of all offerings shall belong to the priests.
Leviticus 5:15 It is sin to cheat the Lord’s sacred dues.
Behold: The cry of the Mafia and the I.R.S.?
Leviticus 7:31 But, the breast of the sacrifice shall be Aaron’s and his sons.
What? The priest’s get the good stuff? I smell a rat.
To sacrifice: To kill something innocent, virginal and pure, in your place. By some priest’s atonement, your sacrifice pays for your sins against God. Could a holy sacrifice be just to satisfy some economic and political objectives? Could it be designed to keep people poor and fearfully groveling to an assumed authority? Could taxes qualify as modern sacrifices to an ever-changing and rotating, assumed authority called Government?
Sacrifice was symbolic that all life belonged to God, that God could and would require your sacrifice at any time. The U. S. Government has provided a similar military draft requirement for its qualified males.
Does modern-day man still promote and give up human sacrifices? Examine the biggest human sacrifices we demand of our own kind: War is wholesale slaughter. Whether drafted or recruited, to qualify they must be young, healthy, not blemished (no handicap, bad eyes, bad ears, flat feet etc.); must be innocent (moral – not a felon) and mentally responsive. Only they qualify to kill and die. Our own Christian Government has often sent our best humanity off to murder many other countries’ best humanity. Do you want it to continue?
Dianne Bergant Ph.D. OT Professor: We know Israel was involved in child sacrifice. We found evidence in the foundation of the city of Jericho for example. It was the first-born that were sacrificed. What we have here is a move from child sacrifice to substitution sacrifice. You don’t sacrifice your child. You sacrifice an animal in place of your child.
Dianne Bergant Ph.D.
Leviticus 8:31 Moses orders boiled flesh. Aaron and his sons shall eat it. Catholic
Why? Boiling meat gives off no burning fat smell for this God. Who’s this stuff for, really?
Leviticus 10:1-2 Two (2) sons of Aaron (God’s chosen priests) made errors in their cooking procedure and God murdered them with fire, and they died.
Instant won-ton! Picky-picky.
Leviticus 11:13 & 19 Of the birds you shall not eat the Bat.
A Bat is not a bird.
Leviticus 11:23 All winged insects that have 4 legs Catholic / 4 feet KJV are loathsome for you.
What insects have 4 legs / 4 feet? What impeccable, Biblical intellect?
What will it take to prove to you that “God’s Word” is infallible?
Leviticus 12:2 & 5 When a woman gives birth to a boy, she is unclean for 7 days. When a woman gives birth to a girl, she is unclean for 14 days.
Why? Whose prejudicial and sexist attitude is this? Is it really God’s or some other moron’s?
Leviticus 12:5-7 The woman (mother) has to give sacrifice, a sin offering to atone for her menstruation…
Leviticus 17:10-12 God said: Whoever eats any manner of blood, I will set my face against that soul that eats blood and will cut him off from his people. No one shall eat blood. KJV
What about the Catholic “sacraments” – pretending to drink the blood and eating the body of Jesus in John 6:53-58?
Leviticus 18:12 God commanded: You shall not have sex with your father’s sister. Torah & Catholic & KJV
Exodus 6:20 Amram took Jochebed his father’s sister for his wife. She bore him Aaron and Moses. KJV
Jochebed & Moses
Now, this is shocking! Moses is credited to have written the Torah / Pentateuch (the first 5 books of the Bible).
If Moses wrote Leviticus, then Moses did not “honor his father and mother” when he exposed their sin of incest. The Biblical God commanded against and forbid this specific sexual union in Leviticus 18:12.
If God does NOT change and God condemned Moses’ father – aunt incest, why was Moses selected as God’s favored hero?
Leviticus 18:22 Do not lie with a male as with a woman; (homosexuality) such a thing is a disgusting perversion. Torah
Romans 1:27 The men, instead of having normal sexual relations with women, burned with lust for each other. Men did shameful things with other men, and as a result of this sin, they suffered within themselves the penalty they deserved.
Some gay men and women are among the smartest Human Beings on planet Earth – yet many of them still support and promote the very Biblical God Who has condemned them.
If you are a Christian, have you obeyed this command? How many of God’s 613 written commands have you not obeyed?
Are you confident that you are a God-obeying Christian?
It is also interesting how hypocritical the Catholic Church has been concerning their gay priests and small boys.
Leviticus 19:28 God commands you to not make tattoo marks on your skin.
My favorite Bible C&V preacher his massive tattoos on one of his TV programs. He considers himself to be God’s “Elect”. It appears that “God’s Elect” are allowed to obey Him.
Leviticus 19:31 Do not go to the mediums nor consult fortune tellers.
Saul, the Jew’s first God-appointed King, consulted with a medium (witch). God had King Saul done in.
Leviticus 20:2-3 Any Israelite or alien who offers his child (in sacrifice) to Molech shall be put to death.
The Pagan God, Molech
Are they to sacrifice their child only to God as in Judges 11:30-39?
Leviticus 20:9 Anyone who curses mom or dad shall be put to death.
Leviticus 20:10 God commands: If you commit adultery means death.
Leviticus 20:11 And the man that lieth with his father’s wife hath “uncovered his father’s nakedness”: both of them shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them.
If a man has sex with his father’s wife, both will be put to death? According to this C&V, Ham had sex with Noah’s wife, his mother.
In Genesis 35:22 Jacob’s son Rueben had sex with his father Jacob’s concubine Bilhah and Jacob was only “greatly offended”.
Rueben was obviously a God-chosen “insider”.
Leviticus 20:12 If a man has sex with his daughter-in-law, both will be put to death.
Leviticus 20:13 God commands to kill gay men.
Bill Mahr: The Bible is that book that Christians hold up when they scream at gay people.
I Corinthians 6:9-10 Homosexuals will not inherit the Kingdom of Heaven.
God commands to kill men who do what gay men do. So, obviously God is commanding to kill gay men. That does-in over 10% of human males and another 30% who are bi-sexual and occasional experimenters. Are all gay and bisexual women included in this commandment?
If you become upset with this sacred scripture, why? Are you upset in defense that no God nor Christian would do such a thing? Or, are you upset because you now must uncover your supportive feelings that gay men should righteously be murdered? Is your difficulty in your acknowledging the Biblical words or in describing your feelings and prejudices (which is your “truth”) towards them? Let’s ask the big questions. Would your God do such a thing? What does the Bible say? Do you believe the Bible? If God did do it, would you condone such a thing? Tough, isn’t it? You know what’s really tough? It’s tough to read something on paper that you can’t effectively control or argue with.
II Sam 1:26 God’s favorite David said: Jonathan, your love to me is wonderful, passing the love of women…
Does David sound a little bisexual?
John 21:7 “The disciple whom Jesus loved” is mentioned a few times.
Did Jesus have an unpopular, homosexual secret?
Leviticus 20:14 If a man marries a woman and her mother, burn all three of them to death.
Leviticus 20:15 If a man has sex with an animal, kill both of them.
Leviticus 20:16 Kill women who have sex with animals.
Well, it does appear that gay women may have the same fate as gay men.
Leviticus 20:17 If a man takes his sister, even a half-sister, who is the daughter of his father or mother, they will be cut off from their people. Since he committed incest with his sister, he shall bear his guilt. Torah
A factual review:
Abraham, the father of Judaism, Christianity and Islam had sex with his half-sister Sarah, (same father, different mothers: Genesis 20:12).
Why were they chosen by the Biblical God to be the parents of all future generations? Abraham, Jacob, Lot, David, Solomon and most of the Bible’s Heroes did commit incest, murder, theft & /or adultery, and they were all God’s chosen favorites.
Lot had sex with and impregnated both of his daughters.
Jacob had sex and kids with his own cousins – Rachel, Leah, Bilhah and Zilpah. Torah
David had sex with already married Bathsheba and then had her husband, Uriah killed.
Judah impregnated his daughter-in-law, Tamar, who sold Judah sex, with twins. One twin was Perez. All 3were in Jesus Christ’s “sacred” bloodline / lineage.
Judah & Tamar
Tamar sold sex to Judah so he thought she was a hooker. If Tamar sold sex once, was she a sex-worker, prostitute, hooker?
Alas! Both Judah and Tamar were in Jesus Christ’s lineage.
Rueben, Jacob’s son, had sex with his father’s concubine, Bilhah.
Did any of them die due to their illegal and immoral actions? No! Many, whom they sired, became this God’s Biblical heroes.
Leviticus 20:27 A man or woman who acts as a medium or fortune teller shall be put to death.
Leviticus 21:7&13-14 A priest shall not marry a woman who has been a prostitute or divorced.
What? God commanded His own hero / priest / prophet, Hosea, to marry a hooker in Hosea 1:2. God breaks many of His own commandments when He gets the urge. Do as I say – not as I do. Behold, the God of hypocrisy.
When believers become exposed to controversial Biblical facts, they become sensitive to their own egos, their fearful feelings, while being insensitive to the Biblical facts. Why? When pressed, believers tend to get angry or to preach, become sternly philosophical concerning Darwinism, Atheism, or to fall back into a comatose state called blind-faith.
Leviticus 21:9 A priest’s daughter who fornicates; burn her to death.
Could this Bible verse contribute to the oath of celibacy taken by all Catholic Priests – and why many Catholic Priests prefer having sex with boys? Doesn’t God see that as a gay act? Do believers? Despite President Bill Clinton’s lame claim, how can some priests, politicians and their attorneys, view oral sex not to be a sexual act. If oral sex is the name of the act, then how can sex not be part of the act?
Deuteronomy 22:20-21 If virginity is not found in a girl, stone her to death.
Leviticus 21:13 A priest shall marry only a virgin.
Picky, picky. Warning! The first time won’t be that good.
One priest’s love-life got so bad, he slapped himself for getting personal.
Often there are big discrepancies between what people say and what they mean. In the long run, characters tend to be judged by their actions (behavior), what they actually do, rather than by their words, beliefs or faith. What is said by believers about the Biblical God is certainly different than what the Bible writes about Him.
Sin: The conflict between one’s desire and another’s opinion of it.
What images can be more fearful to a child or an adult than the image of a wrathful, vengeful, monstrous Supreme Being.
Life is in constant change, errors happen, pencils have erasers. Logic and reason must be applied to erase guilt.
What greater waste of your life’s time is there than to support the heinous deeds of the God depicted in The Old Testament?
Everyone, in the world, is an atheist in someone’s opinion.
The Hubbell Space Telescope indicates there are over 50 billion universes. To boastfully declare that The God of All Creation acts on behalf of a few chosen human beings is the height of human arrogance. The miracles of religion are based mostly on supernatural events. During our lifetimes, nature has done nothing that nature has not done before in recorded history. If something has been done before, no matter how rarely, or, if it can be duplicated again, it can not qualify as supernatural.
The Universe Within 500 Million Light Years
Magicians Siegfried and Roy, David Copperfield, Lance Burton and others do magic acts that are truly baffling. They admit that it’s all tricks and illusions. Most believers will pass on knowing how the tricks are done. They prefer to be entertained by their confusion and ignorance.
Leviticus 21:17-24 Any one with a handicap shall not profane God’s sanctuary.
If I were into censorship, this would probably be the verses most considered. To the people who will cry discovering this Holy, Sacred Passage of Biblical Scripture, I am so sorry it’s there. I’m sorry that most of this ugly stuff is there. GWD
The Torah says: Anyone who is blind, lame, deformed, crippled, is a hunchback, a dwarf or has bad eyes, severe eczema or has a hernia cannot defile the sanctuary which is Holy to Me (God).
So, if you are not perfect, you are out, and God made you imperfect. How can prayer help a handicapped person if this God feels desecrated and appalled by his or her presence? Do not these Bibles portray this God to be cruel, shallow, wicked, tyrannical, evil and callous?
Leviticus 22:11 God’s guidance when a priests buys a (Gentile) slave. Torah notes.
Leviticus 22:19-24 God won’t accept for sacrifice a blemished animal; blind, crippled, or with crushed, torn out or cut off testicles (balls). Catholic
Leviticus 22:27 When a baby ox or lamb is born, it shall remain with its mother 7 days before being sacrificed to God. You don’t slaughter the mother the same day with her young.
BeforeAfter
Nice touch. God obviously wants the mother-baby bonding completed before the baby is taken away to slaughter. And, you don’t slaughter mom the same day so she can suffer her loss a day or so before she’s slaughtered. Well, mothers are just dumb animals with no feelings, right?
When a government drafts a human mother’s baby into war, which amounts to wholesale human sacrifice, does she feel anything? Does she tend to do any thing about it? Baa?
Leviticus 24:11-16 An Israelite cursed and blasphemed God’s name. God said: Take him outside the camp and let the whole community murder him. Anyone who curses God shall be put to death. Catholic
Leviticus 24:17 One who takes a human life must be put to death.
Contradiction?
Really? How many Biblical heroes besides Abraham, Moses, Joshua, Jephthah, David, Solomon, Elijah, Elisha, Samson and Jehu murdered, yet, were chosen for a personal partnership and /or employment by this God? People study facts to gain information. People investigate facts to find evidence concerning corrupt intentions and deeds that break the law.
This study, at this point, has turned into an investigation. It takes courage to review it. Sometimes, even Mensa members, those of tested intellect to be in the top 1% of society, develop the attention span of a 5 year-old when exposed to this material. Programmed fear over-rides their thinking powers and they can’t stay on the topic either.
Isaiah 66:2-4 God said; The one I approve is the lowly, afflicted man who trembles at my word. Merely slaughtering an ox is like slaying a man; sacrificing a lamb like breaking a dog’s neck. Bringing a cereal offering is like offering swine’s blood. Since those have chosen their own ways, I will ruthless treatment for them and bring upon them what they fear.
What tyrant, in history, has not operated in this manner?
With Bible C&Vs like this, does the Bible qualify to be a terrorist handbook?
God! What a model!
Why most believers won’t read this material:
Believers deep down inside view God and their own egos to be synonymous. They feel: I’m committed to God. If God is being accused, I am being accused. I want power and control over others just as God demands. I don’t want to view God’s evil and heinous characteristics because I am afraid I will have to face-up and admit to them when I look in the mirror or into my own soul. I fear I am not honest when it comes to God. I don’t want to know I fear, am prone to becoming God-like and am in denial; and I do not want to be challenged.
The Biblical God Condones Slavery?
Leviticus 25:42-45 God said: I brought the Israelites out of Egypt and they are My slaves. Do not dominate My slave to break his spirit since you fear (Me) your God. You can have other male and female slaves that you buy from nations around you. These slaves shall become hereditary property that you pass down to your children and you shall have them serve you forever. KJV
Leviticus 25: 44 Slaves, male and female you may indeed possess… Catholic
This has to absolutely clarify, by evidence, God’s slavery issue. God definitely condones slavery; but shucks, clergy will probably claim these are still misinterpretations.
The State of Mississippi ratified the13th Amendment to the U.S. Constitution, abolishing slavery on 3/21/1995: Harper’s Magazine.
Yes, that’s 1995. How advanced we are…
Leviticus 26:27-29 If you persist in disobeying and defying Me (God), I will punish you until you begin to eat the flesh of your own sons and daughters. Catholic
Jeremiah: 19:9 God said: I will have them eat the flesh of their sons and daughters, they shall eat one another’s flesh…
Ezekiel 5:10 Fathers shall eat sons and sons shall eat fathers.
Personally, I’ve about had it with this God. GWD
Critic / apologist / believer: Why? Where’s your facts? I’m tired of your false allegations.
Leviticus 26:38 You will be lost among the Gentiles, swallowed up in your enemy’s country.
Prior to this critical and lengthy research, I was religiously hypnotized (brain dead) and Biblically ignorant. Some may feel that I still am. Believers are hypnotized. This material is designed to de-hypnotize mind-set victims; to re-introduce a thinking process – and a conscience. GWD
Would you stand and declare the God depicted within the pages of The Old Testament to be the same God-of-Love that you carry within your heart? What chapter and verse would you use for evidence? You would probably describe a loving, caring, gentle God who has compassion, who is above all, fair. All may be supportive of that God; but, alas, that God is not depicted within these pages. If you have a God in your heart, one you invented or adapted for yourself, stick with it. It is probably a much nicer God than the Biblical God. However, if that be the case, why be a hypocrite and declare Them to be the same?
“Ego” / “God”: Concerns these three (3) behavioral manifestations:
I am the value, I am the authority, I am entitled.
Try applying these behavioral perspectives to the Biblical self-descriptions of God. What was God’s motive for destroying Pharaoh and the people of Egypt? He performed these wonders just to let them know who is God, the value, the authority, the more important.
Egos want to make a difference in nature and time. Egos try to be more than they are. Egos have desires to make history, influence events and like Gods, rule religions and businesses.
Egos try to duplicate themselves by restricting, confining, enslaving and converting others. Maybe a human being who worship its God is just pretending that its Ego is more important, more valuable and more entitled than it really is.
In behavioral reality, are concepts of God and ego synonymous? Everything alive has an ego of sorts. It’s necessary for survival.
We tend to protect and defend our ego as sacredly as we attach to and protect our concepts of authority (King / President / God). Have you ever heard anyone define ego? Could you define ego? Have you ever heard anyone define their God to be unlike the Biblical God, rather in a favorable, “feel-good” light? Always, you say?
For someone to live, things must die. For someone to live well, more things must die.
Throughout The Old Testament, God demanded of His people:
Love, Honor and Obey God.
1. Worship Me! Love Me! Make Me the value! Sacrifice to ME!
2. Obey Me or Die for I am the authority over you.
3. Give sacrifice to Me for I am more important than you.
4. I will take anything from you at any time for I own you and am entitled.
In predator human, animal, insect and microbe terms, are these not genetic ego / behavior manifestations?
Prayer: Because man’s ego wants to control nature and time, and to become more than he is, he tries to figure out how to pleasure God; then, how to control God to do his bidding.
God took orders from Moses, Joshua, Elijah and Elisha to name a few.
By the moral and legal standards that mankind outwardly tries to uphold, this God proves to be evil, not moral. The Biblical God is a genuine model of a heinous criminal.
Why do people aggressively defend God? Could they be, vicariously, just defending the sanctity of their own feelings; their ego? Is defending God simply a ego manifestation?
More of the almighty EGO:
A believer’s behavior concerning his or her own Ego / God: My feelings about my own Ego / God are more valuable, more important, more the authority and more entitled than your feelings about your Ego / God.
Are other GODS simply other big EGOS?
What would a human characteristic be called that would require the worship from others? EGO! Doesn’t EGO assume superiority over those inferior? Is GOD but EGO to require the servitude, obedience, groveling and worship of inferiors? Based on the characteristics and deeds of the God of the Bible, what kind of God are believers worshipping? And why? What does that say about the believer in question?
The word ego is not found in the Bible or in the New Exhaustive Strong’s Concordance. It is not found in the Holman Bible Dictionary. Vanity is mentioned. Maybe any concept of God is only vanity. Maybe ego is just God / vanity.
The words “Ego” and “God” are both found in the dictionary – so, both have significance. They are both mostly identified by attitudes and behavior manifestations. Neither are items that exist in reality. One cannot point to a part of the human body and say this is where the Ego resides any more than one can locate any God in the entire Universe.
When people practice believing in God, they get “spiritual” fantasizing a magical authority who controls and protects their lives.
God / BrainThe Sons of God / Human Women
Husbands, wives, parents, bosses, business owners, military leaders and governments capitalize on this believing in God by insisting: Love me, obey me, be loyal to me, or else. Aren’t our little egos God-like and child-like, or what?
Isn’t the wise parent, who assists his or her child in establishing its own mastership and self-responsibility, the most precious parent of all? Aren’t some Biblically oriented people tormented, depressed and resentful of what life has handed them? Could their distorted outlook on life be based on their distorted religious views?
In 1997, 1 in 155 U.S. residents were in jail or in the prison system. (Internet network news) Is our Biblical Jesus / God-model working? Is the Judeo-Christian ethic worth while?
Father Gilbert Graham: When I was Major Superior of my religious community, I made the decision that I was going to tell everybody the truth. First of all, I learned they don’t want to hear the truth and secondly, they never forgive you for the truth. I would do it much differently today if I had the opportunity again. (American Religious Town Hall, TV)
Q: In what competition does one not lie, deceive and mislead for one’s own advantage? How about war? Granted, facts that do not affect your life are none of your business, but what about the facts that do affect your life? Is it customary for you to deceive others or to be deceived by them? Are 9th commandment tactics only good as long as they work?
When most clergy say the word spiritual, most realists hear the word fantasy.
When believers describe “spiritual” matters, most realists smile at their fantasies.
The words of the Bible, like a continent or a planet is only new to its discoverer.
THE GOD MURDERS WEBSITE IS THE ATHEIST’S BEST FRIEND!
“Intelligence is Categorical”
“Insanity is Contagious”
“A High Percentage of Stupid is Stubborn”
Was King Solomon the wisest of men?
Deuteronomy 17:17 God commanded: The King must not take many wives nor accumulate large amounts of silver and gold.
1 Kings 10:23 King Solomon surpassed all the Kings on Earth in riches and wisdom.
1 Kings 11:3 Solomon had 700 wives and 300 concubines.
I Kings 2:20-25 Bathsheba, King Solomon’s mother, asked him for Abishag to become Adonijah’s wife. Solomon said: I will not refuse you. Solomon lied to his mother, and he had (his brother) Adonijah murdered.
I Kings 2:29 Solomon ordered Joab, murdered.
II Samuel 8:16 Joab was King David’s Army commander.
I Kings 3:1 Solomon married the daughter of the Pharaoh, King of Egypt.
Burnt Offerings
I Kings 3:4 Solomon offered 1,000 burnt offerings “holocausts” (sacrifices).
I Kings 3:25 Solomon’s decision was to divide (cut up) the child, equally.
Solomon gambled that the real mother would save the child by giving it to the other woman. But, what if the 2 women were spiteful and agreed to cutting up the child?
I Kings 8:63 Solomon sacrificed to God 22,000 oxen and 120,000 sheep. KJV
I Kings 9:20 Solomon conscripted all non-Israelites as forced laborers (slaves).
I Kings 10:1-13 The Queen of Sheba was indeed impressed with Solomon’s wisdom. They exchanged gifts and she gave Solomon much Gold.
Ah, Solomon, the gigolo!
Solomon knocked-up the Queen of Sheba who took her son, Menelik, back to Ethiopia. Menelik became the first Emperor of Ethiopia.
The 3rd century theologian, Origen of Alexander, wrote that The Queen of Sheba was black and beautiful. Solomon did prove to be wise in that he was not a racist.
Remember:
Matthew 19:24 Jesus said: It’s easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than it is for a rich man to enter Heaven?
I Kings 10:23 Solomon surpassed in riches and wisdom all the Kings on Earth.
I Kings 11:3 Solomon had 700 wives and 300 concubines.
Wow! Solomon the stud! But behold God’s commands concerning wives, gold and silver: Deuteronomy 17:14-18 You may set a King over you that God will choose from one among your brethren, not a foreigner. He shall not multiply for himself wives nor gold and silver.
Solomon did not obey the unchanging, omnipotent God’s rules.
Behold: 1.7% Of Solomon’s Wives & Concubines
I Kings 11:4 When Solomon was old, his wives turned his heart to strange Gods. His heart was not entirely with the Lord.
Solomon ended up worshipping other gods.
I submit that Solomon proved to have wisdom!
Do you like Solomon?
I Kings 11:6 Solomon did Evil.
I Kings 11:9-12 God was angry at Solomon. God won’t deprive Solomon but will take it out on his son.
What? Here it is again C&V! God does punish the son for the sins of the father. Can you spell Bible c-o-n-t-r-a-d-i-c-t-i-o-n?
I Kings 11:11 Solomon failed to keep God’s statutes.
Solomon Wrote Portions of the Bible
Solomon wrote the Book of Ecclesiastes, Proverbs and some other parts of the Bible. Did Solomon get to Heaven? God gave Solomon “wisdom”. Solomon ended up serving other gods. Solomon’s wisdom obviously was brilliant – as this God proved to be heinous / insane.
Solomon wrote in Ecclesiastes 10:19 Money answers all things…
Does this Bible C&V, Ecclesiastes 10:19, surprise you?
I Kings 11:42 Solomon reigned over all Israel 40 years and died.
God proved to favor Solomon in spite of all his sins. God murdered others for much less offenses. Does this again prove that God is not just or fair? God does play favorites and discriminates!
Holman Bible Dictionary: I Kings 11:1-8: Solomon’s politically motivated marriages brought many other gods and their worship into Jerusalem:
How is Humanity any better off because of what God has done to mankind? Are we better off in this God’s creation of inter-parasitical survival? Every biological, living thing lives off other living things. For something to live, things must die. For something to live well, more things must die. What a bloody, painful “creation” this “God of Love” has provided.
Can you hold faith and doubt simultaneously? Can you explain the technique? Do they amount to mere EMOTIONS (“do wants” / “don’t wants” – and their intensities)?
Which does God ask for more – love or obedience? Can you successfully be ordered to love? If you were to describe your love for God, would it come across mostly as fear?
If God didn’t care about His holocaust of the flood where almost everybody in the world died why would He care about 6 million Jews or the 35 to 60 million total dead as the result of WWII? Why would God really care if your daughter was hit by a truck, was a suffering cripple for 50 years and then died?
Another of God’s Causalities?
Is God saying: If you like what I like, you are moral. If you don’t like what I like, you are immoral? Want what I want. Don’t want what I don’t want? Love Me. Support Me, My feelings and agendas – or else?
Jeremiah 15:15-21 Jeremiah cried to God: Why do you treat me like this? You’ve abused me.
During a televised debate a religious authority on the panel announced: You know, God talks to me all the time, and ghosts visit me in my bedroom. A complete invisible world is more real to me than intellect and reason.
When faith, ghosts and other fantasies are introduced, has the quality and integrity of the debate digressed or diminished in any manner? Nonsense can never be explained.
Saul, a Benjamite, was Israel’s first King. Saul was a most handsome man, standing head and shoulders above other men, and was highly favored by the Lord. But, once Saul began to reign, Jehovah begins to despise him.
1st Samuel 16:23 God continually tormented Saul by sending “Evil Spirits” to trouble him. David drives away God’s “Evil Spirits” by playing his harp.
David Drives Away God’s “Evil Spirits” By Playing His Harp
How can something NOT “Evil” send Evil? To send Evil, God must be Evil.
Later, David (supposedly) kills Goliath for Saul.
I Samuel 10:1-9 Samuel tells Saul: God appoints you to govern God’s people, Israel. God will change you into another man. God gave Saul another heart.
What do you think “God gave Saul another heart” means? God changed Saul to be what God wanted Saul to be? What if Saul doesn’t please God? Would it mean or prove that God was not so smart, powerful or in control?
I Samuel 11:6-7 God caused Saul to become angry. Saul cut some oxen to pieces and said: If anyone does not follow Saul, the same will be done to his oxen.
Saul Cut Oxen Of Disobedient Men To Pieces
I Samuel 12:18 All the people dreaded God and Samuel. Catholic
I Samuel 14:36 Saul said: Let’s pursue the Philistines to kill them all.
I Samuel 14:42 Saul said: Cast lots between me and my son Jonathan.
What? Saul ordered gambling? Oh sin!
I Samuel 14:47 After becoming King of Israel, Saul waged war on all their surrounding enemies.
I Samuel 14:52 When Saul saw any strong or brave man, he took him into his service.
This sounds like US draft / conscription.
I Samuel 15:3 God ordered Saul to not spare them; to go murder men, women, children and infants…
I Samuel 15:7-8 Saul murdered people.
Saul Murdered People
I Samuel 15:8-9 Saul killed all the rest of the people; but, Saul spared King Agag, alive.
I Samuel 15:11 God said: I regret having made Saul King. He has not kept My command to murder all…
God admits here that He, not the people, made Saul King. This also proves that God’s “changing Saul’s heart” failed. This God fails at everything He tries to do and Human Beings suffer as the consequence. What a God!
I Samuel 15:18-19 Samuel, Gods prophet, said: Saul, go exterminate them. Why have you disobeyed the Lord?
I Samuel 15:22 Saul asked: Does God delight in holocaust and sacrifice as in obedience to the command of God?
I Samuel 15:23-28 Samuel said: Because you have rejected the command of God, He has rejected you as ruler. Saul asked to be forgiven. God has torn the Kingdom of Israel from you and has given it to a neighbor of yours who is better than you.
This means God changed His mind to have David anointed King. Who said God never changes? He fails in what He attempts so often, He has to make changes.
Samuel Anointed David King
The reason God wanted Saul out was because God commanded Saul to murder all the Amalekites. Because Saul spared King Agag’s life, he had to be eliminated.
I Samuel 15:35 God regretted having made Saul King of Israel.
This is hard evidence that God regrets His actions and that He is imperfect and fallible.
I Samuel 18:7-11 The women sang: Saul has slain his thousands; David his ten thousands. Saul was jealous of David. An Evil Spirit from God came upon Saul and he tried to nail David to the wall with a spear. David got away.
An EVIL SPIRIT came from Whom? God has to BE Evil to send Evil. Spin how it could be otherwise.
I Samuel 18:20-21 Saul used his daughter as a bribe to get David to kill for him. Saul wanted to let the Philistines kill David.
I Samuel 18:25-27 David is given a task to deliver 100 Philistine foreskins for a dowry. David murders 200 Philistines, circumcises their corpses to win Saul’s daughter, Michal.
David Delivered 200 Philistine Penis Foreskins To King Saul
Bart Floyd: This is crazy. How can anybody believe or come to terms with this stuff?
I Samuel 19:1 Saul discussed his intention to murder David.
I Samuel 19:15 Saul said: Bring him up to me in bed that I may kill him.
I Samuel 19:20-24 Saul stripped himself naked and acted crazy.
I Samuel 22:17-19 Saul commanded: Kill the priests of the Lord and 85 priests were killed that day. Saul murdered the city of Nob including men, women, infants and animals.
Saul Had 85 Of God’s Priests Killed
Saul murdered 85 of God’s priests? Then Saul murdered women and infants? Maybe God did change Saul’s heart and does control him. Whatcha think?
I Samuel 25:43 Saul gave David’s wife to another man.
This sounds a lot like the Samson story, doesn’t it?
I Samuel 28:3-18 The Prophet Samuel dies. Saul drove out the mediums and fortune tellers from the land; then, Saul consulted God who refused to answer. So, Saul consulted The Witch of Endor. She conjured up old, dead Samuel, who was cranky. Samuel said God was angry because Saul didn’t destroy Amalek and God will destroy Saul by using the Philistines.
The Witch Of Endor Raised Samuel’s Spirit for Saul
I Chronicles 10:13-14 Saul broke God’s law by consulting a medium.
Can one tell the difference between a prophet, a psychic, a clergy or a medium?
I Samuel 31 Saul was hit in the abdomen with an arrow. He ordered his armor-bearer to finish him off. He refused so Saul fell on his own sword. His armor-bearer did likewise and died with him. The Philistines cut off Saul’s head and cremated him.
King Saul
Religion affects as an abstract, yet a romantic art form, meaning that it’s a paradox based on ignorance that promotes mind-set feelings over facts.
A manipulator’s intention, when telling you to “have faith”, is to terminate your capacity to question – or to think for yourself – or to obey – and to change your life more to his or her liking. When someone tells you to “have faith” – they are telling you to “shut up and obey”. I usually stand up, look them squarely in the eye and inform them that: “I obey enforceable criminal and civil law. Outside of that, I don’t do obedience.”
Many view these investigative results and their commentary to be brutally honest. Some feel too honest. If anyone can prove that any portion of these works is in definite factual error, in context to the over-all Biblical depiction, inform us. Embarrassment will be felt and it will definitely be corrected. But, it has to be based on Biblical evidence not hear-say bias, unrelated material or a feel-good agenda to protect God just because He is God. Considering all the Biblical contradictions makes for the toughest debates.
People primarily support the Biblical God simply because it was sold to them that He was the authority in charge of Biblical events and people. Maybe it’s time to reconsider the facts and determine that He wasn’t in control.
Is God Remote Control?
The Biblical God was constantly ineffective in holding His people together. As a General, the Biblical God lost so many battles and so many wars that He Himself often turned on His Own people. The Biblical God failed often in almost everything He attempted to do. That is the reality. Outside of a believer’s fear of death and eternal-damnation, which the Biblical God promised in The New Testament, why would any thinking person waste time and respect on an entity with such a poor and evil track record concerning all God’s “supposed” creations on Earth?
I Samuel 17:48-51 David faces the challenge of combat with the enemy Philistines and slays the giant, Goliath of Gath, and cuts off his head. KJV
II Samuel 21:19 El-Hanan killed Goliath of Gath. Catholic
Did David or El-Hanan Kill Goliath?
The Catholic version states this and this is questionable.
I Samuel 18:7 The women sang: Saul has slain his thousands and David his ten thousands.
If you believe this to be true, do you view that God’s David became a mass-murderer?
I Samuel 18:27 David murdered 200 Philistines and circumcised their corpses, all for the hand of one of Saul’s daughters, Michal.
I Samuel 20:4 Jonathan said to David, Whatever your soul desires, I will do it for you.
I Samuel 20:5-6 David told his friend, Jonathan, to lie.
I Samuel 20:41-42 David arose out of a place toward the south, and fell on his face to the ground, and bowed himself three times: and they (David & Jonathan) kissed one another, and wept one with another, until David “exceeded”(?) And Jonathan said to David, Go in peace, forasmuch as we have sworn both of us in the name of the Lord, saying, the Lord be between me and thee, and between my seed and thy seed forever.
I Samuel 1:26 (After Jonathan’s death) David said: I am distressed for thee, my brother Jonathan: very pleasant hast thou been unto me: thy love to me was wonderful, passing the love of women.
What was the “LOVE” between David & Jonathan?
There was also John – “The Disciple Whom Jesus Loved”.
I Samuel 21:2-3 David lied to a priest.
David, again, fits the mold of one of the Biblical God’s heroes as David is documented to be a liar who also tells others to lie. As long as even one Bible still exists on Planet Earth, these controversial C&Vs will not go away.
I Samuel 21:11-14 David fled from Saul to King Achish. David was afraid of him, feigned insanity and acted like a madman, drooling on his beard.
I Samuel 24:22-23 Saul said to David: Swear to me, by God, that you will not destroy my descendants. David gave Saul his oath.
David has already proven to be a liar, so Saul, you and I should not believe him.
II Samuel 21:1-9 (After swearing “By God” not to) David gave up 7 of Saul’s descendants to be dismembered (murdered) before God.
David, a man after God’s Own heart, after swearing to Saul, by God, broke his “sacred” promise. David, like the Biblical God, will definitely keep his promise – unless he doesn’t.
I Samuel 25:2-34 David said: As God lives, who has restrained me, if you (Abigail) had not come down, so quickly, to meet me; by dawn, Nabal (your husband) would not have had a single man or boy left alive.
David would have killed everybody just because he felt insulted? What a “God-like” ego!
I Samuel 25:39-43 (God killed Nabal) David married Abigail, Nabal’s wife, and also took Ahinoam for his wife. But Saul gave David’s wife, Michal, Saul’s daughter, to another.
Abigail Met David
I Samuel 27:1-12 David said that he had no choice but to escape from Saul to the land of the Philistines. With 600 men he went over to Achish, the son of the Philistine King. David lived with the Philistines for 1 year, 4 months. He attacked cities and left NOmen, women or children alive as was his custom when he lived in the country of the Philistines. Achish trusted David, thinking he must be detested by his people, Israel.
David attacked cities and left NO men, women or children alive – and committed unprovoked mass murders? David IS truly one of God’s “Thou Shalt NOT Kill” heroes.
I Samuel 29:6-10 King Achish informs David he is honest (a traitor to Israel). David begs to stay and fight for them, but they didn’t trust him, so David had to be on his way.
I Samuel 30:6 David’s own men spoke of stoning (murdering) him.
Wow! What a popular hero and leader David was NOT among his own troops!
II Samuel 1:1-16 An Amalekite man reported to David that he saw King Saul leaning on his spear and that Saul begged him to finish him off. David ordered that man murdered.
II Samuel 2:4 The men of Judah anointed David King.
Samuel Anointed David King
II Samuel 2:8 Ishbaal, son of Saul, was made King over the rest of Israel.
Hummm. Saul obviously worshipped Baal to name one of his sons after Baal.
II Samuel 3:1 There followed a long war between the house of Saul and David with David winning.
Isn’t David killing brother “God chosen” Israelites? What a Biblical model of virtue for the American Civil War!
II Samuel 4:8-12 Two brothers brought the head of Ishbaal, David’s enemy, to David. David had them murdered, cut off their hands and feet and hung them by the pool.
II Samuel 5:4-5 David was 30 years old when he became King and reigned for 40 years; 33 years in Jerusalem over all Israel.
II Samuel 5:8 David said: The lame and the blind shall be the personal enemies of David and shall never enter the palace. Catholic
God’s hero, David, made enemies of the lame and the blind.
WHAT did this “sociopath” just say? God had not wanted infirm people near His temple either. Are these truly your models of compassion, decency, good and virtue?
II Samuel 5:13 David took more concubines and wives – more kids were born to him.
Oh yes! This is definitely God’s man.
II Samuel 5:17-20 The Philistines searched for David. He asked God if he should attack them. God said: Attack! I will deliver them to you, and David defeated them.
II Samuel 6:14 David, girt with a linen apron, danced before God with wild abandon.
II Samuel 6:20 David exposed himself to the slave girls.
Do you think David was ever sued by one of those girls?
II Samuel 7:9 God told David: I have been with you where ever you went and have destroyed your enemies before you.
II Samuel 7:22 David “brown-noses” God: You are great; there is none like you and no God but you…
II Samuel 8:1 David conquers the Philistines.
II Samuel 8:4 David hamstrung horses.
Doesn’t anybody have any conscience here? Doing this “loving” God’s work is so disgusting.
II Samuel 8:5 David slew 22,000.
II Samuel 8:13 David became famous for slaying 18,000 Edomites.
II Samuel 10:18 David’s men killed 700 charioteers and 40,000 Arabian foot soldiers.
David Killed 700 Charioteers & 40,000 Arabian Soldiers
II Samuel 11:2-5 David made pregnant Uriah’s wife, Bathsheba.
Isn’t that committing adultery?
II Samuel 11:14-17 David ordered Uriah, one of his officers, to be killed in battle so that David could have his wife, Bathsheba.
David knocks-up Bathsheba. Bathsheba was married to Uriah. Uriah was one of David’s officers. To have Bathsheba, David has her husband Uriah killed in battle.
Do you really like David? Why? Why not? How do you feel about David’s God?
Let it sink in: David either committed adultery or raped Bathsheba. Then, David murdered Bathsheba’s husband, Uriah. Uriah was one of David’s officers, who was the armor-bearer for Joab, David’s main General.
The Law of Moses required that David be stoned according to Deuteronomy 22:22.
But, David was not executed. God killed David’s child instead.
II Samuel 11:26-27 David displeased the Lord.
This conflicts with:
I Samuel 25:28 David fights the battles of God and Evil has NOT been found in him in all his days.
Maybe “Evil” is “The Biblical God’s pleasure”.
II Samuel 12:9 David despised the word of the Lord and did Evil in His sight. KJV
Wow! Isn’t that’s quite the testimony for God’s favorite? And, isn’t this yet another contradiction with 1st Samuel 25:28?
II Samuel 12:11-12 God said: I will bring Evil upon you out of your own house. I will make your neighbor have sex with your wives in the presence of all Israel in broad daylight.
God has to BE “Evil” to bring “Evil” upon someone. Did this C&V just document that the Biblical God both caused adultery and also created smut voyeurism? In the ancient Israelite belief, God did it all. Christians spin the Satan myth to take the heat off the Biblical God because God is such an evil, heinous Character. And, the Judeo-Christians want this God worshiped.
II Samuel 12:13-18 Nathan, the prophet, told David that God, on His part, had forgiven David’s sin, that he shall not die but the child born to him must surely die and the child did die.
Who said something about: The sins of the father will NOT be paid for by his children? Was this little guy allowed to live for 7 days, so that parent / child emotional bonding could take place? Then, did God murder the little child just to punish the parents? Do you dare honestly answer these questions?
II Samuel 12:24 David had sex with Bathsheba again. She bore Solomon.
The Biblical God is totally kinky. God murders David’s & Bathsheba’s first nameless child to punish them. Then, God gives David and Bathsheba an awesome, “sacred” reward by having (God’s next hero) King Solomon born unto them.
II Samuel 20:3 David locked away 10 concubines until their deaths.
These 10 concubines willingly and intentionally did nothing to deserve such a horrible fate. But then, what would you expect from God’s heroes?
II Samuel 21:6-9 David took 7 descendants of Saul and gave them up so they were dismembered before God.
Remember in 1st Samuel 24: 22-23 Saul said to David, “Swear to me, by God, that you will not destroy my descendants.”
Redundantly, didn’t David give to Saul his oath? Wasn’t that sacred oath to God? David lied, broke his word and his oath to God. Doesn’t this God and His King David both prove to be liars? Do you support David? Why? Do you support this Judeo-Christian ethic – this sick Biblical model?
II Samuel 24:1 God was angry with Israel and told David to number Israel.
To Number Is to Take A Census
NEWS-FLASH! Remember: Angry GOD told David to number Israel right here according to II Samuel 24:1.
I Chronicles 21:1 And SATAN stood up against Israel, and provoked David to number Israel. KJV
NEWS-FLASH II: SATAN provoked David to number Israel right here as documented in 1st Chronicles 21:1.
Isn’t it ironic that in the 13th book of the Holy Bible, “Satan” is introduced in 1st Chronicles 21:1. In Satan’s first by-name introduction, the Bible claims that Satan is doing the exact same deed that God, Himself, took credit for in II Samuel 24:1. Based on this “sacred” introduction to a character called “Satan” – a logical person must question – “Is God and Satan the same Character?” Either they both are the same character or the Bible LIED by accusing both God and Satan of ordering King David to do a census.
II Samuel 24:10 David regretted having numbered the people.
Why? It was because God ordered David to number the people in II Samuel 24:1, didn’t God?
II Samuel 24:15 God punished (David) by putting out a plague that murdered 70,000 of his people.
God’s Death-Angel Killed 70,000 to Punish David for Obeying God’s Orders?
Why again? God ordered David to number the people in II Sam 24:1, did He not? Again, did the Bible later lie that Satan ordered the census in 1st Chronicles 21:1?
II Samuel 24:25 David built an altar to offer holocaust (sacrifices) to God as peace offerings. God stopped his murdering (after 70,000 died).
God sent His “Death-Angel” to murder 70,000 innocent “God Chosen” Israelites after David obeyed God’s order to number the Israelites in II Samuel 24:1. What a God! What a Bible! What insanity!
How The Biblical God Viewed His David
I Samuel 25:28 David fights the battles of God and evil has NOT been found in him in all his days.
Evil has not been found in David in all his days.
This has to be one of God’s believer’s greater conflicts. After knowing all the heinous, murderous deeds David did, with and without his God, can you explain it away?
II Samuel 19:27 My Lord the King (David) is an Angel of God.
David is an Angel of God? Wow!
Acts 13:22 God said: This was David, a man after My Own heart which shall fulfill all My will.
David was a man after God’s Own heart!
David shall fulfill all God’s will!
I Kings 15:5 David did that which “was right in the eyes of God.”
So, let’s review:
David killing his ten thousands was right as David shall fulfill God’s will!
David murdering 200 Philistines and circumcised their corpses was right in the eyes of God.
David lying and telling another to lie is alright as evil has not been found in David in all his days.
David, after swearing by GOD to Saul he would not, gave up 7 of Saul’s descendants to be dismembered (murdered / torn-apart / sliced to pieces) before God which was right in the eyes of God.
David would have killed everybody at a private function just because he wasn’t invited. David felt insulted and this was right as David shall fulfill God’s will!
David attacked cities and left no men, women or children alive as evil has not been found in David in all his days.
David’s killing brother “God Chosen” Israelites was right in the eyes of God.
David murdered men, cut off their hands and feet and hung them by the pool which was right as David shall fulfill God’s will!
The lame and the blind shall be the personal enemies of David, an Angel of God.
David hamstrung horses which was right in the eyes of God.
David slew 22,000 as which was right as David shall fulfill God’s will!
David became famous for slaying 18,000 Edomites which was right in the eyes of God.
David’s men killed 700 charioteers and 40,000 Arabian foot soldiers as David was an Angel of God.
David exposed himself to the slave girls which was right in the eyes of God.
David took more concubines and wives which was right in the eyes of God.
David displeased the Lord as David was an Angel of God.
David despised the word of the Lord and did Evil in His sight which was right as David shall fulfill God’s will!
Having Bathsheba’s husband, Uriah, killed so David could have her was God’s will as evil has not been found in David in all his days.
God had forgiven David’s sin, that he shall not die but the child born to him must die because Evil has not been found in David in all his days.
Was the new “Satan” character in 1 Chronicles, the 13th book of the Bible, created as an afterthought, a “patsy”? Was Satan character’s job to cover-up from blaming The Biblical God for all His evil deeds? The concept of A Satan was first introduced about 500-400 BC, about the time Chronicles was written.
Primitive Jews had no more of a concept of Satan than they did of Jesus. To the Old Testament Biblical Hebrews, God did it all.
Theologians agree that this book was written by unknown authors. It gives an account for each generation abandoning the Biblical God for other Gods and the manner in which God deals with it.
Judges 1:4-6 God slew 10,000 and cut off Adonibezek’s thumbs and big toes.
Adonibezek
Judges 2:11-14 God’s chosen people forsook Him, and God sold the Israelites out to their enemies.
Bible C&V evidence: God’s chosen people forsook Him. God sold them out to their enemies.
Hummm, it seems that God cannot understand why He is unpopular. I know a couple of former US Presidents like that. 43 & 45
Judges 3:12-29 The Israelites offended God. God strengthened Eglon, King of Moab against them, who defeated them. The Israelites cried out to God. God raised up, for them, a savior, the Benjamite, Ehud, who was left-handed. Ehud made himself a foot long knife and hid it under his clothes on his right thigh. He told King Eglon he had a message for him and in private thrust the dagger into King Eglon’s belly. He died. Ehud made good his escape and the Israelites killed 10,000 Moabites. Not a man escaped.
God used their enemy, a Moabite King, to defeat His chosen Israel.
Israel repented and God again used His chosen Israelites to murder 10,000 Moabites.
Is it documented that God had “Biblical saviors” before Jesus Christ?
Judges 3:31 Shamgar slew 600 Philistines.
It seems this “savior” is also into God’s murdering. Maybe, if we had a female leader, things wouldn’t be so bloody. Can you imagine the Israelites having a female judge or a female leader of any kind? Is it testosterone that does God’s murdering work?
Judges 4:2 God sold Israel out and into slavery to Jabin, the Canaanite King.
God does not care who He murders just to get His way.
Lawyer critic: That’s for another book.
No. It fits this work.
Here comes a couple of God’s Biblical heroines:
Judges 4:4 The Prophetess Deborah was judging Israel.
What? A woman? I’ll bet the Rabbis down-play this passage. Had you heard of this?
The dogma: God gave Human Beings freedom of choice. However, God gets mad, sad and sorry and destroys people throughout the Bible because of the choices they make.
Judges 4:16-21 (As Deborah prophesized): The entire army of Sisera was slain, not one man survived. Jael, Heber’s wife, aids an ally by inviting Sisera to sleep in her tent while she kept guard. She gave him milk and covered him. Then, she took a tent peg and a hammer and nailed him through his head into the ground while he slept. He died.
Note: Two of God’s female Biblical heroes; Deborah is an Israelite Judge over God’s chosen and Jael nails Sisera through his head.
As evidence of Deborah and Jael, women who murder can be God-like too.
A revisit: Judges 5:24-27 Blessed above women be Jael. He asked for water, she gave him milk. She reached for the peg and workman’s mallet. She hammered Sisera, crushed his head. She smashed in his temple. At her feet, he fell still, slain.
How come it’s “God’s chosen” that wages war, mostly against other of “God’s chosen”? Even if one whips the other’s buttocks, both tend to suffer much. Does the Biblical God feed on suffering?
Judges 6:12-16 An angel of God said Gideon was His champion and that God was with him. Gideon said: If God is with us, why has all this happened to us. Now God has abandoned us. God said: It is I who send you. Gideon said: My family is the meanest (Catholic) the poorest (KJV) in Manasseh and I am the most significant (Catholic) I am the least (KJV) in my father’s house. God said: Go murder Midian to the last man.
Here is another example of documented differences between the Catholic and the King James versions of the Bible.
Remember Genesis 25: After Sarah died, Abraham took a wife named Keturah. She bared him sons, one of which was Midian. God said “Go murder Midian”. God murdered more of Abraham’s descendants. God shows no loyalty to His Biblical Heroes.
Later, in the New Testament, God planned and executed the torture and murder of His own Son, Jesus Christ. Jesus Christ loyally served the Biblical God. Jesus brought Eternal-Torment, after death, into God’s agenda for Human Beings. Who said: God does not change?
Gideon Defeats the Midianites
Judges 6:22-23 Gideon said: God, I have seen the angel of God, face to face. God said: Be calm, don’t fear. You won’t die.
Judges 8:10 God murdered 120,000 men that drew sword.
Are you numb as to numbers this God has murdered yet?
Judges 8:21 Gideon murdered Zebah and Zalmunna.
Judges 8:30 Gideon (one of the Biblical God’s heroes) had 70 sons, for he had many wives. His concubine bore him a son whom he named Abimelech.
Judges 9:1-5 Abimelech asked the citizens of Shechem: Which is better for you, being ruled by 70 men or 1 man? They picked him. Abimelech murdered his 70 brothers.
Abimelech murdered his 70 brothers. Another candidate for God.
Judges 9:53-56 A woman fractured Abimelech’s head. He ordered his armor-bearer to finish him off and to say that the woman did not kill him. His attendant ran him through, and he died. God took revenge on Abimelech for killing his 70 brothers.
Here is another of God’s murderous female heroes. Abimelech did not want a woman to get credit of killing him. The Bible keeps her anonymous.
Judges 10:7 The anger of God was hot against Israel and He sold them out. KJV
Was this due to Abimelech’s murdering his 70 brothers?
Judges 10:12-14 God said: When you cried out, I saved you. You still forsook Me and worshipped other gods. So, I will save you no more. Go and cry out to the gods you have chosen and let them save you.
What other gods? Did God admit here that there are other gods?
Judges 15:14-16 Samson was tied up. The Philistines shouted against him. God released Samson’s hands. He found a jawbone of an ass and killed 1,000 men. Samson boasted: With the jawbone of an ass, I have slain a thousand men.
Who of God’s heroes, so far, have not murdered anyone? Could Samson be but another of God’s horny, murderous heroes?
Judges 11:1 Jephthah was born of a harlot.
Jephthah: A God’s hero, who was born of a harlot?
I get accused that I misinterpret and misrepresent Bible C&Vs.
Judges 11:30-39 Jephthah vowed to God: Give me victory and I will give to You the first thing that comes through my door for a burnt offering. This “in-control” God had Jephthah murder 20 cities for Him and then God had Jephthah’s happy daughter come through his door, to welcome her father home. Jephthah gave his virgin daughter two months to mourn her virginity because she couldn’t live long enough to bear children. She had to die. By burnt offering, Jephthah sacrificed his 13-year-old daughter to your Biblical God.
Any tears?
God’s hero, Jephthah, murdered 20 cities for God. Then he sacrificed his only child, his virgin daughter, who obviously loved her daddy. Did “know it all” God arrange for her to greet Jephthah at his door upon his homecoming? Do you think that God still enjoyed smelling her burning fat from around her organs as depicted in Genesis 8, Exodus 29, and Leviticus 1:9?
God did not change as He later did not call off the Human sacrifice of His own son, Jesus Christ.
Judges 12:6-7 Jephthah goes on to murder 42,000 brother Israelites. God rewards him to judge Israel for 6 years.
Today, our Godly United States Government still sacrifices our best babies for its political killing agendas. Other than the US population sounding like fearful, obedient sheep, we do little to stop it.
Aren’t the Ephraimites, who are named after Ephraim, the son of Joseph, Israelites too? The Ephraimites came from Joseph’s seed. Why wasn’t this tribe called Josephites? There is no “tribe of Joseph”. Wasn’t God’s favorite Hebrew bloodline compromised with Ephraim and his brother Manasses due to their mother being Egyptian? Isn’t this more Biblical hypocrisy?
Judges 12:8-9 Then, Ibzan judged Israel. He had 30 sons and 30 daughters.
Judges 12:13 Abdon judged Israel. He had 40 sons.
What? How many of God’s appointed leaders were documented sex maniacs? God’s chosen Israelite leaders are documented, by Bible C&V, to be obsessed by sex and had sex with tons of women.
Boy, that could never happen with our leaders today – could it?
Judges 13 Israel again offended God, so it’s 40 more years of slavery for them with the Philistines. An angel of God appeared to a woman (Hannah) and said: You are barren. You will conceive. Be careful to take no wine or strong drink. The son you bear is to be consecrated to God from the womb. He will deliver Israel from the Philistines. He was named Samson.
Note: This is a noteworthy C&V passage concerning alcohol.
God slam-dunks His chosen Israelites again and again, each time to predestine a savior to save them. This time it’s Samson. Then, the re-cycle continues. What torture! What a God!
Did you ever notice that many of God’s Old Testament hero’s mothers are old, barren, can’t have children, and are maternally dysfunctional. Then magically, they have children.
In the New Testament, there is a young, virgin mother named Mary, who many Catholics still swear remained and died a virgin, despite vast documentation showing she had numerous kids.
This God punishes His children while rewarding His enemies. Sound fair? Righteous? Good? Loving? Want to invite Him home? Would you want this God to baby-sit your child, especially if your child is sick, handicapped or has sinned?
Samson’s Mother Hanna
Judges 13:24 The woman (Hannah) bore a son and named him Samson and God blessed him.
Samson is probably a good guy, right? Virtuous? Wholesome?
Judges 14:1-4 Samson wanted for a wife a Philistine woman (outside of his religion) to provide The Biblical God an opportunity against the Philistines.
The Biblical God arranged for an opportunity to fight and murder a group of people? What a model God is for Human history. Who needs a Satan?
Judges 14:6 Without weapons, Samson tore a lion to pieces.
Judges 14:8-9 Later, when he returned to marry the woman who pleased him, he ate honey from the lion’s dead carcass. He gave some for his mother and father to eat without telling them that he scooped the honey from the dead lion’s carcass.
Samson is another sick puppy. Boy, can this God ever pick them…
Judges 14:11-20 Samson bet 30 men 30 tunics to solve a riddle. Upon losing the bet due to his wife, The Spirit of God inspired Samson to murder 30 men in town for their tunics to pay the debt off. Samson’s wife made him lose the bet. Then, she married Samson’s best man.
Samson, God inspired, murdered 30 innocent men so to steal their tunics to pay off a gambling debt”? Good God!
Judges 15:4-5 Samson caught 300 foxes, tied their tails together, set them afire and they burned the countryside.
Samson Set 300 Foxes on Fire to burn the countryside
What kind of a humanitarian touch is this for Samson or for God? Do members of PETA support this God?
Judges 15:6-8 The Philistines asked who had done this and was told it was because Samson’s wife had been given to his best man. The Philistines (while trying to correct the injustice) killed her and her family by fire. Samson, then inflicted great slaughter on her people, (those same Philistines).
Judges 16:1 Samson had sex with a harlot.
Who? What? One of God’s heroes and “good guys” had sex with a what? A harlot – again?
Judges 16:4 Samson fell in love with Delilah.
Judges 16:10 & 13 Samson lied to Delilah.
Judges 16:17 Samson told Delilah the truth about his strength and long hair. The Philistines brought money. While he slept in her lap, she had them shave his head. Then, she began to mistreat him. The Philistines gouged out Samson’s eyes. Samson killed more men and women bringing down the temple than he had killed during his entire lifetime and died himself. Samson judged Israel for 20 years.
Delilah, Samson’s wife had her fellow Philistines shave Samson’s head to take his powers. God then gave Samson the power to destroys the Philistine’s Pagan Temple. Samson murdered many. Yes! But didn’t Samson, like Jesus, also commit suicide?
Wasn’t Samson, with his murderous, lying, whoring character consecrated from the womb to serve God in this manner?
Judges 18:7-10 Laish, those whom you go against are a trusting people. God has put them in your power (to murder them?)
Judges 18:27-28 They attacked Laish, a quiet and trusting people. The Israelites murdered them and destroyed their city by fire.
Critic / believer: I never seen God kill nobody. I don’t care what that book says. He never done it.
What? They were a quiet and trusting people and God ordered their murders? I am about sick of this murderous bunch and their Boss. Are these the beautiful Bible stories that the masses worship?
Judges 19 A Levite man’s concubine, who was unfaithful to him visits her father’s house. Her master, the Levite man, spends time there. They leave to go home. On their way they seek shelter in Gilbeah, where they are taken in by an old man and his daughter. Certain men of the tribe of Benjamin knock at their door wanting the Levite man to come out so they could have sex with him. The old man begs them to take his daughter or the man’s concubine instead, stating: Do what you want with them. (This part is a Biblical parallel to the Lot and his 2 daughters story). The husband seized his concubine and thrust her outside the door to them (nice guy). They all had sex with her all night and she fell down at the door until daylight. Her master finding her, told her to get up. She couldn’t. He put her on an ass and took her to their home where he cut her into 12 pieces, including her bones. He then sent the 12 pieces to the 12 tribes of Israel.
Judges 20:17- 21 The Israelites assembled 400,000 footmen with sword and attacked the Benjamites. 1/10th of the tribes was gathered. 26,000 Benjamites faced the enemy, their brother Israelis. The first day the Benjamites killed 22,000 Israelis.
Judges 20:22 The Israelites asked God: Should I again engage my brother Benjamin in battle? God answered: Yes. They should.
One can almost hear this God say: Hurry, I need my fix of blood, pain and agony! Quick! Go kill some of my people! What’s the delay?
Judges 20:24 When they met for the second time, the Benjamites killed another 18,000 Israelites.
God, as the Israelite’s military intelligence officer, flunked this battle.
Judges 20:26-28 The Israelites offered sacrifice to God and He said: Attack tomorrow and you will win.
Judges 20:35 On the third day the Israelis killed 25,100 Benjamites.
God kicked buttocks.
You know that Joseph’s youngest, of the 12 brothers, was Benjamin, whom this tribe descended from. Brother Israelites are again killing their brother Israelites. Oh, God’s impeccable logic and reason!
Judges 20:47 Six hundred Benjamites survived and fled.
Later, they were given Israelite captured virgins taken from an enemy because it was declared that no Israelite women would be a wife to a Benjamite. Benjamin was the younger son of Rachel and Jacob. He was Joseph’s little brother.
Judges 20:48 God’s Israelites murdered the inhabitants of the Benjamite cities they chanced upon. They destroyed, by fire, all the cities they came upon.
Judges 21:10-11 12,000 soldiers were ordered to Jabesh-Gilead to murder those who lived there including women and children. That included all males and all non-virgin women.
Do you understand what is being stated here? GOD! Once you trigger these peoples’ murdering frenzy, they don’t stop or know when to quit. They are chips off the old God.
Judges 29:41 The Benjamites were amazed, for they saw that evil had come among them.
Could all this be the result of inbreeding? Remember: Abraham and his wife, Sarah, were half-brother and sister, same father, different mothers.
Abraham’s son Isaac, a product of incest, was the only documented, Bible C&V, Human sacrifice that God spared. The Koran infers that Abraham’s child sacrifice was Isaac’s older half-brother, Ishmael.
Isaac begot Jacob, who was the Father of 12 sons by 4 different women, 2 sets of sisters or possibly all 4 were 1/2 sisters, daughters of Laban (Torah). At least 2 (Leah and Rachel) were definitely cousins to Jacob.
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Joshua 2:1 Joshua sends 2 spies into Jericho to lodge with a harlot, Rahab.
Traitor: Rahab the Harlot
Rahab, the harlot, turned traitor on her own people and city by making a deal with Joshua and the Israelites to save herself and her family.
Rahab, the Harlot, was guilty of treason to her country and to her people.
A “harlot” sells sex. Rahab was a harlot.
Joshua 6:20-21 Joshua attacks Jericho and slaughters all the men, women, babies and animals.
After the slaughter of every man, woman and child – save Rahab and her family, Rahab married Salmon, an Israelite priest, and ended up in Jesus Christ’s “sacred” bloodline and lineage.
Note: Rahab was not a Jew / Hebrew / Israelite. Yet, Rahab, the Harlot, is in King David’s and Jesus Christ’s “sacred” bloodline. God had murdered many of His “chosen” for marrying outside their “sacred” bloodline.
Joshua Attacks Jericho
Joshua 7:19-25 Joshua said to A’chan: My son, give God honor by telling me what you have done. Don’t hide it from me. A’chan, an Israeli warrior confessed. All Israel stoned and burned A’chan, his innocent children and all their animals.
Joshua 8:1-2 God tells Joshua to go murder the city of A’i, to do to it’s King what they did to Jericho and its King, except you may take its spoils and livestock as booty.
Joshua 8:8 God said to Joshua: When you have taken the city, set it on fire in obedience to God’s command. These are My orders to you.
Joshua 8:24-29 (By ambush, Joshua) God murders all 12,000 men and women, the entire population of A’i and gave the Israelites their cattle and spoils. Joshua hanged their King.
Joshua 10:12-13 Joshua ordered God to stop still the Sun and Moon so he could finish murdering. God did.
Who is the boss around here, anyway? Like Moses, God, again, obeyed the orders of Joshua, a mere man.
The “clay / man”, again, successfully bosses the “Potter / God”.
Joshua 10:20-26 Joshua said: Put your foot on the necks of the five Kings and murder them.
Joshua 11:6-9 God ordered and Joshua hamstrung horses.
Do you like Joshua? Why? How about his Boss?
Joshua 11:10-15 Joshua captured Hazor and slew its King with the sword. He put every person to the sword until none were left alive and burned Hazor. Joshua captured all those Kings with their cities and he fulfilled (God’s) doom by putting every person there to the sword. The Israelites took all the spoils and livestock of these cities as their booty, but the people, they put to the sword, until they had exterminated the last of them, leaving none alive. Joshua left nothing undone that God commanded Moses should be done.
Joshua and Caleb were the only two leaders that God allowed to enter “The Promised Land”. The other 2-3 million “chosen” had to die.
God fulfilled His promise of “The Promised Land” to Joshua and Caleb.
God failed to fulfill His promise of “The Promised Land” to 2-3 million others of His sacred “chosen”. What a God!
Spiritual: For most believers, what they define as “spiritual” is their desire to experience an alternative, hopeful reality, focusing on anything other than their unfulfilled, here and now, reality. Drugs, for many believers on drugs, amount to a spiritual experience. Booze, drugs and religion are vehicles for people who emotionally want to be someplace else. Believers use religion, drugs and booze as an escape from reality. Denial is automatic.
Escape from Reality
Did you ever notice that in history books, God is never a contributing character in historical scenarios? Man has often used God in his persuasion, motivation, and excuses for his own behavior, for his good fortune or bad luck. Religions and other supernatural voodoos are the prime vehicles for any God manifestations.
Scenario / Parable:
There was once a 13-year-old little girl who cried because her daddy had to go to war. She cried: My daddy has to go away but he’ll return most any day; any moment I may see my daddy coming back to me. For months she cried daily: Oh daddy, wherever you are, I’m thinking of you and I know you’re thinking of me! By Shirley Temple
Joshua 1:1-6 Moses is dead. Joshua takes over. God promises: I’ll deliver to you every place you set foot. No one can withstand you while you live. I will not leave you nor forsake you. I will give you possession of the land that I swore to your fathers I would give them.
Did God give the land to the first individuals He promised? Aren’t they mostly all dead in the desert as the result of war and this God’s wrath? If someone promised a gift to you and gave the gift to another, is that promise fulfilled?
Joshua 2:1 Joshua, God’s chosen, sent two spies into Jericho who lodged with the harlot, Rahab.
Isn’t a “harlot” questionable company for God’s chosen?
Joshua 2:8-13 Rahab sells out her home and Jericho to the spies of Israel in exchange for her family’s survival.
Rahab Helping the Spies
Rahab is a traitor to her own people. And you wonder why sex-workers, prostitutes, hookers, get a bad name.
Joshua 3:16-17 The priests, who bear The Ark of The Covenant, and all the Israelites passed over on dry ground in the middle of the Jordan river.
Why didn’t this miracle that “all the Israelites passed over on dry ground in the middle of the Jordan river” make it big like Moses’ “parting of The Red Sea”?
Joshua 4:13-14 40,000 troops stood before Jericho. God exalted Joshua. The Israelites respected (and obeyed) Joshua as they did Moses.
Joshua 4:24 (These deeds were done) in order that all the people of Earth may learn that the hand of God is mighty and to fear God forever.
Tyrant tactics! Ah, FEAR. Along with obedience, obey Me or I will kill you fear is a primary theme of this God. Fear is the oldest and most effective tool of authority, tyranny and power. Aren’t you prone to be obedient to what you are afraid of?
Joshua 5:6 The Israelites wandered 40 years in the desert until all the warriors that came out of Egypt died off because they had not fully obeyed the command of God. God swore He would not let them see the land of milk and honey that He promised their fathers He would give them.
Here is the absolute documented Bible C&V evidence that the “Biblical God’s promises” were conditional.
Wasn’t it Joshua who met Moses in Exodus 32:17 when Moses came down from the mountain with God’s finger-written tablets, the original 10 Commandments? Must Joshua also be old?
What command did the now dead soldiers fail to obey for God? Wasn’t God’s command for them to murder men, women and babies in order to steal their land? These soldiers were punished for not murdering and stealing. They tried to fulfill God’s commandments.
Joshua 6:20-21 God ordered Joshua to attack Jericho’s mighty walled city. God knocked the walls down with sound. Joshua’s army slaughtered all the men, women, young and old, oxen, sheep, and the asses.
Jericho’s Mighty Walled City
Joshua 6:23-24 The harlot, Rahab, and her family were spared by the spies. They burned the city and everything in it except for the silver and gold which was placed in the treasury in the house of God.
This hooker serves God? Can Rahab possibly go to Heaven? Yes / no?
Catholic BN Pg. 163: From Matthew 1:5, we learn that Rahab (the harlot, prostitute, hooker) married Salmon of Judah and thus became the great-great grandmother of King David and Jesus Christ’s sacred ancestor.
Rahab the Harlot was a sex-worker and a traitor to her people! She also was not Hebrew. God often murdered His “chosen Hebrews” for marrying outside their “sacred” tribes.
Tamar and Rahab, women who received payment for sex, were both blood-descendants of King David and of Jesus Christ? Bathsheba was an adulteress with David. Ruth had sex with Boaz before she married him. All these women were in Jesus Christ’s “sacred” bloodline. This is shocking!
The “Virgin Mary”, a girl at the age of about 13, was mysteriously impregnated to produce Jesus Christ’s “pure bloodline”.
Joshua 7:19-25 Joshua said to A’chan: My son, give God glory and honor by telling me what you have done. Don’t hide it from me. A’chan, an Israeli warrior confessed that he took for himself some gold, silver etc. God gets mad and the Israelites lose an ensuing battle in which thousands of Israeli soldiers are killed. All Israel stoned and burned A’chan, his innocent children & all their animals.
Confession may be good for the soul, but after confession, God murdered thousands of Israel’s soldiers and A’chan’s children.
Joshua 8:1-2 God tells Joshua to get his army up and to go murder the city of A’I; to do to the A’i King what they did to Jericho and its King, except they may take its spoils and livestock as booty.
Joshua 8:8 God said to Joshua: When you have taken the city, set it on fire in obedience to God’s command. These are My orders to you.
Joshua 8:24-29 (By ambush) God murders all 12,000 men & women, the entire population of A’i and gave the Israelites their cattle and spoils. Joshua hanged their King.
Joshua 10:10-11 God slew a great slaughter at Gideon and other cities. When the victims fled, God cast down great stones from Heaven. More died from God’s hailstones than the Israeli soldiers killed by the sword.
Law enforcement prohibits a police officer to shoot a fleeing criminal, yet God sees fit to murder fleeing innocent women and children with his hail stones from the sky. This Bible C&V again documents that God directly killed Human Beings.
Isn’t a foul deed a foul deed no matter who commits it? Aren’t we willing accomplices when we say: My God, King and Country right or wrong? Let’s cut to it. Isn’t this God a murderous monster? Isn’t, under certain circumstances, our own “Ego” (I’m the value / I am the authority / I am entitled) capable of identical attitudes and acts?
Mention ego and people get defensive. Isn’t this destructive profile of God exactly like the destructive profile of the ego of a predatory man, animal, insect, parasite and virus?
Because our hidden, sacred ego is capable of this same heinous behavior, isn’t that the real reason we unconditionally protect and defend this God? Aren’t God and ego synonymous?
Don’t people behave: My ego is most sacred and unless I am the value, I am the authority or I’m more important to your ego, I won’t like your ego and will be inclined to eliminate your ego (reject your Ego / God) from my world? Isn’t this the prejudicial, discriminatory and biased history of man’s behavior?
Predators and grazers both have egos. Most predators tend to posture in the offense through control and manipulation; while, grazers tend to appear ignorant and defensive. Does not the predatory ego tend to use and abuse others for its own purposes?
Joshua 10:12-14 Joshua told God to make the Sun and Moon stand still. They did.
This is recorded in the Book of Jashar (Apocrypha) God obeyed the voice of a man.
God now takes orders from Joshua to stop the Sun, mid-day, so Joshua can finish God’s murdering. Greece, Egypt and Mesopotamia were history bearing neighbors, at that time, yet, no mention of the miraculous Sun and Moon stopping is elsewhere recorded other than claimed by the Book of Jashar, which obviously did not make the cut for the Bible.
Joshua 10:20-26 The 5 Kings remained alive prisoners of war. Joshua said: Put your foot on their necks. Do not be afraid, be firm. Joshua murdered them, then he hanged the 5 Kings / (P.O.Ws.) on 5 trees.
Doesn’t The Biblical God ever show mercy concerning His Prisoners Of War? Secular laws and rules are more merciful than God’s rules.
Historically, as horrible as it is for the participants, God never ceases to like a good fight that He, Himself, cannot get hurt in.
Joshua 10:28-42 Joshua captured and God slaughtered the cities: Makkedah, Libnam, Lachish, Gezer, Eglon, Hebron, and Debir and murdered every person leaving no survivors, not even their Kings.
The bounty for God’s few “chosen” came at the cost and the misery of many.
Joshua 11:6 God instructs Joshua to hamstring the enemy’s horses.
Mine eyes have just glassed over with disgust, again. Me, an angry writer? Concerning the Biblical God, what’s your first clue?
Joshua 11:10-15 Joshua captured Hazor and slew its King with the sword. He put every person to the sword until none were left alive and burned Hazor. Joshua captured all those Kings with their cities and he fulfilled God’s dooming them by putting every person there to the sword. The Israelites took all the spoils and livestock of these cities as their booty, but the people, they put to the sword, until they had exterminated the last of them, leaving none alive. Joshua left nothing undone that God commanded Moses should be done.
Joshua 11:23 Joshua captured the whole country… And the land enjoyed peace.
Ah, the secret and sacred objective of war: “I want peace on my terms!”
Wars, fights and arguments mostly result when two egos want peace – on their terms.
Joshua 21:43-45 And so, God gave Israel the land He had sworn to their fathers. Not one single promise God made to Israel was broken, every one was fulfilled.
Outright lies! One may overlook or forgive a lie, but it is still a lie.
Joshua 22:8 God ordered: Now that you are returning to your tents with great wealth, livestock, silver, gold; divide the spoils of your enemies with your kinsmen.
Joshua 23:14 Not one of the promises that God made you has remained unfulfilled. Every promise has been fulfilled, with not one single exception.
President Donald Trump often claimed that he fulfilled all of his promises to the American people. Trump was fact-checked to have told 30,529 publicly recorded lies to the American public and to the rest of the planet during his 4-year Presidency. Still, the MAGA Republicans supported him. A high percentage of stupid is stubborn.
Bull! Chronic liars lie only when their lips move or when they pen the Bible.
Adolf Hitler, the most heinous tyrant in history, said that people will believe a big lie before they would believe a small one.
For certain believers, it seems it is better to be a liar than to be wrong. Some believers use the Bible and its God to deceive the world in order to conform the world to their agenda.
Bible-toten Christians all but destroyed the American Indians in the name of God. They made false-promises to make it easier. Catholic Spaniards gave plagued blankets full of diseased lice to eradicate millions of South American Indians, in the name of the one God.
Those who survived, they baptized, converted to Jesus and made slaves until their deaths.
Joshua 24:2 God said: In past times your fathers, even Terah, father of Abraham, served other Gods.
This God was unpopular from the start. Even Abraham’s father, Terah, the idol maker, served other Gods. Do you think that Abraham was popular with his own father, Terah?
Joshua 24:5 Then I, God, sent Moses and Aaron and murdered Egypt.
God confessed to have murdered Egypt.
Joshua 24:7-14 After you witnessed what I did in Egypt, you dwelt in the desert for a long time, I brought you to this land and destroyed it before you. I sent hornets ahead of you and drove them out of your way. It was not your sword or bow. I gave you land that you did not till and cities you did not build. Therefore, fear the Lord, obey, and serve him completely and sincerely.
Can you possibly confuse this murder and theft with love?
I am not a slave. If this God throws a party, I’m not going. (GWD)
Again, suggestions on learning about and debating the Biblical God:
Stay on the topic.
Debate the topic without censure.
Recognize when the debate concentrates on feelings instead of the topic.
Don’t interrupt or alter another’s point.
Question their points with respect.
Answer all the topical questions posed to you that you can.
Stay on a question until all are satisfied it has been answered.
Disagree without denouncing each other as each learns at a different rate of speed.
Never claim authority over the material or over one another.
Keep yourself open to surprise.
Take these questions to your clergy and document what tact he or she takes.
Does he or she get angry at you and your questions?
Does he or she discuss to obtain information or do they stress authority and blind obedience?
Does he or she talk down, make threats and / or demonize you or others?
Does he or she claim ignorance, that no man can know the mind of God?
Does he or she feel that you are insolent to ask and infer you are defying him or her and God?
Does he or she claim that you are Biblically ignorant?
Does he or she tell you to just have faith?
Does he or she dismiss you before your questions are answered?
Does he or she claim the proper interpretations lie in the Greek, Aramaic or Hebrew, inferring, in essence, that the English Bible is really an inferior piece of literature?
Speak in a manner that you wouldn’t easily go back on.
Speak to the quality that you would write as if it were to be documented for all to see.
Are you afraid to take on God, the greatest heavy weight of all time.
If the Biblical God, and His angels, are “supernatural”, aren’t they “alien” to humanity? Would you quit and lay down as a sacrifice if aliens, who could be God’s angels, should attack the earth? Wouldn’t any alien, who knows of this voodoo effect, have a tactical advantage over Earth? Would an American soldier, who is sworn to defend you, have to also fight you because of your loyalty to an alien commander and against humanity?
Brainwashed believers have no capacity to criticize the Bible nor to question its God?
A tyrant feels to rule by fear is to rule completely. A twisted tyrant’s mind promotes fear as love. Tyrants tend to keep people as victims, afraid and helpless, so they can more easily assume control and exploit them.
When a tyrant lashes out at you for exposing Biblical fact, they want vengeance for your exposing their own secret, sacred manipulative feelings. To them, the sinner, (one who doesn’t conform to their agenda) must be ground under for the glory of God. Even “the closet tyrant” is on a crusade to murder “free will”. They claim to do what must be done. They set the stage of fear to rip the souls (free wills) out of those who become “God-fearing” people. Tyrants worship and support tyrants. They worship and support God. Truth is the first causality of religion.
The Rise of Democracy
Ethical Principles of Ancient Greek and Roman traditions
How God-like are the moral / religious principles from the Judeo-Christian Tradition?
Reflect. Do you support democracy or tyranny? How does your answer apply to God? Do you have a vote in what you do or must you follow blindly what someone says is the will of God, the rules of a tyrant? Don’t your feelings mostly determine your behaviors?
A tyrant will not debate with you these controversial chapters and verses of the Bible. He or she will tend to get angry, argue and start preaching to save your soul. Either way, you will find the debate of Biblical chapter and verse to be over as the believer attempts to over-power and control you with fear-based and blackmailing dogma and threats. Tyrants occasionally will tend to schmooze, and soft sell you with heart-felt, personal testimonies depicting virtue.
Perceive:
A debate concentrates on the topic.
An argument concentrates on control.
Authoritative believers tend to take negative issue with these intention deriving perspectives.
I have concluded: There is no God of love within the pages of the Bible. The Biblical God’s laws are the dictates of a tyrant to slaves. Enough already. How can people worship this God, even respect it? Any respect of this God has to be based on fear. This God’s demand of worship appears to be: You will be enthusiastically obedient to Me or I’ll kill you. Obey Me or die! Who is shown to be every life form’s adversary?
The Old Testament God did not invent the threat of Eternal Torment until a new Rabbi introduced it as a new religion that became Christianity. Jesus Christ plagiarized Zoroastrianism to do so.
The O. T. God’s consistent order Obey Me or Die
Everybody appears to be an atheist to somebody. I’m accused to be an atheist because I don’t support the God of the Bible. If there’s a worthy God, I will readily judge its worthiness. I am not a lay-down for a God who proves to be cruel and heartless. Around the world, there must be more than thousands of Gods that people worship.
Maybe there is one god for each ego.
Many have said: Christians, Jews and Muslims worship only one God, rejecting all others. Well, I am just like the Christians, Jews and Muslims; except, I worship just one God less than they do.
Hopes, Faith, Beliefs are:
1. The nonsensical answers that clergy and other scoundrels use for control purposes.
II Samuel 2:14-16 Abner said to Joab: Let the young men perform for us. Joab replied: All right! 12 of Ishbaal’s Benjamites and 12 of David’s servants squared off. Then each one grasped his opponent’s head and thrust his sword into his opponent’s side and they all fell down together.
Now that what I call entertainment. Joab, King David’s General, has this kind of mentality. Oh – my – Gawd!
II Samuel 3:1-37 Joab came back from murdering, bringing much plunder. He asked David: Why did you let Abner go? He was here to deceive you. Without David’s knowledge, Joab sent for Abner, privately took him aside and murdered him, in vengeance (for killing his brother in self-defense.) David declared: Before God, I and my Kingdom are forever innocent. Joab is responsible. May Joab’s family never be without suffering a discharge, or a leper, or of being unmanly, or of falling on the sword or of starving.
Death of Absalom
II Samuel 11:1 David sent out Joab and the army and they ravaged Ammon.
II Samuel 11 David told Joab to send Uriah in so Uriah can have sex with his wife, Bathsheba, and think the child to be his. Uriah won’t have sex with his wife while his troops suffer in battle. David sends Uriah back into battle with a letter telling Joab to put him in a killing zone so that he will die. Uriah does die.
Wasn’t Uriah Joab’s personal armor bearer?
II Samuel 18 The King commanded Joab and for all to know: Be gentle with young Absalom, my son, for my sake. Absalom’s mule passed under branches which his hair got caught in and he hung there (alive). Someone saw him there and reported it to Joab. Joab asked: Why didn’t you kill him? I would have given you 50 pieces of silver. The man replied to Joab: If I had 1,000 pieces of silver, I would not harm the King’s son as he told you to protect his son for his sake. Joab replied: I will not waste time with you and taking 3 darts in hand thrust for the heart of Absalom still hanging from the tree, alive. Next, 10 of Joab’s men killed Absalom with further blows.
II Samuel 19 David cried for Absalom. Joab said: You have put all your servants to shame today by loving those who hate you.
David Cried for Absalom
II Samuel 20:9-10 Joab asked Amasa: How are you my brother? With his right hand Joab held Amasa’s beard as if to kiss him and with his other hand stabbed him so that his guts burst out on the ground.
Isn’t Joab the absolute model for all your sons?
Solomon had Joab murdered. Can you define Judeo-Christian ethics? Which of God’s heroes abided by them?
Does Jesus condone revenge? If you do not accept Jesus Christ, is it acceptable to Jesus that you to suffer “Eternal Torment” in Hell? Ergo, does Jesus Christ enjoy sweet revenge?
Luke 1:33 Jesus will rule over the house of Jacob, forever. KJV
Forever?
C. Dennis McKinsey asked: Historically, when did Jesus ever rule over the Jews?
The Jews, as a religion, have always rejected Jesus Christ as their savior or as God.
Would the Jewish religion consider it a sin for Jesus to demand ruling over them?
Would Islam consider it a sin for Jesus to demand ruling over them?
Would an Atheist consider it a sin for Jesus to demand ruling over him or her?
Mark 2:18-20 Jesus went against the Old Testament God’s rules on fasting. Catholic
Matthew 5:32 Jesus went against God’s rules on divorce.
Btw, did you know that God, Himself, is a divorcee – as documented by C&V?
Jeremiah 3:8 For all the adulteries rebellious Israel committed, I (God) put her (Israel) away and gave her a bill of divorce… (Catholic)
A Bill Of Divorce Makes God A Divorcee
God gave Israel a “bill of divorce” – which makes the Biblical God a divorcee. Shocking – isn’t it!
We have been lied to so much about God.
Mark 4:11-12 Jesus said to them, to you it is given to know the mystery of the kingdom of God; but to outsiders, all these things are done in parables: That they may see, and not perceive; and they may hear, and not understand; lest at any time they should be converted, and their sins should be forgiven them.
Jesus wants outside people to not understand, not be converted, and not to be forgiven? Jesus Christ wants outside people not to be saved. Could anyone you know consider that to be a sin?
Matthew 9:18-25 While Jesus spoke, there came a certain ruler who worshipped him, saying, my daughter is dead, but come and lay thy hand upon her, and she shall live. Jesus said the maid is not dead, but sleeping. They laughed at him. Jesus went in, took her by the hand, and the maid arose.
Jesus Said She Was Sleeping
C. Dennis McKinsey: “If the ruler’s daughter was dead, then, Jesus lied. If she was not dead, then Jesus performed no miracle.”
Matthew 10:5-6 Jesus said: Go not into the way of the pagan (Catholic) gentiles (KJV), but go rather to the lost sheep of the house of Israel.
What? Jesus loves Jews more than others? Isn’t prejudice, discrimination, sexism, racism and inequality a sin?
Matthew 11:19 Jesus came eating and drinking. They said: Look, He is a glutton and a drunkard…
Yummy!
Jesus hereby has a published Biblical reputation of being a “drunkard”. Alcohol Anonymous ought to love that. Is Jesus’ being Biblically documented to be a glutton and a drunkard a sin? Is the sin the Biblical documentation or Jesus’ drinking?
Mark 7:15 Jesus altered or ignored God’s dietary laws.
If anyone else changed God’s rules and laws – would they be guilty of sin? If Jesus is God – then God does change – as documented C&V.
John 5:8-11 & Luke 13:10-16 Jesus went against God’s rules concerning the Sabbath.
Isn’t going against God’s rules is a sin?
John 8:4-11 Jesus went against God’s rules on adultery.
Jesus went Against God’s Rules on Adultery?
John 9:1-3 Jesus saw a man who was blind since birth. Jesus’ disciples asked: Master, who did sin, this man, or his parents, that he was born blind? Jesus answered: Neither has this man nor his parents sinned. This man is blind so that the works of God can take place.
Jesus said here that that neither the blind man nor his parents sinned. Jesus’ statement counters the claim that all are born sinners.
John 9:16 Pharisees claimed that Jesus was not God and that Jesus was a sinner because Jesus cured a blind man on the Sabbath.
Jesus could have obeyed the Sabbath commandment and cured the blind man on another day – but Jesus chose to break God’s law. Isn’t breaking God’s law a sin no matter who does it?
John 9:31 God does not hear sinners.
If we are all born sinners, then, God does not hear us. If you believe that you are a sinner and you also believe this Bible C&V, why pray?
Matthew 12:40 Jesus said: I will be three days and three nights in the heart of the Earth.
From Good Friday Afternoon to Easter Sunday Morning is 3 Days & 3 Nights?
Was Jesus actually put in the heart of the Earth? How can “Good Friday” afternoon to before sunrise “Easter Sunday” morning qualify for 3 days and 3 nights? Could Jesus’ words be a sinful, lying deception? Or, was Jesus just wrong, incorrect, in error?
Matthew 15:2-17 & Luke 11:37-38 Jesus went against the washing of hands before dining.
If “the washing of hands before dining” was God’s rule – and Jesus is documented to have gone against it – Jesus sinned.
Luke 9:62 Jesus said: No one who looks to what was left behind is fit for The Kingdom of God.
Lot’s Wife Didn’t Make It to The Kingdom Of God?
Isn’t this like the story where Lot’s wife looks behind and turns into a “pillar-of-salt”? God killed her for doing that. Do you think the punishment fit the crime? Did Jesus condone God’s revenge for Lot’s wife looking back? Was Jesus the Old Testament God who did all the documented, murderous revenge in the Bible?
Luke 19:27 Jesus said: But My enemies, who would not have Me reign over them, bring them before Me and slay them.
Would Jesus declare people enemies for not following Him; then with vengeance, have them murdered? This theme does parallel the vengeful “judgment day” scenario whereby, if you don’t make the cut by obeying God completely and accepting Jesus Christ as your Savior, you will spend eternity in torment. I view that Jesus made a vengeful, sinful, murderous command. I do not want a tyrant like that ruling over me – or anyone else.
Some refuse to be party to the facts. Some make up their own truth, then commit to their own truth as gospel.
Would you ever consider providing “Eternal Torment” for your pet after it died? What kind of a God is Jesus Christ? What a sad and heinous model Jesus Christ is proving to be. What a pillar of insanity the salvation myth is. Luke 19:27 is the prime C&V that proved to me that Jesus Christ was out in my value system. GWD
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There is no mention of “Eternal Torment” or “Salvation” from Hell in the Old Testament. There is God condoned slavery, genocide, child-mutilation, murder, deception, land theft and war – but there is no Hell of eternal consequence. If Jesus Christ is the insane, murderous God or the Old Testament – Jesus sinned.
Eternal Torment is a New Testament Idea
Eternal Torment
In the New Testament it was Jesus Christ who brought Hell to Humanity. Jesus Christ introduced punishment and “Eternal Torment” for the dead. Thanks Jesus. And believers insist that you are not the evil one. With Hell, Jesus Christ could not be “The Savior”. To see where Jesus got the concept of a religious Hell click on: Zoroastrianism
Revelation 2:23 Jesus (The Son of Man) said: I will also kill her children… KJV
Would Jesus murder children too? How can I believe Jesus would do such a thing? Jesus is definitely OUT!
Luke 19:27 & Revelation 2:23 Both sound like the cruel, tyrannical Old Testament God.
Critic: Everything you take issue with was written spiritually, metaphorically.
What’s your point? Would you be content if your daughter gets married only spiritually, metaphorically?
I Corinthians 6:12 Paul said: All things are lawful for me; I will not be brought under the power of any. KJV
Is Jesus inspired Paul claiming to be above the law here? Could I Corinthians 6:12 be prime terrorist, anarchist and prison training?
Mark 10:18 Jesus said: Why do you call Me good. No one is good but God alone.
Is Jesus declaring that He is not perfect or good; that, He does sin and that He is not God? Doesn’t the character of John’s Jesus seem much different than those of the other Gospel writers?
John’s Jesus is certainly not humble or meek. John seems to put a lot of emphasis on love, feelings, attachment, commitment and pleasuring God. Both Jesus and John sound to be men in love – with each other – wanting everyone to know of their love. Doesn’t John seem to emphasize relationships of eating bodies, drinking blood, and (sorry) male to male intimacy?
Matthew 12:30 “Whoever is not with me is against me, and whoever does not gather with me scatters.”
Jesus has caused constant division and war with these words. Christians and Muslims practice Jesus’ words.
Ethan Allen: That Jesus Christ was not God is evidence in His Own words, which I never disputed. Being conscious, I am no Christian.
Thank you, Ethan Allen! You voiced my sentiments long before I was born and learned about Jesus Christ.
Luke 10:19-20 Jesus said: I have given you the power to tread on serpents and scorpions and upon the full force of the enemy and nothing will hurt you.
Rejoice, because your names are written in Heaven.
Step on Scorpions?
Mark 16:17-18 Jesus said: They shall take up serpents; and if they drink any deadly thing, it shall not hurt them; they shall lay hands on the sink, and they shall recover.
Pick Up Serpents?
If your child believed Jesus and picked up a deadly serpent and was killed – would you then consider Jesus to be sinful? If you publicly promoted this C&V to people and some acted on your words and died, wouldn’t you go to prison? Jesus Christ proves not to be a good model for humanity.
An actual Military Plaque on an Army 1st Sergeant’s Desk
Join the Army!
Visit far off & distant lands!
Meet exciting a unusual peopleand kill them!
Mark 10:25 Jesus said: It is easier for a camel to pass through the eye of a needle than for one who is rich to enter the Kingdom of Heaven.
“So, son, don’t you dare go out there and earn that raise!”
Do some Christians believe this? Could Jesus’ words influence the homeless?
A Bible contradiction: Ecclesiastes 10:19 Money answers all things…
Mark 2:23 And it came to pass, that he went through the corn fields ON THE SABBATH DAY; and his disciples began, as they went, to pluck the ears of corn.
What? Jesus allowed WORK on the Sabbath?
Mark 10:26-27 Who can be saved? Jesus said: For human-beings, it is impossible…
According to this verse, a human-being really can do absolutely nothing to be saved? If that be the case, what is all this salvation nonsense about?
How Is Eternal Salvation Sensible?
When your children do harmful things while not using logic, reason and common sense, do you tend to parent, criticize, discipline and correct them?
Won’t faith create enough of a sense of self-responsibility within them. Did parental faith hold up for those offspring who were found guilty of murder, theft, rape or any number of consequential acts?
Mark 16:15 Preach the gospel to every creature…
Is salvation also for non-humans? Don’t some pastors say there are animals in Heaven?
Jesus / God said: I am in control and I know everything. But, I am bored and I need constant entertainment. So, I created a man and woman with “original sin”. Then, I knocked-up Mary, my mother, so that I could be born. Once alive, I arranged to kill Myself as a sacrifice to Myself – to save you from the sin I originally condemned you to.
Are the answers to these questions the facts?
Who said: I judge no man?
Who said: I do not accept testimony from a human being?
Who said: If your right eye causes you to sin, tear it out, throw it away?
Who said: If I bear witness of myself, My witness is not true?
Who was accused of being a glutton and a drunkard?
Who said: I do not accept human praise?
Who said: I will not accuse you. Moses will?
Who couldn’t do many miracles in His homeland due to their lack of faith?
Who said: Don’t worry about your life, body or about tomorrow?
Who said: No one can come to Me unless Who draws him?
Who declared all foods to be clean?
Who went against God’s rules on fasting?
Who went against the rules on divorce?
Who altered or ignored God’s dietary laws?
Who went against God’s rules concerning the Sabbath?
Who went against God’s rules on adultery?
Who went against the washing of hands before dining?
Who said: Slay My enemies who would not have Me reign over them?
Who said: I will also put her children to death?
Who said: Why do you call Me good? No one is good but God alone.
Who said: Who can be saved? For human beings it is impossible?
Christian believer: I am right! You are wrong. I can’t hear you! La La La La La…..
John 10:26-28 Jesus said: You do not believe because you are not among My sheep. My sheep hear My voice; I know them and they follow Me. I give them eternal life and they shall never perish. No one can take them out of My hand. Catholic
What is God’s elect? God and Jesus both know “The Elect” because They chose Their Elect before the Earth was formed? No one can take the elect out of Jesus’ hand? The elect have a free ride by grace? Why didn’t the Jews believe this? Why am I so skeptical?
Luke 22:36 Jesus said: He that has no sword, let him sell his garment and buy one.
Jesus Said to Sell Your Clothes and to Buy a Sword?
Matthew 10:34-35 Jesus said: I came not to send peace but the sword, man against father, daughter against mother. KJV
Matthew 26:52 Jesus said: Put up the sword, all who take the sword shall perish by the sword.
Aren’t Jesus’ messages about swords inconsistent and contradictory here?
Ezekiel 21:05 God said: All know that I, The Lord, have drawn my sword; it shall not be returned any more.
Leviticus 26:25 And I (God) will bring a sword upon you…
Godly-gee! What is to be understood here?
Matthew 11:6 Jesus said: Blessed is the one who takes no offense at Me.
Christian conversion competes for mastery over the bodies and minds of all members of the human race. I now encourage one to be the master over his or her own body and mind and allow others to be the masters over their own bodies and minds. That concept does, however, disrupt the manipulative sanctity of some marriages and employment. GWD
The family that prays together – brainwashes their children.
Blasphemy is a victimless crime.
Matthew 19:16-18 One asked Jesus: Good Master, what good thing shall I do, that I may have eternal life? Jesus said: Why callest thou me good? There is none good but one, that is, God…
Jesus admits here He is not God – and that He, Jesus Christ is not good.
Matthew 19:19 Jesus said: Honor thy father and thy mother…
John 2:4 Jesus said to His mother: Woman, what have I to do with thee?
Shame on you Jesus! Those are disrespectful words to say to your mother. Jesus Christ dishonored His mother – while telling others to honor theirs.
John 10:37-39 Jesus said: If I do not perform God’s works, do not believe Me, but, if I do perform them, even if you don’t believe Me, believe the works that you may realize that God is in Me and I am in God. They, again, tried to get Jesus but He escaped.
Why did the Jews not believe in their living God, Jesus?
No one has jurisdiction over facts
Some claim we have no rights concerning God, that we are just to obey. Some actually presume to know the mind of God. Some often tell you to obey what will turn out to be mostly their own will.
Faith is like an addictive drug that promotes a feeling. Some want, expect and demand everyone else to buy into and support their feeling – so to feel like them, or else. It, like a drug, changes lives. Faith steals life from some so to, by virtue, give it back to a wrathful God. Faith tactics have served as primitive civilizing methods to control fearful believers during times when there were limited, corrupt or just no law-enforcement.
Paradoxically, some people cheat. They don’t like the personal restrictions of the very laws they expect and insist that others obey. People rarely trust or have faith that law-enforcement would be carried out except when they themselves are guilty and caught.
Others righteously feel and believe they are above the law; that they are promised unmerited-gifts and privileged to assumed-entitlements. Is faith but a hope for luck?
Some state: I don’t care what you say, I don’t care what the Bible says, I don’t care what evidence exists, I will not change my mind. I only have hope, faith and I believe! I can’t explain it.
People, who promote hope, faith, belief and love, are often promoting commitments. Sometimes, when we commit to something, it becomes, for us, a form of slavery. Often, if we commit to others, they become our masters. We become their slaves.
It seems that most people lie. Today, the law doesn’t seem to honor many commitments that aren’t witnessed in writing. One must be careful as to what one says because many, who are honest, feel that one is only as good as one’s word. I feel that way. GWD
Is it one’s lack of commitment (love, faith, belief) that frustrates the parasites of life?
Matthew 25:41 Jesus said to them on His left: Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the Devil and his Angels.
Jesus Ordered People into Everlasting Fire?
Do we have the courage or desire to seek the facts regardless of where they might lead us? Can we clear our minds of all the old programmed prejudice and propaganda? Can we focus on what we see to be evident in our own Bibles? This agenda is to expose C&V facts.
Jesus said: Do not resist evil.
Obeying this – you would never defend the attack of yourself or your child.
Obeying this – you would forgive Adolf Hitler for his heinous, murderous crimes.
Obeying this – you would forgive George W. Bush for attacking, killing and injuring a million Iraqis.
Obeying this – you would forgive the Biblical God for all of His murderous crimes documented by Bible C&V.
Who are you – to forgive the criminal – further victimizing the victim(s)?
Forgiveness can only be given by the victim – not by you or anyone else.
Jesus commanded that you love nothing more than Him.
If you do not love Jesus Christ / God more than anyone and anything else – He will send you into Eternal Torment.
If you don’t live as Jesus Christ demands – Jesus will send you into Eternal Torment.
Jesus was a “World-Terrorist” who terrified all who would believe that they would be punished beyond the grave for not totally loving, believing in and obeying Him.
Jesus commanded that you love your neighbor like yourself.
Rodney Dangerfield asked: What am I supposed to do – jerk him off too?
(Rodney asked it – I didn’t.)
Do you view that every person you know equally deserves your love?
Jesus blamed demons for illness – not infectious micro-organisms. Jesus gave humanity placebo voodoo cures instead of effective antibiotics.
Jesus did not sacrifice His life because Jesus knew that He would continue to live. If Jesus continued to live, Jesus did not die – so, what was sacrificed?
Decisions made concerning these facts are the responsibility of those who know the facts.
Behavioral Perspectives: Committed believers usually try to stop anyone who’d dare to debate their Bible and their God. Some tend to get highly emotional when addressing the topic.
They typically assume to be the authority over the topic while insisting their logic is “spiritual” and their bottom-line answer to almost every controversy is “faith”.
Thinkers, on the other hand, don’t tend to deny the facts. They tend to alter a presentation to a format or style more to their liking (like poetry / myth). Although some facts may be new to them, thinkers often develop attitudes that demands those facts be presented their way – or not be presented at all. Thinkers are not doers. Most rarely debate Biblical topics to any length due to their fear of any inconvenience the debate may create.
For a successful debate:
Remember to stay focused on the topic.
Remember that I am NOT the authority.
Remember that you are NOT the authority.
Remember that the Bible C&V facts ARE the authority.
What one Catholic or Baptist do you know has yet to see The God Murders website?
Gary DeVaney YouTube videos:
Who would fantasize to see “The God Murders” website?
Did the Bible ever emphasize Jesus loving His brothers or sisters; His father, or mother; any woman for that matter? Many times the Bible did say there was a disciple, whom Jesus loved. Can you explain what that was about?
In your value system, is Jesus Christ and God “right and good” about what is “right and good” for Human Beings?
Matthew 5:39 Jesus said: Resist not evil…
Would you trust someone, maybe a baby-sitter, who would not resist evil? Wouldn’t you personally prefer someone close to you and your family to resist evil as much as he or she could? Is not resisting evil right and good for Human Beings?
Matthew 10:35-36 Jesus said: I have come to set a man against his father, a daughter against her mother…and one’s enemies will be those of his household.
What? How is Jesus’ C&V model designed to be better for Human Beings? Isn’t Jesus supposed to be our loving, righteous, wholesome family model? My sensitivities can not support Jesus if this is His “attitude” (outer signs of inner feelings).
Matthew 10:37 Jesus said: Whoever loves his father, mother, son or daughter more than Me is not worthy of Me.
Do not love your Father, Mother, Son & Daughter more than Jesus?
Haven’t arrogant, egocentric, possessive and jealous prisoners on death-row murdered in the name of what they perceived to be love? Where could these attitudes have originated? I think Jesus’ attitude is wrong for Humanity.
Luke 12:49-54 Jesus said: I have come to set the Earth on fire, and how I wish it were already blazing. How great is My anguish until it is accomplished! Do you think that I have come to establish peace on the Earth? No, rather division; father against son, mother against daughter + + +. Catholic
Jesus Came To Set The Earth On Fire?
Satan could not have said this better.
Was Jesus Christ the love-model for the Crusades, the Inquisition, Hitler, George W. Bush and some of the other tyrants throughout history who waged wars on innocent countries? If Satan said these things, we could validate any anger towards him. Didn’t Jesus say them? Also, is one who wishes really in control? Jesus does not get my vote.
Mark 13:12 Jesus said: Brother will hand over brother to death, and the father his child; children will raise up against their parents and put them to death.
Children will raise up against their parents and put them to death?
Again, if Jesus wants this – I am not on His side.
Luke 14:26 Jesus said: If anyone comes to Me without hating his father, mother, wife and children, brothers and sisters and even his own life, he can not be My disciple.
Sniff… I am starting to feel really sad.
It is evident that believers have gone from deception to denial and now they are in delusion to worship, promote, support and finance such a character as Jesus Christ.
Do some religions have an ill effect on mental-health?
Luke 21:16-17 Jesus said: You will be handed over by parents, brothers, relatives and friends and they will put some of you to death.
Matthew 23:9 Jesus said: Call no one on Earth your father…
Why are Catholic priests called “father”? Doesn’t that defy what Jesus said in Mathew 23:9?
Matthew 11:19 & Luke 7:34 The Son of Man (Jesus Christ) came eating and drinking, and you say, ‘Here is a glutton and a drunkard…
Isaiah 5:22-23 Woe unto them that are mighty to drink wine…
John 2:1-11 Jesus provided wine and promoted the drinking of wine when He turned water into wine.
How does Alcohol Anonymous deal with these “sacred” Bible C&Vs?
Proverbs 23:21 For drunkards and gluttons become poor, and drowsiness clothes them in rags.
How do these Bible C&Vs affect Jesus Christ’s status and reputation when the Bible documents that Jesus promoted the drinking of wine and was accused of being “a drunkard and a glutton”?
John 2:3-4 When the wine ran short, the mother of Jesus said to Him: They have no wine. Jesus said to His mother: Woman, how does your concern affect Me? Catholic
Jesus Christ said: Woman, how does your concern affect Me – to His Mother?
Catholic BN: A Hebrew expression of hostility – a denial of common interest. This Catholic Bible Note actually criticized Jesus’ comment.
Jesus’ narcissism and arrogance loses me. But it shows that Jesus talks the talk and walks the walk when it comes to not loving His father, mother, brothers and sisters more than He loves Himself.
Matthew 12:46-49 Someone told Jesus: Your mother and brothers are outside asking to speak to You. Jesus replied: Who is My mother? Who are My brothers?
Jesus Asked:Who is My Mother?Who are My brothers?
Jesus doesn’t acknowledge His family. Jesus rejects them. What a sad example of Jesus Christ’s family values. In Luke 2:50 Jesus, at age 12, disappeared from His parents for 3 days with no apology.
Matthew 15:4 Jesus said: Honor thy father and thy mother.
Although nice, this documented statement does contradict some of Jesus’ family values. Does Jesus tell you: Do as I say – not as I do?
Mark 16:18 Jesus said: They shall pick up serpents with their hands, if they drink any deadly thing, it will not harm them. KJV / Catholic
Jesus Said: They Will Pick Up Serpents, drink poison and not die?
Many “faithful” Christians have died due to this specific Bible C&V. Would you honestly want your impressionable, trusting kids to read and believe this C&V and then to prove their faith by actually picking up serpents with their hands or drinking deadly poison?
Please! Please! Please! Do not do the snake and poison thing at home or anywhere else! Do you honestly support and promote every C&V in the Bible? How can you promote and support Jesus Christ if He tells you to “in His name” do these things?
Luke 1:33 Jesus will rule over the house of Jacob (the Jews?) forever.
C. Dennis McKinsey: When did Jesus ever rule over the house of Jacob, the Jews?
I Corinthians 11:3 The head of every man is Christ, the husband is the head of his wife.
Because Jesus will rule over the Jews, does that mean – the head of every Jewish man is Christ? The Jews have never accepted Jesus Christ as God nor their savior. Neither have the Muslims.
Also, the husband is the head of his wife shows that Jesus opposes the equality of men and women.
I Corinthians 11:8-9 Man did not come from woman, but woman from man; nor was man created for woman, but woman for man.
Ladies, did you know that this model of inequality is Biblical?
Woman Was Created For Man?
Matthew 19:17 Jesus said: Why callest thou me good, there is none good but one, that is God.
Dennis McKinsey: This comment not only proves Jesus is not God or God’s equivalent, proven by his own words no less, but proves he is not perfect, again by his own words. Therefore, Jesus could not be God because God by definition is perfect.
Jesus also admits that He, Jesus, is not good.
Matthew 11:12-14 Jesus said: John the Baptist is Elijah Catholic / Elias KJV
John 1:21 John the Baptist said he was not Elijah, Catholic / Elias, KJV.
John the Baptist says one thing – Jesus claims the opposite. One of them lied.
Matthew 19:12 Jesus said: Some are incapable of marriage because they are born so.
Why? Is it because they are gay? Jesus never married. There was a disciple in John 21:20 whom Jesus loved. Hummm…
Proverbs 12:22 Lying lips are an abomination to the Lord.
No wonder God planned & carried out the crucifixion of Jesus Christ.
Robert Ingersoll: If a man would follow, today, the teachings of the Old Testament, he would be a criminal. If he would strictly follow the teachings of the New Testament, he would be insane.
Please keep in mind, I did not write the Bible. I just read it, took notes and shared them on The God Murders / thegodmurders.com website.
Psalm 146:3 Put not your trust in the son of man in whom there is no help.
Jesus Christ is called “the son of man”. Psalm 146:3 doesn’t like Him.
Job 25:6 How much less man, that is a maggot and the son of man, which is a worm?
Jesus Christ is called “The Son of Man”. The book of Job documents: The Son of Man is a worm?
If Jesus Christ is not the son of Joseph, a man, why is Jesus called the “Son of Man”?
Some say that because Jesus came through Adam, He is called: The Son of man.
John 11:25-26 Jesus said: I am the resurrection and the life; whoever believes in Me, even if he dies, will live, and everyone who lives and believes in Me will never die. Do you believe this?
Wow! Jesus has doubt and actually asks you if you believe His words. My answer is “no, I don’t believe Jesus”. Upon reflection, I view that my values are better & less harmful to Humanity than Jesus Christ’s.
Why can’t human egos handle the idea of expiration, death and non-existence? Doesn’t almost every Christian and Muslim ego argue for and insist on everlasting life? Isn’t it mostly due to the fear of “Eternal Torment” if you don’t obey what they demand of you?
Matthew 11:28 Jesus said: For I am meek and humble of heart; My yoke is easy and My burden light.
Jesus considers His “yoke” to be easy – but – if you fail to fulfill Jesus’ yoke of burden, you will sizzle in Hell for eternity. Isn’t it interesting that Jesus would consider that to be a “light” burden?
Matthew 6:25 Jesus said: Do not worry about your life…
John 11:53-54 They planned to kill Him. Jesus no longer walked about in public among the Jews.
Did Jesus fear and worry about His life? Or, had Jesus pre-planned His assisted suicide?
Luke 12:7 Jesus said: Even the hairs on your head have been counted (by God.)
Yet, didn’t this same God order a census by Moses and by David to get a count of soldiers?
John 12:8 Jesus said: You always have the poor with you, but you do not always have Me.
Jesus, with your documented, insane family values, why do we need you?
The Old Testament God threatened: If you don’t obey Me, I will kill you. Jesus threatened: If you don’t obey God and Me, you will suffer Eternal-Torment. And the fearful believer says: Thank you, Jesus!
Luke 12:14 Jesus said: Friend, who appointed Me as your judge and arbitrator? Catholic / KJV
So, is Jesus inferring here that He is not our judge? What does this mean?
Symptomatically, when debating the Bible, some can not or will not stay on chapter and verse topic. Some tend to explain things with unrelated, irrelevant, and feel-good idealism or they will preach, by intimidation, to soul-save. Some, when they are at a complete loss, tend to fall back on faith, which often comes across to others as non-sense. For the finale, their departing shot usually consists of a voodoo-type curse or warning. Insults and curses are sometimes used by those with the weaker debating skills.
John 12:24-26 Jesus said these things:
1. If a grain of wheat dies, it produces much fruit.
C. Dennis McKinsey: When a seed or a sperm dies, it does not produce its potential fruit.
2. Whoever loves his life loses it. Apparently, self-esteem, is not in the salvation equation.
3. Whoever hates his life will preserve it for eternal life.
If you hate your life, would you want something you hated preserved for eternity?
4. God will honor whoever serves Me.
Has any tyrant ever used this sacred phrase?
Matthew 12:30 Jesus said: Whoever is not with Me is against Me.
Hummm… Doesn’t this sound like President George W. Bush?
Matthew 12:31-32 Every sin and blasphemy will be forgiven, even speaking against “The Son of Man (Jesus Christ) will be forgiven, but whoever speaks against the Holy Spirit will not be forgiven. KJV / Catholic
Doesn’t Jesus state here that forgiveness is conditional?
John 12:31-32 Jesus said: The ruler of this world will be driven out. When I am lifted up from the Earth, I will draw everyone to Myself.
How could this be accurate? Hasn’t Jesus already been “lifted up” and everyone is not “up” there. Normally, doesn’t “when” mean “at the time”?
Luke 12:33 Jesus said: Sell what you have and give alms… KJV
Genesis 14:18-20Abraham Pays 10% Tithes to Melchizedek.
Why have many people, who live on the streets of the world’s major cities, given away everything and become wards of the state? Could Jesus have possibly influenced them?
John 12:35-37 Jesus said: The light will be among you only a little while. Whoever walks in the dark does not know where he is going. After Jesus talked, He hid from them. They did not believe Him.
Did Jesus Fear for His life / His Body?
Jesus’ “Close” Jewish Family?
Jesus Christ was born into a Jewish family. Right? Where was there any traditional Jewish closeness and caring by Jesus’ grandparents for Jesus – especially the grandmothers? Wasn’t their caring and their attention strangely absent concerning Jesus’ life? Jesus’ family certainly was not a close and supporting family model, by Jewish standards, was it? Did they privately disown Mary for being pregnant out of wedlock? Jesus never did anything notable that seemed to particularly care for His family in your Bible. Did Jesus?
Jesus had no documented connection with His cousin, John-the-Baptist or his family, for 30 years, did Jesus? They acted like strangers when John baptized Jesus.
Jesus’ participation seemed to stop with His “step- father”, Joseph, at the age of 12.
Mark 3:21 Jesus’ family thought Jesus was out of His mind.
After many years living with Jesus, His family thought Jesus was crazy?
Questions some may ask themselves:
1. Do I totally believe all that the Bible says about Jesus?
2. Have I verified any of these chapters and verses in my Bible?
3. Is there any reason for me to feel differently now about the Bible than I did before?
4. Are my feelings based on fear and faith or facts and knowledge?
5. Do I truly know right from wrong, good from bad regardless of the players?
6. Could worship be a concept of slave-mentality?
7. Do some, who promote worship, also harbor fantasies of being worshipped?
8. Do some fear if these facts were known, their faith would fall apart.
Personally, I don’t care to have faith and to believe. Like Carl Sagan, I personally prefer to know. GWD
This next passage is probably the biggest reason why some stay away from and fear taking notes on the Bible:
Revelation: 22:18-19 I warn everyone who hears the words of the prophecy of this book. If anyone adds to them, God will add to him the plagues described in this book, and if anyone takes away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God will take away his share of the tree of life.
This was probably taken from Deuteronomy 4:2: God said: Do not add or diminish what I command you.
Do you think this is like a voodoo warning?
John 12:47-48 Jesus said: If anyone hears My words and does not observe them, I do not condemn him, for I did not come to condemn the world but to save the world.
Let’s review Luke 12:49 & 51:
Luke 12:49 Jesus said: I have come to set the Earth on fire, and how I wish it were already blazing.
Jesus said: I have come to set the Earth on fire?
Confusion is many things, one is a time of growing; another, a time of learning.
Luke 12:51 Jesus said: Do you think I have come to establish peace on The Earth? No, I tell you, but rather division.
The Secret of Religion
President Donald J. Trump has become the United States greatest divider of all time. Surprisingly, it is the evangelicals who worship, support, promote and finance Donald J. Trump more than they worship, support, promote and finance Jesus Christ. Religion is the worship of authority. A fictitious, imaginary God is programmed to be the Human Being’s authority. When a believer is in passionate practice of worshipping a false authority, an assumed authority can more easily step in and receive the power of becoming the believer’s authority. That is why Governments promote no taxes for religions so that religions can succeed under their domain. Governments love believers who follow, obey and worship authority. Governments, and other authoritarians, resent Atheists because they are afraid that they have no power over them.
Revelation 3:11 Jesus said: Behold, I come quickly. KJV
After 2,000 years? What does Webster’s say quickly means.
When questioned about the Bible, some believers prove to know nothing. If you debate something specific in the Bible, they change the subject, threaten that you are going to Hell, and they depart.
John 13:15-18 Jesus said: I have given you a model to follow (Noted). No slave is greater than his master. I’m not speaking to all of you. I know those whom I have chosen.
Does Jesus model a concept of Master / Slavery? Some authoritative preachers claim that they are slaves of Christ and that you had better be humble, obedient and worshipful too. Most of all – Give Money!
Matthew 13:49-50 Jesus said: The Angels will separate the wicked from the righteous and throw them into a fiery furnace where there will be wailing and grinding of teeth.
It’s God’s Angels who toss us into Hell?
Haven’t terrorists used God as an excuse for their heinous crimes? Have victors thanked God after killing their enemy? When someone orders us to “have faith” are we expected to ignore any emotional response and just shut-up concerning any questions or criticism?
Luke 14:33 Jesus said: Everyone who does not renounce all his possessions (Catholic) / forsake all that he has (KJV) cannot be My disciple.
Mark 2:15 While Jesus was at meal in His house… KJV
What? His means possession! Jesus owned a house?
Matthew 19:21 Jesus said to the rich man: Sell all that you own and give it to the poor. You will have treasure in Heaven.
Didn’t Jesus tell the rich man to sell all he owned and give to the poor?
Televangelist Kenneth Copeland Net Worth: $760 Million.
TelevangelistPat Robertson Net Worth: $100 million.
TelevangelistJoel Osteen Net Worth: $100 Million.
Do as I say – not as I do? Can you spell h-y-p-o-c-r-i-s-y?
Matthew 15:22-28 A Canaanite woman asked Jesus to heal her daughter. Jesus ignored her. His disciples asked Jesus to send her away. Jesus replied that He was only sent to the lost sheep of Israel (The Jews?) Jesus then said: It is not right to take the food of the children and throw it to the dogs. She appealed to Jesus: Please Lord, even the dogs eat the scraps that fall from their master’s table. Jesus healed her daughter.
Jesus Healed Her Daughter
What? Did Jesus, in Matthew 15:26-27, refer to this woman and her poor, sick daughter as “dogs”? Jesus rejected the woman because she wasn’t an Israelite / Hebrew / Jewish. Then, after the woman groveled like a dog, Jesus healed her daughter. Does this documented model of Jesus require all, or at least some of us, to beg Him to save us like groveling, begging dogs?
What defines the characteristics of a name-calling racist?
Weren’t Jesus’ initial comments to her those of a stubborn, name-calling racist? How did Jesus respond to the woman before she outright begged Him? Are there self-admitted Christians who are stubborn, name-calling racists? Does this Jesus model inspire Christian racism? I’ll bet that today if Don Imus or any on-camera politician said that to a poor woman and her sick daughter, they would be publicly condemned to be a name-calling racists.
Luke 16:15 Jesus said: What is of human-esteem is an abomination in the sight of God.
What would mental-health experts say about Jesus’ views of Human self-esteem?
Mark 16:18 Jesus said: If you handle deadly serpents and drink deadly poison, you won’t be harmed.
Some controversial Bible models deserve a little redundancy.
In 1982, at the beginning of this research, I asked myself: What should I do when I read something controversial, especially about something I admit I know little about? Often the more I read and understood concerning these chapters and verses, the angrier I got. I can’t blame others for getting angry. Although I stuck with it, I often felt sad that the Bible and its God was the way it was.
Matthew 16:22-23 Then Peter took Jesus aside and began to rebuke Him. Jesus turned and said to Peter: Get behind Me Satan! You are an obstacle to Me.
Webster’s: To rebuke: To address in sharp and severe disapproval; to reprimand.
Peter rebuked Jesus? Didn’t Peter become the cornerstone of the Catholic Church?
Matthew 16:28 Jesus said: There are some standing here who will not taste of death until they see The Son of Man coming in His Own Kingdom.
Are the people Jesus addressed still alive today? Please explain!
Believer: Time-Travel?
Perspective: Even Jesus Christ (MAN’S SAVIOR) could NOT / can NOT / has NOT time-traveled to date.
Evidence? If Jesus Christ (MAN’S SAVIOR) could time-travel, then, Jesus would have traveled back in time to prevent Adam & Eve from committing their “Original Sin”.
If Jesus Christ (MAN’S SAVIOR) could time-travel & prevent Adam & Eve’s “ORIGINAL SIN”, but, Jesus DID NOT, then, the insane Biblical God’s plan WAS for Adam & Eve to commit their “ORIGINAL SIN”.
Just think of all the misery, pain and death the Biblical God’s insane plan created. God’s plan included the torture and the crucifixion of His only begotten Son, Jesus. God’s plan includes “Eternal-Torment” for you, me and all of Humanity if we do not totally please and obey Him. If we do please and obey the Biblical God, He will accept us to grovel and serve Him and Jesus 24 / 7 for eternity.
Matthew 7:21 Jesus said: Not everyone who says Lord to Me will enter Heaven but only the one who does the will of God. Many will say to Me on that day: Lord, did we not prophesy and do good deeds in Your name? I will declare to them: I never knew you. Depart from Me you evildoers.
Jesus’ forgiveness seems limited. Is salvation a doing thing and not a faith thing? Or, is having faith, doing?
John 7:16 Jesus said: My teaching is not My Own, but God’s. Whoever chooses to do God’s will shall know whether My teaching is from God or whether I speak on My Own.
Didn’t Moses also say he wasn’t responsible as he was only carrying out God’s orders? Isn’t Jesus, like Moses, making a statement that separates Himself from being God?
Then, behold:
John 10:30 Jesus said: I and My Father are One.
John 14:9 Jesus said: He who has seen Me has seen The Father.
John 14:29 Jesus said: The ruler of this world is coming. He has no power over Me.
Is Jesus referring to Satan or to God as the ruler of this world? If Satan is coming, where has Satan been? Jesus had a conversation with Satan; so, he must have already been on Earth – when he’s not hanging out at God’s house (Job 1:6 & 2:1). If Satan is coming and Jesus is going, how does Satan have no power over Jesus? Am I the only one confused?
John 20:17 After His crucifixion, Jesus said to Mary Magdalene: Stop holding on to Me for I have not yet ascended to God. I am going to My Father and your Father, to My God and your God.
How does this depict Jesus as being the same as, nor equal to, God? It seems that Jesus wasn’t much into a woman holding Him before or after He was dead.
I Corinthians 12:3 No one speaking by God says Jesus is cursed. No one can say Jesus is Lord except by The Holy Spirit.
Some assume to know the mind of God. It is their minds that often fascinate me. GWD
I Peter 3:22 Jesus Christ, who has gone to Heaven and is at the right hand of God.
Dennis McKinsey: Jesus can not be God because one can not sit to the right hand of oneself.
Revelation 2:7 Jesus said: To him who conquers, I will grant to eat of the tree of life, which is in the paradise of God.
Revelation 2:17 Jesus said: To him who conquers, I will give some of the hidden manna, and I will give him a white stone, with a new name written on the stone which no one knows except him who receives it.
Revelation 3:5 Jesus said: He who conquers shall be clad in white garments. I will not blot his name out of the book of life. I will confess his name before my Father and before his angels.
Revelation 3:12 Jesus said: He who conquers, I will make a pillar in the temple of my God. Never shall he go out of it. I will write on him the name of my God, and the name of the city of my God, the new Jerusalem which comes down from my God out of heaven, and my own new name.
Revelation 3:21 Jesus said: He who conquers, I will grant to sit with me on my throne, as I myself conquered and sat down with my Father on his throne.
Jesus encourages / demands us to conquer?
Dictionary: “Conquer”
1. To acquire by force of arms; win in war: to conquer a foreign land.
2. To overcome by force; subdue: to conquer an enemy.
3. To gain, win, or obtain by effort, personal appeal, conquer the hearts of his audience.
4. To gain a victory over; surmount; master; overcome.
In Revelation chapters 2&3 Jesus rewards those who conquer by force and by war. To conquer hearts rewards believers who wage war on our free-wills.
Can you name 12 Human Beings who, in their own way, publicly stand up to “Conquer-agenda Christians”?
God’s Family Values
The Biblical God proved to be the most miserable, insane, jealous and murderous Character – documented by Bible C&V – in the Old Testament.
Job came in a miserable second – due to this tyrannical, deceitful God.
The Biblical God arranged for Jesus Christ to have the most miserable death in the New Testament. That’s because He was God’s son. This best depicts: God’s Family Values.
Who here really wants to be Godlike? Be honest now.
Some, like defense attorneys, are not in search of the facts. They just want to win for their client. They tend to cover-up, deny facts and argue for control rather than to debate for justice. Somehow, they are allowed to lie in court.
Faith: Heb 11:1 Faith is the substance / realization of what is hoped for and evidence of things not seen.
To qualify, faith has to be nonsense. To have faith is to do or allow something to take place although it does not make sense; to blindly follow and obey without the benefit of logic, reason or rationale. If something makes sense, one does not need faith.
Faith is the vehicle of mindless automatons whose mission is to convert or steal the wills of others so that they too may become mindless automatons with no will of their own. They call it soul-saving. To have faith is to be out of the decision-making business; your decisions are made for you. Faith is acceptance, without agreement or understanding.
Faith is a slave-mentality; the very glue of the herd-mentality. Religious people of faith are often referred to as sheep.
To have faith is to act on orders you don’t know to be legal or valid. Faith is to gamble on instincts or feelings when success seems improbable. Prisons are full of believers who had faith. Their faith over-rode their self-responsibility and common sense. Their faith directly caused their feelings to let them down. Faith is that which cannot be proven, regardless, is supposed to be believed. To have faith in an adversary is to give up power and control to that adversary. Addicts do it all the time.
A Question Is Harmless to A Seeker Of Truth / Facts
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A Question Is Venomous / Poison To A Mind-set Believer
Who said: I judge no man?
Who said: I do not accept testimony from a human being?
Who said: If your right eye causes you to sin, tear it out, throw it away?
Who said: If I bear witness of Myself, My witness is not true?
Who was accused of being a glutton and a drunkard?
Who said: I do not accept human praise?
Who said: I will not accuse you. Moses will?
Who couldn’t do many miracles in His homeland due to their lack of faith?
Who said: Don’t worry about your life, body or about tomorrow?
Who said: No one can come to Me unless God draws him?
Who declared all foods to be clean?
Who went against God’s rules on fasting?
Who went against the rules on divorce?
Who altered or ignored God’s dietary laws?
Who went against God’s rules concerning the Sabbath?
Who went against God’s rules on adultery?
Who went against the washing of hands before dining?
Who said: Slay My enemies who would not have Me reign over them?
Who said: I will also put her children to death?
Who said: Why do you call Me good. No one is good but God alone?
Who said: Who can be saved? For human beings it is impossible?
Who said: You do not believe because you are not among My sheep. My sheep hear My voice; I know them and they follow Me. I give them eternal life and they shall never perish. No one can take them out of My hand. Catholic
What is God’s “Elect”? God and Who both know the “Elect” because They chose Their “Elect” before the Earth was formed. No one can take the “Elect” from Whose hand? The “Elect” have a free ride by “Grace”? Why didn’t the Jews believe this? Why am I so skeptical?
Who said: I came not to send peace but the sword, man against father, daughter against mother. KJV
Who said: He that has no sword, let him sell his garment and buy one?
Who will rule over the house of Jacob, forever?
Who said: Whoever loves his mother etc. more than Me is not worthy of Me?
Who said: Without hating his mother etc. – he cannot be My disciple?
Who said: I have come to set the Earth on fire. How I wish it were already blazing?
Would a God who is in control wish?
Who said: Children will rise up against their parents and put them to death?
Who said to His mother: Woman, how does your concern affect Me?
Who said: Whoever believes – serpents and drinking poison will not harm them?
Who said: Friend, who appointed Me as your judge?
Who said: Sell your belongings and give alms?
Who said: Who does not renounce all his possessions cannot be My disciple.
Who was at meal in His house?
Who said that He was sent only to the lost sheep of the house of Israel?
Who said: Tax collectors and prostitutes are entering Heaven before you?
Who said: Heaven will pass away?
If Heaven passes away, what is all this salvation stuff about?
Who said: This generation will not pass away until all these things take place?
Who said: Let this cup pass from Me three (3) different times?
Who said: My god, My god, why hast Thou forsaken Me?
Who died, tombs opened, dead bodies raised and appeared to many?
Who cried out: Father, into Thy hands I commend My spirit and breathed His last.
Psalm 31:5 Who said: Into Thine hands I commend my spirit. KJV
Careful now, as Psalm 31:5 wasn’t Jesus.
In reality, doesn’t someone have a better chance to get and hold on to life’s rewards if one earns them. Faith and hope generally indicates that someone wants something that others already have. Can’t faith and hope be potential thieves that assume entitlements to take unmerited gifts they have not earned.
Some say that everybody reads the Bible differently. If you go into it with love, you see love all through it. If you go into it committed with faith and belief, you will come out committed, having faith and believing. If you go in skeptical, you will probably remain skeptical. With all its hype and fearful stimuli, the Bible is an awesome hypnotic engine.
I, Gary W. DeVaney, am trying to approach the Bible as would an honest Supreme Court Judge, a big city prosecutor, a CIA intelligence officer, an FBI investigator, a homicide detective, a street cop, a concerned citizen. I choose to support human beings over a God who seems determined to cause them constant suffering and destruction. If you can write a better book concerning this subject, do so. I will be happy to critique its facts.
Critic: Every passage you have selected and pointed out is taken out of context.
Q: I agree. In what context would you view them to be more legal, moral, or acceptable?
Critic: In God’s value system.
Q: Do you, like God, also hold that those who don’t agree with you or don’t obey you should also be destroyed or eliminated?
Critic: From my world, yes.
Critic lawyer: You admit you are paraphrasing. That is always suspect.
Response: Check out your Bible and see the accuracy for yourself. It’s chapter and verse.
Critic lawyer: I’m a Buddhist. I won’t have a Bible in my house.
Some are closed-minded followers who insist that others follow as they do.
Matthew 13:41-42 The Son Of Man / Jesus Christ shall send His angels to gather out of His kingdom all things that offend and shall cast them into a furnace of fire.
Life is like a dog-sled race and unless you are the lead dog – the view is always the same.
From: Is Jesus Christ a Myth? Part One
Josephus
The only historian whom we might expect to mention Jesus is Josephus, a Jew who wrote a history of his people up to 66 A.D., which is called Jewish Antiquities. In fact, Josephus does mention Jesus twice, and so Christ Mythologists have to devote a lot of attention to attacking the relevant passages. Their job is made easier because Josephus, a Pharisee, probably felt nothing but contempt for Jesus. This meant later Christians tried to “correct” his negative phrasing.
The first mention of Jesus is in book 18 ofJewish Antiquities. Historians are largely agreed that the passage in question has been tampered with by a later Christian scribe. However, at least part of the passage is widely believed to be authentic. The words in bold below are thought to be the additions of a Christian scribe trying to make Jesus appear in a better light than Josephus would have wished.
Now there was about this time Jesus, a wise man, if it be lawful to call him a man; for he was a doer of wonderful works, a teacher of such men as receive the truth with pleasure. He drew over to him both many of the Jews and many of the Gentiles. He was the Christ. And when Pilate, at the suggestion of the principal men amongst us, had condemned him to the cross, those that loved him at the first did not forsake him; for he appeared to them alive again the third day; as the divine prophets had foretold these and ten thousand other wonderful things concerning him. And the tribe of Christians, so named from him, are not extinct at this day. (Josephus, Jewish Antiquities, 18, 3, 3)
Because Josephus – a Pharisee, who probably felt nothing but contempt for Jesus – most modern scholars view that Josephus’ writings were edited / altered by one or more Christian scribes. Historians are largely agreed that the Jesus passages in question have been tampered with by one or more later Christian scribes.
The myth of a Virgin-Born Jesus Christ sacrificing Himself for the sins of mankind, then dying and coming back to life is supernatural nonsense.
Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. Neither faith nor belief is evidence.
What can be asserted without proof can logically be dismissed without proof.
Matthew 10:5-6 Jesus commanded to His 12 disciples: Go not into the way of the Gentiles but go rather tothe lost sheep of the House of Israel.
What? Jesus did not want the Gentiles to be saved? Jesus, by His command, was only for the salvation of the Jews?
Matthew 15:22-28 A non-Jewish woman begged Jesus to help her daughter. Jesus’ disciples told Jesus to send her away. Jesus said:I am not sent but untothe lost sheep of the House of Israel. She pleaded to Jesus: Lord, help me! Jesus told her: It’s not right to take the children’s bread and cast it to dogs. She said to Jesus: Dogs eat the crumbs which fall from the master’s table. Jesus healed the woman’s daughter.
Such is the documented and racist character of Jesus Christ. This poor, frightened woman persistently pegged and pleaded for Jesus to save daughter. Jesuses refused her plea with racist excuses. The woman debated Jesus’ excuses. Jesus lost the debate and cured her daughter.
Behold! Both Matthew 10: 5-6 & Matthew 15:24 document that Jesus only came for the Jews. In reality, Jesus was not there for any other race. This is documented evidence that Jesus Christ’s behavior was racist. But, for the believer of course, denial is automatic.
God and Jesus does not change? God and Jesus remain the same from Alpha to Omega. God and Jesus are racist.
Did Jesus, by referring to taking bread from Jewish children and giving to Gentiles (non-Jews), make a racist and insulting remark? Do you know any practicing Christians who, like Jesus, would fail a racist test?
After Jesus’ death, Christianity would have the world believe that Jesus put the Jewish Apostle Paul to the task of saving the Gentiles.
Matthew 17:17 Jesus said: Oh, faithless and perverse generation, how long will I be with you? How long will I endure you?
Does Jesus prove to be impatient? Did Jesus resent enduring some Human Beings?
Matthew 18:3 Jesus said: Unless you become like children, you will not enter Heaven.
How did Jesus inspire maturity and responsible Human behavior in Matthew 18:3?
Matthew 18:8-9 Jesus said: If your hand or foot causes you to sin, cut it off and throw it away. If your eye causes you sin, tear it out and throw it away.
Please, do not obey Jesus’ insane, destructive instructions.
Diagnosing mental illness sometimes is easy – especially when you realize that: Insanity is Contagious.
Luke 17:34 Jesus said: I tell you, in that night there shall be two men in one bed; the one shall be taken and the other shall be left. KJV
Luke 17:35 Jesus said: Two women shall be grinding together; one shall be taken, the other left.
G: Whoa! The Biblical God does not condemn all homosexuals? In God’s sense of justice, what is “just and fair” for one homosexual man and for one homosexual woman to be “taken” while another homosexual man and woman are left behind? By these examples, how do the Biblical God’s consequences prove to be just and fair?
Luke 20:46-47 Jesus said: Be on guard against the scribes / clergy in long robes who love greetings and seats of honor at banquets. They devour the houses of widows and as a pretext, recite lengthy prayers. They will receive a very severe condemnation.
I’ll bet the Catholic Church doesn’t mention this sacred Bible C&V. Do you think that any faith-peddling evangelists ever loved greetings and seats of honor.
Luke 21:33 Jesus said: Heaven and Earth shall pass away. KJV
Do you realize that Jesus said right here in Luke 21:33 that “Heaven shall pass away”?
II Peter 3:10 &12 Heaven shall pass away and dissolve in flames. Look forward to the day when God destroys the Heavens by fire.
Believers often express their fear of the end of the world. Did you ever consider the end of Heaven, too? What invention can one come up with to explain this? Could it be that The Biblical Heaven is a myth that is simply hoped for? Heaven’s own source states it exists but will pass away / be destroyed by fire. Some pretend that Heaven exists within numerous dimensions outside of science, time and reason. No one can prove that with any evidence. Could eternity simply be the absence of conscious time, for without time how can there be a sense of conscience, or vice versa? Most Human egos cannot handle the reality of their expiration.
Revelation 12:7 There was war in Heaven.
What? Oh-my-Gawd! There was war in Heaven? What other horrors are there in Heaven? Pain? Suffering? If that is a fact, why would any sane, knowledgeable Human Being want to go to Heaven?
Luke 22:31-33 Jesus told Peter that He (Jesus) prayed for (Peter’s) faith not to fail.
Luke 22:57-62 After Jesus’ trial, Peter denied knowing Jesus three (3) times.
Let me get this straight. Jesus prayed for Peter’s faith not to fail. Later, Peter denied knowing Jesus three (3) times. Let me think this over – it’s slowly sinking in – it’s coming together…
What does this say about the power of Jesus Christ’s prayers?
Peter Denied knowing Jesus 3 Times
Matthew 18:17 Jesus said: If he refuses to listen to the Church, then, treat him as you would a Gentile or a tax collector.
Isn’t a Gentile a race of Human Beings? Again, did Jesus prove to be a racist?
Matthew 5:32 & 19:9 Jesus said: Who divorces his wife and marries another commits adultery.
But the Biblical God was a divorcee as documented in Jeremiah 3:8. God gave Israel a bill of divorce. If you give or receive a bill of divorce, you are a divorcee.
John 21:20-22 Peter saw the disciple following whom Jesus loved, who had reclined on His chest during the (last) supper. Peter asked Jesus: Lord, what about him? Jesus said: What if I want him to remain until I come? What concern is it of yours? You follow Me. Catholic
There are a few places in the book of John that mentions the disciple whom Jesus loved. Many scholars won’t go into any depth on Jesus’ relationship with this affectionate, sensitive, male disciple.
Matthew 19:12 Jesus said: Some are incapable of marriage because they are born so.
Homosexuality comes to mind. If He were alive today, what do you think Jesus Christ would say or do about homosexuality and gay marriage.
The Disciple whom Jesus loved?21% of Men & 22% of Women are Gay?
In August 2002 Gallup estimated that 21% of men and 22% of women are gay.
Matthew 22:35-40, Matthew 22:39, Mark 12:31 Jesus Said: You shall love your God with all your heart and soul. You shall love your neighbor as yourself.
The commandment that Jesus spoke of is not one of God’s, most important, finger-written, 10 commandments. Nor is this new commandment one of the 613 O. T. Commandments. Jesus seems to accept one’s loving himself – which the Biblical God often condemned to be prideful. If Jesus is God, doesn’t God prove to change?
Delusional Fantasy
Matthew 21:1-7 Jesus sent 2 disciples to get an ass and a colt. They did and Jesus sat upon them. Jesus told them: If anyone should say anything to you, reply: The Master has need of them.
First, how could just one Jesus Christ sit on two animals, an ass and a colt? My Gawd, that would be a miracle! Was this procurement of these two (2) animals outright theft? Don’t all the egos of thieves feel that they have needs and assume that they are somehow entitled to the property of others? Did Jesus Christ teach, for many who worshipped Him, a theft-model that could and did generate prison-time for them?
Matthew 21:22 Jesus said: Whatever you ask for in prayer with faith, you will receive.
How often have you pray to Jesus for things that you never got?
I Samuel 2:2 God judges deeds.
Matthew 21:31 Jesus said: Tax collectors and prostitutes are entering Heaven before you.
Jesus states that prostitutes (women who sell sex) do get to Heaven. If sex-workers do get into Heaven, is it no wonder that the modern young State of Nevada, in some areas, has legalized prostitution? That state loves the tax revenues that many husbands and fathers and a few fun-loving ladies provide it. Obviously, prostitution and gambling are not against federal laws. Pot has been legal in California for medical use since 1996 and for recreational use since 2016. Laws have been changing.
Hummm, could it be that God is not in control? Well, what about free-will? If just one Human Being truly has free-will, then, the Biblical God is not in control.
Nevada’s: “The Chicken Ranch”
Mark 14:66-72 A maid of The High Priest saw Peter and said: You were with Jesus… Peter denied it. And the cock crowed. She saw Peter again and said he was “one of them” twice more. Peter denied it again twice more for a total of three times. Peter recalled that Jesus said to Peter: Before the cock crows 2 times (twice), you will deny Me 3 (three) times.
John 13:38 Jesus said to Peter: The cock will not crow before you deny Me three (3) times. Because the cock did crow after the 1st denial in Mark 14:68, these 2 C&V details cannot be both correct – which means they do contradict each other. Here is solid evidence that the Bible misquoted Jesus either in Mark 14:68 or in John 13:38. Ergo, the Holy Bible contradicts itself, is fallible, faulty, contains errors and cannot be strictly depended upon.
Mark 14:66-72 contradicted John 13:38.
A display of Ego, Self-Esteem and Pride?
Believer: It’s a minor and an insignificant contradiction and error. It doesn’t matter.
It does matter, if the Bible’s integrity matters. Minor and insignificant or not, the Bible, after all these years and editing, still contains many contradictions and errors.
The book “The Encyclopedia of Biblical Errancy” by my old friend and colleague, the late C. Dennis McKinsey, best exposes Biblical errors and contradictions. It is a very thick book.
Jesus prayed to God. If God was Jesus, and Jesus was God, why would God need to pray to God? There is evidence that even Jesus’ prayers were not fulfilled.
Do your prayers, your faith, hopes and beliefs, attempt to “will” what you do want or to “will” what you don’t want into reality?
Gary DeVaney’s most important original thought:
You only have two (2) emotions:DO WANTS / DON’T WANTS – AND THEIR INTENSITIES.
To become aware of your behavior, apply your “emotional intensity” to a specific “feeling” that drives you and you will know what you are doing and why you are doing it.
EMOTIONS:DO WANTS / DON’T WANTS AND THEIR INTENSITIES.
Confidence: Knowing what you are doing and why you are doing it.
Matthew 10:15 Luke & 10:12 Jesus said: It will be more tolerable for the land of Sodom on the day of judgment than for that town.
Does that mean although Sodom was judged and destroyed by God, your town can be in greater peril? Did the Sodomites have salvation, according to this verse?
Matthew 24:34 Jesus said: This generation won’t pass away until all these things take place.
After 2,000 years, do any believers have any provable evidence that any of that generation are alive today?
Matthew 25:41 Jesus said: Depart from Me, you cursed, into the everlasting fire prepared for the Devil and his Angels.
Did Jesus tell these people that they were cursed and to go to Hell?
A depressed teenage boy was talking to Jesus. He complained to Jesus: Nobody accepts me! Jesus said: I know the feeling. The boy asked Jesus: What do you do when they don’t accept you? Jesus said: I tell them to: “God to Hell!”
When we successfully exchange provable facts for false truths, don’t we achieve awareness? Facts without awareness are useless. Did Judas have any choice in becoming a traitor to Jesus? If God predestines, plans, orchestrates, executes, and, in essence, does it all, what does any Biblical “Satan role” consist of?
According to Job 2:6, Satan could do nothing without the permission of the “in control” Biblical God. Because God never admonished Satan for the deaths of Job’s children and servants, it was the “in control” God’s will and agenda that they were killed. Would you dare claim that God is not in control? Is Satan’s role – of being God’s adversary – all for God’s pleasure? By God’s admission in Job: 2:3: Satan tempted, enticed, moved God – depending on which version of the Bible you have. The Lord’s Prayer prays to God: “Lead us not into temptation”… So, who proves to tempt you to do evil – God or Satan?
The “Traitorous” Judas Kiss
I John 2:18 claims there are many “Anti-Christs”.
Satan cannot be the only “Anti-Christ”.
Blasphemy: Some believers accuse “blasphemy” to publicly brand, label and censor people.
This must be one of the feel-good, bribery passages that Jim Jones, Jimmy Swaggart, Reverend Ike, Jim Bakker, Pat Robertson, Jerry Falwell and like ilk, constantly lay on believers for their money. And some still buy into it!
One King James Version of Luke 17 is headed: The lesson of Sodom.
Hebrews 1:4-7 & Psalms 8:5-6 claim: Jesus was “begotten” by God.
Then, Jesus can not be God if Jesus was “begotten” by God.
If Jesus is God, Jesus could not have been created. If Jesus is infinite, Jesus has always existed and always will exist. The law of Physics states that energy cannot be created nor destroyed. But energy does change into other forms. God is claimed to be the same from “The Alpha to the Omega” – the beginning to the end. Concerning the Biblical God, there is no beginning or an end.
The Holman Bible Dictionary: Sacrifice is food and drink for the gods to satisfy what they claim to need. In return, forgiveness is assumed.
Sacraments: The sacraments are a bizarre concept that a reward for eternal-life is in the eating of Jesus Christ’s Human flesh and the drinking of His Human blood. It is a wonder, that with the still primitive mental mechanism of man, there isn’t more cannibalism in the world in pursuit of blood sacrifice for salvation. Some primitive rituals practiced today may still influence this dangerous, cannibalistic behavior for the less than mentally / emotionally stable.
Do believers pretend to drink Jesus’ blood and eat his flesh to satisfy their mythical salvation needs? When objectively evaluated, it’s a pretty sick scenario.
The Sacraments
The drinking of Jesus Christ’s blood
The eating of Jesus Christ’s body
Luke 10:16 Jesus said to his disciples: He that hears you, hears me. He that despises you despises me. He that despises me despises God who sent me.
How many clergy have said: To reject me is to reject God?
Luke 12:4 Jesus said: Be not afraid of them that kill the body…
Isn’t this another controversial conflict? Isn’t Jesus again saying: Do as I say, not as I do? In the garden, wasn’t Jesus described to be really sweating what was coming? 3 times Jesus begged God “to take this cup from me”. Jesus wanted out.
Conversely, if Jesus wanted to fulfill what was about to happen, wasn’t His act a form of suicide? So, is suicide ok in this case, in believers’ value systems?
If Jesus could opt out of His flesh body into His “transfigured body” at will, Jesus may not have experienced the pain His flesh body would have endured on the cross. See: “Jesus’ transfigured body”.
Bill Moyers, author of his great book Genesis: “God actually put His son on the cross to bleed in agony for other people. This is a God who would save us by doing that to a human being?”
Matthew 19:27 Peter answered Jesus: We have left everything to follow you. What then will there be for us?
John, Jesus’ disciple, had a home to take Jesus’ mother into.
Luke 19:27 Jesus said: And, as for those, Mine enemies, who would not have Me be King over them, bring them before Me and slay them.
What? Jesus Christ said: Bring them before Me and slay them?
Jesus often explained Himself and His values by speaking in parables. Jesus spoke of fictitious characters like the King that Jesus characterized just before Luke 19:27 to describe Himself and to teach His points. Did Jesus speak of a fictitious God in the same manner?
Did Jesus Christ say that He wanted those murdered who would not allow Jesus to reign over them? So, what, if it was a parable? Wasn’t it Jesus Who said these words that will not go away? In what “context” could Jesus’ words be proper?
Revelation 2:18-23 TheSon of God condemned Jezebel for not repenting for her sexual immorality. (Jesus Christ) said: I will kill her children.
What? Doesn’t this Bible C&V say that Jesus Christ will kill children.
Around 2008, two of my friends and I went to a Christmas house party. A group was talking about the Bible. One said that Jesus would kill children. A young woman had a beautiful 5-year-old daughter there. I said as a retired Army officer and that Jesus would have to go through me to do that. The woman angrily said: I’d push you out of the way. There was a dead silence. An hour later, when we were getting ready to leave, the woman came up to me and we hugged. I whispered into her ear, don’t ever let you 5-year-old daughter know that you would push me out of the way so that Jesus could kill her. She smiled, squeezed my hand and said I won’t. That experience motivated me to research and find Revelation 2:23 where the Son of God, Jesus Christ, would kill her children.
Luke 22:43 (Jesus was facing death) To strengthen Jesus, an angel from Heaven appeared to Him.
Now, that’s cheating. Most Humans don’t report getting a strengthening courtesy just hours before their death. Maybe it was the physician in Dr. Luke talking.
Luke 22:44 Jesus was in such agony, and He prayed so fervently that His sweat became like drops of blood falling on the ground.
This C&V documents that Jesus did not want to suffer and die for any reason.
Matthew 26:37-39 Jesus began to feel sorrow and distress. He said: My soul is sorrowful even to death. My Father, if possible, LET THIS CUP PASS FROM ME. KJV
Jesus passionately begged God to call it off three (3) times.
C. Dennis McKinsey: At this point, it doesn’t sound much like Jesus is very interested in dying for His fellow man, or for the fulfillment of anything.
Matthew 27:46 Jesus Christ said: My God, My God, why hast Thou forsaken Me?
What! God Forsakes Jesus?
Believer: Ah, so what? We have all forsaken ourselves at one time or another.
This is exhibited, as evidence, in The King James Version of: Psalm 22:1 My God, My God, why hast Thou forsaken me?
A little m for me as it was David, not Jesus, depicted in Psalm 22:1. It is evident that many things have been plagiarized after the fact from many pagan religions to make up the composite character of Jesus Christ and this is evidence of one of the greatest adoptions. Did Jesus, a God, during His death-struggle, really quote these written words from a thousand years earlier, or were His words applied, after the fact, by Old Testament Bible plagiarism?
Well, so much for Bible credibility and not for all the obvious reasons. As much as our hearts tug with pain due to Jesus’ suffering death, it tends to shock and anger some that Matthew 27:46 is more evidence that it is all staged. These words, verbalized by Jesus Christ during His painful death-throws, were verbatim to Biblical words written a thousand years earlier, by King David.
Luke 23:46 Jesus cried out: Father, into Thy hands I commend My spirit and breathed His last.
Luke 24: 41-43 (After Jesus’ resurrection) Jesus appeared to His disciples and asked them: Have you anything here to eat? They gave Him a piece of baked fish; He took it and ate it in front of them.
Jesus Christ also plagiarized Zoroastrianism to create Christianity. Check out Zoroastrianism on The God Murders website.
Specifically, did Matthew plagiarize this writing? If so, shame, shame.
But, if what Matthew wrote is plagiarism, how much more of the life of Jesus Christ was a composite plagiarism of other religions and their heroes?
Hell, I write words down all the time that I may have heard or read somewhere, and I have no idea who may have written them. Some words have too much value, and they should be shared – not lost to history. As a public speaker, I am often offered travel expenses, but I don’t ask for any money for my work.
Psalm 31:5 Into Thine hands I commend my spirit. KJV
Luke 23:46 Jesus Christ said: Into Thine hands I commend my spirit. KJV
Believer: No! It’s not possible that both Matthew & Luke plagiarized their writings!
Jesus does not prove to be a descendent of King David, but a mere composite of David’s poetry in Psalms. Did these Gospel writers make up Jesus and put words in His mouth in a fraud to fulfill prophesy?
Dennis McKinsey emailed me that it was Jesus’ Divinity that took a hit.
Did T. S. Eliot claim: Bad poets borrow but good poets steal.
Really?
Matthew 27:52-53 When Jesus died by crucifixion, tombs were opened and the bodies of many dead saints raised forth from their tombs, entered the city and appeared to many.
I don’t believe that. Do you? Is Matthew credible? No history bearing nation, Rome, Israel, Egypt etc. nor Mark, Luke, John, Paul (nor Ringo) bothered to make such a claim. If dead people rose from the dead and roamed the city, would it not be worth mentioning by at least one of the other Gospels or New Testament writers? Either Matthew took extraordinary and zealous literary license here, or he had a strange sense of humor. Maybe, he forgot to take his medication.
Job 7:9 He that goes down to the grave comes up no more.
What? Jesus preached that there was an afterlife, a Heaven and a Hell? Somebody Biblical is downright lying.
Old Testament Hebrews and their God never knew of nor preached about any Afterlife, Heaven, Hell, Eternal-Torment, Satan or Salvation. Their God did it all. That’s why the Jewish Priests in Jerusalem wanted Jesus crucified because He went against Jewish dogma by preaching: Afterlife, Heaven, Hell, Satan, Eternal-Torment, and Salvation.
Matthew 28:20 The resurrected Jesus said: And behold, I am with you always, until the end of the age.
C. Dennis McKinsey: The end of anything is not always.
Good one, Dennis.
Idolatry: (Dictionary)
1. The worship of idols.
Exodus 2:4 God commanded: You shalt not make any graven image or idols…
Does worshipping crosses and images of people on them qualify as idols?
2. Excess devotion or reverence for some person or thing.
Does worshipping images and statues of Jesus Christ qualify as idols?
Exodus 25:10-22 God commanded Moses to build an Arc.
What? God disobeyed His own 4th commandment by ordering Moses to build an arc.
Numbers 21:8 God ordered Moses to make a serpent and mount it on a pole so that all who are snake-bitten and sees it will live.
Again, God made Moses disobey His own 4th commandment. You don’t think that the snake-bitten didn’t worship the snake wrapped around a pole because it saved their lives? Today, a Caduceus is a respected medical symbol of entwined snakes around a pole.
How can the Biblical God send Human Beings into Hell’s Eternal-Torment for disobedience if God, Himself is documented by Bible C&V to have broken His own finger-written commandments?
John 7:34 Jesus said: You will seek Me and shall not find Me; and, where I am, you cannot come.
At no time would I ever desire to change places with poor, suffering and forsaken Jesus.
If know-it-all God has planned and pre-destined our moment of death and all the “evil” things we do or that are done to us; then, what is the role or purpose of any Satan or devil? Do they just work for God?
Hosea 1:2 God ordered Hosea: Go take a harlot for a wife.
What? Did God actually order His prophet, Hosea, to take a hooker, prostitute, whore, harlot, sex worker for his wife? What kind of model or message is God sending your son or to your daughter?
John 13:23-25 One of Jesus’ disciples (the one whom Jesus loved) was reclining at Jesus’ side, leaned back against Jesus’ chest.
Some critics have questioned the sexuality of Jesus Christ – not that in today’s time – anything could be wrong with it.
John 19:26 (On the cross): When Jesus saw His mother and the disciple whom He loved, He said to His mother: Woman, behold your son. Then Jesus said to the disciple (He loved): Behold your mother. The disciple took her into his home.
Jesus’ mother, Mary, watched Jesus’ Crucifixion
Are Christian Preacher’s answers to Bible questions the “Honest to God” facts? Would their answers hold up, under oath, in court?
Have you ever heard your preacher say: My answers to your Bible questions are the truth, nothing but the truth, so help me God?
Here are some really hard to answer questions:
Who said: No one can take My sheep out of My hand?
Who said: I came not to send peace but the sword, father against son, daughter against mother?
Who said: He that has no sword, let him sell his garment and buy one?
Who said that He will rule over the house of Jacob forever?
Who said: Whoever loves his mother, father, brother, sister and his own life more than Me is not worthy of Me?
Who said: I have come to set the Earth on fire and how I wish it were already blazing?
Who said: Children will rise up against their parents and put them to death?
Who said: Without hating his mother father, brother and sister – he cannot be My disciple?
Who said to his mother: Woman, how does your concern affect Me?
Who said: Whoever believes in Me, serpents and drinking poison will not harm them?
Who said: Friend, who appointed Me as your judge?
Who said: Sell all your belongings, give alms and follow Me?
Who said: Who does not renounce all his possessions cannot be My disciple?
Who was at meal in His house?
Who did women finance?
Who said that He was sent only to the lost sheep of the house of Israel?
Who said: Tax collectors and prostitutes are entering heaven before you?
Who said: Heaven will pass away?
Who said to a poor gentile woman and her daughter: It is not right to cast the children’s bread to dogs?
Who said: This generation will not pass away until all these things take place?
Who begged God: Let this cup pass from Me three (3) different times?
Who said: My God, My God, why hast Thou forsaken Me?
Who died, tombs opened, dead bodies raised and appeared to many?
Where is “The Virgin Mary’s” husband, Joseph? Dead? Divorced? What? Nobody cares?
The disciple, whom Jesus loved, is Andrew’s brother, John. None of Jesus’ brothers were His disciples during Jesus’ lifetime. Jesus’ brother James did assume control over the church in Jerusalem after Jesus was crucified. Later, James, his fans and supporters were wiped out.
Matthew 27:5 Judas Iscariot (Jesus’ betrayer) went off and hanged himself.
Acts 1:18 Judas, falling headlong, burst open and his guts gushed out.
Isn’t this another Biblical conflict and / or contradiction?
Jesus died for our sins: In any value system, how can justice be served by executing an innocent man for the crimes or sins of others? If we support this doctrine and its God, we support that. Would anyone volunteer his or her child for Jeffery Dahmer’s or Adolf Hitler’s crimes? Don’t Christians support a God who wants vengeance and doesn’t care who pays the price?
A Translation Argument:
One great argument between Biblical authorities and us poor, “Biblically Illiterate” is:
Many of the clergy and the assumed elect manipulate the English Bible’s words by stating they don’t say what the original texts say.
They refer back to the original Greek, Aramaic or Hebrew to establish authority over what “God’s word” really is.
I have an estimated 25,000 hours of research, study and debate of the Bible. I have studied and I have comprehended “God’s word”.
The best controversial Bible C&V debate for me would be a Baptist minister. This Christian Preacher best knows the controversial C&Vs and can authoritatively debate them – warts and all. Most experienced Baptist ministers will not publicly debate me – so to protect their livelihood.
After about 40 years of study, debate and writing this work which ended up on my The God Murders website, I have never charged any money for my work. I did all of this documented research and debate primarily for myself and I shared this work with those who prove to be capable of intellectually understanding and emotionally accepting the work. Christian believers have difficulty reading / comprehending the controversial C&V of the Bible.
Aramaic? Greek?
Some authoritative and assumed to be “The Elect” (God’s pre-chosen) argue for authority, control and power by stating:
You are reading the English versions and you don’t know what the Bible really says and means. You are Biblically illiterate. I will tell you what the Bible means. “Repent, Convert, Conform, Obey and SEND MONEY!!!”
If what is written in English is not what the Holy Bible means, then those assumed to be THE ELECT must be admitting that our English-written Bible is inaccurate and poorly written; thus flawed. Well – I guess that settles that.
Personally, I only speak and read English. In the beginning of this study, it is the Catholic “easy English” version that I used to be most able to grasp and mostly take issue with. After about 40 years, I no longer struggle with the King James “old King’s English” Version. Often, when one Bible version is more controversial than another version, I admit that I go with the more controversial version. For me, if it is not in English, I’m not guessing about it.
Many Bible readers see only the good things and ignore or avoid the negative things the Bible holds. Surprisingly, many who try to read and comprehend the Bible are actually sensory blocked and blind to the controversial Bible C&Vs. For me, since my study began, controversial Bible C&Vs jumped off the pages.
Declaration: If I am wrong about the Bible passages that I have selected to comment on, I am a stupid, ignorant fool. But, if I am correct and accurate, I have learned much, and dared to share it through my The God Murders website. Also, there are YouTube videos of some of my speaking engagements.
I am not responsible for what the Bible says. I, like you, am not responsible for how other people feel about what the Bible says. You, I and all Americans, have our Constitutional right to question and express our opinions on any and all Biblical writings.
This work is bound to have errors. If you find an error, please contact me and if proven, it will be corrected. And I will definitely thank you so much.
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The Resurrection?
Matthew 12:40 Jesus Christ prophesied: For as Jonas was 3 days and 3 nights in the whale’s belly so shall the Son of Man be 3 days and 3 nights in the heart of the Earth.
Question: How can Jesus Christ’s burial on “Good Friday” afternoon and Jesus’ resurrection from the dead before day-break on “Easter Sunday” qualify to be three (3) days and three (3) nights – as prophesied in Matthew 12:40 by Jesus Christ, Himself?
Did Jesus resurrect from His grave after 3 days & 3 nights?
Jesus Christ, according to the Bible, was in a bad situation and Jesus needed to be saved. Jesus begged God, His Father, to “let this cup pass from me” so to be saved. God was in charge. God did not save His “perfect” son. God planned for Jesus to be tortured and crucified to death. While dying, Jesus cried out to God, His father, “My God, My God, why hast thou forsaken Me?”
If God is “The Savior” and / or “The judge for Eternal Torment”, what makes you think that God would save you in your lifetime or would save you to serve God for Eternity? Jesus begged God to save Him. God refused. If God could do that to His Son, what makes you feel so special? Does the Biblical God terrorize you to make Him a fear-based, worshipful factor in your life?
The Savior? / The Judge?
An internet suggestion: We should put stickers on all Bibles: “The Bible is only a theory about a hypothesized Supreme Being and that Being’s relationship to Humans. The error-ridden Bible should be approached with a critical attitude, while considering alternative theories like evolution.”
How unique was Jesus’ resurrection from being dead?
Does any resurrection qualify for salvation?
Luke 7:11-15 The widow of Nain’s son rose from the dead.
Matthew 9:18-25 Jesus arose an official’s daughter from the dead.
Jesus is documented C&V to say that the official’s daughter was just sleeping. Did Jesus lie? Shall we believe Jesus’ claim that she was just sleeping? If we do believe Jesus, Jesus did not raise the child from the dead. Which is it? Can a believer mentally process and emotionally have the courage to answer this question?
I Kings 17:17-22 Elijah raised a dead child.
Elijah Brought A Child Back To Life?
II Kings 4:32-35 Elisha raised the dead son of a Shunammite from the dead.
II Kings 13:21 The bones of Elisha were touched by a dead man who came back to life.
Luke 9:28-34 Moses and Elijah came back to life at the “transfiguration” in Matthew 17:1-9.
I Samuel 28:7-15 King Saul got the Witch of Endor to raise Samuel’s spirit for him.
The Witch of Endor raised dead Samuel’s spirit?
Matthew 27:50-53 Jesus died, the Earth quaked. Tombs opened. The dead saints raised and came forth after the resurrection.
“Resurrection” Webster’s Dictionary: A rising from the dead or coming back to life.
Behold, an obvious Biblical error. By timetable, Jesus had not yet been resurrected. Jesus had not yet been buried. The words after the crucifixion would have been correct.
John 11:43-44 Lazarus arose from the dead.
Jesus Raised Lazarus From The Dead?
Many people rose from the dead before Jesus rose from the dead. If one believes in this Biblically reoccurring phenomenon, just how significant is Jesus’ resurrection? Did Jesus resurrect in His flesh body or His “transfigured body”?
Acts 9:36-41 Peter raised Tabitha from the dead.
Acts 20:9-10 Paul raised Eutychus back to the living.
Were all the people who were raised from the dead also Gods, like Jesus? Coming back from the dead is no big deal in the Bible. Christians, obviously, are afraid of death to the extent they require “eternal life”. Christian faith and belief is obviously more connected to fantasy and feel-good than with historical and scientific integrity.
Ecclesiastes 3:19-21 For the fate of the sons of men and the fate of beasts are the same, as one dies so dies the other. They all have the same breath, and man has no advantage over the beasts; for all is vanity. All go to one place, dust to dust. Who knows whether the spirit of man goes upward and the spirit of the beast goes down to the Earth?
This is realistic, logical and reasonable, but it contradicts most of the Bible.
Dust To Dust
Ecclesiastes 9:5 For the living know that they shall die, but the dead know not anything, neither have they any more a reward; for the memory of them is forgotten.
Ecclesiastes 9:5 – confirms that: The dead get no reward and know no Heaven.
Is this another Bible contradiction concerning resurrections?
It can be comforting to perceive that a moment after one is dead, he or she is gone and remembers nothing.
Catholic Bible Notes state:
Genesis 5:22-24 claims: Enoch never died. He went straight to Heaven.
II Kings 2:11 claims: Elijah never died. He went straight to Heaven in a whirlwind.
Elijah
Isaiah 26:14 They are dead, they shall not live, they are deceased they shall not rise.
This is another Bible contradiction concerning resurrection – one that displays integrity and reality.
I Corinthians 15:13-19 Paul said: If there is no resurrection of the dead, then neither has Christ been raised, then empty too is our preaching; empty too, your faith. Then we are also false witnesses to God, because we testified against God that He raised Christ, whom He did not raise if, in fact, the dead are not raised. For if the dead are not raised, then neither has Christ been raised, and, if Christ has not been raised, your faith is vain. You are still in your sins… If, for this life only, we have hoped in Christ, we are the most pitiful people of all.
Alright Paul! Who has countered Church dogma any better? However, could I Corinthians 15 project the only honest and accurate words Paul ever said?
I Corinthians 15:32 Paul said: If the dead are not raised: Let us eat and drink, for tomorrow we die.
Well, maybe this one too.
Do some tend to feel and project that their needs are so much more important than yours? Do some Christians assume entitlements in the name of Jesus Christ by insisting that their needs should be satisfied even at the sacrifice and the expense of others?
John 20:1-8 Mary Magdalene ran to Peter and the other disciple whom Jesus loved and told them Jesus had been taken from the tomb. They both ran. The disciple (whom Jesus loved) ran faster than Peter and arrived at the tomb first. He bent down and saw the burial clothes but did not go in. Then, the disciple (whom Jesus loved) also went in, the one who arrived first at the tomb, and he saw and believed.
Jesus’ Empty Tomb?
Tim 6:15-16 It is Jesus only who has immortality.
What? Only Jesus has immortality and there is no resurrection nor eternal-life for others? Then, what is all the urgency and sacrifice to get saved for?
Outside The New Testament, what history bearing nation has provided a history of Jesus? Josephus, a controversial Jewish writer, could be a source, but could that single source be an after-thought, post-scripted long after the time as many of the Gospels obviously were?
John 21:7-12 The disciple, whom Jesus loved, said to Peter: It is The Lord. They saw a charcoal fire with fish and bread on it. Jesus said to them: Bring some of the fish you caught. Let’s do breakfast.
One’s learning of a controversial subject can be predictable based on the mood or agenda one goes in with. If you feel depressed, defensive and are having difficulty – stop! Come back to it when you feel investigative, feisty, courageous, intelligent and clear-minded.
John 21:15-19 Three times Jesus asked: Simon / Peter, do you love Me more than these? He said: Yes Lord, You know that I love You. Jesus said: When you are old, somebody else will dress you and lead you where you do not want to go. Jesus said this signifying by what kind of death he would glorify God. Follow Me.
Simon / Peter?
Is the kind of death you don’t want the kind of death that tends to glorify God? Wasn’t Simon / Peter crucified upside-down in Rome?
John 21:20-22 Peter turned and saw the disciple following whom Jesus loved, the one who had also reclined upon His chest during the supper… Peter asked Jesus: What about him? Jesus said: What if I want him to remain until I come? What concern is it of yours? You follow Me. Catholic
Jesus’ relationship with “the disciple whom Jesus loved” is suspect and controversial – for those who dare go there. Yes, I dare go there.
Some believe in spite of evidence, not because of it. The concept of believing in Jesus has many virtues, but don’t some clergy view legalists as adversaries, sinners?
How does one know if or when one has faith? Is “having faith” merely gambling on luck? Can’t luck also be defined as unmerited-gift? Does one assume or pretend faith? Is faith a feeling that one senses? Is it hypnosis? Can one be commanded to love someone, under penalty of consequence or persecution, body and soul? Can you love someone that you have never met, that you have only heard or read about? Doesn’t one have to be insecure or prejudice to hate other human beings? Do you really believe in ghosts? Is it easy for you to passionately love someone who has been long dead? Do you really look forward to “the harvest” knowing that it means the expiration of every human-being alive on Earth? Do you have that little dedication or compassion for survival of humanity?
For some this material serves as a hair-trigger for emotional insecurity. Others may find it to be a breath of fresh air. Religion seems to encourage people to invent a personal fantasy world in order to resolve reality-based problems. Dreams often become living nightmares. Is the looking forward to eternity a form of escapism? Is it just another way to avoid the pains of reality? Anesthesia does exist and nobody sane wants to face a surgical procedure without it.
II Corinthians 4:3-10 Our gospel is veiled for those perishing. God has blinded the minds of the unbelievers so they might not see the glory of Christ. While we are at home in the body, we are away from God. We try to please Him whether we are home or away. We must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ so each one may receive recompense according to what he did in the body, whether good or evil. Catholic
The Glory Of Christ?
Would God sabotage any human-being’s salvation? Why do Christians insist that one either supports God or Satan? Is there’s a third choice? Which one do you fear most?
II Corinthians 5:13 Paul said: For if we are out of our minds, it is for God; for if we are rational, it is for you. Catholic
Dyslexia is when words get all mixed up / often backwards in one’s head when one is reading. If one does not see this God as a villain of mankind throughout these documented deeds, one may be suffering from dyslexia or maybe just a lack of guts and integrity. If one should feel right at home with these Biblical contradictions, one may also be classified as a dangerous “Schizophrenic“.
Matthew 26:37-39 Jesus began to feel sorrow and distress. Jesus said: My soul is sorrowful even to death. My Father, if possible, LET THIS CUP PASS FROM ME.
C. Dennis McKinsey: At this point, it doesn’t sound much like Jesus is very interested in dying for His fellow man, or for the fulfillment of anything.
Matthew 27:46 Jesus (on the cross) said: My God, My God, why hast Thou forsaken Me? (Eli, Eli, lama sabachthani?)
God Forsakes Jesus.
“Eli, Eli, Lama Sabachthani?”
My God, My God, Why Hast Thou Forsaken Me?
Holman Bible Dictionary: Jesus was “buried” on Good Friday afternoon. On Easter Sunday morning Jesus’ tomb was found empty.
Jesus’ Burial Tomb?
“Good Friday” afternoon to “Easter Sunday” morning is by no stretch is that 3-days and 3-nights, as Jesus prophesied.
You should check out the Wednesday – Sunday spin that televangelists Jack Van Impe and Arnold Murray put on this one. They (and other clergy) have the 3 day and 3 night process start on Wednesday so it would fit. If that be the case, what is the significance of “Good Friday”?
Also, Jack Van Impe states: The only way you can get to Heaven is by Grace (unmerited-gift) and that your name has to have been written into God’s Book of Life since before He formed the Earth.
Jack states that nothing can save you if you’re not in the book and regardless of how much you sin and if you are in the book, nothing can pull you away from the hand of God. You are saved.
I need an Excedrin. GWD
Believers are slaves. If you believe, you are a slave.
Believer: No – I am not a slave! What is your evidence or proof?
Proof? A slave cannot question his or her authority. A believer cannot question his or her belief. For if they do question – they prove to not truly believe. It is a no-win paradox for the believer.
Grace: Unmerited-gift.
Grace / Theft = Assumed-Entitlement.
How many people are serving time in prison for rape and theft because they heard some clergy preach Grace; upon which they erroneously had faith and zealously believed they were entitled to unmerited gift?
The Consequences of Assumed Entitlement
God’s Grace, or The Holy Spirit, obviously triggered certain feelings – and their feelings let them down. God seems to save certain people for prison – a life of living Hell.
They do this successfully because a majority of humans are terrified to assume personal responsibility.
Biblical infallibility is at stake here. How could God inspire His Bible to be so full of contradictions and errors? Jesus’ credibility and credentials are at stake here! Under strict examination, they are awful shaky. Was faith invented to spin and to endure this?
Why have only a small percentage of people throughout history personally read the Bible for themselves, by themselves? Until recent generations, weren’t most people, in history, illiterate? Didn’t the world’s greatest Christian denomination of the past 2,000 years (the Catholics) read their mass communication to their congregations in Latin, the dead language?
Most believers could not make out a thing the Priests were saying; didn’t care to. Some, today, are so indoctrinated with fear, they dare not question what is written and refuse to read it for themselves. Believers are so highly programmed, they feel a need for some ordained authority to explain it to them. Can’t we take on some self-responsibility and find out what is written for ourselves? Don’t we have to question to learn? Why are questions considered blasphemy? It seems that some people experience attention deficit disorder when exposed to factual criticism of God and the Bible. Why?
Feelings are what addictions are made of. In therapy, one’s feelings are challenged. The feelings you refuse to discuss or get angry about are the feelings that control you. Those are the feelings you are addicted to; the very feelings that let you down.
Bible debate censors: If you attempt to debate negative Biblical content, these are some of the tactics you will face. Most will attempt to stop you from exposing and debating negative Bible content – while denying it. Many will interrupt and censor you at every turn. Some will preach. Some assume control to get you off topic by recommending other books, myths, philosophers, dogma etc. Others will attempt to stop you with time control, anger, then quit and run.
Some will threaten loss of friendship to get you to stop; to give up Biblical facts in favor of their authority over the topic. They will infer that God has the power to do anything. Biblical debate is lost on some. Most do not want for you or others to know Biblical facts. They want you to obey, repent and conform.
Faith / Belief
Thinkers, interested in the facts, will focus on and debate the topic. They ask Biblical questions to satisfy their desire to know.
Thinkers, however, do little with Biblical knowledge.
What one Christian do you know, would be impacted if sent to this site?
Jesus Christ was probably not an historical character.
No one knows, with certainty, when or where Jesus Christ was born.
The word “Jesus” is of Hebrew origin. The meaning of “Jesus” is “The Lord is salvation”.
“Christ” is the English term – from the Greek term “Christos” or “Khristos” – which means “Messiah” / “The Anointed One”. Because Christ comes from the Greek word for Messiah, Christos, Christ is NOT Jesus’ last name. It is a title given to Him by Christians – expressing their belief that Jesus is the Messiah. The words “Jesus Christ” are often defined as “Savior Anointed”. Jesus Christ could be a nomenclature and not a proper name. Jesus Christ may be a title like “Vice President” rather than a proper name.
Was Jesus Christ a real, historical, flesh and blood Human Being or was Jesus Christ a fictitious character – defined by a title?
Old Testament prophesy: Isaiah 7:14 The “virgin” (almah) shall be with child and his name shall be Immanuel.
In Isaiah’s day, the Hebrew word “almah” meant a young woman / a maiden – not a virgin.
In Hebrew scripture, the word used over 150 times for “Virgin” is “Batulah”.
In Arabic baby names, “Batula” is “Virgin:.
The Hebrew term “Immanuel” means “God With Us”.
So, why is the Messiah’s name Jesus Christ instead of “Immanuel”? In the Bible, Jesus’ mother Mary never called Him “Immanuel”. Who today, besides maybe some preachers, calls Jesus Christ “Immanuel”? Did not Isaiah state: “His name shall be Immanuel.” Does the Bible contradict itself?
Why do most Churches disregard that Jesus Christ’s name should be “Immanuel” as prophesized by Isaiah 7:14?
Pastor Arnold Murray (deceased) insisted that Jesus is a Greek name, not Hebrew. Jesus’ Hebrew name should be pronounced “Yahshua” or “Joshua”.
Doesn’t the Isaiah: 7:14 “prophesy” prove to be bogus concerning Jesus Christ?
356 years before the supposed birth of JesusChrist lived Alexander-the-Great, (Born July 356 BC / Died June 323 BC).
There is a complete history of Alexander-the-Great’s mother, father, their origins and their fates.
Alexander-the-Great
There is no record of Joseph’s or Mary’s fate? Jesus’ grandparents had no Bible-documented interest in Jesus.
How realistic is that? Are you 100% sure that Jesus Christ lived – as described – by the New Testament?
King Herod-the-Great
Holman Bible Dictionary: “King Herod-the-Great” was an actual historical character. The Bible documented that this specific “King Herod-the-Great” is the same King who, in Matthew chapter 2, sent soldiers into Bethlehem to kill all the children 2-years-old in his attempt to kill baby Jesus Christ, the future “King of the Jews”. God warned Joseph in a dream and Jesus, Mary and Joseph escaped to Egypt. So, Jesus’ life was saved.
King Harod-the-Great is documented to have died in 4 BC.
In religious circles, BC is Before Christ.
If King Harod-the-Great died 4 years before Jesus Christ was born, how could he have attempted to kill Jesus Christ? This fact-check suggests that Jesus Christ was born 4-6 years before Himself? Does this matter to you?
The years on our calendar are based on the birth of Jesus Christ.
When challenged about Before Christ, some believers immediately refer to “BCE” to mean Before Current Era.
Why is the birth of Jesus Christ credited for the Calander we use?
The topic taken issue with is “BC”, “Before Christ”. If Jesus was not born on the 1st year AD, what is historically correct about Jesus Christ?
These factors severely weaken the probability that Jesus Christ was a historical character.
The Gospel of Matthew associates the birth of Jesus with the reign of King Herod the Great, who is historically documented to have died in 4 BC / BCE.
Matthew 2:1 Jesus Christ was born in Bethlehem of Judaea in the days of Herod the King and
Luke 1:5 mentions the reign of Herod shortly before the birth of Jesus. Luke’s gospel also describes the birth as taking place during the first census, which is generally believed to have occurred in 6 AD / CE. Most Bible scholars generally assume Jesus Christ’s date of birth to be between 6 and 4 BC / BCE.
The Star In The East
Matthew 2:1-2&9 Wise men came saying: Where is He that is born King of the Jews? For we have seen His star in the east.
The Star in the East
Where are you when you see a Star in the East?
West of Bethlehem lies the Mediterranean Sea. These wise men are reported to have come from the east. Some say they were Persian Kings. A popular old song says they were from the Orient. If these men came from the east, wouldn’t following a star hovering over Bethlehem, be to them, a star in the west? Things that do not make sense are not trivial.
Matthew 1:16 Jacob was the father of Joseph, the husband of Mary…
This Bible introduction of Joseph and Mary starts off with Joseph being Mary’s husband. Doesn’t this introduction that Joseph was Mary’s husband mean that Mary was already married to Joseph?
Then, 2 verses later:
Matthew 1:18 Mary was betrothed (Catholic) espoused (KJV) to Joseph but before they lived together, she was pregnant.
Did Jesus’ grandfather, Joseph’s father (Heli in Luke 3:23 or Jacob in Matthew 1:16) and Joseph’s (no-name) mother ever pay attention to their grandson, Jesus Christ? Isn’t Joseph’s father’s name “Heli” in Luke 3:23 and “Jacob” in Matthew 1:16 a Bible contradiction?
Did “The Virgin Mary’s” mother (Anne), who was the one who had the “Immaculate Conception”, or Mary’s father (Joachim) ever pay attention to their grandson, the “Son-of-God”, Jesus Christ? Jewish families traditionally are known to be close.
Did you ever think of how popular Jesus was NOT with His grandmothers and His grandfathers on both “The Virgin Mary’s” and Joseph’s sides of the family? Has anyone ever been concerned or even considered the non-existent reality of these four (4) missing relationships? Do you have any feelings, comments or ideas concerning Jesus’ lack of family attention?
Do you claim that Mary remained a virgin after the birth of Jesus? If “The Virgin Mary” had even one son, how could you claim that she remained a virgin? Jesus had to pass through Mary’s birth canal. What logic and reason would it take for you to change your belief rather than still claim that Mary maintained her virginity for life?
Also, if “The Virgin Mary” DID maintain her virginity throughout her life, Mary and Joseph were never legally married under Jewish law. Why? Legally, a Jewish marriage must be consummated by sexual intercourse. If Joseph and Mary never had sex, they were never legally married. They must have just “shacked-up”.
Jesus’ parents, Joseph and Mary, were also Biblically documented to have 4 other sons – Judas, Justus, James and Simon and 2 daughters, Assia and Lydia. If this is true, do you still insist that “The Virgin Mary” maintained her virginity? Joseph’s and Mary’s 4 other sons are mentioned in Matthew 12:46; 13:55; Mark 6:3, John 2:12; 7:3, 7:5, 7:10; Acts 1:14; 1 Corinthians 9:5 and Galatians 1:19.
There is no Biblical mention of Joseph bringing children into his marriage to Mary.
God’s Angel Gabriel Called Jesus
A Holy “Thing”
Luke 1:26-35 God’s Angel, Gabriel, told “The Virgin Mary”: You shall conceive a son you shall call Jesus who shall reign over the house of Jacob forever. Mary said to Gabriel: How shall this be, seeing I know not a man? Gabriel said: The Holy Ghost shall come upon you. Therefore, also that “HolyThing” which shall be born of you shall be called the Son of God. KJV
God’s Angel, Gabriel, called baby Jesus a “Holy “thing”!Jesus Christ is a“thing“?
C. Dennis McKinsey: When did Jesus Christ ever reign over the “House of Jacob” / the Jews?
Source: “The Encyclopedia of Biblical Errancy” by C. Dennis McKinsey.
Also, Jesus was documented to be born – “Son of God” – not “God”. Ergo, Jesus is not God.
And, there is no mention that Mary would name Him Immanuel as claimed in Isaiah.
Isaiah 7:14 The “virgin” shall be with child and his name shall be Immanuel.
Colossians 1:15-21 And He (Jesus) is the image of the invisible God, the first-born of all creation.
If Jesus Christ, the Son of God, IS the first-born of all creation, how can Jesus be God?
The firstborn of all creation? Was Jesus Christ created?
If Jesus is God, does this dispel the myth that God can NOT be created?
Bible Contradictions are adding up. Can somebody keep count?
Did Jesus impregnate His own mother Mary?
Who knocked-up the 13-year-old “Virgin Mary”
“THE TRINITY”
The word “Trinity” is nowhere in the Bible
Matthew 28:19 documents the Father, the Son, and the Holy Ghost.
Outside the Bible, over the centuries: “The Father, the Son, and the Holy Ghost” evolved into “The Trinity”.
The Trinity claims that: Jesus is God – God is The Holy Ghost – The Holy Ghost is Jesus.
If Jesus IS the Holy Ghost, then Jesus Christ impregnated His Own mother, Mary, to produce Himself.
Do Christians consider this to be a nice, holy, virtuous, sacred scenario? One must believe that Jesus Christ impregnated “The Virgin Mary” – His own mother – to believe in “The Trinity“. If you are honest, there is no wiggle-room. As angry as that may make you, you cannot have it both ways. The Holy Ghost knocked up Mary. If Jesus Christ is truly “The Holy Ghost” as documented by “The Trinity” doctrine, then it was Jesus Christ who actually “knocked-up” His Own mother, Mary.
More moral and legal controversy: Jesus Christ was conceived out of wedlock. Under Jewish law, Mary had to have sex outside of marriage for this to happen. Under Jewish law, Mary was to be stoned to death. The Bible documents all these things. Most Catholic Clergy don’t deny that this all happened.
If Jesus were anyone else, from a legal and a moral standpoint, wouldn’t this birth be considered “illegitimate”? Throughout history, have righteous, holier-than-thou, Judeo-Christians ever ridiculed males – born out of wedlock – by calling them “bastards”? Of course, Christian believers would insist that the term “Bastard” could never apply to Jesus. But would the term “bastard” apply if this “thing” that was mentioned by God’s Angel, Gabriel, if it were not Jesus Christ?
Jesus of Nazareth
No undisputed record of what Jesus Christ looked like is known to exist.
“Jesus of Nazareth” (c 4 BC/BCE – c 30 AD / CE) – also known as “Jesus Christ” or occasionally Jesus the Christ – Who is the central figure of Christianity.
“IMMACULATE CONCEPTION”
Webster’s International & Oxford American Dictionaries
The “Immaculate Conception” is a doctrine of the Roman Catholic Church in that the Virgin Mary, from the moment of her conception by her mother, was and remained free of original sin. This was proclaimed as dogma by Pope Pious IX in 1854.
The “Immaculate Conception” is often confused with Mary giving “virgin birth” to Jesus Christ.
“Immaculate Conception”
Wikipedia, the free Encyclopedia
The “Immaculate Conception” is, according to Roman Catholic Dogma. Mary lived a life completely free from sin.
Mary’s immaculate conception in the womb of her mother, through sexual intercourse, should not be confused with the doctrine of the virginal conception of her son known as the Virgin Birth of Jesus Christ.
Remember: The “Immaculate Conception” has to do with “The Virgin Mary’s” Mother.
Webster’s: “Virgin Birth” (Parthenogenesis): In Christian theology, Jesus Christ was born to Mary without prejudice to her virginity. Mary was Jesus’ only human (genetic) parent. With no male Human DNA contributed, by modern scientific standards, Jesus must have been a clone of Mary.
If Jesus Christ is genetically qualified to be a clone of “The Virgin Mary”, wouldn’t Jesus Christ have been born female?
A Human Being has 23 Chromosomes from Mom + 23 Chromosomes from Dad = 46 Chromosomes.
According to “The Virgin Birth” claim, Jesus, can only have twenty-three (23) Human chromosomes which were passed down from His mother, Mary. If it takes forty-six (46) Human chromosomes to fully qualify to be a Human Being, how can Jesus Christ fully qualify to be a Human Being? The Biblical God and the Holy Ghost claim not to be to be Human. Doesn’t Jesus Christ have to be fully Human, and to be sacrificed as a “perfect” Human Being for the “salvation” of all Humanity? If Jesus Christ is not a full and perfect Human Being, does that in any way disqualify the insane, sacrifice agenda that the Biblical God predestined, pre-planned, preordained, intended, orchestrated and executed? Was Jesus Christ, the Son of God, the only Human Being that God Murdered in the New Testament?
Mary and Joseph were both Jewish. Mary and Joseph were living together while not legally married before the birth of Jesus Christ.
Jewish law does require: For a Jewish marriage to be legal, sexual intercourse must consummate the marriage.
Catholics claim that Mary remained a virgin for life.
Again, logically, how can any woman physically remain a virgin if a child came through her vaginal birth canal? There is no mention of Jesus Christ being born by cesarean section.
Again, if Mary remained a virgin, where did Jesus’ brothers James, Joses, Judas and Simon come from? There is no Biblical C&V claim or evidence that Mary’s husband, Joseph, brought children into their marriage. And, as important as Joseph is in Jesus’ story, there is no Bible C&V documentation of Joseph’s death nor Mary’s death. Why?
Luke 2:7 & John 2:12 provided evidence that Jesus had brothers and sisters.
A somewhat redundant question: If “The Virgin Mary” did sexually consummate her marriage with Joseph to make the marriage legal and she had 6 more children, how could Mary have remained a virgin?
If “The Virgin Mary” did not “sexually consummate” her marriage with Joseph – then – they were not married under the law. This cannot be over-emphasized.
“The Virgin Birth” is Biblical absurdity! Faith (nonsense) apparently can be stretched to infinity.
Insanity is contagious.
Mark 6:3 Is He (Jesus) not the son of Mary, the brother of James, Joses, Judas and Simon?
Would a Christian believer ever admit that the Bible contradicts itself?
C. Dennis McKinsey: Christianity stands or falls upon The Virgin Birth and The Resurrection of Jesus Christ.
Let’s test the logical and reasonable integrity of:
The Resurrection?
Matthew 12:40 Jesus prophesied: For as Jonas was 3 days and 3 nights in the whale’s belly so shall the Son of Man be 3 days and 3 nights in the heart of the Earth. KJV
Question: How can Jesus Christ’s burial on “Good Friday” afternoon and Jesus’ resurrection before daybreak “Easter Sunday” qualify to be 3 days and 3 nights as prophesied by Jesus?
Did Jesus Resurrect From His Grave
After 3 Days And 3 Nights?
Let’s catch up with Joseph, Mary and Baby Jesus:
Matthew 1:19 Joseph was minded to put Mary away (kill her) privately. KJV
What? Joseph, at one time, was thinking of killing Mary?
Matthew 1:19 Joseph, at one point, had decided to divorce Mary quietly. Catholic
Divorce is serious, but in this case, divorce is not necessary if Joseph and Mary were not yet married.
Matthew 1:19 is one C&V example whereby the KJV and the Catholic versions do state different things. The KJV states that Joseph thought to kill Mary; whereby, the Catholic version has Joseph deciding to quietly divorce Mary.
Concerning the topic of “DIVORCE” – according to Jeremiah 3:8: The Biblical God is a divorcee.
The Biblical God issued a “bill of divorce” to Israel due to her infidelity and worshipping of other gods.
Anyone who gives or receives a “bill of divorce” is a divorcee.
Ergo, the Biblical God, Himself, is Biblically documented to be a divorcee. Because most Catholics rarely study or read their Bible, how many Catholics know this? Because this Bible C&V exists concerning the Catholic Church’s God-Model, why is the Catholic Church against divorce? All Christian believers want to be God-like – don’t they?
Mark 10:11-12 Jesus broke with God’s divorce law and preached, no divorce.
Concerning divorce, do Catholics believe Jesus or do they believe God?
Is it Jesus or is it God who sends us to Hell and “Eternal Torment”? If God judges you to go to Hell and Jesus is your savior, how does that work if Jesus-the-Son, and God-the-Father, are one and the same?
Two Catholic Bible Notes:
Bible Note 1. The genetic line is broken, but the promises to David are fulfilled. Through Joseph’s ADOPTION, the child, Jesus, belongs to the line of David.
What? Adoption? I Bible does not say anything about adoption. What is this Catholic Bible Note saying?
Jesus Christ’s blood-tie to King David is now being claimed, spun-off & pacified to be by “adoption”?
Both Matthew 1:6-16 & Luke 3:23-31 show two conflicting / contradictory / genetic lineages from King David to Jesus Christ – through Joseph.
Can you explain how King David’s bloodline can go through Joseph?
Bible Note 2. Joseph wished to break his union with Mary whom he suspected of a gross violation of the law which was punishable by stoning one to death.
Wow! What have these two (2) Catholic Bible Notes documented?
Bible Note 1 is ridiculous. Bible Note 2 is murderous.
Were Angels Gabriel & Michael God’s Death Angels?
Questions:
What qualifies a man or woman to be an Atheists?
Concerning Jesus Christ and the Biblical God – is there only one God?
Was Jesus Christ “The One God of Abraham”?
Who considers Jesus Christ to be “The One God of Abraham”?
Did Abraham know and identify Jesus Christ to be his one God?
Did Moses and / or King David speak about Jesus Christ being their one God?
Do the Jewish and Muslims religions deny that Jesus Christ is God?
Are all Jews and Muslims considered to be Atheists by Christians?
If you do NOT believe in Allah, who IS also the One-God of Abraham, does Islam consider you to be an Atheist?
Perspectives from TV: “Mysteries Of The Bible”
Nazareth, today, is hallowed by Christians as the home of Jesus Christ. The Church of the Annunciation has for centuries been one of Christianity’s holy sites. The church was built on the site of the house of Mary and Joseph.
The Church of the Annunciation
Luke 1:36 (The Angel, Gabriel, said to Mary): Elizabeth, your relative, in her old age, is in her 6th month having conceived a son…
Mary’s mother’s name is Anne, the one with “The Immaculate Conception”.
Anne’s sister is Elizabeth.
Elizabeth’s pregnancy resulted in the birth of John-the-Baptist.
John-the-Baptist was Jesus Christ’s 6-month-older cousin.
John taught that people should repent and be baptized so that their sins would be forgiven by God.
John also preached that the Messiah would come and baptize them with the Holy Spirit, which was a far greater baptism than John could do.
So, was it a coincidence that John-the-Baptist and Jesus Christ were cousins just 6-months apart in age? John-the-Baptist later baptized Jesus Christ. Because Mary’s relative, Elizabeth, was John-the-Baptist’s mother, wasn’t this becoming a family orchestrated affair? How many believe that Jesus Christ and John-the-Baptist were strangers when they met?
John-the-Baptist
The Cave of the Annunciation is where the Angel, Gabriel, announced to Mary about her conception of Jesus Christ. The Cave of the Annunciation is thought to be the dwelling place of the holy family, which lies beneath the church.
Was Mary already living with Joseph when Gabriel made his announcement?
Program comment: The very idea of a “virgin birth” by Human Beings is something that transcends our scientific understanding.
In Bethlehem, there is The Church of the Nativity beneath which was a cave where Christ was supposedly born. For centuries, Christians have revered it as the birthplace of their Lord. Outside is “Manger Square”. A silver star marks the place where Jesus was said to be born. A Latin inscription says: Here Jesus Christ was born of The Virgin Mary.
Finis: Mysteries of the Bible.
Galatians 4:4 KJV Paul said: Jesus was made of a woman made under the law.
Galatians 4:4 Catholic Paul said: Jesus was born of a woman born under the law.
Paul was the 1st and biggest New Testament writer about Jesus Christ. Paul said nothing unusual about the birth of Jesus. Doesn’t “born under the law” mean that Mary had married Joseph, had sexual intercourse with Joseph and bore Jesus legitimately under the law?
Mark, the 1st and earliest gospel writer of the 4, said nothing unusual about the birth of Jesus. Did Matthew and Luke read into Mark 1:11: God said: You are my beloved son in whom I am well pleased and then back up their own made-up stories to include a virgin birth? Did Matthew write about it first? Did Luke then plagiarize this “virtual reality” from Matthew?
Did the OT prophecies speak to the NT writers loud and clear? One prophecy was: The Messiah would be a descendant of King David, one of Israel’s greatest leaders who was born in Bethlehem. To fulfill these ancient prophecies, it may have seemed right to the gospel writers to place the birth of Jesus in Bethlehem. But is the prophecy being fulfilled or is the questionable myth of Jesus Christ being written to fulfill prophecy? Some think that Jesus was born in a cave. Luke says Jesus was laid in a manger but does not say He was born there.
Revelation 22:16 Jesus said: I am the root and the offspring of David…
Jesus’ Bloodline Lineage?
Both Matthew 1:1-16 and Luke 3:23-31 conflict in Joseph’s lineage in being a bloodline descendant of King David. The lineage is stated to be through Joseph’s blood in both cases – not “The Virgin” Mary’s blood lineage. How can any Clergy justify Bible C&V contradictions? How can Jesus be a bloodline descendant of King David if the genes had to go through Joseph as it is written twice in both Matthew and Luke? The blood / genes did NOT go from King David through Joseph to produce Jesus Christ. Starting with David’s sons, Solomon and Nathan – both sons by Bathsheba – why are the names not the same in each lineage? Again, no Biblical C&V claims that the bloodline lineage is through Mary? Does the Bible prove to be irrational, nonsensical and flawed concerning this matter? At best, the issue of Jesus’ Bible bloodline lineage is contradictory.
C. Dennis McKinsey (March 5th 1940-June 23rd 2009): If Joseph was not the genetic father of Jesus Christ, then Jesus could not have been of King David’s seed; thus, not the Messiah. Ergo, Christians must abandon either “The Virgin Birth” or that Jesus was “The Messiah”. If the virgin birth is bogus, is anything else written about Jesus trustworthy? If Jesus is not virgin-born, then how can He be God?”
C. Dennis McKinsey was my mentor. I served on his write-in Q & A panel for a few years.
In The Old Testament, Tamar, Rahab-the-Harlot and Ruth are all in King David’s and Jesus Crist’s bloodline. Tamar and Rahab-the-Harlot sold sex and Ruth gave sex before marriage to her relative Boaz. All 3 women had children who are in King David’s and Jesus Christ’s bloodline.
Luke 2:52 Jesus increased in wisdom and stature, and in favor with God and man.
What? Jesus increased wisdom and stature so to be in favor with God? Then, Jesus was not always omnipotent and certainly, He was not God.
Mark 2:10 Jesus said: You may know that The Son of Man has the power / authority to forgive sins.
The Jews considered this to be blasphemy. Yes, it contributed to Jesus being crucified. Do Jews claim there to be any valid history concerning Jesus? If so, let’s see the quality and the source of the Jewish documentation. Let’s see how many Jewish Rabbis would support such documentation. The Jewish writer, Josephus, wrote briefly about Jesus. Josephus was born years after Jesus had been crucified and, like Paul, certainly never personally met Jesus in the flesh.
Mark 2:17 & Luke 5:31 Jesus said: Those who are healthy and well do NOT need a physician, but the sick DO.
What? Didn’t Jesus Christ say, right here, that “the sick DO need a physician”?
Colossians 4:14 Luke was a physician.
Luke was also born a Greek gentile.
Dr. Luke was a Greek Gentile
Concerning physicians, why do Christian Scientists ignore these last 2 Bible C&V passages and avoid physicians? Don’t Christian Scientists believe Jesus Christ’s own words? Don’t they believe in His apostle, “Saint Luke”?
Do Christian Scientists pick and choose what Bible C&Vs to believe in and what C&Vs do not matter?
Truth, feelings and learning may be subjective while objective C&V facts are the same for everybody. The Bible’s own words will not conveniently go away for truth-spinning apologists & mindset believers.
John 3:13 Jesus said: No one has gone up to Heaven except the One who has come down from Heaven, the Son of Man.
Jesus Christ was the Son of Man. But, when Jesus said this, Jesus, Himself, had not yet gone up to Heaven. If Jesus, Himself, is the only one to have gone up to Heaven, doesn’t that contradict and eliminate Enoch’s going up to Heaven in Genesis 5:22-24 and Elijah’s going up to Heaven in a whirlwind in II Kings 2:11 and Angels going up and down, to and from Heaven on “Jacob’s Ladder” in Genesis 28:12? So, did Jesus Christ utter another falsehood and get caught documenting another lie?
Note: The Angels, going up and down Jacob’s ladder, are depicted not to have wings.
Mark 3:20-22 Jesus came home. His relatives set out to seize Jesus. They said that Jesus was out of His mind and was possessed by Satan.
Jesus Christ’s own relatives said: 1. “Jesus was out of His mind”. 2. “Jesus was possessed by Satan”. Jesus had been around His own relatives for years and He obviously did not sell even His relatives on His “Son of God” status. These are two very shocking, Bible testimonies! What kind of documented, Biblical C&V testimonies did Jesus Christ’s blood relatives give Him? Hark! Jesus was NOT believed-in nor accepted by His own relatives. They said that Jesus was insane, and they demonized Him!
Mark 3:29 Jesus said: Whoever blasphemes against The Holy Spirit will never have forgiveness but is guilty of everlasting sin.
According to Mark 3:29, Jesus’ relatives definitely sinned. If Jesus Christ is God and “The Holy Spirit”, it is obvious that Jesus’ relatives have committed the “unpardonable and everlasting sin”. Won’t Jesus’ relatives be condemned to Hell for Eternal-Torment?
James 2:10 He who keeps God’s commandments but breaks even 1, breaks them all.
Note: This writer, James was Jesus Christ’s brother. Jesus must have gained favor with James after Jesus was crucified.
Btw, is Jesus Christ’s forgiveness conditional or is Jesus’ forgiveness not conditional? Based on Jesus’ statement in Mark 3:29, how can one have it both ways?
John 3:16 For God so loved the world, that He gave His only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in Him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
Yes! John 3:16 is an accurate and descriptive summery of the perfect, loving, compassionate, and totally “just and fair” God of the Holy Bible.
But, for all who have eyes to see and ears to hear – God is documented by C&V – that God, Himself, personally arranged for “His only begotten Son” to be tortured and murdered personally for your salvation – and the rest of Humanity. Of course, if you are infected by “The Holy Spirit” virus, you will be blind and deaf to the reality of this evil, murderous agenda.
Jesus Christ, the “Holier than Thou”, opportunist, obviously had a great dose of “The God Virus”. Jesus committed “suicide by cross” because Jesus bought into God’s promise that He would come back to life and be the ultimate, authoritative King over everybody – forever and ever. After all, Jesus always had His documented “transfigured body” that He could escape to during any painful period of time. Didn’t He? Typically, nice, pure-hearted, empathetic and wholesome Christian believers demand and insist that Jesus suffered every precious moment of pain and agony while on the cross – because they are worth it. No, seriously. Christians say: “Thank you, Jesus, for suffering and dying for Me!” If a Christian could get more people to die for him or her, would they feel even more important?
Ah, the wholesomeness, niceness and sweetness of the Christian mentality.
John 3:36 Jesus said: Whoever believes in the Son has Eternal Life, but whoever disobeys the Son will not see life, but the wrath of God remains upon him. Catholic
This confirms that “believes in” is “obeying” and that Jesus wants to be obeyed. And, if you and I disobey Jesus Christ, we will not see life and the wrath of God will be upon us.
Can you define blackmail?
Jesus demands obedience. If you do not believe in, obey, support, promote (and finance) Jesus Christ, you will get “God’s Wrath” – which is “Death and Eternal-Torment? If this is the case, doesn’t Jesus Christ, Himself, prove to be a sadistic tyrant? The Bible “character” Satan (fictional or not) amounts to the hyped-up, best supporting “extra” in this evil, insane production.
Satan: God’s Best Supporting Extra
Hollywood’s Western Costume Co. at its best.
Obedience, service and sacrifice to authority – this is the real agenda of the Biblical God-game. “God” and “Authority” are synonymous and interchangeable in every Biblical context. Test it. God’s behavior: I am the value. I am the authority. I am entitled. God’s behavior is identical to the Human Ego’s behavior: I am the value. I am the authority. I am entitled. Analyze this until you get it – or not.
Remember Mark 3:21-22 Jesus’ relatives set out to seize Him stating that Jesus was out of His mind.
John 8:48 The Jews said to Jesus: Do we not say rightly that You have a Demon?
What? The Jews also accused Jesus of having a demon.
Mark 3:32-35 The crowd told Jesus: Your mother, brothers and sisters are outside, and they are asking for You. Jesus said: Who are my mother, brothers and sisters? Here are my mother, brothers and sisters for whoever does the will of God is my mother, brothers and sisters. Catholic
This indicates that Jesus’ mother, brothers and sisters were actually rejected by Jesus because they did not do the will of God. Jesus proved to prefer the company of those who listened to Him over His own family. He certainly did not publicly show is family much respect or love. Whatchathink?
Mark 4:11-12 Jesus said to His 12 disciples: The mystery of the Kingdom has been granted to you. To those outside, everything comes in parables so that they may not understand in order that they may not be converted and forgiven. Catholic
Does Jesus Christ admit that there are some Human Beings that Jesus does NOT want converted and forgiven? What? Jesus does not want them to be saved. If not, why the secrets? Did Jesus also grant the Kingdom of Heaven to Judas Iscariot when He said this? Does Jesus speak to everyone outside of his 12 disciples in a manner that they may not understand? Does Jesus talk to them in a way that they cannot be converted or forgiven? God often did the same thing in The Old Testament. Here are some examples:
I Kings 22:19-23 God permits His prophets to lie and deceive others on His behalf. God put a lying spirit in the mouths of all these prophets…
What? Do you personally believe in and preach these sacred Chapter & Verses?
How about this one?
Ezekiel 20:25-28 God said: I gave them statutes and ordinances that were not good so they could not live.
Wouldn’t you think that your Biblical God, your creator, would be more decent to you than that?
II Thessalonians 2:11-12 God is sending them a deceiving power so that they may believe the lie, that all who approved wrongdoing may be condemned.
John 4:22 Jesus said: You people worship what you do not understand. We worship what we understand, because salvation is of the Jews. KJV
What? Salvation is a racial thing? Didn’t Jesus make a bigoted, racial statement?
Mark 4:34 To His Own disciples Jesus explained everything in private.
To His Own Disciples Jesus Explained Everything in Private
Again, why the secrets if Jesus is good, open, transparent, sincere and honest? By Bible C&V, what kind of “models of integrity” are Jesus and God projecting themselves to be? How can institutions like West Point, Annapolis and the Air Force Academy expect to live up to a higher standard than God’s and Jesus’ C&V standards?
Galatians 5:16-18 Paul said: Live by the spirit and you will not fulfill the lusts of your flesh. The flesh desires against the spirit and the spirit against the flesh; these are opposed to each other so you may not do what you want. If you are guided by the spirit, you are not under the law.
What? Paul said: If you are guided by the spirit, you are not under the law? So, if you are on God’s side, you can break the law? If you are guided by “the (Holy Spirit”), you are not under the law? Aren’t these Biblical guidelines designed for poor mental-health and penitentiary living?
Thomas Paine: Outside of the New Testament writings, there is no history written at the time Jesus Christ is said to have lived that speaks of the existence of such a person, even as a man.
So, Thomas Paine asserts that, on behalf of history, Jesus Christ never lived as a man! Wow! That is apt to frustrate some believers.
Thomas Paine
Remember Josephus? He was a documented, historical, Jewish writer. Many scholars view that the few elementary statements Josephus is credited to have written about Jesus may have been added by later scribes to falsely and validate the questionable and mythical existence of Jesus Christ.
Are these C&V passages surprising and controversial to you? Be honest! How do you feel about them?
Believers have said: I am totally upset. I don’t know how anybody can take such issues with my Jesus, my God and my Bible. I’m totally offended! You’re going to Hell!
Don’t re-cycle your dogma and belief. Question your way out of any confusion, anger or depression. Can you trust yourself and ask the questions the brainwashed, mindset believer dares not ask?
John 5:18 The Jews tried to kill Jesus because He not only broke the Sabbath, but He also called God His Own Father, making Himself equal to God.
If Jesus is stated to be “equal to” God, then, how can Jesus actually be God? In reality, how can any father and son be, in reality, the same entity?
John 5:19-300 Jesus said: A son can’t do anything on his own, only what he sees his father do, for what he does his son will do also. (What about the medical doctor, brain-surgeon, whose father sold cars?) Just as the Father raises the dead so does the Son give life to whomever He wishes. (What? Jesus “wishes” and does discriminate?) Whoever honors the Son honors the Father and whoever does not honor the Son does not honor the Father. (So, one cannot honor God without Jesus? No wonder Muslims, Jews and numerous other believers are upset.) Whoever hears Me and believes in God has Eternal-Life and not condemnation. The hour is now here when the dead will hear the voice of Jesus and those who hear will live. God gave Jesus the power to exercise judgment, because He is The Son of Man. (But, God is NOT a man!) The hour comes when all who are in the tombs will hear His voice and will come out. The good deeds earn the resurrection of life; wicked deeds bring condemnation. I cannot do anything on My own. I judge as I hear. I don’t seek My Own will but the will of God.
Jesus judges deeds! Jesus seeks God’s will, not His Own? Again, by Jesus’ own words, how can Jesus be God?
John 5:21-22 As God raises the dead and gives life, so does the Son give life to whomever He wishes. Nor does God judge anyone, but He has given all judgment to His Son.
What? God judges no one? It is Jesus Christ who discriminates, judges, picks and chooses and determines who goes to Heaven and if you are to go into Hell’s Eternal-Torment? Did you know that, according to the words of Jesus Christ, Jesus judges you and God does not? And then you read:
John 8:15 & 12:47 Jesus said: I judge no man. KJV
Oops. How would a fundamentalist preacher explain this Bible contradiction? And, what believer says that the Bible has not ONE contradiction? Well technically, he or she would be right about that.
John 6:64-70 Jesus knew from the beginning who would not believe Him and who would betray Him. No one can come to Me unless he is chosen by God. As a result, many of His disciples left Him. Jesus said: Do you also want to leave? Did I not choose you twelve? Yet is not one of you a devil?
It is all predestined? But first, Jesus said God does the choosing. Then Jesus asked: Did I not choose you twelve? Jesus lost many? Why? Couldn’t Jesus hold their respect or attention? Hearing him personally, didn’t they believe in Jesus? Jesus chose a devil, Judas? Why would Jesus do that? If God is in control and it is all predestined, including Jesus’ sacrifice, why would a good, nice, knowledgeable, secure, compassionate, loving God put Humanity, including His own Son, through such a heinous, horrible and painful scenario? How can believers support such an insane Character? Did Jesus order Judas to have Him captured, tortured and crucified? Could Judas be condemned for fulfilling Jesus’ and God’s pre-planned will?
Mark 3:5 Jesus, looking around at them with anger…
Tsk, tsk. Jesus Christ has a temper.
Matthew 5:22 Jesus said: Whoever is angry with his brother will be liable to judgment.
What? Do as I say – not as I do?
Matthew 5:22 Jesus said: Whoever says “you fool” will be liable to fiery Gehenna. Catholic
Matthew 23:17 & Luke 11:40 Jesus refers to others as fools.
If Jesus’ statement is true, then, Jesus will be in Gehenna / Hell along with the rest of us.
Bible Dictionary: Gehenna – NT Hell – OT “Valley of Hinnom”, a place of burning torment and misery located near Jerusalem and where children were sacrificed to God. Catholic BN.
What? This Catholic Bible Note says children were sacrificed to God – not to Moab or other gods. How would a fundamentalist spin this?
Gehenna / Valley of Hinnom
John 5:34 Jesus said: I do not accept testimony from a Human Being. Catholic
What? Then – how does Jesus Christ’s not accepting Human testimony affect prayer? Calling all believers – did you know this? Check out John 5:34 for yourself. Even the KJV says it in its “Old English” way. You do believe every word of the “Holy Bible” – don’t you?
Mark 5:27-30 A woman touched Jesus’ cloak. Jesus was aware, at once, that power had gone out from Him.
A Woman touched Jesus The power went out from Him
What? Doesn’t this C&V mean that Jesus had conditional, limited, depleting and uncontrollable power? Doesn’t this mean than a Human Being can control and deplete Jesus’ power? If this Bible C&V is factual, what else can it possibly mean?
Matthew 5:28 Jesus said: Everyone who looks at a woman with lust has already committed adultery with her in his heart.
President Jimmy Carter seemed to have generated a guilty conscience concerning this Bible C&V.
Matthew 5:29 Jesus said: If your right eye causes you to sin, tear it out, throw it away. It is better to lose one of your members than to have your whole body thrown into Gehenna.
Wow! Jesus promoted insane and painful violence! Mom? Are you sure you want your child to do everything Jesus said? You won’t mind if your teenage son tears one of his eyes out because he felt “lust in his heart” for a pretty young girl – would you? What would you have him do if he felt lust for another boy? I know, how dare you ask such a question?
Luke 12:5 Jesus said: I shall show you Who to fear. Be afraid of the One who after killing (you) has the power to cast (you) into Gehenna; yes, I tell you, be afraid of that One. Catholic
Why would Jesus emphasize Gehenna, the place of child-sacrifice to make His points? Isn’t Jesus showing you right here to be afraid of God or to fear Jesus, Himself? Jesus’ Gehenna / Hell, was a fiery pit outside Jerusalem and is now long extinct. Then Hell too is history and no longer exists. Some don’t want it that way, you say. Why the Gehenna not?
Pastor Arnold Murray claims: “The Lake of Fire” is “God the consuming fire”. “Hell” does not exist until after “The End Time” when Jesus Christ returns and executes all Human life on Earth; then “The Millennium” and finally “Judgment Day”.
After “Judgment Day” is the time when God and / or Jesus sends you to Heaven to worship God 24 / 7 forever or to Hell’s “Eternal-Torment”.
Pastor Arnold Murray claims that nobody who has lived and died is in Hell at this time.
Revelation: 21 & 22 “Heaven” will be a 3-mile cube located where Jerusalem is today. Jesus will be the King of Heaven.
John’s book of Revelation is by far the most insane book in the Bible.
God IS The Lake of Fire
2 Corinthians 8:9 Paul wrote: For you know that, though Jesus was rich, for your sakes He (Jesus) became poor…
Whoever would have thought that the Bible documented that at one time Jesus was rich? So, when was Jesus Christ rich and with all those women financing Him when di He became poor? People who are suicidal do tend to give their possessions away. Jesus also became a model for those who cannot handle saving / keeping their money.
Luke 8:3 Women provided financial support for Jesus.
What? The Bible documents that Jesus Christ was financed by women! I’ve heard of gigolos before but, now I’ve documented it all. Jesus Christ was financed by women. Did you know that Mr. Preacher?
Mindset believers can NOT question their beliefs. The paradox is if they DO question their belief, they prove NOT to believe it. Therefore, mindset believers can NOT learn the controversial Bible C&Vs.
John 5:31 Jesus said: If I bear witness of Myself, My witness is not true. KJV
What? Holy Jesus! What is Jesus Christ saying here about Himself? Does Jesus admit to being a liar when bearing witness of Himself? How would you explain what Jesus is documented to have said?
Matthew 11:19 The Son of Man came eating and drinking and they said: Look, He (Jesus Christ) is a glutton and a drunkard…. Catholic & KJV
What? Who, right here, is accused of being a drunkard? Jesus is accused of being a glutton and a drunkard? What a reputation? Obviously, Jesus did love His wine.
WHAT has been generously supplied for those who are still too afraid to question.
Luke 5:39 Jesus said: No one who has been drinking old wine desires new, for Jesus says: The old is good.
This strongly suggests that Jesus desired old wine – the good stuff! How does this Bible C&V fit into the Alcohol Anonymous 12-step program?
John 5:41 Jesus said: I do not accept human praise… Catholic
Jesus Said: I Do Not Accept Human Praise
What! Do the people who praise Jesus Christ know about John 5:41? Have you ever praised Jesus? Do you believe Jesus’ words in John 5:41 or will you continue to praise and honor Jesus?
John 5:45 Jesus said: I will not accuse you. The one who will accuse you is Moses…
What? What? Moses? This is ridiculous! Where else is this ever claimed? What church preaches this? So – who accuses you? God? Jesus? The Jews? Moses? The Saints? How would an English or a Law Professor rate John’s writing? He is literally all over the place.
And unfortunately – Insanity IS Contagious.
Romans 11:6 And if by grace, then is it no more of works: otherwise, grace is no more grace. But if it be of works, then is it no more grace: otherwise, work is no more work. KJV
Does anybody understand this KJV C&V? Does this require super-spin to gain any sense out of these words? What written KJV C&V better qualifies as Biblical nonsense and idiocy than Romans 11:6?
Mark 6:4-7 Jesus couldn’t do many miracles in His homeland due to their lack of faith.
Must Jesus have a non-familiar audience before His “miracles” can successfully be performed? This certainly shows some of Jesus’ limitations. Who really knew Jesus better than the people in his home land. It inferred that those who truly knew Jesus didn’t much believe in or follow Him. What else could it mean?
Mark 6:10 Jesus said: Wherever you enter a house, stay there until you leave from there. Catholic
Isn’t this Catholic version a somewhat strange C&V? I guess a “believer” would understand and obey Jesus’ command. Ah, I checked. The KJV version is just as bad.
Mark 6:11 Jesus said: When a place does not welcome or listen to you, leave there, shake the dust from your feet in testimony against them.
Does Jesus mean: If you don’t get your way with people, to testify against and oppose them? Jesus is obviously not happy when He does not get His way.
If You Are Not Welcome – Testify Against Them?
Is Jesus Christ “The Son of God”?
John 10:36 Jesus Christ said: Say ye of him, whom the Father hath sanctified, and sent into the world, thou blasphemes; because I said, I am the Son of God? KJV
Some believers insist that Jesus never claimed to be “The Son of God” because John 10:36 is in question form.
Q: If Jesus Christ did not claim to be “The Son of God” then why do you claim that Jesus is “The Son of God”?
How many believers would claim that Jesus said: Say of Me, God sanctified and sent Me into the world. You claim that I blasphemed because “I said” (I did say): “I am The Son of God”?
Or, maybe Jesus Christ did claim to be “The Son of God”.
Q: If Jesus Christ is “The Son of God” – then – how can Jesus Christ be God, Himself?
This work focuses on selected controversial Bible C&V passages. Paraphrased? Yes. If they were not paraphrased, it would be 4-5 times longer – and boring. Mindset believers will not read this stuff because they can NOT question it. Many, who learn some of these concentrated C&V facts become afraid, not bored. It often triggers thought where thought has not been before. This work gives you most of its C&V sources. This is not a work of perfection. Neither are the Bibles perfect – that this work takes issue with. The King James, Catholic Bibles and over 20 other brands of Bibles I’ve seen don’t always use the exact same words, but they do basically say the same things, Chapter & Verse.
Is the Biblical God the fear-based model behind the horrible and destructive history of mankind? For a few short years starting about 1983, I was a licensed, ordained Christian minister in Los Angeles. Then, I started my personal discovery process, Initially, I felt hurt by what the Bible’s words said, and I was shocked by what they meant. My research had many starts and stops. In attempting to cover this material, you may experience surprise, shock, frustration, anger, confusion, anxiety and depression. Some, who are out of touch with Biblical reality, consider it a joke. Some mindset believers say that I’m nuts or insane because I take issue with the Bible and its God. Insults are often used when debating skills are limited. When you consider the vast centuries of religion (fear-programming) our past-down genes must have absorbed, it becomes a little obvious why most people fearfully avoid learning about their controversial Bible and its God.
Is The Bible A Terrorist Handbook for Mankind?
Richard Dawkins has written an accurate description of the Biblical God in his book The God Delusion.
The God of the Old Testament is arguably the most unpleasant character in all fiction: jealous and proud of it; a petty, unjust, unforgiving control freak; a vindictive, blood thirsty ethnic cleanser, a misogynistic, homophobic, racist, infanticide, pestilential, megalomaniacal, sadomasochistic, capriciously malevolent bully.
I wish I could write like that.
Using much fewer brain cells and definitely simpler words, I view that:
The God of the Bible is not a good God and the Bible is not a good model for Humanity.
I sense that it is time for the Biblical God to go. Cut off the church tithes and He would be retired like the 18,000 other Gods that have been feared and worshipped throughout mankind’s history.
From thinking to doing: To evaluate this investigation, get out a Bible and see how much you can handle. Every time I threw up my hands and quit, I found myself in some form of angry denial. To get through this research, I had to put my ego in my pocket. When I didn’t, I tended to jump on everything – format, context, interpretation, Biblical source and denial of the stated facts, in favor of my own hopes, idealism, and feel-good fantasies. Again, up front, the different Bibles versions do not always say exactly the same thing, chapter and verse. In my work, the Bible C&V source concerning a particular passage is almost always indicated: KJV, Catholic, Torah etc.
I found to seek truth, justice and reality, there was little room for loyalty, patriotism, love, friendship, rank or respect. I decided, for success, to be on the side of reality. Facts and evidence concerning the Bible, lies within the words written, and their factual meanings; again, not within my idealism nor feel-good fantasies. The words of these Bibles just will not go away. I often wanted to write-off all damning evidence in an imaginative way and protect my “sacred beliefs” (programmed feelings) by avoiding the topic.
Do we seek the Bible C&V facts, or do we tend to cower to fear-based, nasty, and often evil programming?
When I mustered the courage to point out some of these selected Bible passages to others, I quickly found that it often triggered their wrath. Granted, some were fascinated with my find. Others waged an attitude. I asked some of them:
Why are you upset?
Do the selected, controversial Bible C&Vs say what they mean and mean what they say?
What do you want them to mean?
Are you upset because these passages do exist in your Bible?
Are you upset because these passages were pointed out to you?
Are you upset because you can NOT successfully defend these controversial passages?
Secret: You must not believe, support, promote or finance these controversial Bible C&V passages to gain the capacity to defeat them.
In 1982, the beginning of this research, I could not be critical of the Bible nor question its God. I asked myself if I was categorically brainwashed and mind-set because I couldn’t question nor be critical of my commitments. It seemed that I often wanted to quit and run. To be honest, I often did quit and run. Continuing this research on the Bible and its God was probably the hardest thing I’ve ever done. Now, I’m not scared anymore, but throughout my education, I have had my moments. I do hope it goes easier for you. GWD
Are you Personally Afraid to Investigate and learn what the Bible really documents?
Matthew 6:24 Jesus said: No one can serve 2 masters. He will either hate one and love the other or be devoted to one and despise the other.
Isn’t Jesus living and teaching hate, division and discrimination?
Matthew 6:25&34 Jesus said: Don’t worry about your life or about your body. Don’t worry about tomorrow; tomorrow will take care of itself. Catholic
Have you ever heard any parents tell this to their kids? Would you tell this to your kids? Why do Christians pay for an education? Do you believe that Jesus Christ told you this?
Luke 6:27-37 Jesus said: Love your enemies. Do good to those who hate you. Bless those who curse you. Pray for those who mistreat you. When struck, offer the other cheek. If they take your cloak, offer your tunic. If one takes it, don’t demand it back. Do onto others as you would have them do unto you. Stop judging and you will not be judged.
I have been often got hurt when I made decisions without judgment. With mean opportunists and predators and conmen, one’s lack of judgment may lead to mistreatment, violence, theft or worse.
Matthew 7:6 Jesus said: Do not give what is holy to dogs or throw your pearls before swine…
Poor debaters often use this C&V as a parting insult when they can’t win their Bible C&V debate.
Do Not Throw Your Pearls Before Swine
Highly financed preachers put out Bible C&Vs to millions of people every week. There are only a few who take issue with some of the C&Vs the preachers preach. Fire and Brimstone Preachers used to preach the controversial Bible C&Vs with authoritative pride. They are not doing that much anymore. Let the millions of believers decide after learning both sides of the C&V issues.
Matthew 15:21-28 A Canaanite woman cried and begged Jesus to help her daughter. His disciples to Jesus to send her away. Jesus told her that He was only sent for the Jews. She worshipped him saying help me. Jesus replied: It’s not right to take the children’s bread and cast it to dogs. She cried, yet the dogs eat crumbs that fall from the master’s table. Jesus then healed her.
In Matthew 15:21-28, did Jesus, who was a Jew, equate non-Jews to dogs? Did Jesus Christ make nasty, bigoted and racist statements? How would you feel if Jesus Christ personally said those cruel words to you?
“The Golden Rule”?
Matthew 7:12 Jesus said: DO unto others what you would have them DO unto you.
This “The Golden Rule” commandment by Jesus Christ has little legal or moral virtue compared to what Confucius said 500 years earlier.
Confucius said:“Do NOT do to others what you would NOT have them do to you.”
“Do NOT do Unto Others“
“DO Unto Others“
Would Jesus Promote Gun Control?
Confucius’ statement is much more rational, ethical, moral, legal and civilized than Jesus’ statement. For example, if a person should like to be painfully sodomized and Jesus encourages him to do to others what he would like others to do to him – Jesus’ commandment would be outright heinous, evil, immoral and illegal.
Jesus Commanded: DO Unto Others Whatever You Would Have Them DO Unto You?
Sado-Masochist: Harder Damn You – Don’t Stop – I Luv It!
Matthew 7:21-23 Jesus said: Not everyone who says Lord to Me will enter Heaven, only the one who does the will of God. Many will say to Me on that day: “Lord, did we not prophesy and do good deeds in Your name?” “I will declare to them: I never knew you. Depart from Me you evildoers.”
Why? Wasn’t Jesus sent to save them? Can you explain this?
John 7:24 Jesus said: Stop judging by appearances but judge justly. Catholic
To judge or not to judge, that is the question. If you do NOT use judgment, how DO you make sane, safe and successful decisions? To decide without judgment is insane and dangerous for both yourself and others.
Would you send a 4-year-old child across a high-traffic street telling him or her to only obey, have faith and to believe?
John 6:44 Jesus said: No one can come to Me unless the Father who sent Me draw him, and I will raise him on the last day. KJV
So, this time it’s God, not Jesus, Moses or the Jews who decides? God must draw me to be saved by Jesus. Obviously, I have no say or free-will in the matter? And Jesus will raise me when? Is everybody, although they die at different times, raised and judged at the same time? Aren’t we all judged on “Judgment Day” Biblically, what happens to us in the interim? This is described in the book of Ezekiel concerning the millennium.
While I am dead, am I excluded from God? Clergy explanations seem to range from Godzilla to Bambi. Some say: Jesus is God just because I say He is and don’t debate with me – about anything. They say that judgment concerning God is unnecessary and avoidable. They say to just have faith, believe, don’t question, and most of all to obey or you will surely go to Hell. They used to scare me, but they don’t anymore. Knowledge is NOT the power. Applied knowledge IS the power.
John 6:53-58 Jesus said: Unless you eat My flesh and drink My blood you do not have life within you. My flesh is true food and My blood is true drink. Who feeds on Me will have life forever.
Jesus demands that you eat his flesh and drink His blood?
Did Jeffery Dahmer, who was imprisoned for cannibalism, then was killed in prison, take this Bible passage literally?
Leviticus 7:27&17:12 God’s command forbid the drinking of blood.
Why did Jesus promote, even symbolically, the drinking of His blood?
Hummm. Did Jesus Christ know that the drinking of blood was forbidden by God?
Jeffery Dahmer
Paul
Paul was the first New Testament Bible writer. Paul wrote almost half of the New Testament.
Paul, a Benjamite Jew, was the Christian hunter and killer who Jesus Christ chose to create and promote His Christian Church. None of Jesus’ 11 remaining disciples, including Peter, “The First Pope”, created even one church for Jesus Christ. Ergo, the first Christian Churches were all created by Paul, the Christian hunter and killer. God certainly does work in strange ways. By the way, as C. Dennis McKinsey asked: When was Jesus Christ ever “King of the Jews”?
Acts 18:5-6 Paul devoted himself exclusively to preaching and testifying to the Jews that Jesus was the Messiah. But they opposed Paul and became abusive. In protest, Paul said to them, “Your blood be on your own heads! I am innocent of it. From now on I will go to the Gentiles.”
Acts 26:10-11 Paul said: What I did in Jerusalem was on the authority of the chief priests. I put many of the Lord’s people in prison. I cast my vote against the Christians, and they were to be put to death. Often, I went from one synagogue to another to have the Christians punished. I was obsessed with persecuting them. I hunted them down in foreign cities.
2 Corinthians 11:8 Paul said / confessed: I robbed other churches, taking wages of them, to do you service.
Paul, an admitted thief and killer, was God’s and Jesus Christ’s choice to begin Christianity by creating the Church system. Paul and Peter did not get along. Peter preached “God’s Levitical Law” to “God’s Chosen” Jews. Paul abandoned “God’s Law of Moses” in favor of preaching “God’s Grace and His Hell-fire, fear-based commandments” to the Pagan Gentiles. Paul’s preaching scared the Hell out of people, and they packed his church.
Revelation 20:15 Anyone whose name was not found in the Lamb’s book of life was thrown into the pool of fire.
Isn’t that predestination?
Revelation 21:27 Nothing unclean or defiles shall enter Heaven, only whose names are written in the Lamb’s book of life.
Again, predestination?
Ephesians 1:4 He chose us before the foundation of the world.
Isn’t this interesting? To pre-choose one over another is to discriminate. Is predestination and no free-will, an already done deal, a stacked deck? If Jesus knows what is predestined, then there is no free-will. Then salvation-wise, how can it matter what one does or doesn’t do? If what we do serves God while serving evil, then, what’s the use in trying to be saved and what does that say about God?
Does our U. S. government follow this God-model, from the top, for control purposes? Do we cast a blind eye toward that probability by virtue of it being Biblically directed?
Note: If just one Human Being truly has “Free-Will”, the Biblical God is NOT in control.
Mark 7:19 Jesus declared all foods to be clean.
Did Jesus break with God’s food laws which were given by Moses and documented in Leviticus?
Matthew 8:21-22 One disciple said to Jesus: Lord, let me go first and bury my father. Jesus answered him: Follow Me and let the dead bury the dead.
Does this show Jesus as a role-model of compassion? Is Jesus sensitive to a disciple in pain due to the death of his father? Jesus, like God, displays a “Me-First” agenda. But then, at Lazarus’s tomb:
John 11:35 Jesus wept. KJV
This is the shortest verse in both the 66 book KJV Bible and the 73 book Catholic Bible.
John 8:29 Jesus said: God has not let Me alone as I always do what is pleasing to Him.
John 8:34 Jesus said: Everyone who commits a sin is a slave to sin.
Is a Believer a Slave Chained to his Belief?
This verse seems extremely accurate when it is applied to unwanted and destructive addictions like smoking, cigarettes, booze, over-eating, Fentanyl, Heroin.
Newsflash: You cannot be addicted to cigarettes, gambling, eating, sex, alcohol, drugs or any other activity. You are only addicted to a feeling, your own genetic feeling. It is so simple: No feeling, no addiction.
Is Jesus Christ the supernatural, Biblical God? Can the Biblical God die? Did Jesus die on the cross for the sins of mankind? If Jesus Christ is the supernatural God, didn’t “know-it-all” God / Jesus know that He would continue to live beyond the cross? If Jesus Christ knew that He could not die, exactly what did Jesus sacrifice for the sins of mankind? Jesus’ described suffering on the cross was horrible, for a few hours. The Bible documents that Jesus was not dead just a few hours later. Compare that torture to horrible years of unbearable, chronic pain due to cancer, paralysis or mental illness.
The Pharisees were Jewish clergy who wanted all Jews to live according to God’s 613 Torah commandments (the law). Jesus taught that those 613 commandments could be violated when it was more humane or convenient to do so. Jesus’ breaking of God’s law angered the Pharisees, so they sought to have Jesus executed. Paul taught the believers were no longer under the Mosaic, Levitical laws.
Here is a little-known Inter-Bible controversy: Early Greek manuscripts of the Matthew Gospel mention the first name of Barabbas was also Jesus.
New American Bible: Matthew 27:16-17 And at that time they had a notorious prisoner called Jesus Barabbas. So, when they assembled, Pilate said: Which one do you want me to release to you, Jesus Barabbas, or Jesus called the Messiah?
Mark 14:61-64 The high priest asked Jesus: Are you the Christ, the Son of the Blessed? Jesus said: I am. They said: You have heard the blasphemy. They all condemned Him as deserving to die. Catholic
Here Jesus admitted that He was “The Messiah” / “The Son of God”. That is what got Jesus Christ tortured / crucified.
Jesus / God?
Mark 16: 18 Jesus said: They (the believers) will pick up serpents with their hands and if they drink any deadly thing, it will not hurt them. Catholic
This was one of the last things that Jesus said to His disciples according to Mark. By saying this, Jesus proved to be insane, unrealistic or to be just plain wrong. There also have been a lot of poisonous snakes that proved to not believe Jesus.
Mark 16:19 After Jesus spoke to them, He was taken up into Heaven and took His seat at the right hand of God.
One cannot sit beside oneself – so – Jesus Christ can NOT be God.
Our brains are physically constructed much like the brains of our ancestors back in the Middle Ages. Some of our brains have categorically adapted to modern change better than others.
Survival of the fittest is NOT the greatest secret to longevity. The capacity to adapt IS the greatest secret to longevity.
Asking “WHY” to all things does help successful, intellectual and emotional adaption.
Example: Why did the Biblical God torture and murder His Son, Jesus Christ, for the sins of Humanity?
Ask that “why” for yourself until you decide on a sane answer. Then, when you are confident that you have a sane answer, share your answer others. Will you hear only silence?
Albert Schweitzer: The question which has so much exercised the minds of men – whether Jesus was the historic Christ – is answered in the sense that everything the historical Christ is, everything that is said of him, everything that is known of him, belongs to the world of the imagination, that is, the imagination of the Christian community, and therefore he has nothing to do with any man who belongs in the real world.
Religion obviously proves that “INSANITY IS CONTAGIOUS”.
Here’s selected excerpts and a profile of Jeremiah, one of God’s prophets, so to better examine the insanity of God’s prophets. It depicts the recycling manic-depression and schizophrenia of the prophets. The re-cycles are also depicted in the book of Psalms.
Jeremiah 20:7-18 You duped me, God. Whenever I speak out, violence and outrage is my message. The word of God has brought me ridicule and blame. I say to myself: I will not mention Him or speak His name. But then it comes like fire. I cannot endure it. I hear the whisperings of many: Let us denounce him. My friends watch for any misstep of mine. Perhaps he will be trapped then we can take our vengeance on him. But, God is with me. My persecutors will fail. Praise God! Cursed be the day I was born. May the day my mother gave me birth never be blessed. Cursed be the man who said to my father a son has been born to you. Let that man hear war cries because he did not dispatch (murder) me in the womb. Then my mother would have been my grave. Why did I come out of the womb to see sorrow and pain, to end my days in shame.
Isn’t this parallel to the dialog of Job?
The Jeremiah profile is strangely similar to God’s other prophets. They’re all insane.
“INSANITY IS CONTAGIOUS”
Insanity: A legal term describing mental incompetence. One must be unable to tell the difference from right and wrong and to be unaware of the consequences of their actions.
This is a prosecution of The Biblical God’s insane treatment of the living things on Earth. His documented deeds fragrantly flaunt His being above His own supposed laws. People, who wish to be like this God, operate insanely in like manner. They fragrantly break laws and codes of decency and then shift the target of insanity onto the prosecutor, insisting he is insane, wrong and bad. They bestow God’s vengeance and wrath on him for daring to speak out.
Justice and facts are inconsequential. God, like themselves, they declare to be above the law. Believers, for the most part, are limited to their own often-insane fantasies.
The concept of God is a fantasy world. Reality is an adversary to the fantasies of egos.
This work is information based upon Bible C&V facts. How you deal with, progress and grow with information is your individual and private responsibility. You cannot expect others to learn as you learn. The investigative ability may lie within the genes.
The greatest players in every competition learned things that other players could or did not learn as well.
Q: Do you not want to read this stuff because you take a position so weak it cannot stand debate? Is it information you want, or control? Would you resist replacing misinformation with legitimate facts, especially if the facts are advantageous to mankind?
Believer: We have kept quiet about the things we do not understand and cannot accept concerning God. Why do you expound on these things we can’t handle? Are you trying to damage His reputation? If you have to write about God, write about all the positive things.
Q: Behavior, character and agenda-wise, what positive things?
There are those who are deeply and fearfully concerned about what is discovered here. This exposure is of God’s crimes against humanity and the further perpetuation of those crimes. This prosecution of God is based upon written Biblical evidence, not suspicion.
Believer: I’m 70 years old. I believe our souls live on for eternity.
Q: Does that apply to all life forms on Earth?
Believer: I have to think about that…
How does your personal God resemble the God of the Bible?
Ah, another prime candidate to be one of God’s Biblical heroes.
Judges 11:30-39 Jephthah vowed to God: Give me victory and I will give to You, by burnt offering, whatever comes first through my door. Jephthah murdered 20 cities for God. (Always in control) God apparently arranged for Jephthah’s daughter, his only child, to come first through his door, who was happy to see her father. Jephthah gave his little girl two months to “mourn her virginity” because she couldn’t bear children before she had to die. He then sacrificed his only child, a virgin daughter by burnt offering to your Biblical God, as was the custom in Israel.
God’s Human Sacrifice?
What a prime Biblical model of this insane God and His insane followers. How insane are you or will you be for this God?
Judges 12:6-7 Jephthah murdered 42,000 Ephraimites and judged Israel for 6 years.
Weren’t the Ephraimites Joseph’s tribe? In law, the elements of crime are means, motive and opportunity. The law is civilized man’s attempt to model safety and decency. Can you compliment this God on any decency or fair treatment based on His deeds? Is there any Biblical, chapter and verse, evidence? Can you produce it? Please do so and make history.
Believers tend to run from this material due to a fear of God (fear of death or loss) that over comes them. Courage is having the capacity to face what you fear. Believers cannot learn for they have little courage concerning change or facing facts. Believers don’t expect to debate the Bible. They tend to preach it. They don’t even expect to argue its content. They expect obedience and feel-good cooperation to their own egos.
II Kings 9:6-7 God said: I will appoint Jehu King of Israel. You shall destroy the house of Ahab, your master.
II Kings 9:16-24 Jehu drove his chariot to Jezreel where Joram lay ill. Joram sent two drivers to Jehu to ask if all is well. Then, he drove to Jehu, himself, and Jehu put an arrow through his heart.
II Kings 9:27 Jehu then chased King Ahaziah of Judah and murdered him too.
II Kings 9:30-37 Jehu ordered 3 eunuchs to throw Jezebel out of a window to the street below. Her blood spilled. Jehu drove over her body, stopped, ate, drank and ordered her buried as she was a King’s daughter. They found only her skull, hands and feet as the dogs ate her in accordance to God’s prophesy. The corps of Jezebel was said to be like dung in the field.
Throwing Jezebel out of the Window
II Kings 10:6-17 Jehu slew Ahab’s descendants; 70 of them were Princes. He put their heads in baskets and piled them in two heaps at the entrance of the city. He then found 42 more relatives and murdered them all. He then slew all that remained of Ahab’s family.
II Kings 10:19-27 Jehu summoned all the Baal prophets, by lying. He proclaimed he would give a great sacrifice to Baal. Jehu also proclaimed that whoever was absent shall not live. They trusted Jehu and came, without exception, into the temple of Baal. Jehu stationed 80 men around the temple with orders: If any one of them gets away, you will pay for it with your life. After offering the sacrifice, Jehu said to the guards: Go in and slay them. They murdered them all, then smashed down the building of Baal into a latrine. Catholic
Jehu is a liar and a mass murderer for the Biblical God.
Genesis 25:31-33 Jacob swindled his older brother Esau out of his birthright.
Jacob, God’s hero, the Bible described as a swindler!
Genesis 28:12-17 In a dream, Jacob saw a ladder with God’s Angels ascending and descending on it. He saw God above it Who told him that He was God and He would be with Jacob. Jacob awoke, was afraid and said: Surely, this is the Lord’s place. How dreadful is this place. This is the house of God, the gate of Heaven. KJV
Jacob described God’s place as “dreadful”? What? Ouch!
Obviously, the “Angels” climbing up and down “Jacob’s ladder” had no wings. Why would they climb up and down the ladder if they had wings? If they had wings, the Bible would have described them with wings in this story.
Genesis 28:22 Jacob vowed to God 10% back of what he gets from God.
Could this be the origin of paying 10% “tithes” to a church?
Genesis 29:13-14 Laban ran out to meet Jacob saying: You are indeed my flesh and blood.
Aren’t Jacob’s unions with his uncle Laban’s daughters more inbreeding and Biblical incest, as it was with Abraham and Sarah, Lot and his daughters and later, Moses’ father and mother?
Aren’t many of God’s Biblical heroes, so far, products of incest? Based on this Biblical model, why is incest illegal?
Mankind has judged “incest” to be wrong and illegal. Because all these God chosen heroes practiced incest, mankind has judged God’s values to be wrong and illegal.
Genesis 30:39-43 Jacob cheats his uncle Laban (the father of his 2 or 4 wives) by herd selective-breeding techniques and becomes a wealthy man.
Uncle Laban’s Sheep
Could swindling, lying and cheating be the Biblical God’s guidance? Typically, defense attorneys rehearse their clients as to what spin and lies they will present in court.
The Torah-notes indicate that Jacob’s 4 wives were all at least half-sisters, Laban being the father of all 4 girls. Laban was Rebekah’s brother, which makes him also Jacob’s uncle. Wouldn’t that make Jacob’s 2 wives and 2 concubines also his 4 cousins? By these 4 blood-related women, Jacob had 12 sons, who became the Biblical God’s 12 tribes of Israel. Weren’t they a stock of incest? Most of them certainly were.
Genesis 30:22-24 Rachel bore Jacob’s son, Joseph.
(Joseph goes on later to control Egypt.)
Genesis 32:24-29 Jacob wrestled a man… KJV
Jacob wrested God / Man / Angel?
The Catholic version states that Jacob wrestled a MAN 5 times.
Some claim that Jacob wrestled an Angel. Some also claim that Jacob wrestled God, Himself, in this scenario. If Jacob wrestled God, that certainly reduces the “awesomeness” and strength of God.
Genesis 34: Schechem raped Jacob’s daughter and then wanted to marry her. Jacob said ok but that all of Schechem’s men had to be circumcised. Then, Jacob revenged the rape of his daughter by murdering all of Schechem’s men and stole all of their wealth, flocks, women and children.
Schechem
Jacob had 4 wives – 2 definitely were his Uncle Laban’s daughters – the Torah notes suggests all 4 were Laban’s daughters.
Jacob had 12 sons who were the 12 tribes of Israel.
Judah & Tamar
Judah, one of Jacob’s son, paid for sex with Tamar, his daughter-in-law, and they were in Jesus Christ’s sacred bloodline. Both Tamar and Rahab-the Harlot sold sex and were in Jesus Christ’s bloodline.
This site contains a plethora of controversial Bible questions and facts that believers tend to find feisty and irritating.
Can YOU handle it?
Some realists, who question, value realistic facts and knowledge over nonsensical faith and belief. Most believers do not question their own beliefs, ergo, they don’t value knowledge over faith. Do you know just one Christian who proves to be a realist? Does he or she believe in “The Virgin Birth” and “The Resurrection”? How realistic does he or she prove to be?
Many authoritative and argumentative believers value control over content. Some believers tend to re-invent themselves by “blessing” (ordaining) themselves into a state of Godliness; thus, they assume power and authority over others.
Some set their divine authority over power, logic and reason.
Many “beliefs” (pretend to know) are based upon “tradition” (the dead leading the blind), ignorance, superstition, ego and imperialistic arrogance.
If you do enjoy debating, try debating these selected Biblical Chapters and Verses (C&Vs)!
Declaration: I did not write the Bible! I am not responsible for what the Bible says. I’m not responsible for how people feel about what the Bible says.
I read the entire Bible and did an intense book report! This work is a report on the character and deeds of Jesus and God as written about, chapter and verse, in the Bible.
Some have said that if one knew these selected passages, one would know more Biblical controversy than 90% of existing clergy.
Logic and reason is focused upon in the pursuit of the facts.
It takes some intelligence to understand, and patience to endure the language and writings of the Bible. Most of all, it takes bold courage to judge what the writings mean. Without judgment, one cannot make decisions.
Is one capable of or willing to find out the raw facts about the Biblical God, as written in His Own diary, Chapter and Verse (C&V)?
Here is a question that started it all: Why does mankind treat almost every living thing so poorly? This research trims down the examination to two basic contributions.
1: The Biblical God-model and God’s C&V Bible.
2: The ever-evolving genetic contributions of biological man.
Don’t most concepts of God parallel human egos? The main motivation to conduct this investigative research is the attempt to understand why mankind behaves the way mankind does.
Is Jesus Christ of the New Testament (NT) and / or the God-model of the Old Testament (OT) responsible for how human beings treat each other?
We have all been preached Biblical “truth” all our lives. Most of that “truth” has been told to us as hearsay by mind-set Clergy and other authoritative believers.
This investigation is about written Biblical facts, Chapter and Verse.
Epicurus, who lived 342-271 B.C.E., logically did away with the gods when he wrote these words:
“Either God wishes to destroy evil and cannot or God can destroy evil but will not or God neither wishes, nor has the power or God both desires and is able. If God wishes and cannot, God is impotent. If God can but will not, God is wicked. If God neither wishes, nor can, God is impotent as well as wicked. If God can and will, why does evil exist?”
GWD: As long as God will not – God can not.
Dr. Paul Winchell’s book: God 2000, Religion Without the Bible brought my attention to selected controversial and contradictory Biblical passages. Paul’s bold findings helped launch this investigation in 1982. Paul also obtained a patent on a mechanical-heart and was a famous ventriloquist on television in the 1950’s. This documentation includes many of Paul’s influences.
C. Dennis McKinsey’s two (2) books:
“The Encyclopedia of Biblical Errancy” 1995 by Prometheus Books
“Biblical Errancy, A Reference Guide” 2000 by Prometheus Books
These two books are the greatest authorities found to date that expose Biblical C&V contradictions and errors.
I was once asked how I compared my work with C. Dennis McKinsey?
If you want to be a High School graduate of Biblical controversy, read my stuff. If you want to become equivalent to a PHD in Biblical contradiction, read C. Dennis McKinsey.
Could our human behavior be attributed by how we perceive The Biblical God, that we were taught, created us?
My selected sources were three Bibles for this investigation:
The King James Version – The New American Catholic (Easy-English) Bible – The Jewish Torah.
The Torah opens back to front. Its text on the right page is in Hebrew. The text on the left page is in English. Otherwise, this Torah Chapter and Verse content just like the Catholic and KJV Bibles.
Investigated are the characteristics, deeds, scenarios, and the attitudes of The God the three Bibles as they are depicted Chapter and Verse. (C&V)
Declaration of Responsibility: These works are paraphrased from these three (3) Bibles. The temperament and the editing is mostly mine. I am Gary DeVaney
Note: This is a work of concentrated facts for study, reference – and entertainment.
“Intelligence is categorical”: One can be brilliant in one categorical and a moron in another. Although I personally view myself to be a moron in many categories, the Bible is not one of them.
A test of intelligence is the capacity to deal with here and now reality. Belief has little concern for here and now reality.
Religions are magic shows. Religion force-feeds faith and belief which disables the believer from focusing on reality. Governments use these religions to establish the habits of believing, obeying, supporting and sacrificing for a current “assumed” authority. The assumed authority that receives the benefit of fear-based religions is the ever-evolving government itself.
Thought is the most powerful force in the universe.
The question is the highest form of thought.
Always question authority – and then question authority’s answers.
In the year 610 AD, Muhammad Ibn Abdullah, a 40-year-old merchant, inspired by Allah through an Angel, Gabriel, wrote the Koran. Koran means “recitation”.
Muhammad Ibn Abdullah
Abraham married Sarah, his half-sister. God made Sarah barren. Sarah wanted children so she gave Abraham Hagar, her Egyptian handmaid for sex to produce for herself a child. Hagar gave birth to Ishmael, the ancestor of the Arabs and Islam. Long after her menopause, Sarah, at age 90, gave birth to Isaac, the ancestor of the Jews and Judiasm.
This gives rise to a fundamental Bible conflict:
Leviticus 20:17 If a man takes his sister, even a half-sister, who is the daughter of his father or mother, they will be cut off from their people. Since he committed incest with his sister, he shall bear his guilt. Torah
Genesis 20:12 Abraham and Sarah had the same father and different mothers.
Abraham, the father of Judaism, Christianity and Islam broke “unchanging” God’s law when he had sex with his half-sister, Sarah.
The Bible predicted that concerning Ishmael’s Arab / Islamic descendants, there would be continuing conflict between the Arabs and the Jews.
Genesis 16:12 (Concerning Ishmael’s Arab / Islamic descendants): His hand will be against everyone and everyone’s hand will be against him, and he will live in hostility toward all his brothers.
To give the Bible rare credit, there is no doubt that this specific Bible prophesy has been, and continues to be, fulfilled.
Perspective: The Jews claim to be “God’s Chosen” – but – under Arab owned land lies awesome oil wealth.
Who has God / Allah (fictional or not) truly blessed?
Ecclesiastes 10:19 Money answers all things.
Again, the Bible must be given some credit for accuracy as MONEY proves to be the only real “god of consequence” on planet Earth.
Muslims believe that Allah speaks to them through their Koran (Qur’an) scripture. Islam accepts and reveres Abraham, Moses, Elijah, Isaiah and even Jesus Christ as Allah’s prophets.
The word Islam means “surrender”. Like Christianity, Islam is a religion that is in the business of breaking human wills to conform to what their dogma interprets to be the will of their God / Allah.
The Judeo-Christian God and the Islamic Allah is the same (one) God of Abraham.
Islamic(s), in prayer, mention Abraham’s name 5 times a day, every day.
What Christian do you know does that? Of the Judeo / Christian / Islamic religions, who worships the one God of Abraham more?
In this article, we will try to clear up many of the misconceptions that are prevalent about Islam. Before jumping into the list of misconceptions directly, it is important to give a little interesting background about the source of Islam.
Islam is the name of a way of life which the Creator wants us to follow. We avoid the word religion because in many non-Islamic societies, there is a separation of “religion and state.” This separation is not recognized at all in Islam: the Creator is very much concerned with all that we do, including the political, economic, social, and other aspects of our society. Hence, Islam is a complete way of life.
The source of Islam is Alah,the Creator of everything known and unknown to us. He is One, and He is unique. Allah has taught us about Islam via two mediums: the Qur’an and the Sunnah. Both the Qur’an and Sunnah were transmitted to us, humanity, via the Messenger of Allah: Muhammad bin Abdullah, may the peace and blessings of Allah be upon him (saas). The Messenger of Allah was nothing more and nothing less than a mortal messenger of the immortal Creator.
The Qur’an is a book containing the literal Word of Allah. It was transmitted from Allah to an angel of His (Gabriel), and from the angel to the Messenger of Allah who delivered it to us. The Qur’an covers a wide variety of topics, including evidence to support its claim of being the Word of the Creator, stories of earlier generations, rules which humanity is asked to obey, and information about the Hereafter. The Qur’an claims that it is protected from change by other than Allah, and this is confirmed by its 1400 year history. The earliest copies and the latest copies are the same.
Sura 4:89 Kill your relative if they leave Islam.
Sura 4:34 – 6:39 – 14:4 – 16:9 Beat your wife.
Sura 18:110 – 41:6 Muhammad was sinful.
Sura 3:169 Allah provides 72 virgins in Heaven.
Sura 8:39 Muslims want to conquer and rule the world.
Sura 76:17 Allah will give wine to believers in Heaven.
Sura 9:29 – 9:36 – 9:123 Fight those who don’t believe in Allah.
Sura 60: Don’t take enemies for friends.
Sura 9:30 – 59:2 Allahs curse and wrath be on the Jews and Christians.
Sura 5:33 Physically punish all sinners.
Sura 9:80 – 9:85 Allah does not forgive sins.
Sura 2:62 – 5:69 All except Muslims will go to Hell.
Sura 9:119 – 78:40 – 79:01 – 79:19 Believers fear god (instead of loving God).
Sura 28:86 Do not help the disbeliever.
Sura 5:110 Confirms that there is a Father and a Son and a Holy Spirit in the Quran.
Sura: 110 Confirms that Jesus gave life to the people and healed them.
Sura 9:38 – 48:16 48:17 Allah will punish you if you refuse to fight.
Sura 97:4 – 66:12 confirms that there is a Holy Spirit.
The Sunnah is the term used to describe how the Messenger of Allah (saas) lived his life.
The Messenger’s life is an example for all Muslims, or those who accept Islam, to follow.
Bible / Koran Key Words
Whatever the Messenger (saas) did, said, or approved of is a source of Islam just as much as the Qur’an. The Messenger’s role is not overemphasized: his life was dictated by what the Creator desired, and the Messenger did not add or subtract to Islam according to his own personal whim. His life was such that his wife called him “a walking Qur’an.”
The Qur’an and Sunnah are the only two mediums by which Allah has directly taught us about Islam. This leads us to the following simple but critical principle:
If any man or woman engages in a belief or action which clearly contradicts the Qur’an or Sunnah, then that belief or action cannot be thought of as `Islamic’.
In Islam Jesus Is Just A Prophet
This rule applies whether the man or woman is Muslim or non-Muslim. Hence, we cannot equate Islam and the Muslims. Islam is the way of life; Muslims are people who claim to follow that way of life. A Muslim may claim to follow Islam, but be wrong. In the context of misconceptions, we can restate the above principle in a slightly different way:
Some misconceptions about Islam are due to the wrong beliefs and actions of Muslims, and others are due to a significant lack of understanding and false stereotyping by non-Muslims.
Several misconceptions are listed below. Instead of simply stating the misconception by itself, we have also included some reasons why people might adopt that misconception. Therefore, each entry in the list is given in the following form:
Our answers to the misconceptions are drawn from the Qur’an and Sunnah. All other approaches are insufficient: Islam is a way of life which is very firmly based on a scholarly approach, an approach which is based on knowledge.
Imām Ibn Aābidīn Shāmī
Ahl as Sunnah Perspective
Misconception 1:
Islam is `the religion of peace’ because: The Arabic word Islam is derived from the Arabic word “Al-Salaam” which means peace.
It might seem strange to think of this as a misconception, but in fact it is. The root word of Islam is “al-silm” which means “submission” or “surrender.” It is understood to mean “submission to Allah.” In spite of whatever noble intention has caused many a Muslim to claim that Islam is derived primarily from peace, this is not true. Allah says in the Qur’an translated):
[2:136] Say (O Muslims): We believe in Allah and that which is revealed to us and that which was revealed to Abraham, and Ishmael, and Isaac, and Jacob, and the tribes, and that which Moses and Jesus received, and that which the prophets received from their Lord. We make no distinction between any of them, and to Him we have surrendered. [Arabic “Muslimoon”]
A secondary root of Islam may be Al-Salamm (peace), however the text of the Qur’an makes it clear that Allah has clearly intended the focus of this way of life to be submission to Him. This entails submission to Him at all times, in times of peace, war, ease, or difficulty.
Al-Salaam Rose (The Peace )
Misconception 2:
In Islam, denial of human rights is OK because: Islam is against pure democracy;
Islam tolerates slavery.
The misconception does not follow from the reasons given, and the reasons ignore a great deal of information.
As stated earlier, Islam is a complete way of life. Given this, it is not surprising that the Creator is concerned with the method which we choose to govern ourselves. The preeminent rule which the Islamic state must observe is stated in the Qur’an (translation follows):
[4:59] O you who believe! Obey Allah, and obey the Messenger, and those charged with authority among you. If you differ in anything among yourselves, refer it to Allah and His Messenger, if you do believe in Allah and the Last Day; That is best, and most suitable for final determination.
From this verse, it is clear that the state’s obligation of obedience to the Creator is as important as the obedience of the individual. Hence, the Islamic state must derive its law from the Qur’an and Sunnah. This principle excludes certain choices from the Islamic state’s options for political and economic systems, such as a pure democracy, unrestricted capitalism, communism, socialism, etc. For example, a pure democracy places the people above the Qur’an and Sunnah, and this is disobedience to the Creator. However, the best alternative to a pure democracy is a democracy that implements and enforces the Shari’ah (Islamic Law).
Shari’ah (Islamic Law)
The Creator also states in the Qur’an (translated):
[42:36-38] So whatever thing you are given, that is only a provision of this world’s life, and what is with Allah is better and more lasting for those who believe and rely on their Lord, and those who shun the great sins and indecencies, and whenever they are angry they forgive, and those who respond to their Lord and keep up prayer, and their rule is to take counsel among themselves, and who spend out of what We have given them.
Allah orders us in this verse to conduct our matters by taking counsel among ourselves, or by consulting each other. This is the methodology of the Islamic state, to consult one another, but to always keep the Qur’an and Sunnah paramount. Any law which contradicts the Qur’an or Sunnah is unlawful. This broad principle of consultation is certainly wide enough to encompass a form of government where all are heard – in fact, encouraged to be heard. The early Islamic states were of this form. The petty governments of many `Muslim countries’ today do not apply this principle and in fact commit many crimes against the people.
As for slavery, Islam is unique among the `religions’ in its close attention to the peaceful removal of this practice. Before the advent of Islam, slavery was widespread all over the world. The Messenger of Islam taught us that freeing slaves was a great deed in the sight of Allah. From the Sunnah, specifically in the study of the Sunnah called Sahih Bukhari, we find:
[3:46:693] Narrated Abu Huraira: The Prophet said, “Whoever frees a Muslim Equal is defined by the dictionary.slave, Allah will save all the parts of his body from the (Hell) Fire as he has freed the body-parts of the slave.” Said bin Marjana said that he narrated that Hadith to `Ali bin Al-Husain and he freed his slave for whom `Abdullah bin Ja’far had offered him ten thousand Dirhams or one-thousand Dinars.
Also from the Sunnah, specifically in the study of the Sunnah called Malik’s Muwatta we find.
[38:9:15] Narrated Aisha Ummul Mu’minin: The Messenger of Allah, may Allah bless him and grant him peace, was asked what was the most excellent kind of slave to free. The Messenger of Allah, may Allah bless him and grant him peace, answered, “The most expensive and the most valuable to his master.”
The Creator has also made it easy for slaves to gain their freedom. From the Sunnah, specifically in the study of the Sunnah called Sahih Bukhari, we find:
[3:46:704] Narrated Abu Huraira: The Prophet said, “Whoever frees his portion of a common slave should free the slave completely by paying the rest of his price from his money if he has enough money; otherwise the price of the slave is to be estimated and the slave is to be helped to work without hardship till he pays the rest of his price.”
The condition of slavery is very different in Islam than the harsh conditions imposed by non-Muslims or disobedient Muslims. From the Sunnah, specifically in the study of the Sunnah called Sunan Abu-Dawud, we find:
SunanNasai
[41:4957] Narrated AbuHurayrah: The Prophet (saw) said: None of you must say: “My slave” (abdi) and “My slave-woman” (amati), and a slave must not say: “My lord” (rabbi or rabbati). The master (of a slave) should say: “My young man” (fataya) and “My young woman” (fatati), and a slave should say “My master” (sayyidi) and “My mistress” (sayyidati), for you are all (Allah’s) slave and the Lord is Allah, Most High.
G: “You are all Allah’s slaves?” That does confirm a master / slave reality within the mind and religion of Islam!
Also from the Sunnah, specifically in the study of the Sunnah called Sahih Bukhari, we find:
[3:46:721] Narrated Al-Ma’rur bin Suwaid: I saw Abu Dhar Al-Ghifari wearing a cloak, and his slave, too, was wearing a cloak. We asked him about that (i.e. how both were wearing similar cloaks). He replied, “Once I abused a man and he complained of me to the Prophet. The Prophet asked me, `Did you abuse him by slighting his mother?’
He added, `Your slaves are your brethren upon whom Allah has given you authority. So, if one has one’s brethren under one’s control, one should feed them with the like of what one eats and clothe them with the like of what one wears. You should not overburden them with what they cannot bear, and if you do so, help them (in their hard job).”
G: “Your slaves are your brethren upon whom Allah has given you authority.” This, again, affirms Islamic slavery.
As a result of the teachings of Islam, slavery was almost completely eradicated from many areas of the Muslim world, peacefully and without bloodshed.
Misconception 3:
The Muslim Family in General
In Islam, women are inferior to men because:
“A man can marry up to 4 wives, a woman can marry only one man.”
G: Men and women are not equal in Islam.
“A man’s share of inheritance is bigger than a woman’s.”
“A man can marry a non-Muslim, a woman cannot.”
G: Why?
“Women must wear the veil.”
this widely held misconception does not remotely follow from the reasons given. The first and most important observation to make about the popular question:
“Are men and women equal?” is a badly-formed, unanswerable question.
G: Wrong! It is a realistic yes or no question. The honest answer is no.
The problem which many people conveniently ignore is that “equal” is not defined.
G: Wrong! Equal is defined by the dictionary. President Clinton did one of these mind-games. When he was impeached, he said: That depends what the definition of “is” is.
This is a very critical point: the equality must be specified with respect to some measurable property. For example, women on average are superior to men if we ask who is shorter in height than the other (“Growth and Development”, Encyclopedia Britannica, 1992).
G: What? Women are superior to men because they are shorter?
Women are also superior on average if we ask whom do children bond to deeper, mothers or fathers. Women are also superior on average if we ask who has a tendency to socialize more. On the other hand, men are superior on average if we ask who is taller in height than the other. And so on: every question can be turned around, and more importantly these are properties which are irrelevant.
G: Who chooses which properties are irrelevant?
What then, is the really important property which we are worried about in terms of gender equality? Naturally, from the point of view of the Qur’an and Sunnah, the obvious important property is who is dearer to Allah, men or women? This question is emphatically answered in the Qur’an (translation), [4:124] If any do deeds of righteousness – be they male or female – and have faith, they will enter Paradise, and not the least injustice will be done to them.
[33:35] For Muslim men and women, for believing men and women, for devout men and women, for truthful men and women, for men and women who are patient and constant, for men and women who humble themselves, for men and women who give in charity, for men and women who fast, for men and women who guard their chastity, and for men and women who engage much in Allah’s praise, for them has Allah prepared forgiveness and great reward.
The Qur’an and Sunnah repeat over and over again that Allah only favors one person over another based on that person’s awareness, consciousness, fear, love, and hope of Allah (the Arabic word is difficult to translate: Taqwa). All other criteria are excluded: gender, ethnic group, country, ancestry, etc.
Given that Allah does not favor one gender over the other in His attention to us (and it helps to remember that Allah is neither male nor female), we can now address the differences between the genders in Islam. First, men and women are not the same as we know. The Creator states in the Qur’an (translation), [3:36]…and the male is not like the female…
Men and women are different in their composition, and in their responsibilities under Islam. However, both are bound by obligations to one another, especially the following important one which must be understood in any discussion on men and women. From the Qur’an (translation), [24:32] And marry those among you who are single and those who are fit among your male slaves and your female slaves; if they are needy, Allah will make them free from want out of His grace; and Allah is Ample-giving, Knowing. In this verse, the Creator emphasizes that marriage is to be vigorously pursued by the Muslims: the state of being single is not to be maintained. With this in mind, we can begin to understand the four reasons cited above for the nonetheless erroneous conclusion.
Men and women are different in their responsibilities towards the that they are strongly encouraged to set up. Women are not obligated to work, whereas men are obligated. The man must provide for the family, but the woman does not have to spend out of her money for it, though she gets a reward for doing so. Allah says in the Qur’an (translation),
[4:34] Men are in charge of women, because Allah hath made the one of them to excel the other, and because they spend of their property (for the support of women). So good women are the obedient, guarding in secret that which Allah hath guarded. As for those from whom ye fear rebellion, admonish them and banish them to beds apart, and scourge them. Then if they obey you, seek not a way against them. Lo! Allah is ever High, Exalted, Great.
From the Sunnah, specifically in the study of the Sunnah called Sahih Bukhari, we find:
[2:24:545] Narrated `Amr bin Al-Harith: Zainab, the wife of `Abdullah said, “I was in the Mosque and saw the Prophet (p.b.u.h) saying, `O women ! Give alms even from your ornaments.’ ” Zainab used to provide for `Abdullah and those orphans who were under her protection. So she said to `Abdullah, “Will you ask Allah’s Apostle whether it will be sufficient for me to spend part of the Zakat on you and the orphans who are under my protection?” He replied “Will you yourself ask Allah’s Apostle ?” (Zainab added): So I went to the Prophet and I saw there an Ansari woman who was standing at the door (of the Prophet ) with a similar problem as mine. Bilal passed by us and we asked him, `Ask the Prophet whether it is permissible for me to spend (the Zakat) on my husband and the orphans under my protection.’ And we requested Bilal not to inform the Prophet about us. So Bilal went inside and asked the Prophet regarding our problem. The Prophet (p.b.u.h) asked, “Who are those two?” Bilal replied that she was Zainab. The Prophet said, “Which Zainab?”
Sahih Bukhari
Bilal said, “The wife of `Adullah (bin Masud).” The Prophet said, “Yes, (it is sufficient for her) and she will receive a double rewards (for that): One for helping relatives, and the other for giving Zakat.” marriage.
Given that husbands are obligated to provide for wives, and that marriage is a highly recommended goal of Islam, it is easy to see why women’s inheritance share is half that of men. We note also that men are obligated to provide a suitable dowry to women on marriage. In fact, it is preferable at this point to speak in terms of husbands and wives instead of men and women. Allah says in the Qur’an (translation),
[4:4] And give women their dowries as a free gift, but if they of themselves be pleased to give up to you a portion of it, then eat it with enjoyment and with wholesome result.
Allah says in the Qur’an (translation), [2:228]…And they (women) have rights similar to those (of men) over them in kindness, and men are a degree above them…
This one degree in no way affects the position of the Creator in which He has stated that He does not hold women dearer to him than men, or vice versa. Rather it is simply a way of partitioning responsibilities in a household of two adults: someone must make the final decision on daily matters. As will be shown below in a section on a different misconception, though the final decision rests with the husband, it is through mutual consultation that decisions are best reached at.
While men are allowed to marry up to four wives, they are also commanded to meet the preconditions of being able to financially support them. They must also deal with each wife justly and fairly with respect to marital and economic obligations. Allah says in the Qur’an (translation), [4:3] If ye fear that ye shall not be able to deal justly with the orphans, Marry women of your choice, Two or three or four; but if ye fear that ye shall not be able to deal justly (with them), then only one, or (a captive) that your right hands possess, that will be more suitable, to prevent you from doing injustice.
Islam Allows Four Wife’s?
Moreover, women are allowed to reject any marriage proposal made to her by prospective suitors, thus if she does not feel she can abide by the rules of the Qur’an and Sunnah if she marries a certain person, she can reject his proposal. While it is irrelevant to Islam, it is worthwhile to note that both Judaism and Christianity allow polygamy. The idea is not as foreign to the non-Muslims as is often claimed.
Finally, the wearing of the veil by women is also an illogical premise to claim that women are inferior to men. It is more appropriate to indict a society of female exploitation if it tolerates pornography rather than if it enforces the veil. Given that Allah is neither male nor female, given that He does not endear people to Himself based on their gender, given that the Creator cares about all of us male or female, given that the sexual and violent drive of men is stronger than that of women…given all this, it is illogical to cast a negative light on the following injunctions contained in the Qur’an (translation), [33:59] O Prophet, tell your wives and daughters and the believing women to draw their outer garments around them (when they go out or are among men). That is better in order that they may be known (to be Muslims) and not be annoyed…
[24:30-31] Say to the believing man that they should lower their gaze and guard their modesty; that will make for greater purity for them; and Allah is well acquainted with all that they do. And say to the believing women that they should lower their gaze and guard their modesty; and that they should not display their beauty and ornaments except what must ordinarily appear thereof; that they should draw their veils over their bosoms and not display their beauty except to their husbands…
On this misconception, there is a great deal more to write, most of it showing how current practices in many Muslim lands go against what the Qur’an and Sunnah have ordained, lands in which women are treated as property (unIslamic), are not educated (unIslamic), are forbidden their economic rights (unIslamic), and more. On this point in particular, we encourage everyone to consult the Qur’an and Sunnah before incriminating Islam. Always remember that Islam is a complete way of life from the Creator, and that Muslims are people who claim to follow that way of life.
A Muslim may claim to follow Islam, but be wrong.
Misconception 4:
Islam is well-suited only to the Arabs because:
most Muslims are Arabs
the Qur’an is in Arabic
The first reason for this misconception is far from the truth. Of the more than one billion Muslims around the world, only 18% are Arab. The most populous Muslim country in the world is Indonesia. The second most populous Muslim country is Bangladesh. Neither of these countries is Arab.
Arab
Islam is the fastest growing major religion in the world (Encyclopedia Britannica). It has adherents on all the populated continents. It’s accessible to Arabs and non-Arabs alike. In the United States, Muslims are expected to become the largest religious minority around the turn of the century, outstripping the Jews.
The universal appeal of Islam to Arabs and non-Arabs comes in spite of the Qur’an being in Arabic. Allah states in the Qur’an that this way of life called Islam is for all people (translation follows),
[21:107] And We (Allah) have not sent you (Muhammad) but as a mercy to the worlds.
[34:28] We have not sent you but as a universal (Messenger) to men, giving them glad tidings, and warning them (against sin), but most men understand not.
Moreover, the Creator does not use the color or mother tongue of people to judge them, be they Arab or not. Instead, it is the level of their awareness of Allah which is the criterion,
[49:13] O mankind! We created you from a single (pair) of a male and a female, and made you into nations and tribes, that you may know each other (not that you may despise each other). Verily the most honored of you in the sight of Allah is (he who is) the most righteous of you. And Allah has full knowledge and is well acquainted (with all things).”
The choice of Arabic as the language of the Qur’an is explained very simply and clearly (translation follows),
[41:44] And if We (Allah) had made it a Qur’an in a foreign tongue, they would certainly have said: “Why have not its communications been made clear? What! a foreign (tongue) and an Arab!” Say: It is, to those who believe, a guidance and a healing; and (as for) those who do not believe, there is a heaviness in their ears and it is obscure to them; these shall be called to from a far-off place.
However, it is also important to emphasize that the Qur’an in its revealed form in Arabic is the literal Word of the Creator – but any translation is not. Each translation is more accurately called a translation of an interpretation, for every translator includes his or her own bias.
Misconception 5:
Islam rejects Jesus because:
Jesus is not accepted as `the Son of God’
The Qur’an and Sunnah both teach us emphatically and without any doubt that the Creator considers the statement of the Trinity to be a great falsehood. The Qur’an states (translation):
[19:88-93] They say: “(Allah) the Most Merciful has begotten a son!” Indeed you have put forth a thing most monstrous! At it the skies are ready to burst, the earth to split asunder, and the mountains to fall down in utter ruin, that they should invoke a son for (Allah) the Most Merciful. For it is not consonant with the majesty of (Allah) the Most Merciful that He should beget a son: Not one of the beings in the heavens and the earth but must come to (Allah) the Most Merciful as a servant.
However, the misconception that Jesus is rejected does not follow from the reason given above. It is more precise to say that identifying Jesus as `the Son of God’ is rejected. As a Messenger of Allah, Jesus is accorded the same honor that all the Messengers are given, as the following verse attests to (translation),
[2:136] Say (O Muslims): We believe in Allah and that which is revealed to us and that which was revealed to Abraham, and Ishmael, and Isaac, and Jacob, and the tribes, and that which Moses and Jesus received, and that which the prophets received from their Lord. We make no distinction between any of them, and to Him we have surrendered. [Arabic “Muslimoon”]
Misconception 6:
Islam orders the worship of a man because:
Muslims are also `Muhammadans’
Muhammadans
Early non-Muslim quasi-researchers of Islam called it `Muhammadanism’, implying in some way that Muslims worshipped the Messenger of Allah (saas). Hence, the (false) basis for this misconception really emanates from non-Muslims. However, as was described above, a “Muslim” is “one who submits to Allah.” The essence of Islam is pure, pure, pure monotheism. Allah says in the Qur’an (translated):
[112:1-4] Say: He is Allah, the One and Only; Allah, the One on whom all depend; He begets not, nor is He begotten. And there is none comparable to Him.
[3:144] Muhammad is no more than a messenger: many Were the messengers that passed away before him. If he died or were slain, will you then turn back on your heels? If any did turn back on his heels, not the least harm will he do to Allah; but Allah (on the other hand) will swiftly reward those who (serve Him) with gratitude.
From the Sunnah, specifically in the study of the Sunnah called Sahih Bukhari, we find:
[9:93:470] Narrated Mu’adh bin Jabal: The Prophet said, “O Mu’adh! Do you know what Allah’s Right upon His slaves is?” I said, “Allah and His Apostle know best.” The Prophet said, “To worship Him (Allah) Alone and to join none in worship with Him (Allah). Do you know what their right upon Him is?” I replied, “Allah and His Apostle know best.” The Prophet said, “Not to punish them (if they do so).”
[4:55:654] Narrated `Umar: I heard the Prophet saying, “Do not exaggerate in praising me as the Christians praised the son of Mary, for I am only a Slave. So, call me the Slave of Allah and His Apostle.”
Misconception 7:
Islam tolerates the killing of innocents because:
Muslims can be terrorists
Muslims engage in `holy wars’ (jihad)
HolyWar
Islam spread by the sword
it has a harsh and cruel judicial system
This misconception is one of the most widely held misconceptions about Islam today. And yet in the Qur’an, the Creator unambiguously states (translation),
[17:33] Nor take life – which Allah has made sacred – except for just cause. And if anyone is slain wrongfully, we have given his heir authority (to demand retaliation or to forgive): but let him not exceed bounds in the matter of taking life, for he is helped (by the Law)
Based on this verse, it is Islamically unlawful to murder anyone who is innocent of certain crimes. It is well to remember at this point the distinction made above between Qur’an and Sunnah, and the Muslims: only the Qur’an and Sunnah are guaranteed to be in accordance with what the Creator desires, whereas the Muslims may possibly deviate. Hence, if any Muslim kills an innocent person, that Muslim has committed a grave sin, and certainly the action cannot be claimed to have been done “in the name of Islam.”
It should be clear, then, that “Muslim terrorist” is almost an oxymoron: by killing innocent people, a Muslim is committing an awesome sin, and Allah is Justice personified. This phrase is offensive and demeaning of Islam, and it should be avoided. It is hoped that as the general level of public awareness and understanding of Islam increases, people will keep “terrorism” and “Islam” separate from each other, not to be used in the same phrase.
Another reason advanced in support of the misconception is that the Creator has imposed `jihad’ on us. The term “holy war” is from the time of the Crusades and originated in Europe as a rallying cry against the Muslims in Jerusalem. Jihad is an Arabic word meaning struggle, but in the context of many verses in the Qur’an, it carries the meaning of military struggle, or war. Allah gradually introduced the obligation of military struggle to the Muslim community at the time of the Messenger (saas). The first verse ever revealed in that connection is as follows (translation),
[22:39] Permission (to fight) is given to those upon whom war is made because they are oppressed, and most surely Allah is well able to assist them;
This verse lays down the precondition for all war in Islam: there must exist certain oppressive conditions on the people. The Creator unequivocally orders us to fight oppression and persecution, even at the expense of bloodshed as the following verse shows (translation),
[2:190-192] And fight in the cause of Allah with those who fight with you, and do not exceed the limits, surely Allah does not love those who exceed the limits. And kill them wherever you find them, and drive them out from where they drove you out, and persecution is severer than slaughter, and do not fight with them at the Sacred Mosque (in Makkah) until they fight with you in it, but if they do fight you, then slay them; such is the reward of the unbelievers. But if they desist, then surely Allah is Forgiving, Merciful. And fight with them until there is no persecution, and religion should be only for Allah, but if they desist, then there should be no hostility except against the oppressors.
Sacred Mosque (in Makkah)
As one might imagine, the method of military struggle has been clearly and extensively defined in the Qur’an and Sunnah. Since this subject is a huge one, we simply summarize part of it by noting that it is unlawful to kill women, children, the infirm, the old, and the innocent. From the Sunnah, specifically in the study of the Sunnah called Sahih Bukhari, we find:
[4:52:257] Narrated ‘Abdullah: During some of the Ghazawat of the Prophet a woman was found killed. Allah’s Apostle disapproved the killing of women and children.
A related misconception to jihad is often propagated by Muslims who say that “Jihad is only for self-defense of physical borders.” The Qur’an and Sunnah refute this notion categorically. As the verses cited above show, jihad is obligatory wherever there is injustice, and Muslims need not acknowledge imaginary lines around the earth when it comes to upholding this obligation. The Messenger of Allah (saas) has also commented on this extensively in the Sunnah. From the study of the Sunnah called Sahih Bukhari, we find that,
[4:52:65] Narrated Abu Musa: A man came to the Prophet and asked, “A man fights for war booty; another fights for fame and a third fights for showing off; which of them fights in Allah’s Cause?” The Prophet said, “He who fights that Allah’s Word (i.e. Islam) should be superior, fights in Allah’s Cause.”
Hence, the Creator obligates us to fight wherever people are being grossly deprived of freely hearing or practicing the Message of Allah as contained in the Qur’an and Sunnah. Sayyed Qutb, a famous Muslim scholar eloquently discusses the notion of jihad and self-defense in his book Milestones,
“If we insist on calling Islamic jihad a defensive movement, then we must change the meaning of the word `defense’ and mean by it `defense of man’ against all those elements which limit his freedom. These elements take the form of beliefs and concepts, as well as of political systems, based on economic, racial, or class distinction.”
A third reason often cited for the misconception about Islam which says that this way of life tolerates the killing of innocents is that the judicial system of Islam is unnecessarily harsh. This reason is weak in two respects. First, it presupposes that human beings are more just and more merciful than the Creator, and therefore we can change the law. Second, it is often based on gross oversimplifications of Islamic law, such as saying “all thieves get their hands cut off.”
JudicialSystem of Islam
The Qur’an and Sunnah make it clear that the law of retaliation (or equality) governs us for murder and physical injury, but forgiveness is better as the following verses from the Qur’an show (translation),
[2:178] O you who believe! the law of equality is prescribed to you in cases of murder: the free for the free, the slave for the slave, the woman for the woman. But if any remission is made by the brother of the slain, then prosecution (for the bloodwite) should be made according to usage, and payment should be made to him in a good manner; this is an alleviation from your Lord and a mercy; so whoever exceeds the limit after this he shall have a painful chastisement.
[42:40-43] The recompense for an injury is an injury equal thereto (in degree): but if a person forgives and makes reconciliation, his reward is due from Allah: for (Allah) loves not those who do wrong. But indeed if any do help and defend themselves after a wrong (done) to them, against such there is no cause of blame. The blame is only against those who oppress men and insolently transgress beyond bounds through the land, defying right and justice: for such there will be a grievous penalty. And whoever is patient and forgiving, these most surely are actions due to courage.
The Creator ordained the law of retaliation on us knowing full well that we might question it. In many non-Muslim societies today, there are ongoing debates about the death penalty. In Islam, this discussion is moot: the Creator has decided the matter for us. He has however given us an interesting verse in the Qur’an which advises to consider the matter carefully if we want to understand it (translation follows),
[2:179] And there is life for you in (the law of) retaliation, O people of understanding, that you may guard yourselves.
Most people are also unaware of the stringent conditions which must be met for the law of retaliation to be applicable. The Sunnah is full of examples of the Messenger of Allah showing us when the law’s preconditions were fulfilled. For example, a thief is only liable to lose his or her hand if the item stolen exceeds a certain value, and if it is proven that the item was taken from its normal resting place. Stealing food is not punishable by the loss of one’s hand, and other items are exempt as well. This is just an example of how gingerly the law is applied in Islam.
Finally, another reason advanced for this prevalent misconception is that Islam `spread by the sword’. It should be clear by now that we must always distinguish between the Qur’an and Sunnah and the Muslims when it comes to determining what the Creator has asked of us. Allah has stated clearly in the Qur’an (translation),
[2:256] There is no compulsion in religion; truly the right way has become clearly distinct from error; therefore, whoever rejects Satan (and what he calls to) and believes in Allah, he indeed has laid hold on the firmest handhold, which shall not break off, and Allah is Hearing, Knowing.
There is no compulsion where the religion is concerned
Hence, it is impossible to accept Islam under duress. Even if misguided Muslims were to try to `force’ Islam somehow on others, it would not be accepted by the Creator based on this verse.
Historical arguments that try to demonstrate that Muslims did not `convert others by force’ are actually secondary to the argument given above. However, it is worth noting that historically, Islam did spread by peaceful means. The Message of the Creator was conveyed to Africa and to southeast Asia by trading Muslims, and today the largest Muslim country in the world is Indonesia. The military expeditions that led to the conquest of large swathes of territory in Europe and central Asia were all marked by tolerance of other creeds and faith.
Again, it is important to remember that Allah declares it IMPOSSIBLE that Islam can be forced on a person, hence Muslims find it useless to try!
Misconception 8:
Islam is intolerant of other religions because
the Qur’an condemns the other religions as false
The Creator has taught us in the Qur’an and Sunnah that all other `religions’ and ways of life are unacceptable to Him if a person is aware of Islam. The Qur’an states (translation),
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[3:85] And whoever desires a religion other than Islam, it shall not be accepted from him, and in the hereafter he shall be one of the losers.
However, even though the Creator has clearly specified that no other way of life is acceptable to Him except Islam (i.e. submission to Him as embodied in the Qur’an and Sunnah), He has also commanded the Muslims to be tolerant of people who espouse other creeds. From the Sunnah, specifically in the study of the Sunnah called Al-Awsat by Al-Tabarani, we find regarding those non-Muslims living in the Islamic state,
The Messenger of Allah (saas) said, “One who kills a non-Muslim person under protection (Arabic: dhimmi) will not even smell the fragrance of Paradise.”
Also from the Sunnah, specifically in a report from Al-Khatib, we find that the Messenger of Allah (saas) also said:
Whoever hurts a non-Muslim person under protection, I am his adversary, and I shall be an adversary to him on the Day of Resurrection.
In short, Islam is intolerant of false ideas, however it is tolerant of the people who hold to those ideas. One historical example of Muslims living up to the standard of Islam can be found from the time of the Spanish Inquisition. During that disaster sprung by misguided Catholics, some Spanish Jews fled to Muslim Turkey and to this day, there is a community of Spanish-speaking Jews in Turkey. Another example may be found during one of the Crusader invasions from Western Europe. Some of the the Catholic Western European knights were so likely to rape, murder, and pillage the Jews and Orthodox Christians, that when the Muslims won, they were treated as a liberating force by those non-Muslims.
Misconception 9:
Islam is a racist, afro-centric cult because:
Nation of Islam espouses the superiority of the black man
Louis Farrakhan (Nation of Islam)
The Nation of Islam recognizes God as a black man
One of the great misconceptions of the twentieth century is that the so-called `Nation of Islam’ is a Muslim community, or more precisely: a community which submits to Allah by following the Qur’an and Sunnah. The `Nation of Islam’ is a man-made way of life which borrowed some elements of Islam and then mixed them with a large number of inventions and lies to reach their present doctrines.
It suffices to point out the `Nation of Islam’s deviation in two areas. First, they reject the essence of Islam by concocting a story wherein the Creator takes the form of a black man. From their on-line publications, we find that the `Nation of Islam’ believes in …one God (Allah) and that Allah (God) appeared in the Person of Master W. Fard Muhammad, July, 1930; the long awaited `Messiah’ of the Christians and the `Mahdi’ of the Muslims…
However, the Creator states in the Qur’an (translation),
[6:103] No vision can grasp Him, but His grasp is over all vision: He is above all comprehension, yet is acquainted with all things.
The `Nation of Islam’ also claims that white men are `devils’, and that black people are in general superior to all other races. However, from the Sunnah, specifically in the Messenger of Allah’s farewell sermon, we find the Messenger (pbuh) saying:
All mankind is from Adam and Eve, an Arab has no superiority over a non-Arab nor a non-Arab has any superiority over an Arab; also a white has no superiority over a black nor a black has any superiority over a white – except by piety and good action.
There are many other beliefs which the `Nation of Islam’ holds which take it outside of Islam. It is interesting to note that in the mid-1970’s, the overwhelming majority of the group realized its errors and converted to true Islam. There is, however, a splinter group which remains active today.
Misconception 10:
Islam produces a lazy, uneducated society because:
all things come from God, and so fatalism is OK
modern technology and science are condemned
The reasons given for this misconception are false, and the misconception itself is actually refuted directly by the Qur’an and Sunnah. While it is true that the Creator is the source of everything to us, it is not true that this can be used as an excuse for humanity to hide behind as the following verses from the Qur’an state (translation),
[16:35] The worshippers of false gods say: “If Allah had so willed, we should not have worshipped anything but Him – neither we nor our fathers,- nor should we have prescribed prohibitions other than His.” So did those who went before them. But what is the mission of messengers but to preach the Clear Message?
[43:20] They (the idolators) say, “If it had been the will of (Allah) the Most Merciful, we should not have worshipped such (deities)!” Of that they have no knowledge: they do nothing but lie!
Allah has taught us via the Qur’an and Sunnah that we all have a certain amount of free will. This free will must be exercised properly in accordance with the Qur’an and Sunnah to please the Creator. This is plenty of motivation for all Muslims to push themselves to be the most knowledgeable, effective Muslims they can be. If Muslim societies today are not meeting their potential, it is surely not due to their knowledge of Islam, rather it is their ignorance of this way of life. The importance of seeking knowledge and working are made clear in the Sunnah.
From the Sunnah, specifically in the study of the Sunnah called Sunan Abu-Dawud, we find:
[9:1637] Narrated Anas ibn Malik: A man of the Ansar came to the Prophet (pbuh) and begged from him.
Ana’s ibn Malik
He (the Prophet) asked: Have you nothing in your house? He replied: Yes, a piece of cloth, a part of which we wear and a part of which we spread (on the ground), and a wooden bowl from which we drink water.
He said: Bring them to me. He then brought these articles to him and he (the Prophet) took them in his hands and asked: Who will buy these? A man said: I shall buy them for one dirham. He said twice or thrice: Who will offer more than one dirham? A man said: I shall buy them for two dirhams.
He gave these to him and took the two dirhams and, giving them to the Ansari, he said: Buy food with one of them and hand it to your family, and buy an axe and bring it to me. He then brought it to him. The Apostle of Allah (pbuh) fixed a handle on it with his own hands and said: Go, gather firewood and sell it, and do not let me see you for a fortnight. The man went away and gathered firewood and sold it. When he had earned ten dirhams, he came to him and bought a garment with some of them and food with the others.
The Apostle of Allah (pbuh) then said: This is better for you than that begging should come as a spot on your face on the Day of Judgment. Begging is right only for three people: one who is in grinding poverty, one who is seriously in debt, or one who is responsible for compensation and finds it difficult to pay.
Also from the Sunnah, specifically in the study of the Sunnah called Sunan Ibn Majah, we find that the Messenger of Allah said:
Seeking knowledge is a duty upon every Muslim.
Knowledge of the Qur’an and Sunnah are clearly the best types of knowledge, and knowledge which benefits humanity is good as well. The Qur’an and Sunnah do not condemn the study of this earth and in fact the Creator encourages us to investigate the world we live in according to the following verse from the Qur’an (translation),
[3:190-191] Behold! in the creation of the heavens and the earth, and the alternation of night and day, there are indeed Signs for people of understanding. People who celebrate the praises of Allah, standing, sitting, and lying down on their sides, and contemplate the (wonders of) creation in the heavens and the earth, (with the thought): “Our Lord! not for nothing have You created (all) this! Glory to You! Give us salvation from the penalty of the Fire.”
Allah
Anything good in this document is from Allah, while everything bad in it is from us.
Genesis 25:20-26 Isaac and Rebekah had twins, Jacob and Esau.
Genesis 25:28 Isaac loved (preferred) Esau. Rebekah loved (preferred) Jacob.
This Biblical model indicates that God’s current favorite parents each prefer one of their children over the other. What would happen if you told your not-chosen child that you follow this Biblical model?
Genesis 26:9-10 Isaac lied to King Abimelech saying Rebekah was his sister, tempting to sacrifice his wife’s having sex (with Abimelech), in fear, to save himself and was caught at it.
King Abimelech Saw Isaac Hugging & Kissing Rebekah
Didn’t Isaac also became very wealthy, like Abraham, as God’s second pimp?
Is God Omnipotent? Is God all-ruling, all-powerful and in control?
Does God always fulfill God’s plans without fail? What does the Bible say?
Does the Bible prove that God was not all-powerful?
Didn’t God repent for making man? Didn’t God repent for His admitted mistake?
Didn’t God prove to be the most miserable character in the entire Bible? Can you name another Biblical character who was documented to be more miserable than the Biblical God? Job was miserable only because God allowed Satan to make Job miserable. Satan tempted, enticed, moved God to test Job. God was ultimately responsible for the killing of Job’s children and all the other pain that Job experienced.
Satan is not the unchangeable God’s adversary – as Satan can do nothing without the Biblical God’s consent.
Is God Omnipresent? Is God everywhere, all the time?
God came down to Adam & Eve and asked where they were.
God came down and Ezekiel saw God in what he described to be a space craft. Ezekiel, along with other Biblical characters – like Abraham, Jacob and Moses – documented that they saw God in a specific place.
Did Ezekiel Describe A flying Saucer?
Is God Omniscient? Does God have complete and unlimited knowledge of all things?
If God is all-knowing, all-powerful and good, how can evil, pain and punishment exist? How can “in control” God exist along with His creation of evil and suffering – unless God controls evil and suffering? So believer, does the Biblical God control evil and suffering? If God is in control of humanity’s evil and suffering, with all the war, murdering and suffering history time has documented, how can God be considered good?
Believers claim that God is all-knowing, all-loving, all-powerful and good.
Believers, out of groveling fear, spin an ugly, murderous character into something loving and good.
Believers demand that you and I are members of God’s big picture – God’s higher plan.
It’s the old “You’ve got to crack a few eggs to make an omelet”.
Believers insist that even if bad things happen to most people, God’s plan pleases God and that God is good.
But, if God is truly good and all-powerful, God could change His plan for the good of everyone. Why doesn’t God do that – if God is good?
Otherwise, the reality of pain, misery, evil and death must be God’s plan and for God’s pleasure. How, with integrity, could it be any other way? How can a good, loving, all-powerful, all-knowing, God allow evil and sin – unless it is God’s pleasure to punish and bring pain to His creation? Why does God allow innocent people to suffer for the evil that others put on them? Be honest now. If God was truly good, would there be suffering? Suffering, evil, punishment and even “Eternal Torment” must give God pleasure – if it is truly “all for God’s pleasure”.
Is “The Fear Of God” the Believer’s Greatest Fear?
Believers claim that God makes people suffer so that they become stronger.
If God is all-powerful, why does God need us to be stronger? If God is an adversary to evil, God proves notto be strong enough to eliminate evil. God must need evil – for “God’s pleasure”.
Believers claim that evil makes us know God – which is good.
If God is all-powerful, good and loving and evil did not exist, God could gain a believer’s love instead of having believers fear God’s documented evil, murderous and cancerous agenda.
Believers say that the Devil damages and kills us in the sight of God.
Where in the Bible, C&V, is it specifically documented that Satan or a Devil killed a Human Being? It was the Biblical God who used “Death Angels” to murder Human Beings. If God is good, loving and all-powerful, why can’t God keep Satan or the Devil from contaminating Human Beings? Obviously and honestly, the Biblical God doesn’t want to stop the evil. The Biblical God wants the evil, pain and suffering because – if God is truly in control – evil, pain and suffering is what gives the Biblical God pleasure.
God’s Death Angel?
Believers claim that life is just a test and that God puts us through all the evil, pain and suffering just to see what kind of person we are.
Ok. If God does know-it-all, then, why does God have to test us? If God is in control, we each are doing exactly what God wants us to do. Aren’t we?
Believers claim that God only selects those souls who are to serve God for eternity.
Due to my knowing the Biblical God’s insane, murderous track-record, I don’t care to serve such a character during my lifetime – nor for eternity.
Believers claim that the rest of us – who are not chosen by God – are to suffer “Eternal Torment”.
God is saying, “If you don’t obey Me, I will punish your forever”. I despise such an evil character – fictitious or not.
Believers claim that God gave us “free-will”.
If Human Beings truly have “free-will”, it proves that the Biblical God does not know-it-all and that God is notin control. If just one Human Animal, on planet Earth, truly has free-will, God is not in control. If God didsend our souls to Earth and God did know who would be saved and who would not be saved, then God is sadistic and evil to send us into “Eternal Torment” for the “sinning” that God is claimed to already know that you and I would do.
Believers claim that God is the same and unchanging from the “Alpha to the Omega”.
If the Biblical God does not change and is the same from “the alpha to the omega”, then, God cannot have “free-will”.
If there truly is an “alpha to the omega” (the beginning to the end) – then – there is no “eternal” anything.
Believers claim that rational, courageous thinkers are insane not to believe in such Biblical nonsense and God-Murderous insanity.
Insanity: Not having the capacity to know right from wrong. Believers prefer blind and ignorant faith rather than to know. Who proves to be insane?
Believers claim that the Biblical God can do anything.
Judge: Mr. Believer Defendant, you are accused of sellingtainted meat to a family that resulted in two dead and oneterminally ill. How do you plead?
Defendant: Innocent, your honor.
Judge: Do youwish to testify on you own behalf?
Defendant: Yes, your honor.
Judge: Swear himin.
Defendant: Your honor, if you swear me in on this here Bible, I would likeit to show in the record that it was done.
Sworn In On The Bible?
Judge: Granted, because I believe in God; and inmy court, you will respect God, country, me and my court. Did you sell this family meat?
Defendant: Sir, because you believe in God, I will tell you the facts. Yes, your honor.
Judge: Where did you get the meat?
Defendant: I found it dead in the back woods, your honor.
Judge: Describe it’s condition.
Defendant: Well, your honor, it stank a little and had a few maggots that I scrapped off, but, I knew it would be ok.
Judge: In your defense what evidence do you have to prove that you are innocent?
Defendant: Well, your honor, turn to this very King James Bible you sworeme in on to Deuteronomy 14:21.God directed: “Ye shall not eatof anything that dieth of itself, thou shalt give it or sellit to a stranger to eat.” God told me to sell to a strangersome rancid meat. If he gets sick or dies, it’s God’s will, notmine. I was just following God’s Biblical orders. Judge, if youfind me guilty, and, if you believe in the Bible; you must findGod guilty too.
Don’t Eat An Animal That Died On Its Own
Case dismissed…
“You’re Taking It Out Of Context!”
Believer’s Defense Tactics
Scenario
Judge: Ok, accused, tell your story.
Accused: Well judge, I broke into the place and went over and smashed the jewelry case and took the jewels. Then, I destroyed some furniture, blew open the safe, shot the maid, took the money, smoked some crack cocaine and went to a movie.
Judge: You shot the maid?
I Shot the Maid
Accused: Judge, you’re taking it out of context.
Judge: This court has determined that the fact you shot the maid has a context and an importance of it’s own. You are found guilty by your own admission.
King Saul is dead. David again rejoins Israel. David double-crosses his old buddy, King Achish, and the Philistines and with God’s help destroys them. For this, he is eventually rewarded and crowned King of both Judah and Israel.
II Samuel 1:1-16 An Amalekite man reported to David that he saw King Saul leaning on his spear and that Saul begged him to finish him off. Seeing that Saul could not survive his wounds, he finished him. David ordered that man murdered stating that he had testified against himself and killed God’s anointed.
A man did what the King begged him to, and David murdered him.
II Samuel 2:4 The men of Judah anointed David King. About 1000 BC
David is Anointed King of Judah
II Samuel 2:8-9 Ishbaal, son of Saul, is anointed King over the rest of Israel.
Here is more evidence that David was not totally popular.
II Samuel 2:14-16 Abner said to Joab: Let the young men perform for us. Joab replied: All right! 12 of Ishbaal’s Benjamites & 12 of David’s servants squared off. Each grasped his opponent’s head and thrust his sword into his opponent’s side, and they all died together.
Ah – the Humanity. The mentality. Notice our introduction to Joab, King David’s right-hand General.
War takes place when someone, you don’t know, orders you to murder people you don’t know to fulfill an agenda you don’t know. You, and other people, are expendable. The war agenda is all that is important. History will remember the tyrants who orchestrated the agenda, not you or me. As a retired Army officer, I acknowledge this.
II Samuel 2:18-23 Asahel, Joab’s brother, set out after Abner. Abner warned Asahel: Stop pursuing me. Why must I kill you? How could I face your brother, Joab? Abner killed him.
II Samuel 2:26-31 Abner asked for a truce and Joab granted it. The score was: David’s men: 1 dead, 19 missing; Abner’s men: 360 dead.
David murdered brother Israelites so to win domination over them? What a King! What a God’s hero! What a God!
II Samuel 3:1 There followed a long war between the house of Saul and King David with David winning.
II Samuel 3:7-10 King Ishbaal asked Abner: Why have you been having sex with my father’s (Saul’s) concubine? Abner said: I’m doing a kindness by keeping you out of David’s hands and you charge me with a crime involving a woman? God do me, if I don’t take away the Kingdom from the house of Saul and establish the throne of David, King over Israel and Judah.
Wow! Seriously, do you think that could ever happen among our political leaders? The accused is going to change sides and fight for the enemy, David, against his accuser.
II Samuel 3 Abner sent messengers to David to say: Make an agreement with me and I will bring all Israel over to you. David said: Ok, if you bring my wife Michal, Saul’s daughter to me. Abner left in peace. Joab came back from murdering, bringing much plunder. He asked David: Why did you let Abner go? He was here to deceive you. Without David’s knowledge, Joab sent for Abner, privately took him aside and murdered him in vengeance (for killing his brother in self defense.) David declared: Before God, I and my Kingdom are forever innocent. Joab is responsible. May Joab’s family never be without suffering a discharge, or a leper, or of being unmanly, or of falling on the sword or of starving.
King David turned on his General Joab.
II Samuel 3:38-39 David mourned Abner as a great fallen General and said: Although I am anointed King, I am weak today and these men are too ruthless for me. May God requite the evildoer in accordance with his evil deed.
David leaves the revenge of Abner’s death, the punishment of Joab in the hands of God. David must have some further need of Joab.
II Samuel 4 When Ishbaal heard of Abner’s death, he gave up. Two of his own Benjamite company commanders stole into his house while he slept, cut his head off and took it to King David.
David had them murdered, cut off their hands and feet and hung them up near the pool.
II Samuel 5:4-5 David was 30 years old when he became King and reigned for 40 years; 33 years in Jerusalem over all Israel.
II Samuel 5:8 David said: The lame and the blind shall be the personal enemies of David and they shall never enter the palace. Catholic
The Biblical God is David’s model. Do handicapped Judeo-Christian believers know of this?
II Samuel 5:11 Hiram, the King of Tyre, built a palace for David.
II Samuel 5:13 David took more concubines and wives and more kids were born to him.
David, God’s chosen hero, appears to be another sex machine. But just wait for Solomon!
II Samuel 5:17-20 The Philistines searched for David. He asked God if he should attack them. God said: Attack! I will deliver them to you, and David defeated them.
II Samuel 6:1-8 David assembled 30,000 men of Israel to move the Arc of God. Uzzah guided the Arc and reached out his hand to steady the Arc for the oxen were making it tip. That angered God, who murdered Uzzah. David was disturbed because God murdered Uzzah.
God Murdered Uzzah
This God is an insane moron, because obviously, He makes fatal mistakes. If He were a mere man, He would be a petty man with an enormous, narcissistic ego and childish feelings.
Hummm, whom does that remind me of?
II Samuel 6:13-23 David danced in an apron before God. Michal, (David’s wife / Saul’s daughter) saw David leaping and dancing before God and despised him with all her heart. David made a sacrifice to God and the Arc. Michal said: How the King has honored himself today, exposing himself in view of the slave girls and of his followers, as a commoner might do. David said: I was dancing before God who preferred me to your father. I may be low in your eyes but not with the slave girls. Michal was childless to the day of her death.
Who does he kinda remind me of?
Made to be childless is the ultimate punishment for women in the Bible.
II Samuel 7:9-10 God told David: I have been with you wherever you went and have destroyed your enemies before you. I will make you famous like the great ones of the Earth. I will fix a place for My people so that they will live without further disturbance. The wicked shall not afflict them as they did of old.
What? God had nothing to do with the great ones of the Earth? There were always many greater nations than the Israelites throughout all of history and as far as God’s promise: To fix a place so that they would live without further disturbance, through 2023, the Almighty’s pledge has been entirely without merit as Jews have always been persecuted.
II Samuel 7:12-16 I will raise up your heir making his Kingdom firm forever. If he errors, I will correct him with Human chastisements. I will not withdraw my favor from him as I did with your predecessor, Saul, whom I removed. Your house, your Kingdom and your throne will stand forever.
II Samuel 7:22-23 (David kisses buttocks): You are great; there is none like You and no God but You… You cleared nations and their gods out of the way for your people.
Could David be just talking to his own ego? Is that what we all do while pretending it is God?
Define the behavior of GOD: I am the value. I am the authority. I am entitled.
Define the behavior of EGO: I am the value. I am the authority. I am entitled.
II Samuel 7:28 Lord God, You are God and Your words are truth…
II Samuel 8:1 David attacked and conquered the Philistines.
David Conquered The Philistines
II Samuel 8:4 David hamstrung horses.
This heinous act tends to make almost everyone insanely mad; well, those with empathy and a conscience.
II Samuel 8:5 David slew 22,000.
II Samuel 8:13 David became famous for slaying 18,000 Edomites.
II Samuel 8:18 And David’s sons were priests (Catholic) were chief rulers. (KJV)
Did these heroes or warmongers invent their own God? Doesn’t everyone?
Q: How many gods do you think there have been?
A: Almost one GOD for each EGO.
After death, one exists only within the knowledge of documented history. When that is gone, it is as if one never existed. Their immortality is no more. GWD
II Samuel 10:1-18 The King of the Ammonites died and his son Hanun succeeded him. David sent his condolences Hanun was told the men were spies and Hanun shaved half their beards, took their pants off and sent them home. David was offended and sent Joab to fight the mercenary Arameans that the King hired. Then David’s men killed 700 charioteers and 40,000 Aramean foot soldiers.
II Samuel 11:1 David sent out Joab and the army and they ravaged Ammon.
David was insulted and killed over 40,000 men? How many of his own troops had to die just because he felt insulted? Is the exposure complete, the torch passed? Has the myth of this God and the Ego of David shown through? Was there a real Biblical God or only the real Egos of madmen who wanted to document their insanity? And I’m an angry writer? What? Me?
Would and / or could any modern politician go to war merely to protect his image?
II Samuel 11 David spots Bathsheba, the wife of his officer Uriah in her bath. He took her, seduced her and made her pregnant. David told Joab to send Uriah in from battle so that Uriah could have sex with Bathsheba, his wife, and think the child to be his. Uriah won’t have sex with his wife while his troops suffer in battle. David sends Uriah back into battle with a letter telling Joab to put him in a killing zone so that he will die. Uriah does die.
David & Bathsheba
Bible Notes suggests: Uriah was Joab’s personal armor bearer.
It’s the old “My God, King, and Country, right or wrong.”
This story kinda gets my fists in a bunch! Angry writer? GWD
Gary W. DeVaney’s personal declaration:
If my country, The United States of America, is ever attacked, as a retired U. S. Army Officer, I will fight to defend it and its citizens to the death, mine and / or the enemies. But never will someone I don’t know pick an enemy I don’t know for me to kill for reasons I don’t know.
II Samuel 11:27 David sent for Bathsheba, married her and she bore him a son. David had displeased God.
Conflict? Contradiction? I Samuel 25:28 David fights the battles of God and evil has not been found in him in all his days.
In all his days was obviously before the David, Bathsheba, Uriah thing.
II Samuel 12:7-11 Nathan told David: I, (God) gave you Saul’s house and wives for your own. I gave you Israel and Judah. You took Uriah’s wife and had him killed. Because you have despised Me and have taken the wife of Uriah to be your wife, and killed Uriah, I (God) will bring evil upon you out of your own house. Your neighbor will have sex with your wives in broad daylight in the presence of all Israel.
What? The Biblical God causes adultery and voyeurism?
King David probably thought: Ho hum, another orgy.
Bathsheba was rumored to have stopped attending orgies.
Too many thank-you notes.
Do you think that the neighbor, who God forced to have sex with David’s wives, will be punished for it? Did David’s wives have any say in the matter? Did God arrange rape for these women? What’s God’s teaching point? Will David or God punish them for adultery? Isn’t it voyeurism for all Israel to observe these sex-acts? And how did that take place? Israel didn’t have TV.
II Samuel 13:1-18 David said: I have sinned against God. Nathan answered: God on His part, has forgiven your sin. You shall not die. God instead murdered (innocent) David’s and Bathsheba’s (guilty) baby at (the grand old age of) seven (7) days.
Ezekiel 18:20 The son shall NOT be charged with the guilt of the father.
God sends evil to David’s innocent, no name child, murdering him only 7 days after he is born. Wake up, oh comatose believer, who stubbornly, steadfastly and righteously remains in denial of the Biblical God’s evil! What is wrong with these pictures? God shows favor to David, who disobeys most of His sacred commandments: Thou shalt not covet thy neighbor’s wife, thou shalt not commit adultery, thou shalt not steal and thou shalt not murder. David does them all, but this God forgives his sins, by punishing others who are treated no differently than sacrificial animals. God spared David’s life by sentencing his innocent son, the product of David’s adultery, to death in his stead. God punishes the innocent child for his father’s sins. Do you really love this God or just fear Him?
This God supposedly wrote the 10 commandments in stone but, His own Biblical heroes, like Himself, broke most of them over and over. If some Devil’s heroes did that, it would be more understandable. But no, there’s only this Biblical God. Aren’t evil deeds what they are regardless of who does them? Why a capital D for Devil? Because this Devil depicted in the Torah and this God are proving to be the same character.
II Samuel 12:24 David comforted Bathsheba, had sex with her again and she bore Solomon. God loved Solomon.
Solomon, a son of an adulteress mother, became an even greater King than his murdering, thieving, adulteress, madman father, David. Isn’t it time someone pointed out the facts?
II Samuel 12:29-30 David captured the city Rabbah, took the crown that weighed a talent of gold & precious stones from King Milcom’s head and placed it on his own head. David took immense booty out of the city.
II Samuel 13 David’s son, Absalom, had a beautiful sister named Tamar and David’s son Amnon loved her. (Tamar and Amnon were half-brother and sister. They had the same father, David, and different mothers.) Amnon wanted Tamar and pretended to be sick so to get her into bed. She made cakes and brought them to him, and he seduced her. He seized her and said: Come lie (have sex) with me, my sister. Tamar said: No my brother, don’t shame me. That is an intolerable crime in Israel. Please, speak to the King. He will not keep me from you. Amnon overpowered her, had sex with her (raped her) then hated her.
He probably ordered her to: “Get it up – get it in – get it on – get it off – and get out.”
Amnon & Tamar
Tamar cried: No brother, to drive me out would be far worse than what you have done. Amnon ordered his attendant to put her out and bar the door. Tamar tore her dress, put ashes on her head and cried loudly.
Her brother, Absalom asked: Has your brother Amnon been with you? Be still my sister; he is your brother. Don’t take this affair to heart. But, Tamar remained in grief. David got word of it and became angry. He did not show resentment toward Amnon, because, he was David’s first-born. Absalom said nothing but hated Amnon for what he did. After two years, Absalom threw a banquet and invited all the Princes. Absalom instructed servants: When Amnon is merry with wine and I say murder Amnon, put him to death.
Absalom Ordered Amnon Killed
They did kill Amnon. A report reached King David that Absalom had killed Amnon because Absalom revenged his sister. Absalom then fled to Talmai for three years.
II Samuel 14 Joab observed how King David felt about Absalom. He coached a woman, with a story, to get David to bring Absalom back home. It worked. David told Joab to bring back Absalom. Absalom was the most beautiful man in all Israel. He had 3 sons besides a beautiful daughter he named Tamar. Absalom then lived in Jerusalem for 2 years without appearing before the King. Then he summoned Joab twice to send him to the King, but Joab would not come to him. Absalom set fire to Joab’s fields. Joab asked Absalom why he set fire to his fields? I summoned you to go to David to ask why he brought me back. I would be better off if I were still there. If I am guilty let him put me to death. Joab reported to David, who then called Absalom in, who fell on his face and David kissed him.
David Pardoned Absalom
Absalom was obviously pardoned. This displays that evil is corrupt.
I Samuel 15 Absalom began politicking roadside, shaking hands and kissing people to steal the loyalty of the men of Israel to declare Absalom the King of Hebron. King David was informed that the Israelites had transferred their loyalty to Absalom. David fled the city taking his entire household except for 10 concubines he left behind to care for the palace.
Much of Israel had turned against the great King David?
II Samuel 16 Shimei, of the same clan as Saul, cursed: Away (David) you murderous and wicked man. God has requited you for your bloodshed of the family of Saul. God has given your Kingdom to your son, Absalom. You suffer, because you are a murderer. David said: Let him curse. It is probably God doing it. Absalom entered Jerusalem with the Israelites. David’s spy, Hushi, won Absalom’s confidence and he asked him what he should do. Hushi said: Have sex with your father’s (10) concubines, that he had left behind. Absalom had sex with them in view of all Israel. Ahithophel, at that time, was divine counsel for both David and Absalom.
II Samuel 17 Ahithophel told Absalom: Let me choose 12,000 men to pursue David tonight. I shall cause him panic and when he flees, I shall murder the King alone and bring back the rest to you as a bride returns to her husband. It is the death of one man you seek; then all the people will be at peace. The plan was agreeable to Absalom and all the elders of Israel. Hushai said: This time Ahithophel has not given good counsel, as your father and his men are warriors, as fierce as a bear robbed of her cubs.
I counsel: Let all Israel be called up for combat. David nor his followers shall survive. God undid Ahithophel’s good counsel in order to bring Absalom to ruin. Ahithophel saw that his counsel was not acted upon, so, he saddled his ass, went home to his city, and hanged himself.
A God-fearing believer’s world is one of fear and paranoia. The believer tends to promote fear even when it is not prevalent. Fear, to them, is a vogue addiction. Preaching his fear, attempts to altar and shrink the world of the non-addicted. Although, the fearful believer is miserable, he claims his misery to be righteous, God-like sacrifice. He wants to save your soul, for you to sacrifice your world, to adopt fear and be like him, or else.
II Samuel 18 King David said to the soldiers: I intend to go with you myself. (If all Israel is with Absalom, who are these soldiers?) They replied: You must not come with us. If we should flee, we do not count. Even if half of us should die, we do not count. You are equal to 10,000 of us. It is better you help us from the city. David said: I will do what you think best.
Does this one particular Biblical Scripture give Government heads the privilege to wage war at the expense of the troops without fear of loss of their own life or limb?
The King commanded Joab: Be gentle with young Absalom, my son, for my sake.
A hypocrisy of war: Let the innocent people who are forced to soldier and any unfortunate civilians die, but, try not to kill the one who waged this war against me, because he is special to me, they are not. Doesn’t David’s “ego” (feelings and emotional intensity) sound awful God-like?
David defeated Israel with 20,000 casualties. The thickets consumed more combatants than the sword. Absalom’s mule passed under branches which his hair got caught in and he hung there alive. Someone saw him there and reported it to Joab. Joab asked: Why didn’t you kill him? I would have given you 50 pieces of silver. The man replied to Joab: If I had 1,000 pieces of silver, I would not harm the King’s son as he told you to protect his son for his sake. Joab replied: I will not waste time with you and taking three darts in hand thrust for the heart of Absalom still hanging alive from the tree. Next, 10 of Joab’s men killed Absalom with further blows.
II Samuel 19 David cried for Absalom. Joab said: You have put all your servants to shame today by loving those who hate you and hating those who love you. You have shown that officers and servants (soldiers?) mean nothing to you. If Absalom were alive and we were dead you would think that more suitable. Go talk to your men or I swear by God, none will stay with you. So David did. David won over all Judahites and swore to Absalom’s General, Amasa, that he would replace David’s general Joab. Judah asked King David to return with all his people.
Almost everybody brown-nosed David and he forgives them. Because Absalom, David’s son was his enemy, is that where the distorted Biblical quote: “Love your enemy” came from? Jesus used it. Let’s pursue this: Here is a paradox maybe overlooked.
Jesus said He would turn “father against son”, “mother against daughter”: Matthew 10:35-36, and to “love your enemy”: Luke 6:27. If this verse isn’t Jesus’ “love those who hate you” and “hate those who love you”, what is? If Jesus got this idea from Joab, Jesus should also realize that Joab called it a shame.
Do you realize that since Moses, God, no longer speaks directly with His Biblical heroes? He’s using questionable – no murderous, madmen called prophets, to communicate His sick and destructive ambitions. This God had similar effects on people that the nuclear threat had on the World during the cold war; except, nuclear bombs are real.
II Samuel 20 Sheba, a rebellious Benjamite, called for Israel to leave King David and they followed him.
Sheba, a rebellious Benjamite,
Here is more evidence that there are Israelites who still don’t think much of King David.
King David came back to the palace and placed the 10 concubines in confinement until the day of their own (natural) deaths.
Why? Do you view they initiated anything wrong? Does this, in your value system, seem fair? Could you still be stuck in: My God; my King, my Country, right or wrong? Why should these women have to suffer confinement until their death? They, seemingly, had no choice in the matter.
The King said to Amasa: Summon the Judahites in 3 days. Amasa did, but was a little late. David said: Sheba may do us more harm than Absalom did. Pursue him. Joab marched out and met up with Amasa. Joab asked: How are you my brother?
Have you noticed that as much as Joab has hurt and disobeyed King David, because Joab is a badass, David still has use of him.
Donald Trump has kept his turncoats close as long as he feels a need of them. When he no longer needs them, he throws them under the bus like he never knew them.
II Samuel 20:9-10 With his right hand, Joab held Amasa’s beard as if to kiss him. Since Amasa was not on guard, Joab stabbed him in the belly so that his intestines spilled out on the ground. Joab thrust him again and Amasa died.
Ah! The Holy Bible is such a beautiful children’s book, don’t you think? What? You don’t read this sacred and holy Bible chapter and verse to your child before he or she goes to sleep?
II Samuel 20:16-23 A wise woman learned Joab wanted Sheba, as he had rebelled against King David. She saved Joab’s destroying her city when she had the head of Sheba thrown over the city wall to Joab. Joab was in command of the whole army of Israel.
II Samuel 21: God put 3 successive years of famine on David’s reign. God was mad because Saul had wronged the Gibeonites. David asked them: What can I do to make atonement? They said: We make no claim against Saul’s house. David said that he would do whatever they wanted. The Gibeonites said to David: As for the man who was exterminating us, that we would have no place in Israel let 7 men from among Saul’s descendants be given to us that we may dismember them before God. David said: I will give them up. David took 7 descendants of Saul and gave them up so they were dismembered before God.
Do you remember in I Samuel 24:22-23 when Saul said to David: Swear to me, by God, that you will not destroy my descendants. Didn’t David swear to Saul his oath? Wasn’t that oath to God? Yes, and here, David broke it. What do you now believe concerning King David’s integrity, by God? David’s promises prove to be no better than God’s promises. Is this an example of the Judeo-Christian ethic?
Pardon my naivete for asking such questions, but, it seems the hypnotized, conditioned and brainwashed cannot ask them. GWD
David gathered the bones of Saul, Jonathan and those who had been dismembered and buried them with Saul’s father Kish. God then granted relief to the land.
If human-beings went to war against non-human-beings, which side would you be on? Would you sell-out humanity to a force, a God or an enemy who plans to destroy you and your species? What if that God promised to save you but to destroy all who don’t become Its mindless, fearful, worshipful and obedient slaves? Have you bought into the re-cycling mentality that the Christian Europeans used while exterminating the American Indians?
Brainwashed: A condition which prevents critical thinking. Believers, especially in public, are incapable of questioning the Holy Bible or to be critical of Its God. They are brainwashed. They, like most addicts, do insist that they are capable of change – just don’t feel like it – don’t want to. A brainwashed believer can not change his or her condition by themselves. It takes an outside force, a fear of loss, incarceration, or a reward by bribery, to change a stubborn, brainwashed mind-set or will-set. Prisons often change mind-sets and / or delay the acting out of will-sets. Addicts and believers emotionally defend their brainwashed mind-sets and / or will-sets. The supporting of a criminal deed is a heinous mind-set. One, who perpetuates faith and ignorance instead of courageously acknowledging and objecting to God’s crimes, is also a projecting a brainwashed mind-set.
II Samuel 24:1 The anger of The Lord was kindled against Israel and God moved David against them to say go number Israel and Judah. David told Joab to register the people for their number. Joab asked David: Why do you order this? David over-ruled Joab and so they did it. Joab, after 9 months and 20 days, reported to David the number of people registered: In Israel 800,000 men fit for military service; in Judah 500,000. (God had moved David to count his people, by census, and when he does, God goes berserk.) God gives David the choice of 3 punishments: 7 years of famine, 3 months being pursued by enemies or 3 days of pestilence.
Does this God have a multiple-personality disorder? Can’t you remember (short term) that this very God ordered the numbering?
Anger note: Emotional rushes sometimes allow memory to linger longer.
Behold: One of the greatest contradictions and conflicts in the entire Bible, little noticed:
I Chronicles 21:1 And Satan stood up against Israel, and provoked David to number Israel. (KJV) (A Satan rose…) Catholic
What? Who? The book of I Chronicles 21:1 and II Samuel 24:1 cover similar ground. Is there any “Satan” mentioned Bible C&V before this verse in I Chronicles 21:1?
Q: Could this evidence show the Biblical God and Satan to be the same character?
Believers (all together now): No, damn it! Because, we don’t want them to be!
II Samuel 24:15 David picks pestilence, and God (or was it Satan?) murders 70,000 more of the people.
Were these people not David’s and God’s own people? What did they have to do with David’s / God’s / Satan’s deals?
II Samuel 24:17 David asked God (not Satan): What have they done? Punish me and my kin. Gad, on behalf of God, told David to build an altar to God. David built an altar and offered holocausts (sacrifices) and peace offerings.
God stopped His murdering at 70,000 dead.
So, God / Satan tells David to do something, David does it. God / Satan murders 70,000 innocent people for David’s doing it, but not King David, himself. Exactly, what is one’s faith being put into? Is religion itself evil? By Biblical evidence, was Satan male or female?
Recap: In I Samuel 17:51, David killing Goliath of Gath conflicts with II Samuel 21:19, which states El-Hanan kills Goliath of Gath, so Chronicles 20:5 claims that El-Hanan killed Lahmi, the brother of Goliath.
Q: Wouldn’t it be something if David really didn’t kill Goliath? It would really be something if, in reality, there was no King David.
Could it be that the book of Chronicles was post-written to smooth-over some Biblical contradictions and conflicts such as the introduction of Satan to take credit for what was initially deemed one or all of the Biblical God’s heinous acts. Does the book of Chronicles serve as a Biblical and political spin doctor?
Believer: No! We want David to have killed Goliath and God never killed nobody!
The Bible has shaped the ethics of governments and their criminals. The Biblical God plays favorites at the expense of others. So do governments who follow the Biblical God model. It’s called politics. The ignorant and the innocent are the ones who tend to suffer.
Did God create Satan? Yes / No?
Is God in charge of Satan? Does Satan account to God?
Is Satan just a competition for God’s amusement?
Is the result really “Eternal-Damnation and Torture” for Human Beings? Would a decent God create this kind of reality?
The authoritarian claims that obedience is the essence of wisdom.
Again, some people view these writings as the writings of an angry author. Granted, this God does often make me angry by the horrendous things He does, but mostly, I think that the bottom line words and choices I capture and get down on paper bothers them. I tend to cover acres in a sentence and my view don’t seem to be easily compromised. That tends to disturb some. Others feel to debate these perspectives would accomplish nothing simply because they couldn’t win. However, my views aren’t mysterious. My cards are all face up. I am honest and I don’t hold back. GWD
After thousands of hours of Biblical study (just me and “the Book”), my case rests with these writings. I’ve spent hundreds of hours studying tapes of prominent clergy spinning yarns about chapters and verse that have little to do with what is actually written. Strong pro-God egos with an attitude of superiority, will tend to demonize and dismiss these writings. They won’t get caught debating them to any depth. Some do counter and when countered back, disappear stating a debate with me is useless and a waste of their time. Most, if they can’t save my soul, give up. Debating the topic or the facts is not interesting to them, only changing others to be like them to serve their agendas pleases them. How God-like. How can questions, observation and perspectives concerning their Biblical God, upon whom their entire spiritual and financial lives are based, be a waste of their time?
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The best, most knowledgeable debater I have found concerning Biblical Errancy is C. Dennis McKinsey. (Deceased) I could not argue for control with Dennis as he produced undeniable chapter and verse evidence. Those chapters and verses just won’t go away. In competition, I would readily yield to his knowledge and debate skills. I did debate topics and questioned Dennis. I learned much from him. He was my mentor. I do get the privilege to trek through his mind as he wrote 2 book and he printed a monthly newsletter.
Dennis Mckinseybooks are the best in my library:
Biblical Errancy & The Encyclopedia of Biblical Errancy
It was after my personal study of the Bible that I came across Dennis’ Biblical Errancy.
C. Dennis McKinsey
It provided a whole new depth of study for me.
If you go into your Biblical study with a skeptical, critical and an investigative agenda, aren’t you more apt to recognize the Biblical facts?
Why are most Biblical stories concerning God stuffed full of war, murder, adultery, theft, violence, criminality and suffering? God orders people not to do these things – then orders all these things to take place. Many clergy say that God pre-ordained it all. He is in charge and it’s all part of His plan. What a sick scenario. What, I sound like an angry writer?
Who was it that said: Oh God, I feel heart-felt repentance. I am deeply grieved and so – so sorry You are the way You are and that You created me to be what I have become. Please, when I die, just leave me alone to sleep in non-existence, forever and ever without You or that other place. Amen.
Somebody must have said it.
gary@gdevaney.com
David fait passer sur les Ammonites des chars armés de faux. Gustave Doré (ci-dessous : détails)
The Ideological Believer: I don’t want to read your empty scribbles. I will dismiss and ignore anything you critically say about my ideology, my Bible or my God.
Believers constantly practice and declare: “I believe”. Every time you say “I believe”, you freeze your mind and you also incapacitate your process of thinking. To believe is the greatest adversary to thinking.
When you claim to believe, you admit that you do not know. So, please don’t impose your “beliefs” – your “I don’t knows” on me.
As long as you are believing, you are not learning.
Belief assumes commitment.
Your highest form of thought is your capacity to question. As long as you claim to believe something, you are incapable of questioning your declared belief.
Belief causes mental paralysis – a state of hypnosis. You can not question your declared belief and then prove to still believe what you have questioned.
To others, your integrity is gone if you question your belief.
Belief suggests a serious disconnect between the believer’s worldview and existing reality.
Each of your non-thinking “beliefs” is a separate state of hypnosis. Ergo, you are in a mind-set state of hypnosis cemented by each of your declared beliefs.
To declare a belief is to trigger another ego-supported mindset. While believing, your ego cannot question what you believe. To thinkers, your mental process may appear to stagnate and your ego may appear to become stubborn.
Ideological believer’s egos often become hostile when their ego-attached beliefs are questioned.
These believer’s attitudes and behaviors have confused Bible critics over the years. Bible critics were fooled into thinking that what they wrote to believers was being read and made a difference. It answers a lot of questions concerning the critic’s frustration. Believers completely ignore the critic’s stuff. Believers tend to only preach, condemn and threaten the critics with Eternal-Damnation.
I recently heard former President Bill Clinton speak on Ideology as opposed to Philosophy in debate. This is what I now perceive:
Religion is ideology. Reflect on the redundant behavior and the dogmatic mentality of bees and ants. Religion is a hive mentality. When Christians preach their redundant dogma, the hive mentality is exposed. The pressure is for you to become part of the hive. Perceive a school of fish, a flock of sheep, a hive of bees or ants. They all require you to join in, conform to, serve and protect our hive. “Be like us – or else”!
Reverend Alan: This is how Star Trek came up with the Borg: “You will be assimilated, resistance is futile.”
Ideology as Opposed to Philosophy
Ideology
Ideology is a format of mind-set believing.
Ideology focuses on ideals instead of the issues or topics being rationally debated.
Ideology promotes traditional beliefs and a narrow way of life.
Ideology presents dogmatic, authoritative attitudes and mind-set values.
Ideology illustrates and promotes unrealistic, metaphysical and supernatural ideals.
Ideology shuns facts, evidence, logic, reason and reality.
Ideology argues, by threat, for authoritative control.
Ideology promotes: “Shut up and have blind faith”.
Ideology avoids and shuns rational topics, facts and perspectives that conflict with the ideology.
Ideology tells you to conform and how to live your life – or else.
Ideology is indifferent to reality, evidence, facts and discounts logic and reason.
Science: If something does not work then thinkers think and work out something else.
Ideology, by faith, claims it works – and then threatens any disobedience to the claim.
With ideology – everything is offensive assertion and attack.
All evidence, inconsistent with the ideology, is already decided to be irrelevant.
Ideology is entirely ambiguous and unsuitable in the solving of problems or in giving accurate solutions.
Ideology is blind to evidence.
Ideologists, in debate, focus on arguing for control and obedience.
Mind-set believers follow and conform to inflexible ideology, and thus, follow their lives.
Philosophy
Department of Philosophy
Philosophy is a format of freethinking.
Philosophy promotes reality-based perspectives – while evidence and facts are focused on.
Philosophy debates to figure out what works in reality and what makes people’s current lives free and better.
Philosophy encourages you to be who you personally are.
Philosophical thinkers tend to lead their lives.
A philosopher thinks and looks logically and realistically at the facts.
This country has been served well by philosophical differences. They counter each other enough that rational solutions and progress emerge in time.
The problem with ideological / philosophical debates:
Mindset ideology opposes freethinking philosophy.
A freethinking philosophy resists conforming to a non-thinking, inflexible ideology.
Stone-age ideology keeps modern people living with stagnant, stone-age values.
Do Christians qualify to be ideological or philosophical?
Does Islam qualify to be ideological or philosophical?
Do Atheists qualify to be ideological or philosophical?
Is Christianity more philosophical or ideological than Islam?
If you mistake mindset ideology for freethinking philosophy, you will find that the facts do not matter and debate is not important to the idealist.
Philosophers, in debate, focus on the topic.
Now we philosophers can better understand and accept the reasons why we tended to get frustrated with ideological believers over the years. We concentrated on and took issue with the words they wrote or spoke. We assumed that they also read our posts or heard us and would respond to what we wrote or said. But, most ideological believers never read or heard a word we sent them.
They used our contact just to “preach to the sinner”.
Ideologists don’t respond to specific issues in debate. They try to take control and change the topic. They will NOT debate the topics that philosophers take issue with.
When a philosopher recognizes a believing ideologist, we have to understand and accept that debate to any depth is unlikely. We favor the format of a mutual dialog. They favor a monolog – usually in the form of dogmatic preaching.
C. Dennis McKinsey: I especially like your last point Gary. Too many are indeed preaching and not listening to us or reading our posts. We definitely need to recognize them early so time is not wasted.
Richard Dawkins wrote: Faith is the great cop-out, the great excuse to evade the need to think and evaluate evidence. I am against religion because it teaches us to be satisfied with not understanding the world.
“Christianity / The Cross: To worship the torture and death of a man and to threaten “Eternal-Torment” for others who don’t – is insane.”
Religion Is Mob / Herd Mentality.
Believer: You can take me to school but you can’t make me think.
“Christian Believers Impose their Cloned Wills on All Non-Believers”
The Biblical God and the God-Like believer demands: Serve Me on My terms so I won’t do to you what I will do to you if you don’t serve Me on My terms.
As a former licensed, ordain Christian minister, I now confess that the biggest waste of time for Humanity is the study of religion no matter what your conclusion.
Religion is primitive politics. The Jews wanted to establish religious / political-power against their overwhelming “might makes right” / evil force, the “Republican” Romans. So, the Jews invented Yahweh’s Messiah, Jesus Christ, which was designed to politically organize and rally their tribes. Christianity, today, amounts to a competitive political party. Islam can be considered an opposing candidate. Atheism tends to oppose both. Today, Christians tend to lean toward the Republican’s, heavy-handed, “might makes right”, policies. Power-crazy “authority worshippers” tend to be Christian and Republican.
The Biblical God proved to be flawed to create sinners on Earth. “God Does Not Change” so God will have sinners in Heaven also. God will treat those in Heaven just as God treats those on Earth. It is all nonsense. If you are a good Human Being, you don’t need the threats of a tyrannical God to keep you from doing bad, damaging, murderous things.
Jesus Christ is supposed to come back and be King. Because “Kings Don’t Vote”, the Kingdom will be a dictatorship. Jesus would be the dictator. Who Jesus accepts into His Kingdom will be ruled for eternity. Because “God Does Not Change”, we all know what will happen if we don’t accept Jesus’ rule over us.
Rome, under Constantine, later used this same struggling Jewish organization to their advantage and Christianity became politically promoted, supported and financed, in the service of Rome. This is during the time that Rome was already the most powerful and authoritative force on Earth. The Roman Catholic Church became the political authority of most of Europe. Kings answered and yielded to the Roman Catholic Church – until King Henry-the-8th.
As long as any religion is government promoted, supported, and financed – or vice-versa – it will continue to exist. Governments want religion because religion keeps their masses worshipping power and authority. Religion is politics. Religion, always wants to BE Government.
One word can replace the word “God” in any context – that word is “authority”. Test it. Religion is authority worship. Once the masses are successfully hypnotized and indoctrinated to worship a false authority, an assumed authority can more easily and authoritatively step in.
As an Atheist, I DO obey secular-criminal-civil law. I do NOT obey religious laws or rules. Religion has no authority over me. Hell and Eternal-Torment mean nothing to me.
Christian Insanity: We are all evil in God’s eyes. We are all sinful. We all deserve “Eternal-Torment in everlasting Hell”. Only Jesus Christ’s blood can save us. We are to eat Jesus’ body and drink Jesus’ blood. We are to repent, be baptized, give up living our lives and serve Jesus, God and The Holy Spirit forever – strictly on this “One God’s” terms.
Many people who preach love, peace and compassion show in their thoughts, words and deeds that they support, promote and practise hate, war and cruelty. This is especially rampant in Christian history – yet Christians see themselves and profess adhering to the gospel of love.
Each separate Human belief is a separate state of hypnosis.
The question is the highest form of human thought.
The paradox of belief is: A believer cannot question their own belief – because should they question that belief – they prove not to believe.
Belief is self-imposed mind-paralysis. The believer intentionally paralyzes his or her own mind by becoming incapable of questioning his or her own beliefs. He or she becomes mind-set and incapable of thought. Intelligence is categorical. When an individual cannot categorically question or think, categorical learning cannot take place.
Governments promote prayer because – praying is the practice of obeying authority.
If a Christian believer truly believes that God is in control, that believer cannot feel responsible for anything. They accept this insane God no matter how insane this God is.
Christianity is the most imperialistic religion on Earth. Islam’s Allah is the same “One God Of Abraham” as the Judeo-Christian God. Islam is the second most imperialistic religion on Earth.
Christianity, being the wealthiest religion on Earth, can afford to be more imperialistic by buying expensive media. Christianity promotes might makes right with its wealth just like powerful, might makes right, governments dominate the less wealthy and powerful with expensive weapons.
Christianity is absolutely obedience-oriented and authoritative.
Christianity was primitive politics and still assumes political power today.
Christianity tortured and murdered thousands of innocent Human Beings during the historical “crusades” & “inquisitions”.
Christianity assumes and pretends that it is indestructible.
Christianity is dictatorial. If you don’t comply, thoroughly obey and properly finance its agenda, Christianity demands punishment for sins against God and righteously threatens “Eternal-Damnation”.
A sheep is an animal that is often fleeced and ultimately consumed for the benefit of the shepherd.
Eternal-Damnation?
“The Rapture”
The Rapture describes the myth / belief of the “End-Time”. Not all Christians believe in the “Rapture”. The term “Rapture” does not appear in the Bible. In 1830, in Scotland, a sick 15-year-old girl named Margaret McDonald said that she had a vision. A opportunistic preacher, John Nelson Darby, coined the term “Rapture” to describe the “End-Time” doctrine. Darby claimed that I Thessalonians 4:16-17 describes the 2-part “Rapture” event.
Fear of pain, torment and death is the greatest conformer and “will breaker” historically known to man. Christianity insists that you fear its “assumed authority” and to focus on its fictional God’s “Eternal-Damnation”.
Napoleon Bonaparte wrote: Religion is great stuff to keep common people quiet. Religion is what keeps the poor from murdering the rich.
More than 5.6 million Americans are in prison or have served time according to a report by the Justice Department released in June, 2007.
Today, about 2.2 million or about 1 in 137 US citizens are currently in the US prison system. This is the highest incarceration level in the world. The USA is the World’s largest Christian nation. Christianity proves to NOT be a good model for the United States of America or for humanity.
James Joyce: There is no heresy or philosophy so abhorrent to the church as a human being.
The Catholic Church once defended slavery as “willed by God”. It sanctioned and promoted the torture and killing of witches. The Church waged torturous wars called “The Inquisitions” whereby the breaking of human bones and burning people alive was its sacred, God-ordained agenda.
The Catholic Church is being sued to prove that Jesus Christ was a real person.
Prior to 1876, only Catholic Priests could have access to the Latin-written Catholic Bible. Not until 1876 was it legal for a Catholic lay-person to own a Bible in Italy. Catholics have never been encouraged to study and to know the C&V content of the Bible. In the USA, the Catholic Mass was spoken only in Latin until about 1967. During Mass, nobody much knew nor cared about what the Priests were saying. Catholics mostly concentrate on Church ceremony and guilt-ridden confession. Within Catholic Church procedure, the study and the preaching of Bible C&V content is still limited.
If the Christian church has adopted the above philosophy and the church has programmed its believers, is it any wonder that about 1 out of 137 US citizens are in the prison system?
Christianity imposes Terrorism on Humanity
Christianity operates as if it represents the supreme ruler, authority, leader, and upon your conversion, you are to subordinate and sacrifice yourself to Christian dogma.
Christianity operates as if it has supreme sovereign rights over all Human Beings.
Christianity operates as if it has supreme rank and that all are inferior and subordinate to its ideological demands.
Christianity operates as if it has the all-authoritative powers of government and that worldly governments answer to it.
Christianity operates as if it has the policy of forming and maintaining an empire.
Christianity operates by blackmail and extortion.
Christianity tyrannically blackmails, threatens and promises pain, death and eternal-punishment if not totally obeyed.
Christianity constantly struggles for control over Human Beings.
Christianity constantly subordinates its subjects.
Christianity subjugates people and territories.
Christianity operates as if it has the establishment of authority and control.
Christianity brings people into danger, the act of endangering.
Christianity is dictatorial, haughty, overbearing, arrogant, domineering, and tyrannical.
Christianity pretends or assumes to be indestructible, in absolute authority, majestic, and the highest power.
Christians inscribe Bible verses as weapons to destroy the free-will of mankind – to convert and conform man to serve their cause by threat of eternal punishment.
“The God Murders” website inscribes Bible verses to counter the practicing Christian’s offensive conversion tactics.
Luke 19:27 Jesus Christ said: And for those, mine enemies, who would not have Me be King over them, bring them before Me and slay them.
Jesus Christ Said Bring Them Before Me & Slay Them
Revelation 2:23 The Son of God (Jesus Christ) said: “And I will kill her children”.
“Out of context”? No. Each of Jesus Christ’s tyrannical and evil C&V statements has a context and an importance of its own. In what “context” could Jesus Christ’s words be proper or legal?
This two heinous statements, credited to Jesus Christ by the “Holy” Bible are the primary reasons why I would no longer consider being a Christian. I view that only a tyrannical, evil monster would say such things. Why would any decent, thinking human being support, promote and finance such a “Character”, real or fictional?
What is pathetically sad is: Most, decent people, who claim to be a “Christian”, are blind and deaf the these horrible realities – and – denial is automatic.
Instead of being “Born Again” why not grow up and become who you are meant to be?
A young boy while playing football got hit by lightning. Thousands gathered to pray to God for the boy.
So, God knows-it-all, is unchanging and you dare pray to tell God to change and how God should run God’s business?
If God is in charge, this lightening-strike proves that God often tortures and kills.
If you pray to change what God has done – then you are against God’s will?
Then, believers worship this God as if God’s torture is ok.
Even if the victim dies of the torture – praise God!
Do your senses determine that to be righteous, sound, rational or realistic?
Well maybe, to a mindset, unthinking, groveling, authority-worshipping believer.
Do you really believe or just pretend to believe?
Why believe, in either case?
If it were not for “HOPE” 90% of therapists and 100% of clergy would be out of business.
Adolf Hitler was a Catholic
What lying / ignorant Christian believer dares to claim that Adolf Hitler was NOT a Christian?
At one time the Catholic Church executed clerics and laymen for owning scripture. That could be one important reason that most Catholics do not read or know the Bible. They consume their church time practicing their ceremonies.
ITEM #3 THE COUNCIL OF TARRAGONA – 1234 A.D.
The Council of Tarragona of 1234, in its second canon, ruled that:
“No one may possess the books of the Old and New Testaments and if anyone possesses them he must turn them over to the local bishop within eight days after promulgation of this decree, so that they may be burned lest, be he a cleric or a layman, he be suspected until he is cleared of all suspicion.”
During the “Dark Age” (5th – 14th centuries) any layman (not clergy) caught with scripture was a capital offence. One was sentenced to torture and death.
“The Biblical God” is the focus of the Judeo-Christian-Islamic religions. All have Abraham being the father of each religion. All worship “The One God of Abraham.” I personally do not believe in this God or any other God, as other than myth, there is no evidence of any God in reality. As a therapist in Los Angeles for many years, I also perceive that for the religious, there is almost one god for each ego.
Practicing Christian / Islamic believers are in practice of using their fictitious God in pulling some form of authoritative rank on others.
It becomes a power-play as to who assumes to be in charge of you.
Practicing Christians / Islamic believers are authoritative predators seeking weak “sheep” (wills) to dominate.
War results when 2 egos want peace – on their terms.
Here are 2 egos:
1 ego: A Christian believer, whose terms are, he or she wants others to serve his or her God.
1 ego: A non-believer, whose terms are, he or she wants to live his or her life as he or she chooses.
Are you like the Christian believer or like the non-believer?
“The Biblical God” is the focus of the Judeo-Christian-Islamic religions. All have Abraham being the father of each religion. All worship “The One God of Abraham.” I personally do not believe in this God or any other God, as other than myth, there is no evidence of any God in reality. As a therapist in Los Angeles for many years, I also perceive that for the religious, there is almost one god for each ego.
Supernatural miracles do not exist in the natural world. Honest magicians have admitted that magic is designed to deceive fixated observers.
Supernatural miracles do not exist
Bart Floyd: “A Miracle is an event described by those to whom it was told by men who did not see it.”
The word “Trinity” appears nowhere in the Bible.
Neither does “Rapture” – nor “Second Coming” – nor “Original Sin”.
The belief that some cosmic Jewish Zombie can make you live forever if you symbolically eat His flesh (and drink His blood) and telepathically tell Him that you accept Him as your master, so He can remove an evil force from your soul that is present in humanity because a rib-woman was convinced by a talking snake to eat from a magical tree.
Why does any Hell exist, if God’s love is unconditional?
Much of this page was inspired by the History channel first-viewed 12-27-2004
Commentary on this TV program
HELL
by
Gary DeVaney
“INTELLIGENCE IS CATEGORICAL”
“INSANITY IS CONTAGIOUS”
A High Percentage of Stupid is Stubborn
Perspectives, Myths and Dogmas About Evil Satan And Hell’s Torment
Zoroastrianism
Heaven / The Devil / Hell
King Nebuchadnezzar of Babylon attacked, killed and captured the Jews and Jerusalem in about 586 BC. The captured Jews, who believed in no Satan nor Hell and that God did it all, were taken back to Babylon (Iraq). They were exposed to Zoroastrianism which introduced to them the concept of Hell and the Devil.
Most of Judaism did not buy into Heaven, Hell and the Devil, but about 800 years later, the Christian “Canon” (Bible) used these insane concepts to establish the biggest fear-based religion the World has yet known.
Islam is now Christianity’s greatest fear-based competitor. Islam’s Hell IS declared to be hotter and more torturous – but unlike the Christian Hell – Islam Hell is NOT eternal.
Judgment Day
Relax. Nobody is in Hell. According to the Bible, “Judgment Day” doesn’t occur until after Jesus returns and murders all of Humanity. Then comes the Millennium (1,000 years). Then comes “Judgment Day”. Only after “Judgment Day” can you enjoy Hell and all the brilliant people there instead of having to grovel and worship the insane Biblical God 24 / 7 for eternity.
Do Bible C&Vs Describe Hell?
Matthew 10:28 Jesus said: Do not be afraid of those who kill the body but cannot kill the soul. Rather, be afraid of the One who can destroy both soul and body in Hell.
Jesus is referring to Himself or to the Biblical God who can destroy the body and the soul?
Matthew 13:42 They will throw them into the fiery furnace, where there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth.
Are God’s Angels “they”?
Matthew 13:50 and throw them into the fiery furnace, where there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth.
Jesus is describing the punishment of Hell is for you if you are not saved by serving God and Him.
Matthew 16:19 I will give you the keys of the kingdom of heaven; whatever you bind on earth will be bound in heaven, and whatever you loose on earth will be loosed in heaven.
Praise and punishment are the tools of dog training.
Matthew 25:41 Then he will say to those on his left, ‘Depart from me, you who are cursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels.
This is the consequence of not serving Jesus and God on their terms.
Matthew 25:46 Then they will go away to eternal punishment, but the righteous to eternal life.
Obey God and Jesus or else.
Mark 9:43 If your hand causes you to sin, cut it off. It is better for you to enter life maimed than with two hands to go into Hell, where the fire never goes out.
Obvious insanity.
Acts 2:27 Because you will not abandon me to the grave, nor will you let your Holy One see decay.
2 Thessalonians 1:9 They will be punished with everlasting destruction and shut out from the presence of the Lord and from the majesty of his power.
Obey or be destroyed forever.
2 Peter 2:4 For if God did not spare angels when they sinned, but sent them to hell, putting them into gloomy dungeons to be held for judgment;
Purgatory? The Millennium?
Jude 1:7 In a similar way, Sodom and Gomorrah and the surrounding towns gave themselves up to sexual immorality and perversion. They serve as an example of those who suffer the punishment of eternal fire.
What happened to S&G you will suffer eternally / forever?
Revelation 20:13-14 The sea gave up the dead that were in it, and death and Hades gave up the dead that were in them, and each person was judged according to what he had done. Then death and Hades were thrown into the lake of fire. The lake of fire is the second death.
You will eternally suffer in The Lake of Fire.
Revelation 19:20 But the beast was captured, and with him the false prophet who had performed the miraculous signs on his behalf. With these signs he had deluded those who had received the mark of the beast and worshiped his image. The two of them were thrown alive into the fiery lake of burning sulfur.
Thrown alive after death into the fire?
Revelation 21:8 The cowardly, unbelieving, vile, murderers, sexually immoral, those who practice magic arts, idolaters and all liars – their place will be in the fiery lake of burning sulfur. This is the second death.
David Icke: Satan means adversary.
Program stands as P: Satan / the Devil is the arch-enemy of the human race.
P: Mark Twain said: Heaven for climate and Hell for company. If you want to meet interesting people, you don’t go to Heaven, you go to Dante’s Hell.
Dante’s Hell?
P: Jesus spoke far more about Hell than Jesus spoke about Heaven.
Satan / the Devil is later claimed to be the serpent in The Garden Of Eden.
In the Hebrew Bible, the snake in The Garden Of Eden is simply a snake.
P: Much that is believed and described about Satan is not from the Bible. Artists, clergy and writers have embellished the “evil” and scary character over the centuries.
Angel perspective: Angels do not have Human emotions, compassion or concerns. Whether you live or die does not matter to an Angel as long as it is God’s will.
Gary (G): Alighieri Dante and John Milton are largely responsible for how Satan and Hell are perceived today – much more so than the Bible’s weak description of Satan and Hell.
Alighieri Dante?
P: Hell is where much dogma places your sinful soul – which is believed to be alive and painfully tormented beyond imagination. God constantly heals your torn soul so that it can constantly endure fresh pain – for eternity.
G: But why? Doesn’t your Biblical God Love you? So, this is what your loving God and Jesus Christ have in store for you -if you are not selected to serve God and Jesus in Heaven for eternity? There must be a definition of love that I’m not familiar with.
P: Death is the great equalizer.
G: Agreed! Kings and peasants, the rich and poor all have the same fate in death – which is nonexistence.
P: To be in league with God equals Heaven. To be in league with the Devil equals Hell.
G: I disagree. Other than man’s poetic myths and artistic license, there is no scientific evidence of either fictional character, God or Satan, nor of either fictional place, Heaven or Hell.
Throughout history, these murderous and destructive “characters” and their abodes were created by and enhanced by imperialistic, authoritative men to manipulate, control and discipline the gullible through raw, ignorant fear and psychological intimidation.
P: Ann Graham Lotz (Reverend Billy Graham’s daughter): Jesus talked about Hell more than Jesus talked about Heaven. Hell is a real place that God sends the Devil and his Angels and a place where Jesus Christ said that those who reject Him will one day live.
G: Perspective: Jesus Christ (real or not) obviously has an ego that just can not take rejection. Jesus operates here with the attitude of an entitled slave owner, that holds life, death and the sentence of “Eternal-Torment” over His slaves. What an insane, jealous and possessive model Jesus Christ proves to be for Humanity!
P: Christian dogma: Your afterlife is eternal whether you live in Heaven or in Hell.
Afterlife?
Heaven Or Hell?
G: The old Hebrew dogma “dust to dust” is much more logical and realistic. To be put to death due to some imperialistic authority’s disapproval of you was intimidation enough for the living. To further be threatened “Eternal-Torment” multiplies the fear factor among the gullible.
Death = Dust to Dust?
P: Catholic Priest – Father Thomas Rausch: Hell is, of course, a metaphor. Hell is a mythological concept. What it means is to live without any relationship to God, which is the great gift of Human life.
G: If properly quoted, did Father Thomas Rausch confess on public television that Hell is a metaphor, a mythological concept?
Dictionary: Metaphor: Something to which it is not literally applicable in order to suggest a resemblance.
Dictionary: Mythological: The term “myth” is often used to refer to a false story.
So, this Catholic Priest, Father Thomas Rausch, confesses that Hell is a Metaphor – literally not real – and is mythological – a false story. If this be the case, what does the belief in Hell consist of?
Myth?
Furthermore, to live without a relationship with a monstrous God, a Biblical God, who would create a place that provides Eternal-Torture for His children, is certainly a milder consequence of Hell than suffering “Eternal-Torment”.
In about 586 BC, the Babylonian King Nebuchadnezzar attacked Jerusalem and captured Jews he took to Babylon. The Jews were indoctrinated by Zoroastrianism concepts of Heaven and Hell. Jesus Christ, and His followers, spun off of Judaism and put those insane concepts into overdrive. Islam shares those blackmailing concepts whereby the true Jews still do not.
Do you realize that now both Jesus Christ and the Biblical God will send you into Eternal-Torment should you reject Them? What a nightmare the Biblical God and His Son is depicted to be!
P: The Devil draws us towards evil and watches over Hell. The Devil grasps human freedom and corrupts people’s ability to choose good. Over the past 2000 years, Satan has been depicted as God’s great adversary who could lead us to Eternal-Damnation. The Devil is to test and tempt us and to get us to curse God. The Biblical God demands for us to choose to obey, to serve and to love Him, or to face Eternal-Torment in Hell.
Is The Devil the Deceiver – The Father of All Lies?
Jesus Christ cannot suffer nor pay for my sins. My sins, mistakes and errors are my responsibility. My genes may make me prone to behave like the animal I am – but – I am responsible for my behavior. My sinful behavior that damages others – I insist that no other pay for.
G: Titus 1:2 God never lies. Let’s Biblically test this statement. Who does the Bible document C&V to be a liar – God or Satan?
II Chronicles 18:22 the Lord hath put a lying spirit in the mouth of thy prophets.
God put a lying spirit in the mouths of His prophets? What? Wouldn’t only evil would do that?
Jeremiah 20:7 Oh Lord, Thou hast deceived me, and I was deceived.
Jeremiah confessed that God deceived him! Can you define contradiction?
Faith is the shallowest and the most nonsense answer to the most meaningful questions.
Is religion for people who are afraid to go to Hell?
Hell’s “Eternal-Torment” is a terrorist ploy – an illusion created by human egos that want and need to control others.
Sigmund Freud: Religion belonged to the infancy of humanity. Now that humanity has become of age, it should be left behind.
Humanists Put Human Beings First
“Humanism”
II Thessalonians 1:8-9 In flaming fire God takes vengeance on them that do not know God and not obey the gospel of Jesus Christ – they shall be punished with everlasting destruction.
II Thessalonians 2:11 God sends upon them a strong delusion, to make them believe what is false.
G: How could the Bible be “God’s Word” when it admits, chapter and verse, that God was a deceiver and a swindler of people? By these Bible documented acts, God is the perfect model of a liar, which teaches followers to lie in direct violation of His Own 9th commandment. Maybe that is the sacred model and the insane permission for a Government’s lying to its people.
Ancient Hell?
P: Artists and writers have produced our darkest imaginings of Hell.
G: This is an example of man’s artistic license to project evil and pain on mankind that I referred to.
P: The ancient Egyptians believed in immortality. They mummified / preserved human bodies and built giant pyramid tombs to discriminatingly protect the valued body and soul in the afterlife.
The Egyptian “Book of the Dead” states: The deceased had to go through 7 different gates of terror just to get to the afterlife. The Egyptians were the first to believe that souls were to be judged after death. They were to be judged by King Osiris. The “just” were granted “Eternal-Life” while the unworthy were savagely eaten by a gruesome creature – “Ammut”, a Hell-Mouth – who devoured the damned.
Book of the Dead?
Ammut?
G: From this, artists later depicted monsters eating Human Souls in Hell. Artists visually introduced to gullible imaginations the concept of Hell. The gullible, in turn, believed it, committed to it and swore that it was true. This is a logical explanation of the creation of “The God Virus“.
P: The 6th century BC prophet Zoroaster promoted salvation and Hell. It was dwarfed by the Hell-fire teachings of Jesus Christ. Christ defined and promoted the Hell of Eternal-Damnation.
Zoroaster
P: For most people (Christians) the concept of Hell is based on one book, the Bible.
Ann Graham Lotz: If you reject Jesus Christ, you will go to Hell for eternity.
G: Ann certainly proves to be a cheerleader for her fictional God’s monstrous team.
P: Biblical conceptions of Hell evolved over the course of the Bible.
G: This program proves to believe in evolution to use the term “evolved”.
P: The Old Testament contains only fleeting and indirect references to Hell.
Isaiah 38:18-19 The common destiny of the dead was Sheol, the grave.
Sheol = The Grave
The grave and death simply described what happened when you die.
Shoel is not mentioned in the New Testament. In Greek mythology, Hades is the word for the ruler of the netherworld and his domain, commonly considered the Devil and Hell.
Matthew 16:18 Jesus said: And on this rock I will build my Church and the gates of Hades will not overcome it.
Scholars assign the meaning of Shoel and Hades simply as the realm of the dead and not a place of punishment / torment.
Daniel 12:2 Multitudes who sleep in the dust of the Earth will awake, some to everlasting life, others to shame and everlasting contempt.
Everlasting Contempt?
Pastor Arnold Murray (on his TV program) projected: Nebuchadnezzar was the King of Babylon (today’s Iraq) who attacked and killed many of God’s “chosen” Jews in Jerusalem. The “evil” King actually did God’s will by killing and capturing the Jews that he took back to Babylon. In the 4 chapter of Daniel King Nebuchadnezzar actually wrote a prayer that ended up in the Bible. King Nebuchadnezzar, the enemy of the Biblical God’s Jews, was a servant of the Biblical God. Can the words “hypocrisy” and “disloyalty” properly describe this God?
KING NEBUCHADNEZZAR
Jeremiah 27:6 God said: I now gave all these lands to Nebuchadnezzar, the King of Babylon, My servant.
Pastor Arnold Murray points out that God is in control and had King Nebuchadnezzar kill and capture His “chosen” Jews to teach them a lesson. One lesson the Jews learned in captivity in Babylon was the Zoroastrian religion from which the Jews adopted Heaven, Hell and Satan as part of the Zoroastrian faith.
G: The Book of Daniel produced the first Old Testament Jewish reference to afterlife punishment. Did Daniel experience the Zoroastrian indoctrination of the Jews in Babylon?
The Zoroastrian teaching to the Jews in Babylonian captivity started about 586 BC. This Heaven / Hell – Salvation / Eternal-Torment indoctrination is probably what mostly influenced, the book of Daniel and later Jewish dogma. Before 600 BC – God was credited with doing it all – in the Jewish tradition.
Is Hell’s Eternal-Torment All for God’s Pleasure?
G: Jesus Christ later put Hell into overdrive. After selling Hell to be a reality, Jesus then could claim to be the savior from Hell. What a brilliant religious agenda for human behavioral control – power and profit over people! Some would say that uncivilized and murderous mankind needed such a threat to control the masses. The numbers of war casualties, and murders recorded in the past 200 years of history proves that this religious model does not work. War results when one tyrant’s army tries to control or destroy other people – just as God tries to control or destroy all who do not obey Him. Except, your loving God adds Eternal-Torment to those who dare disobey Him. That is another dimension of punishment that the Jews never came up with until Daniel.
P: Outside a Jerusalem gate was “Gehenna”, a 24-hour burning trash dump. Jesus Christ spoke of Gehenna as a metaphor for the tormenting fires of Eternal Hell.
G: This was another step of Jesus psychologically bringing Hell into reality for the gullible. Jesus Christ proved to be the greatest salesman of all time. He actually died on the cross (for you) to close the deal.
P: Matthew 13:41-42 Jesus said: They (Jesus’ Angels) will throw them (you) into the fiery furnace where there will be weeping and the gnashing of teeth.
P: Matthew 25:41: Jesus said: Depart from Me, ye cursed, into the everlasting fire prepared for the Devil and his Angeles.
G: If we are not saved, Jesus Christ is telling us in Matthew 13:41-42 and 25:41, to depart from Him because His Angeles will throw us, you and me, into the fires of Hell.
P: II Thessalonians 8-9 In flaming fire God takes vengeance on those who don’t know Him and who do not obey the Gospel of Jesus Christ shall be punished with everlasting destruction.
G: That says it all about being punished with everlasting destruction – except – let’s continue to: II Thessalonians 2:9-13 Even him whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power, signs and working wonders with all deceit of unrighteousness in them that perish, because they did not receive the love of the truth that they might be saved. 11: And for this cause, God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie; that they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but has pleasure in unrighteousness. But, we give thanks to God because God has, from the beginning, chosen you to salvation…
Can any Christian explain this with a straight face – especially where God sends delusion so that you and I would believe His lie and how “salvation” is for the Biblical God’s predestined chosen?
Blind Faith & Belief?
G: Concerning my separation from the insane Biblical God? Personally, I can live with that.
P: Revelation 20:10 And the Devil, Beast and false prophet were thrown into the lake of burning sulfur. They will be tormented day and night for ever and ever.
G: That is your Biblical C&V documentation of “Eternal-Torment”.
P: Jesus tells us that Hell is located in the middle of the Earth.
Is Hell Located in The Middle of The Earth?
G: What scientific evidence is there of a torturous Hell as described by religion?
P: Miriam Van Scott, author of “The Encyclopedia of Hell”: Saint Augustine believed that all human beings were born with original sin from Adam and until they were baptized, that sin could not be washed away.
For the first 1,000 years of Christianity, Hell was rarely mentioned from the pulpit. With the dark ages, holy men latched onto St. Augustine’s teachings, sometimes to further their own agendas.
G: This statement discloses the hidden purposes of religion. Religion creates power and control for an evil intimidator over the gullible intimidated. Through forms of fear-based blackmail and extortion, the powerful then fleeced profit from the intimidated flock. Throughout the “Dark Ages” unscrupulous Popes built their Catholic religion to govern Europe. Torture, murder and the threat of Eternal-Torment were the tools and weapons of this insane, imperialistic religion. Historically, millions were brutally tortured and murdered during their “Holy-Inquisitions”.
P: Clergy practiced: To convince people to obey you, Hell became a place more and more real.
G: With (inquisitions / crusades) famine, plague and war, people had no problem visualizing the savage horrors of Hell. Due to the plague, half of Europe’s population died in 4 years.
The Black Plague (Bubonic) Killed About 50% of Europe’s Population.
A Path to Hell?
P: Saint Augustine, a 4th century, Christ follower, was a major influence who established Christian codes of conduct. He thought up, formulated and decided who goes to Hell.
Alice Turner: Saint Augustine felt to appreciate the grace of being saved you had to know that the majority of the people you knew were probably going to be damned.
Saint Augustine
G: And the insane, God-inspired, clergy claimed: I know that it is true because I heard it come of out of my own mouth!
P: St. Augustine spent his early years in drunken debauchery.
G: I wonder if that included a lot of great sex!
P: Disparaging over his misspent youth, he yearned to find meaning in his life. His reason could not make the jump to religious belief.
After Augustine was converted by God, he wrote down rules for how we (you and I) should live our lives. He became “mad” (insane) trying to overcome his lack of religious faith.
Augustine was convinced by his dying mother to convert to Christianity.
St. Augustine felt that due to his drunken debauchery and sins, he deserved Hell and separation from God for all eternity.
What Really Made St. Augustine’s Life Memorable?
P: God, with grace and love, converted Augustine.
G: Why did the program say that it was God, through His grace and love, and not Jesus Christ, Who converted Augustine?
P: Augustine wrote strict codes for salvation and damnation.
G: St. Augustine served as a model for manipulative clergy. Secret: If you want to become a manipulative clergy, learn what Augustine did – and do it.
P: Saint Augustine “City of God”: “Lust requires for all its consummation, darkness and secrecy not only when unlawful intercourse is desired but even such fornication that Earthly cities have legalized.”
St. Augustine made sex a signpost sin to the road to Hell
G: How many millions of perfectly good, pleasurable and healthy sex-lives did St. Augustine ruin by making sex a signpost for Hell?
P: Clergy used the fear of Hell to scare souls into their pews.
People came more to hear about the horrors of Hell. They wanted to be grossed-out and terrified. Preachers realized that Hell was becoming the attraction. Hell-fire sermons became the truth incarnate. The sense of Hell became very real. The Church became the gateway to salvation and whatever was said in that Church the truth.
G: Just like the sense of a programmed, fictitious God became real to the gullible and the authoritative.
P: Church art and architecture displayed images of Hell.
Whatever you see or hear in Church, your mind should and will accept as truth.
G: Major religions like Christianity and Islam project the horrors of the doomed.
According to Darrel Ray’s eye-opening book “The God Virus“, once your feelings are infected and your ego is attached, you become a staunch God / Hell infected believer and you then automatically desire and take action to infect others.
P: Artists made images of “the saved” sitting in Heaven looking down smug and superior at those doomed and suffering in Hell’s torment.
G: Egos always think that they are the value, the authority, more important, entitled, and special – just like God. The god-game is simply the ego-game.
P: Holy men, artists and authors elevated God’s Satan, the host of Hell, to awesome power. Satan bids us to join him in Hell.
Ann Graham Lotz: The quickest path to Hell is doing Satan’s bidding here on Earth. The choice boils down that the Devil’s temptation gives you and me a choice to do right or to do wrong – to give in to Satan’s temptation or to be obedient to God.
Are Catholic Priests against condoms because little boys cannot get pregnant?
P: Our current (fictitious) Satan is assisted by many (fictitious) ghosts, spirits, angels and goblins. Fantasy and faith created those entities – not reality. The Egyptian god “Set” and the Greek god “Pan” were (pretend) ancestors of Satan.
The Old Testament Devil was a minor figure who needed God’s permission to do anything and no evil mastermind.
G: The New Testament – thanks to Jesus Christ – made Satan and Hell real to the potentially insane.
Insanity is a legal term that means that an individual does not have the capacity to know right from wrong. The “God-Virus”
produces mental-emotional insanity in human beings.
“The God Virus” is an easy-read, descriptive book by world-renown Psychologist, Dr. Darrel Ray.
Did House Read “The God Virus”?
Early Christians, in order to obtain paralyzing, fear-based power and profit over people, used the new, improved, modern Satan to their advantage to get naive, impressionable, gullible, insecure and frightened converts to claim salvation through Jesus Christ. In the United States, wealthy Clergy continue to do that today on television and in mega-churches. Statistically, the people of Europe have dropped off on the faith / belief charts. Governments lose power and profit over their people when those people stop fearing and worshipping God. That is why Governments pay churches and clergy billions of dollars – through tax breaks – to keep the believers obedient.
Billy Graham
Jimmy Swaggart
Jim Baker
Didn’t Pat Robertson make about $470 Million in one year?
P: Satan, as described in Revelation, is Lucifer, the light bearer. Satan is the most beautiful, but he evolves to challenge God.
Ann Graham Lotz: Lucifer wanted to be like God and to be God and to ascend to the throne.
Revelation 12:7-9 And, there was war in Heaven. Lucifer, with 1/3rd of the Angels engaged God whose Angeles were led by the Archangel, Michael. Lucifer was called The Great Dragon, Satan, the Devil, the serpent. Satan was hurled, along with his Angeles, into the Earth.
Any group of people who uses threats of violence and psychological manipulation (Eternal-Torment) to maintain its structure is a terrorist cult.
G: “And, there was war in Heaven?” What? How much control do you really give this fictitious “know-it-all God? Faith can only be so blind! Just how great a place is this Heaven that Christians claim to want to spend eternity? If God does not change, then Heaven can not change. How great is the Biblical God’s Heaven that is documented to have war?
There Was War in Heaven?
P: Christians claim that it is Satan who leads the whole world astray.
G: According to the Old Testament, Bible, I’d lean toward the ancient Jews claim that God does it all.
P: God granted Satan dominion over Hell.
G: Well, this “good” Biblical God’s generosity to this “evil” Satan is probably responsible for the destruction of a few billion human souls. Concerning human salvation, it is obvious that God knows not what He does.
P: Miriam Van Scott: Satan knows he cannot hurt God so he kicks God’s dogs (us). When Satan goes after human souls, he is trying to get even with God.
G: And Human Beings have to pay the price of Eternal-Torment for God’s and Satan’s insane competition? My Gawd!
P: In the 6th century Pope Gregory enhanced Satan’s powers with “The 7 Deadly Sins“. None of these “sins” are in listed the Bible. Insane, power-crazy religious zealots identified these new “sins” with human behavior – what people liked doing most.
The 7 Deadly Sins?
G: Their behavior did not meet with Pope Gregory’s approval. So, this Pope branded them sinners – subject to Eternal Torment in Hell. Well, to Pope Gregory, and any like him, my behavior does not require your or your God’s approval.
P: Christian teaching points:
Everything worldly is the work of Satan.
Everything unworldly is the work of God.
G: This is an extreme example of how Christianity hates humanity and just makes up its insane nonsense as it goes. I, an Atheist, am so far from the fanatical obedience that insane Christianity requires. This also reminds us that the Biblical Old Testament God is not Human.
P: As Satan’s biography developed, the evil beast’s portraits were displayed throughout Church carvings, stone and glass, in books, novels, and paintings. Radio, TV, horror movies and comic books round out the target audience.
G: Some serial killers may have adopted the programmed Satan persona. Imposing the fear of God on a child may one day take its toll on his fellow human beings. Contrary to feel-good denials, Adolf Hitler was a Catholic. Joseph Stalin had attended a religious seminary. They both had received insane religious programming. They both were responsible for the killing of millions of human beings. President George W. Bush, a practicing Christian, lied the United States into an illegal war that killed or damaged over a million Human Beings. I view that all those insane leaders can take their insane God / religion and shove it.
Mass Murderers or Great Leaders?
George W. Bush
Joseph Stalin
Adolf Hitler
P: By the 10th century, Satan had dominated religious art.
The Devil was depicted and illustrated as red-hot and later ice-cold blue. There is no consistency in the image of God, Jesus or Satan.
G: God, Jesus and Satan – all being fictitious and imaginary – that makes sense.
P: Satan began to take on the characteristics of the Catholic Church’s rivals. Anyone who opposed the Church was aligned with Satan. Satan became the Jews with long, hooked noses.
The Jews were symbols of people who doubted the truth of Christianity and the Catholic Church proclaimed that they had to be demonized and punished.
The Church claimed that the plague came about due to trading with the evil Jews.
In the year 1236 Pope Gregory IX condemned the Talmud, the Jewish holy text, as being Satanically inspired.
Pope Gregory IX Condemned The Jewish Talmud?
The Jewish Talmud
Christians puzzled by the Muslim habit of frequent bathing, dubbed Islamic bath houses “Temples to the Devil”.
G: It is the old religious outrage: “Be like me or else!” “If you are not with us – you are against us.” “If you are not a Christian – you are a servant of the Devil.”
How about the authoritarian demand: “I want you to live by my values in your life with me being the center of those values.” Does that sound like Judeo-Christian-Islamic religious indoctrination? Religious Governments, wives, husbands, parents and employers do that to their victims all the time. We will always be considered slaves as long as these religions are in tact. Solution: For humanity to evolve into decent beings, these dark-age religions have to go.
Redundantly, how many of us are religiously programmed to be like that? “Serve me on my terms!” “Live by my values in your life”! “Obey me or suffer punishment”! Who does not do that to their spouse and kids? What employer does not do that to his employees. What Army Sergeant does not do that to his privates?
P: During the renaissance, two poets (Alighieri Dante & John Milton) overcame their personal demons to create a new vision of Hell.
The Bible does not say all that much about Heaven and Hell. The details come from our poets (and artists) – not our prophets.
P: Dante’s Inferno shaped, from his own life, our views of Hell more than any other source. Aligheri Dante lived in the 1300s. Dante, a Catholic, thought the iron-fist Catholic Church should share power with civil authorities. They threw Dante in jail on bogus charges like hostility against the Pope. The Pope / Church threatened his life, confiscated his property and banished him, never to return. Dante responded by composing “The Inferno”. Dante’s portrait of Hell is much more detailed than Biblical descriptions.
Alighieri Dante described 9 descending levels of suffering in Hell. His psychological message was – how you suffer in your afterlife is prompted by how you lived your life.
G: That became a concept for authoritarian human egos to impose on others in the name of religion. Every sin now had a specific punishment.
P: You are supposed to only love God. The human sin is to love the wrong things. That is what gets you sent to Hell.
G: I sadly shake my head. What a sick, insane God model it is that insane Christians worship. If Christians want to be like God, no wonder so many end up in prison and on death row. Ego and God are synonymous.
P: The 9th and lowest level of Hell is filled by traitors – the biggest sinners – and that level of Hell is blue cold. The sinner is constantly chewed upon by monsters for eternity. Alighieri Dante did place some Popes he despised in the lowest circle of Hell. All of Dante’s enemies in real life – he wrote into his story of Hell. His avenging, vindictive imagination got even with them all.
P: Aligheri Dante’s book was translated and became a hit in every European language. It brought the Devil into maturity in the minds of humanity. It started a new dogma of thinking concerning Satan and Hell. Dante transformed Hell into a story of man’s struggle to understand the world.
John Milton, around the 1620s, elevated Satan to a champion of the dark side. Satan is a warlord and all the Mafia under him pay tribute to him. Satan’s ego is enormous. His individuality is huge. Years later, after losing 2 wives, 2 children and his sight. 20 years after losing his sight, Milton wrote “Paradise Lost”. “The mind itself can make its own Heaven & Hell”. “You find Satan and God in your own psyche”.
G: Redundantly, if you go inside to your own psychic / ego / soul, that is where you find your desires or your fears – your Heaven or your Hell.
I’ve always thought and maintained that Ego and God were synonymous. Human ego is only identified by human behavior manifestations. There is no God. Concerning good or bad, right or wrong – ego is all there is.
P: Satan is depicted as a charismatic figure, a leader, a hero who insists: It is better to reign in Hell than to serve in Heaven. 1/3rd of the Angeles preferred and followed Satan over God so, right or wrong, Satan had to be a good leader.
Satan identifies with humans whereby God cannot.
Satan was a powerful leader in an adversarial role.
Satan fights against both God and man.
Man (believers) would have it that man and God battle the evil one.
Drop-Kick Me Jesus Through the Goal-Post of Life!
Gary DeVaney: I personally do not have any Satan or any God in my personal life. I feel happy and get along fine with most of humanity. Can I know the difference? Yes, I once personally had a bad case of “The God Virus” while being a miserable, licensed-ordained Christian minister. What made me become an Atheist? I finally personally read, digested and understood the entire Bible cover to cover. What jumped off the pages for me are documented on this “The God Murders” website.
The Biblical God WAS successfully tempted / moved / enticed by Satan.
Believers would have you believe that in the book of Job, God WAS in control. Believers would have you believe that God was NOT evil concerning the evil that God allowed Satan to impose on poor Job. God did not object to nor did God prevent Job’s children and servants from getting killed to test Job’s resolve. God did NOT punish Satan for the deaths of Job’s children and servants. That makes God evil, by any just US Constitution court-of-law standard.
Every guilty murderer on death-row had a personal agenda whereby he or she felt entitled to take another human life to fulfill his or her personal agenda. His or her “repentance” mostly consists of being sorry that they got caught.
Even God repented for His documented errors a few times in the Bible – but not in the case of Job. Without consequence, God allowed Satan to tempt / move / entice God against Job. Ergo, the Biblical God was successfully tempted / moved / enticed by Satan.
A Famous Serial Killer
Charles Manson
Redundantly, it is documented by Bible C&V that your perfect, know-it-all God was moved / enticed / tempted by Satan. God sends us to Hell for being tempted by Satan but is above His own law. It is evident that concerning Job, Satan successfully tempted and controlled God.
P: In the end, Job repents and pledges his full allegiance to God.
G: I can see it all now. God allows the murders of all of Job’s children and servants. Job is made to suffer extremely after that. In the end, Job kisses God’s ass and claims that God is the finest, greatest of all in existence – just like a cringing, fearful dog does to his punishing master. What a diabolical, God-fearing insanity!!!
An Insane Angel?
Real or not, I do not much care for the Biblical God, because: “The God of the Bible is not a good God and the Bible is not a good model for humanity.” GWD
P: Ann Graham Lotz: Due to the lessons of the Book of Job, I know that Satan can not touch my life without God’s permission. I know if God lifts His hand of protection and allows Satan to attack me, it’s for my own good and for a bigger purpose.
G: Ah, an example of a perfect, modern-day martyr. Concerning reality, I find some mind-set believer’s mental health to be in question.
Mrs. Ann Graham Lotz: Kinda reminds me of the scenario where I, a private pilot, am getting into an unfamiliar rented airplane and I see 3 men on their knees praying loudly around the engine. I ask who these 3 men are. I am informed that they are the mechanics who fix and maintain the airplane. In reality, “faith” often concerns me. A fictitious God may have lifted His hand of protection from me but I insist that my paid airplane mechanics know what they are doing. They had best be tempted to take that engine into their own hands rather than to trust what they perceive to be God. I have found no documented evidence in the Bible that God knew anything about airplane engines.
P: It is written that when Jesus was crucified, He descended into Hell and on the 3rd day He arose again.
Jesus in Hell? Is “Easter Sunday” pre-dawn 3 days from “Good Friday” afternoon? How about 3 days and 3 nights as Jesus Christ prophesized?
G: I’ll bet that confused and disappointed the thief that Jesus promised would see Him in Heaven later on the same day they were crucified.
P: During the inquisition, 100,000 women / witches were tortured and burned at the stake.
They (G: along with other freethinkers) were considered to be of the Devil and enemies of the Church.
In 1468, Pope Paul the 2nd declared that torture was acceptable in suspected cases of witchcraft.
Worshipful Pope, will you torture my wife?
Burn a witch day?
G: In 2002, President George W. Bush, secretly declared that torture was acceptable in suspected cases or terrorism. Were not both, George W. Bush the 2nd and Pope Paul the 2nd, God-fearing and publicly religious men? President George W. Bush confessed that, in a dream, God told him to attack Iraq. Bush’sillegal war cost Humanity over a million dead and damaged lives – let alone a trillion dollars.
Torture
P: Early Protestants were obsessed with the Devil and were anti-sex. They preached of an angry God and the horrors of Hell. Psychologically, people like fear and place themselves in fearful situations.
In 1692, the (religious, fanatical, authoritative) Pilgrim leaders in Salem, Massachusetts, had “The Salem Witch Hunt“. The religious authorities saw devils all around them. About 20 women were tried and executed as witches over 1 year. Then, in the new US, the Devil seemed to publicly take a vacation. Legal cases involving the Devil were rarely seen in American courts.
In the 1980s, “Satanism” arose in the US and England as a fad.
P: Hypnosis was condemned as a recovery memory syndrome. The process (authoritative religious zealots claimed) brought up the evil of an individual’s past.
The Church promoted that, like God, the Devil was everywhere – constantly trying to enter your body or to entice you into Hell. Exorcisms became popular.
G: For the gullible, it brought new attention to the phony power of clergy and the church.
ISLAM’S HELL
P: “Islam” means surrender to Allah’s will. It contains no figure with the influence of Christianity’s Satan. However, both Islam and Christianity believe in the existence of Hell. The Koran teaches that Hell is a physical and mental place. It teaches that without Hell, human life would be in disorder. God created Paradise and Hell for us to be disciplined.
G: Praise and punishment are the tools for dog training.
Praise & punishment: the tools for dog training.
“Obey!”
P: Koran 2:206: Hell will settle his account – an evil resting place.
After arriving in Islam’s Hell, the pain is fierce.
Koran 78:21-25: Hell is home for the rebellious. Abide therein for ages. Nothing to drink but boiling water and paralyzing cold.
G: The Koran’s writing: “Abide therein for ages” indicates that Hell is not eternal in the Islamic teaching.
G: Did you catch that? Hell will burn off your skin – but – your loving, perfect God / Allah will renew your skin so that you can suffer it being burned off again – over and over and over and over etc. etc. etc…
P: (But, surprise!) The Hell of Islam is not permanent.
G: Here it is confirmed that in the Islamic religion, Hell is not permanent or eternal. Do you realize that makes Islam a much kinder, gentler religion than Jesus Christ’s Christianity – concerning a hell-bound soul’s afterlife and eternity. Doesn’t it? If you insist that Jesus Christ’s documented “Eternal-Torment” in Hell is better then Islam’s documented “Limited Torment” in Hell, then, you definitely prove that a high percent of stupid is stubborn.
P: In Islam, the punishment may last days, weeks or years. However, all but the most evil will eventually find their way to “Paradise”. The Koran implies that the majority of souls will avoid Hell entirely. Only a few people will receive God’s condemnation. In God’s character, He has to be angry and wrathful – but, this is only temporary. His mercy overcomes His wrath and God uses His mercy more than He uses His wrath – but, the wrath is needed for people to serve Him.
The Koran
P: Their skin will burn. God will renew their skin so that they can be tortured again and again.
G: Well, there you have it. Do you still prefer Eternal-Torment? Which religion, Islam or Christianity, do you view to be sicker and more insane?
P: The old Hebrew Bible does not emphasize an afterlife nor a physical Hell. One should attest to one’s forefathers – but there is no afterlife. But, a Rabbi named Maimonides, in the 12th century, did teach a Jewish sect of reward and punishment after death.
G: Hummm. The 12th century? Maimonides must have borrowed, stolen or adopted “punishment after death” from Islam or maybe even Christianity.
P: During their burial ritual, Jews do not pray nor ask God to watch over the dead.
G: For clarification, that is because overall the Jewish religion does not believe in an afterlife.
Islam’s Heaven Has 72 Rejuvenating Virgins?
Na, just kidding. They’re all guys.
P: In Buddhism, Hell is not a place but a state of existence. Hell is a realm where the dead are re-born into a state of distress. They are reborn in Hell as beasts or hungry spirits. Lotus Sutra 3.
P: Reincarnation: A positive life equals a positive rebirth. Negative lives equal negative rebirths in the Hells of Buddhism. There is no divine judge to condemn one to Hell – only one’s own Karma.
In Chinese Buddhism there are multiple realms of Hell, overbearing pain and torture. But, as in Islam, suffering is not eternal. They suffer until the unwholesome karma is exhausted. They are then “reincarnated” (re-born) into a better realm.
Surprise! Islam’s Hell Is Not Eternal.
In my study, I was led to these writings about Islam’s Hell NOT being eternal.
Qur’an 7:156 Allah said: I will inflict My punishment on whom I will; but My mercy encompasses all things.
Qur’an 11:107-108 Allah (God) says: As for those who will prove unfortunate, they shall be in the Fire abiding therein so long as the Heavens and the Earth endure, EXCEPTING what thy Lord may will.
Qur’an 11:108 says Hell’s inmates will come out when God pleases – God’s mercy descends and encompasses His punishment.
Qur’an 39:54 says: Despair not of the mercy of Allah, surely Allah forgives ALL sins.
Bukhari 4:54:16 says: When Allah completed creation, He wrote in His Book which is with Him on His Throne: My Mercy overpowers My Anger.
Sahih Muslim 1:368 records: Allah will bring out people from the Fire and admit them into Paradise. As Allah declares His power to take people out, Hell is NOT eternal.
Buddhist Afterlife
Buddhist Afterlife Condo
Letters From Earth
by
Mark Twain
LETTER XI
Mark Twain: Letters from Earth
Mark Twain wrote in letter 11: Human history in all ages is red with blood, bitter with hate and stained with cruelties. The Church is credited with having spilt more innocent blood than all the political wars put together. When The Lord God of Heaven and Earth, adored Father of man, goes to war, there is no limit. He is totally without mercy, He, who is called the Fountain of Mercy. He slays, slays, slays! All the men, beasts, boys, babies, also all the women and girls, except those that have not been deflowered. He makes no distinction between the innocent and guilty. The innocent had to suffer with the guilty. What the insane Father required was blood and misery; He was indifferent as to who furnished it.
The heaviest punishment of all was melted out to persons who could not have deserved so horrible a fate – the 32,000 virgins. Their naked privacies were probed, to make sure that they still possessed the hymen unruptured. They were then sold into the shamefulness slavery, the slavery of prostitution to satisfy any buyer with the bodies, be he a gentleman or a course and filthy ruffian.
It was the Father who inflicted this ferocious and undeserved punishment upon those virgins whose parents He had slaughtered before their eyes. And were they praying to Him for pity and rescue, meantime? Without a doubt of it. Would you expect this same conscienceless God, this moral bankrupt, to become a teacher of morals? (paraphrased.)
Finis
P: Mark Twain (paraphrased): “He thinks he is the creator’s pet. He believes the creator is proud of him, loves him, has a passion for him, sits up nights to admire him and watches over him. Ain’t it a quaint idea?”
The Devil is a powerful symbol of one who rejects God’s world and objects to God’s authority / obedience society.
The greatest sin is ignoring your own passions.
Religion is an art – not a science.
G: Are most religious souls spiritually dead due to their lack of identity and creativity?
I view that most fanatical religionists are afraid to die because they never allowed themselves to live their life.
P: In the 1950s, children’s comic books containing stories of the Devil, Evil and Hell. They grew so popular that Congress investigated the phenomenon.
Hell Boy
It was said that reading these comic books was destructive to the psychic. This will cause emotionally ruptured lives who are incapable of having decent relationships or to function in society.
G: But, threatening your child with Eternal-Torment for disobedience is ok – right? How sick and insane many people, who believe in religions, become.
P: Hell’s Angels, in mass, use symbols and attitudes of death and evil to gain fear and power over those who happen in their path. Like clergy, it works for them.
“Go to heaven for the climate and hell for the company.” Mark Twain
The Church of Satan
Anton LeVey
P: The Church of Satan was founded by Anton LeVey in 1966. The Church is an adversary as it opposes religious belief systems that try to hamper or diminish “the good life” of a human being. This church views belief in God and Hell as delusional. They practice self-reliance, greed, lust and sex. If you are going to be a sinner – be the best sinner on the block. If you are going to do something naughty, do it and enjoy it.
Satanists proclaim love and lust to be natural in the human animal.
Many, who have held and hold religious virtue, experience their remaining days without passion, love or lust. In the end, it was as if they never lived at all.
Satanists don’t believe in an afterlife so they can’t be judged for their deeds.
Satanists & Hell
P: Satanists confront the myth of Hell by claiming to worship Satan. These rebels confront religious and conventional authority by siding with Satan, sin and evil. Hell is a place where the partiers go. Sex is free. Lust and greed are good. America was born in rebellion.
In the late 1700s, the British Hell-Fire Club mocked religions with drinking and sex parties / orgies and to mock Christianity. Benjamin Franklin, the American Ambassador to Great Britain, attended these parties.
Believers in religions that promote and believe in a Heaven or Hell afterlife, experience awesome life limitations and pressures that non-believers do not.
90% of us believe in life after death. (G: Ego can’t seem to handle the idea of expiration.) Liberals tend to ignore Hell. They don’t think Hell is part of afterlife. But, conservatives, evangelicals and fundamentalists believe in (and want) the reality of torment for people who are not like them.
G: Ah, Religion: Be like me – or else!
P: Catholic Priest Father Thomas Rausch: Who goes to Heaven and who goes to Hell? Nobody knows. Many hope that none go to Hell – including Satan.
Believers believe that you will go to Hell – but they won’t – because you are not like them. They know the “Holy-Spirit” formula. They feel they are special, chosen and are saved.
G: Is “the good get their reward and the bad get punishment in the afterlife” just a vindictive, childish notion? “Infantilism” (feelings and emotions that never mature) is alive and well among the religious.
If we are all created for “God’s pleasure”, what if Adolf Hitler provided God an awesome amount of gruesome entertainment (WWII – about 50 million dead) all for God’s pleasure? If true, do you think that the insane Biblical God would send Hitler to Hell?
P: Fundamentalists read and promote Jesus’ words that most souls are headed for damnation. “If you do not accept Jesus Christ as your personal savior you are doomed.” No one goes to God except through Jesus. On judgment day, the one Who does the Judging is Jesus Christ.
Fundamentalists?
G: Really? Jesus Christ does the Judging? What does the Bible say?
Hosea 13:4 I am The Lord, you shall know no God but Me for there is no savior beside Me. KJV
Doesn’t this Bible C&V say there is no savior beside God?
Isaiah 43:11 I am The Lord and beside Me there is no savior.
KJV (Double whammy!)
Isaiah 45:5-6 I am The Lord. There is none besides Me. Catholic (Triple ditto!)
Deuteronomy 4:35 & 39 That you might know The Lord is God and there is no other. (4X)
II Samuel 7:22 Great are You God. There is none like You and there is no God but You.
I Samuel 2:2 God judges deeds.
What? Who? God did not give Jesus the judgment?
John 5:21-22 Jesus said: Nor does God judge anyone, but He has given all judgment to His Son. Catholic
Who Saves You? Who Judges You? Jesus or God?
G: What? God judges no one? Jesus does all the judging? Is this true? Do you believe this?
John 8:15 & 12:47 Jesus said: I judge no man. KJV
Oops!
John 5:45 Jesus said: I will not accuse you. The one who will accuse you is Moses.
Moses? Who would have thunk it? Is there an honest, truthful Christian who truly believes Jesus?
After all this Bible C&V documentation, who do you claim judges whether you spend eternity in Heaven or Hell?
John 5:34 Jesus said: I do not accept testimony from a human being… Catholic
John 5:41 Jesus said: I do not accept human praise… Catholic
I just thought I throw the last two in. Can you explain them?
P: All major religions claim that the most wicked and evil can be pardoned by God.
P: Isaiah 55:7 Let the wicked forsake his ways and the evil man his thoughts. let him turn to the Lord and He (God) will have mercy and pardon him.
Ann Graham Lotz: It doesn’t matter if you are a murderer on death row or if you’ve committed multiple murders. It doesn’t matter if you’ve stolen or raped – any sin can be forgiven if you claim the death of Jesus as God’s forgiveness for your sins.
Dennis Prager: All faiths hold (claim) that on your death bed you can repent and be forgiven. I am not a fan of the notion that you can torture children your whole life and can repent a minute before you die. I believe if you have done evil, you will pay the price for it.
Dennis Prager
G: It seems that Jewish Dennis Prager’s thinking – which is not the belief of the early Old Testament Hebrews – is what Christianity has formulated. Vindictive, avenging thinking and feelings like Prager’s are what initially invented and later formulated the concepts of Hell. God & Satan / Heaven & Hell are all inventions of man for the purpose of fearfully controlling his fellow man.
P: Dr. Robert Johnson: The logic of our mind suggest that if God is just, if there is righteousness, basic fairness in life, then there needs to be judgment as well as reward.
G: Logic does not indicate that there is a God. Existing and enforceable Civil and Criminal law is designed to compensate or punish those who broke the law. Anything else is the human ego’s fantasy of revenge, compensation or righteousness.
P: Dr. William Varner: If you asked me – do you want to believe in Hell, I would say no -, I don’t want to believe in Hell. I want everybody to go to Heaven. But, to deny Hell is to deny God. He said it in the Bible. To deny Jesus, the one who I follow, to deny Scripture…
G. Sorry, Dr. Varner but, logically and reasonably, I view that you have your feet planted firmly in mid-air.
P: Fundamentalists insist that Jesus’ words say that most souls are headed for damnation. They believe that anyone who has not accepted Jesus Christ as their personal savior is doomed. No one comes to God except through Jesus.
Fact: We all die. None of us knows what happens to us after death.
G: Fact: Religions invent false fear to manipulate us to serve and obey zealous and ruthless self-appointed authorities throughout our lives.
I personally do not believe. I think for myself and do not fear nor obey these life-stealing religions.
P: Miriam Van Scott: If it were not for Hell and free-will, God would say, I don’t care what you want. I don’t care that you hate Me – you are going to be with Me forever – so deal with it. With free-will, a soul may say to God: Look God, I’m sure that Heaven is very nice but I don’t want any part of it and I don’t want any part of You.
Miriam Van Scott’s Book
P: Stories of Hell and Satan seems to be re-written every generation.
Alice Turner: Hell is a shared construction project based on stories by some of the greatest storytellers in the world.
The idea of God, Man and Satan is here to stay as long as there are desires and fears.
Gary DeVaney: Thank you so much “The History Channel” and to the producers of: “Hell: The Devil’s Domain”.
Clergy dogma: We are bought and paid for slaves of God. Jesus shed His blood on the cross which paid for us. God owns us so we must obey Him for His pleasure or we will suffer Eternal-Damnation in Hell. Pastor Arnold Murray contributed to this dubious wit.
Pastor Arnold Murray
Pastor Arnold Murray constantly points you to the way to Hell
What is Hell? How could Hell possibly affect you? If you were in the midst of Hell, felt nothing – due to lack of nerves, were immune to Hell’s effects, could Hell be considered unimportant to you?
Could Hell be seen as meaningless without the feelings of pain, fears, horrors and their intensities to you? Are bad, sad and hurt feelings the only consequences Hell consists of? Could the reality of Hell be: No feelings – no pain. No pain – no Hell?
Have you experienced Hell? If so, how do you like it? Could you explain it? Did your experience of Hell include bad or painful feelings? Don’t your thoughts, jealousies, fears and agendas cause you pain, your own Hell? Can’t you now eliminate surgical pain with anesthesia? Can’t you avoid agendas and people who tend to make your life a living Hell? Can’t you avoid irrational, fearful thoughts of an Eternal-Hell?
Outside of supernatural myth and fictitious poetry that started about 500 BC to intimidate and discipline the masses, is there any current hard evidence of any place called Hell?
Fantasies & Feelings?
Are our feelings, fantasies and irrational fears real to others? Do we want them to be real to others? If so, can we explain why?
God creating a Hell is just another example of a benevolent, kind, loving act on his part. Just think about it, if there were no Hell, you’d be forced to dwell in God’s presence, to hear Christians singing and worshipping for eternity, unable to just “do your own thing”.
Ecclesiastes. 3:19-21 For that which befalls the sons of men befalls beasts; even one thing befalls them: as one dies, so dies the other; yet they all have one breath; so that man hath no preeminence above a beast: for all is vanity. All go to one place; all are of the dust, and all turn to dust again.
Epicurus: Why should I fear death? If I am – death is not. If death is – I am not. Why should I fear that which cannot exist when I do?
Except the fable that Elijah went to heaven, without dying, in a chariot and 2 other similar but less described events, the Old Testament insists that, in death, we return only to dust. There is no afterlife.
Ecclesiastes. 9:5 says: For the living know that they shall die: but the dead know not anything, neither have they any more a reward: for the memory of them is forgotten.
Psalm 6:5 David said to God: For in death there is no remembrance of You (God) in the grave. Who shall give You (God) thanks?
Psalm 115:17 The dead do not praise the Lord, nor do any who go down into the silence.
Silence
Ecclesiastes. 9:10 Whatever your hand finds to do, do it with your might; for there is no work or thought or knowledge or wisdom in Sheol (death / grave) , to which you are going.
If there is no more reward or torment, then it is all over.
So you die. You then realize that you are looking at thousands of angry, authoritative and vengeful gods. You had heard of many of them. Most of them you had not heard of. You learn that you will face each of these Gods and that you will experience their Eternal-Torment because you didn’t correctly believe in and worship them. Then you find out that the Biblical God you heard of and rejected is number 7,148. Get ready and motivated. You have all of eternity to suffer their jealous wrath. GWD
Hell Does NOT Exist
by
Pastor Arnold Murray
According to the Strong’s Concordance, the word “HELL” is supposed to show up, C&V, in the King James Bible 54 times. However, in some of the Old Testament, where the word “HELL” is supposed to be, the word “grave” is documented and death is emphasized.
Pastor Arnold Murray preached: I will challenge anyone. Hell does not exist right now. The words, in the manuscripts, are either the grave or Ghenna. The Ghenna garbage pit outside of Jerusalem is translated Hell. The “Lake of Fire” does not exist until the end of the Millennium. You are making God the Devil to send people into Hell right away – right when they die – without judgment. Judgment Day is not until the end of the Millennium and no one will enter Hell until that event.
I agree with Pastor Murray’s statement that Hell does not exist today – but, unlike Murray – I view that it never will exist. I view that in Biblical myth and that the fictitious Biblical God is also the fictitious Biblical Devil. GWD
Prior to seeing what “HELL” amounts to in the Bible, let’s see a Biblical description of God which is documented:
Deuteronomy 4:24 For the LORD your God is a consuming fire, a jealous God.
The Jealous Biblical God is a Consuming Fire
Deuteronomy 9:3 But be assured today that the LORD your God goes before you as a consuming fire. He shall destroy them and drive them out.
By Bible C&V description – is the Biblical God also Satan & Hell-Fire?
Practicing Christians constantly threaten that – because I am an Atheist and a fundamentalist Bible C&V critic – the Biblical God is going to send me to Hell.
As a logical, rational, free-thinking Atheist – I do not believe in a Supernatural God – nor do I believe in a Heaven or a Hell. Ergo, a Christian’s fear-based, blackmailing, manipulative threats of Hell are powerless over me.
To be extremely honest, most of the practicing Christians that I have met and communicated with during my lifetime – have proven to be intellectually lacking and emotionally boring.
“Tradition” is the dead leading the blind.
As a free-thinker, I tend to lead my life. I am not a believer who tends to follow his life.
If I am mistaken and if there is an eternal afterlife in Heaven or Hell, I have no interest in spending eternity with holier-than-thou, practicing Christians in Heaven.
The “Human Souls” who I have enjoyed and respected the most on Planet Earth – practicing Christians zealously condemn and shamelessly claim that those “Human Souls” will go to Hell.
Morally, I am a sinner! I definitely have some favorite sins.
I even live in Las Vegas (Sin City).
Please, practicing Christians, do not feel rejected! But, know this: If I do have a choice – I would rather spend eternity in Hell with interesting, exciting, free-thinking sinners than to spend eternity with worshipful, god-groveling, redundant, dogma-preaching believers in Heaven.
Regards, Gary DeVaney
Athanasian Creed
Catholic
Trinity & Hell
1. Whosoever will be saved, before all things it is necessary that he hold the Catholic faith;
2. Which faith except every one do keep whole and undefiled, without doubt he shall perish everlastingly.
3. And the catholic faith is this: That we worship one God in Trinity, and Trinity in Unity;
4. Neither confounding the persons nor dividing the substance.
5. For there is one person of the Father, another of the Son, and another of the Holy Spirit.
6. But the Godhead of the Father, of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit is all one, the glory equal, the majesty coeternal.
7. Such as the Father is, such is the Son, and such is the Holy Spirit.
8. The Father uncreated, the Son uncreated, and the Holy Spirit uncreated.
9. The Father incomprehensible, the Son incomprehensible, and the Holy Spirit incomprehensible.
10. The Father eternal, the Son eternal, and the Holy Spirit eternal.
11. And yet they are not three eternals but one eternal.
12. As also there are not three uncreated nor three incomprehensible, but one uncreated and one incomprehensible.
13. So likewise the Father is almighty, the Son almighty, and the Holy Spirit almighty.
14. And yet they are not three almighties, but one almighty.
15. So the Father is God, the Son is God, and the Holy Spirit is God;
16. And yet they are not three Gods, but one God.
17. So likewise the Father is Lord, the Son Lord, and the Holy Spirit Lord;
18. And yet they are not three Lords but one Lord.
19. For like as we are compelled by the Christian verity to acknowledge every Person by himself to be God and Lord;
20. So are we forbidden by the catholic religion to say; There are three Gods or three Lords.
21. The Father is made of none, neither created nor begotten.
22. The Son is of the Father alone; not made nor created, but begotten.
23. The Holy Spirit is of the Father and of the Son; neither made, nor created, nor begotten, but proceeding.
24. So there is one Father, not three Fathers; one Son, not three Sons; one Holy Spirit, not three Holy Spirits.
25. And in this Trinity none is afore or after another; none is greater or less than another.
26. But the whole three persons are coeternal, and coequal.
27. So that in all things, as aforesaid, the Unity in Trinity and the Trinity in Unity is to be worshipped.
28. He therefore that will be saved must thus think of the Trinity.
29. Furthermore it is necessary to everlasting salvation that he also believe rightly the incarnation of our Lord Jesus Christ.
30. For the right faith is that we believe and confess that our Lord Jesus Christ, the Son of God, is God and man.
31. God of the substance of the Father, begotten before the worlds; and man of substance of His mother, born in the world.
32. Perfect God and perfect man, of a reasonable soul and human flesh subsisting.
33. Equal to the Father as touching His Godhead, and inferior to the Father as touching His manhood.
34. Who, although He is God and man, yet He is not two, but one Christ.
35. One, not by conversion of the Godhead into flesh, but by taking of that manhood into God.
36. One altogether, not by confusion of substance, but by unity of person.
37. For as the reasonable soul and flesh is one man, so God and man is one Christ;
38. Who suffered for our salvation, descended into hell, rose again the third day from the dead.
39. He ascended into heaven, He sits on the right hand of the Father, God, Almighty;
40. From thence He shall come to judge the quick and the dead.
41. At whose coming all men shall rise again with their bodies;
42. and shall give account of their own works.
43. And they that have done good shall go into life everlasting and they that have done evil into everlasting fire.
44. This is the Ctholic faith, which except a man believe faithfully he cannot be saved.
Have you ever seen anything so nonsensical and absurd?
“Life’s hard. It’s even harder when you’re stupid.” John Wayne
What? No! How can that be? Surprised? If there is war in Heaven, what other horrors does Heaven hold? How can you explain that God is truly in control? How can you explain God’s lack of popularity in Heaven?
Revelation 19:14 The armies which were in Heaven…
The US army I was in was designed for fighting, destroying, killing and dying. If you fight and die in God’s army in Heaven, where do you go from there?
Matthew 11:11 Jesus said: He that is least in Heaven is greater than He.
What? Is there discrimination, inequality, rank or a caste system in Heaven?
What do you truly know about Heaven? What do you believe about Heaven?
Is what you claim to know and what you claim to believe about Heaven vastly different?
Matthew 11:12 Jesus said: The Kingdom of Heaven suffers violence, and the violent are taking it by force.
What? Doesn’t Christian dogma promote Heaven to be “bliss” and “paradise”? How can Heaven be “paradise” if Jesus Christ, Himself, says there is violence in Heaven? You do believe Jesus, don’t you? If so, how can you have it both ways? Do you give up Jesus’ integrity or give up Heaven being paradise?
“Paradise” / “Bliss”
Jesus Christ! What’s going on here?
Matthew 16:19 Whatsoever you shall bind on Earth shall be bound in Heaven.
What? Does this mean that you are bound, limited and restricted in Heaven?
Matthew 24:35 Heaven and Earth shall pass away but My words shall not pass away.
Matthew 5:18 Till Heaven and Earth pass…
II Peter 3:10 & 12 Heaven shall pass away with a great noise / be dissolved in flames.
WHAT? If Heaven passes away, how does that effect your Eternal-Life?
If your life passes away, it is not eternal. If your life is not eternal, what has all the religious / salvation fuss been about?
Concerning Heaven and God, some tend to know the price of everything and the value of nothing. Some stress the price of Eternal-Damnation, punishment and suffering rather than any values or riches of Heaven.
If God does not change, how can being around armies for eternity be of value?
Conclusion: Religion is primitive politics. It is still used by power-oriented people who don’t find themselves popular or strong enough to be in the political arena. It is designed to win over the hearts and minds of people.
Hearts & Minds
Tools of religion include bribery, intimidation, and awesome fear-based ultimatums.
Religions are used by people who want to boss other people around.
Many clergy use military “Psy-Ops” (Psychological Operations) tactics: “Grab the populace by the balls and their hearts and minds will follow.”
The New Testament claims “life after death” throughout. But, is there “life after death” in the Old Testament?
Isaiah 26:19: Thy dead men shall live, together with my dead body shall they arise. Awake and sing ye that dwell in dust: for thy dew is as the dew of herbs and the Earth shall cast out the dead.
This one source, Isaiah, says yes. Isaiah claims that his body, which science knows eventually turns to dust, will arise. It is absurd but it is a documented “life after death” claim in the Old Testament.
But – the O.T. is again contradictory and confusing for Isaiah 26:14 had already said in:
Isaiah 26:14 They are dead, they shall not live. They are deceased, they shall not rise. Therefore hast Thou visited and destroyed them, and made all their memory to parish. Catholic
Elijah, I don’t think, qualifies for a “life after death” story IF Elijah was considered to be alive when taken up to Heaven.
Is the Biblical God “good and perfect”? Did God give human beings “perfect” laws to obey? Did this “unchanging” and “in control” God stand by and honor His own laws?
Let’s put to the test one of God’s Bible-documented perfect laws:
Deuteronomy 24:16 Fathers shall not be put to death for their children, nor children for their fathers; only for his own guilt shall a man be put to death.
God had His Son, Jesus, Tortured & Crucified?
In my value system, this law does seem just and fair. How about you?
Jeremiah 31:30 … through his own fault only shall anyone die…
This also seems just and fair.
Ezekiel 18:20 Only the one who sins will die. The son shall not be charged with the sins of the father, nor shall the father be charged with the guilt of the son.
Good job, God (fictitious or not). I agree that these laws are just and fair.
But, does the Biblical God truly prove to be just and fair? Does God truly stand by and honor His own documented Bible C&V laws?
Behold!
Exodus 20:5 & Numbers 14:18 & Deuteronomy 5:9 all document that God said: I am a jealous God inflicting punishment on the children for generations for their father’s wickedness…
Exodus 34:7 The sins of the father will be punished upon his future children and grandchildren to the 3rd and 4th generation for their father’s wickedness.
What? Well, this disgusting Bible C&V can not be much clearer or better understood. In my sense of right and wrong, this law is not just and fair.
Reader, do you dare to take a stand on this law being just and fair?
Has anyone noticed that by observing these selected Bible C&Vs, the Bible clearly contradicted itself? Can anyone refute, with integrity, that within these Bible C&Vs their lies contradiction? God’s “perfect” law is perfectly contradicted by God’s own perfect, flawless, God-inspired Bible. It becomes obvious that one must believe because one cannot know the inconsistent and contradictory will of the Biblical God.
An astute, honest, questioning thinker may conclude that this inconsistent God character is fictional and that the Bible consists mostly of mythical and supernatural hoaxes.
In reality, the Bible documents in Exodus 34:7 that God’s perfect law does condemn the innocent children for the father’s sins. Many victims in the Holy Bible do pay for the sins of another. Here are some selected, controversial examples:
God broke His own perfect law by imputing the sin of Adam on all of Adam’s descendants – with the exception of Jesus Christ – of course.
How can that be considered to be fair and just?
God broke His own perfect law when God was not pleased with the flawed and sinful mankind that He had created. So, God murdered all but 8 human beings as documented in:
Genesis 7:21-23 All creatures, outside of Noah’s ark, that stirred on Earth the Biblical God did murder by drowning.
This included men, women and babies.
God Killed all Life except for
1 Boatload of Humans & Animals?
One must question how “guilty and sinful” all those newborn babies, who drowned, must have been. As the “father” of all those destroyed men, women and children, God must not have taught them very well. How good of a father-model was the Biblical God?
How do believers define perfection concerning their God? God also murdered His creation in vain as the Bible documents that mankind has continued to be evil and sinful ever since the flood. This poor, frustrated and miserable God just cannot seem to get it right – and – this insane God always takes His own failures out on His creation.
That, somehow, is claimed to be good, perfect, fair and just – by delusional, anti-human, social-dyslectic minds. Do zealot God worshippers simply hate other human beings? God obviously hates and destroys human beings that He cannot get to serve Him on His terms. Is that the delusional model that zealous God-worshippers learn and adopt?
God broke His own perfect law by murdering about 3,000 of His own “chosen” Israelites because Aaron, Moses’ brother, made a golden-calf for them to worship.
Really? Where is that written – you might say?
Exodus 32:27-28 Moses (Levi) ordered all the sons of Levi to slay their own family, friends and neighbors. Moses murdered about 3,000 of their own relatives. (God’s own chosen people.)
Moses Murdered 3,000 of God’s “Chosen” People?
Exodus 40:13-15 God then said: Anoint Aaron and his sons as My priests for all future generations.
What? Aaron, the maker of the golden-calf, was not punished? Aaron was promoted to become the head of God’s priests? Those poor, murdered people could not have worshipped that golden-calf if Aaron had not made it. What unjust and unfair hypocrisy! By this example, how can you consider the Biblical God (fictitious or not) to be just and fair?
God broke His own perfect law by murdering all of the “first-born” of Egypt due to Pharaoh’s consistent disobedience.
Actually, God forced Pharaoh to be disobedient during God’s 10 plagues.
What? You say you don’t believe that? Really! What part?
Look – don’t believe me or any other man. Check out the selected Bible C&V evidence and know for yourself. When you are tested in school, you are not graded on what you believe – you are graded on what you know. When you say that you believe – you admit that you do not know.
The Lord’s Prayer is praying TO the Biblical God. Right? The prayer includes: “Lead us not into temptation”. Right? The Bible claims that God does NOT tempt us. Right? Christians claim that the Devil / Satan – not God – tempts us. Concerning God’s bet with Satan, didn’t God tempt and test Job? If all-knowing God already knew the outcome, why did God allow the deaths of Job’s children and servants? Is Satan just the Biblical God being nasty or in a murderous bad mood? Can any believer straighten out this confusion?
Blind Justice
Justice is an inter-relationship / consequence form that exists in a society of Human Animals. Humans evolved to make documented laws in which Humans have accepted norms of behavior that require each Human to treat other Humans with fairness and equality. These documented civil and criminal human laws – equal for all – provide law-enforcement, the right to be heard and tried in a legal court-of-law and the appropriate punishments for the legal judgment for infraction of those documented laws.
Blind justice disregards who committed the legal infraction. Blind justice focuses only on the evidence of innocence or guilt of the infraction.
Justice exists because no civilized human animal wants to be treated unfairly by another human animal in relationship, trade, court or his or her right to be heard. “Moral Laws”, that are not documented civil or criminal laws, can not be judged in a court of law. One can not legislate morality.
Warning! You may become totally sick of the Biblical God if you truly understand the Bible-documented scenario – “God on Trial” – The God Murders website. It does focus on the legal “just and fairness” of God.
Apply your personal moral-litmus-test after you have experienced “God on Trial” at The God Murders website:
The God Murders Website is the Atheist’s Best Friend!
“Intelligence is Categorical”
“Insanity is Contagious”
“A High Percentage of Stupid is Stubborn”
Trust in God is like a pencil eraser. The more mistakes you erase the smaller it gets.
The Biblical God Is Evil
by
Gary DeVaney
Do you define your God by these deeds?
Isaiah 45:7 I, the Lord, make peace and I create evil.
This is documented, Bible C&V, that God, not Satan, creates evil.
Exodus 32:14 God repented of the evil He thought to do to His people.
Joshua 23:15 God brings upon you all evil things.
I Samuel 18:10-11 God sent Saul an evil spirit.
II Samuel 12:11 God said: I will raise up evil against you out of your own house.
I Kings 14:10 God will bring evil upon the house of Jeroboam.
II Kings 6:33 Behold, this evil is of the Lord.
II Kings 21:12 God is bringing evil upon Jerusalem & Judah.
II Kings 22:16 God said: I will bring evil upon this place.
Jeremiah 1:14 God said: I will bring evil upon them.
Jeremiah 6:19 God said: Behold, I will bring evil upon this people.
Jeremiah 7:31 God said: The children of Judah have done evil. They burn their sons and daughters in fire.
Note: The Israelites DID do child sacrifice.
Judges 11: 29-39 God accepted Jephthah’s burnt sacrifice of his virgin daughter as was a custom in Israel.
Judges 11:39 is documented, C&V, that child sacrifice, by burnt offering to God, was a custom in Israel.
Jephthah was one of God’s Biblical heroes. Jephthah murdered 20 cities for God. God made no complaint nor consequence about Jephthah’s burnt offering of his daughter to God.
Jeremiah 11:11 God: I will bring evil and destruction from the north.
Jeremiah 32:42 God brought upon them all this evil.
Jeremiah 45:5 God said: I will bring evil upon all flesh.
Jeremiah 49:37 God: I will bring evil upon them in my fierce anger.
Nehemiah 13:17-19 Did not our God bring all this evil upon us?
Micah 1:12 Evil came down from God.
Micah 2:3 God said: Against this family do I devise an evil.
Amos 3:6 Shall there be evil in a city and the Lord hath not done it?
Jeremiah 18:8 God said: I will repent of the evil I planned.
If you claim that the Biblical God is in control, then you know who is to blame for all the evil.
Thomas Paine: Belief in a cruel God makes a cruel man.
God’s Lies & Deception
II Chronicles 18:21 God said: Go be a lying spirit in the mouth of his prophets.
I Kings 22:23 God put a lying spirit in the mouth of thy prophets.
Jeremiah 20:7 God, you have deceived me, and I was deceived.
II Thessalonians 2:11 God sends a strong delusion to make them believe a lie. KJV
Genesis
Genesis 6:7 God murdered man and repented that He had made mankind.
Genesis 6:22-23 By flood, God murdered every lifeform on Earth except 8 Human Beings and a boatload of animals.
Genesis 19:1-25 God murdered the cities of Sodom and Gomorrah.
Genesis 19:26 God murdered Lot’s wife, the mother of 2 virgin girls, by turning her into a pillar of salt.
Genesis 28:12 Angels climbed up and down (Jacob’s Ladder.)
Note: Exodus 37:9 Cherubim have wings. Angels “God’s Messengers” do not have wings.
Genesis 38:8-10 God murdered Onan who refused to knock-up Tamar, his sister-in-law.
Exodus
Exodus 4:10-11 Moses told God that he was “slow of speech” / had a speech impediment. God told Moses that He, God, made the deaf, dumb and blind.
Exodus 6:7-7 God said: I brought the Israelites out of Egypt, and they are now My slaves.
Leviticus 25:42 The Israelites are my slaves, whom I brought out of Egypt. They must not be sold as slaves.
New Testament: Ephesians 6:5 Slaves obey your masters with fear as you would Jesus Christ.
Exodus 9:19 God murdered, by hail, every Egyptian man and animal that was outdoors.
Exodus 12:12 God said: I will Passover Egypt and murder every firstborn of the Egyptians and their animals. I am God.
A crime consists of intent and action. Exodus 12:12 is evidence of God’s intent.
Exodus 12:29 God murdered all of Egypt’s firstborn.
This Bible C&V is evidence of God’s action. God is proven to be guilty of mass murder.
Exodus 13:2 God said: Give to me every firstborn male whether Human or animal.
Exodus 15:4 God drowned the Pharoah’s army.
Exodus 20:3 God said: You will have no other Gods but Me.
Is God claiming that other gods exist?
Exodus 20:5 & 34:6-7 God said: I am a jealous God visiting the sins of the fathers upon the children unto the 3rd and 4th generation.
Note: A contradiction.
II Kings 14:6 Children won’t die for their fathers and fathers won’t die for their children. Every man shall die for his own sins.
Exodus 20:13 God said: You shall not kill.
Note: Turns out God meant: You shall not kill except on My terms.
Exodus 20:14 God said: You shall not commit adultery.
Note: Most of God’s Biblical Heroes committed adultery.
Exodus 20:15 God said: You shall not steal.
God commanded His “Chosen Israelites” to murder men, women and children in order to steal their land, “The Promised Land”.
Exodus 20:20 Moses said: God has come to test you and to put His fear on you.
Who needs any Satan or Devil with the evil mind of this God?
Exodus 20:23-24 God said: Do not conform to the nations you are murdering. Their land, filled with milk and honey I give you as The Promised Land.
Note: You know that God ordered His Israelites to murder every man, woman and child in 20 cities.
Exodus 21:7-11 God commands how to sell your daughter.
Exodus 21:9 A priest’s daughter who has sex shall be burned to death.
Exodus 21:13 A priest will only marry a virgin.
Exodus 21:15 God will murder whoever strikes his father or mother.
Exodus 21:17 God commanded: Murder all who curse their father and mother.
Exodus 21:20-21 God said: If a master hurts his slave and he dies immediately, the master will be punished. But, if the slave dies after a day or two, the master will not be punished because that slave is his own money.
Exodus 22:15-16 If a man has sex with a virgin, he must pay the “bride-price” and she shall be his wife.
Q: Did this unchanging Biblical God create women to have no equality?
Exodus 22:18 & Leviticus 20:27 God directed to murder sorceress / witches.
Exodus 22:19 God commanded: Anyone, who sacrifices to another god, shall be murdered.
Exodus 22:20 God ordered to murder anyone who sacrificed to another God.
God suggests again and again that there are other gods.
Exodus 22:29 Do not hold back offerings. The first-born of your sons you give to God, the same as your oxen and sheep. After 7 days you shall “give” (sacrifice) them to me.
II Samuel 12:9-18 After King David and Bathsheba’s son lived for 7 days, God, as promised, murdered the boy because of David’s and Bathsheba’s sins.
You know, David knocked-up Bathsheba. Then King David had Uria, Bathsheba’s husband and David’s officer, killed in battle. And God murdered the son for the sins of the parents.
Exodus 23:13 God demanded: Never mention the name of any other God; it shall not be heard from your lips.
Q: Is this arrogant, narcissistic, self-centered God jealous and possessive?
Remember: Exodus 20:5 I am a jealous God.
Exodus 23:23-29 God said: My Angel will go before you and murder many tribes. You must demolish them. You shall worship Me. I will have the fear of Me precede you. I will throw panic in every nation you reach. I will drive them out until you are numerous enough to take their land. You shall not make a covenant with them or their gods. Catholic
God told those who came out of Egypt: I will take you and give you “The Promised Land”. Then God demands that they murder every man, woman and child so to steal their land.
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Q: Why does this lying, evil, murderous and land-stealing God remind me of the greatest liar of all time? That would be former President Donald J. Trump! The New York Times and the Washington Post documented 30,529 fact checked, lies that Donald Trump publicly spoke during his one 4-year term. 30,529 fact-checked lies in 1,460 days equals almost 21 publicly-recorded spoken lies per day. With that much evil, lying talent, along with his desire to be King and dominate, former President Donald J. Trump could have become the real tyrannical God of this world.
Exodus 25:1-3 God said: Tell the Israelites to take up a collection for me. From every man you will accept gold, silver and more.
Q: What use could a supernatural / maybe fictitious God have use for gold and silver?
Exodus 25:10 God told Moses: You shall make an Arc.
Note: This is the first idol God ordered Moses to make. God also ordered a bronze snake wrapped around a pole so that people who saw it would not die of snake bite.
Numbers 21:5-9 The people complained against God and Moses. God sent poisonous snakes among the Israelites. Many died. Then God ordered Moses to make a snake image and put it on a pole. When someone was bitten and looked at the bronze snake, he would recover.
God forbids idolatry- like making golden calves and worshipping statues. Then God ordered Moses to make these 2 idols. You know that if you are dying and if you see something that allows you to live – you worship it.
Exodus 31:15 God commanded: Anyone who works on the Sabbath, will be put to death. Catholic
Q: What percentage of God’s 613 O. T. Commandments do you believe in enough to live by them?
Exodus 31:18 God gave Moses 2 stone tablets of 10 Commandments inscribed by God’s own finger.
The Golden Calf
Exodus 32:1-5 When the Israelites saw that Moses was late coming down from the mountain, they gathered gold and asked Aaron, Moses’ brother and High Priest to make them a Golden Calf. Make us a god to lead us for Moses led us out of Egypt and we don’t know what has happened to him. Aaron accepted their gold and made the Golden Calf and an alter for it.
Exodus 32:6-24 God was furious! GOD told Moses: Go down to your people who you brought out of Egypt. They are making a molten calf and are worshipping it. God ordered Moses: Let Me alone! Let my wrath consume them! Moses disobeyed God. God relented. Moses came down. Moses saw the Golden Calf. Angry Moses threw down God’s finger-written tablets. They were destroyed. Joshua sided with Moses. Moses ground the golden calf down, put the powder in water and made the Israelites drink the gold laced water. Moses asked his brother Aaron: What did they do to you that you led them to sin? Aaron said: They said to me make us a god, a golden calf to lead us. I threw their gold in the fire and a golden calf came out.
Exodus 32:25-33 Angry Moses ordered the Israelites to murder their kinsmen, their friends and neighbors. God had Moses murder 3,000 of God’s “chosen People”.
Exodus 32:34 God said: When it is time for Me to punish, I will punish them for their sin.
Exodus 32:35 God murdered His own Israelites for having Aaron make the Golden Calf for them. Catholic
Q: Why didn’t God punish Aaron? Why did God let Aaron remain the High Priest?
Exodus 32:28 God had Moses order the murder 3,000 of their own brothers, friends and neighbors.
Note: God got pissed and murdered 3,000 of His own “chosen people”. What a God! Satan has nothing over this insane Deity.
Adolf Hitler said: If the German people do not give me success, they do not deserve to survive.
What loyalty did the Biblical God and Adolf Hitler give their people?
Exodus 33:18-23 Moses said to God: Let me see You. God said to Moses: I will let my beauty pass before you. I will show favor to whom I will. I will show mercy to whom I will. But no man sees my face and lives. My face is not to be seen.
Note: God said to Moses: I will let my beauty pass before you. This God must think He’s Donald Trump.
Note: Some of God’s heroes will claim to see God face to face.
Exodus 34:6-7 & Deuteronomy 5:8-10 God punishes children for the sins of the parents.
Exodus 34:14 KJV You shall worship no other god: for the Lord, whose name is Jealous, is a jealous God.
Exodus 37:9 The Cherubim had wings.
Note: Angels do not have wings based on Angels climbing up and down Jacob’s ladder. Genesis 28:12
Leviticus 10:1-2 God murdered two of Aaron’s sons by fire.
Q: Did God hold a grudge against Aaron for making the Golden Calf. Was God’s murdering 2 of Aaron’s sons Aaron’s punishment?
Leviticus 18:12 God commanded: You shall not have sex with your father’s sister.
Exodus 6:20 Amram took Jochebed, his father’s sister, to wife. They bore Aaron, Moses (and Miriam).
Moses, God’s very important hero, was a product of God-forbidden incest.
Leviticus 20:10 God commands: If you commit adultery, both shall be put to death.
Leviticus 20:11 God commands: If a man has sex with his father’s wife, murder them both.
Leviticus 20:12 God commands: If a man screws his daughter-in-law, murder them both.
Leviticus 20:13 God commands: If a man has sex with a man, murder them both.
Leviticus 20:14 God commands: If a man marries a woman and her mother, burn all three to death.
Leviticus 20:15 If a man has sex with an animal, God commands to murder them both.
Leviticus 20:16 If a woman has sex with an animal God commands to murder both of them.
Leviticus 20:17 If a man has sex or marries his sister or half-sister, the man will pay a penalty for having screwed them.
Q: What? Pay a penalty? Is this why most of God’s Biblical Heroes did incest or were products of incest?
Leviticus 20:20-21 You shall not have sex with your mother’s or your father’s sister. If a man has sex with his father’s sister, his aunt will be punished by dying childless. They will be childless because of incest. Catholic
Leviticus 24:16 God ordered an Israelite who blasphemed God’s name murdered. All the congregation shall murder him.
Leviticus 25:44-46 God said: Male and female slaves you may indeed possess.
Leviticus 26:14-38 God commands: Obey me or I will kill you.
Leviticus 26:29 God said: Obey Me or you will eat your sons and daughters.
Ezekiel 5:10 God said: Fathers shall eat their sons and sons shall eat their fathers.
Numbers
Numbers 3:10 God ordered: Any layman coming near the alter will be put to death.
Numbers 4:20 God claimed whom He would murder if they looked at sacred objects.
Numbers 11:1 The people complained, so God burned / murdered many of them.
Numbers 14:6-9 Joshua and Caleb said to the Israelite assembly: If God is pleased, God will lead us to and give us The Promised Land filled with milk and honey. Do not rebel against God. Do not be afraid of the enemy because we will murder them. Their protection is gone. God is with us.
Numbers 11:4-35 Some of “God’s Chosen” complained about food to Moses and God. Moses said to God: Why do You put this burden on me? Am I their mother? Where can I get meat for them? This is too much work for me. If this is how You are going to treat me, why not just kill me. I can’t do this anymore. God said: I will give them meat until it comes out of their ears. God dropped Quail all around the camp.
Numbers 11:20 God men who were hungry for meat. God made them eat meat until it killed them.
Numbers 14:20-30 God said: I will murder all of you, over 20-years-old, who saw what I did in Egypt but who still will not obey Me.
This Biblical God, the One God of Abraham, murdered every one of His “chosen people” who were over 20 years old when they came out of Egypt, because they still do not obey. All of those trusting people did NOT get into “The Promised Land. God never breaks His promises – unless He feels like it. Caleb and Joshua were the only 2 men God spared out of 600,000 infantry. Catholic
Numbers 15:32-36 God ordered the whole congregation to murder a man found gathering sticks on “The Sabbath”.
The Biblical God made the whole Israelite congregation become murders. So, God’s “Thou shalt not kill” is “except on My terms”. So, who do you say needs Satan?
Numbers 16:35 250 Israelite leaders disobeyed Moses. God burned them all alive.
Numbers 16:45 God commanded Moses get yourselves up from this congregation so I can murder them.
Numbers 16:49 Israelites complained against Moses. God murdered 14,700 of His own people. You know, I may be a little slow, but I am now convinced that the Biblical God IS Satan.
Numbers 21:6 God sent poisonous snakes against His people. Many were bitten and died.
Numbers 21:8-9 God ordered Moses to make a snake around a pole so whoever sees it shall live.
God ordered for Moses to build an idol in Numbers 21-8. In Exodus 25:10-12 God ordered Moses to build the Arc of the Covenant. The snake around the pole saved lives. Both were “graven Images” and against God’s 2nd commandment.
Amos 9:3 God said: I command the serpent and he shall bite them.
Numbers 21:34-35 God ordered Moses to kill the King, his sons and all his people and to take their land.
Numbers 22:33 God said: I would have murdered you – but I would have spared your ass.
Numbers 25:6-9 God stopped killing after murdering 24,000 more of His chosen.
Numbers 15:16-18 God ordered Moses: Treat the Midianites as enemies. Crush them.
Numbers 31:17-18 God murdered all males, mothers and babies and kept the 32,000 virgins.
God made the Israelites wander 40 years in the desert until they all died.
Numbers 14:26-35 God: Because you have spurned the land, I will do to you what I thought to do to them.
Numbers 14:26-30 You who I took out of Egypt over 20-years-old will not get the Promised Land. You will die in the desert. Catholic
Numbers 15:32-36 A man was found gathering wood on the Sabbath. God told Moses: The man must die. The whole assembly shall murder him.
God ordered everybody to murder this man for gathering wood on the Sabbath.
Numbers 17:13 God said: Murder any stranger / layman who comes near the tabernacle of God.
Right! Now you are God’s slaves. Obey God or you will be tortured and murdered. (No afterlife yet.)
Later, in the New Testament, Jesus added: Obey God and Me or you will suffer Hell’s “Eternal-Torment”.
In most of the Old Testament, the Israelites / Jews believed their God did it all. There was no afterlife, no Heaven, no Hell, no salvation. There was only dust to dust. It wasn’t until a new Jewish Rabbi plagiarized Zoroastrianism and preached afterlife, Heaven, Hell, and salvation. He is called Jesus Christ. The temple priests wanted Jesus dead for blasphemy, and they arranged for the Roman authorities to crucify him. This Rabbi, called Jesus Christ, gave rise to a new religion called “Christianity”. Click on the topic:Zoroastrianism!
Leviticus
Leviticus 1:9, 18 & 3:5 In sacrifice, the fragrance of the burning fat is God’s.
Leviticus 4:27-31 In sacrifice, the pleasing fragrance of the burning fat is God’s.
God wants consistent painful sacrifice just so his smeller is satisfied. What an arrogant, narcissistic God!
Leviticus 10:1-2 Two sons of Aaron offered profane fire before God. Fire came out of God, and they died.
Leviticus 20:10 If a man has sex with another man’s wife, murder both of them.
Leviticus 20:14 God commanded: If a man marries a woman and her mother, murder all 3 of them.
Leviticus 20:15 God commanded: If a man has sex with an animal, murder both of them.
Leviticus 20:16 God commanded: Murder women who have sex with animals.
Leviticus 20:27 God commanded: If a man or woman acts as a fortuneteller, murder them.
Leviticus 21:9 God ordered: A priest’s daughter who fornicates – burn her to death.
Leviticus 21:23 God said: Anyone with a handicap shall not profane God’s sanctuary.
So, if the Biblical God is in control, it would be God’s will that you have a handicap. If you are suffering a handicap, God forbids you to enter His church or temple. If you are a believer, can you tell me that this is the God in your heart? Is this the God that you worship, obey, support, promote and finance?
Leviticus 26:14-44 The Old Testament God’s constant threat: Obey Me or I will punish, torture, kill you.
Leviticus 26:14-44 God said: Obey me or I will torture and kill you.
Deuteronomy
Deuteronomy 2:14-15 Thirty-eight years later, God had murdered the whole generation of his soldiers.
Deuteronomy 3:3-6 God delivered Og and we killed all the men, women and children of 60 cities.
Deuteronomy 5:15 God said: Remember, you were slaves in Egypt. I, God, brought you out of Egypt.
Deuteronomy 17:5 You shall bring forth the wicked man or woman and kill them, they shall die.
Deuteronomy 17:1-7 When God drives out 7 nations that are stronger than you, after you defeat them, you must murder them all. God did not choose you because you were the largest. You are the smallest.
Deuteronomy 7:16 Without pity, murder all the people who God delivers to you.
Deuteronomy 7:20 God will send hornets to destroy your enemies until they die.
Deuteronomy 28:15-68 If you don’t obey God, you will be cursed, tortured and murdered.
Hosea 4:6 God said: Because you refuse to know me, I will forget your children.
Hebrews 12:29 Our God is a consuming fire.
Deuteronomy 12:2 You shall destroy places and kill people for serving other gods.
Deuteronomy 13:6-10 God commanded: Kill your brother, son, daughter, wife, or friend if they entice you to serve other gods.
God commands that you murder your own family if they serve other gods. Can you define insanity?
Deuteronomy 13:13-15 God said: The cities that worship other gods, you must murder them all.
Do you still believe God’s command: Thou shall not kill? Maybe God means except on My terms.
Deuteronomy 17:7 The witnesses must be the first to kill him and then all will help kill him.
This insane, murderous God, this One God of Abraham, has a lust for His creation to murder each other.
Deuteronomy 17:12 God said: Anyone who doesn’t listen to my priests and Judges shall be murdered.
Deuteronomy 21:18-21 God ordered: If a father has a stubborn, rebellious son, murder the son.
Deuteronomy 22:20-21 God ordered: If the tokens of virginity be not found in a girl, murder her.
Deuteronomy 22:22 God ordered: If a man has sex with a married woman, murder them both.
Deuteronomy 22:23-27 God commanded: If a man has sex with a betrothed virgin, murder both.
Deuteronomy 22:28-30 If a man rapes a virgin, he must pay her father 50 shekels and marry her, never to divorce her.
God ordered: If a man rapes a virgin, he must then marry her and never divorce her. How dare you say: “God’s laws are not fair?” Blasphemy, I tell you!
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If YOU do not obey God – this will happen to YOU
Deuteronomy 28:7 God will cause your enemies to murder you.
Deuteronomy 28:15 God said: If you don’t obey me, my curses will overcome you.
Deuteronomy 28:20 God will defeat every enterprise you undertake until you are destroyed.
Deuteronomy 28:21 God will make disease attach to you until you are murdered.
Deuteronomy 28:22 God shall murder you by consumption, inflammation, fever, burning and a sword.
Deuteronomy 28:24 God will ruin your land until you die.
Deuteronomy 28:25 God will cause your enemies to murder you.
Deuteronomy 28:26 God will have your body be eaten by beasts.
Deuteronomy 28:27 God will give you hemorrhoids that can’t be healed.
Deuteronomy 28:28 God will make you crazy and blind.
Deuteronomy 28:30 God will make other men screw your wife.
Deuteronomy 28:32 God will give your sons and daughters to other people.
Deuteronomy 28:35 God will smite you from head to toe. You can’t be healed.
Deuteronomy 28:41 Your sons and daughters shall go into captivity.
Deuteronomy 32:42 God said: I will make my arrows drunk with blood.
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Deuteronomy 28:45 All God’s curses come upon you because you do not obey Me.
Deuteronomy 28:53 You shall eat the sons and daughters that I gave you.
Deuteronomy 28:55 God will have you eat your kids.
Deuteronomy 28:56-57 God said: The most delicate woman will eat her afterbirth and her infant.
Deuteronomy 28:58 If you do not obey the words and laws of God, you will fear the name of God.
Deuteronomy 28:61 God will bring every sickness upon you until you die.
Deuteronomy 28:62 These things will happen to you if you don’t obey God.
Deuteronomy 34:4 God told Moses: This is the land I promised to Abraham, Isaak and Jacob. You will die and not get not get into the promised land.
Well, there you go. Moses – God’s greatest hero so far in the Bible – God denies getting into “The Promised Land”. Aaron and Miriam didn’t make it either. This God is one sick, lying, deceiving, rotten promise-breaking individual.
Ezekiel 18:20 God said: The soul that sins shall die.
Note: Later, in the New Testament, Jesus Christ added for fearful believers “Hell’s Eternal-Torment”.
I Samuel 15:3-23 God ordered King Saul to murder all the Amalekites; every man, woman, children and small babies. Saul murdered all of King Agag’ army but kept Agag alive. God said to Saul’s prophet, Samuel: Saul did not obey Me, and I am sorry I made him King. Samuel told Saul: God told you to murder all the Amalekites and you did not obey God. You let King Agag live. God now rejects you as King.
I Samuel 15:33 Samuel cut King Agag to pieces.
Joshua
Joshua 6:22-25 God ordered Joshua’s army to slaughtered men, women and children except for Rahab- the-Harlot.
Rahab-the-Harlot helped Joshua kill all of her people and her city. She and her family were allowed to live. Rahab-the-Harlot was not an Israelite and she married Salmon, an Israelite. Rahab and Salmon had Boaz who later married Ruth who was also not an Israelite. The Bible contains The Book of Ruth. Rahab-the-Harlot and Ruth were the great grandmother and grandmother of King David and also in Jesus Christ’s bloodline / lineage. There was another woman who sold sex in Jesus’ lineage. Tamar sold sex and was impregnated by Judah in Genesis chapter 38. Tamar had twins. One was Perez, who was in King David’s and Jesus Christ’s bloodline.
A’chan took war-spoils. God burned A’chan and his children.
Joshua 8:1 God commands Joshua to murder A’I, a quiet and peaceful city, and to take its spoils and livestock as booty.
Joshua 8:25 Joshua obeyed God and twelve thousand (12,000) men and women were murdered.
Joshua 8:28-29 Joshua then burnt Ai and hanged their King.
Joshua proved to have the same insane bloodlust as Israel’s God. I do feel so sorry for mindset believers. But a high percentage of stupid is stubborn.
Joshua 10:11 God cast down great stones from Heaven. More Human Beings died from God’s stones than from the sword.
Joshua 10:12 Joshua ordered God make the Sun stand still so he could finish God’s killing.
God actually took orders from Joshua. That stretches belief.
Joshua 10:16-43 Joshua and God slaughtered the cities person leaving no survivors.
Joshua 10:26 Five Kings remained alive Prisoners Of War. God’s Joshua killed the 5 POWs.
Joshua, overall, murdered 31 Kings and destroyed their cities for the mindset believer’s favorite God.
Joshua 24:13 God said to Joshua: I gave you land you did not till and cities you did not build.
This is Bible C&V evidence that God had Joshua murder and steal for other people’s land and cities.
Romans 9:18 God has mercy on whom He desires and makes stubborn / hardens the hearts of the people God hated.
Throughout the history on the Bible, God wanted the people He made stupid and stubborn dead.
Judges 20:20-48 God’s Israelites attacked their own tribe of Benjamin. The Benjamites killed 22,000 of the Israelites. The Israelites whined to God and asked God if they should attack them again. God said: God attack them. The Benjamites killed 18,000 more of their brother Israelites. Phinehas, grandson of Aaron asked God if they should again attack their brother Benjamites. God said: Attack them again tomorrow. God murdered 25,100 Benjamites before Israel. 18,000 more Benjamites fell. A total of 25,000 Benjamite men fell that day. Israel set fires to all the cities they came to.
Judges 21:8-12 Twelve thousand of God’s Israelites killed every man and murdered every woman who was not a virgin. They kept 400 virgins.
I Samuel
I Samuel 2:6-9 God murders and makes alive. God makes the poor and the rich, the sad and the happy.
I Samuel 6:19 God slaughtered 50,070 men who looked into the Arc of God. KJV
I Samuel 15:2-33 God ordered King Saul to murder all the Amalekites, every man, woman and child. Spare no one. King Saul murdered them all the men women and children but spared King Agag. God regretted having made Saul King. God now rejected Saul for someone better to be King over Israel. Then, Samuel, God’s prophet, cut King Agag to pieces.
Was David made King after King Saul?
I Samuel 18:27 God’s chosen David murders and circumcises 200 Philistines. He traded the 200 foreskins to King Saul for his daughter, Michal, in marriage.
I Chronicles 13:9 Uzzah tried to stop the Arc of the God on the OX cart from tipping over. Angry God murdered Uzzah.
II Samuel 7:9 God told David: I have murdered your enemies before you. I have made your name great.
II Sam 24:1 God ordered King David to number Israel and Judah.
Who? God ordered this census?
II Samuel 24:9 David did the census for God and repented to God that he had sinned.
II Samuel 24:12 God offered King David to choose from 3 punishments. Choose one so I can punish you. So, David chose the one that God murdered 70,000 of his people.
1 Chronicles 21:1-8 Satan rose up against Israel and incited David to take a census of Israel.
Who? What? Satan ordered a census. Satan in 1 Chronicles 21:1-8 gave King David the same exact order that God gave him in II Sam 24:1. 1 Chronicles 21:1-8 first introduces the character named Satan. Did you know that Satan is credited for doing the exact same thing that God did. Using your “critical mind” do you dare ask if Satan and God the same character?
I Chronicles 21:8-14 Then David said to God: I have sinned. I beg that You to take away this guilt. God said: I give you 3 options. Choose one for Me to carry out against you. David chose and 70,000 Israelites fell dead.
Relax. A healthy critical mind may conclude that God and Satan are one and the same.
II Chronicles 13:13-18 God waged a war between Judah and Israel. God gave Judah the victory and 500,000 were killed that day.
God had His tribe of Judah fight and murdered 500,000 of His own chosen Israelites.
Believers of the Bible, Is insanity contagious? It seems evident.
I Kings
1 Kings 4:29 God gave Solomon wisdom.
Ok. Granted and agreed! That hurt no one. But what did Solomon do with the Biblical God’s gift of wisdom?
1. Solomon laid 700 wives and 300 concubines.
It may take exceptional wisdom to be able to get laid that much.
2. Solomon became the richest man on Earth.
But God condemned this happening for a King in the Torah.
3. Solomon ended up serving other gods.
I personally view that because Solomon ended up serving other gods, Solomon`s wisdom proved to be valid.
I Kings 18-4 Jezebel was killing all of God’s profits.
I Kings 18:36 Elijah went near the alter and said: Lord, you are the God of Abraham, Isaac and Israel (Jacob). Prove that you are the God of Israel and that I am your servant. A fire from God burned the Sacrifice. The people all cried The Lord is God. God then had His prophet, Elijah, murder 450 prophets of Baal.
I Kings 20: 36 God prophet said to his companion: Because you have not obeyed the word of God as soon as you leave me a lion will kill you. After the prophet moved away a lion killed the companion.
God caused a lion to kill His prophet’s companion.
II Kings 2:23-24 Little children mocked Elisha. They said: Go up bald head. Go up bald head. God had two she bears tear 42 of the children to pieces.
II Kings 19:35 God’s (Death) Angel murdered 185,000 Assyrians.
Are your feelings become numb due to all of your favorite God’s murdering?
Ezekiel
Overall, from God’s murderous flood onward, Ezekiel best fits the documented Bible C&V behavior, character and personality of the insane Biblical God / the murderous One God of Abraham.
Ezekiel 5:10 God said: Fathers shall eat sons; sons shall eat fathers.
Ezekiel 5:11-15 God said: I will rob you of your children. I have jealousy, anger and fury.
Ezekiel 5:13 God said: I will vent my fury upon them and satisfy myself. They shall know that I am God.
Ezekiel chapter 5 describes the evil, insane Biblical God as well as can be imagined.
Ezekiel 9:4-10 God said: Slay old, young, maidens, little children and women. Wipe them out.
Ezekiel 9:6-7 God said: Do not show pity or spare anyone. Slaughter old men, young men and girls, the women and children. Fill the courts with the slain. Go!
Ezekiel 25:11 God said: I, God, inflict punishments.
Ezekiel 18:3-4 God said: All souls (KJV) lives (Catholic) are Mine. All sinners shall die.
Ezekiel 20:25 God said: I gave them bad statutes and ordinances so that they could not live.
Ezekiel 20:26-33 God: I let them sacrifice their first-born. I smell children passing through fire that I might fill them with horror, so they know I am God.
God said what? I let them sacrifice their first-born so that I can smell children passing through fire?
Ezekiel 20:33 God: I claim the first fruits of your offerings. As a pleasing odor, I accept you.
Ezekiel 21:8-36 God: I pour out My wrath on you. I hand you over. You shall be fuel for the fire.
Ezekiel 21:31-32 I will blow on you the fire of my hatred. You will be the fuel to the fire. For I, God, have said so.
If you and this described God do exist for eternity, would you like to grovel and serve Him for eternity?
Ezekiel 23:25 God said: I will let loose My jealousy against you, they will cut off your nose and your ears. Your sons and daughters shall be devoured by the fire.
Ezekiel 23:47 God said: Hack them to pieces and slay their sons and daughters. Catholic
Ezekiel 25 God: Know I am God when I wreak My vengeance. Daughters shall be slaughtered.
Ezekiel 25:17 God said: Know I am God when I wreak My vengeance.
Ezekiel 28 God: I will bring against you enemies that will murder you. I God inflict punishments.
Ezekiel 29 God said: I gave Egypt to him (Moses) so that they will know that I am God.
Ezekiel 30 God: They shall know that I am God when I set fire to Egypt and break all who help her.
Ezekiel 30:8 God said: They shall know that I am God when I set fire to Egypt and crush all who help her.
Ezekiel 30:9 God said: My command to terrify unsuspecting Ethiopia is coming. I shall put an end of Egypt.
More C&V evidence that the “holy” Bible is a terrorist handbook.
Hosea 1:2 God commanded Hosea, His prophet, to marry a prostitute.
Hosea 13:16 God said: Dash to pieces the little ones, rip open expectant mothers.
To pregnant believers, how do you feel about this Bible C&V?
Isaiah 14:21 God said: Prepare to slaughter his children for the iniquity of their fathers.
Malachi 1:3 God said: I loved Jacob, but I hated Esau. Catholic
Romans 9:13 It is written Jacob have I loved but Esau I have hated.
Malachi 2:2-3 God said: I will corrupt your seed and spread dung (shit) upon your faces.
Nice talk, God.
Malachi 3:16-19 God said: The day is coming, all the proud evildoers will be set on fire, murdered.
Acts 5:1-10 God / Peter murdered Ananias and Sapphira for not giving all their money.
Oh my Gawd! What insanity!
Luke 19:27 Jesus Christ said: And, as for Mine enemies, would NOT have Me be King over them, bring them before Me and SLAY them.
Revelation 2:23 The Son of Man (Jesus Christ) said: “I will KILL her children”.
What evil would Jesus Christ have to have said before you would consider Jesus to be evil? Is this the Jesus Christ that you worship, adore, obey, praise, promote, support and finance? If so, why?
II Chronicles 14:9-13 Zerah the Ethiopian came out with 1 million men and 300 chariots. Asa cried for God to help. God murdered the 1,000,000 Ethiopians.
There is no Bible C&V evidence that Satan murdered any of these people, is there?
Job 2:3 God said to Satan: You enticed / moved / tempted Me to ruin Job without cause.
Here in Job 2:3 God confessed, C&V, that Satan successfully enticed / moved / tempted God based on different versions of the Bible. If God was successfully enticed, moved or tempted, why does God send us all into Hell’s Eternal-Torment for being successfully enticed, moved or tempted by Satan.
Psalm 135:10 God smote mighty nations and slew mighty Kings.
Psalm 137:9 God inspired: Happy is he that takes and dashes your little ones against the stones.
Jeremiah 48:10 God said: Cursed be he who holds back his sword from blood.
Jeremiah 51 God said: With you, my weapon of war, I will murder man, wife, old and young.
Isaiah 10:5-6 God said: Doom to Assyria. I command: Strip them clean, rob them blind, push their faces in the mud and leave them.
Isaiah 14:21-22 God said: Prepare slaughter for his children for the guilt of their fathers.
Isaiah 49:26 God said: They shall drink their own flesh and drink their own blood until they are drunk.
Hosea 13:16 God said: Dash Little ones to pieces and rip expectant mothers open.
Romans 9:13 God said: I loved Jacob but hated Esau.
Malachi 1:2 God said: I have loved Jacob, but I Have hated Esau.
Malachi 2:3 God said: I will corrupt your seed and spread dung (shit) upon your faces.
God is such a sweet-talker.
Malachi 4:1-2 God said: The day is coming, all the proud arrogant, self-righteous, haughty evildoers will be set on fire, murdered.
Donald Trump is not a Christian nor a true believer in God, so he is not worried.
Acts 5:1-11 God and / or Peter murdered Ananias and Sapphira for not giving all their money.
Zephania 1:4-6 God ordered: Murder any man or woman who worships the Sun or Moon.
Other than 2 C&Vs, did you see Satan in God’s Evil Deeds? If you did, you put him there.
Praising the Biblical God for being good is like praising a rapist for wearing a condom.
Luke 19:27 Jesus Christ said: My enemies, who would not have Me be King over them, bring them before Me & slay them.
The Son of Man / Jesus Christ said: “I will kill her children”.
John 3:16 (God confessed) God sacrificed His only Son, Jesus Christ.
Insane Christian: Thank-ya Jez-zus for suffering and dying for me!
Christians, do you believe-in the “Biblical God’s Creation”? God created “inter-parasitical survival” in that every life-form painfully kills and consumes other life-forms. Under God’s creation, for something to live – things must die. For something to live well – more things must die. As for the Biblical God’s creative result – over 99% of all species that ever existed on planet Earth are now extinct. That is the result of your Biblical God’s creation. Could evil have created a more fearful and painful existence for animals? Plus, Jesus and God would have non-believing Human Beings endure Eternal-Torment. That is your Biblical God.
The Biblical God had one main theme throughout the Old Testament: If you do not obey Me – I will kill you.
Those Old Testament Israelites had no Satan, Afterlife, Salvation, Heaven or Hell. Their God did it all.
The Biblical God is documented to be the most miserable, frustrated, hateful, jealous, discriminatory and murderous character in the entire Bible.
The ignorance of one preacher threatens us all.
“The God Murders” website put the Biblical God on trial by evidence of Bible C&V.
Michelangelo’s Creation of Adam
The background shape behind God looks like a Human Brain
Michelangelo’s Creation of Adam. Ever notice the background behind God looks like a Human Brain?
If so, Michelangelo had to be super genius to suggest that God is all in one’s mind.
How many gods are there? There are almost one for each ego. If so, ego and god are synonymous.
Dramatic TV Fiction
Jeremiah (Luke Perry) addresses God after billions die of a plague
Jeremiah
Jeremiah: “Are You happy? Are You satisfied now? I mean, that’s the way it works, isn’t it? You set us up. You take some of us, give us hope, and take it away again. What did any of us ever, ever do to you? What did the whole world do to You – that we deserve all this? I mean, come on, the locust and the death of the first-born wasn’t good enough for You anymore so now it’s the death of the eldest – the death of heroes? You know what? We are not going to just lay down and die down here. You want to finish the job? Come on down here and do it Yourself. Because if You send Your Angel of Death, You had better give him one hell-of-a big sword – because we are going to kick his ass all the way back to the great white throne. And then, we are coming for You. We’re coming for You.” Finis
Gary DeVaney: I personally view that I am well beyond just being an Atheist. I know Bible C&V, what the Biblical God (fictional or not) has done to Humanity and the other life-forms on Earth. As a Reserve Army officer and a Humanist, I put Human Beings first and I personally tend to want to protect all Human Beings. I personally do not like the Biblical God / Character – fictional or not – or the disgusting “might makes right” model – that the Biblical God has established throughout the recorded history of mankind. In this scenario of fiction, “Jeremiah” (Luke Perry) surprisingly well defines my views and feelings toward the fictitious God Character of the Bible. I remain baffled as to how clergy and believers, who know the C&V deeds of the Biblical God, continue to worship, support, promote and finance such a heinous, evil, murderous character – again, fictional or not.
Who do you know would demand to see “The God Murders” website?
Trust is like a pencil eraser. The more mistakes you erase the smaller it gets.
The Biblical God Is Evil
(Do You Define Your God by These Deeds?)
I, the Lord, make peace and I create evil.
God repented of the evil He thought to do to His people.
God brings upon you all evil things.
God sent an evil spirit.
God sent Saul an evil spirit.
God said: I will raise up evil against you out of your own house.
God brought upon them all this evil.
God will bring evil upon the house of Jeroboam.
God has spoken evil concerning you.
Behold, this evil is of the LORD.
I God am bringing such evil upon Jerusalem and Judah.
God said: Behold, I will bring evil upon this place.
God said: I will bring evil upon this place and the inhabitants.
God said: I will bring evil from the north, and a great destruction.
God said: Hear and behold, I will bring evil upon this people.
God said: I will bring evil upon them.
God said: For, lo, I begin to bring evil.
God will bring evil upon Judah and all Jerusalem.
God said: I will bring evil upon all flesh.
God said: I will bring evil upon them in my fierce anger.
Out of the mouth of God proceeds not evil and good?
They showed Job sympathy for all the evil that God brought him.
Did not our God bring all this evil upon us, and upon this city?
Evil came down from God.
God said: Against this family do I devise an evil.
God said: I am planning an evil against this race.
Shall there be evil in a city; the Lord hath not done it?
God said: I may repent of the evil, which I purpose to do.
If you claim that the Biblical God is in control, you know who is to blame for all the evil.
Thomas Paine: “Belief in a cruel God makes a cruel man.”
God’s Lies & Deception
God said: I will be a lying spirit in the mouth of his prophets.
The Lord has put a lying spirit in the mouth of thy prophets.
Oh Lord, you have deceived me, and I was deceived.
God sends a strong delusion to make them believe what is false.
God killed / drowned all but 8 Human Beings and a boat-load of animals.
God destroyed the cities of Sodom and Gomorrah.
God killed Lot’s wife, mother of 2 virgins, by turning her into a pillar of salt.
God killed Onan who refused to knock-up his sister-in-law.
God killed by hail every man that was outdoors.
God claimed to make the dumb or deaf, the seeing or blind.
God killed all of Egypt’s firstborn.
God drowned the Egyptian army.
God directed how to sell your daughter.
God wants all killed who curse their father & mother.
God condoned the killing of slaves.
God directed to kill witches.
God ordered to murder any who sacrificed to another God.
God wants the first-born of your sons.
God wants the first-born of animals sacrificed to Him.
God said: Obey Me, do what I say, I will hate and murder your enemies.
God ordered: Who dares to work on the Sabbath day shall be murdered.
God had Moses to slay 3,000 of their own relatives.
God murdered two of Aaron’s sons by fire.
Bare your heads or tear your clothes and God will murder you.
Anyone unclean defiling Gods dwelling, God will murder.
God ordered: Anyone who curses his father or mother shall be put to death.
God commands: If you commit adultery, you shall be put to death.
If a man has sex with his father’s wife, he shall be put to death.
God ordered: If a man has sex with his daughter-in-law, murder them both.
God commands to murder gay men.
God commanded: If a man marries a woman and her mother, murder all 3.
God commanded: If a man has sex with an animal, murder both of them.
God commanded: Murder women who have sex with animals.
God commanded: If a man or woman acts as a fortuneteller, murder them.
God ordered: A priest’s daughter who fornicates – burn her to death.
God said: Anyone with a handicap shall not profane God’s sanctuary.
God commands: Obey my rules or I will murder you.
God ordered an Israelite who blasphemed God’s name murdered.
God ordered the whole community murder a man.
God said: I brought the Israelites out of Egypt, and they are My slaves.
Slaves, male and female you may indeed possess.
God said: If you disobey Me, I will make you eat your sons and daughters.
God said: I will have them eat their sons and daughters.
God said: Fathers shall eat sons and sons shall eat fathers.
God said: Murder any stranger who comes near God’s dwelling.
God documented: I murdered all the first-born in Egypt. I am God.
God claimed whom He would murder if they looked at sacred objects.
God can’t stand sick, suffering people.
The people complained, so God murdered many of them.
God made them eat meat until they died.
God said: I will murder all who saw what I did in Egypt but who still don’t obey Me.
God saved people from Egypt and later murdered those who did not believe.
God told Moses: You, and all out of Egypt over 20, shall die in the desert.
God murdered men who gave a bad report about The Promised Land.
Caleb and Joshua were the only 2 God spared of 600,000 infantry. Catholic
God ordered to murder a man found gathering sticks on The Sabbath.
250 Israelite leaders disobeyed Moses. God burned them all alive.
Israelites complained against Moses. God murdered 14,700.
God ordered: Any layman coming near the alter will deserve murder.
God sent poisonous snakes against His people. They were bitten and died.
God said: I command the serpent and he shall bite them.
God ordered Moses to kill all the King’s people and to take their land.
God said: I would have murdered you – but I would have spared your ass.
God stopped killing after murdering 24,000 more of His chosen.
God ordered Moses: Treat the Midianites as enemies. Crush them.
God murdered all males, mothers and babies and kept the 32,000 virgins.
God made the Israelites wander 40 years in the desert til they all died.
God: Drive them out or I will do to you what I thought to do to them.
38 years later, God had murdered the whole generation of soldiers.
God: Begin murdering. Provoke war. I will make all nations fear you.
God destroyed all men, women, and little ones. God left no survivor.
God delivered Og and we killed all the men, women and children of 60 cities.
Moses said: God is angry. I will die, & not make it to The Promised Land.
God commanded: If you make a statue or image, you will be destroyed.
Without pity, murder all the people who God delivers to you.
God will send hornets to destroy your enemies.
God said to kill nations little by little.
Like nations God destroys, you shall be murdered, if you do not obey God.
God, a consuming fire, will subdue them so that you can murder them quickly.
God said: You shall destroy / murder places God chooses.
If brother, son, daughter, wife, friend entices you to other gods – kill them.
If a city serves other Gods – murder the city.
God ordered: Murder any man or woman who worships the Sun / Moon.
God said: At an execution, the witnesses kill first and then all join in.
God said: Any who do not listen to God’s priests / Judges shall be murdered.
God said: The cities I give you, you must murder them all.
God ordered: If a father has a stubborn, rebellious son, murder the son.
God ordered: If the tokens of virginity be not found in a girl, murder her.
God ordered: If a man has sex with a married woman, murder them both.
God commanded: If a man has sex with a betrothed virgin, murder them.
God ordered: If a man rapes a virgin he must marry, never divorce her.
God will defeat every enterprise you undertake until you are destroyed.
God will make disease attach to you until you are murdered.
God shall murder you by consumption, inflammation, fever, burning, sword.
God will make your land powder and dust until you die.
God will cause your enemies to murder you.
God said: They will eat your animals and crops until you are destroyed.
You will eat your own sons and daughters for food.
God said: The most delicate woman will eat her afterbirth and her infant.
God said: I will make my arrows drunk with blood.
They didn’t obey God to murder all men, women, children. God destroyed them.
God ordered Joshua’s army to slaughtered men, women and children.
A’chan took war-spoils. God burned A’chan and his children.
God told Joshua to murder the city of A’I, to take its spoils, livestock as booty.
God said to Joshua: When you have taken the city, set it on fire.
God murders, by ambush, all 12,000 men and women and hanged their King.
God slew cities. Victims fled, God cast down great stones from Heaven.
Joshua ordered God make the Sun to stand still to finish God’s killing.
5 kings remained alive Prisoners Of War. God’s Joshua killed the POWs.
Joshua and God slaughtered the cities leaving no survivors.
God hardened the hearts people God wanted murdered for their land.
Joshua captured and murdered over 30 countries and their Kings.
God boasted: Then I, God, sent Moses and Aaron and murdered Egypt.
God said: I gave you land that you did not till and cities you did not build.
God slew 10,000 people and cut off Adonibek’s thumbs and big toes.
Shamgar (God’s savior) slew 600 Philistines.
God murdered 120,000 men that drew sword.
Abimelech, God’s chosen, murdered his 70 brothers.
The anger of God was hot against Israel and God sold Israel out.
God had Jephthah kill 20 cities and his 13-year-old daughter sacrificed.
Israelites offended God. God sold-out the Israelites to Philistines for 40 years.
God had Samson born and he became a weapon to murder the Philistines.
God inspired Samson to murder 30 men for their tunics to pay off his debt.
God released Samson’s hands to murder 1,000 men.
Samson killed men and women bringing down the temple and died himself.
God had His Israelites attacked Laish, a quiet and trusting people.
Israelites asked God: Should I again war with my brother? God said yes.
The 2nd time, God had the Benjamites kill another 18,000 Israelites.
Israelites offered sacrifice. God said: Attack. I will deliver them to you.
On the 3rd day, the Israelites killed 25,100 Benjamites.
Israelites murdered Benjamite cities. They destroyed, by fire, all their cities.
God ordered 12,000 soldiers to murder women and children.
Except for 400 virgins, God murdered all the Benjamite women.
God kills and makes alive. God makes the rich and the poor.
God’s priests had sexual relations with women. God put them to death.
God had the enemy Philistines murder about 4,000 Israelites.
God killed 30,000 more of His Israelites and His 2 bad priests.
God slaughtered 70 men who looked into The Arc of God. KJV
God slaughtered 50,070 men who looked into The Arc of God. Catholic
God said: Smite Amalek, utterly destroy men, women, babies and suckling.
King Saul killed all of them but spared King Agag.
God’s prophet said: Saul, murder them. Why have you disobeyed God?
Samuel said to Saul: You rejected God’s command to murder them all.
Samuel cut King Agag to pieces. God regretted having made Saul King.
God’s chosen David murdered and circumcised 200 Philistines.
God said: Attack the Philistines! I will deliver them to you.
Uzzah guided the tipping Arc of God. God murdered Uzzah.
God told David: I have murdered your enemies before you.
David knocked-up Uriah’s wife, Bathsheba and ordered Uriah murdered.
David shall not die. God, instead, murdered David’s & Bathsheba’s baby.
God told David to choose of 3 punishments. God murdered 70,000 Israelites.
God used a destroying Angel to murder 70,000 men.
God Murdered 500,000 of His own chosen Israelites.
God had His prophet, Elijah, murder 450 prophets of Baal.
God caused a lion to kill His prophet’s companion.
God had two she bears tear 42 of the children to pieces.
God kills and God makes alive.
God sent lions to kill people who did not know how to sacrifice to God.
God’s (Death) Angel murdered 185,000 Assyrians.
God said to Satan: You enticed / moved / tempted Me to ruin Job without cause.
To test Job, God permitted Satan to murder Job’s 7 children and 3 servants.
These were the only Human Beings that Satan is documented to have murdered.
God, who smote great nations and slew mighty Kings.
God inspired: Happy is he that takes and dashes your little ones against the stones.
God said: Make ready to slaughter his sons for the guilt of their fathers.
God said: Cursed be he who holds back his sword from blood.
God said: Slaughter and doom them. Do all that I commanded you.
God said: With you, My weapon of war, I will murder man, wife, old and young.
God said: Fathers shall eat sons; sons shall eat fathers.
God said: I will rob you of your children. I have jealousy, anger and fury.
God said: Slay old & young, maids, little children & women. Wipe them out.
God said: All souls / lives are Mine. All sinners shall die.
God: I gave them statutes & ordinances that were not good so they could not live.
God: I let them sacrifice their first-born. I smelled children passing through fire.
In sacrifice, the fragrance of the burning fat is God’s.
God: I claim the first fruits of your offerings. As a pleasing odor, I accept you.
God: I pour out My wrath on you. I hand you over. You shall be fuel for the fire.
God said: My jealousy is against you. They will cut off your nose and your ears.
God said: Hack them to pieces and slay their sons & daughters.
God: Know I am God when I wreak My vengeance. Daughters shall be slaughtered.
God: I will bring against you enemies that will murder you. I, God, inflict punishments.
God said: I gave Egypt to him (Moses) so they will know I am God.
God: They shall know that I am God when I set fire to Egypt and break all who help her.
God: My command to terrify unsuspecting Ethiopia is coming. I shall put an end of Egypt.
God said: You shall have flesh to eat and blood to drink until you are drunk.
God said: The little ones, dash to pieces. Expectant mothers, rip open.
God said: I loved Jacob but hated Esau.
It is written: Jacob have I loved but Esau have I hated.
God said: I will corrupt your seed and spread dung (shit) upon your faces.
God: The day is coming all the proud evildoers will be set on fire / murdered.
God and / or Peter murdered Ananias & Sapphira for not giving all their money.
Praising the Biblical God for being good is like praising a rapist for wearing a condom.
Jesus Christ said: And as for Mine enemies, who would not have Me be King over them, bring them before Me & slay them.
The Son of Man / Jesus Christ said: “I will kill her children”.
Christians, if you believe-in and support “The Biblical God’s Creation”, you approve of, believe in and promote the Biblical God’s creation of inter-parasitical survival. All of God’s lifeforms painfully kill and consume other life forms. Under this “One God of Abraham’s” creation, for something to live, things must die. For something to live well, more things must die.
As for the Biblical God’s creative result – over 99% of all species that ever existed on planet Earth are now extinct. That is the fruit of your Biblical God’s creation. Could evil have created a more fearful and painful existence for animals? Plus, your God would have non-believing Human Beings endure Eternal-Torment. That is your Biblical God.
The Biblical God had one main theme throughout the Old Testament: If you do not obey Me – I will kill you. Those Old Testament Israelites had no afterlife (dust to dust), Satan, Heaven or Hell. Their God did it all.
The Biblical God is documented to be the most miserable, frustrated, hateful, jealous, discriminatory and murderous racist in the entire Bible.
The ignorance of one preacher threatens us all.
“The God Murders” website “thegodmurders.com” put the Biblical God “The One God of Abraham on trial by Bible C&V evidence.
Jeremiah
A TV Series First Aired: 3-29-02 Seen 11-9-2010
By Gary DeVaney
Did you ever notice that the background of God’s image appears to be A Human Brain?
Dramatic TV Fiction: Jeremiah (Luke Perry) verbally addresses God after billions of Human Beings died of a plague:
Jeremiah: “Are You happy? Are You satisfied now? I mean, that’s the way it works, isn’t it? You set us up. You take some of us, give us hope, and take it away again. What did any of us ever do to You? What did the whole world do to You, that we deserve all this? I mean, come on, the locust and the death of the first-born wasn’t good enough for You anymore so now it’s the death of the eldest – the death of heroes? You know what? We are not going to just lay down and die down here. You want to finish the job? Come on down here and do it Yourself. Because if You send Your Angel of Death, You had better give him one hell-of-a big sword, because we are going to kick his ass all the way back to the great white throne. And then, we are coming for You. We’re coming for You.”
Finis
Gary DeVaney: I personally view that I am well beyond just being an Atheist. I know the controversial Bible C&Vs, what the Biblical God, fictitious or not, has done to Humanity and the other lifeforms on Earth. As a retired ARNG / USAR Army officer & a Humanist, I put Human Beings first and tend to want to safeguard all Human Beings. I personally do not like the Biblical God / Character – fictional or not – or the disgusting “might makes right” model that the Biblical God has established throughout the recorded history of mankind. In this scenario of fiction, “Jeremiah” (Luke Perry) surprisingly well defines my views and feelings toward the fictitious God Character of the Bible. I remain baffled as to how clergy and believers, who know the murderous C&V deeds of the Biblical God, continue to worship, support, promote and finance such a heinous, evil and murderous character – again, fictional or not. Who do you know would demand to see “The God Murders” website?
The Judeo-Christian God’s Biblical Heroes are some of the most evil, immoral, murdering, stealing, incest-oriented and lying characters in all of literature. These facts are of value only to those who are honestly interested in truth / facts and morality. Behold the deeds of the Biblical God’s Old Testament heroes. Do you want them to be your children’s models of virtue? The first defense against lies is to open your eyes. The greatest defense against lies is to not pass them on. You can not defeat what you defend. If evil should be the absence of good, these God-chosen characters are evil.
Abraham
Genesis 12:12-19 Abraham told his wife / half-sister Sarah to lie. As a result Pharaoh said: Why did you say she is my sister so that I took her for my wife? Catholic.
Sarah?
Abraham, God’s hero, tells his wife / half-sister Sarah to lie.
Unlike the KJV, the Catholic version states that the Pharaoh said: I took her for my wife. Marriage, to be legal, required consummation by sex. Did Pharaoh have sex with Sarah? Idealistic believers would automatically insist no.
Under Hebrew law, a marriage is not a marriage and a wife is not legally a wife unless the union is consummated by sex. Oh, what to believe! Did Pharaoh have sex with Sarah? Again, Pharaoh said: I took her for my wife. What would a fundamentalist say?
Genesis 13:2 Now, Abram was rich in livestock, silver and gold.
Was Abraham our first pimp? Did old, “Honest Abe” gain this wealth by being a con-man and a pimp for his wife, Sarah? Do you think Abraham and Sarah would ever try this pimp-agenda again? It was profitable.
Genesis 16:1-10 Sarah gave to Abraham Hagar, her handmaid, for sex and children. Abraham had intercourse with Hagar who conceived Abraham’s son, Ishmael.
So Abraham, the old swinger, had sex with Sarah’s servant, Hagar an Egyptian, with Sarah’s consent? Maybe Sarah, the swinger, did have sex with Pharaoh.
Hagar & Sarah
Abraham – By Sarah’s Suggestion – Impregnated Hagar
Pregnant Hagar looked with contempt on her mistress Sarah, so Sarah abused Hagar and Hagar left. An Angel of God said to Hagar: Go back to your mistress and submit yourself to her abusive treatment. Catholic
An Angel
God’s Angel Told Hagar to Go Back to Take Sarah’s Abuse
How can an unchanging / pure / good / fair / just God possibly approve of Sarah’s abuse of Hagar? Is adultery conditional, by consent, in God’s eyes? Did Sarah, the mother of the Judeo-Christian religion abuse Hagar by female circumcision? How could a good / loving / sensitive / moral God send Hagar back for more abuse? Doesn’t God control His messengers / Angels?
Does God also show virtue by condoning Sarah’s assault / abuse of Hagar? Aren’t prisons full of righteous, God-like, Christian wife-abusers and child-beaters? Today, statistically, more women are murdered in the United States of America by domestic violence than by any other single means.
Azizah Y. Al-Hibri Ph.D.; Law professor, Islamic: One commentary says: Sarah was so mad at Hagar because of Abraham’s attention that she decided to mutilate her in some way to make her less interesting. That’s how “female circumcision” started.
Whoa! What? Really? Sarah! That’s despicable! Sarah, are you really the mother of three (3) main religions? Is mutilating a woman’s sex organs part of your Judeo-Christian-Islamic ethic? If so, Sarah, shame on you. Abraham and Hagar created the origin of the Islam religion by having Ishmael. About 2,500 years later, the prophet, Muhammed, started Islam. Muslims believe that Moses and Jesus were prophets, and that Muhammed was the last prophet.
Genesis 18:22 The Lord remained standing before Abraham.
Really? Face to face?
Exodus 33:20 God states: No man sees My face and lives.
Can this possibly qualify as a Bible contradiction?
Genesis 18:25 Abraham asked God about the destruction of Sodom and Gomorra: Far be it from You to do such a thing, to make the innocent die with the guilty? Should not the judge of all the world act with justice?
Nah – God destroys them anyway. Did Abraham question the morality, fairness, and decency of God, and live? Did Abraham attempt to teach God morality like Moses did in Exodus 32:11-14 and Numbers 14:13-20,
Abraham and Moses both questioned God fairness and morality and seeing God lacking, actually tried to make corrections.
In Genesis 20 Abraham and Sarah, again, pass themselves off to King Abimelech as brother and sister. The same, pimp and hook, con-job happens again. The King catches the con-game in time, yet, he pays off Abraham with herds, gold, and land.
King Abimelech pays off Abraham!
Gold Herds Land
Shame on both Abraham and Sarah, the father and mother of the Judeo-Christian religions! Abraham and Hagar, Sarah’s handmade, were also the father and mother of Islam.
Genesis 20:12 Abraham had married his half-sister (Sarah). They had the same father and different mothers.
Incest! Many of God’s main heroes: Abraham, Isaac, Jacob and his 12 tribes / sons, and later, Moses are products of or participated in incest. If the Biblical God was in control and incest was His preferred agenda to produce His heroes, how can God condemn incest in Leviticus? How can incest be illegal today – if God can’t be wrong?
Exodus 6:20. Amram took his father’s sister, Jochebed, to wife and had Aaron, Moses and Miriam. They are products of incest. Abraham and Sarah were half brother and sister (same father / different mothers) so Isaac was a product of incest. At least 8 of Jacob’s 12 sons / tribes were products of incest.
Genesis 21:14 Abraham sent Hagar and Ishmael away.
Does this also indicate that Abraham was a “dead-beat” dad to Ishmael?
Genesis 22:1-12 Abraham was stopped just short of murdering his own son, Isaac because God ordered it.
Catholic Recap: God promises Abraham, age 75, to be the father of nations. When Sarah is 76 she sends Abraham (then 86) in to have sex with Hagar, her Egyptian handmaid. Abraham consents to adultery which produces Ishmael – and about 4,000 years of war in the Middle East. Couldn’t God forsee that? Sarah hears God say that she will have a child and laughs at God’s words. Sarah then lies to God by denying it. Still, when Abraham is 100, God rewards Sarah, 90, for her role in His plan and gives her Isaac (which means laughter) whom Abraham almost sacrifices. After Isaac’s “called-off” sacrifice of Isaac, never again is there any Biblical conversation between Isaac or Sarah and Abraham.
Some parents are horrified by this story of God’s child-abuse. What is a dysfunctional family or a dysfunctional god? The Koran has scenarios whereby Abraham and Ishmael later built monuments together in Mecca.
Genesis 24:35 God gave Abraham male and female slaves.
Isn’t this Chapter and Verse evidence that the “good” Biblical God condones slavery? How can it not be? As long as one Bible exists, this C&V will not go away.
Genesis 25:1-6 After Sarah died, Abraham married Keturah and had 6 more sons. He had some other kids by some concubines.
Abraham, the old stud, died at 175 years of age.
Lot
Abraham’s Nephew
Genesis 19:8 Lot offered his two virgin daughters to a sex-crazed mob.
Genesis 19:26 Lot’s wife looked back, died and turned into a pillar-of-salt
God killed Lot’s wife because she disobeyed.
God Killed Lot’s Wife for Looking Back
Lot left his God-ordained wife, the mother of his 2 virgin daughters, behind without another Biblical mention or thought.
What a model of “Biblical-love” this God’s hero is. Is this what a man’s “Biblical Love” is for his “soul-mate” wife?
So much for the value of: “Marriages are made in Heaven”. Divorce today is well over 50%.
Simply, based on the over 50% divorce statistics, if “Marriages are made in Heaven”, the Biblical God is screwing up half the time.
Genesis 19:30-36 Lot got drunk, had sex with and made both of his daughters pregnant.
What an awesome Biblical model for father-daughter love!
Lot, God’s Hero, Impregnated His Two (2) Daughters
Could this degenerate Biblical hero and model, Lot, have influence and even encouraged righteous, God-fearing fathers, throughout history, to have sex with their innocent, virgin daughters?
“In charge” God had chosen only these 3 people to survive Sodom and Gomorra. God chose Lot, a father who had tried to give his 2 daughters for sex to a mob; a husband who abandoned his wife’s remains, then got drunk, had sex with and knocked-up both of his virgin daughters.
Do you like Lot? Do you like God’s criteria and choice? Do you like the fact that Lot impregnated both of his virgin daughters? Why or why not? Explain your answer to your children.
This is excellent Bible C&V evidence that: “The God of the Bible is not a good God, and the Bible is not a good model for Humanity.
Isaac
Abraham’s Son
Young Isaac?
Genesis 25:20-26 Isaac and Rebekah had twins, Jacob and Esau.
Genesis 25:28 Isaac loved Esau. Rebekah loved Jacob.
This Biblical model indicates that God’s current favorite parents each prefer one of their children over the other. What would happen if you told your children that you follow this Biblical model?
Genesis 26:9-10 Isaac lied to King Abimelech saying Rebekah was his sister, tempting to sacrifice his wife’s having sex (with Abimelech), in fear, to save himself and was caught at it.
Didn’t Isaac also became very wealthy, like Abraham? Did Isaac act as God’s second pimp?
What a Biblical model!
Jacob AKA Israel.
Jacob & Esau
Genesis 25:31-33 Jacob swindled his older brother Esau out of his birthright.
Jacob, God’s hero, the Bible described as a swindler!
Genesis 28:12-17 In a dream, Jacob saw a ladder with God’s Angels ascending and descending on it. He saw God above it Who told him that He was God and He would be with Jacob. Jacob awoke, was afraid and said: Surely, this is the Lord’s place. How dreadful is this place. This is the house of God, the gate of Heaven. KJV
Jacob described God’s place as “dreadful”? What? Ouch!
Obviously, the “Angels” climbing up and down “Jacob’s ladder” had no wings. Why would they climb up and down the ladder if they had wings? If they had wings, the Bible would have described them with wings in this story.
Genesis 28:22 Jacob vowed to God 10% back of what he gets from God.
Ah, here is the second example of paying 10% “tithes”?
Genesis 14:18 A priest, Melchizedek, (A type of Christ: Catholic) blessed Abraham. Abraham gave Melchizedek 10% of what he had.
Genesis 29:13-14 Laban ran out to meet Jacob saying: You are indeed my flesh and blood.
Aren’t Jacob’s sexual unions with his uncle Laban’s daughters more inbreeding and Biblical incest, as it was with Abraham and Sarah, Lot and his daughters and later in Exodus 6:20, Moses’ father & mother?
Aren’t many of God’s Biblical heroes, so far, products of incest? Again, based on this consistent Biblical model, why is incest illegal?
Mankind has judged “incest” to be wrong and illegal. Because all these God-chosen heroes practiced incest, mankind has judged God’s values to be wrong and illegal.
“Incest / Inbreeding”
Genesis 30:39-43 Jacob cheats his uncle Laban (the father of his 2 or 4 wives) by herd selective-breeding techniques and becomes a wealthy man.
By examples of the Biblical God’s heroes, could swindling, lying and cheating be God’s “divine guidance” for His believers? Typically, defense attorneys rehearse their clients as to what spin and lies they will present in court.
The Torah-notes suggested that Jacob’s 4 wives were all at least half-sisters, Laban being the father of all 4 girls. Laban was Rebekah’s brother, which makes him also Jacob’s uncle. Wouldn’t that make Jacob’s 2 wives and 2 concubines also his 4 cousins? By these 4 blood-related women, Jacob had 12 sons, who became the Biblical God’s 12 tribes of Israel. Weren’t they a stock of incest? Most of them certainly were. Actually, Jacob’s son and God’s hero, Joseph, was not one of the 12 tribes of Israel. Joseph’s sons Ephram and Manasseh, birthed by an Egyptian mother, were 2 of the 12 tribes of Israel. The Bible is often confusing.
Genesis 30:22-24 Rachel bore Jacob’s son, Joseph.
(Joseph goes on later to control Egypt.)
Genesis 32:24-29 Jacob wrestled a man… KJV
The Catholic version states that Jacob wrestled a MAN 5 times.
Some claim that Jacob wrestled an Angel. Some also claim that Jacob wrestled God, Himself, in this scenario. If Jacob wrestled God, that certainly reduces the “awesomeness” and strength of God.
Genesis 34: Schechem raped Jacob’s daughter and then wanted to marry her. Jacob said ok but that all of Schechem’s men had to be circumcised. Then, Jacob revenged the rape of his daughter by murdering all of Schechem’s men and stole all of their wealth, flocks, women and children.
It’s probable that the Angel / God Jacob wrestled did not fight fair and “It” hurt Jacob’s privates.
Moses
Exodus 2:12 Moses murdered an Egyptian and hid his body.
Ah, a candidate for God! Moses already proves to be a “perfect” hero just like his “perfect” God
Exodus 4:10 Moses tells God he can’t represent Him because he is “slow of speech”.
Moses, God’s “perfect” choice to speak for Him and to represent Him, has a speech impediment.
Moses is a Product of Incest
Exodus 6:20 Amram took Jochebed his father’s sister for his wife. She bore him Aaron and Moses (and Miriam). KJV
Moses kept his Arms up to part the Sea
Now, this is shocking! Moses, God’s incest-born hero, is credited to have written the Torah / Pentateuch / the first 5 books of the Bible.
If Moses wrote Leviticus, then Moses did not “honor his father and mother” when he exposed their sin of incest. The Biblical God commanded against and forbid this specific sexual union.
Leviticus 18:12 God commanded: You shall not have sex with your father’s sister. Torah / Catholic / KJV
Did you know that God’s hero, Moses, was also a product of incest? If you had sex with your father’s sister – that is incest. Incest, again, produced God’s “perfect” choice of a “perfect” hero. How can God’s guidance of incest dare to be illegal in the United States today?
If God does not change and if God did condemn Moses’ father – aunt incest, why did God select Moses as God’s favored hero?
Were you ever taught in Sunday School or during a church service that Moses, another of God’s chosen leaders and models, was also a product of incest? Who would have “thunk” it?
Actually, Miriam, Moses’ and Aaron’s sister is not listed as being born in Exodus 6:20. Rabbis claim that women were considered irrelevant and equivalent to chattel.
Elizabeth Cady Stanton: “The Bible and the Church have been the greatest stumbling blocks in the way of women’s emancipation.
Exodus 11:4 God murdered all the first-born Egyptian babies …
An academic question:
Did God do all the evil things to Egypt or did Moses? No Satan nor Devil has been mentioned, so, it had to be either our favorite Biblical God or just our inventive and creative conman, Moses.
Not initially included here was “and God killed all of Egypt’s first-born animals” so not to dilute the impact of God murdering all of Egypt’s first-born, human babies. What did each of those first-born human babies or those first-born animals do to deserve the Biblical God’s murdering them?
Exodus 8:18-19 So that you may know that I am God right here on Earth I will make this distinction between My people and your people. Catholic. In the KJV: Exodus 8:22-23
Note: God is inflicting all these plagues and doing all this murdering just to let everybody know who is God around here – and – God does discriminate.
Exodus 24:6-8 Moses spills blood on altars and people…
Some of God’s “perfect” heroes worship their “perfect” God in a gross and bloody manner.
Exodus 31:18 God gave Moses two tablets of stone written by the finger of God.
The 10 Commandments were finger-written by God Himself
Exodus 32:1-5 (Meanwhile): The Israeli people asked Aaron to make a God for them. Aaron replied: Have your wives, sons and daughters take off their gold earrings and bring them to me. Aaron accepted their offerings, made them into a golden-calf, and an altar.
Exodus 32:7-14 (God goes ballistic again and said): Now Moses, don’t try to stop Me when I unleash My wrath to destroy them. (Disobeying God) Moses began to plead (to make God stop): Egypt will say You took us out with evil intention, to kill us in the country, to wipe us off the face of the Earth. (God), withdraw Your anger and refrain from doing evil to Your people. Moses made God refrain from doing the evil He planned for His people.
Wow! God ordered Moses not to stop God. Moses disobeys God – and lives. And God obeys Moses! Confusing, isn’t it?
Ah – God will get even with Moses later.
Exodus 32:19 Moses, who just calmed down angry God, became so angry himself, that he threw down and destroyed God’s finger-written sacred tablets and they broke into pieces.
Exodus 32:27-28 Moses Levi ordered all the sons of Levi to slay their own family, friends and neighbors; Moses murdered about 3,000 of their own relatives, God’s Own chosen.
Moses, with God’s consent, murders about 3,000 of his own “God-chosen” people.
Numbers 11:11-15 Moses said to God: Why are You treating me so badly? Don’t You like me anymore? Why do You place such a burden on me? Was I the woman who was pregnant with this nation in my belly? Did I give birth to them? Where can I get enough meat to give all these people? I can’t be responsible for this entire nation. It’s too hard for me. If You are going to do this to me, do me a favor and kill me.
Moses asked God to kill him?
Moses whines, bitches and gripes at God and lives! God must prove to have favorites – as long as they serve Him – on His terms.
Numbers 16:28 Moses claims that he does the Lord’s work; not his own.
Hummm. “Don’t judge me – I was just following orders.” Could this be the beginning of a future trend? What a perfect Biblical model! The 2nd WW Nuremberg war-crime trials were full of this excuse.
Contrary to Christian propaganda, Adolf Hitler was a Christian (Catholic). Hitler often invoked God in his speeches to the German sheeple.
Joseph Stalin once attended a religious seminary. Maybe the nonsense of the seminary made Stalin an Atheist.
If you can get the masses to worship a false authority (God), an “assumed authority” (like Adolf Hitler or George W. Bush or Donald J. Trump) can easily step in. Believers are programmed and are just waiting “for a sign” to zealously serve some “assumed authority”. Governments love it! Businesses and organizations, who want to make profits or want to be served, support it.
Numbers 21:33-35 God ordered Moses to do to King Og as he had done to others. Moses struck down the King’s sons and all his people until none were left and took possession of his land.
God gave His “chosen people” nothing. God ordered Moses to murder all the landowners, their wives and their children so to steal their land.
In Numbers 25:11-17 Phinehas, by murdering Kazbi (Cozbi) and Zimri, turned God’s jealous wrath away from the Israelites. God then ordered Moses to murder the Midianites.
Moses Ordered: Murder the Midianites
Back in Genesis 25, Abraham married Keturah and she had 6 sons. One son was named Midian. God ordered Moses to attack and kill Midianites – Abraham’s offspring. More scriptural confusion.
Numbers 31:14-18 Moses was angry at the Generals and Captains of the army and asked: Why have you kept all these women alive? Now, kill every male-child as well as every woman who has had sex with a man. But the young girls who have not had sex with a man, you may keep alive for yourselves. God’s army killed every male child and the soldiers. They took 32,000 girls who were still virgins for themselves.
Moses is a documented mass-murderer of women and children! In your value system, how do you like Moses? Are you afraid to judge God’s chosen heroes?
Deuteronomy 2:34 Moses led more mass murdering of women and children.
Bart Floyd, a friend, said: It doesn’t seem like I’m reading the Holy Bible. How could God or Moses do this? It seems more like I’m reading an Encyclopedia of mass-murders.
That is an astute and bold observation, Sir Bart Floyd.
Deuteronomy 3:2-7 (Moses said): God delivered Og and we murdered 60 cities of men, women and children until none remained. We took all the livestock and booty for ourselves.
Moses is an evil, crazy man – and his God is even more insane. “Thou shalt not kill” is certainly not holding up. Whatcha think? The Bible makes it seem righteously justified for Moses to kill all those women and children so to steal the land that God promised His “chosen”.
Deuteronomy: 32:48-52 God said: Moses, go up the mountain, look at the land I give to the children of Israel, that you wandered 40 years to get to. God said: Moses, you can’t have it. Moses died.
God’s promises prove to be totally conditional and not fulfilling. Neither Moses, Aaron, Miriam and none of the people over 20-years-old, who came out of Egypt, got the promised land – except Joshua and Caleb. God had killed 2-3 million of His Own “chosen people”.
Deuteronomy 34:10 Since then, no prophet has risen in Israel like Moses, whom the Lord knew face to face. He had no equal in the signs and wonders the Lord sent him to perform.
Did Moses Get A Murderous Free Ride?
Did Moses Keep Commandment # 6? No! Moses Murdered Thousands.
Moses is a documented mass-murderer of men, women and children to fulfill the Biblical God’s personal agenda to steal and occupy their land. Moses’ “perfect / loving / never-changing” God ordered all the mass-murdering and the theft of the land.
Do not dare say that Satan did it. The Bible’s C&Vs provide no evidence of that.
Is this your perfect, never-changing “God of Love”? It’s a yes or no question. If yes, maybe you too should be elected President of the United States so that the mass-murdering for “special interests” could be continued. Who could stop you?
The current US Presidents wants you to be zealously religious so that they, the assumed authority of your country, will also get a “free-murderous-ride” – just as you give a “free-murderous-ride” to your “perfect” God.
Joshua
Blow the Horn’s
Joshua 2:1 Joshua sends two spies into Jericho to lodge with a harlot, Rahab.
Rahab the Harlot turned traitor on her own people and her city by making a deal with Joshua and the Israelites to save herself and her family.
Wasn’t Rahab the Harlot guilty of treason to her country and all her people who died?
A “harlot” sells sex. Rahab was a harlot / sex worker / prostitute / hooker / whore.
After the slaughter of every man, woman and child, save Rahab and her family, Rahab married Salmon, an Israelite, and ended up in Jesus Christ’s “sacred” bloodline and lineage.
Note: Rahab was NOT a Jew / Hebrew / Israelite. Yet, Rahab the Harlot is in King David’s and Jesus Christ’s “sacred” bloodline. God had murdered many for marrying outside the “sacred” bloodline.
Joshua 6:20-21 Joshua attacks Jericho and slaughters all the men, women, babies and animals.
Joshua on the March Joshua fought the Battle of Jericho
Joshua 7:19-25 Joshua said to A’chan: My son, give God honor by telling me what you have done. Don’t hide it from me. A’chan, an Israeli warrior confessed. All Israel stoned and burned A’chan, his innocent children and all their animals.
Joshua 8:1-2 God tells Joshua to go murder the city of A’i, to do to it’s King what they did to Jericho and its King, except you may take its spoils and livestock as booty.
Joshua 8:8 God said to Joshua: When you have taken the city, set it on fire in obedience to God’s command. These are My orders to you.
Joshua 8:24-29 (By ambush, Joshua) God murders all 12,000 men and women, the entire population of A’i and gave the Israelites their cattle and spoils. Joshua hanged their King.
Joshua 10:12-13 Joshua ordered God to stop still the Sun and Moon so he could finish murdering.
God did.
Who is the boss around here, anyway? Like Moses, God, again, obeyed the orders of Joshua, a mere man.
The “clay / man”, again, successfully bosses the “Potter / God”.
Joshua 10:20-26 Joshua said: Put your foot on the necks of the five Kings and murder them.
Joshua 11:6-9 God ordered and Joshua hamstrung horses.
God ordered & Joshua hamstrung horses.
Joshua 11:10-15 Joshua captured Hazor and slew its King with the sword. He put every person to the sword until none were left alive and burned Hazor. Joshua captured all those Kings with their cities and he fulfilled (God’s) doom by putting every person there to the sword. The Israelites took all the spoils and livestock of these cities as their booty, but the people, they put to the sword, until they had exterminated the last of them, leaving none alive. Joshua left nothing undone that God commanded Moses should be done.
Joshua and Caleb were the only two leaders that God allowed to enter “The Promised Land”. That means the other 2-3 million of “God’s Chosen” had to die.
God fulfilled His promise of “The Promised Land” to Joshua and Caleb.
God failed to fulfill His promise of “The Promised Land” to 2-3 million others of His sacred “chosen”. What a great God this was! Who wants to: Make God Great Again?
Spiritual: For most believers, what they define as “spiritual” is their desire to experience an alternative, hopeful reality, focusing on anything other than their unfulfilled, here and now, reality. Drugs, for many believers on drugs, amount to a spiritual experience. Booze, drugs and religion are vehicles for people who emotionally want to be someplace else. Believers use religion, drugs and booze as an escape from reality. Of course: Denial is automatic.
Did you ever notice that in history books, God is never a contributing character in historical scenarios? Man has often used God in his persuasion, motivation, and excuses for his own behavior, for his good fortune or bad luck. Religions and other supernatural voodoos are the prime vehicles for any God manifestations.
Jephthah
Shirley Temple: There was once a 13-year-old little girl who cried because her daddy had to go to war. She cried: My daddy has to go away but he’ll return most any day; any moment I may see my daddy coming back to me. For months she cried daily: Oh daddy, wherever you are, I’m thinking of you and I know you’re thinking of me!
Shirley Temple
Judges 11:1 Jephthah was born of a hooker.
Ah, another prime candidate to be one of God’s Biblical heroes.
Judges 11:30-39 Jephthah vowed to God: Give me victory and I will give to You, by burnt offering, whatever comes first through my door. Jephthah murdered 20 cities for God. (Always in control) God apparently arranged for Jephthah’s daughter, his only child, to come first through his door, who was happy to see her father. Jephthah gave his little girl two months to “mourn her virginity” because she couldn’t bear children before she had to die. He then sacrificed his only child, a virgin daughter by burnt offering to your Biblical God, as was the custom in Israel. KJV
Jephthah Sacrificed – By Burnt Offering To God – His Daughter.
What a prime Biblical model of this insane God and His insane followers. How insane are you or will you be for this God?
Judges 12:6-7 Jephthah murdered 42,000 Ephraimites and judged Israel for 6 years.
Weren’t the Ephraimites Joseph’s tribe? In law, the elements of crime are means, motive and opportunity. It’s intent and action. The law is civilized man’s attempt to model safety and decency. Can you compliment this God on any decency or fair treatment based on His deeds? Is there any Biblical, chapter and verse, evidence? Can you produce it? Please do so and make history.
Where in the Bible did the Biblical God do something good for someone without hurting another?
Believers tend to run from this material due to a fear of God (fear of death or loss) that over comes them. Courage is having the capacity to face what you fear. Believers cannot learn for they have little courage concerning change or facing facts. Believers don’t expect to debate the Bible. They tend to preach it. They don’t even expect to argue its content. They expect obedience and feel-good cooperation to their own egos.
Samson
Judges 14:6-9 Without weapons, Samson tore a lion to pieces. Later, he ate honey from the lion’s dead carcass.
Oh puke!
Judges 13:24 The woman (Hannah) bore Samson and God blessed him.
Judges 14:1-4 Samson wanted a Philistine wife, outside of his religion, to give his God an opportunity to murder them (the Philistines).
Judges 14:11-20 Samson bet 30 men 30 tunics to solve a riddle. The spirit of God came upon Samson and he murdered 30 men so to steal their clothes so to pay off a gambling debt. Samson’s wife, who had just married him, made him lose the bet; then, she proceeded to marry Samson’s best man.
The spirit of God did what? Samson bet 30 men 30 tunics that they could not answer his riddle. He told his future wife the answer to his riddle. She told the men and Samson lost the bet. The spirit of God came upon Samson and he went to the city and murdered 30 men and stole their tunics so to pay off his debt. Do you get the impact of this story.
Again, the spirit of God had Samson murder 30 innocent men and steal their tunics to pay off a debt. Pretend that I redundantly pointed this out 10 or 20 more times. I can’t be more angry with this insane, evil God or His stupid, murderous Samson.
Judges 15:4-5 Samson caught 300 foxes, tied their tails together, set them afire and they burned the countryside.
Nice touch Samson! You have to be every demented kid’s hero.
Judges 15:8 Samson inflicted a great slaughter on his wife’s people.
Judges 15:16-17 God released Samson who found a jawbone of an ass and killed 1,000 men. Samson said: With the jawbone of an ass, I have slain a thousand men.
What a hero!
Samson Killed 1,000 Men with the Jaw-Bone of an Ass
Judges 16:1 Samson had sex with a harlot.
This confirms it. Samson is definitely God’s kind of guy.
Judges 16:10&13 Samson lied to Delilah.
This confirms by Bible C&V documentation that Samson, God’s hero, is also a liar. By Bible evidence, God has consistent preferences.
Judges 16:20-31 Samson realized God had left him. The Philistines gouged his eyes out. Samson killed more men and women bringing down the temple than he had killed during his entire lifetime and died himself. Samson judged Israel for 20 years.
This is evidence that the Biblical God leaves His heroes to have their eyes gouged out – and worse.
Samson was and led the life of a “Nazarite” = ‘separated unto Yahweh’.
Unlike other judges, Samson’s career did not end successfully.
Killing a thousand Philistines with the jawbone of an ass and bringing down the Temple of Dagon, crushing himself and many Philistines to death, did not result in victory or peace for Israel. Rather, the Philistines defeated the Israelites under Samson’s successor, Eli, and captured the Ark of Yahweh on the battlefield. (I Samuel 4:10)
Didn’t Samson, Like Jesus Christ, Commit Suicide?
King Saul
1 Samuel: Saul, a Benjamite, was Israel’s first King. Saul was a most handsome man, standing head and shoulders above other men, and was highly favored by the Lord. (Dogma has David being the handsome one.) But, once Saul began to reign, Jehovah begins to despise him.
God continually tormented Saul by sending “Evil Spirits” to trouble him. David drives away God’s “Evil Spirits” by playing his harp.
How can something NOT “Evil” send Evil? To send Evil, God must be Evil.
Later, David (supposedly) kills Goliath for Saul.
David Killed Goliath
I Samuel 10:1-9 Samuel told Saul: God appoints you to govern God’s people, Israel. God will change you into another man. God gave Saul another heart.
What do you think “God gave Saul another heart” means? God changed Saul to be what God wanted Saul to be? What if Saul doesn’t please God? Would it mean or prove that God was not so smart, powerful or in control – that God’s “change” didn’t take.
I Samuel 11:6-7 God caused Saul to become angry. Saul cut some oxen to pieces and said: If anyone does not follow Saul, the same will be done to his oxen.
God’s chosen Saul kills the animals of those who didn’t obey Saul.
I Samuel 12:18 All the people dreaded God and Samuel. Catholic
This is evidence that people dreaded the Biblical God.
I Samuel 14:36 Saul said: Let’s pursue the Philistines to kill them all.
I Samuel 14:42 Saul said: Cast lots between me and my son Jonathan.
What? God’s chosen Saul ordered gambling? Oh sin!
Ancient Gambling Dice To Cast Lots
I Samuel 14:47 After becoming King of Israel, Saul waged war on all their surrounding enemies.
I Samuel 14:52 When Saul saw any strong or brave man, he took him into his service.
This sounds like the old US draft / conscription.
I Samuel 15:3 God ordered Saul to not spare them; to go murder men, women, children and infants…
I Samuel 15:7-8 Saul murdered people.
I Samuel 15:8-9 Saul killed all the rest of the people; but Saul spared King Agag, alive.
I Samuel 15:11 God said: I regret having made Saul King. He has not kept My command to murder them all…
God admits here that He, not the people, made Saul King. This also proves that God’s “changing Saul’s heart” failed. This God fails at everything He tries to do. Human Beings suffer as a consequence. What a God!
I Samuel 15:18-19 Samuel, Gods prophet, said: Saul, go exterminate them. Why have you disobeyed the Lord?
I Samuel 15:22 Saul asked: Does God delight in holocaust and sacrifice as in obedience to the command of God?
It appears that the Biblical God does delight in holocaust and sacrifice.
I Samuel 15:23-28 Samuel said: Because you have rejected the command of God, He has rejected you as ruler. Saul asked to be forgiven. Samuel said that God has torn the Kingdom of Israel from you and has given it to a neighbor of yours who is better than you.
This means to have David anointed King. God changed His mind. Who said God never changes? This is evidence that this “in control” “know it all” God often fails at what He attempts, and God does change His mind.
The reason God wanted Saul out was because God commanded Saul to murder all the Amalekites. Because Saul spared King Agag’s life, Saul had to be eliminated.
God’s Prophet Samuelcut King Agag to Pieces
I Samuel 15:32-33 The Prophet Samuel cut King Agag to pieces before God.
I Samuel 15:35 God regretted having made Saul King of Israel.
This is hard evidence that God regrets His actions and that He decisions are imperfect and fallible.
I Samuel 18:7-11 The women sang: Saul has slain his thousands; David his ten thousands. Saul was jealous of David. An Evil Spirit from God came upon Saul and he tried to nail David to the wall with a spear. David got away.
An “Evil Spirit” came from Whom? God has to be evil to send evil. Can you spin how it could be otherwise?
I Samuel 18:20-21 Saul used his daughter as a bribe to get David to kill for him. Saul wanted the Philistines to kill David.
I Samuel 18:25-27 David is given a task to deliver 100 Philistine (penis) foreskins for a dowry. David murders 200 Philistines, circumcises their corpses to win Saul’s daughter, Michal.
Bart Floyd: This is crazy. How can anybody believe or come to terms with this stuff? (Bart is a Marine veteran.)
I Samuel 19:1 Saul discussed his intention to murder David.
I Samuel 19:15 Saul said: Bring him up to me in bed that I may kill him.
I Samuel 22:17-19 Saul commanded: Kill the priests of the Lord and 85 priests were killed that day. Saul murdered the city of Nob including men, women, infants and animals.
Saul murdered 85 of God’s priests. Then Saul murdered women and infants? Maybe God did change Saul’s heart and does control him. Whatcha think?
I Samuel 25:43 Saul gave David’s wife to another man.
This sounds a lot like the Samson story, doesn’t it?
I Samuel 28:3-18 The Prophet Samuel dies. Saul drove out the mediums and fortune tellers from the land; then, Saul consulted God who refused to answer. So, Saul consulted The Witch of Endor. She conjured up old, dead Samuel, who was cranky. Samuel said God was angry because Saul didn’t destroy Amalek and God will destroy Saul by using the Philistines.
I Chronicles 10:13-14 Saul broke God’s law by consulting a medium.
Can one tell the difference between a prophet, a psychic, clergy and a medium?
So Who is Who?
I Samuel 31 Saul was hit in the abdomen with an arrow. He ordered his armor-bearer to finish him off. He refused so Saul fell on his own sword. His armor-bearer did likewise and died with him. The Philistines cut off Saul’s head and cremated him.
A manipulator’s intention, when telling you to “have faith”, is to terminate your capacity to question – or to think for yourself – or to obey – and to change your life more to his or her liking. When someone tells you to “have faith” – they are telling you to “shut up and obey”. I usually stand up, look them squarely in the eye and inform them that: “I obey enforceable criminal and civil law. Outside of that, I don’t do obedience.”
Many view that these Bible C&V investigative results and their commentary to be brutally honest. Some feel too honest. If anyone can prove that any portion of these works is in definite factual error, in context to the over-all Biblical depiction, inform us.
Embarrassment will be felt and it will definitely be corrected. But, it has to be based on Biblical evidence not hear-say bias, unrelated material or a feel-good agenda to protect God just because He is God. Considering all the Biblical contradictions makes for the toughest debates.
People primarily support the Biblical God simply because it was sold to them that He was the authority in charge of Biblical events and people. Maybe it’s time to reconsider the facts and determine that He wasn’t in control. The religious are authority worshippers.
The Biblical God was constantly ineffective in holding His people together. As a Commander-in-Chief, the Biblical God lost so many battles and so many wars that He Himself often turned on His Own people. The Biblical God failed in almost everything He attempted to do. That is the reality. Outside of a believer’s fear of death and “Eternal-Damnation”, which Jesus Christ introduced in The New Testament, why would any thinking person waste time and respect on an entity with such a poor and evil track record concerning all God’s “supposed” creations on Earth?
King David
Was God’s David a Good Guy?
I Samuel 17:48-51 David slays the giant, Goliath of Gath, and cuts off his head. KJV
II Samuel 21:19 El-Hanan killed Goliath of Gath. Catholic
The Catholic version states this which is questionable and confusing.
I Samuel 18:7 The women sang: Saul has slain his thousands and David his ten thousands.
If you believe this to be true, do you view that God’s David became a mass-murderer?
I Samuel 18:27 David murdered 200 Philistines and circumcised their corpses, all for the hand of one of Saul’s daughters, Michal.
I Samuel 20:5-6 David told his friend, Jonathan, to lie.
I Samuel 21:2-3 David lied to a priest.
David, again, fits the mold of one of the Biblical God’s heroes as David is documented to be a liar who also tells others to lie. As long as even one Bible still exists on Planet Earth, these C&Vs will not go away.
I Samuel 21:11-14 David fled from Saul to King Achish. David was afraid of him, feigned insanity and acted like a madman, drooling on his beard.
David Fled From Saul
I Samuel 24:22-23 Saul said to David: Swear to me, by God, that you will not destroy my descendants. David gave Saul his oath.
David has already proven to be a liar, so Saul, you and I should not believe him.
II Samuel 21:1-9 (After swearing “By God” not to) David gave up 7 of Saul’s descendants to be dismembered (murdered) before God.
David, a man after God’s Own heart, after swearing to Saul, by God, broke his “sacred” promise. David, like God, will definitely keep his promises – unless he doesn’t.
I Samuel 25:2-34 David said: As God lives, who has restrained me, if you (Abigail) had not come down, so quickly, to meet me; by dawn, Nabal (her husband) would not have had a single man or boy left alive.
David would have killed everybody just because he felt insulted. What a “God-like” ego!
I Samuel 25:39-43 (God killed Nabal) David married Abigail, Nabal’s wife, and also took Ahinoam for his wife. But Saul gave David’s wife, Michal, Saul’s daughter, to another man.
King Saul Gave David’s Wife, Michal, to Another Man?
I Samuel 27:1-12 David said that he had no choice but to escape from Saul to the land of the Philistines. With 600 men he went over to Achish, the son of the Philistine King. David lived with the Philistines for 1 year, 4 months. He attacked cities and left NO men, women or children alive as was his custom when he lived in the country of the Philistines. Achish trusted David, thinking he must be detested by his people, Israel.
David attacked cities and left NO men, women or children alive – and committed unprovoked mass murders? David IS truly one of God’s “Thou Shalt NOT Kill” heroes.
I Samuel 29:6-10 King Achish informs David that he is honest (a traitor to Israel). David begs to stay and fight for them, but they didn’t trust him, so David had to go away.
I Samuel 30:6 David’s own men spoke of stoning (murdering) him.
Wow! What a popular hero and leader David was NOT among his own troops!
II Samuel 1:1-16 An Amalekite man reported to David that he saw King Saul leaning on his spear and that Saul begged him to finish him off. David ordered that man murdered.
II Samuel 2:4 The men of Judah anointed David King.
King David
II Samuel 2:8 Ishbaal, son of Saul, was made King over the rest of Israel.
Hummm. Saul obviously worshipped Baal to name one of his sons after Baal. So did David name one of his sons after Baal. Hypocrisy!!!
II Samuel 3:1 There followed a long war between The House of Saul and David with David winning.
Isn’t David killing brother “God chosen” Israelites? What a Biblical model of virtue for the American Civil War!
II Samuel 4:8-12 Two brothers brought the head of Ishbaal, David’s enemy, to David. David had them murdered, cut off their hands and feet and hung them by the pool.
II Samuel 5:4-5 David was 30 years old when he became King and reigned for 40 years; 33 years in Jerusalem over all Israel.
II Samuel 5:8 David said: The lame and the blind shall be the personal enemies of David and shall never enter the palace. Catholic
WHAT did this “sociopath” just say? God had not wanted infirm people near His temple either. Are these truly your models of compassion, decency, good and virtue?
II Samuel 5:13 David took more concubines and wives – more kids were born to him.
Concubines?
Oh yes! David is definitely God’s man.
II Samuel 5:17-20 The Philistines searched for David. He asked God if he should attack them. God said: Attack! I will deliver them to you, and David defeated them.
II Samuel 6:14 David, girt with a linen apron, danced before God with wild abandon.
II Samuel 6:20 David exposed himself to the slave girls.
Do you think David was ever sued by one of those girls?
II Samuel 7:9 God told David: I have been with you wherever you went and have destroyed your enemies before you.
II Samuel 7:22 David “brown-noses” God: You are great; there is none like you and no God but you…
II Samuel 8:1 David conquers the Philistines.
II Samuel 8:4 David hamstrung horses.
What? Doesn’t anybody have any conscience here? Doing this “loving” God’s work is so disgusting.
II Samuel 8:5 David slew 22,000.
II Samuel 8:13 David became famous for slaying 18,000 Edomites.
II Samuel 10:18 David’s men killed 700 charioteers and 40,000 Arabian foot soldiers.
II Samuel 11:2-5 David made pregnant Uriah’s wife, Bathsheba.
Isn’t that committing adultery?
II Samuel 11:14-17 David ordered Uriah, one of his officers, to be killed in battle so that David could have his wife, Bathsheba.
King David Had Uriah Killed In Battle
David knocks-up Bathsheba. Bathsheba was married to Uriah. Uriah was one of David’s officers. David had her husband Uriah killed in battle so that he could have Bathsheba.
Do you really like David? Why? Why not? How do you feel about David’s God?
Let it sink in: David either committed adultery or raped Bathsheba. Then, David murdered Bathsheba’s husband, Uriah. Uriah was one of David’s officers. Then David makes Bathsheba his 8th wife.
The Law of Moses required that David be stoned according to Deuteronomy 22:22.
But God did not murder David. God murdered David & Bathsheba’s 7-day old child instead. The “One God of Abraham” is a sadist. God wanted the parents to bond so to feel pain and heartache before He murdered the little guy.
II Samuel 11:26-27 David displeased the Lord.
This conflicts with:
I Samuel 25:28 David fights the battles of God and Evil has NOT been found in him in all his days.
Maybe “Evil” is “The Biblical God’s Pleasure”.
II Samuel 12:9 David despised the word of the Lord and did Evil in His sight. KJV
Wow! Isn’t that’s quite the testimony for one of God’s favorite Biblical heroes? And, isn’t this C&V yet another contradiction with 1st Samuel 25:28?
lI Samuel 12:11-12 God said: I will bring Evil upon you out of your own house. I will make your neighbor have sex with your wives in the presence of all Israel in broad daylight.
God has to BE “Evil” to bring “Evil” upon someone. Did this C&V just document that the Biblical God both caused adultery and also created smut voyeurism? Did God give rise to porn? In the ancient Israelite belief, God did it all. Christians spin the Satan myth to take the heat off the Biblical God because God is such an evil, heinous Character. The Judeo-Christian-Islamic believer wants this God worshiped. Do you? And don’t forget: “God needs money!”
II Samuel 12:13-18 Nathan, the prophet, told King David that God, on His part, had forgiven David’s sin, that he shall not die but the child born to him must surely die and the child did die.
Ezekiel 18:20 The son shall not bear the sins of the father…
Let’s focus: Was this little guy allowed to live for 7 days, so that parent / child emotional bonding could take place? Then, did God murder the little child just to punish the parents? God is such a great evil. Concerning Earth’s lifeforms, the Biblical God does not know right from wrong. Insanity is not knowing right from wrong. Do you dare to honestly answer these questions?
II Samuel 12:24 David had sex with Bathsheba again. Bathsheba bore Solomon.
The Biblical God is totally kinky. God murders David’s & Bathsheba’s first nameless child to punish them. Then, God gives David and Bathsheba an awesome, “sacred” reward by having (God’s next hero) King Solomon born unto them.
II Samuel 20:3 David locked away 10 concubines until their deaths.
These 10 concubines willingly and intentionally did nothing to deserve such a horrible fate. But then, what decency and fairness would you expect from God’s heroes?
II Samuel 21:6-9 David took 7 descendants of Saul and gave them up so they were dismembered before God.
Remember in 1st Samuel 24: 22-23 Saul said to David, “Swear to me, by God, that you will not destroy my descendants.”
Redundantly, didn’t David give to Saul his oath? Wasn’t that sacred oath to God? David lied, broke his word and his oath to God. Doesn’t this God and His King David both prove to be despicable liars? Do you support David? Why? Do you support this Judeo-Christian ethic, this sick Biblical model?
II Samuel 24:1 God was angry with Israel and told David to number Israel.
NEWS-FLASH! Remember: Angry GOD told David to number Israel right here according to II Samuel 24:1.
I Chronicles 21:1 And SATAN stood up against Israel, and provoked David to number Israel. KJV
NEWS-FLASH II: SATAN provoked David to number Israel right here as documented in 1st Chronicles 21:1.
Isn’t it ironic that in the 13th book of the Holy Bible, “Satan” is introduced in 1st Chronicles 21:1. In Satan’s first by-name introduction, the Bible claims that Satan is doing the exact same deed that God, Himself, took credit for in II Samuel 24:1. Based on this “sacred” introduction to a character called “Satan”, a logical person must question: “Is God and Satan the same Character?” Either they Both are the same Character, or the Bible lied by documenting that both God and Satan ordered King David to do a census.
II Samuel 24:10 David regretted having numbered the people.
Why? God ordered David to number the people in II Samuel 24:1.
II Samuel 24:15 God punished David by creating a plague that murdered 70,000 of his own Israelites.
Why again? God ordered David to number the people in II Sam 24:1, did He not? Again, did the Bible later lie that Satan ordered the census in 1st Chronicles 21:1?
II Samuel 24:25 David built an altar to offer holocaust / sacrifices to God as peace offerings.
God stopped His murdering after 70,000 died.
David Made a Peace Offering to God.
God sent His “Death-Angel” to murder 70,000 innocent “God Chosen” Israelites after David obeyed God’s order to number the Israelites in II Samuel 24:1. What a God! What a Bible! What insanity!
How The Biblical God Viewed His David
I Samuel 25:28 David fights the battles of God and evil has NOT been found in him in all his days.
Evil has not been found in David in all his days.
This has to be one of God’s believer’s greater conflicts. After knowing all the heinous, murderous deeds David did, with and without his God, can you explain it away?
II Samuel 19:27 My Lord the King (David) is an Angel of God.
David is an Angel of God? Wow!
Acts 13:22 God said: This was David, a man after My Own heart which shall fulfill all My will.
David was a man after God’s Own heart!
David shall fulfill all God’s will!
I Kings 15:5 David did that which “was right in the eyes of God.”
So, let’s review:
David killing his ten thousand was right as David shall fulfill God’s will!
David murdering 200 Philistines and circumcised their corpses was right in the eyes of God.
David lying and telling another to lie is alright as evil has not been found in David in all his days.
David, after swearing by GOD to Saul he would not, gave up 7 of Saul’s descendants to be dismembered (murdered / torn-apart / sliced to pieces) before God which was right in the eyes of God.
David would have killed everybody at a private function just because he wasn’t invited. David felt insulted and this was right as David shall fulfill God’s will!
David attacked cities and left no men, women or children alive as evil has not been found in David in all his days.
David’s killing brother “God Chosen” Israelites was right in the eyes of God.
David murdered men, cut off their hands and feet and hung them by the pool which was right as David shall fulfill God’s will!
The lame and the blind shall be the personal enemies of David, an Angel of God.
David hamstrung horses which was right in the eyes of God.
David slew 22,000 as which was right as David shall fulfill God’s will!
David became famous for slaying 18,000 Edomites which was right in the eyes of God.
David’s men killed 700 charioteers and 40,000 Arabian foot soldiers as David was an Angel of God.
David exposed himself to the slave girls which was right in the eyes of God.
David took more concubines and wives which was right in the eyes of God.
David displeased the Lord as David was an Angel of God.
David despised the word of the Lord and did Evil in His sight which was right as David shall fulfill God’s will!
Having Bathsheba’s husband, Uriah, killed so David could have her was God’s will as evil has not been found in David in all his days.
God had forgiven David’s sin, that he shall not die but the child born to him must die because Evil has not been found in David in all his days.
Was the new “Satan” character in 1 Chronicles, the 13th book of the Bible, created as an afterthought, a “patsy”? Was Satan character’s job to cover-up from blaming The Biblical God for all His evil deeds? The concept of “A Satan” was first introduced to the Israelites by Zoroastrianism in about 500-400 BC, about the time Chronicles was written. About 500 years later a young Rabbi began preaching about concepts the Jewish priests did not preach. He introduced an afterlife, Heaven and Hell, Eternal Life, Salvation. The Jewish Priests still preached that God did it all. The Jewish Priests had the Romans crucify this new, young Rabbi. His name was Jesus Christ. Jesus plagiarized Zoroastrianism and it became Christianity.
See Zoroastrianism on The God Murders website: thegodmurders.com
Primitive Jews had no more of a concept of Satan than they did of Jesus. To the Old Testament Biblical Hebrews, God did it all.
King Solomon
King Solomon: Allegedly God’s Wisest of Men.
I Kings 2:20-25 Bathsheba, King Solomon’s mother, asked him for Abishag to become Adonijah’s wife. Solomon said: I will not refuse you. Solomon lied to his mother as he had (his brother) Adonijah murdered.
I Kings 2:29 Solomon ordered Joab murdered.
I Kings 3:1 Solomon married the daughter of the Pharaoh, King of Egypt.
I Kings 3:4 Solomon offered 1,000 burnt offerings “holocausts” (sacrifices).
I Kings 3:25 Solomon’s decision was to divide (cut up) the child, equally.
Solomon gambled and won that the real mother would save the child by giving it to the other woman. What if the 2 women had agreed to cutting up the child?
I Kings 8:63 Solomon sacrificed to God 22,000 oxen and 120,000 sheep. KJV
I Kings 9:20 Solomon conscripted all non-Israelites as forced laborers (slaves).
I Kings 10:1-13 The Queen of Sheba was indeed impressed with Solomon’s wisdom. They exchanged gifts and she gave Solomon much Gold.
The black Queen of Sheba carried back to modern day Yemen Solomon’s child.
I Kings 10:23 Solomon surpassed in riches and wisdom all the Kings on Earth.
Remember:
Matthew 19:24 Jesus said: It’s easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than it is for a rich man to enter Heaven?
I Kings 11:3 Solomon had 700 wives and 300 concubines.
Deuteronomy 17:17 An Israelite King is not to take many wives. He must not accumulate large amounts of silver and gold.
Wow! What a stud! Ah, but again, remember God’s words:
Deuteronomy 17:14-18 God said: You may set a King over you that God will choose; one among your brethren not a foreigner. He shall not multiply for himself wives nor gold and silver.
Solomon did not live by the unchanging, omnipotent Biblical God’s rules.
Do you want to know a little-known Bible contradiction?
Ecclesiastes 10:19 Money answers all things…
I Kings 11:4 When Solomon was old, his wives turned his heart to strange Gods. His heart was not entirely with the Lord.
God chose Solomon to be King. Solomon, God’s hero, ended up worshipping and serving other God’s.
Solomon was not a warring King. Do you like Solomon?
I Kings 11:6 Solomon did Evil.
I Kings 11:9-12 God was angry at Solomon. God won’t deprive Solomon, but God will take it out on his son.
What? Here it is, AGAIN! God does punish the son for the sins of the father by Bible C&V. Can you spell Biblical c-o-n-t-r-a-d-i-c-t-i-o-n?
I Kings 11:11 Solomon failed to keep God’s statutes.
Solomon wrote the Book of Ecclesiastes, Proverbs and some other parts of the Bible. Solomon obviously did NOT make Heaven as after God gave him “wisdom”, he ended up serving other gods. Solomon’s wisdom obviously WAS effective – as this God proved to be heinous.
I Kings 11:42 Solomon reigned over all Israel 40 years and died.
God proved to favor Solomon in spite of all his sins. God murdered others for much less offenses. Does this again prove that God plays favorites?
Holman Bible Dictionary: Solomon’s politically-motivated marriages brought many other gods and their worship into Jerusalem: I Kings 11:1-8.
How is Humanity any better off because of what God has done to mankind? Are we better off in this God’s creation of inter-parasitical survival? Every living thing lives off other living things. For something to live, things must die. For something to live well, more things must die. What a “creation” this “God of Love” has provided.
Is the Biblical God “the missing link” in man’s evolution?
Can you hold faith and doubt simultaneously? Can you explain the technique? Do they amount to mere EMOTIONS (“do wants” and “don’t wants”)?
Which does God ask for more – love or obedience? Can you successfully be ordered to love? If you were to describe your love for God, would it come across mostly as fear?
If God didn’t care about His holocaust of the flood where almost everybody in the world died why would He care about 6 million Jews or the 50 million total dead as the result of WWII? Why would God really care if your daughter was hit by a truck, was a suffering cripple for 50 years and then died?
Is God saying: If you like what I like, you are moral. If you don’t like what I like, you are immoral? Want what I want. Don’t want what I don’t want? Love Me. Support Me and My feelings – OR ELSE.
Jeremiah 20:7-8 Jeremiah shouted at God: Why do you treat me like this? You have deceived me.
During a televised debate a religious authority on the panel announced: You know, God talks to me all the time, and ghosts visit me in my bedroom. A complete invisible world is more real to me than intellect and reason.
When faith, ghosts and other fantasies are introduced, has the quality and integrity of the debate digressed or diminished in any manner? Nonsense can never be explained.
Elijah
I Kings 18:22 & 40 Elijah, God’s prophet, slit the throats of 450 Baal prophets.
My Gawd! God’s man Elijah slit the throats of 450 men of another religion? Elijah certainly performs the usual qualification to be God’s man. Would you want Elijah to baby-sit your kids?
II Kings 1:9-12 Elijah ordered God to murder by fire, toast, and instant won-ton 102 soldiers.
Note: Joshua had ordered God to make the Sun stand still so that Joshua could finish all God’s murdering of men, women and children so to steal their land. God takes orders from murderous men, C&V.
II Kings 1:16-17 Elijah told King Ahaziah: Because the King sent messengers to inquire about Beelzebub, he’ll die. He died.
II Kings 2:8 Elijah struck the river Jordan and it divided. Both Elijah and Elisha walked over on dry land. Once there, God sent flaming horses and chariots between them and took Elijah up to Heaven in a whirlwind (without dying).
This “vehicle” could be described to be a type of “flying-saucer” somewhat like the “vehicles” described in the first chapter of the book of Ezekiel.
Elisha
I Kings 2:14 Elisha struck the water, it divided and he crossed over.
Like Moses and Elijah, Elisha parted a body of water. What nonsense.
II Kings 2:23-24 Elisha, (God’s prophet) goes to Bethel. Some little children called him bald-head. Elisha cursed them, in God’s name, and two she bears came out of the woods and tore 42 of the children to pieces. KJV & Catholic
What? Is this pure insanity or what? Are you sure you believe the Bible? Are you sure the Biblical God is a “God of Love”? How do you explain II Kings 2:23-24 to your children?
II Kings 4:32-35 Elisha found a dead child, laid on him, gave him mouth to mouth; the child came to life.
Isn’t this the first Biblical resurrection? Is it supposed to make up for the 42 little children Elisha cursed to death? How miraculous is Jesus’ resurrection if others had already been brought back to life? It somewhat dilutes its importance for some logical minds. It certainly would not impress a realist of it being factual.
II Kings 6:18 Elisha prayed for God to smite people Blind. God did.
II Kings 8:7-15 Elisha (lied) told Hazael to tell Ben-Hadad he will recover. However, God showed Elisha he would in fact die. Elisha said (to God): I know You will dash their little children to pieces and lay open their pregnant women.
There is just no room in these insane and criminal stories for idealism and feel-good. This is NOT a loving God. If you believe these Bible C&Vs, how can you still support this Biblical God? Do you truly love this God? Isn’t the Bible evidence that “monkey-mind” still leads human morality?
Some fundamentalist believers behave as if the Bible should always be taken literally – unless its convenient not to. “I’ve made up my mind; don’t confuse me with the facts.”
Do most religions demonize others just to justify their own agendas?
Gideon
Judges 6:15-16 Gideon said to God: My family is the meanest in Manasseh, and I am the most significant in my father’s house. God said: I (God) will be with you, and you will cut down Midian to the last man. Catholic
Judges 7:25 They carried the heads of Oreb and Zeeb to Gideon…
Judges 8:10 120,000 soldiers fell.
Judges 8:21 Gideon murdered prisoners Zebah and Zalmunna.
Judges 8:30 Gideon had 70 sons for he had many wives.
What a Godly, heroic guy!
Judges 8:24-27 Gideon asked for rings from the booty, made an idol and all of Israel paid idolatrous homage which caused the ruin of Gideon and his family as they did not follow God.
Isn’t this a parallel Bible story to Aaron, Moses’ brother, making the golden-calf idol from earrings?
God’s people, like Gideon and Solomon always seem to abandon God in the end. God obviously does not choose His people well and proves not to be liked for long by most of His followers.
This work has researched and documented a lot of information. It is bound to have made mistakes. I, Gary DeVaney, do not claim this work to be totally accurate, but, I do claim that any mistakes are honest mistakes. As its author / editor, I have no intention to deceive anyone. The Bible contradicts itself in many places so some “errors” may just be based on Its own numerous contradictions. Not all contradictions, by source, are listed. If you find an error please submit your Biblical evidence. Upon verification, it will be corrected. It does have to be chapter and verse to be considered.
Email: gary@gdevaney.com
For the best source of identified Bible errancy and contradictions, get:
The Encyclopedia of Biblical Errancy by C. Dennis McKinsey.
Joab
II Samuel 2:14-16 Abner said to Joab: Let the young men perform for us. Joab replied: All right! 12 of Ishbaal’s Benjamites and 12 of David’s servants squared off. Then each one grasped his opponent’s head and thrust his sword into his opponent’s side and they all fell down together.
Now that what I call insane entertainment. Joab, King David’s General, has this kind of mentality. Oh – my – Gawd!
II Samuel 3:1-37 Joab came back from murdering, bringing much plunder. He asked David: Why did you let Abner go? He was here to deceive you. Without David’s knowledge, Joab sent for Abner, privately took him aside and murdered him, in vengeance (for killing his brother in self-defense.) David declared: Before God, I and my Kingdom are forever innocent. Joab is responsible. May Joab’s family never be without suffering a discharge, or a leper, or of being unmanly, or of falling on the sword or of starving.
II Samuel 11:1 David sent out Joab and the army and they ravaged Ammon.
II Samuel 11 David told Joab to send Uriah in so Uriah can have sex with his wife, Bathsheba, and think the child to be his. Uriah won’t have sex with his wife while his troops suffer in battle. David sends Uriah back into battle with a letter telling Joab to put him in a killing zone so that he will die. Uriah does die.
II Samuel 18 The King commanded Joab and for all to know: Be gentle with young Absalom, my son, for my sake. Absalom’s mule passed under branches which his hair got caught in and he hung there (alive). Someone saw him there and reported it to Joab. Joab asked: Why didn’t you kill him? I would have given you 50 pieces of silver. The man replied to Joab: If I had 1,000 pieces of silver, I would not harm the King’s son as he told you to protect his son for his sake. Joab replied: I will not waste time with you and taking 3 darts in hand thrust for the heart of Absalom still hanging from the tree, alive. Next, 10 of Joab’s men killed Absalom with further blows.
II Samuel 19 David cried for Absalom. Joab said: You have put all your servants to shame today by loving those who hate you.
II Samuel 20:9-10 Joab asked Amasa: How are you my brother? With his right hand Joab held Amasa’s beard as if to kiss him and with his other hand stabbed him so that his guts burst out on the ground.
Isn’t Joab the absolute model for all your sons?
Solomon had Joab murdered. Can you define Judeo-Christian ethics? Which of God’s heroes abided by them?
Jehu
II Kings 9:6-7 God said: I will appoint Jehu King of Israel. You shall destroy the house of Ahab, your master.
II Kings 9:16-24 Jehu drove his chariot to Jezreel where Joram lay ill. Joram sent 2 drivers to Jehu to ask if all is well. Then, he drove to Jehu, himself, and Jehu put an arrow through his heart.
II Kings 9:27 Jehu then chased King Ahaziah of Judah and murdered him too.
II Kings 9:30-37 Jehu ordered 3 eunuchs to throw Jezebel out of a window to the street below. Her blood spilled. Jehu drove over her body, stopped, ate, drank and ordered her buried as she was a King’s daughter. They found only her skull, hands and feet as the dogs ate her in accordance to God’s prophesy. The corps of Jezebel was said to be like dung in the field.
II Kings 10:6-17 Jehu slew Ahab’s descendants; 70 of them were Princes. He put their heads in baskets and piled them in two heaps at the entrance of the city. He then found 42 more relatives and murdered them all. He then slew all that remained of Ahab’s family.
II Kings 10:19-27 Jehu summoned all the Baal prophets, by lying. He proclaimed he would give a great sacrifice to Baal. Jehu also proclaimed that whoever was absent shall not live. They trusted Jehu and came, without exception, into the temple of Baal. Jehu stationed 80 men around the temple with orders: If any one of them gets away, you will pay for it with your life. After offering the sacrifice, Jehu said to the guards: Go in and slay them. They murdered them all, then smashed down the building of Baal into a latrine. Catholic
God’s hero, Jehu, is a liar and a mass murderer for the Biblical God.
King Nebuchadnezzar
Jeremiah 27:6 God said: I now have given all these lands to Nebuchadnezzar, the King of Babylon, – My servant.
Pastor Arnold Murray summarized that: God is in control and used King Nebuchadnezzar, the King of Babylon, to slaughter and capture God’s “chosen” Jews and Jerusalem – to teach them a lesson. This King was an enemy of the Jews, yet King Nebuchadnezzar actually wrote a portion of the Bible.
The Book of Daniel tells of King Nebuchadnezzar. It tells of the King attacking Jerusalem and destroying the Jewish temple and killing most of the Jews. It tells of taking captives back to Babylon including Daniel. It tells of in 539 BC Persian King Cyrus the Great conquered Babylon. It tells of the Persians escorting the Jews back to Jerusalem and assisting in rebuilding the Jewish Temple. It does not tell of the Zoroastrian clergy that followed the Persian Army and shared information with the Jews. They would not allow individuals with non-Persian blood to join their religion. The shared that their religion included an afterlife, Heaven, Hell, Salvation and a Savior. None of these things were preached by the Jewish Priests. A young Rabbi called Jesus Christ plagiarized Zoroastrian. He preached afterlife, Heaven Hell, salvation et al. The Jewish Priests had Him crucified by the Romans. Jesus Christ’s preachings became Christianity. The Jews weren’t interested so an Apostle called Paul filled his churches with gentiles and anybody else who would believe, promote, support and finance the Christian church. Christianity became the biggest religion on Earth. Today 2,604,381,000 Human Beings claim to be Christian. Christianity’s biggest competition is Islam. Muslim members are about 1.8 billion. Jews, Christians and Muslims all worship the same Old Testament One God of Abraham. Jews and Muslims do not believe Jesus Christ is “The Savior”. Muslims believe in Heaven and Hell. Muslims do believe that Jesus Christ was, like Moses, a prophet. They claim that Muhammad, who started Islam in 622 AD, was the last Prophet.
Holman Bible Dictionary: Saul did NOT struggle to eliminate Baalism.
Saul named his son “Eshbaal” (man of Baal). I Chronicles 8:33.
Jonathan had a son, “Merib-baal” (I Chronicles 8:34).
David named a son “Beeliada” (Baal knows I Chronicles 14:7).
Here is certain evidence that “God’s chosen” always kept homage with the god, Baal.
Why do most believers respond adversely, frightfully and painfully to new Biblical C&V knowledge?
Prophets
Hosea 9:7 The prophet is a fool, the man of the spirit is mad…
Micah 3:5 Prophets make My people error…
Lamentations 2:14 Your prophets have seen for you – false, deceptive visions.
I Kings 20:35-36 God caused a prophet to say to his companion: Strike me. The companion refused. God’s prophet said: Since you did not obey the voice of God, when we part a lion will kill you. When they parted a lion killed him.
I Kings 22:19-23 God, after holding counsel with His Angels, permits His prophets to lie and deceive others on His behalf. God put a lying spirit in the mouths of all these prophets of yours and decreed evil against you.
Jeremiah 23:16 God said: Don’t listen to the words of the prophets.
They speak of their own heart and not out of the mouth of God.
Ezekiel 14:9 If a prophet be deceived, I, God, deceived that prophet.
TANACH – The Stone Edition Lists – The 48 Prophets
Genesis 3:6 Eve disobeyed God, ate the forbidden fruit; then gave it to Adam to eat.
Genesis 18:15 Sarah, Abraham’s wife and half-sister lied and went to be a wife to Pharaoh.
Webster’s dictionary: Lie: To utter falsehood with an intention to deceive; to utter falsehoods habitually. To cause an incorrect impression. To present a misleading appearance.
God’s female heroes are not beyond lying as well as the males.
Genesis 31:34-35 Rachel deceived her father.
Judges 4:21 Jael murdered Sisera. She drove a tent-pin through his head with a hammer while he slept.
The Bible is the purest art; wherein, the definitions of good and evil get transposed. Believers who read the Bible and still support it prove to be dyslexic.
Genesis 38:15-27 Tamar prostituted herself and seduced Judah, the father of her late husband.
Tamar sold sex and was in Jesus Christ’s lineage and bloodline.
Joshua 2:8-13 Rahab the Harlot, was a traitor to her people. She was a great, great grandmother of King David and a blood lineage of Jesus Christ.
II Samuel 11 Bathsheba appeared to be a willing adulteress.
Do believers want these “ladies” to become the models of their little girls.
Jesus Christ
Luke 1927: Jesus Christ said: “And, as for those who would not have Me be King over them – bring them before Me and slay them”.
Revelation 2: Jesus Christ, the “Son of Man” said that He would also kill the harlot’s children.
Jesus Christ lost me on account of these 2 Bible Chapters & Verses. GWD
The “Apocrypha” consists of books and stories submitted that did not make it into the Bible. There was a story that Jesus, as a child, was playing on the roof of a house with another little boy. Jesus knocked the other little boy off the roof and the fall killed him. When Jesus came down, the people cried to Jesus “Why did you do that?” Jesus told them to get off His back and then brought the little boy back to life.
Why do believers tend to lie concerning their descriptions of God and the Bible?
The 66 books of the “Canon” Bible were voted on by “The Counsel(s) of Nicaea” roughly between 325 – 400 AD by the same bunch of religious scribes and zealots who maintained that the Earth was flat and the center of the Universe.
“The Counsel(s) of Nicaea”
Doesn’t the Bible prove that “truths” are competed for, voted on and chosen? “Facts” afford no such luxury.
Job 2-3 God said to Satan: Have you (Satan) considered my servant Job, that there is none like him in the earth, a perfect and an upright man, one that fears God, and resists evil? and still he holds fast his integrity, although you (Satan) moved / enticed / tempted Me (God) against him (Job), to destroy him (Job) without cause.
This is Bible C&V evidence that the Biblical God was moved / enticed / tempted (depending which Bible version you use) by Satan.
Isn’t the Biblical God a tyrannical hypocrite to send you into Hell’s Eternal-Torment for being tempted by Satan when God, Himself, is guilty of being successfully tempted / moved / enticed by Satan?
God versus Satan is a symbolic eternal conflict between good and evil. It is the deadly struggle between authority and disobedience. It is the insane contest between God and Satan for the lives / souls of man.
Judaism, Christianity and Islam all worship the same God / Allah – the one God of Abraham. The Christian and Islamic demand: Obey us and our God / Allah and then your soul will be saved to serve God / Allah for eternity. Disobey us and our God / Allah and your soul will be eternally punished in Hell. Christians promote Eternal Torment in Hell. Islam promotes torment in Hell – but the torment is not eternal. Traditional, orthodox Jews do not promote any afterlife / reward / punishment / Heaven or Hell.
Eternal Torment in Hell
Hell’s Eternal Torment
Later Jews, after being indoctrinated by Zoroastrianism (Zoroaster of Iran) during their captivity in Babylon (Iraq) around 586 – 539 BC, somewhat acknowledged a Satan / Devil – but most orthodox, traditional Jews maintain that God does it all.
Zoroaster of Iran
These three religions, Judaism, Christianity and Islam all promise an ultimate “Armageddon” battle leading to the end-time of all Human life.
All Judeo-Christian-Islamic believers claim that God / Allah is the one “Supreme Being” who is in charge. Who will emerge the winner and how will Human Beings pay the price of God’s and Satan’s contest? If the tyrannical God wins, God will torture, for eternity, whoever did not obey His insane demands or did not choose to be His slave.
Islamic Symbol of Allah
For centuries, religions have imposed on believers the constant fear-based threat of “the end times” / “the end of the world”. Jesus returns and harvests / slays all Human Beings. Then, after the millennium / 1000 years, God will judge us all.
The Harvest of Human Beings?
If you are not chosen by God to serve God for eternity on His terms, you will suffer God’s horrible torment for eternity. God, and His worshippers, believers, supporters, promoters and financers, will insist that you alone are responsible for your eternal-pain and torment – not God – and that God is innocent, just, fair and perfect.
And, most of all – as George Carlin reminded us – “God loves you!”
“Apocalypse” / “Revelation” means the unveiling and revealing of hidden truth, the exposing of things kept secret; ergo, God’s horrible, torturous secrets from mankind are revealed.
This means that God has desired to keep hidden His “truth” from His creations. This is supposed to challenge you – to kindle your passion to seek what a fictitious God desires of you so that you will satisfy what your authoritative parents, boss or government demands of you. You are to sacrifice for and loyally serve who you are told is in authority over you – fictitious or not. Does your Government promote religion to get that benefit from its soldiers, servants and peasants? Would your Government order you to kill other human beings or to die for it? It is obvious that the Government also loves you – as long as you serve the Government on its terms.
The Government-Backed Religion Agenda: If the masses can be successfully programmed to worship and serve a false, fictitious authority – then the masses will more easily, successfully and loyally serve an assumed authority – on its terms.
A Concept of Satan
“The God Virus” book page 59
by
Dr. Darrel W. Ray
The God Virus by Dr. Darrel W. Ray
Paraphrased: When the Babylonians captured Jerusalem around 586 BC, they took the Jews back to Babylon (Iraq). During their decades of captivity, the Jews were introduced to and indoctrinated with Zoroastrianism, which then changed Judaism to the religious concept of God and Satan / Good and Evil. Prior to that time in the ancient Jewish dogma, God did it all. As with much of Judaism, the insane religion “borrowed”, adopted and plagiarized the concept of good and evil which evolved into today’s Judeo-Christian-Islamic concepts of God versus Satan.
Note: The first Jewish writings, concerning the battle between God and Satan / Good and Evil, were documented about 200 BC. Of course, the Book of Job is claimed to be ancient and includes the most profound story between God and Satan. Oh, what to believe – as the Bible constantly proves to be controversial and topically inconsistent.
The early writings of the Jewish God claimed that He was a God of love and vengeance. God would punish you if you were sinful and you did not worship God properly. The Biblical God was considered to be the cause of all the evil in the world. People evolved not to like worshipping this one God who brought evil, death, misery and trouble into their lives.
Like the good God idea that they invented and dogmatized, to resolve their emotional conflict, the religion later got the idea to invent or adopt an evil Satan as their good God’s soul-stealing adversary. It was a logical, rational attempt to take the heat off their now re-ordained “perfect” God.
Satan was first described to love God and to be in the service of God. Satan later dared to disobey God. The “all-knowing” God did not destroy Satan. For God’s pleasure, God kept Satan around for a Chess-like competition with human lives and souls at stake.
The US Government has adopted that God model as evident when it orders its soldiers and citizens to kill or die to protect its interests and to fulfill its self-serving agendas.
Throughout their insane, evil competition, as first documented in JOB 2, God maintained authority and control over Satan. God has remained in charge and responsible for any destruction and evil that Satan may have carried out on mankind. The true evil, behind the scenes, is God Himself.
Isaiah 45:7 I, the Lord, make peace and create evil.
Micah: 2:3 God said: I am planning against this race an evil…
God Plans Evil Against a Race?
Is God a Racist?
Satan tempted / moved / enticed / God:
Do you know any Christian who displayed even one second of reflection, compassion or sorrow for Job’s children having to violently die. They died because the Biblical God was successfully tempted / moved / enticed by Satan in Job 2:3. They did a competition, a wager, a bet. Nor do Christians seem to display any concern or pity for those children. Nor do Christians feel or acknowledge the pain that those children’s dying caused poor Job and his wife.
Is it because God did so much murdering throughout the Old Testament – Christians have nothing but numbness for all those who died? How many Christians would be eager to have done some of God’s murdering on God’s behalf?
I personally get a little sick of Christians who prove to have no conscience when it comes to their tyrannical God’s murdering of Human Beings.
Concerning the Christian mind-set, it is no wonder that when we, the USA, killed about 1,623,000 Vietnamese and Cambodians between 1965-1975 and, more recently, President George W. Bush killed and injured about a million Iraqis. US Christians hardly say a word.
Who do you know practices and displays true Christianity?
Malachi 2:2-3 The Biblical God said: I will send a curse upon you. I will curse your blessings. Yes, I have cursed them already. Behold, I will corrupt your seed and spread dung (shit) upon your faces…
Hosea 13:16 Samaria has rebelled against God. They shall fall by the sword, their little ones shall be dashed to pieces, their expectant mothers shall be ripped open.
Lamentations 3:38 Is it not from the most high that good and evil come?
Amos 3:6 Shall there be evil in a city; the Lord hath not done it?
The Bible documents C&V that God creates evil and imperfection. You do believe what is documented C&V in the Bible – don’t you?
God’s cheerleaders / Biblically ignorant believers insist that “evil” Satan spoils “good” God’s perfect world.
Insecure / frightened people wanted hero-models to save them. The Judeo-Christian religions created / invented a fictitious “good” God and later a fictitious “evil” Satan to become slaves to. Believers tend to run their “emotional” (do want – don’t want) lives in the same manner. Believers impose themselves on others to support and assist them concerning their do wants and don’t wants.
To be a believer in this God-Satan insanity, you have to be in agreement with what you believe. I personally do not believe in nor am I in agreement with the Biblical God character – fictitious or not.
Jerusalem is claimed to be God’s holy home on Earth. It is where Abraham was going to sacrifice Isaac. It is where Jesus was crucified and later floated up in the air to Heaven. (Do Christians really believe that?) It is where Mohammad ascended up to Heaven on his horse. (Do Christians believe that?) According to Ezekiel and Revelation, human-soul eternal-afterlife Heaven will be located on planet Earth in Jerusalem.
Eternal-Afterlife?
If Satan is truly an enemy of God and can hurt God, then God is not truly all-powerful nor in control – is He? If you and I truly have “free-will” and we can disobey God and hurt God’s feelings, God is not in control. If God is the same from the Alpha to the Omega and does not change – then God, Himself, proves to have no free-will.
Some believers claim that Satan tries to destroy God’s relationship with mankind. I rationally view that God’s heinous and murderous Biblical C&V deeds against mankind understandably destroys the relationship.
With all the murdering the Biblical God did and ordered others to do in The Old Testament, how can anyone define God as “righteous”? Murderers on death row, had their own self-serving agendas and reasons for being there. Like God, they insanely felt entitled to take the life of another to fulfill their personal agenda.
A virus seeks weakness and vulnerabilities in a host in order to infect it. The only reason a normally rational individual cannot judge the Biblical God is because he or she is infected with “The God Virus”.
The question is the highest form of thought. You cannot think and question what you believe – for if you do question what you believe – you prove not to believe it. It’s a paradox that produces an awesome dumb-down effect.
The Question IS the Highest Form of Thought
For the most part, one cannot cure a virus. One can only hope to outlive it’s sickening and life-stealing effects.
Fortunately, not all of us are susceptible to all viruses. Most of us, who were infected and somehow outlived or overcame “The God Virus”, become immune and rarely get totally infected again.
Reinforced, irrational fear is what keeps “The God Virus” alive, infectious and contagious among the Biblically ignorant, fear-based gullible. Many just use the dogmatic “god-game” to genetically fulfill their predator / animal desires to damage or control the lives of others.
Knowing the controversial C&Vs of the Bible is the greatest Atheist-maker on planet Earth.
Ernest Hemingway: “All thinking men are Atheists.”
Authoritative religionists claim that Satan is at war and in a constant battle with God. Battles produce death and either God cannot or God will not kill Satan. Millions of souls would be saved if God killed Satan – but God does not. God is not beyond killing so what does that mean? That means that God wants Satan alive. That means, as the Bible says, it is all for God’s pleasure.
Revelation 4:11 God created mankind for His Own pleasure then God destroyed (murdered) men, women and their babies when He wasn’t pleased.
God wants Satan battling with God for the souls of mankind. This just, fair and loving God has no problem sending our souls into Eternal Torment if we do not live up to God’s demands concerning God’s and Satan’s insane contest.
Satan successfully tempted Adam and Eve in The Garden of Eden to eat the forbidden fruit. For their disobedience, God punished Adam and Eve and then all Humans Beings who were born since for their sin.
Believers claim that The Garden of Eden is where Satan (the snake) started unleashing his evil and destructive powers on mankind. Satan is not mentioned, by name, until I Chronicles 21:1 – which is the 13th book of the Bible. There, Satan is credited with doing the same deed as God did in II Samuel 24:1. Are Satan and God but heads and tails of the same coin?
God condemns us with sin when we are successfully tempted by Satan to do something – yet the Biblical God, Himself, – was successfully moved / enticed / tempted by Satan in Job 2:3.
Why would an all-knowing, fair, just and loving God send us into Eternal Torment for being tempted by Satan if God, Himself, is documented by Bible C&V to have been successfully tempted / enticed / moved by Satan?
Satan’s form and appearance comes from many religions that the Judeo-Christian-Islamic religions stole (borrowed) and adopted.
Satan’s pitch-fork is from the sea-god, Poseidon’s, trident.
Satan’s red color comes from the evil Egyptian god, Set.
Set
Satan’s horns come from the Greek god, Pan.
Pan
Satan’s horns and the tail come from the Canaanite god, Habayu.
Habayu?
Satan?
Isn’t this evidence that religions and cultures just make it up as they go? If so – is not this evidence a form of “evolution”?
Did God, Himself, come to Earth as Jesus Christ?
Or is Jesus Christ “The Son of God”?
If Jesus Christ is also God and “The Holy Ghost”, did Jesus Christ impregnate His own mother, Mary, to produce Himself?
The Bible claims that “The Holy Ghost” impregnated Mary in Matthew 1:18&20 – does it not? Of course, you would also have to believe in the “Trinity” which claims that God, Jesus Christ and The Holy Ghost are all one and the same.
Did Satan enter into Judas Iscariot so to have Jesus Christ crucified? If so, how could Judas be judged guilty for Christ’s crucifixion?
Did Satan defeat God / Jesus Christ by arranging for the Jews and the Romans to crucify Him?
Did Satan have Jesus tortured and crucified for not bowing down and worshipping Satan in the desert just like God demands that we bow down and properly worship Him? If we don’t properly bow down, worship and praise God, doesn’t God judge us and then send us into Eternal Torment?
If so, which is worse – Satan’s arranging for 12 hours of Jesus’ / God’s torment, crucifixion and death – or – God’s arrangement of billions of souls going into Eternal Torment? Eternity is not a long time – it is eternal / forever. And the horrible, consistent torment is supposed to be real and beyond anything imaginable.
Eternal Torment
Or, if Jesus Christ was the Old Testament Biblical God, did humanity judge and execute God for all of God’s documented murdering of humanity since Adam & Eve?
So, if someone steps up and commands: I will be boss over you. If you don’t obey, I will kill you and then I will send you into Eternal Torment. How loving, just and fair is that? If you resist this insane tyranny, are you an evil, unclean spirit?
Question: Can God do everything?
Believer: God can do everything and anything.
Q: Is God without limits?
B: God has no limits.
Q: Is there anything that God cannot do?
B: There is nothing that God cannot do.
Q: Can God die?
B: ?
Q: Is God a man?
B: Yes and no.
Q: Is God a woman?
B: No.
Q: Was God a mass murderer in the Old Testament?
B: How dare you!
Who said: Attack a city I give you. Leave no one alive and doom them all?
Who told fathers to murder their stubborn, rebellious sons?
Who said: If a girl is not a virgin – murder her?
Who said: If a man has sex with a married woman, both shall die?
Who, for disobedience, will make you eat your child?
Who orders Joshua to murder all 12,000 in the city of A’i?
Who murdered by casting down hailstones on helpless, fleeing victims?
Who instructs Joshua to hamstring the enemy’s horses?
Who slew 10,000 and cut off Adonibezek’s thumbs and toes?
Who sold his own people out to their enemies?
Who inspired Samson to murder 30 innocent men for their clothes?
Who kills and makes alive and who makes the rich and poor?
Whose own priests misuse tithes and have sex with women?
Who killed 34,000 more of his own people?
Who ravaged a city with hemorrhoids?
Who slaughtered 50,070 just because they looked at something?
Who gave Saul another heart and then went against him?
Who ordered Saul to murder women and children?
Who was upset with Saul for not murdering them all?
Who regretted having made (heart-changed) Saul King?
Who creates evil?
Who sent an evil spirit?
Who murdered Uzzah for trying to protect his wagon’s payload?
Who, after only 7 days of life, murdered David and Bathsheba’s baby?
Who murdered 70,000 more of his own people?
Who had (2) two she-bears tear-apart (42) forty-two children?
Who smite people blind?
Who arranged his soldier’s virgin little girl to be sacrificed to him?
Who sent a deceiving power so they would believe a lie?
Who ordered to murder thousands men, women and children except for 12,000 virgins?
Who ordered a city of trusting and quiet people attacked and murdered?
Who smote great nations and slew mighty kings?
Who said Satan incited / tempted him to ruin Job without cause?
Who ordered men to dash little ones to pieces and rip expectant mothers open?
Who let people sacrifice their first-born to him?
The Biblical God is the correct answer to all these questions.
Was God ever put on trial for His documented Bible C&V murders?
Prosecutor: Judge, the prosecution requests to take a recess so to prepare for the prosecution summery.
Judge: Your request is denied! The jury has been sequestered long enough. Proceed with your summery now so we can dismiss this sham of a case and get down to some humble, much needed prayer!
Prosecution: This is not the easiest of jobs. The Biblical God’s murderous world will remain a murderous world as long as this murderous God is worshiped, supported, promoted and financed.
Why would decent Human Beings worship such a character – especially if this character is fictional?
Judge: Again, you are in contempt! Make your summary and be prepared to spend the rest of your life in a maximum-security prison. I am confident that my fair and just God will also find a suitable eternity for you.
Judge: The defense must maintain order during the prosecution summery.
Prosecutor: Ladies and gentlemen of the jury, would you want a tyrant, with God-like characteristics, taking your land and murdering your children? Do you want your United States Government, under God, to continue their mass human sacrifices of your children in wars just to fulfill their special interest political agendas? Do you still want “In God We Trust” to remain on your currency?
If the Lord was real and could be confronted about His deeds against mankind, the confrontation could go like this:
God, how many people have to die because of You?
Why did You create this inter-parasitical Hell on Earth that Human Beings and animals have had to experience for the past 4,000 years of recorded history?
Why do dumb animals, in addition to man, have to suffer and die?
Why did You create all the wars, disease and suffering that Your book and history recorded for humanity?
Were we humans but Your mistakes?
We have followed You. We trusted You.
Is our pitiful and bloodthirsty history the best You could do?
You, God, have been the most heinous model of murdering, marauding, oppressing, enslaving and the stealing of human souls; because, you have demanded that man follow in Your image. Your lies became myth and You knew that if Your lies were ever exposed to the masses, assuming they had evolved to sufficient intelligence, and found out, You would be finished. We Human Beings do have a tendency to forgive and forget. The facts concerning Your agendas, attitudes and deeds have been exposed by Your biography, the Bible. Belief is a mind-set condition that possesses no sense of contradiction.
Many believers whine: I am a Christian, damn-it; and I am not permitted to use my own judgment in any way. I have faith and believe that God will guide me through His will. Now, after knowing these documented facts, do you want this character to continue to guide you?
I am a Christian, Damn-It!
To the ladies of the jury: If you met a man who you knew had the murderous characteristics of the Biblical God, and who had committed the same heinous deeds on mankind that God had committed in the Bible, would you marry him? Would you love him? If you were guaranteed that his babies would grow up to be just like him, would you really want to have his babies?
One lady, dismissed from jury selection, had resolutely said: Yes! If I knew that he was going to murder a million babies next week, I would still love him, marry him if I could, and have his babies. My love is selfish and blind.
My Love Is Selfish & Blind
The court decided she was putting her selfish feelings and her genetic love-agenda over the lives of others? If she knows about her God’s murdering agenda and she doesn’t inform those who could stop the murdering, isn’t she, under law, an accomplice? Does her selfish love really care about any law? Isn’t this a dangerous Human Being? Is Jesus Christ’s dying for her acceptable to her? Is she entitled? Would she also have others die for her?
The prosecutions contends that: Many warped religionists and dogmatists claim that God created us and gave us life. He, therefore, earned the sadistic right to painfully take our lives.
God Behaves: No evil would happen if believers would totally believe, listen to and obey Me.
A believer who won’t read the Bible has no advantage over the believer who can’t read the Bible.
God behaves: Your are evil and my enemy if you do not accept that I am right. If you do not conform to My will, I am God and you will be punished for not serving My will on My terms.
God behaves: I will love you as long as you love Me and serve Me on My terms. If you do not love Me and serve Me on My terms, I will send evil onto you and then if I am not pleased with your repenting and conforming, I will send you into Eternal Torment.
The “prove Hell isn’t real” demand is to ask someone to prove a negative. Knowledge of basic logic dictates that is impossible.
We disbelieve the bible and its content because we have confirmed that hell is non-existent. We disbelieve because it is illogical to accept the bible as true for a numerous reasons.
1. The majority of the bible stories and concepts are plagiarized from other myths and religions that predate the Bible.
2. The Bible is probably the most contradiction-ridden book in history.
3. No one throughout history has proven the existence of any supernatural God.
4. The fact that there are thousands of denominations of Christianity which adamantly disagree with each other should arouse a thinking person’s suspicion.
5. There are several mutually incompatible religions that worship this same god but would insist that the rival faiths are deceived.
6. There is scientific information that make many Bibles claims and stories impossible. Creationism is ridiculous in the face of evolution. Noah’s Ark and the flood is absurd when confronted with geological evidence.
7. Regarding “Hell”, burning destroys pain receptors. How can one suffer “Eternal Torment” in Hell if one has no flesh body to be tormented?
Eternal Torment
Jesus was the source of creation? No. It was Thor – or was it Zeus who did that? Jesus and His murderous Father were newcomers who tried to take credit. No. I remember now. It was Apollo – or was it Ra? Ah, doesn’t matter. Whoever this “in charge” God is, Humanity’s cruel history has been His “perfect” plan – all for His own pleasure. Religious people just make a supernatural soap opera out of it – and a bunch of false promises about eternal life designed to control the gullible. How utterly childish it is for a believer to believe that a thinker would believe such nonsense!
God behaves: I am always right and anyone who challenges Me is wrong and My enemy. If you obey Me you are good. If not, you are bad.
God behaves: I am everything. You are nothing – unless you serve My will.
God behaves: If you show any individuality, I perceive it as rejection and I attack. I love you as long as you serve Me – on My terms.
God behaves – as does God’s believers, no jury is capable of judging Me due to the mind-set fear that I impose on them. I’ve got feelings. I feel better off if you are suffering for eternity if you do not please Me. It’s all about Me.
The human beings who behave like Me are doing my will – as long as they loyally serve Me. They may murder and take from others as long as it serves My will. They will fight for their right to do so. I am your God. I am the only one you can trust.
Murder is the intent to take human life. Did God intend to kill these people? How do you feel? Do you feel that God intended to kill these people? Do you feel that that these selected Bible C&Vs present the facts that fit the charges? If not, which C&Vs do you select do not? Do you feel that you can explain the discrepancy?
Do you feel that the Biblical God intentionally killed these people? Is killing and the ordering of killing against the law? Is there any question concerning God’s intent?
Kill Power?
Evolution Question: If Human Beings descended from monkeys, why are there still monkeys?
Counter Question: If Adam was made from dust, why is there still dust? If Eve was made from a rib, why are there still ribs? Why do men have as many ribs as women?
Legal insanity is defined as the inability to understand the consequences of one’s actions.
When human beings wake up and realize what God has done to them, will God understand the consequences? Do human beings fear that God will destroy them and then send them into eternal torment if they don’t fearfully worship, support, promote and finance God?
Do believers become God’s willful accomplices? Are believers victims of what is called “The Stockholm Syndrome”?
The believer does not defend God because God is innocent or guilty. Believers defend God because they want to do God’s bidding.
If you accept that it was the Biblical God’s will to murder all these people and you still worship, support, promote and finance this God – it is your will also. Is the Biblical God guilty or are you an accessory to “The God Murders”?
Clear Intent
This work, research, investigation, prosecution and trial calls the Biblical God to account. In the US legal justice system, after now knowing all of these documented Bible C&V facts, do you find the Biblical God innocent or do you find God guilty?
The Lord’s Prayer?
Our Father which art in heaven, Hallowed be thy name. Thy kingdom come, Thy will be done in earth, as it is in heaven. Give us this day our daily bread. And forgive us our debts, as we forgive our debtors. And lead us not into temptation, but deliver us from evil: For thine is the kingdom, and the power, and the glory, for ever. Amen.
Questions: In “The Lord’s prayer”, WHO are you praying to: It is the Biblical God – right? Is it God who leads us into temptation? Isn’t it Satan who is supposed to do the tempting? If God tempts no one, why pray these words to God? Can you explain the logic and purpose of this part of “The Lord’s Prayer”?
Was Jesus gay? This letter is strong evidence that the Secret Gospel of Mark was in fact the complete version of Mark, and what we have is the edited version by the Church fathers. Barnstone at 340 lists as being visible signs of this editing process Mark 4:ll; 9:25-27; 10:21, 32,38-39; 12:32-34; 14:51-52. What, then, were these “true things” that the Church fathers hoped to hide from the untutored eyes of the average Christian? What was the unspeakable?
St. Clement quotes from this complete, “Secret” Gospel of Mark” at length towards the end of his letter. Clement in the last third of his letter to Theodore wrote: “To you, therefore I shall not hesitate to answer the questions you have asked refuting the falsifications by the very words of the [Secret] Gospel” (Barnstone 342). “And they come into Bethany. And a certain woman whose brother had died was there. And she prostrated herself before Jesus and says to him, ‘Son of David, have mercy on me.’ But the disciples rebuked her. And Jesus, being angered, went off with her unto the garden where the tomb was, and straightway a great cry was heard from the tomb. And going near, Jesus rolled away the stone from the door of the tomb. And straightway, going in where the youth was, he stretched forth his hand and raised him, seizing his hand. But the youth, looking upon him, loved him and began to beseech him that he might be with him. And going out of the tomb they came into the house of the youth, for he was rich. And after six days Jesus told him what to do and in the evening the youth came to him, wearing a linen cloth over his naked body. And he remained with him that night, for Jesus taught him the mystery of the Kingdom of God.
When you check your Bible for the accuracy of these selected C&Vs, note to yourself if it is God or Satan who is documented to create evil. And, if you really don’t care – ask yourself – why?
Isaiah 45:7 God said: I form the light and create darkness. I make peace and create evil.
Lamination’s 3:38 God said: That I may repent of the evil, which I purpose to do unto them because of the evil of their doings.
Jeremiah 11:11 God said: I will bring evil upon them, which they cannot escape. Though they cry, I will not listen to them.
Ah – what compassion!
Earth is not perfect because there is war and killing on Earth. There was war in Heaven. If this is true, Heaven cannot be perfect. So, God’s Earth is not perfect. God’s Heaven is not perfect. Ergo, God is not perfect. If God creates evil, God is evil.
Jeremiah 14:16 God said: … I will pour their wickedness upon them.
So – God is going to be as evil as they are?
Some might defend that these references to God creating evil are “taken out of context”? Yes – but, if you are a realist, you will have to realize that regardless – God creates evil. Besides, each C&V has an importance and a context of its own. Doesn’t it?
Jeremiah 18:11 God said: I frame evil against you.
Jeremiah 19:3 God said: Behold, I will bring evil upon this place.
Jeremiah 19:15 God said: I will bring upon this city evil because they don’t obey Me.
Jeremiah 23:12 God said: I will bring evil upon them…
I Will Bring Evil Upon Them
The “out of context” excuse doesn’t matter as all who create evil have personal reasons to create it.
Jeremiah 26:3 God said: All the evil which I purpose to do unto them; that they may return every man from his evil way; that I may forgive their iniquity and their sin.
Jeremiah 32:42 God said: As I have brought great evil so will I do the good I promised them.
Praise and punishment are the tools of dog training.
Jeremiah 35:17 God said: Behold, I will bring all the evil on Judah and Jerusalem that I have pronounced against them.
Jeremiah 36:31 God said: I will bring evil upon him, his seed and his servants…
Behold: Due to the sins of the father, God punishes the father, his children and those who work for him. What is “just and fair” about that?
Jeremiah 40:2 God has placed evil upon this place.
Jeremiah 42:10 God repented of the evil He did to someone.
This Bible, C&V, proves that God is not perfect / infallible or truly in control. It documents that God makes mistakes. Doesn’t it? If you don’t think so – would you know a mistake if you saw it? One who is infected by “The God Virus” could not see God’s evil nor His mistakes.
Jeremiah 42:17 God said: Men shall die of the sword, famine and pestilence and none will escape the evil I will bring upon them.
Famine and Pestilence
Jeremiah 44:2 God said: You have seen all the evil I have brought upon Jerusalem and Judah…
Jeremiah 45:5 God said: If you seek things for yourself – do not – for I will bring evil upon all flesh…
Jeremiah 49:37 God said: I will bring evil upon them – even my fierce anger…
Jeremiah 51:64 Babylon shall sink and shall not rise from the evil I will bring upon her.
Babylon Shall Sink
Can you name a more evil or angry character than God in the entire Bible? Can you name someone in the Bible who is more miserable than the Biblical God?
Ezekiel 6:10 God said: They shall know that I am God and that I have not said in vain that I will do this evil to them.
Ezekiel 20:25-26 God said: As I have brought great evil upon these people…
How does all of God’s love for humanity show up within these selected Bible C&Vs?
Micah 2:3 God said: Against this family I devise an evil…
1 Kings 21:29 God said: Because Ahab humbled himself before Me, I will not bring evil upon him – but I will put evil on his son’s house.
How many more examples would you need to know that the Biblical God is ‘evil’ and not “just and fair”?
2 Chronicles 34:24 God said: I will bring evil upon this place upon its people including all the curses written in the book…
Amos 3:6 Shall there be evil in a city, and the Lord hath not done it?
Evil in a City?
Conclusion: The God of the Bible is not a good God and the Bible is not a good model for humanity.
It is time for them to be retired to the Smithsonian Institute Library as the worst and the most destructive model ever for humanity.
USA: A Judeo-Christian Country
This God / Bible criticism-commentary was partly inspired by “God Versus Satan” as originally seen on the history channel 10-19-08.
MICHAEL-VS-SATAN
Any corrections, feedback or comments?
Thank You!
The man who has the best documented Biblical research I have found to date is: C. Dennis McKinsey’s (Deceased) His two books are:
“The Encyclopedia of Biblical Errancy: 1995
“Biblical Errancy” (A Reference Guide) 2000 by Prometheus Books.
To Believe in God is Really a Self-Imposed Condition
The Undetectable and the Non-Existent look exactly Alike
God Loves You but God Created Hell in case God Changes His Mind
Christian Enlightenment?
Men Wrote the Bible.
The KJV contains 31,102 verses.
The Biblical God was created by the Bible.
This created God was introduced to you by practicing Bible believers.
Gods tend to behave like the believers who claim them.
The entire Bible has 1003 commandments.
Malachi 3:6For I am God, I change not.
By Jesus and Mohammed’s words, have we finally figured out the God business?
If “Jesus Christ” is NOT a proper name but the literal title of “Savior Anointed” and “God” is the title of “Authority” and “The Holy Ghost” amounts to God’s CIA are ALL one – but separate entities, with separate missions and responsibilities – then “God” is a merely the oldest, documented political office.
The US Supreme Court legalized the insane nonsense that a Corporation is now a legal person.
Is “GOD” the first Corporation?
Does “GOD” amount to a “Political Office” – a threatening, heavy-handed, might-makes-right “Political Party” that Atheists refuse to serve, to worship or to vote for?
Behold: The Muslims vote for their Allah – the one God of Abraham – whom they serve, worship and vote to rule over them.
And, the Christians vote for their Judeo-Christian God – the one God of Abraham – whom they serve, worship and vote to rule over them.
Can this be the real secret of the world’s biggest religions – the Judeo-Christian-Islamic religions?
Believers behave as if the DUTY of Christians and Islamists is to hate other religions and the non-religious.
Islam’s Koran demands: “Kill the infidel”. Fanatical Islamist’s highest honor is to die as a martyr killing Christians, Jews and Atheists.
Jesus Christ said: And as for those, Mine enemies, who would not have Me be King over them, bring them before Me and slay them.
Both Christianity and Islam threaten “Eternal Torment” if not converted and conformed to, served and obeyed. Both religions serve, promote and finance the same “One God of Abraham”.
For these reasons, and thousands of others, I am not religious. Gary DeVaney
William Burns: The Biblical God commands for us to “love our enemies” while He drowns His own. The Biblical God murders Human Beings and then sends their “souls” into Eternal-Torment in Hell. Is that the Biblical God teaching us “morality”? That is like Adolf Hitler telling us to love the Jews while he is murdering and burning to ashes millions of Jews.
Christianity says that by default we are all born guilty. The core concept of the United States judicial system is that all people are innocent until proven guilty. Being that these two ideas are diametrically opposed, how anyone can come away with the idea that the United States is founded on the Christian religion?
Oscar Wilde: Religion is like a blind man looking in a black room for a black cat that isn’t there, and finding it.
Oscar Wilde defined Puritanism as the fear that someone, somewhere, is having a good time.
Arthur Schopenhauer (German philosopher, 1788-1860): All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as being self-evident.
Socrates: When the debate is lost, slander becomes the tool of the loser.
The Roman Emperor, Constantine, brought Christianity to Rome. Before his major battle for the leadership of Rome, Constantine envisioned a cross and pledged that if he won the battle, he would accept Christianity for Rome.
The Roman Emperor, Constantine
Constantine later assembled selected Judeo-Christian leaders and their scribes to vote on the books of the Bible (Canon) during “The Council of Nicaea” meetings that took place on and after 325 AD. Selected religious leaders also voted for Jesus Christ to be God.
Selected Bible myths and stories are what created the Biblical God.
Through faith – practicing Judeo-Christian believers insist that the Biblical God exists – just because the Bible says so.
However, unlike practicing Christians, practicing Jews do not believe that Jesus Christ was God.
To dare to be specific and redundant: For believers with stubborn faith, The Bible created its Biblical God. The Bible does not prove that God exists, or ever existed, any more than the books and movies like “Bambi” and “Godzilla” prove that Bambi and Godzilla ever existed.
Religious Judeo-Christian-Islamic faith is anti-intellectual. In any anti-intellectual category, irrational faith is required. Mindset belief makes it evident that a high percentage of stupid is stubborn.
The “substance” of the Biblical God consists of irrational faith and mindset belief – nothing more.
Religion is an authority / obedience agenda. Religion is primitive politics designed to govern – to rule – to have authority over – and to judge by punishing consequence. Politics is power and profit over people. Practicing religionists are war-hawks. When their faith, beliefs and rules are broken or their “interests” are competed with or defied, they, historically, punish and kill the “guilty” – whether the “guilty” be an individual or another sovereign nation.
Outside of the extremely flawed, controversial and self-contradictory Bible, what solid evidence can you produce that the Biblical God exists? Should you display some evidence, would that evidence hold up in a court of law or a reality test? Or would your “evidence” be written hearsay? If beliefs mostly consist of passed on lies, do you have a conscience concerning your adopted beliefs? If you do have a conscience, a clear conscience is usually the sign of a bad memory.
Deuteronomy 4:34 Or hath God assayed to go and take him a nation from the midst of another nation, by temptations, by signs, and by wonders, and by war, and by a mighty hand, and by a stretched out arm, and by great terrors, according to all that the Lord your God did for you in Egypt before your eyes?
This C&V documents, before your eyes, that the Biblical God stole for Himself a nation from another nation by temptation, war and terror.
Prayer
God IS Perfect?
For the Biblical God to be jealous, angry, deceiving, wrathful, evil and murderous, God is not perfect.
For this God to repent, admit and feel sorry for mistakes that God created, God is not perfect.
For this God to wage war on unknown tribes so to steal their land – killing men, women and children – God is not perfect.
For this God to currently allow thousands of starving children to die daily, God is not perfect – is it?
For this all-knowing God to force people to suffer long-term cancer and other terminal diseases, God is not perfect.
For this God to send most of Humanity into Hell’s Eternal-Torment just for not believing, God is not perfect.
Concerning these documented and evident issues and topics, can you sell anyone on how your God – the Biblical God – is perfect?
Will you personally tend to ignore the topics, avoid the issues, and claim the Biblical God is real but that these issues are not?
Magical Spells and Incantations.
The Fantasy of Willing Things into Reality.
President Donald J. Trump’s 30,529 public, fact-checked lies during his one term were often his attempts to “will things into reality”.
Should a self-responsible individual meditate to open communication with one’s genes and nervous system, one may decide to experience desired results.
Adolf Hitler burned six million Jews. Hitler couldn’t hurt them once they were dead – yet some would have us believe God is torturing people from death throughout eternity – making God a bigger despot than Hitler! Can you reconcile that with the God of your experience?
United States PresidentGeorge W. Bush claimed to often pray to God. George W. Bush publicly claimed that he received a vision from God to attack the sovereign nation of Iraq. Bush murdered and injured over a million Iraqis to enforce his foreign policy “interests” and to eliminate Iraqi competition, disobedience and defiance. It is the same old God authority: If you do not obey me – I will punish / kill you. Would God-worshipping George W. Bush also send the disobedient defenders of their land and oil into Eternal Torment – if he could?
Man created God to take advantage of – and to subordinate – other fearful, superstitious, authority-worshipping men. By worshipping a God, a man enslaves himself even before another man can enslave him. To worship a god or another Human Being takes away self-responsibility, confidence and personal power. The practice of hierarchical worship inherently creates the idea and the desire to be worshipped by others.
For the believer to pretend that a fictitious God became master over them – and to voluntarily become the phony God’s slave – eventually takes away the believer’s freedom and the capacity to think for oneself.
The Lord’s Prayer includes: “Lead us not into temptation”. Does God allow us to be tempted? Isn’t that the Devil’s job?
1 Corinthians 10:13 says, “No temptation has seized you except what is common to man. And God is faithful; he will not let you be tempted beyond what you can bear. But when you are tempted, he will also provide a way out so that you can stand up under it.”
So, God does tempt and allow temptation. Is God and the Devil the same Character?
Many a man, given a badge, pepper-spray and a gun, and the authority to use them, turned him into a punishing, harassing, murderous Human monster.
Stripped of self-identity and esteem, feeling helpless, powerless and alone, the believer’s desire to serve an assumed-authority manifests. A believer often gives up his or her rights as an independent / non-dependent Human Being in favor of an assumed-authority’s orders, agendas and wishes. Military training best showcases the “you are with me or against me” / “kill or die” / authority-obedience / master-slave agenda. For the indoctrinated / brainwashed, not serving authority – on its terms – often produces a sense of unnecessary guilt.
In the Judeo-Christian churches, groups of practicing believers look forward to being herded. They also tend to compete in righteously supervising each other in serving. Some dress alike in uniforms.
Soldiers and slaves are products of these patriotic, God-worshipping agendas, missions and causes. They tend to bond to and serve symbols and flags. Dictators and God’s hate thinkers who question and prove to think for themselves. They censor and punish questions, protests and challenges. An intellectual, who thinks for himself or herself, is often targeted to become the practicing believer’s enemy. Some god-fearing believers consider free-will thinkers to be terrorists. Some demand obedience to the point they demonize those who do not obey.
The authoritative God / Ego demands: “Stop thinking! Believe in and serve Me on My terms”. This is the practicing rule of the Biblical God and His inspired believer / dictator. Reward and punishment are the tools for dog-training. Gods and believer’s demand: “Have faith, believe, serve, follow and obey Me!” Once a believer is converted, he or she will try to convert non-believers to believe – to be like them – eventually by threat of consequence. They may not like you if you do not.
A converted Ego (I am the value / I am the authority / I am entitled) is God-like. An Ego infected by “The God Virus” categorically sucks-up all this “authority-worship”.
Thou Shalt Worship Me
Luke 19:27 Jesus Christ said: And as for those, Mine enemies, who will not have Me be King over them, bring them before Me and slay them.
Then comes the ultimate Judeo / Christian / Islamist threat: If one refuses or fails to give up their free-will and to whole-heartedly have faith, to believe and to serve God on His terms – he or she is destined to suffer their loving, Biblical God’s “Eternal Torment”.
With God-Authority, Intellect Is Not Allowed.
Faith-based religionists claim that God is a perfect Being.
Perfect things / beings are usually nonexistent idealizations of real things / beings.
Concerning the Biblical God, everyone may have his or her own opinion, but stubborn facts are made of sturdier stuff.
Therefore, it is likely that God is a nonexistent idealization of a real thing / being.
Clarity: Because there is no realistic evidence in God, I do not have faith in nor believe in God. I am often asked why I care if people believe in a God while I do not. Do I care if you personally believe in a God? No. That is your personal choice. Do I care if you present this God as a true concept to others? Yes. I find it offensive and detrimental to others to promote myth as fact. Do I care if one religious group overrides the rights of others? Yes. I am aggressively opposed. If you choose to say that you “believe”, I interpret that as you do not “know”. I view that it is wrong for you to impose your “beliefs” / your “I don’t knows” on others. Because perfect things are usually nonexistent idealizations of real things, and God is a perfect thing, it follows that it is likely that God is also a nonexistent idealization of an unreal, supernatural entity.
Although Human Beings can be morally good, we quite often are not.
God, on the other hand, is conceived of as the perfect super person: maximally knowledgeable and powerful, completely unaccountable, fully rational, and morally perfect. Moreover, many people tend to create ideal, unattainable standards and fantasize about how perfect things could have been when reflecting on their flaws, so it is likely that God reflects a nonexistent idealization of a person.
Judges 1:19 God was with Judah. God drove out the inhabitants of the mountain but could not drive out the inhabitants of the valley, because they had chariots of iron.
The Judean Biblical God is obviously NOT all powerful.
So, can the Biblical God build a rock so heavy that God can NOT pick it up?
God is a perfect being that created the universe. If a perfect “Creator-God” exists, then the world is perfect. God would not make the world worse in violation of his perfection. However, the world is imperfect. Ergo, God does not exist.
Is Heaven sin-free, evil-free? The presence of sinful souls, forgiven or not, would not allow Heaven to be perfect.
To learn to care for community, friendship, love and trust between different individuals does make a world better. Human Beings can and do benefit from such things. The Biblical God destroyed more of these relationships than the few Jews that God helped. God only helped His “Chosen Jews” destroy other people.
The “in control” Biblical God imposed deadly and crippling plagues on Human Beings who God did not like. Science has outsmarted some of the Biblical God’s plagues like polio, syphilis, malaria, et al. Science discovered antibiotics to kill deadly germs. Neither God nor Jesus Christ ever offered this life-saving knowledge to Humanity. Science learned about and discovered how to make electricity so that Human Beings could live more comfortably. Know-it-all God and Jesus never bothered to mention such things in the Bible.
This Polio is God’s Will?
This Syphilis is God’s Will?
This Malaria is also God’s Will?
The Bible documents that “there was war in Heaven”. Religionists claim that Heaven is a “perfect” place. They further claim that things will stay that way in Heaven, so there is no worrisome possibility that things will not turn out well. Thus, Heaven’s occupants have no need for hopes nor faith.
Hope would not improve Heaven. It could make it worse – for it would bring with it the worrisome possibility that things may not turn out well.
When believers pray – they attempt to alter God’s “perfect plan” in their favor.
Hope only makes a world better when there are beings that need or can benefit from it.
Is it true that: Nothing proves “spirituality” more than stirring up fear and hate?
Judeo-Christian-Islamist religions believe that the “One God of Abraham” exists! Atheists would not agree.
Faith and belief insist that God is in control, is the kind Being that will always do the right thing, or always ensure that things turn out for the best. It is always irrational to believe something with insufficient or no evidence suggesting its truth.
There is no preaching in Heaven since everyone is already in the presence of God.
G: Earth is not perfect because there is war and killing on Earth. There was war in Heaven. If this is true, Heaven cannot be perfect. So, God’s Earth is not perfect. God’s Heaven is not perfect. Ergo, God is not perfect.
If God is secure, powerful and knows all, how could God benefit from being worshipped?
You can count on one hand how many people you know who is capable to critically stand up to the Biblical God.
The Bible introduced the Biblical God. The Bible described this insane God. Bible C&Vs discredit this murderous God better than I ever could. I just document and present the selected, controversial Bible C&Vs to blind, brain-washed, emotionally charged, mind-set believers.
I did not write the Bible. Don’t blame me for what it documents. If I make an error displaying a selected C&V, correct it – don’t try to make a voodoo threat to authoritatively dismiss it.
If you claim that you are not a believer? Do you find yourself still attempting to protect the Biblical God? If so, why? Don’t you think that believers should know what their Bible says about their God?
Religion In School: If you don’t want the school teaching your kids that Allah is the only way to salvation, then you already know that you are wrong!
Religious texts portray God as needing worship so much that he threatens Human Beings with severe punishment for not worshipping God. This projects insecure, psychologically dependent, cruel, and unjust behavior from God.
Why would an infinitely good, absolutely perfect God – who knows how excellent He is – destroy those who don’t care to worship Him? You wouldn’t do that to your children – would you? If you answer is no – then – you are more perfect than the Biblical God.
If you could not have both – which would you prefer – worship or money?
On the other hand, maybe churchgoing and God-worship have nothing to do with any God but is all about you – your ego. Do you do it because you fear? Are you insecure? Do you want more. Has God short-changed you? Are you dissatisfied with God’s blessings? Do you need to beg for more?
Graven-Image Hypocrisy
Deuteronomy 5:8 The Biblical God commanded: Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image.
The Biblical God twice broke His own commandment.
1. God ordered Moses to build The Arc of the Covenant.
2. God had poisonous snakes bite and kill His own Hebrews. God then ordered them to make a rod with a snake wrapped around it so that any who saw it would not die of snakebite.
What “graven-image” hypocrisy!
Ego: “But, I Am Entitled & I Want”
Simple Problem: God is perfect? God created everything? How can a perfect God create things that prove to be imperfect?
Possible answer: Perfection, even for Human Beings, is many things – one of which is boring. God was bored with His perfection. So, God created evil and sin for His own pleasure and entertainment. Evil and sin exist so isn’t this reality as possible as any other reality? Life on Earth consists of inter-parasitical life-forms. It’s called the food-chain. Earth’s life-forms are God’s evil and sinful war-games.
The world in which we live is full of flaws and blemishes; there is a plethora of suffering, injustice, immoral actions and terrible individuals, conflict and war, and plenty of misperception and intentional deception.
Only if – suffering, murder, theft, injustice, immoral actions, terrible individuals, conflict and war, and intentional deception is perfect – can the Biblical God be perfect.
The God Murders website gives Bible C&V evidence that God was guilty of all those things, Himself. And, because God does not change, just imagine what Heaven will be like having to live forever with such a “it’s all about Me and My pleasure” character.
If the “just & fair” Biblical God hides Himself from modern Humanity and then God sends you into Hell’s Eternal-Torment for not believing in Him – doesn’t that proves that the Biblical God loves you?
Epicurus (341 – 270 BCE)
Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able? Then he is not omnipotent. Is he able, but not willing? Then he is malevolent. Is he both able and willing? Then whence cometh evil? Is he neither able nor willing? Then why call him God?
Religionists claim that God is the greatest thing conceivable. I claim that things like oxygen and electricity have proven for mankind to be some of the greatest things ever experienced. Think about it. If you had to choose, which would you prefer to give up for yourself and your family – God – or oxygen and electricity? Be realistic now. If you are willing give up oxygen, you, like Abraham, will be willing to sacrifice the lives of your own children.
A unicorn is described as a horse with a horn coming out of its forehead. Most claim they do not exist. Of course unicorns exist. They are everywhere. They just don’t have a little horn coming out of their forehead anymore.
A perfect God is like a perfect marriage ending up in a perfect divorce. Such is Atheism.
Isaiah 43:10 You are My witnesses, said God, and My servant whom I have chosen. That you may know and believe Me, and understand that I am God. Before Me, there was no God formed, neither shall there (a God) be after Me.
Well, that doesn’t make much room for Jesus Christ being God – unless they invent “The Trinity”.
In myth, a man called Abraham invented the one office of the one God.
God is a man-invented office of one authority over all men.
Throughout history, in many countries, many men have assumed the one office of their one King.
The one God is a one office nomenclature – a position of one power and one authority over all who believe in, support, promote and finance the office.
God / Bible / Rape
God (The Authority) Can Do Anything God Wants
Because of the Catholic religion’s delusion concerning the common belief in a perfect, supernatural, moral authority (God) – illegal, immoral sexual rape within the Catholic ranks / hierarchy is protected. There are thousands of cases of Catholic Priests raping children. The Catholic Church hierarchy quietly transferred or retired their Priest without legal or public consequence. In days of old, they quietly and confidentially paid off any complaints.
With immunity, many of God’s Biblical heroes committed rape. Lot had sex with his 2 virgin daughters. Legally, that’s incest and rape.
Abraham impregnated his wife Sarah’s servant, Hagar. Hagar had no choice. That’s rape.
David had sex and impregnated one of his military officer’s wife, Bathsheba. That was rape or Bathsheba was an adulteress. Then, David ordered Bathsheba’s husband, Uriah, killed.
“The Holy Ghost” knocked-up “The Virgin Mary” to produce Jesus Christ.
If you believe “The Trinity” – Jesus Christ was “The Holy Ghost”.
If so, Jesus Christ knocked-up His own mother to produce Himself.
All these women were sexually raped by these righteous, God favored “authorities”. The Bible and religion are models that protect rapists. Due to these Biblical God-models, other positions of authority like teachers, coaches, and bosses in the work-place have raped with immunity. Would you want to know if someone was being raped? If you did know, would you speak out and accuse? Religion demands that its God-fearing believers do not question or take issue with those in authority. Thus, most rapes are covered-up by authority-worshipping rape enablers.
In US history, men invented the one office of the one President.
The one office of the one President functions as the one top authority of the country.
When human beings describe the one God, they describe the one office of the one God.
Is “The Office of God” – “The Trinity”? Was Jesus Christ The Holy Spirit? Who impregnated “The Virgin Mary”?
God does not exist, in reality, but in some believer’s minds, the authoritative “one office of God” does exist. The “Spirit of God” is Authority.
People worship and serve the throne of the one King – and Whoever happens to be sitting on it.
“The King is dead. Long live the King.”
As long as the office of the King exists, the King exists
Throughout history, there have been thousands of gods to fulfill the one god office.
Exodus 3:2 The Angel of God appeared unto him in a flame of fire out of the midst of a bush: and he looked, and, behold, the bush burned with fire, and the bush was not consumed.
Did an Angel or God appear in the burning bush? What is the truth?
Judges 2:1 The Angel of God said, “I brought you up out of Egypt and led you into the land that I swore to give to your forefathers.”
Did an Angel or God lead the Hebrews out of Egypt and into “The Promised Land”?
“The Trinity” displays the one office of the one God that is filled by 3 equal entities.
The office of God exists as long as authoritative agendas to be obeyed are assigned from it.
The titles King, Emperor, President are all artificial offices set up to govern separate groups of Human Beings.
The title God is an artificial office designed, by fear of consequence, to govern all mankind.
A believer’s ego tries to govern and discipline all others in his or her atmosphere by threat of the authority of their one God’s office.
A belief is a psychological projection, often an attempt to will something into reality.
A lie is a psychological projection, often an attempt to make someone believe something false is real.
ALLAH – ISLAM’S NAME FOR THE BIBLE’S “ONE GOD OF ABRAHAM”.
There are others?
The one Biblical God has more aliases than Jesse James.
The Bible and its “Apocrypha” (scripture not selected) is modern-day man’s main source as to the real or fictional existence of the Biblical God.
Test your integrity: Other than the myth of creation, list by Bible documentation, where the Old Testament Biblical God did something good for someone without hurting another.
If your list proves to be short and weak, can you explain to your child why?
Have you ever used this feared, angry, jealous, murderous and wrathful God to intimidate your child because you are afraid you cannot control your child without doing so?
If so, are you trying to use the wrathful Biblical God as your personal voodoo authority enforcer? Do you attempt to authoritatively bully and control other people with your God?
Having faith is blindly trusting the unknown.
Many believers support God’s agenda to inflict evil upon a human soul / life in order to prove the Human’s character and the steadfastness of his faith. The “know-it-all” Biblical God cannot know who He will choose to serve Him for eternity without putting evil on Humans to test their sacrifice, love, servitude and willingness to be God’s slave for eternity.
Without the Koran and these Bible / Apocrypha sources of the Judeo-Christian-Islamic God / Allah character, Judeo-Christian-Islamic believers would not believe what they claim to believe today.
There are no other sources of God other than the Islamic Allah’s Koran – and the Judeo-Christian God’s Bible / Apocrypha. The Koran’s Allah and the Judeo-Christian God is the same Character – the same “One-God of Abraham”.
There is no historical evidence of any supernatural Biblical God or of any other supernatural mythical gods. They’re all myths. In reality, there is no evidence that the Biblical God exists. There is only evidence that “belief in God” exists.
I agree that religion is primitive politics and that politics demand control, authority, power and profit over people.
The mystery of a supernatural god lies in our ego’s relationship with our ever-evolving genes. Assuming that our human gene-banks (46 chromosomes) light up and shut down as we evolve (age) and that feelings are the vehicles of communication between our conscience ego and our programmable genetic hard-wiring / software, maybe the mysteries of a supernatural god can be resolved and formulated. Assuming that – experience triggers genes and those genes trigger experiences – our genes may be the mysterious gods that we claim to be so personal. Our ego, by interpreting these mysterious feelings / god-like influences, bring all these gods down to one god.
Belief in God?
Unfortunately, for our fragile (I am the value, I am the authority, I am entitled) egos, this theory gives our illusive, on-again, off-again genes credit of much of our conflictive, do-want / don’t want emotions and our observable attitudes and behaviors.
What is a theory? A theory is simply another, definite, guaranteed maybe.
Until the capacity for “critical thinking” – for some exploring minds – religion has been spread as dogma to be protected rather than a complex set of hypotheses to be tested.
Concerning “The potter and the clay” nonsense: If one paints an ugly painting, is the painting at fault for being ugly or the one who paints it? Conversely, “One stroke of an artist’s brush may appear distasteful, even hideous, but it along with a combination of others, may be responsible for a masterpiece.” GWD
Religion / God attempts to place a fictitious Authority / God over an “obedient” you.
“Repentance” is a psychological tool used to get you to confess your disobedience to authority / God and to assume your agreement not to disobey authority / God again – under the phony threat that you will suffer Hell and Eternal-Torment.
Religion attempts to place and keep you, the individual, in an immature, dependent state instead of a mature state of self-responsibility.
I view that if a man talks to God – he is religious. If God appears and / or talks to him, he is delusional and / or psychotic.
The problem that believers have with Atheists is, Atheists don’t do obedience to supernatural / false authorities. That disturbs believers as they demand all obey their mind-set dogma. They use God as their enforcer and punisher to get there way.
Mind-Set Dogma
Atheists rightfully claim that there is no evidence of any supernatural gods. Sadly, that’s where atheists usually stop. Most atheists are not equipped to, nor are they interested in debating the heinous deeds of the Biblical God to any depth. Atheists don’t care to know the selected C&Vs of the Bible that prove their disobedience to the Biblical God to be correct. They don’t seem to care or want to know how their concept of atheism is logically validated. They operate simply as the authority over their Atheism.
Believers claim that the Judeo-Christian God is supernatural and real. Believers claim that if you don’t obey the Biblical God, He will torment you for eternity.
Most Christian believers prove not to be realists. What? How realistic is a “virgin birth” or the dead coming back to life? Most also prove not to be honest concerning controversial Bible issues. They usually play the authority – obedience / eternal-torment card as they exit most Bible debates.
I support every human being’s right to have their own views and beliefs – as long as they do not imperialistically or authoritatively infringe them on others.
To the honest and realist human being – please be just and fair: If you are going to promote, support and finance the Biblical God, at least know what this God is documented, by Bible C&V, to have done.
Regards, Gary DeVaney
“The God Concept” demands conformance and obedience to authority, control, laws, rules, and obedience. If you don’t willingly obey, punishment / eternal-torment are your fate.
It seems that each time a Christian says, “I believe”, they get caught trying to supervise others. Christians are always authoritatively telling other people how to live their lives.
If your god happens to hate the same people that you hate, your ego turns out to be your god.
Robert Frost wrote: I turned to speak to God about the world’s despair; but, to make bad matters worse, I found God wasn’t there.
Did you ever hear: Because God is NOT allowed in to protect our US schools, shootings happen and kids die.
A Perspective of God’s Murderous Behavior
I am God. I cannot die. I impose My will on others. I punish and kill others who do not obey Me or My will. I do not kill them in self-defense. I kill them for My pleasure and to serve Me on My terms. I really have no empathy, compassion or regret. If I shoot someone – I feel nothing – but the recoil.
Genesis 6:6 God Repented
1. To feel sorry, self-reproachful, or contrite for past conduct; regret or be conscience-stricken about a past action, attitude, etc. (often followed by of ): He repented after his thoughtless act.
2. To feel such sorrow for sin or fault as to be disposed to change one’s life for the better; be penitent.
3. To remember or regard with self-reproach or contrition: to repent one’s injustice to another.
4. To feel sorry for; regret: to repent an imprudent act.
Exodus 32:14 God repented of the evil which he thought to do unto his people.
Judges 2:18 For it repented God…
I Chronicles 21:15 God sent an Angel to Jerusalem to destroy it: as he was destroying, God looked and repented the Angel of the evil…
I Samuel 15:35 God repented that he had made Saul King over Israel.
II Samuel 24:16 When the angel stretched out his hand to destroy Jerusalem, God repented him of the evil, and said to the angel that destroyed the people, it is enough: stay now your hand.
Jeremiah 26:19 God repented him of the evil which he had pronounced against them?
Amos 7:3 & Amos 7:6 God repented for this: It shall not be, said God.
Jonah 3:10 God saw their works, that they turned from their evil way; and God repented of the evil that he had said that he would do to them; and he (God) did it not.
If the “unchanging” God repented – did God change His mind?
“The Trinity” God – Jesus Christ – The Holy Ghost
The Trinity Dogma: Jesus Christ is The Holy Ghost. The Holy Ghost is God. God is Jesus Christ.
Matthew 1:18 / Luke 1:35 documented that The Holy Ghost impregnated The Virgin Mary.
If a believer claims that to be true, then, Jesus Christ impregnated His own mother to produce Himself.
A fact, unlike truth, does not care who agrees or disagrees with it.
John 1:19-36: John-the-Baptist baptized Jesus Christ claiming twice not to know Jesus. Jesus Christ was John-the-Baptist’s cousin.
For believers, the Biblical God is the assumed authority over everything. In the Jewish Torah, “God’s word” has documented 613 laws / rules to be obeyed by “God’s Chosen Jews”. The New Testament’s Apostle Paul changed that to include all believers. Many of those 613 Biblical laws, if obeyed, would place you in a court-of-law and on death-row.
Each time you say, “I believe” you have announced an authority that you have committed to follow, support and obey. When you preach your beliefs, you are establishing your rules and your values. Your ego then expects others to follow, conform to, support and obey your announced beliefs / values.
“The Holy Ghost” is with you only if and when you are willing to be obedient.
The “Savior” focuses on your willfully trying to obey, failing to obey and repenting. If you don’t repent or try to obey, you will not be saved and you will be punished or destroyed. Employment operates this way. If you don’t obey and serve the employer – on his terms – you will be financially crucified.
Your salvation is based on your willingness to conform, support, promote and obey the “assumed authority” that you serve.
This “God Concept” is easily described:
Perceive that God was / is the first corporation.
A corporation is an idea, a fictitious entity, with by-laws and an agenda.
As long as this corporation is supported, promoted and financed, (believed-in) it exists.
Example: Trans World Airlines (TWA) did not exist 200 years ago. TWA did exist for many years in the 20thcentury. TWA does not exist today.
When people stopped supporting, promoting and financing TWA, it ceased to exist. Such is the fate of most of the mythical gods in mankind’s authoritative history. When the collection plate dried up, these gods ceased to exist.
Your genes created you as a million life cycles created the evolved genes that created you. GWD
Ego and God is synonymous. Neither is tangible in reality. Both God and Ego behave as if:
I am the value.
I am the authority.
I am entitled.
Most animals have these behaviors. Dogs are probably the easiest to compare. They worship, obey and try to please their god / master. They also disobey. Dogs often feel guilty and show remorse when their assumed master / god corrects them. They seem to whine and worship, beg and pray to their god / master when they want something.
How many gods are there on planet Earth? There is at least one god for each ego – as each big or small ego privately operates as if it were a god.
7 Billion Human Egos?
Epicurus: Why should I fear death? If I am – death is not. If death is – I am not. Why should I fear that which can not exist when I do?
We all assume authority over some things. We often feel entitled and behave as if we are “gods / assumed authorities” over those things we feel entitled to.
We are not known by nor are we identified with what we think. We are known and identified with what we do or what we have done.
Belief often does not promote truth. Belief often promotes self-serving authority.
Thomas Jefferson, letter to John Adams, January 24, 1814: The whole history of these books [the Gospels] is so defective and doubtful that it seems vain to attempt minute enquiry into it: and such tricks have been played with their text, and with the texts of other books relating to them, that we have a right, from that cause, to entertain much doubt what parts of them are genuine. In the New Testament there is internal evidence that parts of it have proceeded from an extraordinary man; and that other parts are of the fabric of very inferior minds. It is as easy to separate those parts, as to pick out diamonds from dunghills.
Religion is the competition of egos. One “converted” ego, claims to have no will of his or her own and claims to live by God’s will. That ego tries to break another’s will to serve their God. That “conversion” would satisfy their ego. The other ego either commits to convert to God’s will or stubbornly claims to live by his own free-will. Religious people tend to angrily condemn those who choose to live by their own free-will and their own values in their lives. “Assumed authorities” demand: “I want you to live by my values in your life with me being the center of those values.” God wants it that way. Your boss wants it that way. Your spouse, parent and president all want it that way. Religion is the training of the masses to serve, sacrifice and to submit to other “assumed authorities” on their terms.
Reality is often a problem for believers / authoritarians.
The real source of bad Human behavior is our Human Animal nature. It’s all in the genes. The Biblical God’s documented insane and murderous behavior reinforces and triggers those insane and murderous Animal genes.
The International Bankers are the “gods” over all the money on this planet. Money is the only “god of consequence” on planet Earth. Everybody worships, sacrifices for and depends on whatever form of money they are addicted to. You are not addicted to money, you say? Try living without money and what it does for you. If you cannot live without the benefit of money, you are addicted.
The International Bankers
Amschel Moses Rothschild
Mr. Buffett (of Goldman)
David de Rothschild
Michel David-Weill (Lazard)
Lloyd Blankfein
Paul Warburg
John D. Rockefeller, Andrew Carnegie, Cornelius Vanderbilt, and J.P. Morgan
Confucius stated a legal principle:
“Do NOT do onto others what you would NOT have them to do unto you.”
The United States of America, without legal cause, did a pre-emptive attack on Iraq and has killed almost a million Iraqi people. The USA has injured millions of Iraqis.
In your value system, would you have Iraq do an pre-emptive attack and kill millions of US citizens? Would you have Iraq occupy the USA?
If you say “yes”, you prove to be insane. If you say “no”, then our Christian-lead nation is wrong – for that is what The United States of America has done to Iraq.
President Thomas Jefferson said: The Christian God can be pictured as virtually the same god as the many ancient gods of past civilizations. The Christian God is a three-headed monster – cruel, vengeful and capricious. If one wishes to know more of this raging three-headed beast-like God, one only needs to look at the caliber of people who say they serve Him. They are always of two classes – fools and hypocrites. Finis
Today, about 1 out of every 138 Judeo-Christians in our United States of America is behind bars in our prison system. That is hard evidence as to how “good and righteous” our Judeo-Christian country is.
President George W. Bush is the most powerful “god / assumed authority” on planet Earth as of this writing. Bush, Hitler, Stalin and Pol Pot were some of the worst “gods / assumed authorities” in modern history. Why are American “believers” still obeying, supporting, promoting and sacrificing our youth for this heinous tyrant’s murderous agenda?
Oil: Black Gold
Oilman: George W. Bush
Praying is practicing obedience. Believing is willfully obeying. It is time for this insane, “assumed authority / god” and his staff-support to be impeached and jailed.
It is time for the “might makes right” god-obedience game to cease. Congress must dry up Bush’s military collection plate and the troops will have to come home.
President George W. Bush, this heinous, insane god, will probably provide the American blood necessary for the International Banker’s wars.
Parents promote God, a false authority, to brainwash and program a child to worship, adore, serve and obey. They program children that God is good, but that if the child is bad, God will be mad and will punish the bad, sinful child. The authoritative parent tries to get the benefit of an obedient, serving, authority-fearing child. The parent often displays that he or she is a model of serving and obeying God – so that the child will learn to serve and obey the parent.
Kings and Presidents claim to serve and obey their “good” God so that their peasants will grovel and serve their “good” authority.
Peasants Verses a King’s Authority
Consequently, the parent programs himself to serve his President, King or Tyrant in sacrificial war. The tyrannical Government promoting religion (the worship and servitude of God) gets the benefit.
Religion is primitive politics. Secular politicians use religion as an immoral back up to their assumed authority. When the peasants have “The Holy Spirit” and are willing to obey, tyranny will have its way. War is waged and the Biblical God’s appetite for blood and death is satisfied.
Religious believers are easily dominated due to their programmed addiction to authority, power and control. They seek authority and then they dispense it. It’s called “the chain of command”.
Many businesses and social organizations use religious prayers and oaths of allegiance to draw workers and members. The social organizations want participants who worshipfully, obediently and dependably contribute their time, talent, assets and money.
Clergy has modeled this profitable tactic for centuries. Clergy are con-men who pedal a false authority so an assumed authority can easily step in. Worshipful believers pray for an authority to follow and obey.
President George W. Bush promotes churches and clergy who pedal a false authority so that he, an assumed authority, can attempt to rule the World.
The God Game
Gary DeVaney: “The God Game” is the authority / obedience game. You can put the word AUTHORITY in the place of GOD and it will fit 100% of the time.
AUTHORITY
Fundamentalist Believer: Faith in God is not a game as God is real and God is the true authority!
G: Nobody is above the truth – and “faith” in an invisible, supernatural God presumes, in reality, to be above truth.
B: God is everything, in reality, and God is truth. Now you listen to me – through The Holy Spirit – I represent God.
G: Have you ever doubted or been critical of your beliefs?
B: Yes, in the beginning, like you, I was a low-life sinner. Then – through The Holy Spirit – I committed to my faith and to my beliefs. I still sin. I pray and repent. Unlike you, I am a saved soul!
G: Have you ever doubted or been critical of your beliefs since?
B: Never! I now realize that I have always been one of God’s “elect”.
G: Do you consider your belief to be rational?
B: God and the belief-in-God is beyond the rationale of man.
G: Do you seek other’s conformity or obedience to your belief?
B: Yes.
G: Why?
B: God and Jesus Christ ordered it in the Holy Bible.
G: Do you believe in superstition?
B: No!
G: Then, how do you believe in a God?
B: Because, the Biblical God is true reality.
G: Reality?
B: Christianity is not a religion. Christianity is a reality.
G: Are there any human beings you blindly follow and obey?
B: Yes. Those who preach God and Jesus Christ.
G: Do you want other human beings to blindly follow and obey you?
B: Yes.
G: Do you consider yourself to be an authority over other people?
B: Yes.
G: If so, what is your authority?
B: God – through Jesus Christ and The Holy spirit.
G: Who, besides yourself, enforces it?
B: Any saved, god-fearing believer.
G: Do you use God as a threat to enforce your authority?
B: Yes. The Holy Bible tells me to.
G: How do you feel that I don’t obey you or your God?
B: I feel that you are going to Hell! Praise God!
G: Would you send me to Hell?
B: I don’t have to – but if God didn’t – I would if I could.
G: Why?
B: For disobeying God – and me in God’s stead.
G: You would send me into “Eternal Torment” for that?
B: Yes.
G: Do you view that the “Eternal Torment” punishment fits the “disobedience” crime?
B: Yes.
G: Really? Why?
B: God set that criteria – I didn’t. God is perfect. I just obey God.
G: Have you ever killed non-virgin girls, gay men or disobedient sons like God’s Old Testament commands?
B: No – I don’t have to as God eliminated all those Old Testament commandments with the coming of Jesus Christ.
G: But, the Bible documents that God does not change and that Jesus said that He came to fulfill God’s law – not to change it.
B: You can only understand the Bible if you have The Holy Spirit. I am right and I am saved. You are wrong and you are going to Hell. You are persecuting Jesus Christ – and us Christians – when you don’t believe in, sacrifice, unify, conform and obey us. God knows everything. God already knows who will be saved to serve Him for eternity. I will no longer sow my pearls before swine. Goodbye and go to Hell!!!
God Formula
In reality, there is no evidence that the Biblical God exists. There is only evidence that “belief in God” exists.
The Belief in Allah Exists
The Belief in Heaven Exists
Believers Claim Pictures of God
All babies are born atheists.
You were born an atheist.
The first meaningful thing a baby gets from others, after mother’s milk, is a formula.
A baby has no language skills to formulate thoughts.
A baby reacts to its genetic feelings.
A mother feeding a dependent child becomes a child’s nurturing and saving God.
A father’s fearful and punishing authority makes the father an authority or God over the child.
The words “God” and “authority” are synonymous. Test it. Find “God” written anywhere – replace the word “God” with “authority” and it will fit 100% of the time.
The Question is the Highest Form of Thought
Parents introduce and create the one god for their child so that the child behaves when not supervised by the parents. The child is lied to by his or her frightened / insecure parents. The child is indoctrinated / trained / brainwashed to pretend to be supervised by the invisible God.
Behold: The God-fearing child – later to be – the God-fearing adult.
This is why people, normally not religious, get religious when starting a family. Religious, praying adults don’t outgrow the pretend. They continue setting the example for others to conform to. It gives them a sense of authority.
When a child learns words, thoughts then become organized and remembered.
Parents, schools, media, church and religious believers all reinforce “God” to a child.
To a child, god starts as an introduced thought – which amounts to the most “supernatural” human experience.
A child ponders the reinforced thought of God – which then becomes an idea.
Fears and pressures force a child to commit to the idea of God – which then becomes a belief.
A child develops an observable “Ego” – which is only observed during its conscious hours.
Ego / God both display the behaviors: I am the value, I am the authority, I am more important, and I am entitled. When a child cries, he or she is resisting authority or demanding to be the authority over his or her current reality. Ego and God are synonymous.
Through imagination, a child’s Ego attaches to a committed belief in God. After ego attachment, God becomes “sacred” to a child.
God becomes a reinforced, sacred imaginary character that the child’s Ego claims to be real.
Both ego and God tends to select categories in which both Ego and God try to be more than what they are.
Formula Conclusion
Whether a child grows up to be a believing Christian, a Jew, a Hindu or a Muslim, their Ego and their God have become synonymous.
A God-Fearing Child?
A Growing Up God-Fearing Adult?
That’s why they get angry when you question or take issue with their God. If you take issue with their God, they react as if you took issue with them.
Perspective: If any believer were severely tortured while demanded to describe their God, by the end of the torture, their description of their God would look just like them.
The concept of God is purely a psychological manifestation. Outside of an Ego-attached thought, idea or imagined belief, there is no evidence of any God existing in reality.
What one person, who you know, would be impacted if sent to this site?
The words “God” and “authority” are synonymous. Test it. Find “God” written anywhere – replace the word “God” with “authority” and it will fit 100% of the time.
Parents introduce and create the one god for their child so that the child behaves when not supervised by the parents. The child is trained to pretend to be supervised by the invisible God.
This is why people, normally not religious, get religious when starting a family. Religious, praying adults don’t outgrow the pretend.
They continue setting the example for others to conform to. It gives them a sense of authority.
When a child learns words, thoughts then become organized and remembered.
Parents, schools, media, church and religious believers all reinforce “God” to a child.
To a child, god starts as an introduced thought – which amounts to the most “supernatural” human experience.
A child ponders the reinforced thought of God – which then becomes an idea.
Fears and pressures force a child to commit to the idea of God – which then becomes a belief.
A child develops an observable “Ego” – which is only observed during its conscious hours.
Ego / God both display the behaviors: I am the value, I am the authority, I am more important, and I am entitled. When a child cries, he or she is resisting authority or demanding to be the authority over his or her current reality. Ego and God are synonymous.
Through imagination, a child’s Ego attaches to a committed belief in God. After ego attachment, God becomes “sacred” to a child.
God becomes a reinforced, sacred imaginary character that the child’s Ego claims to be real.
Both ego and God tends to select categories in which both Ego and God try to be more than what they are.
Revelation 2:10 Fear none of those things which thou shalt suffer: behold, the devil shall cast some of you into prison, that ye may be tried; and ye shall have tribulation ten days: be thou faithful unto death, and I will give thee a crown of life.
This infers that one should not fear God imposed suffering and that suffering is a virtue for God’s promise of an after-life crown. It indicates that God is being responsible for all of mankind’s suffering, tribulation, affliction, trouble, anguish, persecution, burden, and distress.
Deuteronomy 7:7 The LORD did not set his love upon you, nor choose you, (the Jews) because ye were more in number than any people; for ye were the fewest of all people.
This is documented C&V evidence that God does pick and choose favorites.
God: The First Corporation
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Gary DeVaney
God is the First Corporation?
A Corporation is a fictitious entity, with an agenda and bylaws. God is the first corporation. Like any Corporation, as long a people finance and support this fictitious entity referred to as God, It will continue to affect and control Its supporters as an assumed authority. Gary DeVaney
In God’s creation: Life is cannibalistic. Life devours life.
In God’s creation: For something to live – things must die. For something to live well – more things must die.
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Theists insist that we can not “judge” God. Because God is so much greater than we are, it is inappropriate for us to try to use our puny human reason to evaluate whether God’s actions are good or bad.
Do theists understand the implications of this position?
God does not exist in reality but – yes we can judge what God is said to be – just like we can judge history. The courts, made up of a jury of human beings, insist, by law, that we are to judge selected deeds.
How do you list “existence” as an attribute of God? Of course, believers think that their God exists.
The Laws of Nature – Not Gods – Control Everything in the Universe
What is at issue is how God exists.
According to philosophical theism, God exists in a very special and unique way.
Can you personally define that way?
God’s existence is necessary rather than contingent.
Nonsense. The God facade is only used to fulfill one’s ego-driven, self-serving, obedience-demanding agenda.
Can you define what is meant by the concept “God”?
Does your personal concept of God boil down and amount to an indefinable feeling? Without that indefinable feeling, would you have any concept of God? Yes? No?
You can’t debate the existence of something unless everyone is clear on what it is they are talking about. Otherwise, people might be talking about completely different things.
It’s common for Christians to compare the relationship between humanity and God to that between husband and wife.
God’s Behavior Towards Humans
1st Corinthians 11:3 The head of every man is Christ. The head of the woman is the man.
Paul said: Jesus is above a husband as a husband is above his wife
God is “the man of the house” to whom Humanity owes obedience, respect, worship, humility and honor. Usually, this relationship is idealistically portrayed as one of love and caring, but in far too many ways, God is more like a tyrannical, abusive spouse Who only knows how to love and care through intimidation, violence and murder. A review of classic signs and symptoms of spousal abuse reveals how abusive the “relationship” people have with God.
Theists believe in some sort of God while Atheists do not.
If believers are going to debate the existence of any gods, it’s critical to understand and accept just what it is they are talking about – and why they are talking about it.
What’s the point of debating the possible existence of God if no one has tried to come to an agreement as to what they mean by God?
If it is all a matter of faith, what does faith is God have to do with reality?
Discussing the nature, attributes, and character of a supposed God doesn’t make a whole lot of sense unless there is some reason to think that this God exists in the first place.
Isn’t discussing whether or not a God is omnipotent or omniscient just a waste of time – if we have no good reason to suppose it even exists?
Gods is of our creation – our universe, our world, and indeed our very selves.
We owe our existence to creative acts of God.
The existence of everything is owed to a single creative act by a single perfect God.
If God created something and it went extinct, did God error?
Over 99% of all species that ever lived on Planet Earth is now extinct. Concerning the unchanging God, how is this explained?
God is perfection and worthy of our worship.
These are reasons why the existence of God is the subject of so much debate.
Omnipotence, all-powerful, refers to God’s ability to do absolutely anything God wants.
This characteristic is implied from God’s characteristic as absolute creator.
The most absolute sense of omnipotent has been found to be incoherent.
Omnipotent?
Omnipotent: All-powerful: Possessing complete, unlimited, universal power and authority.
Omniscience: All-knowing. Refers to God’s ability to know absolutely everything.
God exists either outside of time, or God exists as part of time. This appears to be another definite, guaranteed maybe.
This sense of omniscience has been found to be incoherent.
The concept of Omni benevolence stems from two basic ideas of God:
That God is perfect and is morally good. God must possess perfect goodness.
Being perfectly good must entail being good in all ways at all times and towards all other beings.
There stirs the questions.
What is the content / behavior of that goodness?
What is the relationship between that goodness and God?
If something is good – good for who?
If something is good – can the same something be bad for someone else?
If the Biblical God exists and God is good – how can and why does evil and suffering exist?
If the Biblical God exists – is good and is all-powerful – how can evil and suffering exist?
If the Biblical God exists – is good and is all-knowing – how can evil and suffering exist?
The obvious answer must be: Evil exists because the Biblical God wants evil to exist.
If the all-powerful / all-knowing Biblical God wants evil and suffering to exist – then God is not good.
If the all-powerful / all-knowing Biblical God wants evil and suffering to exist – then God is evil.
If the Biblical God has to “test” us – then, God is not all-knowing.
Is the Biblical God “all-loving”?
The Biblical God is described to hate, to be jealous, to be damning, to give curses, to send evil, to send Death Angels, to murder, to send plagues, to do mass genocide and God threatens to send you and me into “Eternal Torment” if we do not totally love God and obey His insane tyranny.
The practicing Christian insists: But, God gave you “free-will”.
How does your “free-will” effect the myth that God “knows all”?
“Lacigreen” is one awesome Human Being. She explains religion and sex so well.
For some, God is a “person” as a necessary and fundamental part of their beliefs.
That God might not be a person is almost inconceivable for that would render them unable to adequately explain their religious history and their own religious experiences.
I support every human being’s right to have their own views and beliefs – as long as they do not imperialistically or authoritatively infringe them on others.
To the honest and realist human being – please be just and fair: If you are going to promote, support and finance the Biblical God, at least know what this God is documented, by Bible C&V, to have done.
Regards, Gary DeVaney
Richard Dawkins
Richard Dawkins: In many religions throughout history, gods have been portrayed as male and female, embodying important masculine and feminine attributes.
The tradition of philosophical theism has had difficulty with the issue of gender. Many people act as though God is male rather than female or genderless, but theologians argue that God is genderless. Why does this difference exist?
God is absolutely and perfectly free. There are no constraints, forces or limitations on God whenever God acts. God’s freedom is absolute.
God is eternal, everlasting, which means that God has existed through all of time.
If Jesus is to sit at the right hand of God, how can God sit next to Himself?
God is “timeless”. God exists outside of time and is not affected by cause and effect.
God is “timeless”
God is “provident”, which requires God to become involved with humanity and causes the course of human history to be aligned with God’s ultimate desires and purposes.
God has no body, is not constructed from matter or energy – both of which are features of the “created universe” rather than the “uncreated God.”
God is “immutable”. God cannot and does not change. Whatever God is like now is the way that God was for all of the past and the way God will be for all of the future. It doesn’t matter what happens elsewhere, God always and inevitably remains the same.
Why do people believe this? Does it make sense to say God cannot change?
God changes His mind and actions often in C&V scripture. Is this the same God?
A transcendent God is one who is beyond perception, independent of the universe, and wholly “other” when compared to us.
An immanent God is one which exists within – within us, within the universe, and much a part of our existence. How can these qualities exist simultaneously?
Conclusion: No God exists in reality.
The fantasy that Jesus is / was god is baseless. To believe that is to ignore a number of passages in the scriptures that say the opposite.
God cannot be tempted – the idea is absurd. Yet, Jesus was tempted in Matthew 4:1
God was also moved / tempted by Satan in Job 2 when God admitted to be responsible for the deaths of Job’s children and servants.
In “The Lord’s Prayer” believers pray to God by saying “lead us not into temptation”. Is it God or Satan that leads God-fearing believers into temptation? Why do believers pray to God to lead them not into temptation?
Yummy Temptation
God would not need to pray. Jesus not only prays privately, but fails to get what He wanted: Matthew 26:39-42-44.
A single unified God cannot forsake itself. Yet Jesus is forsaken: Matthew 27:46.
If someone wants to argue that he is quoting Psalm 22, fine, that Psalm also has the character it is about say that Jesus is less than a man, a mere worm. Would God refer to Himself as a worm?
God is the source not the receiver of authority. Jesus said He received authority: Matthew 28:14.
Jesus talks about God: Mark 3:35
Jesus said only God was good: Luke 18- 19
No one has ever seen God, but many saw Jesus: John 1:18
Jesus said the Father was greater than him; contrary to the trinity doctrine which clearly teaches that all members of the God-Head are coeternal and co-equal: John 14:28
Jesus admits he has a God: John 20:17
Paul did not believe in the Trinity because he said he served the same God as his Jewish ancestors and they did not believe in a God the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit: Acts 24:14
Paul states Jesus is between God and humans, therefore Jesus is not God: I Corinthians 3:23
Paul says the Father is God, and Jesus is a separate being: I Corinthians 8:5-6
Paul says Jesus has a God: II Corinthians 11:31
Paul again states that Jesus is the MEDIATOR between God and humans: I Timothy. 2:5-7
John says that no one has ever seen God if Jesus was God this would make no sense: I John 4:12
Taking certain passages out of context created the trinity doctrine.
One can see from John’s writing that Jesus is distinct from God, that Jesus has a God, and that no one ever saw God.
The verses taken out of context and even mistranslated are John 1:1, can be more accurately translated, in context, with this ending: and the Word was God’s. That translation places everything that follows into context compared to what a mistranslation said. IMO, the early Christians were so obsessed with the mystery religions that Jesus was invented to go along with it.
John 1:18 is mistranslated to make it appear that God begot God. If that is true, then Jesus was not coeternal and the whole Trinity doctrine comes crashing down.
John 8:58 is the most common verse taken out of context. In John, Jesus merely says: “I Am”, but when one goes back to check what is actually written in Exodus, one gets far more words:
Eheyeh asher eheyeh, translated it is I will be who I will be, or I Am that I Am. Jesus did not say in John, “I Am that I Am”. Therefore the apologetic is based on pulling a half sentence out of Exodus.
I Am That I Am
John 10:30 only means that Jesus and God were in agreement, this makes sense if he was doing the will of another and giving the message of another – something the New Testament asserts.
One need only look at John 10:30 in light of John 17:20-23 – are we supposed to believe that God now includes the apostles!
Col. 2:9 is made clear with Col 1:15-16; some people say I am the image of my father – but that does not make me my father.
There simply is no Trinity and to believe in one, one must ignore at least 15, in context, quotes from New Testament to the contrary.
Colossians 1:15: Jesus Christ is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of all creation…
Jesus Christ was created. Jesus Christ is not God.
The Trinity doctrine grew out of Asia, or more accurately the Roman province by that name. In II Tim 1:15 Paul complains that “all those in Asia turned away from me” and in Romans 1:21 that these heretics invented foolish notions about God. The Trinity easily is one of those foolish notions.
I Samuel 15:29 (GOD) The Strength of Israel will not lie nor repent: for He is not a man, that He should repent.
This Bible C&V claims that God never repents. The following C&Vs claim the opposite:
Genesis 6:6 It repented the Lord that He had made man on the Earth, and it grieved Him at His heart.
Would you agree that this Genesis C&V contradicts Samuel? If God is NOT a man, why would God need a heart?
Exodus 32:14 The Lord repented of the evil which He thought to do unto His people.
God does evil on people – even His chosen? How can a “perfect” God repent or be sorry about anything?
1 Samuel 15:35 The Lord repented that He had made Saul king over Israel.
1 Samuel 15:11 The Lord said, It repenteth Me that I have set up Saul to be king.
Jeremiah 26:3 That I the Lord God may repent of the evil, which I purpose
to do unto them because of the evil of their doings.
This C&Vs indicate that the Biblical God is often a sorry individual and an emotionally out of control Character.
Jeremiah 18:8 If that nation, against whom I have pronounced, turn from their evil, I will repent of the evil that I thought to do to them.
Jeremiah 42:10 For I repent of the evil that I have done to you.
This C&V concludes that after being sorry for thinking to do evil, God did the evil and was still sorry. This God cannot be credited to be in control of Himself let alone the entire World.
Also see: Deut. 32:36, Judges 2:18, 2 Sam. 24:16, 1 Chron 21:15, Psalm 106:45, Jer. 15:6, 18:10, 26:13, 26:19, Amos 7:3, 7:6, Jonah 3:9-10, Joel 2:13, and Hosea 11:8.
Sandra wrote: Here is the thing you do not understand, Gary.
Gary: Hi Sandra. OK. Let’s take a shot of trying to understand you.
S: and my hope is that one day will experience it for yourself: If I am asked, “how do you know God is real?” My answer is too simple to satisfy a man who refuses to consider the existence I know He (God) is real because I can feel Him.
G: Yes Sandra. Your “feeling” concerning your ego-attached God is all there is in reality.
S: Does that make me crazy to a man like you?
G: I was a licensed, ordained Christian minister for a short while and have been a therapist for over 30 years. No, you are not crazy in a dangerous way. You cause and reinforce your feeling because you want it. Nobody else is responsible for your feeling nor should they have to respect it, feed it nor worship it.
S: Probably… but there it is. I have seen His miracles in my life and the lives of others.
G: Can you describe one of these “miracles”? Is it supernatural or is it defined only within your feeling? Why do you find it necessary for others to feel your feeling? Don’t you find yourself insisting on it? We do.
S: I have witnessed firsthand the presence of the Holy Spirit and I have very literally felt the hand of God on my life.
G: Is there any evidence of this “presence” outside of your feeling? Other than your feeling, can you describe it?
S: I know this to be fact.
G: In reality, do you think that your fact / description would stand up in a court of law? Would a judge and jury in a court of law believe you?
S: As sure as I am breathing right now, I am that certain that God is with me.
G: We all accept that you can have a feeling. It’s the reality of your claims that we question. Do you realize that your expectation and desire that non-believers pretend to feel what you feel is not reasonable? You do know that you cannot make non-believers feel your feeling – don’t you. Do you believe that threats of consequence like Eternal Torment will win them over? Do you believe that Christians should threaten non-believers?
S: Your problem is that you are looking for proof in the wrong places and unless and until you begin to search for Him with an open and willing heart, then you’ll continue to be without Him…. just you and your books. And that’s a very sad existence if you ask me.
G: Open Heart? Typically, that is the romantic’s notion of feeling. Heart transplants prove that hearts are just pumps. Are you bias against Human Beings who do not share your feeling? Do you feel disrespected, not loved, when they don’t share your feeling? Do you lecture them and get angry at them when they honestly don’t feel it and they refuse to pretend to feel it just to please you? Do you also tend to put that obligation on men concerning your feeling of love? Did you say: And that’s a very sad existence if you ask me. I, for one, may agree with that, Sandra.
God / Ego is in Me!
Spiritual: The mystical connection / feeling between you and your influential genes that produces your choices and determines who or what you become. GWD
Judges 6:15-16 Gideon said to God: My family is the meanest in Manasseh, and I am the most significant in my father’s house. God said: I (God) will be with you and you will cut down Midian to the last man. Catholic
Judges 7:25 They carried the heads of Oreb and Zeeb to Gideon…
Judges 8:10 120,000 soldiers fell.
Judges 8:21 Gideon murdered prisoners Zebah and Zalmunna.
Judges 8:30 Gideon had 70 sons for he had many wives.
What a Godly, heroic guy!
Judges 8:24-27 Gideon asked for rings from the booty, made an idol and all of Israel paid idolatrous homage which caused the ruin of Gideon and his family as they did not follow God.
Isn’t this a parallel Bible story to Aaron, Moses’ brother, making the golden-calf idol from earrings?
God’s people always seem to abandon God in the end. God obviously does not choose His people well – and proves not to be liked for long by most of His followers.
This work has researched and documented a lot of information. It is bound to have made mistakes. I, Gary DeVaney, do not claim this work to be totally accurate, but, I do claim that any mistakes are honest mistakes. As its author / editor, I have no intention to deceive anyone. The Bible contradicts itself in many places so some “errors” may just be based on Its own numerous contradictions. Not all contradictions, by source, are listed. If you find an error please submit your Biblical evidence. Upon verification, it will be corrected. It does have to be chapter and verse to be considered. For the best source of identified Bible errancy and contradictions, get:
The Encyclopedia of Biblical Errancy by C. Dennis McKinsey.
The Encyclopedia of Biblical Errancy C. Dennis McKinsey
President George W. Bush claimed – on television that showed repeatedly world-wide – that God told him to attack Iraq – which killed and injured a million of Human Beings.
Qur’an 22:40 Permission to fight is given to those against whom war is made, because they have been wronged.
President George W. Bush wronged Iraq and Islam when he made a preemptive attack on Iraq in 2002 claiming that Iraq was behind 9-11, Iraq harbored terrorists, and that Iraq had weapons of mass destruction. Bush publicly announced on television that God told him to attack Iraq. Bush later publicly admitted that Iraq had nothing to do with 9-11. Bush often confessed that no weapons of mass destruction had been found by inspectors in Iraq.
(Some weapons and gas was found in Iraq that the US Government had given Saddam / Iraq to fight Iran years earlier.)
Interesting descriptions / perspectives around Qur’an 2:257-8: The Qur’an ensures universal freedom of conscience that remains free for people of all faiths and no faith. Those who still reject God can only be punished by God – no human being has that right.
1. Do you believe that President George W. Bush attacked Iraq?
2. Do you believe that God told President George W. Bush to attack Iraq?
3. Do you believe that God is in control and that God wanted these specified Human Beings injured and killed?
4. Does your “faith” have no limits?
This is Gary DeVaney. (Captain, USAR / ARNG – retired)
I have thought long and hard about it and have come to the evolving conclusion that:
“George W. Bush is the GREATEST leader that I have ever seen in my entire lifetime.”
President George W. Bush is responsible for over a million Iraqi deaths and injuries since he waged a pre-emptive war on a country that could not defend itself against the USA. His primary reasons for waging war on the Iraqis turned out to be bold-faced, blatant lies.
George W. Bush publicly claimed on world-television, for all to see, that God told him to attack Iraq.
Thomas Paine: My religion is to do good.
Moral Philosophies: “Do not do to another what you would not have another do to do”. “Do no harm”.
George W. Bush proved to be a tyrant who wanted dead those who compete against “US Corporate Interests”. If Bush could not break their wills – Bush proved to use military-might to kill them.
Obviously, President George W. Bush’s God / religion tells Bush to kill people who both God and Bush want dead.
Napoleon Bonaparte: Religion is excellent stuff for keeping common people quiet.
The United States of America certainly proves that.
God Told Me To Attack Iraq
In a Democracy – we elect our leaders to represent us – not to rule over us.
A Republic is governed by laws – not Gods or men.
Aristotle: A tyrant must put on the appearance of uncommon devotion to religion. Subjects are less apprehensive of illegal treatment from a ruler whom they consider god-fearing and pious. On the other hand, they do less easily move against him, believing that he has the gods on his side.
“The Greatest Leader” is the most effective leader whose “will” can successfully break, control or kill all other’s wills under all circumstances.
To date, that is exactly what President George W. Bush has successfully done. His “will” led, and he successfully got results through others who command his killing machine.
Who has been able to break George W. Bush’s will to end the illegal war that he was ordered by his “Corporate Masters” to start? Are those select Corporations puppets to the International Bankers?
Neither can Bush’s fellow Republicans stop him – even those Republicans who do have a conscience and do want to stop him.
Neither will the deceptive – proven to be wimpy – Democrats.
Certainly Bush’s chosen (oil-owning) enemy cannot break his will. Those solvent countries and their Governments will continue to die trying.
Up to now, Bush has successfully controlled the “power-wills” of the American people. Specifically, to date, he has controlled the will of the US Senate, the US Congress, the mainstream media, most US Christians and most of the wills of the prominent leaders of the rest of the World.
Bush operates as if the World is essentially America’s property – inconveniently inhabited by peasants squatting over Bush’s oil-fields.
Can you tell the World who will stop a US President – and at what price?
Seneca the Younger: Religion is regarded by the common people as true, by the wise as false, and by the rulers as useful.
George W. Bush’s government has become Adolf Hitler’s Nazi government – except, Bush HAS the weapons of mass destruction. He HAS the technology. He HAS the control of “space-command”. And, he GETS all of the International Banker’s money and backing that he asks for. He HAS all that he needs to do it all – whereby Hitler did not.
Nothing breaks or controls human wills faster than killing a million people. George W. Bush HAS accomplished that. Again, that heinous “accomplishment” fearfully controls most of the cowardly wills in the US Congress and Senate and most of the other prominent wills in leadership positions worldwide.
All previous US Presidents combined have borrowed about 1.01 trillion dollars up to the year 2000.
President George W. Bush alone HAS borrowed about 1.05 trillion dollars since the year 2000. (CNN News: 6-18-2007)
To make it perfectly clear, President George W. Bush HAS borrowed more money from the International Bankers than all the previous US Presidents have borrowed combined. That makes the International Bankers very happy because your children will be paying endless interest on the money that is being spent to fulfill their agenda.
By the way, I view that the International Bankers are the bosses of the Bush gang. Nobody dare know them or point the finger at them. To appeal to the child, the International Bankers are “The Wizard of OZ” that controls all from behind the curtain.
George W. Bush is the GREATEST leader I have ever seen. Like God, his will and deeds are not subject to law.
According to corporate-media-propaganda, his will indicates that the killing has just begun.
For anyone who thinks that it is too late to impeach – in Iraq – as of Jan 2008:
Every 10 minutes an Iraqi dies.
Every 10 hours a US soldier dies.
Every 10 days 2 BILLION US DOLLARS is lost to Bush’s illegal war.
This is the price we pay for not impeaching now, tomorrow, the next day, etc. etc. etc. etc. etc…..
Neither you nor I could break George W. Bush’s will to end the New World Order / One World Government / International Banker agenda. Have we all been beaten and are we all controlled by his agenda’s corrupt will? Is “free-will” over for America?
I do take issue with America:
I am embarrassed and angered by the imperialistic, murderous agendas and war-crimes of our US Government.
President George W. Bush said: “You are either with us or against us.”
I am against this President’s Government. President Barack Obama has continued Bush’s policies, therefore, I am against his Government also. I am a loyal patriot of the US Constitution and the Bill of Rights – but not to these treasonous Governments. I claim that Constitutional Law has been broken. This Government is killing and injuring millions of Human Beings to fulfill its international financial and political interests.
Under President George W. Bush the US military made a pre-empted attack on Iraq, a country that could not defend itself against the US military.
Later, George W. Bush publically admitted on world-wide television that Iraq had nothing to do with 9-11.
A million dead and injured Iraqis will get no justice concerning the murderous deeds of George W. Bush.
Bush attacked Afghanistan for its oil and to secure an oil pipeline claiming that we were fighting terrorism. Jesse Ventura claims that Lithium is abundant in Afghanistan.
In its quest for oil, and other valued natural resources, the US Government proves to have no respect for the rule of law.
The United States of America I knew and loved promoted Human Liberty and Human Rights.
Today, the US Government engages in illegal searches, wiretaps, false imprisonment, torture and it criminalizes free-speech – which is censorship. The USA has become the main God-like terrorist of the planet.
The US Government has set up secret torture dungeons and secret assassination “hit squads” that murder individuals all over the planet.
George W. Bush, Dick Cheney, Donald Rumsfeld, George Tenet, Condoleezza Rice, and even Colin Powel knew about and engaged in these illegal and insane activities. They were wrong, insane and evil. I stand against them and for a better America.
The politically insane have taken control of the Governmental asylum.
Not one of these high-ranking officers or the Bush administration has been held accountable.
The US Government no longer regards the law nor does it respect Human Rights.
The US Christian zealously protects George W. Bush instead of zealously prosecuting George W. Bushfor his war-crimes and blatant imperialism.
The Biblical God must be proud of His appointed leader, President George W. Bush, who may go down in history as THE GREATEST LEADER ever.
The US right to protest and “democracy” (majority-rule) does not exist in reality in the USA. They are virtues that are as phony as the “fair and just” Biblical God – and as phony as the “innocence” of George W. Bush.
If any US President fails to uphold portions of the US Constitution, I take side with the Constitution against that President.
We have lost our secular American Government – which is now becoming an all-consuming, religious and imperialistic monster.
Imperialistic Monster?
I am a US citizen – a retired reserve Army officer. I love my memory of the USA – but – I don’t recognize it anymore.
President George W. Bush’s big Government and military spending has caused the majority of US debt to be held by China. The dismantling and / or demise of The United States Of America, as we know it, may be in the works. Christian, faith-laden, authority-worshippers are doing nothing to prevent it. For the US Christian believers it is: My God / My President / My Country – right or wrong.
Time has passed. President Barack Obama had made moral, humane promises to the American people that, once in office, Obama blatantly broke. President Barack Obama turned from Democrats to Republican in that he upheld, extended and strengthened George W. Bush’s military policies and Bush’s wars. Barack Obama was re-elected for a second term as President of the United States. I am confident that Republican corporations voted him in.
On our planet, there exists a “might makes right” / God promoting Government that terrorizes the rest of the world – and it is US.
If other Governments – of other sovereign countries – do not bend to the US Government’s imperialistic will – the US proves to kill them.
My Regrets,
Gary DeVaney – Captain USAR retired.
5/19/2012 Concerning the killing of Osama Bin Laden, there is an interesting difference between Bush and Obama. If the Bush administration didn’t like somebody, they took them to torture chambers. If the Obama administration doesn’t like somebody, they murder them. Noam Chomsky
The Governments of Viet-Nam, Iraq, and Afghanistan did not obey US so look what we did to them. I am a retired US Reserve Army Officer (1961-83). I also am guilty of “influencing” just a little. I was wrong. Think about it. Our US foreign policy is and has been since WWII: Obey US and adhere to our interests or we will kill you. We don’t welcome competition. We wage heartless war to fulfill our interests. We develop might-makes-right war technology to have our way. We murder by remote control. Ever since the extermination of the American Indians – in order to steal their lands – we have been and we are wrong.
I personally blame the Biblical God model. This insane, monstrous God chose about 3 million people who He led out of Egypt to murder over 60 cities – men, women and children – in order to steal their land for His “chosen”. What a God! What a model. The US Government has become this monstrous God to the Human victims of this world. I won’t miss, due to age, having to watch much more of this primitive evil.
Authority makes laws to only serve and to protect authority. The rich and powerful are immune to US civil and criminal law. District Attorneys and higher courts decide not to try their cases.
(Example: George W. Bush and Barack Obama both illegally murdered selected Human Beings with Drones. Congress later passed laws to make it legal.)
Justice for the citizen does not exist when laws protect authority, the rich and the powerful. “Too big to fail” corporations are mostly immune to civil and criminal justice.
“National Security” proves to be “Government Cover-up”. Fear-based authority worshippers support authoritative government cover-up. To demonize truthful “whistleblowers”, who expose U.S. Government corruption and murder, proves that “blind justice” no longer exists in the USA – especially concerning our U.S. Government.
Regrets, Gary DeVaney
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50 Reasons You Despised George W. Bush’s Presidency: A Reminder on the Day of His Presidential Library Dedication
He’s one of the worst presidents ever.
April 24, 2013
On Thursday, President Obama and all four living ex-presidents will attend the dedication of the $500 million George W. Bush Presidential Library at Southern Methodist University in Dallas, Texas. Many progressives will remember Bush as a contender for the “worst president ever,” saying he more aptly deserves a multi-million-dollar prison cell for a litany of war crimes.
Amazingly, the Bush library seeks to ask visitors “What would you have done?” if you were in this president’s shoes. The ex-president’s defenders are betting that the public will reconsider their judgments after a hefty dose of historical amnesia. Bush has been absent from political debates in recent years, instead making millions in private speeches. Today, his popularity is even with Obama’s; both have 47 percent approval rating.
Let’s look at 50 reasons, some large and some small, why W. inspired so much anger:
1. He stole the presidency in 2000. People may forget that Republicans in Florida purged more than 50,000 African-American voters before Election Day, and then went to the Supreme Court where the GOP-appointed majority stopped a recount that would have awarded the presidency to Vice-President Al Gore if all votes were counted. National news organizations verified that outcome long after Bush had been sworn in.
2. Bush’s lies started in that race. Bush ran for office claiming he was a “ uniter, not a divider.” Even though he received fewer popular votes than Gore, he quickly claimed he had the mandate from the American public to push his right-wing agenda.
3. He covered up his past. He was a party boy, the scion of a powerful political family who got away with being a deserter during the Vietnam War. He was reportedly AWOL for over a year from his assigned unit, the Texas Air National Guard, which other military outfits called the “Champagne Division.”
4. He loved the death penalty. As Texas governor from 1995-2000, he signed the most execution orders of any governor in U.S. history—152 people, including the mentally ill and women who were domestic abuse victims. He spared one man’s life, a serial killer.
5. He was a corporate shill from Day 1. Bush locked up the GOP nomination by raising more campaign money from corporate boardrooms than anyone at that time. He lunched with CEOs who would jet into Austin to “educate” him about their political wish lists.
6. He gutted global political progress. He pulled out of the Kyoto Protocol which set requirements for 38 nations to lower greenhouse gas emissions to combat climate change, saying that abiding by the agreement would “harm our economy and hurt our workers.”
7. He embraced global isolationism. He withdrew from the 1972 Anti-Ballistic Missile Treaty, over Russia’s protest, taking the U.S. in a direction not seen since World War I.
8. He ignored warnings about Osama bin Laden. He ignored the Aug. 6, 2001 White House intelligence briefing titled, “Bin Laden determined to strike in the U.S.” Meanwhile, his chief anti-terrorism advisor, Richard Clarke, and first Treasury Secretary, Paul O’Neill, testified in Congress that he was intent on invading Iraq within days of becoming president.
9.Ramped up war on drugs, not terrorists. The Bush administration had twice as many FBI agents assigned to the war on drugs than fighting terrorism before 9/11, and kept thousands in that role after the terror attacks.
10. “My Pet Goat.” He kept reading a picture book to grade-schoolers for seven minutes after his top aides told him that the World Trade Centers had been attacked in 9/11. Then Air Force One flew away from Washington, D.C., vanishing for hours after the attack.
11. Squandered global goodwill after 9/11. Bush thumbed his nose at world sympathy for the victims of the September 11, 2001 attacks, by declaring a global war on terrorism and declaring “you are either with us or against us.”
12. Bush turned to Iraq not Afghanistan. The Bush administration soon started beating war drums for an attack on Iraq, where there was no proven Al Qaeda link, instead of Afghanistan, where the 9/11 bombers had trained and Osama bin Laden was based. His 2002 State of the Union speech declared that Iraq was part of an “Axis of Evil.”
13. Attacked United Nation weapons inspectors. The march to war in Iraq started with White House attacks on the credibility of U.N. weapons inspectors in Iraq, whose claims that Saddam Hussein did not have nuclear weapons proved to be true.
14. He flat-out lied about Iraq’s weapons. In a major speech in October 2002, he said that Saddam Hussein had the capacity to send unmanned aircraft to the U.S. with bombs that could range from chemical weapons to nuclear devices. “We cannot wait for the final proof—the smoking gun—that could come in the form of a mushroom cloud,” he said.
15. He ignored the U.N. and launched a war. The Bush administration tried to get the U.N. Security Council to authorize an attack on Iraq, which it refused to do. Bush then decided to lead a “preemptive” attack regardless of international consequences. He did not wait for any congressional authorization to launch a war.
16. Abandoned international Criminal Court. Before invading Iraq, Bush told the U.N. that the U.S. waswithdrawing from ratifying the International Criminal Court Treaty to protect American troops from persecution and to allow it to pursue preemptive war.
17. Colin Powell’s false evidence at U.N. The highly decorated soldier turned Secretary of State presented false evidence at the U.N. as the American mainstream media began its jingoistic drumbeat to launch a war of choice on Saddam Hussein and Iraq.
18. He launched a war on CIA whistleblowers. When a former ambassador, Joseph C. Wilson, wrote a New York Times op-ed saying there was no nuclear threat from Iraq, the White House retaliated by leakingthe name and destroying the career of his wife, Valerie Plame, one of the CIA’s top national security experts.
19. Bush pardoned the Plame affair leaker. Before leaving office, Bush pardoned the vice president’s top staffer, Scooter Libby, for leaking Plame’s name to the press.
20. Bush launched the second Iraq War. In April 2003, the U.S. military invaded Iraq for the second time in two decades, leading to hundreds of thousands of civilian deaths and more than a million refugees as a years of sectarian violence took hold on Iraq. Nearly 6,700 U.S. soldiers have died in the Iraq and Afghan wars.
21. Baghdad looted except for oil ministry. The Pentagon failure to plan for a military occupation and transition to civilian rule was seen as Baghdad was looted while troops guarded the oil ministry, suggesting this war was fought for oil riches, not terrorism.
22. The war did not make the U.S. safer. In 2006, a National Intelligence Estimate (a consensus report of the heads of 16 U.S. intelligence agencies) asserted that the Iraq war had increased Islamic radicalism and had worsened the terror threat.
23. U.S. troops were given unsafe gear. From inadequate vests from protection against snipers toHumvees that could not protect soldiers from roadside bombs, the military did not sufficiently equip its soldiers in Iraq, leading to an epidemic of brain injuries.
24. Meanwhile, the war propaganda continued. From landing on an aircraft carrier in a flight suit todeclare “mission accomplished” to surprising troops in Baghdad with a Thanksgiving turkey that was a table decoration used as a prop, Bush defended his war of choice by using soldiers as PR props.
25. He never attended soldiers’ funerals. For years after the war started, Bush never attended a funeral even though as of June 2005, 144 soldiers (of the 1,700 killed thus far) were laid to rest in Arlington National Cemetary, about two miles from the White House.
26. Meanwhile, war profiteering surged. The list of top Bush administration officials whose former corporate employers made billions in Pentagon contracts starts with Vice-President Dick Cheney and Halliburton, which made $39.5 billion, and included his daughter, Liz Cheney, who ran a $300 million Middle East partnership program.
27. Bush ignored international ban on torture. Suspected terrorists were captured and tortured by the U.S. military in Baghdad’s Abu Gharib prison, in the highest profile example of how the Bush White House ignored international agreements, such as the Geneva Convention, that banned torture, and created a secret system of detention that was unmasked when photos made their way to the American media outlets.
28. Created the blackhole at Gitmo and renditions. The Bush White House created the offshore military prison at Guantanamo Bay, Cuba, as well as secret detention sites in eastern Europe to evade domestic and military justice systems. Many of the men still jailed in Cuba were turned over to the U.S. military by bounty hunters.
29. Bush violated U.S. Constitution as well. The Bush White House ignored basic civil liberties, most notably by launching a massive domestic spying program where millions of Americans’ online activities were monitored with the help of big telecom companies. The government had no search warrant or court authority for its electronic dragnet.
30. Iraq war created federal debt crisis. The total costs of the Iraq and Afghan wars will reach between $4 trillion and $6 trillion, when the long-term medical costs are added in for wounded veterans, a March 2013report by a Harvard researcher has estimated. Earlier reports said the wars cost $2 billion a week.
31. He cut veterans’ healthcare funding. At the height of the Iraq war, the White House cutfunding for veterans’ healthcare by several billion dollars, slashed more than one billion from military housing and opposed extending healthcare to National Guard families, even as they were repeatedly tapped for extended and repeat overseas deployments.
32. Then Bush decided to cut income taxes. In 2001 and 2003, a series of bills lowered income tax rates, cutting federal revenues as the cost of the foreign wars escalated. The tax cuts disproportionately benefited the wealthy, with roughly one-quarter going to the top one percent of incomes compared to 8.9% going to the middle 20 percent. The cuts were supposed to expire in 2013, but most are still on the books.
33. Assault on reproductive rights. From the earliest days of his first term, the Bush White House led a prolonged assault on reproductive rights. He cut funds for U.N. family planning programs, barred military bases from offering abortions, put right-wing evangelicals in regulatory positions where they rejected new birth control drugs, and issued regulations making fetuses—but not women—eligible for federal healthcare.
34. Cut Pell Grant loans for poor students. His administration froze Pell Grants for years and tightened eligibility for loans, affecting 1.5 million low-income students. He also eliminated other federal job training programs that targeted young people.
35. Turned corporations loose on environment. Bush’s environmental record was truly appalling, starting with abandoning a campaign pledge to tax carbon emissions and then withdrawing from the Kyoto Protocol on greenhouse gases. The Sierra Club lists 300 actions his staff took to undermine federal laws, from cutting enforcement budgets to putting industry lobbyists in charge of agencies to keeping energy policies secret.
36.. Said evolution was a theory—like intelligent design. One of his most inflammatory comments was saying that public schools should teach that evolution is a theory with as much validity as the religious belief in intelligent design, or God’s active hand in creating life.
37. Misguided school reform effort. Bush’s “No Child Left Behind” initiative made preparation for standardized tests and resulting test scores the top priority in schools, to the dismay of legions of educators who felt that there was more to learning than taking tests.
38. Appointed flank of right-wing judges. Bush’s two Supreme Court picks—Chief Justice John Roberts and Associate Justice Samuel Alito—have reliably sided with pro-business interests and social conservatives. He also elevated U.S. District Court Judge Charles Pickering to an appeals court, despite his known segregationist views.
39. Gutted the DOJ’s voting rights section. Bush’s Justice Department appointees led a multi-year effort to prosecute so-called voter fraud, including firing seven U.S. attorneys who did not pursue overtly political cases because of lack of evidence.
40. Meanwhile average household incomes fell. When Bush took office in 2000, median household incomes were $52,500. In 2008, they were $50,303, a drop of 4.2 percent, making Bush the only recent two-term president to preside over such a drop.
41. And millions more fell below the poverty line. When Bill Clinton left office, 31.6 million Americans were living in poverty. When Bush left office, there were 39.8 million, according to the U.S. Census, an increase of 26.1 percent. The Census said two-thirds of that growth occurred before the economic downturn of 2008.
42. Poverty among children also exploded. The Census also found that 11.6 million children lived below the poverty line when Clinton left office. Under Bush, that number grew by 21 percent to 14.1 million.
43. Millions more lacked access to healthcare. Following these poverty trends, the number of Americans without health insurance was 38.4 million when Clinton left office. When Bush left, that figure had grown by nearly 8 million to 46.3 million, the Census found. Those with employer-provided benefits fell every year he was in office.
44. Bush let black New Orleans drown. Hurricane Katrina exposed Bush’s attitude toward the poor. He didn’t visit the city after the storm destroyed the poorest sections. He praised his Federal Emergency Management Agency director for doing a “heck of a job” as the federal government did little to help thousands in the storm’s aftermath and rebuilding.
45. Yet pandered to religious right. Months before Katrina hit, Bush flew back to the White House to sign a bill to try to stop the comatose Terri Schiavo’s feeding tube from being removed, saying the sanctity of life was at stake.
46. Set record for fewest press conferences. During his first term that was defined by the 9/11 attacks, he had the fewest press conferences of any modern president and had never met with the New York Timeseditorial board.
47. But took the most vacation time. Reporters analyzing Bush’s record found that he took off 1,020 days in two four-year terms—more than one out of every three days. No other modern president comes close. Bush also set the record for the longest vacation among modern presidents—five weeks, the Washington Postnoted.
48. Karl Rove, Dick Cheney, Donald Rumsfeld. Not since Richard Nixon’s White House and the era of the Watergate burglary and expansion of the Vietnam War have there been as many power-hungry and arrogant operators holding the levers of power. Cheney ran the White House; Rove the political operation for corporations and the religious right; and Rumsfeld oversaw the wars.
49. He’s escaped accountability for his actions. From Iraq war General Tommy Franks’ declaration that “we don’t do body counts” to numerous efforts to impeach Bush and top administration officials—primarily over launching the war in Iraq—he has never been held to account in any official domestic or international tribunal.
50. He may have stolen the 2004 election as well. The closest Bush came to a public referendum on his presidency was the 2004 election, which came down to the swing state of Ohio. There the GOP’s voter suppression tactics rivaled Florida in 2000 and many unresolved questions remain about whether the former GOP Secretary of State altered the Election Night totals from rural Bible Belt counties.
Any bright spots? Conservatives will lambaste lists like this for finding nothing good about a president like W. So, yes, he created the largest ocean preserve offshore from Hawaii in his second term. And in his final year in office, his initiative to fight AIDS across Africa has been credited with saving many thousands of lives. But on balance, George W. Bush was more than eight years of missed opportunities for America and the world. He was a disaster, leaving much of America and the world in much worse shape than when he took the oath of office in 2001. His reputation should not be resurrected or restored or seen as anything other than what it was.
May 25th 2014: My main issue with Barack Obama is that he should be in prison along with Bush and Cheney for war crimes – specifically his drone attacks that have murdered numerous Human Beings in numerous countries. Judged properly, under US Constitutional law, the Geneva Convention and International Law, Obama’s “judge and jury” deeds would put him in prison. I swore to defend the US Constitution. (Retired Reserve Army Officer)
Steven Rosenfeld covers democracy issues for AlterNet and is the author of “Count My Vote: A Citizen’s Guide to Voting” (AlterNet Books, 2008).
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Genesis 6:7-10 God decides, except for (8 people) Noah, his wife, (who?) his sons Shem, Ham and Japheth and their wives Who? Who? and Who? and some of each kind of animals, God would murder every living thing on the face of the Earth.
There is no equality with the Biblical God. God does not acknowledge women – even in Noah’s Family.
If the Biblical God is a jealous God and if there is but one God, no other Gods to be jealous of, what is going on here? Insanity? Paranoia? Sensitive ego? Schizophrenia? Is this God good? Moral? Loving? Fair? Sane? Does God perform evil for His own pleasure? Based on selected, controversial Bible C&Vs, the Biblical God is obviously evil, not in control, and seems quite ignorant compared to His reputation.
Did Noah leave any daughters behind to drown in the flood? How come Mrs. Noah has no name and says nothing? Was she angry with Noah, God and the whole setup? How much Human sensitivity and conscience does it take to object to how the “know-it-all, in-control” Biblical God handled the murderous destruction of His creation?
By dealing with these questions and maybe some of your own, do you feel fear? Yes, we have been programmed Eternal-Torment, but we were also programmed that this was a God of love. Do you see any love here? Granted, for you to study this does take courage. I salute those who can do it.
Intellect: The speed and accuracy of perceiving and understanding things. The ability to perceive relations and differences; intellect is distinguished outside of will and feeling.
If one emotionally does “not want” to make sense of things, one’s intelligence can definitely be affected by the feelings that make up his or her attitude and behavior. Some people’s identifiable feelings and emotional intensity simply let them down.
Genesis 6:6-14 The Biblical God said to Noah: Every living substance I have made, I will destroy from off the face of the Earth. Everything that is in the Earth shall die.
What a model! If we are all God’s children, does this not qualify for child-abuse? Isn’t God clearing out “corrupt genes” that He, God Himself, created? Does it not take an imperfect creator to create something imperfect? Haven’t Human fathers murdered their own beloved children due to their egocentric disappointments?
Genesis 7:2 God ordered Noah: Of every clean animal, take seven (7) pairs each, male and its mate aboard the ark; of unclean animals, take one (1) pair each.
Seven (7) pairs! Surprised? And one thinks one knows one’s Bible.
The “clean” animals are the animals God allows Humans to eat.
Genesis 7:13 Noah, his (1) wife, his sons Shem, Ham, and Japheth and their three (1) wives each entered the ark.
Wouldn’t you think that the God-chosen mothers of all mankind would be important enough to be named? But – Nooo!!!
The Bible documents the total of 8 Human Beings.
God murders the rest of His Human creation. Was “The Sons of God” having sex and children with God’s creation on Earth the reason God murdered almost all the lifeforms on Earth?
Genesis 7:21-23 All creatures, outside the ark, that stirred on Earth God murdered by drowning.
Outside The Arc – God Murdered All Living Things by Drowning.
Who, right here, proves to be Man’s and animal’s greatest adversary? Are these deeds moral, fair, loving? “Good God” drowns all those living organisms. Man, obviously, has the power to give this God of the Universe enough pain to motivate this cruelest of all deeds. Frustrated babies behave better. In your Bible, has there been any mention of an evil Devil or any murderous Satan, yet? The Hebrews of the Torah believed that God did it all.
Revelation 4:11 God creates mankind for His own pleasure than destroys men, women and their babies when He wasn’t pleased. KJV
Wasn’t God’s own pleasure at the expense and the suffering and deaths of others? Is this God’s success model that God left for Human egos to follow and to emulate?
Burt Visotzky: I am a Rabbi and I have a vested interest in promoting rabbinical tradition. I recognize that friendliness to women is not part of our tradition.
Wow Rabbi Visotzsky! That’s a “smoking” dose of reality.
Rabbi Burton Visotzky: God claims His creation is good then realized it wasn’t so good. God destroys His creation and starts all over again. God was dissatisfied in Himself. God tries something. It isn’t right. He destroys it and tries again.
So, Rabbi Visotzky, are you saying that “Know-It-All” God was experimenting?
So, if God can not error – then – the Biblical God is not God?
Gene Roddenberry: We must question the flood-story logic of having an all-knowing, all-powerful God who creates faulty Humans and then blames them for His Own mistakes.
Thank you, Gene Roddenberry!
I’m still wondering if The Sons of God were responsible for their old man going bat-shit crazy and murdering almost all if His creation.
Schopenhauer alluded to an infant god who walked away from his first infantile creation; a tottering, senile god who later died.
Could the Biblical God, who destroyed His creation, have been ashamed of His performance? Was God’s mind warped to take His Own failure out on His creation? God did repent. Why would an all-knowing and perfect God repent?
Was the Biblical God one of compassion? Did God show that He cared anything about the screaming, horrified mothers or the crying of their babies or the panic of all the drowning animals? No! God just complains about His disappointment, then carries out a murderous vengeance by destroying almost every life-form He had made. The kicker is: With the sacrifice of all those lives, God still failed to destroy evil. Was the Biblical God, Himself, the evil? These Hebrews believed their God did it all. No Satan, no afterlife, no Heaven, no Hell, no sin, no savior, they believed nothing that later Christianity taught.
Karen Armstrong – former nun and writer: God (in Genesis) is an undeveloped child. He doesn’t know what He is doing. He has got to grow up and learn like the rest of us how to relate to other people.
Thank you: Former Nun – Karen Armstrong.
What kind of God creates this kind of history? Any “animal-abuse” here? So far, God did not prove to play well with others.
Did God not love the other people – the people He drowned? Are believers protective of this God? If yes, why? Isn’t it really due to their fear of Him? Knowing what the Biblical God did, do you love Him? Do you want to obey, worship, promote, support and pay 10% in tithes to this cruel God for life?
Question: There was a Jew, a Christian, a Buddhist, a Hindu, a Sikh, and a Muslim. Which one did God choose to save?
Christian Believer: Oh! Oh! Me! I’ve got this one: The Christian!
Then why did God create Jews, Buddhists, Hindus, Sikhs, and Muslims?
Is the Bible story of the flood where God wiped out all but 8 Human Beings just a fictitious myth?
Do you feel that a real god did that or is the writer just inventing a fictitious god for some reason?
There is one word that you can erase the word GOD and it will fit 100% of the time. That word is AUTHORITY. Test it: May Authority be with you. Authority damn you.
Is the intent of the flood story to make Human Beings God-fearing? Don’t Tyrants, Authoritarians and bullies want their inferiors to grovel and serve them on their terms? The flood story, real or not, serves this agenda. Rulers and leaders of countries get the benefit of their subjects worshiping Authority. If they can get a subject to worship and pay tithes to a false authority, then an assumed authority can more easily step in and receive the benefit of all that practiced worship and sacrifice.
Religion is the training and practice of worshiping authority.
That is why authoritative governments, parents and bullies want religion to exist.
Why would wannabe authoritarians create / invent an evil, murderous Authority who demands obedience? Maybe “Religion” is just Primitive Politics? And clergy were the wannabe bosses? Did clergy become the “Assumed Authority” to invent a “feared” God?
After the flood, did Humanity, Noah’s family, have to practice incest?
Isn’t everybody Hebrew? Where did Gentiles originate? Were there oriental and black Human Beings on the Arc?
Was “The Creator” psychologically and / or morally impaired?
Do these basic questions have answers? Can or will you answer them if your child asks you?
Genesis 8:3-4 At the end of 150 days, the waters diminished, and the ark landed on Mount Ararat.
Our feelings – we sometimes can’t really control – but behavior – under the law – we must control. For believers who worship the Biblical God, hurt feelings, due to knowing God’s behavior /character, are understandable. However, murderous behavior is criminal, illegal, immoral and unacceptable. Did the Biblical God’s feelings let Him down to do such heinous things to mankind? Did you ever make serious mistakes because your feelings let you down? You don’t scratch your butt without a felling, you know.
O harken and behold: Gary DeVaney’s one and only attempt at poetry.
“Emotions are the music of the genes.
Feelings are the identifiable notes.
Attitude makes up the composition.
Behavior presents the performance.”
Finis
Genesis 8:20-21 Noah built an altar and chose one from every clean animal and clean bird to sacrifice to God. God smelled the sweet odor of burning flesh and said to Himself: Since man’s desires are evil from the start, never again will I doom the Earth because of him.
Here is absolute evidence that Noah could not have taken only one pair of animals each aboard the arc. If there were only one pair each, any sacrifice would eliminate a species.
Can’t this God’s desires and behavior be judged evil from the start? Why are people afraid that this God will end Earth due to them. It says right here – God will not. Don’t they trust “God’s word”?
Mind-set believers usually declare: I don’t want to talk about the facts. I believe. I have faith and I want to only talk about the way I feel the facts should be. I want to have faith, to pray, to believe which are my ways to “WILL things into reality”. Most clergy – under the influence of the Apostle Paul – sell this irrational faith and belief model. Have you ever tried to “will things into reality”? Donald Trump does it all the time.
The Bible is a guidebook that comes across as often in error – but – never in doubt.
Donald Trump does that too.
C. Dennis McKinsey: If apologists can have running commentaries on each Bible chapter by chapter; verse by verse, why can’t we?
Dennis was my mentor. I was on his panel fielding Bible questions from write-ins world-wide during the 1990s up to his death in 2009.
Later, as we shall see, Noah, Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob, with whom God covenants (forms partnerships) practice incest, adultery and polygamy. They murder, steal, lie, deceive, deal in slavery, and impregnate their slaves. Suddenly, there are people-a-plenty. Cities and nations are everywhere. For “sins”, the Biblical God punishes innocent Humans and has the most flawless and perfect animals sacrificed to Him. God murders others by war and disease.
Question: When you pray for something, are you telling the Biblical God that you are dissatisfied with God’s blessings? Aren’t you trying to tell God how to run His business to better suit you? Aren’t you also really trying to “will things into reality”?
In accordance with the words of the Bible, the God of creation seems “most intelligent” to be able to make the Solar System, including Earth and its life-forms. But, considering the very words that make up the stories, does the Biblical God’s attitudes, characteristics, and deeds show intelligence concerning His ability to run the business of dealing fairly or successfully with the life-forms that He supposedly created on Earth?
The Biblical God Created the Solar System?
In the book of Genesis, was the Biblical God incapable to get creation right the first time, or was God sinister by doing all this destruction “all for His own pleasure”? Was this God “evil” by creating, enjoying, and feeding on the physical and emotional pain, horror, and terror. Wasn’t God guilty of all the murdering and the sacrifices depicted in these Torah / Old Testament stories?
God, to have the flood that murdered all but a few life-forms, had to be frustrated. He couldn’t control things so like a child with a temper tantrum He destroyed everything.
Is this a God who rules by trial and error? By what merit does the myth that God is infallible, omnipotent, all-knowing competent God come from? Certainly not from these Bible stories. God seems Human, deeply flawed and unsure of what’s happening. When things consistently do not go God’s way – God consistently murders.
What kind of Human Beings likes the fact that the Biblical God drowns almost all of His creation and their babies?
Karen Armstrong: I’m sorry. I can’t see the rainbow without also seeing the bloated bodies and the animals and the mud. I take away from the story the idea of a developing God. We start off with an infantile God knocking down His sandcastles – a regretful God Who learns maturity and, in the process, brutalizes Humanity – which then passes on the burden of suffering to other people.
Carol Gilligan, PhD. Professor / Psychologist: This is an imperfect God because God makes the same mistakes, again and again, like people do.
Genesis 9:1-3 God said to Noah and his sons: Be fruitful and multiply. All the animals, birds and creatures will dread and fear you. Every creature that is alive, I shall give you to eat.
God said: All the animals, birds and creatures will dread and fear you.
God wants His other creations to dread and fear you? Would something good or something evil promote dread and fear? Is the Bible – God’s terrorist handbook?
Genesis 9:21-27 Noah got drunk and was naked. Noah’s son, Ham, saw Noah and told his brothers Shem and Japheth. They walked backwards and not looking at naked Noah, covered him. When Noah awoke, he cursed Canaan (Ham’s son) to be a slave.
Ham Uncovered Noah’s Nakedness?
Noah cursed Ham’s son, Noah’s grandson, Canaan to be a slave? What? Would righteous Noah’s “loving” God condone slavery? So, whose idea was it to create slavery? No Satan nor devil has been invented nor mentioned yet.
Again, the first Old Testament mention of Satan was in its 13th book: 1st Chronicles 21:1 Satan stood against “God’s Chosen” Israel. Satan proved to be an adversary but also a partner serving God as evident in Job 2:3. Did you know that Satan succeeded at tempting God?
Is this the Bible’s first example of a cover-up to protect someone who is in authority? Noah is naked and drunk. Ham sees this and reports it to his brothers. They literally back in, not looking, and cover-up Noah’s condition and nakedness, as it is written.
Believer: This model demands: Don’t ever say anything negative against authority! You, Gary Devaney should take this advice!
Some believers do not like my taking issue with the controversial C&Vs of the Bible. My bad.
Genesis 9:24-28 Noah woke up from his drunkenness and said: Cursed be Canaan, the lowest of slaves shall he be to his brothers. Let Canaan be God’s slave. Catholic
Wasn’t Canaan Ham’s son? Why would Noah curse Ham’s son – Noah’s own grandson?
Guess what! Later, “The Land of Canaan” ultimately become “The Promised Land”?
Did not the Biblical God later order His “chosen” Jews to murder every man, woman and child of the inhabitants of The Land of Canaan / The Promised Land so to steal their land?
There is no evidence of any curse of Ham. Why is there any curse at all?
Oops! Check this out:
Pastor Arnold Murray preaches that according to Leviticus 20:11 Ham had sex and impregnated his own mother – and that produced Canaan. Noah cursed Canaan because Canaan was Ham’s son by Noah’s wife, Ham’s mother.
Wow! Leave it to Pastor Murray. However, Murray is correct. Leviticus 20:11 states: To uncover your father’s nakedness is to have sex with his wife, your mother. It is one of God’s 613 commandments of what not to do.
Ah, Pastor Murray had some unusual preaching moments, and they are all on tape. You can still buy them from Pastor Dennis Murray.
Genesis 9:28 Noah died at 950 years of age.
Was the Biblical God’s agenda: Obey Me – which you can’t – so I can punish you with murder, pain, deception, the flood, and sacrifice? Didn’t God’s agenda eventually evolve, for Humanity, into after-death “Judgment Day” and “Eternal Torment”? Didn’t the Biblical God orchestrate the torture and crucifixion of His Son, Jesus Christ, so that “Judgment Day” and “Eternal Torment” could become the future for lost souls? Didn’t Jesus use the threat of “Eternal-Torment” to demand obedience to God and Jesus?
Was God a sadist who, throughout the Old Testament, inflicted pain and death upon helpless creatures?
Didn’t God repent for creating mankind?
Didn’t God then insist that His creation brought all it upon themselves?
Hummm. A political tactic: Blame the opposition of exactly what you are guilty of.
Did God really create us Human Beings in God’s image?
Is murder, theft and deception our God created Human nature?
If yes, did God, in all His wisdom, create our genetic nature?
Does God punish or save those of us who succeed at becoming like God?
Why was it God’s plan / agenda to have His Son, Jesus, tortured and murdered? Oops, that jumps ahead into The New Testament.
If God punishes those who become like God, do you think God likes Himself?
You have already been tipped off – but – do you believe that this Biblical God would ever order the murder of Human Beings so to steal their land? That’s the story of The Promised Land.
Can you have a healthy, happy and confident relationship with a God who would punish you or your loved ones throughout eternity?
One Mennonite lady’s child asked her: Mommy, why did God create people that He could not love?
(Wow!)
Another stated: Many, whom God supported, disappointed Him and He turned on them.
Was Donald Trump ever like that?
(Joke) Noah’s was a bad drinker. A bad drinker. When Noah got drunk, the next day he had to do two (2) things. He had to come back to pick up his arc, and he had to bring back the arc he took.
Remember: God put an “evil serpent” in the garden of his new, innocent / ignorant creation called “man”.
Then, before the flood, God found evil and corruption in His new creation of mankind.
God could never make a mistake but, God did repent for creating mankind.
Genesis 3:14 God said to the Serpent: You are cursed and put on your belly all the days of your life.
Some believers claim and insist the Serpent in the garden was Satan. But, that cannot be. God put the Serpent on its belly for the rest of its life. Later, Satan is not depicted to be on his belly and the Serpent’s life was said by God to be limited. And, if the Torah / Bible was honest, it would have documented that the Serpent was Satan.
“All knowing God” decided to murder, by drowning, every Human Being and animal on planet Earth minus 1 & 7 pairs of each animal.
But, did God’s brilliant, “know-it-all” action correct God’s problem?
But, did God’s brilliant, know-it-all action correct God’s problem? No! History, including Bible myths have showcased evil, murder and destruction throughout history.
And, don’t forget: Authority worshipers insist that God is in control!
The brilliant, all-powerful, know-it-all Biblical God still found evil and corruption in his creation of mankind after the flood. Did “know-it-all” God know that evil would survive the flood? If so – what was the “just and fair” purpose of the flood?
Instead of killing the whole world again, all at once, God imposes on Human Beings murderous wars, plagues, sickness and usually a painful death.
Then, after death, the Biblical God gives all the Human souls – who God does not want to grovel, worship and serve Him – Eternal Torment. What a perfect and loving God! Somebody, get a net!
Pastor Arnold Murray teaches the Bible, chapter and verse, on television. Here are some of his, out of the mainstream, answers to questions written in:
Pastor Murray: Cain was not Adam’s son. Cain resulted from Eve having sexual relations with Satan, the serpent.
Some preaching can certainly qualify as strange. Note: This is not what the Bible says in Genesis 4:1. Satan is not mentioned. Adam knew his wife and made her pregnant.
Q: To Pastor Murray If Abel was good seed and Cain was bad seed, doesn’t that eliminate the possibility for Cain and Abel to be twins from the serpent’s (Satan’s) seed?
Murray: No. Human women, like dogs, can have twin births by different fathers.
Murray: Ham’s sin was Ham had sex with Noah’s wife, his mother. That is what Noah cursed Ham for.
Did Noah Curse Ham or Not?
Doesn’t Murray admit here that Noah did curse Ham?
Pastor Murray points out in the English written Genesis to support his claim:
Leviticus 18:8 The nakedness of your father or mother you shall not uncover. KJV
Leviticus 20:11 The man who lies with his father’s wife uncovers his father’s nakedness. KJV
Another related question – Rusty from California: Pastor Murray, please explain the curse of Ham?
Pastor Murray: You’ve been listening to preachers, because there was no curse put upon Ham and you’re mistaken. In Genesis 9, the curse was placed upon Canaan, not Ham, by Noah because Canaan was not Noah’s child. Ham uncovered the nakedness of his father which means, according to Leviticus 20:11, Ham sexually seduced Noah’s wife (his own mother). Canaan wasn’t Noah’s son, but Ham’s. Noah didn’t want to face Ham and drove him away and said he would be a servant to others. Some preachers amaze me. Ham was black? An act of intercourse changed his color? That’s the height of ignorance. My black brothers (Murray is white) are many times told that they are part of this curse and that’s also idiocy and a lie.
Murray: God created that (black) race on the 6th day, He liked it. It was good. He created all races on the 6th day. Then, God created Adam on the 8th day because He didn’t have a tender of the garden. Adam and Eve began the blood-lineage of Jesus Christ. But there wasn’t a curse on Ham and it’s the traditions of men that make you ask the question and don’t feel bad. But may all preachers that teach it feel bad and do their homework before they teach.
Q: So, Adam was not the first man on Earth?
Murray: There was a first Earth Age and people. (Men only)
God’s People of the First Earth Age?
Does that explain the millions of years that science claims before Biblical events?
Scientists claim that the Earth is about 4.54 billion-years-old.
Anthropologists claim that over 99% of all life forms that ever lived on Earth are now extinct.
What does that say about the Biblical God’s creation plan? That scientific fact is a good debate / argument for evolution.
Murray states that Genesis supports, in the original manuscripts, that the Earth is millions of years old. He insists that there was a 1st Earth age prior to the Human Beings created on the 6th day of creation – long before the popular story of Adam and Eve. Murray states that Adam and Eve were specifically created on the 8th day so to tend God’s Garden of Eden and to provide a womb / blood-lineage for His pre-destined plan of Jesus Christ’s torture and demise. God is credited for murdering His “only” son, Jesus Christ in The New Testament. The Bible documented: There were many “Sons of God”. Don’t believe me or any other man. Genesis 6:1-4 and Job 1-2:3 may convince you. Some say The Sons of God were angels. Was Satan a son of God? Satan was credited with killing of Job’s children in the entire Bible. Otherwise, the Biblical God did all the murdering.
My Q: Pastor Murray, just how can we know that there was a 1st Earth age prior to creation?
How did Noah’s sons provide all the races including Gentiles?
Check out this little known or preached Bible C&V. It documents that Gentiles survived the flood in Genesis. How can that possibly be?
Genesis 10:5 The Isles of the Gentiles were divided. (KJV)
This Bible C&V documents that Gentiles survived the flood, and that land was provided for them. The descendants of Japheth (KJV Bible Notes) later spread to maritime nations, each with its own language. So, Gentiles have existed ever since the flood? How did Gentiles survive the flood? Where Gentiles on Noah’s Arc? Or did Gentiles continue to exist through Japheth’s bloodline? If so, how? Who were the origin people on Noah’s Arc that begat the Caucasian, Oriental and Black races?
Pastor Murray claimed, that in the Hebrew manuscripts, Noah took 2 of each animal / flesh aboard the arc which included other Human races. The Adamic souls Noah, his wife, his 3 sons and their wives apparently the only ones who star in the Bible at this time.
Pastor Arnold Murray (1929-2014) did preach some unusual stuff. Because Murray, a former Marine sergeant, who shed blood in Korea never backed down from controversial Bible C&Vs, I studied, in depth, what he preached.
Christian dogma would have only Noah’s family to survive with no scientific explanation as to how the other races came into existence. Evolution for the Judeo-Christian-Islamic believer, of course, would be out of the question.
Evolution?
Genesis 11:1 At this time, the whole world spoke the same language.
Genesis 11:6-7 God said: If the whole world speaks the same language, they will be able to do what ever they want to. Let us go down and confuse their language so they will not be able to do what they want to do.
Isn’t it generally your enemy, your adversary, your competition who stops you from doing what you want to do? Don’t we prevent our food animals from doing what they want to do so that we can better control an orderly killing and consume them? Who is shown here to really be mankind’s adversary? No Satan is mentioned yet.
War / competition: To prevent others from doing to you exactly what you are trying to do to them.
Abraham / Sarah / Hagar
Genesis 11:26-28 Abraham was born in Ur. (Around 2150 BC)
Ur was modern-day Mesopotamia, near Bagdad, Iraq
Based on Abraham being born in Iraq, wasn’t Abraham of Arab genetic stock? If so, did Arabic genes branch off and evolve to become Jewish, through Abraham, Isaac, Jacob and Judah?
Genesis 11:31 Terah established that Sarah was his daughter-in-law.
Abraham’s father, Terah, worshipped other gods and idols.
Genesis 20:12 Abraham states: She (Sarah) is in truth my sister, but, only my father’s daughter, not my mothers, and so, she became my wife.
Bible Note: Sarah was indeed Abraham’s relative based on the Hurrian custom of wife-sister marriage.
Abraham and Sarah’s marriage is incest!
Leviticus 18:9 God said: Do not have sex with your sister, your father’s daughter nor your mother’s daughter.
So, why are all of Genesis’ God’s Heroes guilty of incest? There are plenty of people all around them.
Leviticus 20:17 God commanded: If a man takes (has sex with) his sister even a half-sister, who is the daughter of his father or mother, they will be cut off from their people. Since he committed incest, he shall bear his guilt. Torah
What? Abraham, the father of the Judeo-Christian-Islamic religions – is guilty of “incest” – which God specifically forbid more than once?
How many conflicts, debates and arguments does this important contradiction expose?
Isn’t it a fact that for God’s heroes, God is a hypocrite.
Hummm. Wait until you read Exodus 6:20 and realize that Amram, Moses’ father, married Jochebed, his father’s sister to have Aaron and Moses. Moses’ sister, Miriam, was not mentioned because, you know, to God women aren’t that important – yet. But, that’s incest. Remember God forbid incest.
God gave 10 commandments. Then scholars claimed that God gave 613 commandments. Then Scholars claimed that God gave 1,003 commandments throughout the KJV including the New Testament.
James 2:10 If you break just one of God’s laws, you are guilty of breaking them all.
What about Abraham’s character, his integrity, his courage, his having incest with his half-sister? What traits do the father and origin of the Hebrew race, and the Jewish, Islamic and Christianity religions show here?
Abraham is God’s Hero! What a model!
The Bible introduces the origin, description, documentation of deeds and the essence of the God who Christian’s worship. Why is it that most Christians don’t want to know many selected Bible C&Vs that describe the behavior of their God and their God’s heroes? The Biblical God is the Christian God – isn’t It? Believers do believe each and every one of the Bible’s C&Vs – don’t they?
Genesis 12:1-3 God said to Abram: I will make you a great nation, make your name great. I will curse those who curse you. Catholic
Isn’t cursing somebody considered evil?
From Cathy, a former Mennonite: Mommy, why did God create the Devil?
Baby, God is the Devil. He’s just schizophrenic.
Thank you Cathy.
Genesis 12:12-20 Abram (man of greatness) said to his wife, Sarai (princess): You are so beautiful, we will tell the Pharaoh that you are my sister, so they won’t kill me. Pharaoh took Sarai and paid Abram flocks and wealth. God struck Pharaoh’s people with disease and death because of Sarai. When he found out Sarai was Abram’s wife, Pharaoh asked Abram why he did that to him? Then, Pharaoh forgave them both and sent them along their way with all the wealth.
The Catholic Bible: Genesis 12:19 Pharaoh asked Abraham: Why did you say: She is my sister, so that I (Pharaoh) took her (Sarah) for my wife?
Unlike the KJV and the Torah, this Catholic version documents that Pharaoh said: I took Sarah for my wife. In law, a marriage is not a marriage, and a wife is not legally a wife – unless the relationship is consummated by sex.
By Jewish Law: Marriage is Consummated by Sex
Oh, what to believe! What would a fundamentalist – who claims that the Bible says what it means and means what it says – say? Do you claim that Pharaoh had sex with Sarah?
Genesis 13:2 Now, Abram was rich in livestock, silver and gold.
Was Abraham our first Bible documented pimp? Do you think that Abraham and Sarah would ever try this pimp and hooker act again? Yep. They did it with King Abimelech (Genesis 20) – and – they got even richer.
Genesis 13:5-6 Lot, Abram’s nephew, and Abram grew so rich, they could not live together, their herds were so large.
Genesis 13:12-13 Lot moved near Sodom and Gomorra. The inhabitants of which were wicked in God’s eyes.
Oh oh! Look out for God! Those wicked sinners are gonna git it!
Genesis 14:8-16 There was a battle with 4 kings against 5 kings. The victors seized the spoils of Sodom and Gomorra and took Lot with them.
Abram took 318 of his own people and defeated them at night. He recovered Lot and all the possessions.
Hummm. Exactly 318? This took place over 4,000 years ago. Well – 318 has to be true and accurate because, after all, the Bible is God-inspired.
Genesis 14:18 A priest, Melchizedek, (a type of Christ: Catholic) blessed Abraham & Abraham gave Melchizedek 10% of what he had.
Abraham giving Melchizedek 10% of what he had could have been the origin of tithing.
Genesis 32:28 Jacob also pledged 10% after wrestling with God all night.
Could Melchizedek be the clue as to who sold Abraham on becoming a worshipper of the one Biblical God / the One God of Abraham? Abraham’s father, Terah, worshipped other gods. Abraham broke with his family’s tradition.
Abraham’s One God of Abraham was worshipped by Jews, then later by Christians, then later by Islam. Yes, Muslims worship the One God of Abraham – the same God as Jews and Christians. Disgusting, isn’t it?
Believer: No, he didn’t!
Yes, he did. Would you like to debate controversial Bible C&V with me? I’d luv that. Although, I’d prefer a seasoned Baptist minister. He knows the Bible, warts and all. If he debated my selected, controversial Bible C&Vs, he would lose by having to admit he did not believe those C&Vs as documented.
I submit that a seasoned Baptist minister, with full knowledge of the Bible, would not debate me. He has a livelihood to protect.
Joshua 24:2 Terah, Abraham’s father, served other gods.
In Hebrews chapters 5-7, the Apostle Paul better explains Melchizedek.
Here are some conflicts concerning Melchizedek and Jesus.
Pastor Arnold Murray has preached that Melchizedek was Jesus. Aaron became the head of God’s chosen Levite priests. Melchizedek was not of Abraham’s bloodline. Jesus was not of the Levite tribe of priest’s bloodline as Jesus descended from the tribe of Judah. If God chose the Levite tribe to be His priests, why didn’t Jesus Christ descend from the tribe of the Levite Priests instead of the tribe of Judah?
Genesis 15:13-14 God said to Abram: Your descendants shall be aliens in the lands not their own where they will be slaves oppressed for 400 years. But I will bring judgment upon the nation they serve, and, in the end, they will depart (Egypt) with great wealth. God planned out the EXODUS! You know that included “The Killing of Egypt’s First Born”.
A wealth contradiction? In Mark 10:25 Jesus said: Its easier for a camel go through the eye of a needle than it is for a rich man to enter Heaven?
However, Ecclesiastes 10:19 documents: Money answers all things.
So, what is the real message concerning wealth? Would you agree that something “God-Inspired” is not consistent here?
Genesis 16:1-4 Sarai nags Abram about being childless and gave Abram her hand-maiden, Hagar, to be his wife for sex and children. Hagar conceived her son, Ishmael.
Abraham / Sarah / Isaac / Hagar / Ishmael
Genesis 16:3 Sarai, Abram’s wife, gave Hagar to her husband Abram to be his wife.
This is emphasized for any who would debate, in error, that Hagar was not also Abraham’s wife.
Genesis 16:4-10 Abram had intercourse with Hagar, the Egyptian, and she became pregnant. Hagar looked with contempt on her mistress Sari, so Sari abused Hagar and she left. An Angel of God said to Hagar: Go back to your mistress and submit yourself to her abusive treatment and I will multiply your children.
What? Accept pain and abuse & God will make you many descendants? Catholic
How can a good, unchanging, loving, fair and just God possibly approve of this wife and child-abuse?
Hummm. Did any of God’s Biblical heroes have more than one wife before Abraham had both Sarah and Hagar for his wives? After Sarah died, old Abraham-the-stud, later in Genesis 25, took Keturah for his wife. And, he also collected some concubines. They all had old Abe’s children. Well, God did want Abraham-the-swinger to populate the planet.
But, doesn’t the “just and fair” Biblical God also show tolerance, forgiveness and virtue in Sarah’s sexual abuse of Hagar?
How moral was Abraham to send Hagar and his own son, Ishmael, out into the desert to die.
Aren’t prisons full of righteous, God-like wife-abusers and child-beaters?
Today, more women are murdered in the United States of America by domestic violence than by any other single means. (Internet news.)
Azizah Y. Al-Hibri PhD. Law professor, Islamic: One commentary says: Sarah was so mad at Hagar because of Abraham’s attention that she decided to mutilate her in some way to make her less interesting. And, that’s how female-circumcision started.
Female-Circumcision / Insanity
Whoa! What? Really? That’s despicable! Sarah, are you really the mother of the Judeo-Christian religions? Is mutilating a woman’s sex organs part of your Judeo-Christian ethic? If so, Sarah, shame on you – big time! Abraham and Sarah started the Judeo-Christian religions. Abraham and Hagar started the Arab lineage through Ishmael. In 610 AD it became the religion of Islam. Muhammed was born in 570 AD and started Islam at age 40 in 610. Today, parts of Islam are still performing female-circumcision.
Genesis 16:11-12 God tells Hagar: You are pregnant with a son you will name Ishmael. He will be a wild ass of a man; his hand against everyone and everyone’s hand against him.
Did the Judeo-Christian-Islamic God want and pre-ordain an on-going 4,000 years of war between these religions? How many Christians realize and will acknowledge that all three religions worship the exact same God – The One God of Abraham?
(The Arabic word Islam means “submission”. Islam is a monotheistic religion based on revelations received by the Prophet Muhammad: Born 570 – Died at age 62 in 632 AD. Islam’s sacred text is the Qur’an / Koran. Islam is the second largest religion in the world. Christianity is the largest with 2 billion followers.
Genesis 17:4-6 God said: You will no longer be called Abram (man of greatness), but Abraham (Father of Nations).
Genesis 17:15 Sarai (princess) was changed also to Sarah (Queen).
Do you recall Genesis 20:12? God’s “holy-man” and his wife are half-brother and half-sister by the same father and different mothers. God forbid incest.
Genesis 17:8 God said to Abraham: I will give to you and your descendants the whole land of Canaan as a permanent possession. Catholic
Abraham had Isaac. Isaac had Jacob. Jacob had 12 sons who became the “12 tribes of Israel”.
God later took these “12 tribes of Israel” out of Egypt by promising them “The Promised Land” which was “The Land of Canaan”.
God gave Egypt 10 plagues – including the murdering of all of Egypt’s firstborn – in the process of taking the Hebrews out of Egypt.
Then, for the most part, God ordered His “Chosen Hebrews” to murder every man, woman and child in Canaan so to steal their land. God gave them nothing. They had to kill all the men, women and little ones for their land. (Redundant emphasis intended!)
The mind-set of the Judeo-Christian-Islamic believer who insists that the Biblical God is good, loving, perfect, just and fair will never admit that:
The God of the Bible is not a good God and the Bible is not a good model for Humanity.
Genesis 17:9 God says: You and your descendants must obey My rules.
Genesis 17:12-14 You must be circumcised – or else.
Genesis 17:24-25 Abraham was 99, Ishmael 13, when they were circumcised.
Owie! Owie!
Genesis 18:11-12 Sarah, (89) who no longer has her period, is told by God she will conceive. She says: I’m old, my husband is old (99). Am I still to have sexual pleasure? Catholic
Whew! Change the rating of this book! Sarah admitted that sex, for her, was pleasure! Cool!
Would holier-than-thou Catholic nuns dare call Sarah a slut?
Actually, after Sarah died, about 37 years later, our old, holy stud, Abraham, had 6 more sons with his wife Keturah (Genesis 25 ) and even more kids with some concubines. Do you think that Abraham, God’s hero, may not fit the Catholic nun’s model of Holy Virtue. Hummm. Does he?
Genesis 18:13-15 God said to Abraham: Why did Sarah laugh? Sarah said: I didn’t laugh. (Sarah lied to God’s face?) God said: Yes you did. Catholic
Did Sarah get caught lying to God? Maybe, by this Bible C&V documentation, lying to God is not a sin. Whatchathink?
Genesis 18:17 God wonders if He should hide from Abraham what He is about to do.
God planned the destruction of Sodom & Gomorrah.
Genesis 18:22 The Lord remained standing before Abraham.
Really? Face to face?
Exodus 33:20 God states: No man sees My face and lives.
Can this possibly be a contradiction – or – did God lie and make a holy exception in Abraham’s and Sarah’s case?
An authoritative Christian apologist will demand that he can have it both ways.
A believer, with his feet planted firmly in mid-air, will insist that it is all a matter of faith.
Gawd, I despise that “Faith” crap. Having “FAITH” is simply an attempt to WILL THINGS INTO REALITY.
Former President Donald J. Trump by Washington Post & New York Times fact-checked to document 30,529 public spoken lies during his one term Presidency. Trump was trying to WILL things into reality 30,529 times. Insanity is the incapacity to know right from wrong. The evidence is in. Donald Trump is insane. Authoritarians and bullies will lie and deny that.
Genesis 18:25 Abraham asked God about the destruction of Sodom and Gomorra: Far be it for You to do such a thing, to make the innocent die with the guilty? Should not the judge of all the world act with justice?
Nah – God destroys them all anyway. Sarah lied to God’s face and lived. Abraham questioned the morality, fairness, and decency of God, and lived! Did Abraham – like Moses did twice later in Exodus 32:11-14 and Numbers 14:13-20 – attempt to teach God morality?
Genesis 19:5-26 Two human-looking Angels arrive at Lot’s house. Lot lets them in, washes their feet, feeds them and prepares for bed. The entire townspeople come to his door and tells Lot to bring the two men out so they can have sex with them. Lot said to take his two daughters instead, that they have never had sex with a man. Do what you want to do with them; but, don’t do anything to these men. They threatened to have sex with Lot too. The two Angels struck the mob with a blinding light and told Lot to take his wife and daughters away for they were about to destroy this place. Lot also warned his two proposed sons-in-law, but they thought Lot was joking. Lot took his wife and two virgin daughters, and with warnings not to look back, they fled. God destroyed the cities and all the people, even the innocent children. When the killing started, the noise and fire was so great that Lot’s wife turned to look at the carnage and was turned into a pillar of salt. She died. God murdered her.
God murdered Lot’s wife, the mother of Lot’s 2 virgin daughters, for looking back at her home and her neighbors being destroyed.
Genesis 19:30-36 Lot went up from the city of Tzoar. Since Lot was afraid to remain there, he decided to live in a cave – alone – with his two virgin daughters. They got Lot drunk, had sex with him and Lot got both of his virgin daughters pregnant.
Weren’t these the only 3 “righteous” people that the Biblical God spared from the destruction of Sodom and Gomorrah? Didn’t God let Lot and his two daughters survive because God deemed them to be righteous? Should the “God-selected” father, who offered his two virgin-daughters to be raped by all the men in his city, and who later “knocked-up” both of his virgin daughters – be considered to be “righteous and good” in your sacred and “Holy” value system? What does this story really say about Lot – and about the Biblical God – and about the believers of Judeo-Christianity? Btw, Lot’s knocking up both of his daughters was incest. God forbids incest.
Where is any tempting Devil during this scenario? Even during the “original sin” – no Satan nor Devil is ever mentioned – only a talking serpent.
According to His own track-record, the Biblical God does it all. So, does any Satan exist? Could religion be but fabrications and myths engineered by the egos of power-hungry men? Like God, don’t egocentric and power-hungry men expect to be obeyed by believers and to be served by dutiful slaves?
Bill Moyers: Lot offers his daughters to strangers. God makes judgment on Sodom and Gomorrah but not on Lot. Throughout Genesis, God is the father, the patriarch of a dysfunctional family.
Thank you, Bill Moyers.
Lot Offered His 2 Virgin Daughters for Sex to Strangers
In Genesis 20 Abraham and Sarah, again, pass themselves off as brother and sister to King Abimelech.
The same, pimp and hooker, con-job scenario again takes place. The King catches the con in time, yet he still pays off Abraham with herds, gold, and land. God’s wrath punishes the King by making him impotent to stop the King’s bloodline. Abraham interceded and God changed His mind and restored sexual health to the King so that his maidservants and wives could bear him children.
What? Abraham changed God’s mind? Did the unchanging Biblical God change His mind? Isn’t God documented to be unchanging from the Alpha to the Omega? What the ….?
Believer. No! God has all the right in the world to change His mind or anything else that God wants.
Malachi 3:6 God said: I change not.
Incorrect, Mr. believer. Tell me, do you insist that I believe you or should I trust my C&V knowledge of scripture?
Believer: You are going to Hell, and I will not spread my pearls before swine.
Ah, Christians often prove to be such nice, friendly Bible debaters.
Did God condone sex with many wives? Maidservants? Concubines? Slaves?
Review:
Genesis 20:12 Abraham said: She (Sarah) is in truth my sister, but only my father’s daughter, not my mother’s.
Exhibit E: Abraham and Sarah are documented to have incest sex. Incest is in truth a fact or Abraham is in truth a liar.
Furthermore, Isaac – Abraham and Sarah’s son – is a product of their incest.
Again, did you know that Moses was also a product of incest? Exodus 6:20.
Didn’t Abraham sell his wife, Sarah, into the Pharaoh’s harem and to King Abimelech by saying to both that Sarah was his sister? If not, how do you account for Abraham and Sarah gaining great wealth form both Pharaoh and King Abimelech?
Doesn’t the same Biblical God condemn incest in Leviticus 20:17?
Didn’t Abraham pimp Sarah to Pharaoh and King Abimelech and in both cases get paid off? Did these ends justify God’s means?
King Abimelech
Did Sarah sacrifice herself for Abraham, her half-brother / husband? Or did Sarah have her own agenda to get pregnant by Pharaoh, to help Abraham become a father? If Sarah had become pregnant by Pharaoh, could she had possibly become the Queen of Egypt? What was God’s plan? How would you explain this documented incest, pimping and hooking to your curious and questioning sons and daughters?
Didn’t Abraham get rich? The offense had to be big to get such a big pay-off.
Rabbi Burt Visotzky: Rabbis don’t normally ask questions about women.
Do Rabbis – like Islamists – continue to treat women as second-class citizens? If so, why?
Pastor Eugene Rivers III: What would have happened to Abraham if he had not lied about what his relationship was with the woman? Listen, I can imagine lying. Here’s a black dude in the inner city. He’s got a white wife. A couple Egyptian brothers roll up on the brother with a white wife. Now this guy’s not a complete fool “Yo baby, we work together, right? Pretend you’re my boss. You’re not my wife right, because if you’re my wife, you may be a widow by the end of the day.
What? Pastor Eugene Rivers preaches that Abraham was black? Really? And, that Sarah was white? Well, they did have the same father and different mothers. Does Pastor Rivers believe that Abraham and Sarah had a “mixed marriage”?
Genesis 21:10 Sarah demanded Abraham drive Hagar and her son (Ishmael) out. No slave is going to share the inheritance with my son, (Isaac).
Isaac means laughter. The Bible should be called Isaac.
Genesis 21:20-21 God was with Hagar and her son. Hagar got a wife for Ishmael in Egypt.
Hagar was Sarah’s slave girl. When Sarah was beyond menopause, she had her husband Abraham have sex with Hagar so that Sarah could have a child by Hagar. Sarah “abused” Hagar by female-circumcision so that Hagar could not have pleasure when having sex with Abraham. Islam provides more detail of Hagar’s abuse than the Judeo-Christians.
Ishmael means “God has heard”. Wasn’t Ishmael chosen, by God, too? Through Ishmael, wasn’t the Arabic-Islamic religion founded on Abraham, a Hebrew father? Ishmael fathered and evolved what became the Arabic race / bloodline. Isaac fathered and evolved what became the Jewish race / bloodline.
Azizah Y. Al-Hibri: In the Qur’an, Abraham and Ishmael build the first house of God on Earth, the Ka’ba, that is in Mecca.
Genesis 22:1-2 God told Abraham to sacrifice his son (Isaac) as a burnt offering. KJV
Genesis 22:11-15 The Lord’s messenger (Angel) calls it off and then (the Angel) seems to turn into God himself.
An Angel called it off when it was obvious that Abraham would sacrifice murder, slice up and cook Isaac in about 2000 BC? Never again does the Biblical God or any of His angels call off Human sacrifice, even with Jesus. So, was the messenger God, Himself, or just a nicer Angel?
If it was an Angel, how could a subordinate messenger / Angel countermand the Almighty Biblical God’s order? If God appears as the angel wasn’t that deceptive? God has His reasons, you say? Every caught and convicted criminal had personal motives / reasons for his immoral / illegal / murderous agenda.
Genesis 22:4 Abraham said to his servants: Stay here. We (Isaac and I) are going up to worship. We (Isaac and I) will be back.
If Abraham knew that we (Isaac and I) would be back, what’s going on here? If Abraham planned to sacrifice Isaac, then Abraham lied to his servants, again, making Abraham a liar.
In Genesis 22:1-2, God spoke to Abraham ordering him to sacrifice Isaac.
But then in Genesis 22:15-18 I swear by myself, declares the Lord, that because you acted as you did not withhold from Me your beloved son I will bless you, all because you obeyed My command.
Abraham & Isaac
Catholic Recap: God promises Abraham, age 75, that he will be the father of nations. When Sarah is 76, she sends Abraham (then 86) in to have sex with Hagar, her Egyptian handmaid. Abraham consents which produces Ishmael – and over 4,000 years of war in the middle east. Sarah hears God say that she will have a child and laughs at God’s words. She lies to God by denying that she laughed. Still, when Abraham is 100, God rewards Sarah, 90, for her role in His plan and gives her Isaac (laughter) whom Abraham later almost sacrifices. After Isaac’s “called-off” sacrifice, never again is there any Biblical talk between Isaac (or Sarah) and Abraham. Some parents are horrified by this story of God’s child-abuse.
What is a dysfunctional family? What is a dysfunctional god?
If God said to you: Only I deserve your love. Show me you love Me more than your son. If God then wanted you to personally sacrifice / murder your own son, would you do it? If you say no to God, would you expect to suffer “Eternal Torment”? If you say yes, are you nuts? How about sending your child off to kill or die in some political struggle on behalf of a corrupt Government? Does that God-like murder / sacrifice tradition turn you on?
Bill Moyers: That story (Abraham’s sacrifice) presupposes that the nature of God requires something to suffer in order for God to be satisfied.
Wow, Bill Moyers, that is an awesome and accurate perspective!
What is child-abuse? Isn’t one’s putting a knife to his child’s throat child-abuse? Then, why wouldn’t it be if Abraham and God were doing it? Bad, ugly, criminal and heinous deeds are what they are – regardless of Who does them.
James 2:21 Was not Abraham justified by works when he offered to sacrifice Isaac?
The Bahia religion insists that it was Ishmael, not Isaac, who Abraham tried to sacrifice.
Islamic traditions hold that the Kaaba, originally built by Adam, was rebuilt by Abraham and Ishmael.
When Sarah let Abraham have sex with Hagar, did God reward Sarah by then giving her Isaac?
If you were asked this question by your own kids, how would you answer it?
For Hagar, the slave girl, wasn’t having sex with Abraham a great career move? What does this model teach? Was Hagar’s not resisting having sex with Abraham due to Sarah’s suggestion? If asked, what will you tell your daughter concerning Abraham and Hagar?
Nothing? You would avoid the subject, you say? Why? It is Biblical. The Holy Bible is “The Good Book” – isn’t it?
Genesis 22:12 Being feared pleased God. KJV
The Biblical God’s consistent theme throughout The Old Testament seems to be: OBEY Me or I WILL KILL YOU!
That’s all God had at that time. The threat of Eternal-Torment after death was Jesus Christ’s contribution. Thanks, Jesus.
Genesis 23:1 Sarah lived to be 127 years old.
The Burial of Sarah
Genesis 5:27 The oldest Human Being recorded in the Bible was Methuselah who died at 969 years of age.
Is the genetic effect on age wearing off?
Genesis 24:9 So the servant put his hand under the thigh of his master and swore to him in this undertaking.
Genesis 47:29 Jacob had Joseph place his hand under his thigh (grab his balls) and to swear that He would not bury Jacob in Egypt.
In those days, one man grabbed another man’s testicles (balls) and sacredly swore that he would or would not do something – thus comes the words testify, and sacred testimony.
I told a girl that personally will pass on “testifying” in such a manner. How about you?
She just giggled.
Genesis 24:35 God granted Abraham slaves and slave-girls. Torah / Catholic
What could be better Bible documented proof / evidence of this God’s attitude concerning slavery?
Some southern slave-owners used this Bible C&V (Genesis 24:35) as their legal right to procure slaves.
Joel 3:8 God said: I will sell your sons and your daughters into the hands of the children of Judah, and they will sell them to the Sabeans. KJV
Genesis 24:34-66 A man said: I am a servant of Abraham, a wealthy man who has given everything he has to his son. I am here to get a wife for my master’s son. Laban replied: Here is Rebekah (Laban’s own sister) ready for you. The man gave gold, silver and clothes for Rebekah and gave costly presents to her brother (Laban) and to her mother. They said: Let’s see what Rebekah says. Rebekah said: “I do”. Rebekah later saw Isaac and asked: Is that my master? “Yes”. She covered her face with her veil. Isaac (age 40) took her into his recently departed mother Sarah’s tent and “married” her. Torah
Isaac and Rebekah did “the sacred wild-thing” because without their consummating the sex act, there legally was no marriage.
Genesis 25:1-7 After Sarah died, Abraham married another wife, Keturah and had 6 more sons.
One of Abraham’s sons with Keturah was Midian. This is important because later Moses’ wife, Jochebed, was a Midianite.
Later, Moses waged war on the Midianites in Numbers 25 and 31.
Genesis 25:6 Abraham had more sons by concubines that he gave grants to. Then, Abraham sent them away from his son Isaac.
This documents that Abraham, the stud, had more sons by concubines. He gave them grants and sent them away so that Isaac would receive all of the inheritance.
Abraham died at 175 years of age. It was emphasized that Abraham was too old for Ishmael, his first kid. Yet, many years later, Abraham the swinger / stud, had another wife, Keturah, who had 6 kids and even more kids and other concubines.
THE GOD MURDERS WEBSITE IS THE ATHEIST’S BEST FRIEND!
“Intelligence Is Categorical”
“Insanity Is Contagious”
“A High Percentage of Stupid Is Stubborn”
When the Biblical God created the World and said it was “good”, did God lie? What is “good” about God’s World? Good for whom? This World consists of “inter-parasitical survival”, whereby biological species must eat other biological species in order to survive.
For biological beings to live, things must die. For biological beings to live well, more things must die.
For that God-created deadly process to exist in reality, much physical and emotional pain is experienced.
This is the documented Bible C&V agenda that God saw fit to create. Does one know “good from bad / right from wrong” when it comes to the Biblical God? Wouldn’t it take something “evil” to create this painful agenda? Couldn’t the Biblical God have done better?
Q: Would you let your God off the hook from any serious questions or criticisms of God’s deeds, agendas or behavior, especially when those deeds, agendas and behaviors concern the destruction of you and yours?
Genesis 4:11-15 God banned Cain and put a mark on him. Cain said: Anyone may kill me on sight. God said: Not so. If anyone kills Cain, Cain shall be avenged seven-fold.
Genesis 4:23-24 Behold, Lamech, Noah’s father, killed Cain. Noah and his family of 8 were the only Human Beings on the Arc, who survived the flood. God’s avenging Cain seven-fold is suspicious.
Didn’t God put the mark of Cain on him to protect Cain? Isn’t God protecting a murderer here? But God (alas) failed to protect Cain. Lamech, according to Torah notes, killed Cain. Is this a God of blind justice? What do you think will happen to Lamech and his family? Lamech is the father of Noah. Did God fib again – especially about revenging Cain seven-fold? God murdered all the life-forms on Earth except for the family of the person who killed Cain.
The documented Bible is confusing. The mind of God is diabolical. The behavior of God is documented to be murderous and evil. There is no Satan to blame it on. The character “Satan” is not introduced until 1st Chronicles 21:1, the 13th book of the Bible. Surprised?
Chronicles was written about 300 BC after the Zoroastrian religion was exposed to the Jews captives in Babylon.
Click on the topic: Zoroastrianism.
Wasn’t Cain the first natural-born human being getting combined DNA from both a Human father and mother – unless Satan was really Cain’s father. There is no Satan in Genesis. Satan is not depicted on his belly for life.
Wasn’t Cain the first Human Being to make an offering to the Biblical God? Didn’t the “know-it-all” Biblical God’s rejection of Cain’s offering cause Cain to become a murderer?
If measurements of love are hurt, sense of loss, jealousy, an inability to accept rejection, mustn’t Cain have loved God very much?
Didn’t the first religious offering cause the first murder? Didn’t the murder occur because that offering was rejected by God? The first murder grows out of conflict between two worshippers of the Biblical God. Islam. Jew. Christian. Catholic. Protestant. Religion has not changed God’s first murderous model. What did the Biblical God want? If everything is for God’s pleasure, did this “in control” God get His pleasure? If not, did God prove not to be the perfect expert? What if God was in total control and God did get His pleasure? If God’s perfect agenda played out perfectly, wouldn’t the Biblical God be pure evil?
Did Cain have good intentions by making the first offering to God? Isn’t Cain’s choice of offering to God nicer than offering a freshly slaughtered animal? Is Cain ever known for his good intentions?
Don’t most people view “the mark of Cain” as a mark of evil? Didn’t God intend it to be a mark of protection? If you pray for the Biblical God’s protection, might this happen to you?
Sin is never mentioned during the Adam and Eve’s “original sin” story. Sin was first mentioned in the Cain killed Abel story. The “original sin” story must prove to be an after-thought.
Cain Killed Abel
Genesis 4:17 Cain had sexual intercourse with his wife. They had Enoch. Cain built a city.
What? Cain had a wife? Where did she come from? The only woman documented so far was Eve, his mom.
What? Cain built a city? Cain’s city was built by whom and for whom? Who lived in Cain’s city? How do you explain this to your child? Wouldn’t inquiring minds want to know?
Maybe Pastor Arnold Murray’s myth about a “6th day creation” (previously explained) has some merit after all.
Genesis 4:17-18 Documents that Lamech, Noah’s father, was in Cain’s bloodline / lineage. Torah, Catholic & KJV
Hummm. Did Lamech murder his own great, great grandfather, Cain?
That means that God’s Hero, Noah, was in Cain’s bloodline. Oh my!
Doesn’t this conflict with Genesis 5:6-25 & Luke 3:26-38? They both show Lamech to be in Adam’s other son, Seth’s bloodline. Maybe there was more than one Lamech. Believers would insist on it.
Genesis 4:23 Lamech, (the father of Noah?) tells his two wives: I have killed a man (Cain) for wounding me, a boy (Tuval Cain) for bruising me.
Emphasis: Stated by Torah Notes.
According to Genesis 4, didn’t Lamech, Noah’s father, come through Cain? Doesn’t Genesis 5 also have Lamech coming through Adam and Eve’s third son, Seth? Oh, what to believe? Doesn’t the Bible depict it both ways with some very similarly sounding forefathers? If the Lamech of Genesis 4 is not Noah’s father and if he did not kill Cain, why mention him? There also appears to be more than one Enoch.
Lamech, Noah’s father, takes two wives and kills two people; one, the Torah Bible notes claim, was Cain, his forefather. What did God tell Cain He would do if any man harmed him?
While the rest of the world suffers death by God drowning them, Noah, Lamech’s son and his family, were allowed to survive. There is so much to consider concerning God’s character. Could being murderers possibly become the common characteristics of God’s personally and sacredly chosen people? Shall we keep this in mind?
Outside The Arc God’s flood destroyed every living thing on Earth
In scripture, people live over 900 years for a few generations; then life becomes a mere 120 years or less. How can this be the case? Was it “The Forbidden Fruit“? Has anyone else ever been exposed to this “Forbidden Fruit”? Knowing its effect of knowledge of good and evil, wouldn’t you take a bite? If not, why bother with college or learn to obey laws? The only “Forbidden Fruit” that Adam alone was warned about was the fruit from the tree of “The Knowledge of Good and Evil” in Genesis 2:16. Where, in scripture, does it say that they took fruit from “The Tree of Life“? It doesn’t.
Pastor Arnold Murray has preached that “The Tree of Life” was actually Jesus Christ, whom he said was also in the Garden of Eden.
In Genesis 3:22-23, Adam and Eve were banished from the Garden of Eden before they could partake of the “Tree of Life” or eat of it and live forever.
One wonders, if Murray is correct about what Adam did with Satan, how would Adam have eaten from the “Tree of Life” with Jesus?
Btw, the Mormon Religion believes that Satan and Jesus Christ were brothers / both God’s sons.
If you attempt to debate the Bible’s C&Vs, most believers will attempt to stop you. They won’t want you to debate the Bible. They want you to believe (and obey) the way they say things are. Some may preach, argue, get angry, and threaten to become your enemy. Why? It is all written C&V in their own Bible. Most will not look it up. I did not write the Bible. I’m not responsible for what the Bible documents. I read the Bible and did a book report.
No matter how often this is emphasized, people still tend to blame the critical debater rather than the Bible’s content.
Genesis 12:12-19 Abraham told his wife / half-sister Sarah to lie. Pharaoh said: Why did you say she is my sister so that I took her for my wife? Catholic.
Sarah
Genesis 13:12-13 Abraham, God’s hero, tells his wife / half-sister Sarah to lie.
Genesis 13:19 Unlike the KJV, the Catholic version states that the Pharaoh said: I took her for my wife. Did Pharaoh have sex with Sarah? Idealistic believers would automatically insist no.
Under Hebrew law, a marriage is not a marriage, and a wife is not legally a wife unless the union is consummated by sex. Oh, what to believe! Did Pharaoh have sex with Sarah? Again, in the Catholic Bible, Pharaoh said: I took her for my wife. What would a religious fundamentalist say?
Genesis 13:2 Now, Abram was rich in livestock, silver and gold.
Was Abraham our first pimp? Did old, “Honest Abe” gain this wealth by being a con man and a pimp for his wife, Sarah? Do you think Abraham and Sarah would ever try this pimp-agenda again? It was profitable.
Genesis 16:1-10 Sarah gave to Abraham Hagar, her handmaid, for sex and children. Abraham had intercourse with Hagar who conceived Abraham’s son, Ishmael.
So Abraham, the swinger, had sex with Sarah’s servant, Hagar the Egyptian, with Sarah’s consent? Maybe Sarah, the swinger, did have sex with Pharaoh.
Abraham, Hagar & Sarah: The Bible’s First Threesome?
Abraham, By Sarah’s Suggestion, Impregnated Hagar
Genesis 16:4-6 Abraham had sex with Hagar and made her pregnant. Pregnant Hagar looked with contempt on her mistress Sarah, so Sarah abused Hagar and Hagar left.
An Angel of God said to Hagar: Go back to your mistress and submit yourself to her abusive treatment. Catholic
God’s Angel told Hagar to go back to Sarah’s abuse.
How can an unchanging / pure / good / fair / just God possibly approve of Sarah’s abuse of Hagar? Is adultery conditional, by consent, in God’s eyes? Did Sarah, the mother of the Judeo-Christian religion abuse Hagar by female circumcision? How could a good / loving / sensitive / moral God send Hagar back for more abuse? Doesn’t God control His messengers / Angels?
Does God also show virtue by condoning Sarah’s assault / abuse of Hagar? Aren’t prisons full of righteous, God-like, Christian wife-abusers and child-beaters? Today, statistically, more women are murdered in the United States of America by domestic violence than by any other single means.
Azizah Y. Al-Hibri Ph.D.; Law professor, Islamic: One commentary says: Sarah was so mad at Hagar because of Abraham’s attention that she decided to mutilate her in some way to make her less interesting. And that’s how female-circumcision started.
Azizah Y. Al-Hibri Ph.D.
Whoa! What? Really? Sarah! That is despicable! Sarah, are you really the mother of two main religions? Is mutilating a woman’s sex organs part of your Judeo-Christian ethic? If so, Sarah, shame on you – big time! Abraham and Hagar started, through the prophet, Mohammed, the Islamic religion by having Ishmael?
Genesis 18:22 The Lord remained standing before Abraham.
Really? Face to face?
Exodus 33:20 God states: No man sees My face and lives.
Can this possibly qualify as a Bible contradiction?
Genesis 18:25 Abraham asked God about the destruction of Sodom and Gomorra: Far be it from You to do such a thing, to make the innocent die with the guilty? Should not the judge of all the world act with justice?
Nah – God destroys them anyway. Did Abraham question the morality, fairness, and decency of God, and live? Did Abraham, like Moses did twice in Exodus 32:11-14 and Numbers 14:13-20, attempt to teach God morality?
Abraham and Moses both questioned God fairness and morality and seeing God lacking, actually tried to make corrections.
In Genesis 20 Abraham and Sarah, again, pass themselves off to King Abimelech as brother and sister. The same, pimp and hook, con job happens again. The King catches the con-game in time, yet he pays off Abraham with herds, gold, and land.
Shame on Abraham & Sarah, the father and mother of the Judeo-Christian religions!
Land / Herds / Gold
INCEST
God was against incest in Leviticus 18:6-18
Many of God’s heroes were products of incest
Genesis 2:21-22 Eve came from Adam.
Genesis 4:1 Adam impregnated Eve.
Genesis 20:12 Abraham had married his half-sister, Sarah. They had the same father and different mothers.
Genesis 19:30-35 Lot had sex with and impregnated his two (2) daughters.
Genesis 24:67 Isaac & Rebekah. Isaac is Abraham’s son. Rebekah is the granddaughter of Nahor, Abraham’s brother.
Exodus 6:20 Amram & his father’s sister, Jochebed were Moses’ parents.
2 Samuel 13 King David’s son Amnon had sex with his half-sister, Tamar.
Genesis 29 Jacob married and impregnated Rachel, daughter of his cousin, Laban. They were the parents of Joseph & Benjamin.
Jacob also married Rachael’s sister, Leah. They were parents of Reuben, Simeon, Levi, Judah, Simeon, Issachar, Zebulun, Dinah.
Jacob had 2 concubines, Bilhah & Zilpah, who were half-sisters of Rachel & Leah. Bilhah had Dan & Naphtali. Zilpah had Gad & Asher.
The 12 Tribes of Israel were named after Jacob’s sons and grandsons: Asher, Dan, Ephraim, Gad, Issachar, Manasseh, Naphtali, Reuben, Simeon, Zebulun, Judah and Benjamin.
Of these 12 twelve tribes, only Judah and Benjamin survived. The 10 “lost tribes” were conquered and exiled by the King of Assyria in 721 BC.
Incest! Many of God’s main heroes: Abraham, Isaac, Jacob and his 12 tribes / sons, and later, Moses are products of or participated in incest. If the Biblical God was in control and incest was His preferred agenda to produce His heroes, how can God condemn incest in Leviticus? How can incest be illegal today – if God can’t be wrong?
Genesis 21:14 Abraham sent Hagar and Ishmael away.
Hagar & Ishmael
Does this also indicate that “Abraham was a dead-beat dad” to Ishmael?
Genesis 22:1-12 Abraham was stopped just short of murdering his own son, Isaac – because God ordered it.
Does this also indicate that Abraham was a “dead-beat” dad?
Genesis 22:1-12 Abraham was stopped just short of murdering his own son, Isaac – because God ordered it.
What’s going on, Dad?
God wants me to sacrifice you.
God, I Am Really Pissed!
it is all for God’s pleasure
This Is Going To Hurt
What do you want?
You countered God’s order?
Don’t Tell Your Mother son
God Stopped Abraham’s Child Sacrifice God Accepted Jephthah’s Child Sacrifice God Sacrificed His Own Child, Jesus Christ
Catholic Recap: God promises Abraham, age 75, to be the father of nations. When Sarah is 76, she sends Hagar, her Egyptian handmaid, in to have sex with Abraham, then 86. Abraham consents to adultery which produces Ishmael – and about 4,000 years of war in the Middle East. Sarah hears God say that she will have a child and laughs at God’s words. She lies to God by denying it. Still, when Abraham is 100, God rewards Sarah, 90, for her role in His plan and gives her Isaac (which means laughter) whom Abraham almost sacrifices. After Isaac’s “called-off” sacrifice, never again is there any Biblical conversation between Isaac or Sarah and Abraham.
Some parents are horrified by this story of God’s child abuse. What is a dysfunctional family or a dysfunctional god? The Koran has scenarios whereby Abraham and Ishmael later built monuments together in Mecca.
Genesis 24:35 God gave Abraham male and female slaves.
Isn’t this Chapter and Verse evidence that the “good” Biblical God condones slavery? How can it not be? As long as one Bible exists, these controversial C&Vs won’t go away.
Genesis 25:1-6 After Sarah died, Abraham married Keturah and had 6 more sons. He had some other kids by some concubines.
“In the beginning, there was The Book of Genesis. And it was good. Only much later did different people think of it in different ways”. (Cover of Time Magazine, October 1996)
This is “The Creation”, as presented by the Torah, the Hebrew 5-book origin of The Old Testament. The King James and Catholic versions both came, Chapter and Verse, from The Torah. I, Gary DeVaney, took specific, controversial C&V selections from each of these 3 sources in my investigation and documentation of this work.
Question: Perceive that there was no book of Genesis. What would the creationists have then?
Perspective: Nothing. Without Genesis, practicing Christians have no basis for creationism, unless they wish to steal any of the hundreds of other creation stories from other cultures. The Genesis story is totally stolen from other cultures, but, practicing Christian creationists will never admit it.
Genesis chapters 1 & 2: There are two conflicting versions of:
“The Creation”
To have a Creation, you must have a Creator.
Ok. Who Created God?
1st Day
Genesis 1:1 God created Heaven and Earth.
Genesis 1:2 & 1:9 both state: The Earth was covered by water first.
Genesis 2:6 states: The Earth was land first; a stream came up watering the ground.
A contradiction? Genesis 2:6 conflicts with Genesis 1:2 & 1:9 – water 1st, not land 1st.
Genesis 1:3 Then, God said: Let there be light.
What? There was light on the 1st day? How? When you learn that God doesn’t make the Sun and the Moon until the 4th day as documented in Genesis 1:14-17, you may realize and acknowledge that this is a Bible contradiction.
Before creation, if God had existed forever, did God grope around in the dark before God said: “Let there be light”? If the unchanging God could see in the dark and man is created in God’s image, 1st, after all that time, why did God need light – and 2nd, why can’t man see in the dark? Are you positively certain that man did not create God?
2nd Day
Genesis 6:8 God separated the water on Earth with the sky.
What? God spent a whole day of creation to do what?
3rd Day
Genesis 1:9 God separated dry land from the seas.
Genesis 1:11 God made vegetation.
Did God make vegetation before God made man?
4th Day
Genesis 1:14-17 God made the Sun and the Moon.
Sun & Moon
So, where did the light come from on the 1st day according to Genesis 1:3 when God said: Let there be light? If the Sun was not created until the 4th day, how was a 24-hour day determined? The Bible is not a well-written book.
Genesis 1:31 God saw everything that He had made, and behold, it was very good.
The perfect, all-knowing Biblical God was pleased with His “perfect” creation. But later:
Genesis 6:5-6 God saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every imagination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil. And it repented the Lord that he had made man on the Earth, and it grieved Him at His heart.
The perfect, all-knowing Biblical God repented and was sorry that He had made man? This supernatural Biblical God, that has been in existence forever, has a heart?
5th Day
Genesis 1:20-22 God created living sea-monsters and flying-creatures.
Isn’t it interesting that no species of Dinosaurs are mentioned in the Bible? The word Behemoth is mentioned but that is a poor representation of all the awesome Dinosaur fossils discovered along with other pre-historic animals. Science claims that today, over 99% of all life-forms that ever existed on Earth are now extinct. If so, what does that say about the Biblical God, – the creator?
Over 99% of all of “God’s Created Species” have gone Extinct?
6th Day
Genesis 1:24-25 God created land animals.
Behold! Here God created “land animals” first before God created man.
Genesis 1:26 God said: Let US create man in OUR image.
Who did the Biblical God say this to? Obviously, God was not alone.
Genesis 1:26 God instructed man to dominate and subdue the Earth and it’s life-forms.
Is God’s documented instruction the basis for man’s domination and future terrorism over all of Earth’s life forms – including other men? Does the Biblical God-character prove to be a terrorist who inspired a terrorist handbook called the Bible? Will God have men murdering men in the future?
Genesis 1:27 God created man, male and female.
Were Adam and Eve the first Human Beings created on Earth?
God Created Man
TV Pastor Arnold Murray claims: No! Human Beings – not Adam and Eve – were of “The 6th Day Creation“.
Pastor Murray claims that Adam and Eve were created special on the 8th day to begin a genetic lineage for Jesus Christ. I never heard that in church.
Murray often does go where no man has gone before in my judgment. Yes, I do make judgments. Do you make important decisions without using judgment? Would you teach your child to cross a busy street without using judgment?
If Human Beings were created on the 6th day, what source is documented to have explained to them the events of the 1st 5 days? If God explained it to them, why wasn’t that important enough to be documented? Without learned language, how did Adam and Eve communicate and understand God or themselves?
Genesis 1:28 God commanded for man to conquer and to dominate everything on the Earth.
God Said Conquer & Dominate
God’s Biblical commands validate why men become tyrants. The Holy Bible is quickly shaping up to become a tyrant and a terrorist handbook, if you could dare to see it that way.
7th Day
Genesis 2:3 God ceased from all work on the 7th day.
Does the Biblical God need sleep? Why would God stop or need rest? God is all-powerful, isn’t He?
2 Peter 3:8 One day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.
Psalm 90:4 For a thousand years in God’s sight is like a day.
Did God rest for 1 Earth Day or for 1,000 Earth Years?
Unlike Pastor Arnold Murray, who claims that Adam and Eve were created on the 8th day and were not the first Human Beings, most clergy view that Adam and Eve were the first Human Beings created on the 6th day.
The Bible claims that Adam was formed out of clay and that Eve was formed from one of Adam’s ribs. How scientific are those specific claims?
God formed Eve from one of Adam’s Ribs?
Do Men Today Miss A Rib?
How can a logical, reasonable person not question the validity of the Bible?
Most practicing believers believe the Bible documents that Adam and Eve were created on the 6th day.
If Adam and Eve were actually created on the 6th day and God was out of the picture for the whole 7th day / 1000 Earth years, then Adam and Eve had to be over 1000 Earth years old when God worked with them again. But Genesis 5:5 documents that Adam lived only 930 years. Does anyone else find this contradictory and confusing?
In this 1st version, God created man and woman simultaneously and equal on the 6th day. Animals and everything else already existed.
Note: Bible input deems that Mankind was created about 6,000 years ago.
The 2nd Version
Genesis 2:5 No shrubs or plants existed; no rain, no man yet to work the ground.
Genesis 2:7 God formed Man out of the ground.
What? In this 2nd version, man was formed out of the ground before God made plants and animals? This Biblical myth is also doubtful because what would man eat?
1st, science proves that a Human Being cannot be formed in a 24-hour-day out of mere Earth dirt.
2nd, science proves that a living woman cannot be formed in a 24-hour-day merely out of a man’s rib.
Q: A believer asked: Why did you write these 2 obvious absurdities?
A: Because the Bible claims these absurdities and practicing Judeo-Christian believers claim to believe the absurdities of the Bible. If there was more to the story, then the Bible is poorly written and sorely lacking in understandable structure and content. The Bible, so far, shows no logical or reasonable merit. Why do believers insist on believing this extreme nonsense? Why do they then impose their nonsensical beliefs on others?
Genesis 2:7-9 does conflict with Genesis 1:11 & Genesis 1:27. How can believers believe in a Bible that proves to conflict with Itself?
Of course, “I believe” ultimately admits that “I don’t know”. If one absolutely knows, one says “I know”. If a believer’s belief is proven to them to be false, the believer then claims, I said that I believed it. I did not say that I know it. Why would anyone follow or buy into another’s “I don’t knows”?
Some “authorities” claim that the “J” (Jehovist / Yahweh) version and the “E” (Elohim) version are from two schools of authorship, not from two individuals. “J” was from Judea / Jerusalem and “E” was from northern Israel. Two additional sources were the Deuteronomist “D” and the Priestly “P”. “R” then combined all four sources into the first four books of the Torah into Deuteronomy, the fifth book.
Many give credit to Moses for writing the Torah’s content. The Torah’s C&V contents do not claim Moses to be its author. Moses’ birth and early life was associated with Egypt.
Egypt was one of the ancient cultures that started a myth of creation. The Hebrews / Jews did not buy into Egypt’s version of creation nor anyone else’s afterlife myths. With the Hebrews it was simply “dust to dust.
King Nebuchadnezzar of Babylon (modern day Iraq) captured Jerusalem and destroyed its temple in about 586 BC. Nebuchadnezzar killed many Jews and took some captured Jews back to Babylon.
In 539 BC, King Nebuchadnezzar had died. His heirs ruled Babylon. Persian King Cyrus from modern day Iran conquered Babylon. He freed the Jewish captors, provided them security and escorted them back to Jerusalem.
Then the Persians spent 2 centuries (200 years) assisting the Jews in rebuilding their temple. Zoroastrian clergy accompanied the Persian army. The Zoroastrianism religion taught about afterlife, Heaven, Hell, salvation and “Eternal-Torment” all of which the Jewish priests wanted nothing to do with. However, a few Jews made records of these teachings. Centuries later a new Jewish prophet taught about afterlife, Afterlife, Heaven, Hell, salvation and “Eternal-Torment”. The prophet’s name was Jesus Christ.
Jesus Christ plagiarized and preached Zoroastrian teachings. The New Testament claims that Jesus created a new religion called Christianity. Some practicing Christians required Jesus Christ to be their “savior”. There is no substantial history of Jesus Christ outside of The New Testament.
Genesis 2:11-12 There’s especially good gold, pearls and precious stones. (Torah)
Gold Pearls Precious Stones
So what? Other than a monkey’s attraction to shiny objects, with no commercial / barter system in place, what’s the point?
Genesis 2:15 God placed man in the Garden of Eden to cultivate and take care for it. Catholic
First, in Genesis 1:28 God gave man dominion over the Earth. Now, man is confined to a garden and man hasn’t even sinned yet.
So obviously, God does change His mind! How can God be “omnipotent” (all knowing) and always in control if God changes His mind? Most believers demand that you believe that God never changes His mind and is the same from “The Alpha to the Omega”. Under what circumstance would a practicing Judeo-Christian-Islamic believer ever admit that he or she is wrong?
Rabbi Burton Visotsky PhD: God is alone in the Universe.
If God fills the Universe, how can God create anything? Is God afraid that if man is alone, he will think?
Some clergy, like Rabbi Visotsky, have claimed that God was alone and that lonely God created man. Due to God’s words “us” and “our” in Genesis 1:26 another myth refers to “The Sons of God”. Obviously, somebody is in error. If there were “The Sons of God”, then God was not alone before God was claimed to have created mankind. Later, Both Jesus and Satan were claimed to have existed since the beginning of creation. So, according to the overall Bible, God was not alone.
Gen 2:17 God said to Adam: In the day (KJV) on the day (Torah) in the moment (Catholic) you eat of the “Tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil”, you shall surely die.
The Tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil?
Genesis 3:4 The Serpent said to the woman, Eve, you shall not surely die.
Genesis 5:5 Adam died at 930 years old.
Genesis 5:5 conflicts with Genesis 2:17 which documents: God said to Adam “in or on the day especially in the moment that you eat the forbidden fruit, you shall surely die.”
Did God lie when God said that Adam would “surely die” if he ate of the “Tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil”? If the Serpent was more truthful than God, what does that say about God?
There was no “spiritual” death in the book of Genesis nor any other page in the Bible.
Genesis 3:14 God then put the Serpent on his belly for the rest of his days (finite life).
God told Adam: If you eat of the “Tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil”, you shall surely die.
The Serpent told Eve she would not die.
God did lie to Adam. The Serpent told Eve the truth.
Would you remember it better if I shared this yet again?
Peter 2:3 may try to spin “in the day” claiming that one day for God is a thousand years, but he can’t spin “in the moment”. It is the Jewish Rabbi who needs to straighten out Christian clergy as to “God’s truth” within the words of the Old Testament, for the “Torah” (1st 5 books of the Old Testament) IS the book of the Jews.
Genesis 2:18-22 God wanted Adam to have a compatible helper, so God formed out of the ground various animals. Adam named each living thing and still found no helper. While asleep, God built what He took from the rib of Adam and made it into a woman.
So, God formed man from out of the ground before God formed animals from out of the ground. Man was made from the same dirt that animals were made from. That does not set man apart from animals any more than they are set apart from each other.
God made animals after God made Adam. Then God made woman from one of Adam’s ribs. Due to Chapters and Verses like this, many churches, even today, consider it sacrilege to espouse equal rights for women. What prejudice! What hypocrisy!
In one Bible story, God creates both Adam and Eve simultaneously in one act. That makes them equal. Later, in another story, God takes a rib from Adam to create Eve. Now, she is considered to be an inferior creature and a subordinate to Adam. The second story has Adam more divine than Eve because Adam was created first and was preferred by God. The second story is obviously inconsistent with the first story of Adam and Eve. Which story do you prefer? If you are male, and believe that you are superior to all women, you probably shouldn’t tell your mother, your sister, your girlfriend or your female boss.
Do you personally know anybody now who claims that a man is superior to a woman?
An old Joke: So, God asked Adam what he wanted in a mate. Adam said: Cook, clean and great sex. God said: That will cost you an arm and a leg. Adam asked: What can I get for a rib?
Sometimes jokes break the hypnotic tension.
Perspective: If Adam came from dirt, like the animals came from dirt, and Eve came from Adam’s living rib; then, didn’t Eve come from something more advanced than Adam? Note: Adam came from dirt. Eve came from a Human gene base. Ergo, which, the man or the woman, came from superior stock?
Was the creation of man and woman a response to some mental / emotional need inside God? Can God, a supposed “perfect” being, need? Concerning being a model for Human males and females, does God start out by proving to be “truthful, just and fair”?
What was God’s motive to create mankind?
Pastor Arnold Murray claims that there was a “First Earth Age” whereby Satan went bad and wanted God’s throne. 1/3rd of Heaven’s Angels followed Satan, not God. So, God created mankind for all those souls to live lives through. Then God would judge those souls’ worthiness for serving God for eternity.
Pastor Murray selected various Bible C&Vs to determine this scenario. It certainly is not a popular mainstream Bible dogma.
Genesis 2:19-21 God formed animals and birds from the ground. Adam gave them names.
This confirms that all animals came from the ground, not just mankind and that man originated on planet Earth and did not come from outer space.
Catholic Bible Note: In ancient Israel, a day was deemed to begin at sunset.
Does that sound crazy to you? Well, how about the fact that today, in the year 2004, our morning begins at 12 o’clock midnight. By nomenclature, how can “midnight” (the middle of the night) be morning? Our modern tradition is still nuts.
Genesis 2:25 They (Adam and Eve) were naked and not embarrassed by one another.
Genesis 3:1 The serpent was the most cunning of all animals. It asked questions of Eve.
Note: The Bible says “Serpent” – not “Satan”.
The question is the highest form of thought. Satan proves to be a thinker. Thinking brings learning and change. God probably doesn’t like that. Neither the Biblical God nor the Serpent are Human. How can these new Humans Beings, Adam or Eve, understand any language that God or the Serpent speaks?
Most fundamentalist Christian clergy insist that the Serpent in the Garden of Eden was Satan. They charge that Satan tempted Eve. Eve shared the forbidden fruit with Adam. This caused mankind to fall from the grace of God. This act of disobedience created sin. Due to this myth, many churches blame women for causing the “original sin” and this also made women the lesser, inferior and subordinate Human Being as traditionalized by man’s poor treatment of women throughout recorded history. The Judeo-Christian-Islamic religions have not projected their “One God of Abraham” to have treated women justly nor fairly.
I personally view that man is just another predator / animal that tends to be dominant and cruel to smaller, weaker and more ignorant animals. Men tend to kill and eat most of those animals. Men tend to often treat women authoritatively and cruelly simply because they can – as women do tend to be physically smaller and weaker. Enforceable modern laws have attempted to minimize modern men’s authoritative and cruel behavior towards women. Evolved, modern laws are certainly a positive progress from God’s Biblical guidance concerning man’s treatment of women. Unfortunately, proper enforcement of these laws is still sorely lacking.
Genesis 3:2-5 The serpent said: God knows that on the day you eat of it, your eyes will be opened and you will be as gods, knowing good and evil.
God stated exactly the same thing in Genesis 3:22 confirming the Serpent’s integrity. It is still shocking to know but according to Bible C&V: God lied. The Serpent told the truth.
Mindset believers will argue and spin that “surely die” means a “spiritual” death. What else can they say other than they are wrong to believe that God couldn’t lie or deceive people. Ah, tomorrow, zealous, authoritative and mindset Christians will still sware on a Bible that God could never lie.
Old Testament Hebrews claimed that God did it all. There was no afterlife, no Heaven nor Hell, no savior. Again, their God did it all. Yes, Jesus Christ changed all that to create for Christianity.
Can The Biblical God Do All Things? Really? Can God Die?
Genesis 3:9 And God called Adam, and said to him, where art thou?
God asked Adam where he was? Either God was ignorant and did not know where Adam was or God was deceptive by pretending not to know where Adam was. Did the Biblical writers create a God with Human qualities and limitations? Was Adam and Eve hardwired to understand language? What language did they speak? Did the “unchanging” Biblical God” allow that language to survive? What people speak that language today?
And, why are over 99% of all the creatures, that ever roamed the Earth, now extinct? What does that say about the Biblical God of creation?
God’s 1st Sin!
In Genesis 3:13 Eve had eaten the forbidden fruit and gave some to Adam. God asked Eve what she had done. Eve told God that the Serpent (Satan some claim) beguiled / tempted / enticed / moved (depending on the Bible version) Eve.
Didn’t Satan (by name) successfully move / tempt / beguile / entice the Biblical God in:
Job 2:3 God told Satan: You (Satan) moved / tempted / beguiled / enticed Me (God) against him (Job), to destroy him (Job), without cause.
Why would the Biblical God accuse Eve of “original sin” and then punish all of future Humanity for Eve’s “sin” when God, Himself, was also guilty of being successfully tempted / beguiled / moved / enticed by Satan? Satan successfully tempted God, by documented Bible C&V. The Biblical God proved to be no stronger or less sinful than Eve – didn’t God?
Be honest, now. What does the Bible C&V document? How would you spin it differently? God being God is no legal, ethical or moral excuse.
The Order of Creation
written by
“The Thinking Atheist”
Genesis 1:11-12 & 1:26-27 Trees came before Adam.
Genesis 2:4-9 Trees came after Adam.
Genesis 1:20-21 & 26-27 Birds were created before Adam.
Genesis 2:7 & 2:19 Birds were created after Adam.
Genesis 1:24-27 Animals were created before Adam.
Genesis 2:7 & 2:19 Animals were created after Adam.
Genesis 1:26-27 Adam & Eve were created at the same time.
Genesis 2:7 and 2:21-22 Adam was created first, woman sometime later.
Can you honestly tell another Human Being that the Bible has no contradictions?
In Genesis 3:11-14 God questioned Adam. Adam snitched on Eve. Eve snitched on the Serpent. They all got punished.
It could have been worse, you say? God could have fulfilled His threat and killed them? What could be worse that condemning the Human species to be born into sin that will cause them “Eternal-Torment” pain and suffering for failing a scenario that God created – and already knew the outcome of?
Reflect. What could be worse than that?
If one of God’s measurable days is 1000 Earth years, God is not “eternal” because God is affected by time. If God is affected by a day, which is a measurement of time, then logic reasons that God is affected by time.
Some ancient Rabbinical comments: Women walk at the head of the funeral procession because woman brought death into the world. Why does a woman menstruate? Because she shed the blood of Adam. This is her punishment and why it is called “the curse”.
The Snake is an ancient figure of wisdom and immortality. It sheds its skin and is “born again”.
The Snake, today, is used prestigiously, in identifying the medical profession. A caduceus is the modern professional medical symbol that depicts the snake wrapped around a pole. It is the symbol of healing and wisdom.
Genesis 3:14 God said to the Serpent: On your belly you shall crawl all the days of your life.
Don’t some practicing Christians insist that the Serpent in the Garden of Eden was Satan? If so, why has Satan NOT been depicted to be on his belly throughout history? He hasn’t. Isn’t Satan depicted to look mostly like a man? If Satan has “powers” and can change shape – then, God’s punishment of putting Satan on his belly for the rest of his life had little effect on him. God’s integrity and power, by His own words, are diminished. Doesn’t “putting Satan on his belly for the rest of his life” also document that Satan has a limited lifespan? The Serpent in the Garder of Eden can NOT be Satan.
Genesis 3:16 God promised woman to multiply her sorrow for conception of her children and that she would be ruled over by her husband.
The Biblical God is specific about women’s subservient role to men. So much for God’s being “just and fair” concerning Human equality. Actually, here God promised childbirth pain for women and goodbye equality.
Later however, the Queen of Sheba, at the time of King Solomon, ruled over, of all things, an Arab country. Cleopatra, a Greek woman, was the last great Pharaoh of Egypt. Aren’t these inconsistencies in the Biblical God documented views of reality. Neither of these women were subordinate to men as God projected. Both powerful women had sex with powerful men for political purposes and advantages. What are these “models of virtue” teaching your daughters? Islamic women today are getting stoned to death for daring to drive cars. Did you know that Islam (the Muslims) worship the same One God of Abraham as do Jews and Christians?
Is the Biblical God the same one God for all time and for all people on planet Earth?
No. Atheists, who have broken their fear-based, authoritative indoctrination and religious hypnosis, certainly are living and breathing exceptions.
Genesis 3:17-19 To Adam, God said: Because you listened to your wife and ate from the tree I forbid you; the ground shall be cursed because of you. You will return to the ground from which you are taken; for you are dirt.
When God told Adam of his fate, does God mention any Afterlife – Heaven or Hell – Eternal-Torment? No. God claims often claims that “Dust to Dust” is the Human Being’s fate. You do know that Bible dogma claims that God does not change.
Don’t believe me or any other man. Instead of relying on clergy or others to inform you, read the controversial Bible C&Vs for yourself. Wisdom cannot be taught. You are the only thinker in your entire universe. You can only think and decide what is fact for yourself.
So, does the non-changing Biblical God remind you of a religious believer and / or a “conservative” Republican?
Genesis 3:20 Adam called his wife Eve because she was the mother of all the living.
Really! All the living? Eve is the mother of Crabs, Bats, worms and Viruses? Obviously, this is another erroneous Bible statement. Do you recall that 99% of all creatures that ever lived are now extinct.
Genesis 3:22 God said: Man has now become like one of us in knowing good and evil.
Remember in Genesis 3:4-5 The (talking) Serpent said to Eve: God knows that on the day you eat of it, your eyes will be opened, and you will be as gods who know good and evil.
This is the Biblical God’s C&V confirmation that the Serpent told the truth in Genesis 3:2-4.
Did the Serpent have Sex with Eve To Produce Cain?
Genesis 3:23 God said He (Adam) must be prevented from taking from the Tree of Life and living forever. God banished man from the Garden of Eden.
1 Timothy 2:14 Adam was not deceived. The woman (Eve) was deceived and transgressed.
If this “perfect” Biblical God gave Adam and Eve “free will”, then God did not know how His “perfect creation” would use it. That proves that the Biblical God does not know-it-all, and that God is not omnipotent. Also, how “free” is anything if there is a horrible price or consequence to pay?
“Free-will”? If just one Human Being on Earth truly has free-will, God is NOT in control.
If God never changes, God, Himself, has NO free-will.
And, there is that US thing again. God is showing this to other gods? So, if man eats from the Tree of Life and Knowledge, he not only gets smart, but he also gets the potential to live forever. That makes this Biblical God angry? Man gains judgment, without which he cannot make decisions, and God gets angry?
Conclusion: This “fruit” separated man from dumb animals and what appears beneficial to man obviously make this God angry. What’s so bad about distinguishing good from evil? Don’t you want your children to know good from evil, right from wrong? You would think that it was evil for who wants to stop you from knowing right from wrong, good from bad, but no. The Bible documents that it is the Biblical God who does not want Human Beings to know good from evil, right from wrong. Can you explain this to your child?
Did the “all knowing” Biblical God put the “evil” Serpent in the Garden of Eden with ignorant and innocent Adam and Eve? Then, did the Biblical God throw tantrums and punish them and all their future children for what God already knew Adam and Eve were going to do? Didn’t “know-it-all” God know that the Serpent would sabotage God’s plans, unless, in reality, that was God’s plan? If that was this “in charge” God’s plan, then Who proves to be EVIL? Did the Biblical God ever admit creating evil? Yes.
Doesn’t it take something imperfect to create something imperfect? Was God in fear of being judged good or evil? Was performing good and / or evil all the same to this God? Isn’t unauthorized knowledge like “National Security” considered evil by man just like it is by God? If this God should be evil, then, how would you know it unless you knew the difference between good and evil? Believers behave as if they do NOT know the difference between good & evil concerning the Biblical God. By not knowing the difference, could evil have its way with you? Notice how God gets hostile once the difference is known. Why? Was God’s intent for man to remain as dumb as the animals? Rather than question God, would you prefer to be as dumb as the animals? If so, why then get an education? Are kids who drop out of school just being “religiously correct”?
Dumb & Dumber
Questions for God
God, are You all-knowing?
God: Yes.
Did you create Judaism, Christianity, Buddhism, Islam and Hinduism?
God: Yes.
Which ones will make it into Heaven?
God: Only Christians.
So why did you create the others? Why condemn mankind if You knew that Adam & Eve would sin?
God answered: “As it is written, it is all for My pleasure.”
Bill Moyers wrote a great book titled “Genesis” containing perspectives by a mixed bag of world-famous religious experts. Some were selected here due to their views concerning the Bible and its God. The words are intrinsically important within their own contexts.
Get Bill Moyer’s awesome book: “Genesis”.
Quotes:
Was man alone? Was Eve presented to Adam to serve as his helper?
Does God put delicious, but “Forbidden Fruit”, in the middle of a garden? Then, does God create an “Evil Serpent” and place it near naive Adam and Eve? Is this a set up or what?
Does “The Serpent” ask the Bible’s first questions and initiate the first conversation?
So, are Adam and Eve not supposed to learn “The Knowledge of Good & Evil”?
Is it because wisdom belongs to God alone?
God makes a command Eve turns into an option. Eve is the one who makes it all happen.
Do these Bible stories teach us about God or about ourselves? If it is about God, then, what about God?
Did Eve get Adam in trouble? Could “sin”, introduced by a woman, be but a bum rap?
God didn’t want Adam and Eve to grow up like parents who don’t want their children to mature and become sexually aware. God is jealous.
The Bible sets it up that Adam either obeys God or the woman. Is one bad and one good?
Didn’t the Serpent, in essence, call God a liar? Did The Serpent prove God to be a liar?
Was God angry because God was disobeyed?
The Serpent can’t be right, for wouldn’t that make God wrong?
Did Eve trust the Serpent to tell the truth and not God?
Is the Bible’s first incident of trust, misplaced trust?
Why did God put forbidden fruit and the Serpent in the garden?
When God gave man choice, did He give man keys to vehicles that drive God nuts?
Why did this all-knowing God ask questions? Isn’t that more of an intelligent Human quality?
In ancient times, wasn’t the snake a symbol of fertility, wisdom and health?
Didn’t God introduce prohibition, limitation and boundaries?
Adam and Eve both denied, pointed the finger and covered up. Lessons God taught them.
Do believers even question how Eve was made from Adam’s rib?
Does God change His mood, shame His children and kick them out of the house?
What’s wrong if one knows that they are naked?
Does to be created in God’s image mean we are free to choose evil as well as good?
Was God insane and suffering from the beginning?
Genesis 4:1-2 Adam had sex with Eve. They beget Cain (1st) then Abel. (Twins)
Genesis 4:3-8 Cain brought a crop offering to God. God accepts Abel’s animal sacrifice and rejects Cain’s crop offering.
Hebrews 11:4 By faith, Abel offered to God a sacrifice greater than Cain’s.
Ok, whose idea was it to make the first offering to God? Cain, you say? Wow!
4:7 God said to Cain: If you do well, shall you not be accepted? And if you do not do well, sin lies at the door.
Ah, “sin” is “not doing well” according to God.
Genesis 4:8 Cain couldn’t handle God’s rejection and killed Abel.
God Rejected Cain Cain Killed Abel
Couldn’t the know-it-all Biblical God see this coming? Was it fair of God to reject Cain? Was it because Cain offered crops and did not sacrifice a living animal? Why did the Biblical God reject Cain’s gift?
First, in the Bible, Humans are disobedient. Next is an offering to God. Then, murder!
Genesis 4:9 God asked Cain: Where is Abel, your brother?
Again, either God was ignorant or deceptive.
Cain asked God: Am I my brother’s keeper?
God created Abel. Cain certainly did not create Abel. Was this God’s project / experiment or was it Cain’s? Why did God create Cain the way he was? How did Abel, by faith and God’s grace, make out? Was God’s will done? Didn’t innocent Abel get killed on God’s watch? How can God be considered to be the protector of the innocent? Did God make a mistake? What is God’s track record so far? Was this all for God’s pleasure? Do you know any authoritarians who will not admit to God’s mistakes, or to their own? If this “omnipotent” God has everything pre-ordained, did Cain have any choice in killing Abel?
In Hebrew “Abel” (Hevel) means nothingness or futility. Ouch! Abel, the innocent victim, is erased. Isn’t God instrumental in this story where someone becomes evil?
Note: Abel has no dialog, nothing to contribute, except his life. Cain is the star of the show. The Biblical God proves to be ignorant, mean, incompetent and just plain evil.
Was Abel the 1st sacrificial lamb to God? Didn’t God later reward the murderer, Cain, with a wife, and a city? Didn’t God make a Cain a promise of protection – which God later broke?
Myth: Romulus killed his brother Remus, yet Rome was named after Romulus. Why would Romulus, the murderer, be honored the city’s name and not his brother, Remus, the innocent victim?
The New Testament mentions Adam and Eve but the Hebrew scripture never again mentions Adam and Eve. Why? Wouldn’t you think that they would have had a more sacred status? Maybe they were never mentioned again because the later Jewish authors considered it to be all a fraud.
The Biblical God proves to be jealous of and punitive to all of the species He made. God proves to be deficient in understanding and low in tolerance. Is this an accurate picture of the Biblical God or not? Is this depiction of God the same image you carry within your heart or your head?
If Adam and Eve were not created to be immortal, how could you know?
Genesis 3:22 God asked: Now that man has become like one of us, knowing good from bad, what if he should eat from the tree of life and live forever?
Did God’s Creation prove to be imperfect?
Why would God question anything when God knows it all?
Did God say that man has become a God like one of us?
Did God want man to live forever?
Was it Jesus who later brought mankind Eternal Life so that He could send sinners into Eternal Torment?
God Allowed Satan To Tempt Eve To Temp Adam?
Genesis 5:1 God made man in His likeness.
If so, does this explained man’s immorality?
Abraham
Sarah
Genesis 12:12-19 Abraham told his wife / half-sister Sarah to lie. Pharaoh said: Why did you say she is my sister so that I took her for my wife? Catholic.
Genesis 13:12-13 Abraham, God’s hero, tells his wife / half-sister Sarah to lie.
Genesis 13:19 Unlike the KJV, the Catholic version states that the Pharaoh said: I took her for my wife. Did Pharaoh have sex with Sarah? Idealistic believers would automatically insist no.
Under Hebrew law, a marriage is not a marriage, and a wife is not legally a wife unless the union is consummated by sex. Oh, what to believe! Did Pharaoh have sex with Sarah? Again, in the Catholic Bible, Pharaoh said: I took her for my wife. What would a religious fundamentalist say?
Genesis 13:2 Now, Abram was rich in livestock, silver and gold.
Was Abraham our first pimp? Did old, “Honest Abe” gain this wealth by being a con man and a pimp for his wife, Sarah? Do you think Abraham and Sarah would ever try this pimp-agenda again? It was profitable.
Genesis 16:1-10 Sarah gave to Abraham Hagar, her handmaid, for sex and children. Abraham had intercourse with Hagar who conceived Abraham’s son, Ishmael.
So Abraham, the swinger, had sex with Sarah’s servant, Hagar the Egyptian, with Sarah’s consent? Maybe Sarah, the swinger, did have sex with Pharaoh.
Abraham / Hagar / Sarah: The Bible’s First Threesome?
Genesis 16:4-6 Abraham had sex with Hagar and made her pregnant. Pregnant Hagar looked with contempt on her mistress Sarah, so Sarah abused Hagar and Hagar left.
An Angel of God said to Hagar: Go back to your mistress and submit yourself to her abusive treatment. Catholic
God’s Angel told Hagar to go back to Sarah’s abuse.
How can an unchanging / pure / good / fair / just God possibly approve of Sarah’s abuse of Hagar? Is adultery conditional, by consent, in God’s eyes? Did Sarah, the mother of the Judeo-Christian religion abuse Hagar by female circumcision? How could a good / loving / sensitive / moral God send Hagar back for more abuse? Doesn’t God control His messengers / Angels?
Does God also show virtue by condoning Sarah’s assault / abuse of Hagar? Aren’t prisons full of righteous, God-like, Christian wife-abusers and child-beaters? Today, statistically, more women are murdered in the United States of America by domestic violence than by any other single means.
Azizah Y. Al-Hibri Ph.D.; Law professor, Islamic: One commentary says: Sarah was so mad at Hagar because of Abraham’s attention that she decided to mutilate her in some way to make her less interesting. And that’s how female-circumcision started.
Whoa! What? Really? Sarah! That is despicable! Sarah, are you really the mother of two main religions? Is mutilating a woman’s sex organs part of your Judeo-Christian ethic? If so, Sarah, shame on you – big time! Abraham and Hagar started, through the prophet, Mohammed, the Islamic religion by having Ishmael?
Azizah Y. Al-Hibri Ph.D.
Genesis 18:22 The Lord remained standing before Abraham.
Really? Face to face?
Exodus 33:20 God states: No man sees My face and lives.
Can this possibly qualify as a Bible contradiction?
Genesis 18:25 Abraham asked God about the destruction of Sodom and Gomorra: Far be it from You to do such a thing, to make the innocent die with the guilty? Should not the judge of all the world act with justice?
Nah – God destroys them anyway. Did Abraham question the morality, fairness, and decency of God, and live? Did Abraham, like Moses did twice in Exodus 32:11-14 and Numbers 14:13-20, attempt to teach God morality?
Abraham and Moses both questioned God fairness and morality and seeing God lacking, actually tried to make corrections.
In Genesis 20 Abraham and Sarah, again, pass themselves off to King Abimelech as brother and sister. The same, pimp and hook, con job happens again. The King catches the con-game in time, yet he pays off Abraham with herds, gold, and land.
Shame on both Abraham and Sarah, the father and mother of the Judeo-Christian religions!
Land / Herds / Gold
INCEST
God was against incest in Leviticus 18:6-18.
Many of God’s heroes were products of incest.
Genesis 2:21-22 Eve came from Adam.
Genesis 4:1 Adam impregnated Eve.
Genesis 20:12 Abraham had married his half-sister, Sarah. They had the same father and different mothers.
Genesis 19:30-35 Lot had sex with and impregnated his two (2) daughters.
Genesis 24:67 Isaac & Rebekah. Isaac is Abraham’s son. Rebekah is the granddaughter of Nahor, Abraham’s brother.
Exodus 6:20 Amram & his father’s sister, Jochebed were Moses’ parents.
2 Samuel 13 King David’s son Amnon had sex with his half-sister, Tamar.
Genesis 29 Jacob married and impregnated Rachel, daughter of his cousin, Laban. They were the parents of Joseph & Benjamin.
Jacob also married Rachael’s sister, Leah. They were parents of Reuben, Simeon, Levi, Judah, Simeon, Issachar, Zebulun, Dinah.
Jacob had 2 concubines, Bilhah & Zilpah, who were half-sisters of Rachel & Leah. Bilhah had Dan & Naphtali. Zilpah had Gad & Asher.
The 12 Tribes of Israel were named after Jacob’s sons and grandsons: Asher, Dan, Ephraim, Gad, Issachar, Manasseh, Naphtali, Reuben, Simeon, Zebulun, Judah and Benjamin.
Of these 12 twelve tribes, only Judah and Benjamin survived. The 10 “lost tribes” were conquered and exiled by the King of Assyria in 721 BC.
Incest! Many of God’s main heroes: Abraham, Isaac, Jacob and his 12 tribes / sons, and later, Moses are products of or participated in incest. If the Biblical God was in control and incest was His preferred agenda to produce His heroes, how can God condemn incest in Leviticus? How can incest be illegal today – if God can’t be wrong?
Genesis 21:14 Abraham sent Hagar and Ishmael away.
Hagar & Ishmael
Does this also indicate that “Abraham was a dead-beat dad” to Ishmael?
Genesis 22:1-12 Abraham was stopped just short of murdering his own son, Isaac because God ordered it.
Does this also indicate that Abraham was a “dead-beat” dad?
What’s going on, Dad? God wants me to sacrifice you.
God, I Am Really Pissed!
it is all for God’s pleasure
This is going to Hurt
What do you want?
You countered God’s order?
Don’t Tell Your Mother son.
Israelite Child Sacrifice
God Stopped Abraham’s Child Sacrifice
God Accepted Jephthah’s Child Sacrifice
God Sacrificed His Own Child, Jesus Christ
Genesis 22:23 God did tempt Abraham.
Did you think that was Satan’s job?
Catholic Recap: God promises Abraham, age 75, to be the father of nations. When Sarah is 76 she sends Hagar, her Egyptian handmaid, in to have sex with Abraham, then 86. Abraham consents to adultery which produces Ishmael – and about 4,000 years of war in the Middle East. Sarah hears God say that she will have a child and laughs at God’s words. She lies to God by denying it. Still, when Abraham is 100, God rewards Sarah, 90, for her role in His plan and gives her Isaac (which means laughter) whom Abraham almost sacrifices. After Isaac’s “called-off” sacrifice, never again is there any Biblical conversation between Isaac or Sarah and Abraham.
Some parents are horrified by this story of God’s child abuse. What is a dysfunctional family or a dysfunctional god? The Koran has scenarios whereby Abraham and Ishmael later built monuments together in Mecca.
Genesis 24:35 God gave Abraham male and female slaves.
Isn’t this Chapter and Verse evidence that the “good” Biblical God condones slavery? How can it not be? As long as one Bible exists, these controversial C&Vs won’t go away.
Genesis 25:1-6 After Sarah died, Abraham married Keturah and had 6 more sons. He had some other kids by some concubines.
Abraham, the old stud, died at 175 years of age.
Genesis 25:13-17 Ishmael had 12 sons who became 12 tribes.
Were the upcoming 12 tribes of Jacob / Israel but a counter to Ishmael’s 12 Arabic tribes?
Robert Alter Ph.D. Professor of Hebrew: The Biblical writers worked both sides of the street. That’s part of the greatness of the Bible. Ishmael’s, the “wild ass of a man” in Biblical poetry is probably a positive image.
Genesis 25:23 God answered (spoke to) Rebekah.
God does speak to women. So far God has spoken to Eve, Sarah and now Rebekah. Rabbis mostly discount women in the Bible.
Genesis 25:20-26 Isaac and Rebekah had twins, Jacob and Esau.
Genesis 25:28 Isaac loved Esau. Rebekah loved Jacob.
Malachi 1:3 / Romans 9:13 God said: I loved Jacob and I hated Esau.
Behold: God’s word is hated – not loved less.
Stephan Mitchell, writer, poet, Zen healer: God’s favoritism, from Cain & Abel onward causes great pain.
Genesis 25:31-33 Jacob got (bought or cheated for) Esau’s birthright. (About 1970 BC)
Q: Is Jacob another wholesome, moral God model? Jacob duped his father, Isaac, and stole his older brother Esau’s birthright. Jacob proves to be a thief, a liar and a con man. Don’t God’s heroes serve as models and show the impressionable that if you want something bad enough you lie, cheat and steal for it? Doesn’t it show that God will bless you for it, especially if your mom, whom God has talked to, is your accomplice?
Believer: None of these things would ever cross my mind.
Now that this is pointed out to you – does it register in your mind?
Believer: Na.
Bill Moyers: This is a story of a mother / son team of con-artists, who connive through trickery and deceit to cheat a blind man and his oldest son out of the family blessing.
Genesis 26:2 God spoke to Isaac.
Later, God spoke to Jacob.
“Hope” always has an anxiety with it and a sense of discontentment. If it were not for “hope” 90% of therapists and 100% of clergy would be out of business.
One’s “misery” is usually in direct proportion to one’s “expectation”.
Exposing all these controversial Biblical C&Vs settles nothing. It is what you personally think and feel about these C&Vs that settles things for you.
Genesis 26:7-13 Isaac lied to King Abimelech of the Philistines saying that his wife Rebekah was his sister.
Rebekah & Isaac
Just like Abraham and Sarah, Isaac did the: She’s my sister! She’s my wife con! Now, pay me off! God also made Isaac very rich. Was Isaac trying to be pimp number 2 like Abraham, his father, by God’s plan and consent? Did King Abimelech pay off Isaac like he paid off Abraham in Genesis 20?
Most parents don’t read these corrupt stories to their children because these stories tend to disturb both parent and child. Children tend to ask honest, point-blank questions. The parent may have to answer some sensitive questions concerning the Biblical God’s heroes’ ethics, fairness and morals that could prove awkward for all concerned.
When children hear these Biblical stories, most say innocently and accurately that God and His heroes were the bad guys. Is it when the children become parents that God is suddenly supported as the good guy? Why? Do parents tend to use God as an invisible supervisor and punisher on their children? Do children know right from wrong better than adults or does the God concept prove to be just an authoritative power-trip?
Note: The Old Testament Jews had no Satan, afterlife, Heaven, Hell nor salvation. Abraham’s “One God of Abraham” did it all. Some Jews started to write about Satan, afterlife, Heaven, Hell and salvation about 530 BC after being exposed and influenced by another religion, Zoroastrianism. Click on Zoroastrianism later.
Didn’t Abraham and Isaac both lie about their wives being their sisters? By these Kings taking their wives for sex, didn’t they both gain great wealth?
If your child did ask you what all this meant, what would you tell them?
Genesis 27:41-46 Esau bore a grudge for Jacob because Jacob got Esau’s birthright. He said: I will kill my brother. Jacob’s mother warned Jacob and sent him to her brother (uncle) Laban for safety – and to get a wife.
Uncle Laban gave Daughter Rachel to Cousin Jacob
Incest is best?
Genesis 28:1-2 Isaac said to Jacob: You shall not marry a Canaanite woman. Go choose a wife from among the daughters of your uncle Laban. Catholic
By Isaac saying this to his son Jacob, Isaac promoted incest.
God is Bible C&V documented to be against incest. Incest is just fine with these Biblical Heroes!
Why not a Canaanite woman? Doesn’t The Land of Canaan eventually become The Promised Land? Oh, that’s right. God’s “chosen” had to murder all of the men, women and children so to steal their land. Oops, an information leak of “God’s Evil Deeds!” Sorry.
Genesis 28:12-17 In a dream, Jacob saw a ladder with God’s Angels ascending and descending on it. He saw God above it Who told him that He was God and that He would be with Jacob. Jacob awoke, was afraid and said: Surely, this is The Lord’s Place. How dreadful is this place! This is the house of God, the gate of Heaven. KJV
What do you think of God’s hero who actually said that God’s house was dreadful?
Some prefer to hide behind nonsensical “faith” because the Bible’s, chapter and verse, facts are too painful for them.
Bill Moyers: For me, Jacob’s dream would be a nightmare. Knowing what happened to the people after they were chosen, I would say: Oh no! Not me! Take Esau!
Thank you Bill Moyers!
Genesis 28:22 Jacob vowed to God 10% back of what he gets from God.
Ah, Jacob provides the 2nd example, after Abraham, of paying regular, systematic, consistent and routine 10% tithes?
When God re-names Abram, Abraham, he always remains Abraham. When God re-names Jacob – Israel, God still calls him Jacob.
Israel:
Is = Isis / Ishtar (Gods)
Ra = Sun God
El = Elohim (God)
Is-Ra-El = Israel: Hmmm, interesting…
Genesis 29:10-11 Jacob met Rachel at a well and kissed her.
Jacob Kissed Rachel at the Well
Jacob marries his Uncle Laban’s 2 daughters, Leah and Rachel. Jacob preferred Rachel whose Biblical hero son was Joseph.
But guess what! Leah is the wife that Jesus Christ’s lineage came through with her son, Judah.
Now for the bad news. You are probably not going to like this: Judah paid Tamar, his daughter-in-law for sex and they perpetuated Jesus Christ’s sacred lineage / bloodline. That’s one of 2 sex workers is Jesus’ bloodline. Rahab-the-Harlot comes later.
Believer: Well, I never!!! I never heard of that!!! And how dare you write such a thing – even if it is true!!! I’ve never been so offended!!!
Hummm. Again, Jacob married his 4 cousins? That is incest. God commanded against incest.
In Exodus 2:15-21 Moses drove some men away for a well. Seven daughters told their father about him. Moses married Zipporah.
Zipporah means Ladybird. That sounds like President Lyndon Johnson’s wife’s name. Coincidence?
It seems, in the OT, the old well / watering-hole is a sure fired place to meet the ladies, but only if you take sex serious.
Genesis 29:9-30 Jacob’s uncle Laban had 2 daughters, Leah and Rachel. Leah was older with lovely (weak) eyes (Torah). Rachel was well-formed and beautiful. Jacob met cousin Rachel watering the herds and kissed her. Jacob fell in love with Rachel and offered to work 7 years for her. After 7 years, Jacob asked for her but Laban, her father, tricked Jacob and brought him Leah, his elder daughter. Jacob consummated their marriage by having sex with her. Jacob asked Laban: Why did you dupe me? It is Rachel I worked seven years for. Jacob’s uncle Laban explained the custom of marrying-off the oldest first and then offered Rachel, for another 7 years work. Jacob consummated (had sex with) Rachel also and began another seven years work.
Leah, Rachel, Laban & Jacob
Isn’t the “good-book” full of lies and deceit? How about God’s Biblical Heroes? Is the Bible truly a “good” and “moral” model for your children? Does the Bible and it’s God promote and protect mental health?
Genesis 29:31-35 God saw that Leah was unloved. He made her fruitful while the loved Rachel remained barren. Leah bore four (4) sons.
Leah later bore Jacob six (6) sons total.
Ah, the diabolical-mind and character of God. Would God have Rachel die in childbirth?
Note: For me, the Catholic “Easy-English” Bible is often easier to understand and clearer than the KJV. However, its content is, on occasion, one or more verses off the King James Version.
Genesis 30:1-17 Rachel was jealous of (her sister) Leah and gave to Jacob her handmaid, Bilhah. Jacob had sex with Bilhah and she conceived twice, both sons. When Leah saw she ceased to bear children, she gave Jacob her handmaid Zilpah and he had sex with her. She also conceived twice, 2 sons. Leah paid Rachel with mandrake, a fertility aphrodisiac, for an evening of sex with Jacob and she bore a 5th son.
Ah, Bible “Viagra” for God’s Biblical Heroes!
Torah Notes: Some say that Bilhah and Zilpah were sisters. Others say they were also Laban’s daughters. If factual, this makes them all blood relatives to our 40-year-old stud, Cousin Jacob.
What?
Yep! The Torah notes actually infers that all four (4) of Jacobs wives were daughters of Laban. If true, that’s pure cousin incest! God’s “chosen” 12 Hebrew tribes were all founded on incest!
Genesis 29:13-14. This is more evidence of Bible incest as was Sarah being the half-sister & wife of Abraham.
Genesis 30:18-19 Leah said: God has given me my reward for letting my husband have (sex with) my handmaid. Catholic
Wow! God rewarded Leah for letting her husband have sex with her handmaid. Oh, the sin! God rewards sin! Or, a wife letting her husband have sex with another woman is not sin in the Biblical God’s eyes. Which is it? Sarah suggested that Abraham have sex with Hagar, her handmaid. It runs in the family.
Leah then bore a 6th son.
What? Wow! The immorality! This must be misinterpreted! Oh, the sin! Kids, close your eyes!
Genesis 30:22-24 Then, Rachel bore her first son, Joseph (who goes on to control Egypt).
Is cousin Jacob (the stud) lucky or what? Through incest / inbreeding (if the Torah notes are correct) Jacob’s twelve sons become the 12 tribes of Israel. Righteous and healthy genetic roots, huh?
There was really no reason for inbreeding as there were plenty of people on planet Earth at that time. This Biblical God’s behavior displays some pretty kinky ideas.
Genesis 30:39-43 Jacob cheats his uncle Laban, father of his (2 or 4) wives, by herd selective breeding techniques and becomes a wealthy man.
Here is more C&V documentation that Jacob, the sacred father of the Twelve Tribes of Israel, was a liar and a cheat. How could a “perfect” God choose such people?
Genesis 31:19-20 Rachel stole her father’s golden idols (controversial, pagan stuff). Jacob, behind Laban’s back, secretly departs.
Were Rachel, Leah, Bilhah and Zilpah all pagans too? I doubt if Leah was as she was in Christ’s lineage.
Genesis 31:31-35 Jacob said: I left secretly because I was afraid. I thought you would take your daughters away from me by force. If you find your gods with anyone here, let him not live. Jacob had not realized that his favorite wife Rachel had stolen them from her father. Rachel sits on and hides her father Laban’s stolen stuff and says: I cannot rise in your presence. The woman’s period is upon me.
Biblical reference: A woman did not perform due to having her period. Jacob, the father of God’s 12 tribes is an incest bigamist. Jacob cheats his brother and, along with his mother, coned his father. Jacob cheats, then sneaks away from, his pagan uncle / father-in-law, Laban. Rachel, the mother of 2 of the future 12 tribes is, by documented evidence, a thief and a liar. Is this all ok and to be overlooked by God – or you?
The 12 Tribes of Israel
1. Reuben, Son of Leah
2. Simeon, Son of Leah
3. Levi, Son of Leah
4. Judah, Son of Leah – lineage of Jesus Christ.
5. Dan, Son of Bilhah
6. Naphtali, Son of Bilhah
7. Gad, Son of Zilpah
8. Asher, Son of Zilpah
9. Issachar, Son of Leah
10. Zebulon, Son of Leah
Joseph, Son of Rachel – there is no tribe of Joseph. Manasseh and Ephraim were Joseph’s sons.
11. Manasseh, Son of Joseph’s Egyptian Wife
11. Ephraim, Son of Joseph’s Egyptian Wife
12. Benjamin, Son of Rachel
Does anyone count 13 tribes?
Genesis 31:52 With hostile intent neither may I pass beyond this mount onto your territory, nor may you pass beyond it into mine.
From Genesis 31:52, I, Gary DeVaney, developed and wrote a perspective that I call “22 Acres”!
Genesis 32:8 Jacob fears meeting his brother Esau. He divides his holdings into two (2) companies; hoping, if confronted, he would not lose more than one (1) of them.
God chose Ishmael and Isaac, according to the Bible and the Koran. For over 4,000 years, Islam, and Hebrews (Arabs and Jews) have slaughtered each other throughout Earth’s history. Islam, later brought war on 9-11-2001 to the USA.
Why does “The One God / Allah” require a constant buffet of sacrifice, destruction and murder between them, especially if He is the one God / Allah and the one boss over both of them?
Genesis 32:24-29 Jacob wrestled a man… KJV
King James stated just one (1) time that Jacob wrestled a man, not an Angel nor a God. The Catholic version, Genesis 32:25-30, emphasized Jacob wrestled a man five (5) times and then it turns “the Angel” (a messenger of God) into God Himself. This is evident because Jacob stated in verse 31 that he had seen God face to face.
Genesis 32:30 Jacob said: I have seen God face to face and my life is preserved. KJV
Genesis 32:31 Jacob said: Because I have seen God face to face. Catholic
Genesis 33:10 Jacob said to Esau: I have seen thy face as though I had seen the face of God.
When Jacob gets excited, it seems that he sees God’s face everywhere.
Did Jacob Wrestle a man, an Angel or the Biblical God?
Contradiction: Exodus 33:20 states no one sees God’s face and lives.
Does anyone see a major contradiction here? Do you? How would you spin or discount it?
Jacob had lied earlier to his brother Esau.
Jacob deceived his father for his stolen birth-right.
Jacob lied to his uncle / father-in-law Laban.
Character investigators may view Jacob’s word and credibility to be a little shaky.
How do you view Jacob?
Bill Moyers: To wrestle is the embrace of adversaries, not love. A Jewish friend of mine said: I wish Jacob had lost because our people have paid a price far greater than that wound on the thigh. It isn’t worth it to have been chosen.
Bill Moyers
John Barth: Professor / writer: “But that’s to miss the other side of God, the terrifying side of God. I would like your picture of God to be like the God in the Bible, but as I read it, it’s only half the picture. The other half is that He is a mysterious, terrifying, wounding adversary against whom we all struggle. The God whom Jacob confronts terrifies him.”
Genesis 33:1-4 Jacob saw Esau approach with 400 men. He placed the handmaids with their children in front (to be slaughtered 1st) then, Leah and their sons next and behind them Rachel and Joseph. Jacob prostrated himself seven times as he approached his brother. Esau and Jacob just hugged and kissed.
Burt Visotzky: “Jacob puts the concubines and their children up front. He then puts Leah and her children behind them and Rachael and Joseph he keeps at the back. Then he actual cries out loud: If somebody’s got to go, let it be the front troops. We’ll save the guys in the back. How horrible it had to be for his sons to hear their father say: Ok, you guys in the front lines, you’re cannon fodder. If you die it’s not so terrible as long as the boys in the back are saved. The horror they must have felt.”
Genesis 34 Dinah, Jacob’s daughter, age 12, was raped by Shechem the Hivite. He fell in love and wanted to marry her. He, and his father, pleaded the matter of marrying her when Jacob’s sons became righteously indignant. They said that they would agree to the inter-marriage and forgive if all of Schechem’s men would get circumcised. They agreed and did get circumcised, and while they were in pain, Jacob’s sons and their men massacred Schechem, his father, every male and stole their wealth, flocks and made all their women and children captives.
Aren’t these God’s “chosen” models who became the “sacred” 12 tribes of Israel?
Genesis 35:9-10 God appeared to Jacob again and said: You shall no longer be called Jacob, but Israel shall be your name.
Then, in Genesis 35:14,15 & 20, the Bible immediately refers to Jacob again as Jacob. Why? Jacob is called Israel 3 times and then Biblical scripture reverts back to again calling him Jacob.
A proper English teacher would probably criticize the Bible’s content and continuity.
Then, Genesis 35:21-22 starts out with: “Israel” moved on. In Gen 37, he is referred to as “Israel”, then starting chapter 47 it’s back to “Jacob”.
What? Of course, it matters, due to the fact that God said: He would no longer be called “Jacob”. Why would the Biblical God fib?
The Biblical writers didn’t follow God’s direction, you say? It’s not important?
Then, at his death in Genesis 47:27-31, “Jacob” is suddenly “Israel” again.
Genesis 35:19-22 Rachel died in childbirth having Benjamin. Reuben, one of Jacob’s sons by Leah, had sex with Bilhah, one of Jacob’s concubines. When Jacob heard about it, he was greatly offended.
God takes Rachel, whom Jacob loved. Jacob suffered greatly. So, this is how God blesses His “chosen”.
But, don’t worry about Reuben’s transgression of having sex with one of Jacob’s women. God’s blind justice obviously peeks again.
Genesis 35:23-26 Jacob’s sons by Leah were: Reuben, Simon, Levi, Judah, Issachar and Zebulon; by Rachel were: Joseph and Benjamin; by Bilhah were: Dan and Naphtali; by Zilpah were: Gad and Asher.
The Family Tree of Israel’s 12 Tribes
So what – you say? So, these 12 model sons started the 12 Biblical tribes. What is strange is Joseph did not become a tribe. Ephraim and Manasseh, Joseph’s sons by an Egyptian mother, became tribes. Why?
Perspective for debate: Mostly, how we were created and behave is promoted by our genes. Our behaviors are altered by reward and punishment (the tools of dog training) by those who raise, educate and assume authority over us. The need to “believe” is mostly a need to “obey”. Individuality seems to be instinctive in the genes. No psychiatrist nor brain surgeon has ever located, within the brain, where the sub-conscious mind / ego resides. The sub-conscious mind / ego has to function in relation to the genes. As adults, can we change or re-program our genes? If we stick to stubborn “belief”, won’t we remain unlearned, or the way we are? Thinking brings change. Only if we dare to think and grow, can we make decisions to change and better our lives. An unchanging ego, like the unchanging Biblical God, just can’t be wrong.
Isn’t questioning, searching for, finding and acknowledging facts better than living a lie?
Joseph
Genesis 37: Joseph, Jacob’s and Rachel’s oldest son, was hated by his brothers because he told them that in his dreams the brothers knelt down to him, and he ruled them. They plotted to kill Joseph. Instead, they sold Joseph (age 17) to the Ishmaelites for twenty pieces of silver. They, in turn, sold him to Potiphar, The Pharaoh’s steward. (About 1870 BC)
Jacob deceived his father, Isaac, with a fur skin pretending he was his brother Esau. Jacob was deceived with a bloody coat by his sons saying his son Joseph was dead. What irony.
Genesis 41:45 & 46:19 Joseph marries Asenath, an Egyptian woman, and has two (2) sons, Manasseh and Ephraim.
Again, didn’t Ephraim become the biggest of the 12 tribes? Why did that tribe carry the name Ephraim, Joseph’s son who is half-Egyptian, instead of being called the tribe of Joseph? Wasn’t marrying a pagan Egyptian a sin for a “God-chosen” Israelite? Manasseh also had his own tribe.
Seyyed Hossein Nasr, PhD. Islamic Professor: The Qur’an speaks of Joseph as a prophet of great beauty, and the love between Joseph and Zulaykha, another great beauty, who is Potiphar’s wife. In the Islamic world many women are called Zulaykha. She is a heroine. Persian miniatures depict the love of Joseph and Zulaykha. She is a major romantic hero in Islamic literature. When Muslim women get married, they open the Qur’an to the story of Joseph.
Seyyed Hossein Nasr
They have a love never realized on the human plane but represents the intensity of the attraction.
Rabbi Burton Visotski: Joseph is 17 years old. He is very attractive to men and women alike and he knows how to use this beauty. He knows the full heat of a seventeen-year-old. How could he have resisted the charms of Potiphar’s wife. He’s damned if he does and he’s damned if he doesn’t. She is his boss. He is her slave. And she commands him to lie (have sex) with her. Maybe for the first time in his life he’s faced with a delicious choice and goes to jail for saying no. He is so sexually ambiguous that he appeals to both men and women. Like women, he is the one who gets caught in the trap.
Doesn’t Rabbi Visotski infer here that men are attracted to Joseph because of how Joseph looked and acted? What could the Holy Bible and Rabbi Visotski both be inferring here? Hummm…
Francisco O. Garcia – Treto, Ph.D. Minister: God does not appear in the story of Joseph as a character. I have to deal with the Joseph story and the Bible. It’s part of my tradition.
Phyllis Trible, PhD. Writer: The Bible is not a sanitized book. It does not have a single point of view. It comes to us full of conflicts and contradictions and problems. A text may one day be the word of God and another day it may not be the word of God.
Rabbi Burt Visotzky: The words don’t change. They’re always the same words, whether it’s Genesis or Deuteronomy. What changes is the way we read.
Bill Moyers asked Rabbi Visotzky: How do you read this and find God in it?
The Pharaoh of Joseph’s time seems like a nice guy. Did the relationship with the Jews turn the Pharaoh about Moses’ time 400 years later into a mean guy? Other than Joseph, didn’t the Jewish experience and their God turned out to be disastrous for Egypt?
Genesis 38:9-10 Onan, when he had sex with his brother’s widow, would waste his seed on the ground. What he did greatly offended God, so, God murdered him. KJV
Was it masturbation or the birth control that offended God? What? Both, you say?
Genesis 38:15-18 Judah saw Tamar and not realizing she was his daughter-in-law, asked to have sex with her. She replied: What will you pay me for letting you have sex with me? He pledged payment, and got her pregnant.
Judah paid Tamar for Sex
What kind of models has the “Holy” Bible given boys and girls over the generations?
Genesis 38:24-27 Judah was going to have Tamar burned for adultery until he found out the kid(s) were his. She (Tamar) conceived twins.
What hypocrisy! What would he have done if these twins were not his?
Tamar sold sex to Judah. Tamar proved to be at least a one-time hooker. Tamar, through her son Perez, was in King David’s and Jesus Christ’s lineage and bloodline?
Believer: What?
Sorry, don’t miss Hagar-the-Harlot. She also was in King David’s & Jesus Christ’s bloodline, lineage.
Morality check: Some object to taking issue with the Biblical God or God’s “heroes”. This Bible project takes issue with the evil and controversial C&Vs written in the Bible. Would you knowingly protect evil out of fear?
Genesis 39: Where Joseph stayed in Egypt, the Potiphar’s wife, Zalikhah, kept after him to have sex with her. He refused her and she told her master (husband) he tried to rape her. Potiphar threw Joseph in jail.
Islamic women, who are getting married, especially value this story?
Genesis 40-43 Joseph successfully interpreted some dreams with prison cellmates. One got out. Two years later the Pharaoh complained of bad dreams. Joseph’s former cellmate told the Pharaoh about Joseph and Joseph foretold the future of Egypt for Pharaoh. Pharaoh made Joseph the Governor of the country in charge of the grain, and food. Jacob sent Joseph’s eleven brothers, minus Benjamin, to Pharaoh to buy grain. Joseph recognized his brothers bowing before him. The brothers did not recognize Joseph. He called them spies and then threw them in jail for three days. Joseph kept one brother, Simon, in jail, and sent the rest of his brothers back to their father with full grain sacks and all their money. Jacob said: (42:36) Why must such things always happen to me? They took gifts, their brother Benjamin, double the money and went back to Joseph. Joseph invited them for dinner but did not sit with them. Egyptians may not eat with Hebrews; it is abhorrent to them.
Genesis 44-50: Joseph sent them all back with sacks full of grain, all their money and his silver cup. They were stopped and accused of stealing the cup. Emotions rise! Joseph comes clean and exposes who he really is and they are all one happy family. Joseph sends for the whole family to move to Egypt.
The 12 Tribes Of Israel
The 12 named tribes of Israel are: Reuben, Simeon, Dan, Levi, Judah, Naphtali, Gad, Asher, Issachar, Zebulon, Manasseh and Benjamin.
Question: What happened to the tribe of Joseph? His tribe is named after his son Manasseh, but the biggest tribe of Ephraim is missing. Why? Some inquiring minds want to know.
Genesis 47:27-31 Jacob requests a pledge of loyalty by having Joseph put his hand under his thigh (hold Jacob’s testicles in his hand) while swearing an oath.
The Tradition of Squeezing Testicles to Swear an Oath
So, apparently it is a tradition that one Israelite man would hold another Israelite man’s “balls” in his hand while swearing an oath. Wow! I’m glad that tradition never caught on.
This holding of testicles is also where the word “testify” comes from.
Torah Notes: Jacob’s family of about 70, comes to Egypt, builds over 400 years into a total population estimated to be between 2 to 3 million people – which Moses took out of Egypt. Actually, about 1 million were of other races and nationalities. Many were black Africans who joined in with the Hebrews.
This becomes Moses’ Exodus from Egypt. Their God promised them “A Promised Land” flowing with milk and honey. What could God have in mind for them? Peace? Harmony? Na, God kills most of “His Chosen” by ordered them to murder foreign cities full of men, women and children. God did this to steal their “Promised Land”.
Excerpts from Time Magazine, October 28, 1996:
Rabbi Burton Visotzky PhD used to think of God’s Biblical guys as heroes. He was an expert on the Torah. But by going through a divorce, he experienced a religious crisis: As he read the Torah aloud in temple, he saw Abraham and his wife bickering and acting appalling toward their children. The blinders fell off. He said: This dysfunctional family was my family in every way.
Rabbi Visotzky: “Abraham allows Sarah, his wife, to be taken into Pharaoh’s harem both to ensure the couple safe passage through Egypt and so all may go well with me.”
“Abraham got rich with Pharoah and did it again later. He’s an incest practicing pimp!”
G: Wow! Rabbi, you’ve got balls!
Rabbi Visotzky: “Sarah, who is barren, offers her slave, Hagar, to Abraham as a surrogate mother, but when Hagar gets pregnant, Sarah becomes jealous and abuses her.”
“Lot has sex with his daughters.”
Genesis 34:5-7 Jacob, enraged at the rape of his daughter, talked a group of men into being circumcised and then murders them.
Much of this is unpunished by God and seems to fulfill God’s purposes.
Here is an honest and courageous Rabbi with top credentials, exposing God’s Biblical models as being dysfunctional. Sometimes, I don’t feel so all alone.
A medieval Rabbi, borrowing from the image of the story of Noah’s drunken disarray in (Genesis 9:21), suggested that: “As dutiful children, let us cover the nakedness of our fathers in a cloak of favorable interpretation”.
Is this why believers cover-up God’s deeds?
Karen Armstrong, author / former nun: “God (in Genesis flood) is an undeveloped child. He has got to grow up and learn like the rest of us how to relate to other people”. (From Bill Moyer’s great book: Genesis.)
Karen Armstrong: “God is not some nice, cozy daddy in the sky. He is behaving in an evil way, introducing mankind to justifiable genocide. Noah, a damaged survivor, says no word about those drowning around him, much less tries to help them.” (Time Magazine.)
God is in the Sky?
Q: So, what need is there for any Satan or Devil except as a scapegoat for God?
Some do profess: God’s logic is impeccable – man’s understanding is wanting.
Settle the issue for yourself. Study your Bible for yourself, chapter & verse.
Conflicting dogmas: Man is inherently sinful. God created man in His own image.
Saint Jerome, who translated “the word” from Hebrew into Latin grumbled that many of the narratives were rude and repellent.
Samuel Proctor: Baptist Minister / Professor: “Many preachers are intimidated about discussing these things. There is nothing risked. God is God. We don’t need ignorance out there protecting God. The point is that humans can use their freedom in such a way as to make God sick and tired. God said (concerning the flood): “It grieves my heart. Bam! We’re going to start all over again”.
Rev. Roberta Hestenes: “This is a story in which the major player is God, not just the human participants.”
Jack Miles, author of God, A Biography: “Much of what the Bible says about God is rarely preached from the pulpit because, examined too closely, it becomes a scandal”.
Azizah Y. Al-Hibri Islamic-law expert: “In the Koran, it is Ishmael, not Isaac, who Abraham offered up as a sacrifice. Ishmael said very clearly to Abraham: Father do it, because we’re doing it for God”. Finis: Time Magazine.
Seyyed Hossein Nasr provides a contradiction: The Qur’an does not mention the name of the son of Abraham offered for sacrifice. Later Qur’anic religious authorities gravitated toward Ishmael.
I agree that religion is primitive politics and that politics demand control, authority, power and profit over people.
I will go out on a limb and share my genetic-behavior theory of 30 years:
The mystery of a supernatural god lies in our ego’s relationship with our ever-evolving genes. Assuming that our human gene-banks (46 chromosomes) light up and shut down as we evolve (age) and that feelings are the vehicles of communication between our conscience ego and our programmable genetic hard-wiring / software, maybe the mysteries of a supernatural god can be resolved and formulated. Assuming that – experience triggers genes and genes trigger experiences – our genes may be the mysterious gods that we claim to be so personal. Our ego, by interpreting these mysterious feelings / god-like influences, bring all these gods down to one god. Unfortunately, for our fragile (I am the value, I am the authority, I am entitled) egos, this theory gives our illusive, on-again, off-again genes credit of much of our conflictive, do-want / don’t want emotions and our observable attitudes and behaviors.
Switching Genes Off & On
What is a theory?
I perceive that a theory is another, definite, guaranteed maybe.
Worship: A dog’s God is a living Human Animal who normally feeds his canine worshipper, punishes him physically on occasion, and, if worthy of devotion, pets him affectionately. No dog ever worshipped a Human Animal that the dog could not see, hear, smell, and touch.
DNA
Some dogs behave like religious animals. A dog does venerate his master as a being with powers vastly superior to his own. He worships his god in his own way, seeking to conciliate his favor with motions and caresses, learning to obey his master’s wishes and whims, and even having a sense of sin when he knows that he has yielded to a temptation to do something that will displease his deity. A dog tries to appease his god’s anger, as men do, by humility and groveling and he will fight for his god, even at the risk of his own life. Revilo Pendleton Oliver, 1908-1994
Can you distinguish your God from any fictional being? You many treat your President or Boss as a god, but they are not gods. You may think of yourself as god over others, but you are not god.
Do you really worship God out of fear? If the Biblical God did not threaten that you could go into Eternal-Torment, would you fear Him?
God’s reputation, behavior and attitude displays:
I am the value.
I am the authority.
I am entitled.
Ego is any manifestation of Human behavior that displays:
I am the value.
I am the authority.
I am entitled.
Practicing Christian believer’s “supernatural authority” is the best authority they can have – especially when they are bluffing. Believers threaten Eternal-Torment if the supernatural nonsense they tell you is not obeyed. Believers whine that they are being abused if they are not cheerfully obeyed. Believers smooze that their god / ego to be of love but their threats promote fear of eternal-consequence if their ego / god is not obeyed.
People who pray to God are really praying to their own genetic Ego to protect them. They try to restrict their Ego not to be tempted into harmful situations and to be pain free. Life is self-discovery. There is no God. There is only your Ego that often is encouraged to fearfully abandon or sell-out your life. Authoritative people try to compete with your Ego for control over your “free-will” and your life. The authoritarians use their fictitious, authoritative, “hell-threatening” God to control your feelings, thoughts free-will and your ego.
People with advanced degrees and intelligence pretend to listen to the ego of a preacher so to hear “the mind of God”. Most of these intelligent individuals know there is no God but they use the programmed authority criteria to supercharge their own Ego to be authoritatively heard over those who they feel are subordinate to them. God threatens consequence so it is a popular fear-based criteria to control the gullible and the impressionable.
Your ego is always “speaking” to you. They are called thoughts. Unless you hallucinate, you do not actually hear words, but you do think them in your language. Many of your thoughts and feelings are competing at the same time to be sensed. Authoritative God programs compete with thoughts spoken through one’s ego. Much of your behavior is your own response to your own mental-emotional autopilot. Actively believing traditional dogma and other supernatural nonsense tends to restrict our time for listening and responding to our own thoughts. Should you feel “depressed” (mad / sad) – you may try to escape your disturbing thoughts and feelings in favor of your programmed “good God knows it all” dogma. Many use God dogma to compete with their own distrustful thoughts and feelings.
Stop a moment. Quietly listen to your own thoughts. You may sense: “Thoughts? What thoughts? I don’t hear any thoughts. That’s “Gabby” your Ego speaking to you. These profound senses are just your genetically created Ego translating your thoughts and feelings into language that you seem to understand. If your Ego is verbalizing fearful thoughts, often an escape to “protective” God thoughts seems preferable. Chanting God thoughts is a hypnotic way to quiet down your own disturbing and fearful thoughts but it is also an easy way of losing control over your own life.
Religion, like drugs and booze, is a vehicle for Human Animals to escape reality. Religion, booze and drugs are vehicles designed to emotionally take you someplace else.
Bad Addiction
Addictions
Perspectives:
If you have a God or Gods in reality – it or they – are your creating, maintaining, living genes.
Without your conscious Ego – no God can exist to you.
Dr. Darrel Ray wrote an awesome Book called “The God Virus”. It explains how religion invades and infects a Human Animal’s life and will.
Billions of Human Animals make up “the masses” on planet Earth. Religion / “The God Virus” is designed to kill the individual “free wills” within the masses. “The God Virus” seeks individual conformity and obedience under its rule – or else! The masses are programmed: “Not my will – but – Thy will be done”.
Authoritarians don’t like competing Egos. So, they impose their God-Virus on you to shut down your free-will. These authoritarians want you to obey them – not your own will / agenda, Ego or free-will. Once you are successfully infected (converted) you will give up your natural, genetic-influenced free-will / life / agenda and you will conform to their will. Your life will no longer be your own. Your genetic life will no longer exist. You, the individual, will no longer be free.
“Freedom” is unaccountable time.
Clergy and believers infect your gullible, impressionable Ego with their fear-based God-Virus – especially at a time when your ego is most vulnerable. Once infected, you will also worship, promote, support and finance the God-Virus. You will also become contagious and try to infect all other Human Egos in your atmosphere so they too will have your God Virus. It is most commonly called “Christian Conversion”. From birth, most Americans are programmed and hypnotized to believe in a personal God. The God-Virus is ramped in America. The God-Virus is no longer strong in Europe. A new strain of a opportunistic God-Virus has been introduced around the world and it is now making its imperialistic move. It is called Islam. It is the latest mega-virus to attempt to take over the host lives and wills of all Human Animals.
Any belief, thinking or feeling about God must go through the believer’s Ego filter before the believer is motivated or restricted by their concept of God.
Believers, who bring attention to and promote God, are just bringing attention to and promoting the assumed authority and the desired importance of their Ego.
Question / Theory:
Could our Genes, identified as a composite called Ego, be our own personal God? We tend to pray, think, meditate, and, in essence, go within ourselves to address God. Our genes created us and we would not be who we are without our genes. Without our genetic existence, no God / Ego could exist to us. There would be no us any more than you existed in the year 1637. You don’t remember 1637 because you personally did not exist in 1637. The genes that make you up today did exist in 1637, but that was not who you are. For absolute clarity if you did not exist, in reality today – God could not exist to you. So, you have to be more important to you than any God is to you. Ergo, our genes must be our only practical God(s).
Is This Your Throne or God’s?
Religions hijacked your communication with your genes by inventing a fictitious God that is exterior and alien to your ego. This God was designed to authoritatively reign over you. If you are in the practice of worshipping a fictitious authority – then, an “assumed authority” may more easily step in and be the boss of you.
“Assumed authorities” compete for your “free-will”. They threaten, bribe, and wrestle away our genetic authority over ourselves in submission to their assumed authority. They want you to obey them and to serve their god / genes / agenda.
By jumping allegiances, we sacredly serve them to their liking instead of serving ourselves. We fail to become what our genes give us the opportunity to be.
Insecure, lonely Egos, who require social acceptance and approval from all they meet, my be gullible and receptive to The God Virus. People who seek power over others may feel that The God Virus will supercharge their Ego’s power over others. Unfortunately, for them, the greater the expectation, the greater the disappointment. In a conflict of an authoritative Ego / God and another Ego / God with a will of its own, where a friend once stood, an enemy may now stand. In reality – there is no God – just competing Egos.
God’s desire is to be served to the death. Our genes deserve to be served to our death. Egos tend to resent other authoritative Egos as much as they resent other authoritative Gods.
Unlike dogma:
Our “genes / ego” is within – not external.
Our “genes / ego” does evolve and change during our life cycles.
Our active genes instinctively influence us more than any outside “assumed” authority could.
Our active genes are the source where our original, personal thoughts and feelings come from.
Like dogma:
By circumstance, we (some of our genes) are selfish, jealous, cruel, vengeful and evil just as the Biblical God is depicted to be selfish, jealous, cruel, vengeful and evil.
We, through observable behavior, outwardly or secretly, boldly or timidly, operate as if we are number one. Other Egos / Gods, who observe “free-will” resent our doing that. They condemn “free-will” behavior and call it “sin”.
Question: Throughout history, how many gods do you think there has been?
G: There has probably been one personal god for almost each and every ego.
My perspective is that the genes are a relatively new discovery. The double helix was discovered about 1953 by Watson and Crick. When researchers and scientists go into vast depth on gene-mapping, I view that instead of space, genetic discoveries will be man’s “final frontier”. I view that it is a given that our genes created us. Unlike dogmatic views, I view that our genes constantly evolve throughout our life cycle and our genes influence our moment-by-moment experiences. “Genes trigger experiences – experience trigger genes.”
We talk of emotion and chemistry – especially when meeting other people. I view that chemistry is the “middle man” between our genetic frequencies and our feelings.
Our two (2) “emotions” (do wants / don’t wants and their intensities) orchestrate our behaviors. Our insecure fears and desires always look for an “authority” to take away our fears and to satisfy our desires.
Because I view genes to be the most basic “hardwire” of the mechanics I’ve mentioned, the genes serve best as being any god / authority in the formula. While alive, our genes, and their influence, are always with us. They even influence our sleep.
The anatomic system located in the primitive limbic system of our brain is another genetic-powered system that automatically regulates and orchestrates our heart functions, endocrine systems and other sub-conscious life functions. This may also be a source of random thought.
No god orchestrated these functions – unless god and genes are synonymous.
Does a preacher feel the most power when he preaches unrealistic, supernatural absurdity to zealous acceptors of his nonsense. Aren’t those who faithfully accept nonsense called believers?
Richard Dawkins: What are all of us but self-reproducing robots? We have been put together by our genes and what we do is roam the world looking for a way to sustain ourselves and ultimately produce another robot child.
Along with researching the ego / god / genes – I’m also on a tear to investigate the mechanics of thought. If we could learn all we could know concerning these topics, I view we would dispel the heinous and destructive Biblical God myths for good.
Richard Dawkins: We admit that we are like apes, but we seldom realize that we are apes.
Our animal genes have enough destructive influences. We don’t need to continue focusing on some imaginary and insane God / authority to put the blame on.
Richard Dawkins: For the first half of geological time our ancestors were bacteria. Most creatures still are bacteria, and each one of our trillions of cells is a colony of bacteria.
Human DNA
God / Gene Theory
by
Gary DeVaney
“For the Human Animal – life is a genetic condition”
The mystery of a supernatural god lies in our ego’s relationship with our ever-evolving genes. Assuming that our human gene-banks (46 chromosomes) light up and shut down as we evolve (age) and that feelings are the vehicles of communication between our conscience ego and our programmable genetic hard-wire / software, maybe the mysteries of the supernatural god myth can be finally resolved.
Assuming that – experience triggers genes and that genes trigger experiences – our genes may be the mysterious Gods that we claim to be so personal. Our Ego, by interpreting these mysterious feelings / god-like influences, bring all these gods down to one God. The Ego.
Feelings & Emotion Intensity
Unfortunately, for our fragile (I am the value, I am the authority, I am entitled) egos, this theory gives our illusive, on-again, off-again genes credit of much of our conflictive, do-want / don’t want emotions and our observable attitudes and behaviors.
I view that religion is primitive politics and that politics demand control, authority, power and profit over people.
Islam = Peace / Jesus = The Prince of Peace.
What is a theory? I perceive that a theory is another, definite, guaranteed maybe.
The Office of God
by
Gary DeVaney
“The Spirit of God Is Authority”
In myth, a man called Abraham invented the one office of the one God.
God is a man-invented office of one authority over all men.
Throughout history, in many countries, many men have assumed the one office of their one King.
The one God is a one office nomenclature – a position of one power and one authority over all who believe in, support, promote and finance the office.
In US history, men invented the one office of the one President.
The one office of the one President functions as the one top authority of the country.
When human beings describe the one God, they describe the one office of the one God.
God does not exist in reality but in the believer’s mind, the authoritative one office of God does exist.
People worship and serve the throne of the one King – and Whoever happens to be sitting on it.
“The King is dead. Long live the King.”
As long as the office of the King exists, the King exists.
Throughout history, there have been thousands of gods to fulfill the one god office.
“The Trinity” displays the one office of the one God that is filled by 3 equal entities.
The office of God exists as long as authoritative agendas that are to be obeyed are assigned from it.
The titles King, Emperor, President are all artificial offices set up to govern separate groups of Human Beings.
The title God is an artificial office designed, by fear of consequence, to govern all mankind.
A believer’s ego tries to govern and discipline all others in his or her atmosphere by threat of the authority of their one God’s office.
Jeremiah, God’s prophet, the man:
Here’s selected excerpts and a profile of Jeremiah, one of God’s prophets, so to better examine the insanity of God’s prophets. It depicts the recycling manic-depression and schizophrenia of the prophets. The re-cycles are also depicted in the book of Psalms.
Jeremiah 20:7-18 You duped me, God. Whenever I speak out, violence and outrage is my message. The word of God has brought me ridicule and blame. I say to myself: I will not mention Him or speak His name. But then it comes like fire. I cannot endure it. I hear the whisperings of many: Let us denounce him. My friends watch for any misstep of mine. Perhaps he will be trapped then we can take our vengeance on him. But, God is with me. My persecutors will fail. Praise God! Cursed be the day I was born. May the day my mother gave me birth never be blessed. Cursed be the man who said to my father a son has been born to you. Let that man hear war cries because he did not dispatch (murder) me in the womb. Then my mother would have been my grave. Why did I come out of the womb to see sorrow and pain, to end my days in shame.
Isn’t this parallel to the dialog of Job?
The Jeremiah profile is strangely similar to God’s other prophets. They’re all insane.
Insanity: A legal term describing mental incompetence. One must be unable to tell the difference from right and wrong and to be unaware of the consequences of their actions.
This is a prosecution of The Biblical God’s insane treatment of the living things on Earth. His documented deeds fragrantly flaunt His being above His own supposed laws. People, who wish to be like this God, operate insanely in like manner. They fragrantly break laws and codes of decency and then shift the target of insanity onto the prosecutor, insisting he is insane, wrong and bad. They bestow God’s vengeance and wrath on him for daring to speak out.
Justice and facts are inconsequential. God, like themselves, they declare to be above the law. Believers, for the most part, are limited to their own often-insane fantasies.
The concept of God is a fantasy world. Reality is an adversary to the fantasies of egos.
This work is information based upon Biblical facts. How you deal with, progress and grow with information is your individual and private responsibility. You cannot expect others to learn as you learn. The investigative ability may lie within the genes.
The greatest players in every competition learned things that other players could or did not learn as well.
Q: Do you not want to read this stuff because you take a position so weak it cannot stand debate? Is it information you want, or control? Would you resist replacing misinformation with legitimate facts, especially if the facts are advantageous to mankind?
Believer: We have kept quiet about the things we do not understand and cannot accept concerning God. Why do you expound on these things we can’t handle? Are you trying to damage His reputation? If you have to write about God, write about all the positive things.
Q: Behavior, character and agenda-wise, what positive things?
There are those who are deeply and fearfully concerned about what is discovered here. This exposure is of God’s crimes against humanity and the further perpetuation of those crimes. This prosecution of God is based upon written Biblical evidence, not suspicion.
Believer: I’m 70 years old. I believe our souls live on for eternity.
Imagine, in a hand mill, an Egyptian slave-girl’s small, first-born son looks adoringly into his mother’s proud eyes and says to her: Mother, thank you for loving me. Thank you for giving me my share of nurturing and gentle words. Mother, should my time come to leave you due to accident or sickness, do not grieve; for, my happiness has been the greatest gift you have given me. And hopefully, I have returned happiness in the same manner to you. I love you, mother.
10. Exodus 12:29-30 God murders all first-born babies of all Egyptians and kills all of their first-born animals. There was not a house without its dead.
Little Pharaoh
Scenario
A huge tyrannical father came home one day and grabbed his small son whose name was Little Pharaoh. He ordered: Do not move from here to there! If you do, I will severely punish you. Then, the insane father grasped the back of the child’s neck and pushed him from here to there. He then cut off one of the child’s toes, while condemning him for an act of disobedience. The small, helpless child cried. He did this to his son 10 times until all of the child’s toes were gone. The child continued crying because his father forced him to limp painfully after him. Then, he put his child’s head in a ditch and drowned him. Since his death, the child has suffered eternal-damnation till this day and shall forever.
Some have called me an angry writer. Concerning the Bible, what possibly could I get angry about? Ok – I do have my moments. GWD
Exodus Explained
Scenario
Imagine you have no home of your own. A “STRANGER” authoritatively tells you that he has chosen you and that he will give you a home of your own. You want to believe him. He takes you to a distant land and points out a house to you. He now says, “There is the home I give you.” You look and you see people in the house. He says, “Now, you go into that house and kill every man, woman and child in that house or I will do to you what I thought to do to them.”
This is the Exodus story. How do you like the story? How do you like the Biblical God now?
What if the Biblical God gave you, your wife’s and your children’s house to His new chosen?
Execution
Scenario
The warden stated: You have been found guilty of theft and four (4) counts of murder. By the laws of this state, your life will be forfeited at 12:01 by lethal-injection. Do you have any last words?
Prisoner: Yes warden. I have heard clergy. I am God-fearing and I want to be, what I interpret to be, God-like.
I confess that I went into another family’s home and took their valuables. When the father objected I murdered him, and his wife.
The reason I murdered his little children too, was so they couldn’t come back on me in later years. In the Bible, God ordered Moses and Joshua to take peoples’ lands and to murder every man, woman and child in the process. I know that I am one of God’s elect. I believe in God’s unmerited gifts. I will be rewarded for doing what I believe God told me to do.
With God, through Jesus, I am forgiven and innocent. You are a man who cannot understand the wonderment of God and the spirit of the Holy Ghost. Although, you may kill me, my spirit will live in the house of the Lord, through Jesus Christ, forever. You now will have to live with what you have done to me, God’s saved-elect servant. God and I will deal with you warden!
Warden: Proceed with the execution.
Richard wrote: Dear Gary, To fear God is wisdom. Fear is an attitude of anxiety or unrest.
G: Hi Richard. Correct! Do you know how many billions of therapy and clerical hours of counseling has taken place due to the propaganda you just expressed? Hello! Anxiety and unrest cause pain and miserable lives. Myrtyrism and sacrifice is a rotten standard in the Judeo-Christian-Islam religions.
Leviticus 26:27-31 God stated: If you persist in disobeying and defying Me, I will punish you until you begin to eat the flesh of your own sons and daughters.
R: Some fear protects us from harm…
G: Education teaches us what to fear and what not to fear in reality. Psychological / voodoo fear is designed to assist fear-based authority to psychologically control its peasants. I am a free man. Outside of realistic, enforceable criminal and civil law, there is no other lae including “supernatural” authority over me. Many try to assume authority over me – but they do not have it. Do you assume that your ego or your God has any authority over Atheists, Richard? About 14% of the Human Animals on Planet Earth are practicing, self-proclaimed Atheists. Another 30% are quiet Atheists. Another 30% are moving toward Atheism. Christian Churches are folding – especially in Europe. The USA supports the Biblical God as its flag as it tries to take over the World. Islam – in defense – does the same thing – with the exact same God – whom they call Allah.
R: …but fear’s only proper spiritual use according to the Bible, is to open us to a deepening faith in God.
G: Make people fear so they will obey. There is, in reality, no God to fear. The Biblical God is as fictitious as the ancient gods Zeus, Apollo, Isis, Hermes, Poseidon, Mercury, Mars, Thor, and Odin, to name a few.
R: Amazingly fear of God enables us to cope with anxieties.
G: Oh contraire, Sir Richard! In therapeutically practice, evidence indicates that fear of God causes anxiety – not peace – in most Human Animals. Even you admitted above that to fear God causes anxiety. Peace is good. Anxiety is bad. You just cannot have it both ways. Authoritarians use voo-doo fear to get their way. Believers yield to that voodoo fear. Non-believers do not.
Hosea 13:16 (KJV) or Hosea 14:1 (Catholic): Samaria, who rebelled against God, will fall by the sword. The little ones shall be dashed to pieces, expectant mothers shall be ripped open.
G: Why Richard? God is documented to be an insane murderer by Bible C&V. God turned on his own Jews numerous times and God arranged for more of His land-stealing Jews to be killed then were killed by any other agenda.
R: Along with our love for God we need to mainrtain respect and awe of God.
Judges 10:7 The anger of God was hot against Israel and God sold them out.
G: The Biblical God “sold-out” His chosen people numerous times in the Old Testament.
Numbers 21:5-6 The people spoke out against God and Moses. God sent poisonous snakes against his people. They were bitten and they died.
G: These are the real reasons that you fear the Biblical God, Richard. No one can truly love a character like that unless they are as insane and murderous as the Biblical God was documented to be. Your ego, Richard, is probably a much better character than the Biblical God was documented to be. You are also stuck with your ego so you tend to defend it like you would God. Don’t confuse your ego with the Biblical God as your ego proves to be a much better character.
Murderous God said to His murderous Jews: You go down there and kill every man, woman and child or I will do to you what I thought to do to them.
Numbers 33:55-56 God said: If you do not drive out the inhabitants of the land, I will do to you what I thought to do to them.
R: The functional atheist live and behave as if God did not exist.
G: Absolutely, Richard. Especially the Biblical God! The Biblical God, fictitious or not, is no model for Atheists.
R: Ultimately their character is determined not simply by dispensing with beleif in God, but more specifically by dispensing with the concepts and precepts of morality and justice, which presuppose existence of God.
G: What morality do you find – in the selected, controversial Bible C&Vs – that I have included on this post?
R: And it is the absence of morality which makes functional athiest dangerous.
G: What Atheist has ever harmed you, Richard? We do not obey you. That does you no harm – does it? Regards, G
Do the Judeo-Christian-Islamic religions practice “Fascism”?
Fascism views POLITICAL violence, war, and IMPERIALISM as a means to achieve NATIONAL rejuvenation and it asserts that stronger NATIONS have the right to expand their territory by displacing weaker NATIONS. (From Wikipedia)
Can that also mean that: Fascism views RELIGIOUS violence, war, and imperialism as a means to achieve RELIGIOUS rejuvenation and it asserts that stronger RELIGIONS have the right to expand their territory by absorbing and displacing weaker RELIGIONS?
Fascism asserts that the stronger has the right to displace the weaker. Might makes right.
Isn’t RELIGION primitive POLITICS? Did FASCISM evolve from RELIGION or vise-versa?
Don’t competitive CORPORATIONS, along with imperialistic RELIGIONS and GOVERNMENTS, also practice Fascism – the right to absorb, displace and eliminate the weak?
Don’t the Judeo-Christian-Islamic believers imperialistically try to eliminate the Atheists?
Fascism: A way of organizing a society in which a government, ruled by a dictator, controls the lives of the people and in which people are not allowed to disagree with the government.
In Religions: A harsh control or authority that may threaten God’s / Allah’s Vengeance and Eternal-Torment if not obeyed.
Of course, God / Allah IS the same “One God Of Abraham”.
Pastor Arnold Murray preached: Ezekiel, in Hebrew, means: “God strengthens you”. That’s what Ezekiel will do for you if you absorb and practice it. It will strengthen you and make a different person out of you.
Gary: Christianity seems to rarely like you or to want you the way you are. The Christian demand is always: Be like me – or else!
Murray claims: The “King of Tyre” in Ezekiel was “Satan”.
King Hiram Of Tyre
G: Murray’s claim – which the Bible does validate – is the biggest source of confusion for the Wanna-Be believer. One must believe that the King of Tyre was Satan for Satan to turn to ashes from within and expire on “Judgment Day” after the “Millennium”. Then, Murray does a surprise turn and claims that Satan’s acting script / role goes into the Lake of Fire and that Satan will return. That just confirms for me that the Judeo-Christian-Islamic religion is a sham.
Murray: The “King of Babylon”, in the future, will be Satan himself.
Murray: God sentenced Satan to death. Satan is called “The Son of Perdition” in the Greek tongue. Satan is the only named entity who has been judged and sentenced to death / perish. Satan is proud. God allows Satan to deceive people to check out if God’s children read his “letter” (the Bible) or not. God warns them – the false Christ comes first. Satan’s main story will be: “I have returned to fly you out of here”. Will you be deceived? Have you read the book? It makes it clear, a child can understand it.
G: Let’s see, Pastor Murray, if what you claim here, by your own admission, turns out to be a sham.
Ezekiel 27:33. You became rich with merchandise – that will all fall.
Murray: A natural disaster (storm) devastated the island and riches lost. You are poor – nobody to buy your stuff anymore. Ecclesiastes 1 says: “There is nothing new under the sun” as it is written. What has been shall be again. God does not change.
Murray: Satan, like Christ, also claims to be a rock for you to stand on. Are you going to do it or do you recognize Satan for what he is?
Murray: After Satan’s fall, he was called the prince.
Murray: Isaiah 14 speaks of Lucifer the bright and morning star being cast down into the pit.
Ezekiel 28:1 God said to Ezekiel: Son of man say to “The Prince of Tyrus…
G: God called Ezekiel “Son of man”? That’s the same term Jesus Christ is called in the New Testament.
Murray: God said to Satan: Because, you are so proud of yourself, you have said: “I am God”. “I sit in the seat of God.” Yet, you are a man.
G: If this is Satan who God is talking to and God says “you are a man”; how can that be as, in the Bible, Satan was never born of a woman?
II Thessalonians 2:4-5 Paul wrote: The “Son of Perdition”, he that has already been sentenced to perish, sits in the Holy place, Jerusalem, claiming to be God.
Murray: People not taught – are not going to believe that. God and His Son will sit on the throne of God until all the enemies of God are made His foot-stools. God’s children will make the enemies God’s foot-stools by aid of the Holy Spirit. You’ve only got one “Son of Perdition”. Nutty preachers will tell you that it was Judas, who betrayed Christ. Judas repented. Don’t listen to nonsense. Listen to your Father (God). Don’t be deceived in these end-times.
Murray: Christ will not return to us until after Satan sits in (God’s) mercy seat in Jerusalem claiming to be God. It’s simple. A child can understand that. A bunch would tell you that back in Ezekiel 13 “I’m going to teach you to fly to save your soul and God says, “I’m against that”. God doesn’t like that. Why? God wants servants to serve and obey Him.
G: Every dictator / tyrant wants your service and obedience. Arnold Murray is no exception.
Murray: Satan was smart. Satan earned the right to be the Cherubim that protected God’s throne. You can’t take that away from Satan. God is always fair and God would not give Satan that position for nothing.
G: So, Murray claims that know-it-all God was not in error to promote Satan? Was God wrong to promote Satan then – or is God wrong to condemn Satan later?
Ezekiel 28:4-5 God said to Satan: With your wisdom and understanding, you got rich. You got proud because of your riches.
Murray: Pride made Satan feel he could overcome God. That’s what pride within yourself will do.
G: Really, so far Michael Jordan’s and Tiger Wood’s “pride’ has well-served them – and the world.
Ezekiel 28:6 God said to Satan: Because you want to play God and to be God…
Murray: Satan thinks he is sharp enough to defeat God – that he can defeat and get Christians to take God out of their Pledge of Allegiance to get Atheists to twist the minds – just remove God. Why do you think we are the super-power of super-powers? It’s because we have God. Just check your currency and coins – “in God we trust”. Do not try to remove God from our vocabulary or discount the Bible – or disaster.
Ezekiel 28:7 God said to Satan: I will send you enemies. They will bring you down to the pit and you will die.
Satan will Die in the Pit
G: This claims that Satan will die / expire – no “Eternal Torment”.
Murray: Even you will have an end. The word of God cuts both ways. He will be sentenced to die.
G: What if Satan is just a fictitious play-actor that a fictional, man-made God uses to control other human beings? Blasphemy – you say? Let’s see how Pastor Arnold’s preaching surprisingly plays out on this segment of his TV program.
Ezekiel 28:9 Will you say before who will slay you “I am God” because it is God that will bring you to the end? You will be a man and not a god in the hand that slays you. You shall die by the hand of strangers said God.
G: Satan will die by the hand of strangers? This is totally confusing if God turns Satan into ashes from within – as later documented.
Murray: Satan goes into the pit at the beginning of the millennium so the world can be taught without Satan’s spiritual interference.
G: Murray indicates that God censors the Satan during the millennium fulfill His teaching agenda. What is teaching during the millennium about? What you did during your life is supposed to determining if you get saved or go to Hell – isn’t it? Objectively, this also serves as a God-model that teaches censorship against free-speech / free-press.
The Biblical God, by Bible C&V documentation, taught humanity that God was murderous when God wasn’t pleased. God teaches that God will send you to Hell if you do not please Him. The Biblical God, Arnold Murray, Jerry Falwell, Jimmy Swaggert, Jim Bakker, Pat Robertson – all spending eternity together? I luv the prospects – the competitive fire-works that combination of dictatorial egos promises! Although I’ll opt to go to Hell, I’ll personally have my money on Murray bitch-slapping all other clergy.
Murray: The millennium is The Lord’s Day. How long is The Lord’s Day?
II Peter 3:7-8 A day of the Lord is 1,000 years with man.
Murray: 1,000 years is a millennium. In the first Earth age before Satan fell, God described “The King of Tyrus” (Satan) – you were full of wisdom and perfect beauty. I made you the full pattern – beautiful to look upon. Why? Satan earned it. Satan had to be very good at one time to be elevated to the position. Remember, this is Satan now in the first Earth age before his fall.
Ezekiel 28:13 God said: (Satan) You have been in Eden (The Garden of Eden) – you were created.
Murray: Satan was created by God – not born of woman. Satan deceived Adam and Eve in the Garden of Eden. So it is – and you can not deny who we are talking about. Satan was wiser than Daniel to deceive the world. This leaves no doubt as to who we are talking about. Satan, from the first Earth age, to what he did in the Garden of Eden in this Earth age. What was Satan’s position there? It is documented that Satan was created and not born. Satan is not a natural entity. Satan is supernatural Cherubim. Satan was supposed to protect the mercy seat but instead of protecting Satan wanted it and he took it. God made Moses build the Arc, the mercy seat and 2 Cherubim’s facing each other to guard it. Satan did not protect and work with God – but, against God. Pride and self righteousness.
Beware of people that are self righteous – that’s the beginning of pride coming in to disillusion, to deceive. What Satan really wanted to be – rather than a Cherubim – was the messiah. That why Satan is called the Anti-Christ – instead of Christ.
G: This sums up Murray’s claiming that Satan was the king of Tyre. It confirms that Satan was not an Angel – but a Cherubim. Murray stated here that 2 Cherubim faced each other. At other times, the Murray’s have said that they believed the other Cherubim was Michael – but Michael is claimed to be an Arch-Angel. So, how can that be?
Ezekiel 28:15 God said: You (Satan) were perfect in your ways from the day that you were created until iniquity was found in you.
SatanIn His Original Glory
Murray: Satan stopped loving God. Satan began loving himself more than he loved God. What can you do in a case like that? God knows what to do. You do that and God turns His back on you. Instead of God’s blessings, you will receive what you’ve got coming to you – and God always makes sure that you get everything you’ve got coming to you – even sometimes before Judgment Day.
G: Murray commands that you love God or suffer God’s punishment. What could better define a tyrant?
Ezekiel 28:16 By the quantity of your merchandise, they have turned the midst of you with violence – and you have sinned. I will destroy you.
Murray: The very alter of the fire of God. What is God? God is a consuming fire. That same fire that God is – warms your heart by the touch of the Holy Spirit. But, that same consuming fire burns the sinner. And, God will ultimately turn into “The Lake of Fire” for God is a consuming fire.
Read it:
Hebrews 12:28-29 …28 whereby we may serve God with reverence and Godly fear 29 For our God is a consuming fire.
Ezekiel 28:17 God said to Satan: Your heart (desire) has risen because of your beauty. Your brightness has corrupted your reason. I will cast you to the ground before kings.
Murray: Where is Satan now?
Revelation 12:6-7 Michael (the Arch-Angel) is holding Satan in Heaven in chains until God casts him to Earth as the spurious messiah.
Murray: That’s the 6th trump. Jesus Christ does not return until the 7th trump. Satan comes claiming to be God again sitting in Jerusalem. It will be the headlines of the world. Are you ready for it? You’ve been warned by almighty God. You can’t be warned by anyone greater. God has already written the plan. In Satan’s beauty and splendor, do you know who Satan looks very much like? Jesus Christ. And, guess who Satan will claim to be? Jesus Christ, God’s savior, only Satan is a fake, a liar. Paul warned you of this in:
II Thessalonians 2:3-5 3Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition; 4Who opposes and exalts himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sits in the temple of God, showing himself that he is God. 5Remember that, when I was yet with you, I told you these things?
Murray: Do you know why we call Satan “The Son of Perdition”? The next C&V will tell you:
Ezekiel 28:18 You have defiled your sanctuaries by the multitude of your iniquities, (sins) by the iniquity of your traffic; therefore will I bring forth a fire from the midst of you. It shall devour you, and I (God) will bring you (Satan) to ashes upon the earth in the sight of all them that behold you.
Murray: This is why Satan is called “The Son of Perdition”. Because Satan has already been judged by God to be turned into ashes from within. That means that Satan is to be blotted out in “The Lake Of Fire” – which is called the second death – which is the death of the soul – and, so it shall be. The Greek word and Satan’s name for “Perdition” is the same. Satan will have 5 months when God casts him to the Earth. God tells Satan that he can not touch those who have the seal of God in their forehead – that is the Bible’s truth in their mind. They can not be deceived / fooled. Otherwise most of the world, who are Biblically illiterate, don’t know and are easy to be had.
G: So, although God wrote this letter (the Bible) and tells His plan and the name of Satan and what Satan is to do, the Biblically ignorant will be deceived.
Murray: Psalm 37:20 spells it out:
Psalm 37:20 20But the wicked shall perish, and the enemies of the LORD shall be as the fat of lambs: they shall consume; into smoke shall they consume away.
Murray: God says: I’m going to roast Satan and Satan is going to be like the fat that drops off the lamb into the fire. Poof, it goes up into smoke forever and ever. But, I thought he was supposed to burn forever! How long is forever? When he goes to smoke – that is forever and ever. Fini, that’s it, turned to ashes from within. Fini! It is the demise of Satan who is turned to ashes from within. Again, a lot of people say: Well, I want him to burn in Hell and I want to be there forever and I wanted to see old uncle Luke right out there in the middle of it begging for his life and screaming for mercy so I can sit back at the throne of God and enjoy Heaven. Really! You want to enjoy a Heaven with people screaming, and yelling and burning? In the first place, they are not in physical, flesh bodies and the type of fire you are thinking about has no effect on the spiritual body. But, the consuming fire that God is has a great effect.
God loves you. You know that the fake Christ is coming first. You know that Satan will be turned to ashes from within. Do you want to join him? I don’t think so. I certainly don’t want to be turned to ashes from within. I want an eternal live with God with everything placed back in the perfect order that it will be as Revelation 21 stipulates:
Revelation 21 (edited) 1And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea. 2And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven. 3Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and he will dwell with them, and they shall be his people, and God himself shall be with them, and be their God. 4And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away. 5And he that sat upon the throne said, Behold, I make all things new. 6And he said unto me, It is done. I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end. I will give the thirsty the fountain of the water of life freely. 7He that overcomes shall inherit all things; and I will be his God, and he shall be my son. 8But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burns with fire and brimstone: which is the second death. 10And he carried me away in the spirit to a great and high mountain, and showed me that great city, the holy Jerusalem, descending out of heaven from God, 22And I saw no temple therein: for the Lord God Almighty and the Lamb are the temple of it. 23And the city had no need of the sun, neither of the moon, to shine in it: for the glory of God did lighten it, and the Lamb is the light thereof. 24And the nations of them which are saved shall walk in the light of it: and the kings of the earth do bring their glory and honor into it. 25And the gates of it shall not be shut at all by day: for there shall be no night there. 26And they shall bring the glory and honor of the nations into it. 27And there shall in no wise enter into it any thing that defiles, neither whatsoever worked abomination, or make a lie: but they which are written in the Lamb’s book of life.
The New Heaven & Earth
G: Phew! Nice try, Pastor Arnold Murray! But, after listening to all your threatening preaching for close to 20 years, I view that you have preferred “Eternal Torment” to frighten followers, tithers and believers. But, in Ezekiel, even you have to yield to milder Bible, C&V, documentation. It looks like in Ezekiel’s version, Eternal Torment does not exist. “Turning to ashes from within” and becoming smoke that evaporates forever is what is accurately described. That, in no way qualifies as torment. Becoming spiritual smoke. like body cremation, is being about as non-existent as can be. Ezekiel’s version is not popular by most vindictive, vengeful and authoritative Judeo – Christian – Islamic believers and promoters. Pastor Arnold Murray, do you lean towards Ezekiel’s version of expiration / non-existence / up in smoke – or – Revelation’s version of Eternal pain / torment? I view that both John and Ezekiel to be fiction writers and those Religious authoritarians – who would promote and blackmail the lives of others for power and profit – to be criminally insane. I personally view that it is all a fear-based sham to get the gullible to obey human hierarchy and authority.
The End of Satan
The End of the Judeo-Christian-Islamic Religions?
Murray: God took Satan back to the first Earth age when Satan fell from favor of God by becoming prideful and wanting to be God to take over the Messiah ship. It did not work. God caught Satan. God sentenced Satan to death.
Ezekiel 28:19 All the people who know you shall be astonished at you: you shall be a terror, and never shall you be any more.
G: Warning! What’s coming next is the most critical I can be about God / Satan and Pastor Arnold Murray. Most of these words are directly quoted from Arnold Murray’s mouth:
Murray: Satan will never be allowed to practice that role again.
G: What? Satan practices a scripted role? Is Satan’s role God-scripted?
Murray: That role of spurious messiah goes into The Lake of Fire along with the one World political system at the closing verses of Revelation 19. Satan will appear again – but, not in that role. That role is destroyed. That role is done away with.
G: What? Pastor Arnold Murray – what the Hell are you saying? Satan will NOT perish after all?!? After the “Lake of Fire”, Satan will appear again? Then, with all the expiration threats you have laid on us, we who all go into the lake of fire will, like Satan, appear again? Personally, I prefer expiration / non-existence. First you said that Satan will no loner exist – now, you claim Satan will re-appear. Your integrity and teaching skills are on the line here. Be clear and absolute for once as to what God is – what Satan is – what Hell is – and to the fate of human beings.
Murray: In studying God’s word, you must realize that Satan is a play actor – and Satan plays many roles. That’s what the word “hypocrite” in the Greek means – a play actor – a pretender. Ok? And, he does like to pretend.
G: What?!?! So, the Christian Hell-Fire religion is a sham / hoax / farce / fake / con? Religion is a play-acting agenda designed to steal the lives of gullible human beings in favor of a miserable, massive life-stealing, dictatorial doctrine? You have just exposed the greatest hoax / fraud in the history of humanity. You have admitted to and exposed the biggest lie. You sir, have personally perpetuated this hoax / fraud / lie. You have been blessed by your career hoax as you have truly obtained power and profit over people. How can you admit it with a straight face and then continue the lie about the validity of the hoax?
G: Let’s review. You just exposed that Satan will be back after his role goes extinct in “The Lake of Fire”. That has to mean that your “in control” Biblical God produced and directed this hoax, fraud and lie with His play-actor, Satan.
God’s word is now proved to be all lies and it is now more than obvious that the Biblical God does not exist. You have pulled back the curtain that has truly exposed “The Wizard of Oz.” It all proves to be lies. Shame on you, Arnold Murray, for knowing this and pushing the sham for 55 years! Think of all the authoritative intimidation and fear that you and other clergy have bestowed on humanity! You are exposed and you should be tried for mental cruelty concerning this heinous, life-stealing joke.
This program was shown on DISH TV COLRS channel 9407 – series 131 Ezekiel.
This may be the biggest breakthrough of my 27-year Bible study. Arnold Murray, by stating that Satan was a play-actor, who will be back after Judgment-Day has been caught exposing the scam / hoax / lie / fraud of the Judeo-Christian religion.
So is this the “end-time” sequence?
1. First – I die. Yes.
2. Then comes the 1,000 year “Millennium”. Yes.
3. Then comes God’s “Judgment Day”. Yes.
4. Then Who judges me? God.
5. Then Who saves me? Jesus – if you properly obeyed God.
6. Isn’t Jesus God? Yes. God plays the Jesus role.
7. What is Satan’s role? God also plays the Satan role.
8. Then it is Heaven of Hell for eternity.
9. It is all for God’s pleasure.
Personally, I, Gary DeVaney, view that Pastor Arnold Murray, due to his Marine Corps / Korean War experience, relives and shares his traumatic life and death war experiences with his TV audiences. Often, Murray proudly shares / vents that he has shed blood for his country. That constant, authoritative declaration has solidified his god-like “might makes right” ego / conscience. I view that Murray would cherish any authority-ordered war mission (legal or not) to go kill or die for his God and country. He is a true war-monger (just to the political right of Attila-the-Hun). He believes than any who have not shared – or don’t care to share – his life and death experiences to be wimps. Murray supports the Biblical God’s Bible “kill every man, woman and child” documentation. Pastor Arnold Murray has adopted the Biblical God-model of tyranny, dictatorship, discipline and murder – who loves only who serves his ego-god on his terms. The rest – who date to think differently or to think for themselves – Murray arrogantly considers, can be eliminated and go to Hell.
Pastor Arnold Murray’s son Pastor Dennis Murray has publicly admitted that – as a member of “the elect” – he has no free-will of his own. His life is considered to be cast in stone by God (and his father) and Dennis is so God-Virus indoctrinated, he can not think freely for himself. After studying Pastor Arnold Murray’s dictatorial behavior for almost 20 years, I can see the toll his torturous discipline and his mealy-mouthed blessings must have taken on poor Dennis. Dennis is successful on Arnold’s coattails, while mentally / emotionally he appears to be in a small cell in the prison that Arnold’s ego / god has forced him into. The “God Virus” that Arnold has infected Dennis with – since he was a baby – is so advanced, Dennis’ denial would be automatic and believable. Other Murray sons may not get Dennis’ “blessings”. I like, understand and accept Dennis – but I feel so sorry for him. I’m confident that Dennis feels proud of the sacrifice his life has made just as Arnold cherishes his – kill or be killed attitude – that he imposes on all who listen to him.
Kill Or Be Killed
While denial is automatic, Murray indicates that he categorically wants all to be like him – or else.
Pastor Arnold Murray – and authoritative dictators like him – has caused me to reflect on my attitude toward him and his ego / god.
Pastor Arnold Murray, you can ask anything of me – as long as you are capable of accepting rejection.
Pastor Murray, your ego / god – is not entitled to expect of me. I give your ego / god no authority to command me. I am immune to your ego / god imposed praise and punishment.
Regards, Gary DeVaney – Retired Captain Army NG / USAR (1961-1983)
Religion is primitive politics – which is power and profit over people. This is my documented study – and my personal conclusion. GWD
Ezekiel 1:1 This whirlwind “vehicle” could be described to be a type of “flying-saucer” somewhat like the “vehicles” described in the first chapter of the book of Ezekiel. Are “flying-saucers” Bible based?
Ezekiel’s flying-saucers
In 586 BC King Nebuchadnezzar destroyed Jerusalem. Ezekiel, like other Biblical prophets, fearfully depicts the Biblical God’s ugly characteristics and attitudes.
Ezekiel 5:10-15 God said: Fathers shall eat sons, sons shall eat fathers. I’ll inflict punishment on you. You have defiled my sanctuary. I’ll cut you down, no pity, no, mercy. 1/3rd shall die of pestilence, 1/3rd will die of sword, I will scatter and pursue 1/3rd with the sword. I will send famine against you and rob you of your children. I have anger, fury and jealousy. I, God, have spoken.
Ezekiel 7:8-16 Soon, I’ll pour my fury and anger upon you. I will look upon you with no pity or mercy. He in the country shall die by the sword, pestilence and hunger will devour those in the city.
Ezekiel 9:2-8-10 Six men come with a weapon in their hands. Mark an X on the forehead of those who moan and groan of the abominations practiced within. Strike without pity or mercy and wipeout old men, youths and maidens. Defile the temple. Fill the courts with the slain. God! Will you destroy the rest of Israel? I will not show mercy, nor pity.
Ezekiel 18:3-4 God said: All lives are mine.
God, My Life Is Yours
Ezekiel 20:8-41 God said: (Israel) rebelled against Me and refused to listen to Me. They did not abandon the idols of Egypt. I gave them My statutes and ordinances. They rebelled against Me. I thought to put an end to them. I swore not to bring them to the land I had given them. But, I looked at them with pity not wanting to destroy them. But, their children rebelled against Me.
God said: I let them become defiled by their gifts, by their immolation (sacrifice) of every first-born. They sent up appeasing odors by making their children pass through fire.
This God let them sacrifice their firstborn child.
God said: As I live with poured out wrath, I swear: I will be king over you. The whole house of Israel without exception shall worship Me. I will claim the first-fruits of your offerings. As a pleasing odor, I will accept you.
Yes! You, the Biblical God, will accept Human burning guts and fat.
Ezekiel 21:8-16 God said: I draw My sword and cut off from you the virtuous and the wicked and against everyone and everyone shall know it shall not be sheathed again. The sword has been sharpened to work slaughter. You have spurned the rod and every judgment. I have put a sharpened sword in the hand of a slayer.
Ezekiel 21:36 I will pour out my indignation and fiery wrath upon you. I hand you over to ravaging men. You shall be fuel for the fire; your blood shall flow throughout the land.
Your Blood Shall Flow Throughout the Land
Ezekiel 22:8-22 What is holy to Me, you have spurned. In you are those who uncover the nakedness of your fathers (have sex with your mother: Leviticus 20:11) and coerce women in their menstrual period; you who do abominable things with your neighbors wives, men who have incest with their daughter-in-laws & take brides to shed blood. I shall allow Myself to be profane in the eyes of nations. Know that I am God. When I have assembled you, I will blast you with the fire of my anger and smelt you with it, just like silver is smelted in a furnace.
Ezekiel 23 God said: Two sisters Oholah (Samaria) and Oholibah (Jerusalem) born of the same mother were young hookers in Egypt. They became mine, bore sons and daughters, and became unfaithful to Me. Oholah, I handed her over to her lovers. They exposed her nakedness and murdered her. Her sons and daughters, they took away. Oholibah saw this and became even a better hooker. I saw her defile herself. The Babylonians came and had intercourse with her on her love couch. She became disgusted with them and I became disgusted with her. But, she played the harlot all the more. She lusted for lechers whose members were like that of an ass. (Hung like a racehorse?) God said: I will stir up your lovers against you from all sides. I will let loose My jealousy against you, so that they will cut off your nose and your ears, will murder you and burn you. I hand you over to those you hate. They will seize all you have worked for leaving you stark naked. Your whoring has brought this upon you. You shall tear out your breasts for God, has spoken. Because you have forgotten Me is the penalty of your harlotry. They committed adultery with their idols.
To feed them, they sacrificed the children they bore me. They slew their children for their idols. Men shall punish them with the sentence melted out for adultery and murder. God said: Deliver them to terror and plunder. The assembly shall stone and hack them to pieces and slay their sons and daughters.
Ezekiel 24:15:24 God said to me: By a sudden blow I am taking away from you the delight of your eyes. Do not mourn or weep or shed tears. That evening my wife died. I did as I was told. My sons and daughters were murdered. I shall not mourn or weep, but I shall rot away because of my sins.
Ezekiel 25 God said: I will stretch out My hand against you. I will execute great vengeance on them, punishing them furiously. They shall know I am God when I wreak my vengeance on them. (What an EGO!) Her daughters shall be slaughtered on the mainland by the sword; thus they shall know I am God. I am bringing King Nebuchadnezzar against Tyre and he shall slay your daughters. He will slay your people and pull your mighty pillars to the ground. Your wealth shall be plundered, walls torn down, your houses demolished. I will put to an end the noise of your songs.
(Wow! Tell that to your church choir!) Never shall you rebuild. God has spoken. I will thrust you down with those in the pit. I will make you dwell in the nether lands, in the everlasting ruins, so you may never return to take your place in the land of the living. I will make you a devastation. You shall be no more. You shall be sought, but never found again, so said God.
Ezekiel 28 God said: You say: A god am I! You are a man and not a god however you may think yourself like a god, to have the mind of a god. I will bring against you enemies that will murder you. They shall thrust you down into the pit to die a bloodied corps. Will you say: I am god when you face your murderers? You are a man, not a god, handed over to those who will slay you. I have spoken says God. In Eden, blameless you were until evil was found in you. Violence was your business. You sinned. I banned you. You became haughty because of your beauty. Due to your guilt and sin I profaned your sanctuaries. I have brought out fire to devour you to dust on the Earth. You shall be no more. I am God and inflict punishments to manifest My holiness. I will send much pestilence. Blood shall flow in the streets.
Blood Shall Flow in the Streets
Ezekiel 29 God said Pharaoh, King of Egypt, I am coming at you. I give Egypt to Babylon’s King Nebuchadnezzar. He shall carry off its riches, plundering and pillaging it for the wages of his soldiers, who did it for Me. As payment for his toil, I gave Egypt to him so they will know I am God, says God.
Ezekiel 30 God said: Egypt shall be the most devastated of lands, her cities the most desolate of all. They shall know I am God when I set fire to Egypt and break all who help her. My command to terrify unsuspecting Ethiopia is coming. I shall put an end of Egypt by the hand of Nebuchadnezzar. He and his most ruthless people shall be brought in to devastate the land. They shall fill Egypt with the slain. Everything I hand over to the foreigners to devastate. I, God have spoken. I will inflict punishment on Egypt that they may know that I am God. I will break Pharaoh and strengthen the King of Babylon by putting My sword in his hand. They shall know I am God.
Ezekiel 39:17-19 God said: You shall have flesh to eat and blood to drink – and drink blood until you are drunk.
Enough of crazy Ezekiel and his insane God…
Note: If you have already read what precedes Ezekiel, you don’t need much commentary to evaluate the characters of these prophets and to make judgments of them. Do you think you could write a more heinous profile of evil than Ezekiel did? From whence, do you think, did the never-ending, fictitious horror films, mostly watched by children, originate?
From the writers depicting The Biblical God! That’s where!
Summary and conclusion of God’s prophets: All God’s major and minor prophets seem to re-cycle fear through redundant praise and punishment scenarios. Don’t they all depict an evil, wrathful, jealous, and murderous God throughout their scenarios?
Why wouldn’t God stop peoples’ hearts painlessly while they slept if He wanted them dead, instead of putting them through all His re-cycling murdering, horror and pain? If the Bible is correct in stating God created evil too, then it is all for His pleasure.
To the honest and realistic Human Being: If you are going to worship, promote, support and finance the Biblical God, at least know what the Biblical God is documented, by Bible C&V, to have done.
Gary DeVaney: To best depict the character of the Biblical God, fictional or not, Exodus is my favorite Book in the Bible.
Moses: 1391–1271 BC?
Exodus 2:12 When Moses saw no one was watching, he killed an Egyptian and hid his body.
Ah, a candidate suitable for the murderous work of the Biblical God.
Azizah Y. Al-Hibri: Moses Killed Somebody. And, if God could choose such people as prophets, we have a chance of being saved, of God blessing us despite our mistakes.
Exodus 2:15-21 Pharaoh heard what Moses did and sought to kill him. Moses fled, met some women at a well and he married Zipporah.
Moses and Zipporah Met at a Well?
Isn’t Moses and Zipporah meeting at a well parallel to, or a re-cycle of, the Jacob and Rachel meeting at a well story in Genesis 29:10-11?
Exodus 3:2 God’s Angel appeared to Moses in the heart of a fire in the middle of a (miracle) bush that burned but was not consumed.
God Spoke to Moses as a Burning Bush
What? God’s Angel appeared to Moses in the heart of the fire? All this time, I thought that God was the “fire” in the “burning bush”! Didn’t you?
Is God “fire”? Is “fire” associated with Hell? Is Satan associated with Hell? If God is in the “Burning Bush” – is God also Satan?
Exodus 3:14-15 God replied to Moses: I Will Be Who I Will Be. This is how I am to be recalled for all generations. Torah
Who, in conversation today, calls God: “I Will Be Who I Will Be”? Aren’t we one of the “all generations” God referred to?
Exodus 3:17 God promised to take Moses’ people out of Egypt into a “Land of Milk & Honey”.
My Torah notes claim that about three million (3,000,000) people came out of Egypt and about 2/3rds of them were Israelites.
Note: Out of the 3,000,000 people that God led out of Egypt, only 2 leaders, Joshua and Caleb, actually got into “The Promised Land”.
That means except for Joshua and Caleb, God murdered all 3 million of them. Why? God murdered them due to God’s disappointment with them. They did not wholly obey God. God’s “chosen” did not murder all the landowners who God wanted murdered. So, God murdered them. Do you realize that God broke His “sacred” promise to each of the 3,000,000 individuals, over 20-years-old, who God led out of Egypt – including Moses, Aaron and Miriam? Knowing this, do you still insist that God did keep His “sacred” promise to all of the individuals who did not make it into “The Promised Land”?
“The Promised Land” was “The Land of Canaan”. Didn’t Noah curse the land named after Canaan, Ham’s son, in Genesis 9:24-28?
Would God or would Satan take His “chosen people” into a “cursed land”? Wouldn’t one think that only Satan would do something like that?
Recorded history has documented that God’s “Promised Land” has experienced murder, theft, and destruction ever since Biblical times. What do you think the never-changing Biblical God’s “Heaven” will amount to? If God is “fire” – as Pastor Arnold Murray preaches – could it be Heaven that is HOT?
Is this God also Satan? Does this God do the murderous deeds that Satan is typically accused of and credited for? Have you noticed that no “Satan” or “Devil” has not been mentioned so far on any page of the Bible? Why?
II Samuel 24: The anger of The Lord was kindled against Israel and God moved David against them to say go number Israel and Judah.
“Satan” is not introduced until the 13th book of the Bible.
1 Chronicles 21:1 A SATAN rose up against Israel and incited David to take a census of Israel.
Satan was accused of ordering the census in 1 Chronicles 21:1 that God ordered in II Samuel 24. Due to King David’s obeying and taking the census, God punished David by murdering 70,000 of God’s own “chosen” people.
The Old Testament is written testimony which documents that a self-confessed angry, jealous and murderous God destroyed 3,000,000 of those whom He chose to bring out of Egypt.
God murdered His 3,000,000 “chosen people”. God murdered them because they did not eagerly kill all of “The Land of Canaan” / “The Promised Land” inhabitants in order to steal their land. Could a “good” God ever do anything like that?
Battered Woman Syndrome: A battered woman is dominated and controlled by physical, mental and emotional abuse. She must account for her time and all decisions are made for her. Her god makes himself more important by shifting the blame and responsibility for his violent and abusive action on her while he righteously uses abusive means to control her. The battered victim seldom complains or reports the batterer due to fear.
God’s “Chosen” were victims of a Battered People Syndrome. The Biblical “Exodus” proves to be a “Battered People” story.
Exodus 3:19-22 God said: I know the Egyptian King will not allow you to leave unless he is forced. I will demolish Egypt; then, the Pharaoh will let you go. You will not go empty handed of silver and gold. You will drain Egypt of its wealth and give it to yourself and your children. Torah
Ecclesiastes 10:19 Money Answers All Things.
The Holman Bible Dictionary: The Jews robbed Egypt of its wealth and of its first-born.
What? God ordered theft? Does the Biblical God say here: Thou shalt steal – on My terms? Is this what you consider to be moral or legal? If you were an Egyptian, how would you feel about this new God’s morality and His sense of law?
The ultimate Confucius moral: “Do not do unto others what you would not want others to do unto you.”
Can you think of a better moral? If so, please submit it to – gary@gdevaney.com – along with any corrections you may have.
Exodus 4:10 Moses tells God he can’t represent Him to Pharaoh because he is slow of speech, slow of tongue.
What? Moses, God’s chosen spokesman, has a speech impediment?
Exodus 4:11 God said to Moses: Who gives one man speech and makes another deaf and dumb? Who gives sight to one and makes another blind? Is it not I, the Lord?
Is God boasting to Moses that He / God (no Satan or Devil) causes mankind’s saddest afflictions? Is this really a “loving God” that Christians pray to? Who admits, right here, that God Himself, is mankind’s greatest adversary (Satan)?
Adapted from: Paul Winchell’s book: “God 2000, Religion Without the Bible”, 1982.
This book, by Paul Winchell, started me on my study & investigation of the controversial Bible C&Vs in 1982. Gary DeVaney
Exodus 4:21-23 God said to Moses: “Then, I will make Pharaoh obstinate so that he won’t let My people go. Moses, go tell Pharaoh, that by refusing, I will ultimately murder his first-born son.”
This was God’s specific confession: Exodus 4:21 proves that all the future murdering, pain and anguish is but the agenda of this wicked, evil God. Do you know anyone who worships, promotes and supports this God?
Exodus 4:23-24 God tries to murder Moses, but, his wife, Zipporah, saves him by cutting off a piece of their son’s (Gershom) foreskin. (Circumcision.)
Why did the Biblical God want to kill Moses? Can anyone trust a “supreme leader” / God of such inconsistency? And, if God really tried and failed to kill Moses, what does that say about this unchanging God? What does this say about what God really thought of Moses?
Azizah Y. Al-Hibri: Muslims circumcise too. Islam has the Qur’an, which one interprets for oneself as Islam does not have “clergy”.
It is interesting that Islam has no clergy. Each Muslim has the responsibility to learn the Koran for himself.
Exodus 4:27 God spoke to Aaron in a straight-forward manner.
Why? How come there was no miracles or magic?
Exodus 5:1-22 Moses and Aaron went to Pharaoh and stated that their God demanded he let their people go. When God schemed and made the Pharaoh obstinate, God caused the Hebrews a heavier workload which made them suffer and complain.
Exodus 5:22 Moses asked God: Why do You mistreat Your people? You have done nothing to help Your people.
Is Moses admonishing, questioning and teaching God morality? Careful Moses! You’re petting a deadly Cobra.
Exodus 6:2 God told Moses His name was Jehovah (KJV) which Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob did not know him by.
Why did God use “I Am” (KJV) earlier stating that would be His name, forever His title for all generations?
G: Could this “I Am” be the definition of “Ego” / “God”? Is “Ego” and “God” the same? Is it Ego that seeks authority when promoting God?
EGO & GOD are behaviorally synonymous:
1. I am the value
2. I am the authority
3. I am entitled
Personal perspective: Bart Floyd called me once and asked: “Gary, you’ve studied most of the religions of the World, how many Gods do you think there have been throughout history?”
My answer was simple, quick and distinctive: “Almost one GOD for each EGO.”
I’m betting that the human concept of Ego and God is synonymous. I view that although an Atheist has an ego, Atheists don’t promote their authoritative ego through the claim of any authoritative god.
God’s Premeditated Plan
Exodus 6:1 God said: Moses, now you will see what I will do to Pharaoh. He will be forced to let them go. He will be forced to drive them out of his land.
The Land of Egypt
God wants Pharoah to drive His “chosen” Jews out of Egypt. Doesn’t God admit, right here, that it is Pharaoh’s land?
Exodus 6:7-8 God said: I will take you as My Own people and you shall have Me as your God. I will give you the land I swore to give Abraham, Isaac and Jacob. I Am God.
Some feel all warm and fuzzy about this passage. Why? Isn’t this God guilty of bias discrimination? What about the Egyptians and other people? Later, this Biblical God claims to play no favorites. One sorry thing is some religious people want God to be discriminatory towards them and adversarial towards others. Is religion just the authoritative voodoo of egocentric monkey-minds?
Moses Is a Product of Incest?
Exodus 6:20 Amram took Jochebed his father’s sister for his wife. She bore him Aaron and Moses (and Miriam). KJV
Now, this is shocking! Moses is credited to have written the Torah / Pentateuch (the first 5 books of the Bible).
Leviticus 18:12 God commanded: You shall not have sex with your father’s sister. Torah & Catholic & KJV
Amram and His Father’s Sister Jochebed?
If Moses wrote Leviticus – then Moses did not “honor his father and mother”. Moses exposed their sin of incest. The Biblical God commanded against and forbade this specific sexual union in Leviticus 18:12.
If God does NOT change and God condemned Moses’ father – aunt incest, why was Moses selected as God’s favored hero? Doesn’t that prove that the Biblical God is a hypocrite?
Were you ever taught in Sunday School or during a church service that Moses, another of God’s chosen leaders and models, was also a product of incest? Who would have “thunk” it?
Actually, Miriam, Moses’ and Aaron’s sister is not listed as being born in Exodus 6:20 in either the Torah or the KJV. Rabbis claim that women were considered irrelevant and equivalent to chattel. The Catholic version did include Miriam’s birth along with Aaron’s and Moses’.
Elizabeth Cady Stanton: “The Bible and the Church have been the greatest stumbling blocks in the way of women’s emancipation.”
At this time, I would request that each and every Christian stop for a moment and personally define the word EVIL for himself and for herself. Try to get totally passionate concerning your personal definitions of EVIL!
Exodus 7:1 God tells Moses: I will be making you as a god to Pharaoh. Aaron, your brother, will be your prophet.
Do you think maybe Moses invented his God to get the superstitious to follow him?
What one word defines “god” in every context? How about the word “authority”? Test it.
Exodus 7:3-5 God said: I will make Pharaoh obstinate. He will show his powers; I will show Mine…
God Hardened Pharaoh’s Heart.
Could God’s motive be: “And Egypt will learn Who is God around here?”
Exodus 7:5 The Egyptians will know that I am God.
Yep! Looks like it.
Exodus 7:7-12 At this time, Moses was 80 years old. Aaron was 83. God told Moses – and Moses directed Aaron to throw down his rod. Aaron’s rod become a serpent. Then, Pharaoh’s priest’s rods became serpents. Moses’ and Aaron’s snake ate all the Pharaoh’s priest’s snakes.
7:13 God, then, hardened the Pharaoh’s heart.
What? The Biblical God made Pharaoh into a puppet by changing his feelings and mind so that Pharaoh could not obey Moses?
God documented his evil, murderous agenda: I will make Pharaoh refuse to release My people; then, I will murder, torture, inflict plagues and diseases on all the Egyptian people, which will include the “innocent”, their children and their animals.
Stop! Please! Think about THIS for as long as it takes.
What? The Biblical God would do all of this murderous, heinous cruelty – just to let them (or us – thousands of years later) know Who is God?
What kind of “good”, “loving” and “just” God would do that?
What kind of “good, loving and just” people could or would worship, support, promote and finance such a God – fictional or not?
Are Christians truly “good, loving and just” people?
Do Christians truly know what “EVIL” is?
Is the Biblical God EVIL?
How does this Biblical God and His deeds measure up to your personal definition of EVIL?
God will make Pharaoh do what?
God will make Pharaoh refuse God and disobey Him?
What does that mean? Why would God do that? Then, isn’t the Biblical God saying that this is all premeditated on His part?
If someone were to announce that he planned these things against the United States of America today, wouldn’t most Christian Americans accuse him as being evil and possessed by Satan? Is this Biblical God also Satan on a bad day?
God’s 10 Plagues
God Also Killed Pharaoh’s First-Born Son
After each plague, Pharaoh would have let the Israelites go. But, after each plague, God forced Pharaoh to change his mind. Then, God punished all the Egyptians, including the innocent children, and their animals.
Is the Biblical God insane? Absurd? Diabolical? Psychotic? If you are “God-fearing”, haven’t you shown courage to have read this far? Are you still afraid to judge this insane Biblical God?
Exodus 7:17 God predicted: In this you shall know how I am God.
Once you know the insane, evil behavior of this God, what are your views concerning this God? If you condone this God’s behavior, what does that say about you, the believer?
1. Exodus 7:20-21 The river changed into blood. The fish died.
Exodus 7:22 God made Pharaoh remain obstinate.
Clue: Don’t miss these (God’s C&V) “hardening the heart” motives many times over.
2. Exodus 8:1-10 Aaron / God brought frogs upon the Egyptian people and their land and the (guilty) frogs died and stank.
This is taken from the Catholic version. Sometimes the KJV, Torah and the Catholic version is off a verse or two – but they basically all say the same things.
Exodus 8:11 Pharaoh was still stubborn as God had scripted.
Did you see this one?
3. Exodus 8:12 God brought lice upon the Egyptian people and their animals. Torah (8:16 KJV)
God’s Lice
Exodus 8:15 God still forced Pharaoh to remain stubborn.
How about this one?
Can you imagine for a moment that you are an Egyptian or do you insist that you are a Lieutenant on God’s side – right or wrong?
4. Exodus 8:17 God infested swarms of flies upon the people of Egypt.
God’s Flies
Exodus 8:28 Pharaoh became obdurate, would not let the people go.
Again, God’s doing? God made Pharaoh disobedient and then God punished all the Egyptians for it.
God’s Motive for His 10 Plague Punishment and Destruction:
Exodus 8:18-19 So that you may know that I am God right here on Earth I will make this distinction between My people and your people. Catholic. KJV = Exodus 8:22-23
God proves to prefer, pick and choose and to discriminate concerning Human Beings.
Romans 9:17 God said to Pharaoh: The purpose I raised you up was to show My power so My name might be declared throughout all the Earth.
Note: Romans 9:17 documents that God is inflicting all these plagues and doing all this murdering just to let everybody know who is God around here. Who and where is “evil” Satan, so far, according to these (selected and controversial) Bible scriptures?
5. Exodus 9:6 God killed all the livestock of Egypt; none of Israel.
God Killed All the Livestock of Egypt
Exodus 9:7 Pharaoh was still obstinate under God’s spell.
What? Whose spell? God casts spells? Aren’t “spells” cast by evil entities? Are “The Gospels”, God’s-spells?
6. Exodus 9:10 God caused festering boils on man and beast.
God Caused Boils on Man and Beast
Exodus 9:12 But, God made Pharaoh obstinate, and he would not listen to Moses just as God had foretold to Moses.
Exodus 9:14-16 God will send torture and murder on the Egyptians – so that they will know that there is none like God on Earth – and that God’s name be declared throughout all the Earth.
No! Not our loving, perfect Christian-worshipped God! Tell me it’s not true!
God Murdered Egyptian Human Beings and Animals by Hail
7. Exodus 9:23-25 God murdered, by hail, every man and animal that was outdoors.
Why? What did those men do?
Why all those innocent animals?
God’s Christian believer’s defense: Those animals were sinful, damn-it!
Exodus 9:27-28 Pharaoh cried: I’m guilty, God is just. We have had enough. I and my subjects have been wrong, we have sinned. I will let you go!
Exodus 9:29 Now, you may know how the Earth is God’s.
Exodus 9:34-35 Pharaoh became stubborn, yet again, as God had foretold.
Exodus 10:1 God said to Moses: I have made Pharaoh and his advisors stubborn so I may do what I have done. Torah
God, again, told Moses that He made Pharaoh stubborn so that God can torture and kill Egyptians.
Exodus 10:2 God said: You will be able to tell your children how I made fools out of the Egyptians. You will then fully realize how I am God. Torah
What? The Biblical God wants you to tell your children about the torture and mass-murder God committed on the Egyptians?
Sorry believers and defenders, but the Torah, Catholic and King James versions all show this Biblical God to be one sick, sick puppy.
Believer: Never! God is great! God is good! Praise God! You can be saved in the blood of Jesus Christ!
Can’t a believer stick to the topic? If you condone all this murder, pain and torture, what does that say about you?
8. Exodus 10:12-19 God covered the land of Egypt with locust. God drowned all the locust.
God Covered Egypt with Locust
Exodus 10:20 God again, made Pharaoh obstinate, so he would not let the Israelites go.
9. Exodus 10:21-22 Magic: Three days of thick darkness.
God Caused 3 Days of Darkness
Exodus 10:27 God made Pharaoh obstinate so that he would not let them go.
Exodus 11:1-2 God ordered Moses: To ask of the Egyptians for their gold, silver, jewels, and clothes (before God lays “the big, murderous one” on them).
The Holman Bible Dictionary: In leaving Egypt, Israel ROBBED the most powerful nation of their time of its first-born sons and of its wealth.
This is a redundant, and an official, reminder that the Israelites robbed Egypt of its wealth.
Exodus 11:4-5 Moses said: Every first-born of this land shall die from the first-born of Pharaoh to the first-born of the slave-girl in the hand-mill.
What? Would the Biblical God target and murder children to fulfill His agenda?
What responsibility does an innocent first-born baby and his mother have concerning God’s documented insane and murderous intent?
What did that baby or his mother do to the Biblical God to make Him so heinous, evil, insane and murderous?
By designing this cruel, sadistic, murderous agenda, how does the Biblical God prove to be a God of love, fairness and justice?
What kind of evil agenda or model is God trying to teach Humanity? What is God’s “moral” in this case? Would God ever personally confess to do such an insane thing?
Exodus 11:9 God told Moses that Pharaoh would not listen to Moses so that God could torture and murder Egyptians.
What? So, if Pharaoh gets stubborn – it is not Pharaoh’s fault? It is God who makes Pharaoh stubborn.
Exodus 11:10 God hardened Pharaoh’s heart so that Pharaoh was stubborn, obstinate and would not let the Israelites go.
God Murdered the Egyptian Firstborn
Exodus 12:12 God said: I will murder every first-born in Egypt, man and beast. I will judge against all gods of Egypt. I alone am God.
God showed intent to murder every firstborn in Egypt. God’s intent qualifies for the definition of murder. God intends a mass-murder and when God succeeds at doing the mass-murder – God proves to be a mass-murderer.
God said that He will judge against all gods of Egypt – but – He alone is God? Does God’s statement qualify to be somewhat contradictory?
Are you conscious and sensitive as to what is going on here? Are you on God’s side? Can you explain your attitude concerning God’s agenda?
What do your feelings tell you? Do you approve of God torturing and mass-murdering Egyptians – just to let everybody know who is God?
An Egyptian First-Born Son
By
Gary DeVaney
A DeVaney Parable:
Imagine, in a hand-mill, an Egyptian slave-girl’s first-born son looks adoringly into his mother’s proud eyes and he says to her, “Mother, thank you for loving me. Thank you for giving me my share of nurturing and gentle words. Mother, should I have to leave you, do not grieve for me; for, my happiness has been the greatest gift you have given me. And hopefully, in the time we had, I have returned happiness to you. Remember, I love you, mother.”
10. Exodus 12:29 God murdered all the first-born of Egypt.
God Murdered One Human Being inevery Egyptian House
Exodus 12:30 God murdered one Human Being in every Egyptian house.
Today, many religions celebrate “The Passover”, the night that God murdered all first-born Egyptians. The Israelites were directed to slaughter young lambs, without blemish, and spread their blood on their doorposts so God could determine who to murder – and who not to.
“The Passover” was what Jesus Christ was celebrating when Pilate took Him away to be crucified. How can anyone “sane” today celebrate this insane absurdity called “The Passover”?
“The Passover”
Jesus Celebrated “The Passover”: God’s Mass-Murder of Egypt’s Firstborn
Wouldn’t only a racist celebrate “The Passover”? Who was documented to be the Egyptian’s adversary? The Biblical God was.
Albert Einstein: “The world is a dangerous place to live; not because of the people who are evil, but because of the people who don’t do anything about it.”
Isn’t it immoral to inflict pain on helpless creatures? If so, the Biblical God proved to be immoral – illegal – and insane. What kind of Human Being would worship, support, praise and finance such a murderous model?
This God has Moses make a request for His people to leave Egypt. Pharaoh agrees, then God forces Pharaoh to disagree. Then God punishes and tortures all Egyptians, murders all their first-born and destroys their livestock; all, just to let everybody know who is boss (God) around here.
Are you promoting this heinous God to be your child’s model of morality?
The Age of Enlightenment became established in the 1700s. Biblical consciousness and sensitivity for the herd-mentality has not yet become a reality. Believers still stupidly & stubbornly obey, worship, support, praise & finance this documented to be insane Biblical God.
Check out, Bible C&V, the heinous cruelty the Bible and its God spews out. Somehow, the believer’s herd-mentality re-cycles this cruel legacy as virtue throughout generations. Can believers wake up and get a conscience?
The Biblical God is not a good God and the Bible is not a good model for humanity. GWD
Gary DeVaney I cannot accuse the Biblical God to be any more insane than the Bible proves its God to be insane – by chapter and verse evidence.
Exodus 13:17 Pharaoh releases the Israelites.
Pharaoh Releases the Israelites
Exodus 14:4 God said: I will harden Pharaoh’s heart so that he will follow the Israelites.
Exodus 14:8 God hardened Pharaoh’s heart and then forced Pharaoh and his army to chase them.
Exodus 14:17-18 God said: I will harden the hearts of the Egyptians and I will get Me honor over Pharaoh and his army. And, the Egyptians will know that I am God.
This is the egocentric, narcissistic reason that this evil God punished the Egyptians with his torturous, murderous 10 plagues. You cannot claim that Satan did it.
Exodus 14:21-28 God parted “The Red Sea” for Moses and His people, then God collapsed it over the Pharaoh’s Army who had followed the Hebrews into the sea.
So God had made Pharaoh stubborn again so he would chase the Israelites. Then, God used supernatural power to crash the parted Red Sea over the Egyptian army – drowning them all.
Exodus 20:5-6 God said: You shall not bow down to them, nor serve them. For I am a jealous God; I visit the iniquity of the fathers upon their children unto the third and fourth generation of those who hate Me / God.
Can you explain why Judeo-Christian-Islamic believers support this God?
Psalm 136:15 But swept Pharaoh and his army into the Red Sea. Catholic
God Murdered Pharaoh’s Army
Psalm 136:15 But overthrew Pharaoh and his host into the Red Sea. KJV
So, did Pharaoh die with his army?
Most believers presume Ramses II to be the Pharaoh of this story – but history does not have any of the Ramses / Pharaohs dying with his army in the Red Sea.
Can anyone verify if history claims there was a Moses or an Exodus – as the Holy Bible defines.
Do you tend to believe history or the “infallible” Bible?
C. Dennis McKinsey: The Bible contains more errors than holes in a screen door. “The Encyclopedia of Biblical Errancy”
Again, God’s only motive to inflict all the plagues and murdering was just to let them all know “who is God around here”?
Does anyone else sense an ego here?
Fictional or not, was this God: Loving? Moral? Fair? Or: Insane? Obsessed? Psychotic? Evil?
Any mention yet of any Satan or Devil?
Does this God deserve worship? Why?
What kind of sentences would “World Courts” give this God / Character?
Were the Marquis de Sade, Hitler, Lenin, Stalin and Cambodia’s Pol Pot “The Biblical God” incarnate?
What is the lesson God is giving everyone here?
Do the people, who do Passover and still support this God, know what He did?
If the Biblical God is perfect and this is His track record, what kind of perfection lies in store for those who are chosen to serve God for eternity?
Any debate won’t change the Chapters & Verses and the words of the Bible. Those words just won’t go away. Check yourself to see if your argument will attempt to discipline or control opposing debaters, to demand that they conform to your values – even by threat of consequence.
Attitude check: Are you defending this Father / God or just defending your feelings?
Has your EGO taken the place of your GOD? Is it really your ego you are defending?
Little Pharaoh
By
Gary DeVaney
I Am the Authority Me Boss – You Punk!
God’s Murdering of Egypt’s Firstborn
A DeVaney Parable
A huge, tyrannical father came home one day and grabbed his small son, whose name was Little Pharaoh. He ordered: Do not move from here to there! If you do, I will severely punish you. Then, the insane father grasped the back of the child’s neck and pushed him from here to there. He, then condemned the child for disobedience and angrily cut off one of the child’s toes. The small, helpless child cried. He did this to his son 10 times until all of the child’s toes were gone. Then, the child continued crying because his father forced him to limp painfully after him. Then, the angry father put his child’s head in a ditch and drowned him.
Some have called me an angry writer.
Concerning the Bible and Its murderous God, what possibly could I get angry about?
Ok – I do have my moments. GWD
Romans 9:17-18 (Paul wrote): Pharaoh, this is why I (God) raised you up, to show My power through you that My name may be proclaimed throughout the Earth. God has mercy on whom He wills and God hardens whom He wills. Catholic
So, Paul confirmed that the Biblical God murdered all of Egypt’s firstborn and Pharaoh’s army just to let everybody know who is God.
What an ugly, evil, murderous God! Who me – an angry writer?
Exodus Explained
A DeVaney Parable
Based on Numbers chapter 14
Imagine you have no home of your own. A “stranger” authoritatively tells you that he has chosen you and that he will give you a home of your own. You want to believe him. He takes you to a distant land and points out a house to you. He now says, “There is the home I give you.” You look and you see people in the house. He says, “Now, you go into that house and kill every man, woman and child in that house, or I will do to you what I thought to do to them.” Except for Joshua and Caleb, the Biblical God murder all of His own people over 20-years-old that God led out of Egypt.
Might Makes Right / Just & Fair?
This is the end of Exodus story. So, do you like the Biblical God?
A Just & Fair God?
What if the Biblical God gave your, your wife’s and your children’s house to His new chosen?
Is your concept of God based on the facts about God as written in the Bible or have you created a God in your own mind based mostly on selective hearsay? Do you remember God as depicted in the words of the Bible or have you made up your own God to suit yourself? Is idealistic feel-good a large part of your meaningful or sacred formula?
A mind-set believer would not seek out the truth (facts) when the credibility of their God, Jesus and the Bible is at stake. Some believers tend to demonize and distort what doesn’t serve them? Is your being loyal to a belief more important than your being correct and honest? During slavery and exploitation, potential victims formulate a master / slave relationship without questioning whether their masters are worthy of obedience, worship and /or kiss-butt. Parents, bosses, business-owners, Generals, Captains and Sergeants love it.
You show me a good religious believer, and I will show you a good human-sacrifice.
There is one word anyone can put in the place of God, and it will fit perfectly 100% of the time. That word is authority. Why not get out a Bible and prove this to yourself? Find the word God and put authority in its place. Does it fit?
The genetic Ego (I am the authority) is built to worship itself and to obey its own genes while masquerading as a God.
You are created by your genes. You genes (46 chromosomes = 23 from mom + 23 from dad) are your real and only creator.
Human Beings Have 46 Chromosomes
Other than nature and the laws of physics, all authority is assumed authority. Don’t parents, wives, husbands, educators, employers, supervisors, Gods and all other “assumed authorities” assume that you are to account for your time; that your behavior requires their approval?
The ultimate meaning of freedom is unaccountable time.
Test it. No authority: Boss, parent, General, Captain, Sergeant, husband, wife, clergy nor God wants you to have freedom (unaccountable time). They all want you to account for your time to them, obey them and serve them on their terms.
Slavery may consist of many distasteful elements, but one thing must be present for it to qualify, accountable time. Our genes are so conditioned to slavery that we become addicted to substances like alcohol, drugs, and other sensory and time-consuming addictions.
Buzz’s, a prison warden’s criticism: Try to stop making the Bible say what you want it to say. It’s always been and always will be a question of faith. You will see after you believe; not before.
“I Believe” means I don’t know, I gamble, I pretend, I lie, I have no hard evidence, I’m closed-minded, I’m mind-set, I project, I try to will things into reality.
As long as I am committed to my belief, I am not capable of learning. As a believer, I assume to be the authority over an agenda I’d like you to follow and obey. Commit to follow me, show respect and obedience and serve my authority on my terms. Subordinate your feelings to mine, trust me, shut up and do as I expect. Be a sheep and allow me to satisfy your quest to follow.
“I believe” is the vocabulary of manipulative conmen. Faith, hope and belief are the tools for commitments, conscription oaths, employment agreements and marriage licenses / wedding vows. You cannot be legally divorced, with all its legal trappings, if you never got a marriage license – which is a binding contract between you and the state. Some beliefs are “I don’t really know” binding commitments. Be careful what your mindset commits to as it may return to you unwanted consequence.
Be-lie-ve. Lie is in the middle of believe.
Fact / reality: A fact is something impartial, not political, has no consideration for any agenda. Facts are the tools to best understand reality – for those who prefer to understand and deal with reality. Facts are the essentials tools in determining illegal deeds upon which judgments are based concerning the fate of criminals.
Truth: Something expressed that generally has a more personal agenda. When a truth is expressed by someone concerning a topic or event, in time, usually it is their feelings being explained, not the facts nor the topic. Their committed feelings amount to their truth.
Faith: When others insist you have faith, they insist you commit to terms not your own. They expect you to prefer their committed feelings and agendas over fact. People wishing for you to have faith are those wishing for you to shut up, to do what you are told and do what’s expected. You are expected to accept and obey what the assumed authority desires without disturbing his agendas and goals.
People, who go comatose with faith, are either afraid to rock the boat or are just looking for a free ride. Salvation, maybe?
No Israelite in the Old Testament believed in an afterlife, Heaven, Hell, salvation or Eternal Torment. Jesus Christ, which means “Savior Annointed” plagiarized Zoroastrianism to create Christianity.
Exodus 20:17 You shall not covet your neighbor’s house or wife.
Under Biblical law, men have legal rights that guard against theft and property damage. This includes damage to their women. Coerced sex (rape) is considered wrong only when it occurs outside of the contractual agreements / rules that men have with other men.
The punishment for rape has no compassion for the woman. Rape punishment is caused by honor, tribal purity, and a sense that a “used woman” is damaged goods. A rapist can be forced to buy his victim.
A woman who willingly gives up her virginity may be killed (honor-killing) because she has transformed herself from being a family asset to being a family liability.
Obviously, Islam adopted the legal rights of the Bible’s Exodus 20:17.
To believe that you are so important that Jesus had to die to save you and that you have to bathe yourself in His blood, is totally sick. Do you fantasize that anybody else should also readily die for you? Well, maybe some romantics do – who are capable of murder.
Exodus 21:1-11 God gives His rules concerning slavery.
Exodus 21:7 When a man sells his daughter as a slave . . .
Exodus 21:13 If he did not plan to kill his victim, but God caused it to happen, then God will provide a place where the killer can find refuge.
Sadistic believers don’t care what Human Being dies as long as they believe his or her death to be “God’s Will”.
Is Death God’s Will?
Isn’t this how God handled the Cain murdered Abel case?
Isn’t this also how God handled the Moses murdered an Egyptian case?
Are murderers, who plan their crimes, just puppets or victims of God and His criminal agendas? How does this perspective effect the justice system if the murderer claims or admits that his or her God made him or her do it?
Exodus 21:17 Whoever curses his father or mother shall be murdered.
Exodus 21:20-21 If a master hurts his servant or maid and they die immediately, the master will be punished. But if the slave lives a day or two, then dies, the master will not be punished because that slave is his own money. King James Version
Here is The Good Book’s license to murder one’s slave as long as the slave dies slowly over a day or two. Who is the slave’s adversary?
Slavery
Exodus 22:17 God directs to murder witches. Catholic KJV = Exodus 22:18
Millions of innocent people were hacked to pieces and burned to death during the inquisition due to this “sacred” verse.
Exodus 22:27 You shalt not curse the ruler of your people.
Exodus 22:28: God said: Give me the first-born of your sons.
Really? For what purpose? For sacrifice?
Exodus 22:29 A first-born animal may Me. stay with its mother for 7 days, then you must sacrifice it to Me.
Sheep are Fleeced Often and Ultimately Consumed
Is Jesus the Shepherd and are you, the believer, the sheep?
Do you think God figures mother and baby have emotionally bonded long enough?
2 Samuel 12:18-24 God let King David’s and Bathsheba’s baby live 7 days before God killed the boy.
Why? To punish the parents, King David and Bathsheba, for their sins.
2 Samuel 12:24 David comforted Bathsheba, laid her again and she conceived Solomon. God loved Solomon.
1st Kings 1:28-34 Solomon becomes King.
Solomon became King after David died. The Biblical God murdered one child and made the other child King. God sure works in strange ways.
Exodus 23:15 Do not appear before God empty-handed.
Could this be more the clergy’s idea?
Rene Descartes alluded that the proposition of belief is a matter of will.
David Hume holds that belief is an emotional condition.
If one believes, then one is unjustified in claiming to know. Are most people’s beliefs just what they are programmed to want or to not want?
Are committed beliefs but committed feelings?
Exodus 23:22-32 If you obey Me and do what I say, I will hate your enemies and attack your foes. I will annihilate them. You will serve your God. I will banish sickness from among you. No woman will suffer miscarriage or remain childless. I will make you live out full lives. I will cause the people in your path to be terrified of Me and make your enemies run from you. I will send deadly wasps ahead of you to drive them out. I will give their land to you. You will not make a treaty with them. They shall not live in your land.
The Biblical God was a hateful thug, bully, tyrant, Who often displayed a street mentality. He was a con God Who dealt out lies and false promises.
The Promised Land: The Hebrew God’s agenda was to murder Human Beings and to take their land for His chosen people. This agenda would not be correct today; nor was it moral, legal or correct thousands of years ago. Gawd! What a model for Humanity!
Ancient gods, or more accurately, those who pretended to serve them, competed for power and profit over the people of Earth just as most politicians and clergy do today. If, back then, your god couldn’t compete by providing promises, miracles and / or consequences, your god just wasn’t much. What’s sad is, that’s the same god many believers would require today. Why?
Test: God created a Christian, a Muslim, a Hindu, a Buddhist and a Jew.
Q: Which one is going to be “saved” to serve God (and Jesus) 24 / 7 in Heaven? Your answer is _____.
Q: Then, why did God create the others? Did God want to be entertained by throwing “the others” into Hell’s Eternal Torment”?
Exodus 24:5 Moses sent men to slaughter oxen as burnt offering to God.
Exodus 24:6-8 Moses splashes blood on altars, people and everything.
Exodus 25:3 God said: These are contributions you (the Jewish priests) will accept: Gold, silver, bronze…
What would God want with gold, silver, or anything else?
Exodus 29:10-18 God directs: Bring the young bull. Have Aaron and his sons place their hands on the bull’s head. Slaughter the bull before God. Take the bull’s blood and place it on the altar with your finger. Spill all the remaining blood on the foundations of the altar. All the fat that covers the inner organs, the fat that’s on the liver and 2 kidneys, you shall burn on the altar. Do the same to the ram. Cut the ram to pieces. Wash off its intestines. Burn the ram on the altar. It is a burnt offering, an appeasing fragrance to God.
Burnt Fat is pleasant to God’s Nose?
Hummm, so that is why God demands burnt offerings.
Do you think that this Biblical God would ever require or allow a father, who does His murdering for Him, to do a burnt offering procedure on his 13-year-old little girl, even if the girl loved her father? See if you can stomach this “Jephthah’s daughter” scenario.
Judges 11:1-39 The judge, Jephthah, a son of a harlot, smote 20 cities. Jephthah vowed to God that he would offer to God a burnt offering. He offered God the first thing that came out of his house. Jephthah’s daughter, his only child, came out of the house celebrating his coming home. Jephthah had to tell her that he had to sacrifice her as a burnt offering to God. She said to her father: Do to me what you made an oath to God. Let me go for 2 months to the mountains to mourn my virginity / to mourn the fact that I cannot live to have children. Two months later, she came back, and Jephthah sacrificed her to God as a burnt offering. This was a custom in Israel.
See God’s Biblical Heroes on this, The God Murders, website. The Biblical God and God’s Heroes really suck. Check out their rap-sheets as documented by Bible C&V.
Reminder: I didn’t write the Bible. I just read it, took notes and dared to share them. GWD
Exodus 29:25 (God said to His priests): You shall burn the sweet-smelling oblation to the Lord. The rest shall be for you (to eat).
The Biblical God loves to smell and to savor the smoke from the burning fat around a sacrificed animal’s (or a Human’s) organs. The priests get the prime cuts from the animals to eat, so it is barbecue-time again for the Moses and Aaron Cohen family of priests. This is a disgusting bunch who worship an even more disgusting God. Moses and Aaron Cohen were brothers, you know. Aaron, the head priest, made the Golden Calf that resulted in 3,000 dead Jewish family and friends because God got pissed about His people worshipping the Golden Calf. Strangely, God kept Aaron on as His head Priest.
Can you picture, today, yourself drawing a crowd by placing a living animal on a grate, only to take out a knife and slit its throat? Then, you all cheer in its death struggle. Next, you slit open the belly of the quivering animal, so that its guts pour out on the grate ready for the flames to scorch. You will do that so your Biblical God can smell the gross odor of the burning fat around the poor animal’s guts; that God so awesomely craves.
These are some of the requirements of your personal God.
Genesis 8, Exodus 29, Leviticus chapters 1, 2, 3, 4, 6, 8, 17, 23, Numbers 15, 18, 28, & 29 all claim how your God craves the smell of burnt fat.
Exodus 31:15 Anyone who dares work on the Sabbath day shall be put to death.
Oh my?
Exodus 31:18 God gave Moses two tables of stone written by the finger of God.
God’s Finger-Written Stones?
Exodus 32:1-5 (Meanwhile): The Israeli people asked Aaron to make a God for them. Aaron replied: Have your wives, sons and daughters take off their gold earrings and bring them to me. Aaron accepted their offerings, made them into a Golden Calf – and an altar.
Moses’ Brother, Aaron, built the Golden Calf
Exodus 32:7-14 God goes ballistic again and tells Moses not to stop Him when He unleashes His wrath to destroy them. Moses began to plead to make God stop: Egypt will say You took us out with evil intention, to kill us in the country, to wipe us off the face of the Earth. Moses begged God to withdraw His anger and refrain from doing evil to His people. God refrained from doing the evil He planned for His people.
The Holy Bible documents here that God planned evil? Again? God changed His mind / plans? As with Abraham, God received moral guidance from Moses.
Here is a God with the emotions and the temper tantrums of a spoiled, evil child. God orders Moses NOT to try to stop Him which Moses disobeys. God intends to destroy His people. Moses tells God to stop being angry and to not do evil to His people. God changed His mind. Here is more evidence of the inconsistent behavior of God.
Unfortunately, for the pious believer, as long as Bibles exist, this evidence just will not conveniently go away. In all of this God’s trust there is the potential of betrayal. The mechanism of blind belief tends to ignore that. Believers are never prepared for betrayal. It is not feel-good. Irrational denial is the believer’s automatic response.
Exodus 32:19 Moses, who just calmed down angry God, became so angry himself, he threw down and destroyed God’s finger written sacred tablets and they broke into pieces.
Boy! Is Moses going to catch it for this? Actually, Abraham gave God a moral lesson too in Gen 18:25. And wow! What about that Aaron, Moses’ brother, the head of the priests? Aaron made The Golden Calf. Is his fat going into the fire, or what? Nah – Aaron is an insider.
Exodus 32:27-28 Moses Levi ordered all the sons of Levi to slay their own family, friends and neighbors; Moses murdered about 3,000 of their own relatives, God’s Own chosen.
Moses killed 3,000 of God’s Chosen?
Is this insane or what? Are you still an accomplice and a cheerleader to God’s insanity and treachery; or are you now going to insist that it wasn’t God’s but Moses’ tyranny? You do recall that it was Moses’ brother Aaron, who made the golden calf from the peoples’ earrings? Aaron is allowed to live! Isn’t this hypocrisy multiplied by twice the speed of light?
You could argue an absurdity that it was Satan’s doing. But remember, these Jews had no afterlife, no Satan, no Heaven, no Hell. Their God did it all. Christianity introduced the Afterlife, Heaven, Hell and Salvation. Hummm, where did Jesus Christ, a Jew, get these teachings. Check out Zoroastrianism on this “The God Murders” website for a real, life-changing shocker.
Now that we know what this God did to all the Egyptians, is this “loyal and loving” God – worthy of Egyptian worship? How about Hebrew worship? What kind of God would require your servitude and blind obedience to His “supernatural” power, control and murderous manipulation?
Don’t big businesses, courts, churches, child-abusers, thieves, rapists and the warped egos of man find virtue in this kind of behavior? Think of all the pain, murdering, anguish, lies, torture, deception, annihilation and destruction, that is required by this insane character we refer to as God.
How could the Bible be considered “sacred” by governments, businesses, armed forces, courts, clergy, and parents – if they knew the C&V truth about them?
When one questions this Biblical God, many believers defend Him with similar statements that Caligula and Nero shouted: I am the emperor (God). I can do whatever I want to whomever I want to! The peasants live and die for me, for my pleasure!
Hitler said that the German people did not deserve to survive if they cannot give him victory. How Godlike!
Insanity is contagious.
Exodus 33:11 God used to speak to Moses “face to face” as one man speaks to another.
Exodus 33:20&23 (God confessed): I show favors and I grant mercy to whom I will. No man can see my face and live.
Whoa. Talk about a Bible Contradiction!
And, if are still a believer, your God proves to be guilty of Human discrimination.
Judgement Day
God: Surprise, I do discriminate! Ok, who’s up? You know that you are all sinners. Ah, I choose you to go to Heaven. Next. I choose you to go to Hell.
Two pieces of hard evidence: This God does play favorites and any character who claims he has seen the face of this God is a liar. Doesn’t Exodus 33:11 and Exodus 33:20 contradict each other? If one supports either passage, the Bible itself makes one out to be a liar to another who knows of the other passage. “God’s Biblical Heroes” must be liars, too. But “Did Jesus Christ Lie? See: The God Murders website.
Exodus 34:1 Jehovah calmly volunteers to re-do His “finger-written” tablets.
There is no punishment for Mr. Moses Levi’s crime of destroying God’s “sacred” finger- written tablets nor for his killing 3,000 of his and God’s own people.
Again, “Obey Me of I will kill you” / “thou shalt not kill, except on my terms”.
And, that Aaron? He made The Golden Calf and got off unscathed. WHY? Oh, yeah. God discriminates.
Exodus 34:7 For the sins of the father, his future innocent children, and their children will be punished.
Taking on the Sins of the Father
Somebody, please, get a net! Some Christians, today, claim religious persecution. When examining their claim, it often boils down to: We set values for you to obey. If you display any resistance to our values and disobey us, we will righteously claim that you are persecuting us.
This Bible and Its God in no way qualifies as a model for a society that wants to survive. Considering Moses and Aaron, God’s agendas are being carried out by psychopaths.
Exodus 40:13-15 God said: Anoint Aaron and his sons as my priests for all future generations.
What? God rewarded Aaron, the high Priest, for screwing up and causing 3,000 of his family and friends to be murdered? Again, what utter hypocrisy!
If this insanity keeps up, I’m going to begin to feel sad for this God’s mindset worshippers.
Don’t people, even today, who do their best to obey God, still get driven into wars whereby they destroy or are destroyed in the name of God? We must fire this God to break the pattern. History has factually shown us that while we are attempting to serve this God, we have always been attempting to destroy portions of our own mankind. Today, how do you fire this all-powerful God? You dry up the collection plate. You will retire Him.
Who was the Egyptians’ evil? Who was the Israelites’ adversary? It is the notorious: “One God of Abraham”.
What, you might say! No Satan, no Heaven or Hell, no afterlife has yet been mentioned? Those beliefs won’t come for about 1,500 years.
To “have faith” is to blindly and irrationally support something although it is nonsense. One cannot explain nonsense; ergo, one cannot explain faith. Do people, who influence you, want you to think and to learn or to believe and to obey? Those who promote faith want you to maintain your ignorance for their own control for their “assumed authority” over your blind obedience. Learning does not take place without a change of behavior.
Truth: The dedication to what is real and accurate. Shouldn’t we support the reality of proven facts, even if they are not what we want?
Samuel Clements aka Mark Twain: All that it takes for great lies to continue is for honest people to do nothing.
Well, that also proves that those people are not truly honest. And their moral courage? “Forget about it”. (Best spoken with a New York accent).
Feel-good believers compromise: To them, when the truth is ugly, only a lie can appear beautiful. Believers tend to compromise reality in favor of beautiful fantasies and falsehoods.
Sometimes believers will stubbornly double down concerning their unlikely belief: “I just know it!” They know nothing. But now you know that they desire to become an authority, superior to you, to control you and to be “respected” (obeyed) by you.
You know, when you complain, half the people don’t give a damn. But the other half are glad you are complaining because it makes them feel superior.
Wisdom cannot be taught. For some thinkers, this material triggers enlightenment and knowledge. But, for the mind-set, God-fearing believers, it is like facing a lobotomy – without anesthesia. These rational questions, perspectives, thoughts, theories and discoveries do tend to lie outside the dogmatic, mainstream of religion. Science learned more yesterday than all the religions have taught in 4,000 years.
The Constitution and the Bill of Rights of the United States assures that questions are “free speech”. The question is the highest form of thought. Critical questions of a crooks claimed “truths” best determines their guilt in the justice system from the street cop to the supreme court. “Knowing” is a low form of thought. Believing is the dumbest form of thought. The question gets to the facts, in reality. Facts, unlike subjective truths, do not seek others approval, acceptance or support. A documented fact in time can stand alone not giving a damn who agrees with it. I prefer to know an objective fact in time rather than believe a subjective truth that always has an attached, manipulative agenda to it. Considering that facts can change in time, they will rarely let you down whereby believing subjective truths can often turn out to be intentional lies designed to manipulate, cover up and deceive. Lies are the defense of the guilty.
Free speech is conditional: If you lie under oath to a Judge, Congress or the FBI – you will be punished.
President Donald J. Trump was fact-checked by the New York Times and the Washington Post to have stated about 30,529 public recorded lies during his 4 years as President of the United States. He’d dare not testify under oath without taking the 5th. Free speech is not always free or without legal consequence.
The Biblical God’s main theme throughout the entire Old Testament is: Obey Me or I will kill you. There was no believed “afterlife” for the followers of that time so death was all that the Biblical God could threaten the gullible with.
The Declaration of Independence
Clergy of certain faiths have people praying for “the harvest” which is the death of all Humanity. Don’t people know that they and their children all must die to satisfy “the harvest”? Do they hate life on earth so much that they would willingly sacrifice all mankind to get off, they think, safely? What if their faith was misplaced and they found out that they were not chosen? Would they still sacrifice all mankind for their gamble? Clergy spin sick scenarios based on sick, fear-based scripture.
The Bible has stories that people are told to live by. Can you pick just one that you would like your child to live by if the child had to fulfill the story in its entirety? Which one?
Q: Other than the myth of creation, where in the Bible did the Biblical God do something good for someone without hurting another?
Make your list. See your list’s importance and quality to Humanity. Become aware of how long your “God did good” list is.
Again, can you consider that: The God of the Bible is not a good God, and the Bible is not a good model for Humanity? Today, by popular Christian dogma, if you piss God off for any reason, He will sentence you into Hell’s Eternal Torment – with no chance for parole.
Have you noticed that in The Old Testament, The Biblical God’s documented murderers, adulterers and thieves had more combined time on the world stage, in the spotlight, in the headlines, than anyone else?
God is temperamental? Isn’t that Satan’s job? How angry and evil would you have to become to do the horrible, murderous things God is documented by C&V to have done? Could you do those things? If yes, is that why you worship, admire and wish to serve this insane and murderous God – on His terms?
Do you like people who attempt to change the facts you have discovered with irrational faith (non-sense) with a straight face and denial? Nobody likes to be proven wrong, but one often learns something when that happens. Often, it’s the painful lessons about God or ourselves, that we refuse to learn.
When people can’t effectively see anything but themselves, their Ego invents a personal God to focus on. If you asked someone to define the characteristics of their God, it would be doubtful you would recognize any God of the Bible. You would probably recognize a fair description of themselves.
Could the biggest moral force in the universe be that which leaves natural things alone?
Natural evolution tolerating the acceptance of differences and diversity, may be the second greatest moral force. Destructive revolution with no tolerance of differences may be the greatest evil force.
How many times does the God of The Old Testament display, by deeds, a sense of morality? How many times does He not?
If God is our moral model, how well or far has it developed according to history and the current newspaper? It seems gun size and military strength determines morality if you listen to the testimonies of moral cowards and sheep.
Does your clergy preach for you to look forward to another world by forsaking this one? Does your clergy tell you that you don’t have to die to get there? Does he or she promote Santa Claus?
Did the Hebrews of the OT believe in an afterlife? Do most Jews today believe in an afterlife?
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God’s Evil Deeds
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What one person, who you know, would be impacted if sent to this website?
I Kings 2:14 Elisha struck the water, it divided, and he crossed over.
Elisha Struck the Water The Water Divided
Like Moses and Elijah, Elisha parted a body of water. What supernatural nonsense!
I Kings 17: 17-24 Elijah brought a woman’s son back to life.
Is this the first Biblical resurrection?
II Kings 2:23-24 Elisha, (God’s prophet) goes to Bethel. Some little children called him bald head. Elisha cursed them in God’s name and two she bears came out of the woods and tore 42 of the children to pieces. KJV & Catholic
What? God’s hero, Elisha, had God send two she bears out of the woods to tear 42 children to pieces. Is this pure insanity or what? Are you sure you believe the Bible? Are you sure the Biblical God is a “God of Love”? How do you explain II Kings 2:23-24 to your children?
II Kings 4:32-35 Elisha found a dead child, laid on him, gave him mouth to mouth; the child came to life.
Elisha brought A Child Back to Life
Elisha brought 2 children back to life. Is it supposed to make up for the 42 little children that Elisha cursed to death by having 2 bears tear them apart? Jesus resurrected Lazareth and others. How miraculous is Jesus’ resurrection if others had already come back to life?
II Kings 13:20-21 When a dead body touches Elisha’s bones, it comes to life.
Luke 7:11-17 Jesus raises a Widow from Nain’s dead boy to life.
Luke 8:40-56 Jesus said Jairus’s daughter was just sleeping and raised her back to life.
Integrity & the critical mind: If Jairus’ daughter was dead, then Jesus lied about her “just sleeping” and no miracle was performed.
John 11:1-44 Lazarus died. His body stunk. Jesus raised Lazaras back to life.
Matthew 27:50-53 When Jesus died on the cross, the bodies of many holy people came to life in the cemetery. They experienced resurrection.
Acts 9:36-42 Peter Raised Tabitha AKA Dorcus back to life. Everybody is amazed.
Acts 20:7-12 Paul Raised Eutychus back to life.
These are other Biblical characters who raised people from the dead besides Jesus. It somewhat dilutes Jesus’ power and importance of coming back to life for some logical minds. What realist would consider Jesus’ resurrection to be factual?
II Kings 6:18 Elisha prayed for God to smite people Blind. God did.
II Kings 8:7-15 Elisha (lied) told Hazael to tell Ben-Hadad he will recover. However, God showed Elisha Ben-Hadad would in fact die. Elisha said (to God): I know that You (God) will dash their little children to pieces and lay open their pregnant women.
There is just no room in these criminal stories for idealism and feel-good. This is not a loving God. If you believe these Bible C&Vs, how can you still support this Biblical God? Do you truly love this God? Do you fear this God? If so, doesn’t “monkey-mind” lead Human morality?
Some fundamentalist believers behave as if the Bible should always be taken literally – unless it’s convenient not to. “I’ve made up my mind so don’t confuse me with the facts.”
Fundamentalist Believers
Do most religions demonize others just to justify their own agendas?
2 Kings 2:24 God Had 2 She-Bears Tear 42 Children To Pieces?
I Kings 17: 17-24 Elijah, God’s prophet, brought a woman’s son back to life.
This is the first Biblical resurrection.
I Kings 18:22 & 40 Elijah, God’s prophet, slit the throats of 450 Baal prophets.
My Gawd! God’s man Elijah slit the throats of 450 men of another religion? Elijah certainly performs the usual qualification to be God’s man. Would you want Elijah to baby-sit your kids?
II Kings 1:9-12 Elijah ordered God to murder, toast, and instant won-ton, by fire,102 soldiers.
Similarly, Joshua had ordered God to make the Sun stand still so that Joshua could finish all God’s murdering of men, women and children so to steal their land. God takes orders from His murderous men.
II Kings 1:16-17 Elijah told King Ahaziah: Because the King sent messengers to inquire about Beelzebub, he will die. King Ahaziah died.
II Kings 2:8 Elijah struck the river Jordan and it divided. Both Elijah and Elisha walked over on dry land. Once there, God sent flaming horses and chariots between them and took Elijah (without dying) up to Heaven in a whirlwind.
Let’s see if the book of Deuteronomy can be as cruel as the other four books of the Torah as Moses re-hashes his history with his God.
Deuteronomy 1:34-38 God was angry and swore: Not one man of this evil generation shall look upon the good land I gave your fathers, except for Joshua and Caleb because they followed (obeyed) Me unreservedly.
Numbers 14:23-38 The Israelites were complaining against God, Moses and Arron. Joshua and Caleb said: The land is good. God will GIVE it to us.
God did not GIVE “The Promised Land” to the Israelites. The Israelites had to murder men, women and children so that they could steal their land.
Numbers 14:29 God told His people that all of you over 20-years-old coming out of Egypt, who had complained about Me, will die in the wilderness.
Here is Bible C&V evidence that the God lied and broke His promise to most of the people that He led out of Egypt. It is also evidence that God’s promises are conditional.
Numbers 33:52-56 God said: You shall drive out (and murder) the inhabitants of the land I give you or I will do to you what I thought to do to them. KJV
What? God said to murder them and to steal their land, or I will do to you what I thought to do to them?
So Christian, is this the Biblical God, the One God of Abraham, that you love, worship, adore, support, promote and finance?
Christians, do you believe what this God said? Do you defend what this God did?
God promised to GIVE His “chosen people The Promised Land. Then, God made them murder other Human Beings for it.
God, as documented by Bible C&V, never breaks His promises – unless He feels like it. Will you still deny that God broke His promises? Probably so.
Deuteronomy 2:14-15 38 years later, God’s whole generation of soldiers died.
What? 38 years – not 40 years? God had cursed His Israelites to wander in the desert for 40 years due to their disobedience. This is also an example that the Bible is not consistent.
God turned His gift into punishment: Catholic Bible Note
Deuteronomy 2:24-25 God said: Begin the occupation. Provoke him into war. Today, I am beginning to make all nations dread and fear you. Torah
Isn’t it obvious about God’s intentional and murderous agenda? Chapters and verses like this prove that the One God of Abraham is the evilest murderer and terrorist in the Bible. Later, Satan’s documented behavior is nothing compared to the Biblical God’s evil.
Sir Christian, do you know what is the evilest behavior Satan is accused of in the Bible? To win a bet with Satan, God permitted Satan to murder Job’s 7 sons and 3 daughters and some servants. Was Satan accused of murdering anyone else in the Bible? Satan did not succeed in trying to tempt Jesus Christ. SatanDID successfully tempt God.
JOB
Job 1:1-22 There was a man named Job, perfect and upright who resisted evil. Job had 10 children – 7 sons and 3 daughters. Job had great wealth.
The sons of God presented themselves before God. Satan was among them. God asked Satan: Where are you coming from? Satan said: Going to and fro in the Earth. God asked Satan: Have you considered my servant, Job? There is none like him on Earth. Job is a perfect man who fears Me and Job resists evil. Satan asked God: Does Job fear God for nothing? Haven’t You protected Job from everything? You have blessed his success and his wealth. If You destroy what he has, he will curse You to your face.
God told Satan: All that Job has is in your power just don’t put your hand on him. Satan left.
Job learned that he lost his oxen, he lost his asses, he lost his camels, his sheep were burned up, and his servants were killed. He learned that his 7 sons and 3 daughters were dead.
Job got up. shaved his head, fell to the ground and he worshiped God. Job said: God gave, and God has taken away. Blessed be God. Job did not sin or blame God.
Job seemed to know that God was behind it, but he also seemed afraid to blame God.
Q: Was Satan also a son of God? Satan appears to be both a partner and a rival of God.
Job 2:1-3 The sons of God presented themselves before God. Satan was among them. God asked Satan: Where are you coming from? Satan said: Going to and fro in the Earth. God asked Satan: Have you considered my servant Job? There is none like him on Earth.
God said: Job’s a perfect man who fears Me and Job still resists evil although, you, Satan, moved / tempted Me to destroy Job. KJV
THERE IT IS: God is documented, by Bible C&V, to confess thatSatansuccessfully moved Godto destroy Job without cause.
Why does this “perfect” God send Human souls into Hell’s Eternal-Torment for successfully being moved by Satan when God, Himself confessed to being guilty of being moved, (urged, tempted, incited, provoked enticed), by Satan?
All these words from different Bibles claim that: Satan successfully TEMPTED God!
“The Lord’s Prayer” to God begs: “Lead us not into temptation”.
Why do believers claim that it is Satan, not God, who temps us?
How do you view this God’s heinous deeds toward humankind? How do you view scholars and clergy who support this God? When tried, how do you view jurors or believers who attempt to cover-up or ignore the facts in order to acquit the Biblical God? It’s all “false authority and cowardly belief”.
Evangelicals, who are mindset due to being brainwashed, conditioned and programmed to follow, worship, obey, promote, support and finance a false authority; prove that an assumed authority can easily step in and receive all the power, worship and benefits. President Donald J. Trump comes to mind.
Many Evangelicals, for years now, have found themselves actively worshiping, obeying, promoting, supporting and financing Donald J. Trump far more than they have worshiped, obeyed, promoted, supported, and financed, Jesus Christ.
Deuteronomy 2:30-34 God made a puppet of King Sihon (hardened his heart as God did Pharaoh) so we could murder him, his sons and all his people. God’s army destroyed all this King’s cities and utterly destroyed all the men, women, and all the little ones. We took all his cattle and spoils of all his cities. KJV.
Isn’t this Biblical God a bully and a murdering, stealing terrorist? What does this God character, fictional or not, have to do before believers wake up to see what this evil character is documented to have done by Bible C&V evidence?
Deuteronomy 3:1-7 God delivered Og to us and we killed (murdered) until none remained, utterly destroying all the men, women and children of all 60 cities, but we took all the livestock and booty for ourselves.
Have you felt any pity for these poor people who God forced His Jews to murder so to steal their land? Do you at least feel sorry for all the slaughtered women and for their babies?
Do you realize that the victims had no idea who this God was? Do you view that they were all rightfully destined to die by violent means? Do you have any empathy? Would you want what God did to them done to you and your family?
If you say yes, you are insane. If you say no, then God was wrong.
How about an American idea? Let’s go and twice nuke over 200,000 civilians after their all but defeated country loses a war. That will teach them to obey United States of America.
Perspective: During WW II, that Adolf Hitler started, about 85 million Human Beings were killed. Many died due to American technology, weapons and manpower. American deaths were about 406,000.
Deuteronomy 3:22-24 God tells Moses: Fear them not. Your God will fight for you. What God in Heaven or on Earth can perform deeds as mighty as yours?
Moses does kiss God’s buttocks.
Addictions: It’s that sensitive feeling, the one you will not debate, like your desire for drugs, alcohol, sex, or your religious beliefs, that emotionally controls you to do what you do. Religion, food, alcohol, drugs and sex are not your addictions. Secret: You are only addicted to one thing – a feeling. No feeling equals no addiction.
That which can give you emotional pleasure can also give you physical, emotional and financial pain.
Deuteronomy 3:26-28 Moses said: But God turned against me because of you. God said to Moses: Enough! Do not speak to Me anymore about this. Climb the cliff, see it (The Promised Land) as you will not cross into it. Instruct Joshua, as he will lead the people.
Moses Sees the Promised Land. But Moses does not get there. Neither does Aaron or Miriam.
God’s Biblical heroes, Moses, Aaron and Miriam were all lied to and let down. God’s promises to them were broken. None of them received “God’s gift” / “The Promised Land of Milk and Honey”.
Again, God’s promise of The Promised Land was conditional. Again, this is Bible C&V evidence that the Biblical God lies and does not keep His promises.
Hummm, let’s re-evaluate, haven’t all of God promises turned out to be conditional? Which of God’s promises were not conditional?
Deuteronomy 4:10 God said: Learn to fear Me and teach the children to fear God.
The Biblical God is a murderous, lying, thieving terrorist. It’s all about Him. This narcissist God wants fear. He demands war! Aren’t today’s kids supposed to love God and fear Satan? Believers are so afraid of God; they have to blame everything bad on another, new fictitious entity who was introduced later called Satan. The Old Testament Hebrews did not do that. They believed that their God did it all.
After 539 BC, the Zoroastrian religion influence a few non-conformed Jews about an Afterlife, Heaven, Hell, and Salvation. A new Rabbi, born about 1 AD, started a new religion and it became the most successful and richest religion on Earth. That religion became Christianity. It preached and taught: Afterlife, Heaven, Hell and Salvation. Did that new Rabbi plagiarize Zoroastrianism to create His new religion?
Deuteronomy 4:21-22 Moses repeats: God displayed anger at me due to your words. God swore that I would die in this country, not making it into The Promised Land.
Deuteronomy 4:24 God is a consuming fire, even a Jealous God. KJV
Isn’t Hell described as a consuming-fire and eternal-torment? Is this heinous God also Satan and Hell. Is this God described to be the “Lake of Fire”?
Just think of it. If anyone else did these heinous, murderous and terrorist acts; he would surely be considered insane. But not the Biblical God – right?
Deuteronomy 4:25-26 If you make a statue or image, making God angry, you will then quickly perish, be utterly destroyed.
Godly-gee, confusion, for, this follows:
Deuteronomy 4:31 For the Lord thy God is a merciful God; He will not forsake you nor forget the promises He swore to your fathers.
Is this Fox “News” quality of lying propaganda, media hype, feel-good false advertising, delusion, hypnosis, a con-job or what? Are we glad we are told that this God is good? Now, we all can forgive, forget and start all over with God. But God does not change.
Remember this Biblical God already caused millions of His Own “Chosen People” to die due to His “Promised Land” agenda. How many people did they kill so to steal they’re The Promised Lands? God ordered His people to kill and die, then, God ended up killing most of His Own, Himself. It’s tough to break from religion hypnosis. If clergy knows the chapter & verse deeds of this hostile, criminally insane God, yet, support Him, what does that make them?
Deuteronomy 5:8-9 God said: You shall not make yourself any graven image or any likeness of anything. You shall not bow down to them nor serve them…
God, Himself ordered Moses to make two (2) graven images. One was “The Arc of the Covenant” that the Israelites worshipped and tried to protect. The second graven image that God ordered was a “Caduceus”, the image of a snake wrapped around a pole so that those who could see it would not die of snakebite – a method, by which, God was murdering thousands of His own “Chosen People”. The “Cross” with or without an image of Jesus Christ on it also qualifies as a graven image that a couple billion people pretend to worship. You see, believers don’t really worship the cross because God in Deuteronomy 5:8-10 forbid making for yourself a carved or “Graven Image”. Out of the 3 million Human Beings that the Biblical God took out of Egypt, only Joshua and Caleb, along with the boys and girls under the age of 20, survived. God saw fit to murder the other millions of His own chosen Human Beings. Do you challenge or do you accept these Biblical C&V facts? Bottom line, do you believe these selected, controversial Bible C&Vs as written?
Deuteronomy 5:9 God said: I am a jealous God. I inflict punishments for their father’s wickedness upon the children …
This is evidence that God does punish children for the father’s sins.
God Inflicting His Punishment?
This Biblical God does inflict His wickedness upon children for the sins of the parents.
Pause. Take an intellectual breath. Do you believe in, support and promote this C&V? Would you do the same thing that God did if you could to innocent children? Would you want to be punished, by God, for what your daddy might have done? Later, God tortured and murdered His “only begotten Son”, Jesus, for “the sins of the world”.
Deuteronomy 6:5-6 God commands you to love Him with your heart and soul. Catholic
Catholic: “The Great Commandment”.
Can your feelings of love be commanded or legislated? Your feelings of fear? Maybe. Can any authority command or legislate your love (feelings) for God, King, Country, Buddha, or a sports team?
Now, are you ready for another of God’s real deals?
Deuteronomy 7:16 Without pity, kill all of the people God delivers to you.
Can this be God’s guidance for the murdering of women & children and the treatment of P.O.W.s?
Thomas Paine 1737-1809: “Religions appear to me non-other than human inventions, set up to terrify and enslave mankind, and to monopolize power and profit.”
King Henry VIII had the first Bible, the Great Bible of 1839, printed and distributed in English. The problem with this was the reader became the interpreter of scripture and the Catholic Church didn’t want that. They wanted to keep the content of the Bible secret, exclusive to the interpretations of their clergy. The evidence of this was: The Catholic Priests preached their sermons in Latin until 1963.
Many believers, especially Catholics, believe that to divorce is against God’s commandments yet God, Himself is a divorcee as documented in Jeremiah 3-8. Do as I say – not as I do?
The King James Version came out in 1611 AD. The KJV is also somewhat different today than it was in 1611.
Deuteronomy 7:20-24 God said that He will send hornets to destroy your surviving enemies, so don’t worry about them. You will murder these nations little by little; you cannot exterminate them all at once. You will rout them utterly until they are annihilated. No man will be able to stand against you, till you put an end to them. Catholic
Deuteronomy 8:20 Like the nations God destroys before you, so shall you too perish, if you do not obey God.
Again, God’s main Old Testament theme: Obey Me or I will kill you.
This tyrannical God is only about authority and obedience. So are most of the believers who support this insane, tyrannical character.
Deuteronomy 9:3 God, a consuming fire, will reduce them to nothing and subdue them before you, so that you can drive them out and destroy them quickly.
Deuteronomy 9:28 Moses prayed: God, would You have people from whose land we take say: The Lord was not able to bring them into The Promised Land He promised them or out of hatred for them, He brought His “Chosen People” out to murder them in the desert?
That’s exactly what the Biblical God did to the people over 20 years of age who God took out of Egypt.
Deuteronomy 10:8 God set apart the tribe of Levi to carry the Arc, minister to Him and give blessings in His name.
Deuteronomy 10:17 For God, mighty and awesome, has no favorites, accepts no bribes…
If God has no favorites, then the Jews, especially the Levi, are not favored nor special and prayer and tithes are basically useless to God.
Deuteronomy 11:13 God said: If you obey My commandments, I command you to love your God and serve Him with all your heart and soul.
Pastor Arnold Murray, upon reading this asked: Are you sold-out to Him. Do you love Him? Many of us in combat (Korea) have seen God’s hand upon our troops. When we were so far outnumbered, we should have been annihilated, we won because of the mighty hand of God’s blessing. And that the death of all those Koreans & Chinese brings peace to this great nation.
Pastor Murray certainly sounds like the Biblical God’s man.
Deuteronomy 11:13-15 (If you love your God with all your heart and soul), I will give you rain, crops, wine and cattle so you won’t be hungry.
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From obey or die – to obey and get rewarded? God uses threats and bribery? Can anybody possibly get confused by the Bible?
Everything in the Bible is absolutely true… unless it isn’t.
Praise and Punishment are the tools of dog training.
Deuteronomy 12:2 God said: You shall destroy places and nations…
Deuteronomy 12:12 & 18 You shall make merry before God with your sons, daughters and your male and female slaves…
Bible C&V evidence: God condones male and female slavery and promotes slavery for your sons and daughters.
Deuteronomy 12:29 God said: Be on guard after they have been wiped out before you. You have replaced them. You have settled in their land.
God documented right here: You murdered them. You stole their land. You settled in their land.
Deuteronomy 13:2-10 That prophet, that dreamer of dreams shall be put to death because he has spoken to take you away from your God. You must be the one to put him to death. Your hand must be the first against him to kill him followed by the hands of the other people.
Deuteronomy 13:7-10 God ordered: If your own brother, daughter, son, wife or friend entices you secretly to serve other Gods, murder them. Your own hand shall be the first raised to murder them; the rest of the people shall join in with you.
Do you realize that God ordered mob murder. Would one consider this to be a stabilizing perspective for one’s mental health?
Whenever trust is introduced, there is always the probability of betrayal. The mechanism of belief tends to ignore that. Believers are rarely prepared for betrayal to the point that they often deny it even after it happens. A high percentage of stupid is stubborn.
Deuteronomy 14:21 Ye shall not eat of anything that dies of itself: Thou shalt give it or sell it to a stranger that he may eat it. KJV
Don’t you eat it. Sell it to a stranger to eat.
Do you want to go to court on this Bible C&V?
In Court
Scenario
Judge: Mr. Believer / Defendant, you are accused of selling tainted meat to a family that resulted in two dead and one terminally ill. How do you plead?
Defendant: Innocent, your honor.
Judge: Do you wish to testify on you own behalf?
Defendant: Yes, your honor.
Judge: Swear him in.
Defendant: Your honor, if you swear me in on this here Bible, I would like it to show in the record that it was done.
Judge: Granted, because I believe in God; and in my court, you will respect God, country, me and my court. Did you sell this family meat?
Defendant: Sir, because you believe in God, I will tell you the facts. Yes, your honor, I did.
Judge: Where did you get the meat?
Defendant: I found it dead in the back woods, your honor. It was dead!
Judge: Describe its condition.
Defendant: Well, your honor, it stank a little and had a few maggots that I scrapped off, but I knew it would be ok.
Judge: In your defense what evidence do you have to prove that you are innocent?
Defendant: Well, your honor, turn to this very King James Bible you swore me in on to:
Deuteronomy 14:21. God directed me: “You shall not eat of anything that dies of itself, you shall give it or sell it to a stranger to eat.”
God told me to sell to a stranger some rancid meat. If he gets sick or dies, it’s God’s will, not mine. I was just following God’s Biblical orders. Judge, if you find me guilty, and, if you believe in the Bible; you must find God guilty too.
Judge: (After a long, angry stare): Case dismissed…
Why is this horrifying and disgusting Bible called: The Good Book? In this sacred book, by which we are sworn in on during court, could this very sacred C&V serve as one’s infallible defense?
Deuteronomy 14:26 You may exchange money for whatever you desire, oxen or sheep, wine or strong drink or anything else you enjoy before God. You shall partake of it and make merry with your family. Catholic
Boy, I’ll bet Alcoholics Anonymous (AA) squirms with this sacred passage: “You shall partake of it (wine or strong drink?) with your family?” God not only condones alcohol, but God promotes alcohol.
Deuteronomy 17:3-7 Any man or woman, who worships the Sun, Moon or any Host of Heaven, will be stoned to death. All the people are to join in on the murdering.
God commands, promotes, orders Human Beings to mob murder.
Deuteronomy 17:12 Any man who has the insolence to refuse to listen to God’s priest or judge shall die.
Isn’t it better that US laws are secular laws and not God’s laws? Just who did write the Bible? Are you sure these authoritarian writers weren’t just power-crazy men?
Deuteronomy 17:15-17 You shall set a king over you that God chooses. He shall not have a great number of wives, nor shall he accumulate vast amounts of gold and silver.
I Kings 11:3 (King) Solomon had 700 wives and 300 concubines.
I Kings 10:23 (King) Solomon surpassed in riches all the Kings on Earth.
Wow! King Solomon (God’s Hero) had 700 Wives & 300 Concubines, and he surpassed in wealth all the Kings on Earth.
Can you explain I Kings 11:3 / 10:23 and Deuteronomy 17:15-17?
Why do believers claim that the Bible has no contradictions?
Deuteronomy 19:21 Have no pity; you must take an eye for an eye, tooth for a tooth, hand for a hand, and a foot for a foot. Torah
Deuteronomy 20:10-17 God said: When you attack a city, first offer it terms of peace. If it agrees, all of its people will serve you in forced labor. If they refuse, destroy them by murdering all their males; but, the women, children, livestock and all worth plundering, God has given to you. That is how you deal with a distant city. But the cities God gives you as your heritage, you shall not leave a single soul alive. You must doom them all.
Don’t try to be an insane, tyrannical God & command these orders?
Deuteronomy 21:1-9 If a corpse of a slain man is found, take a heifer and cut the heifer’s throat. The elders shall wash their hands over the heifer whose throat was cut and they shall be absolved of the guilt of bloodshed, and you may prosper in doing what is right in the eyes of the Lord.
What difference is this from a Devil worshipping ceremony? By the way, any mention of any Devil, Satan or after-life yet? Only believers promote that Satan and Devils exist.
The DeVaney Challenge: Other than the myth of creation, can you list where in the Bible, the Biblical God did something good for someone without hurting another?
I do know a few but they are incidental, minor and rare.
Deuteronomy 21:18-21 If a father has a stubborn, rebellious son, kill (murder) the son.
Have you ever wondered what drives confused, frightened children to escape into alcohol and drugs? Personally, I don’t do drugs. I choose to be in control of myself and to protect my feelings and their 2 emotion (do want / don’t want) intensities. GWD
Deuteronomy 22:5 A woman shall not wear men’s clothes. If a man puts on a woman’s dress, it’s an abomination to your God. KJV
Obviously, cross-dressing is out.
In God’s Bible and under God’s law: Rape / murder / adultery and rebellious children all have the death penalty.
Deuteronomy 22:20-21 If the tokens of virginity be not found in a damsel (new wife) – murder her.
Whew!!! Are males lucky, or what?
Deuteronomy 22:13-19 A man took a wife, had sex with her and then he hated her because he claimed she was not a virgin. But the girl’s father and mother brought tokens of the girl’s virginity (blood) to the city judges. The girl’s father tells the elders: I gave my daughter to this man for his wife. Now he hates her claiming that she was not a virgin – yet – these are the (bloody) tokens of my daughter’s virginity. The father spread the (bloody) cloth evidence before the judges. The judges found the man guilty of lying and bringing an evil name upon a virgin of Israel. They punished him by fining him a hundred shekels of silver to give to the father of the girl. The girl shall continue to be his wife. The man may never divorce her as long as he lives.
Deuteronomy 22:20-21 But had the man told the truth and there is no blood evidence of the girl’s virginity, they shall bring the girl to the door of her father’s house, and the men of her city shall stone her to death – because she played the whore in her father’s house. You shall kill her to put evil away from among you and Israel.
Deuteronomy 22:22-24 If a virgin girl is betrothed and another man has sex with her – then you shall stone them both to death – because the virgin girl did not cry out and because the man had sex with his neighbor’s (future) wife.
Betrothed damsel, engaged girl? Wasn’t “The Virgin Mary” betrothed / engaged to Joseph when Jesus / The Holy Ghost / God (The Trinity = All 3 Are One) impregnated her?
Did Joseph give his consent to “The Virgin Mary’s” impregnation?
Did 13-year-old Mary give her consent to be knocked-up by The Holy Ghost?
Did Mary’s mother and father give their consent for Mary to become pregnant?
By the way – who and where was Mary’s mother and father? Why did they and her grandparents show no interest in Mary and baby Jesus?
According to “The Trinity” Jesus Christ was also “The Holy Ghost”. If so, then Jesus knocked-up His own mother “The Virgin Mary” to produce Himself. You really can’t have it any other way.
Deuteronomy 22:25-26 But, if a man finds a betrothed girl in the field and forced her to have sex, then, the man only shall die. You shall do nothing to the girl as she committed no sin worthy of death. Consider that when the man had sex with her, he slayed his neighbor concerning this matter. For when he found her in the field, and the betrothed girl cried, there was none to save her.
Deuteronomy 22:28-29 If a man finds a girl who is a virgin, and not betrothed, and has sex with her, and they be found; then the man that had sex with her shall give to the girl’s father fifty shekels of silver. She shall become his wife. Because he had sex with her, he must remain married to her for the rest of his life.
Well, equality was never considered or felt necessary by the God that made these insane rules.
Deuteronomy 23:1 A man shall not marry his father’s wife nor have sex with her.
Tell that to Ruben, God’s chosen Jacob’s son, who had sex with Bilhah in Genesis 35:22!
Deuteronomy 23:2 No one whose testicles have been crushed or whose penis has been cut off may be admitted into the marriage community of the Lord.
Hummm… What about a vasectomy?
Deuteronomy 23:3 No child of incest may be admitted into the marriage community of God.
No child of incest? Later, that would eliminate God’s chosen Moses, Aaron, Miriam (Exodus 6:20) and the kids from Abraham and his half-sister Sarah and kids from Jacob and his cousin harem.
Do you acknowledge that so far, almost all of God’s Biblical heroes are products of incest?
Deuteronomy 23:11 If you become unclean because of a nocturnal emission (a wet dream), leave camp, wash up, and when the sun has set, come back into camp.
Deuteronomy 23:14 Go outside, dig a hole and afterward, cover up your excrement.
The Amish, Mennonites, Quakers and other fundamentalists dictate that every word of the Bible should be obeyed literally. Maybe fundamentalist Baptists should be included.
Deuteronomy 24:1 When a man who marries a woman and has sex with her, is displeased with her because he finds her indecent, he writes her a bill of divorce dismissing her from his house.
Who would ever dare say that the Biblical Old Testament God’s divorce law is tough on women?
Jeremiah 3:8 The Biblical God issued a Bill of Divorce.
God Himself, is a divorcee. Shocking – isn’t it? Anyone who issues or receives a “Bill of Divorce” legally becomes a divorcee. Why is the Catholic Church against divorce when their model, The Biblical God, is a divorcee?
Jesus went against God’s and Moses’ divorce laws: “If you marry, you are stuck with each other for life.”
Deuteronomy 24:16 Fathers shall not be put to death for their children nor children for their fathers; only for his own guilt shall a man be put to death.
Behold! A sensible, favorable contradiction! But it’s a contradiction to all the C&Vs that claim Children pay for the sins of the father – for generations.
Deuteronomy 25:11-12 When two men are fighting and the wife of one intervenes to save her husband, if she seizes the other man’s private parts (penis and / or balls), you shall chop off her hand, without pity.
What? Can you picture this? This author had some pretty kinky ideas!
Deuteronomy 27:22 Cursed be he who has relations with his sister or his half-sister…
Genesis 20:12 Abraham, the father of three (3) religions (Judaism, Christianity and Islam) and Sarah, his wife, were half-brother and sister – same father, different mothers.
That makes Isaac, who started the Jewish line a product of incest.
Behold: Ishmael, who started the Islamic line, was not a product of incest. Was Abraham like Eve, due to sin, responsible for the constant plight of the Jews due to this little-known curse of incest that is rarely discussed. Did incest cause 4,000 years of war?
Deuteronomy 27:25 Cursed be he who accepts payment for slaying an innocent man.
Are innocent soldiers cursed if they kill opposing innocent soldiers?
Are the answers to these questions the facts?
Who murdered two priests due to their making cooking errors?
Who commands you to not make tattoo marks on your skin?
Who commands not go to the mediums or consult fortune-tellers?
Who commands: If you commit adultery means death?
Who commands to kill gay men?
Who said: Who acts as a medium or fortune-teller shall be put to death?
Who commanded: If a priest’s daughter fornicates – burn her to death?
Whose sanctuary is profaned by the handicapped?
Who guides a priest in buying a slave?
Who won’t accept sacrifice of an animal with crushed balls?
Who insists that animal mother’s babies live 7 days before sacrificing them?
Who ordered a whole community to murder someone?
Who said: Slaves, male and female you may indeed possess?
Who said: If you defy Me, you will eat the flesh of your sons and daughters?
Who said: I will have them eat the flesh of their sons and daughters?
Who said: Fathers shall eat sons and sons shall eat fathers?
Who said: Any layman who comes near My dwelling will be put to death?
Who moves sick, suffering people away as He can’t stand to be near them?
Who burned people just for complaining?
Who gave Miriam leprosy and said: Suppose her father spit in his daughter’s face?
Who broke his sacred promises?
Who spared only two (2) out of his own 603,550 infantry soldiers?
Who commanded Moses to murder a man for gathering sticks on the Sabbath?
Who burned alive, by fire, Korah’s 250 men?
Who murdered 14,700 more of his own?
Who said: If their grumbling does not cease, they shall die?
Who said: Contribute the best tithes or bring death upon yourself?
Who sent poisonous snakes to murder his own people?
Who ordered Moses to murder the city of Og?
Who said: Murder all the Midianite males?
Whose army killed every male child and kept 32,000 virgin girls for themselves?
Who made Israel wander in the desert 40 years until they all died?
Who said: Provoke him into war?
Whose army destroyed all the men, women and the little ones of 60 cities?
Who is jealous and punishes the children for their fathers’ sins?
Who said: Without pity – kill all the people I deliver to you?
Who sent hornets to destroy surviving enemies?
Who said: You will murder them and steal their land?
Who said: If she wants you to serve another God, your hand is the 1st to murder her?
Who said: Don’t eat it but sell tainted meat to a stranger?
The First 5 Books of the Bible according to Dusty & The History Channel:
Throughout the years, I have often asked myself: As a debater, what is my agenda? My agenda is to inform the believer, worshipper, promoter, supporter and financier of the Biblical God so he or she can know what the Bible says, Chapter & Verse, about Its God.
Now, if I debate you, I may ask you: What’s your agenda?
Experience tells me that you will not debate the selected, controversial Bible C&Vs taken issue with. You will use the time to try to break my will – to stop me from taking issue with the Bible and its God – to convert me to (again) become a Christian believer. Again? I was once a licensed, ordained minister.
Perspectives
Am I A Thinker Or A Believer?
Do I consider myself to be a “thinker” or to be a “believer”?
Can I perceive that “Intelligence Is Categorical”?
Can I perceive that the question is the highest form of thought?
Do I have any specific and rational questions about the Bible?
If not – why don’t, or wouldn’t I, have questions about the Bible?
Do I know – or do I want to know each and every controversial and contradictory C&V in the Bible? If not, why not? Those controversial and contradictory C&Vs are included in the Bible – aren’t they?
Do I want to know about the Bible enough to intelligently question others or to rationally debate it?
Do I think “faith” should be pawned off as fact?
Do I attempt to compete with Bible C&V facts or to replace rationale with obedience-based faith?
Do I view that non-topical and non-related issues should be included in C&V debate? Why?
In debate, do I try to avoid – or do I insist on avoiding – presented C&V facts?
Do I feel that I can successfully debate Biblical C&V facts?
Do I try to “spin” Biblical C&V facts to mean things other than stated?
Do I feel a need to preach, blackmail or condemn others who take issue with the Bible?
What objectives do I wish to accomplish in a Biblical debate?
Do I want to “convert” my opponent?
Declaration: I, Gary DeVaney, do not want to convert anyone. Once they know the controversial C&V facts concerning the Bible and its God – what they do with them is their business. Once they know most of the Bible’s controversial and contradictory C&Vs – my job is done.
Do I want to stop my opponent from doing what he or she is doing?
If my true agenda were found out by my opponent – would I lose interest?
Do I find myself promoting irrational faith and belief or rational logic, reason and knowledge?
Do I realize that learning requires a change of behavior – mine and theirs?
Do I know and am I considerate that different people learn at different paces?
Do I wish to debate the specific contents of the Bible or use the time to challenge the motives, agendas and credentials of my opponents?
Do I debate to learn – or to feel superior to – my opponent?
Can I put my ego in my pocket when I debate?
Do I tend to resist, adjust, avoid or change an uncomfortable, controversial topic when it is presented to me?
Am I argumentative for control or do I truly focus on and debate the topic?
Do other debaters have to agree with me for the debate to be of value to me?
Do I feel it would it be a sin if I learned something unpleasant and controversial about the Bible and its God?
Under what circumstances would I tend to get angry?
Do I wish to learn about the topic or do I tend to assume authority over the topic and over others whom I debate?
In a debate, must I be right and you be wrong for it to be of value?
Ad Hominine: Am I guilty of attacking my debate opponent’s character or motive rather that addressing his or her issue? If I am losing the debate, do I tend to make my opponent the topic?
Do I tend to condemn my opponent to Hell for daring to debate the controversial Bible C&Vs?
Do I ever condemn, insult, demonize and run when I quit a debate?
Can I really learn anything if I only fight and argue for control?
What is the difference between a debate and an argument? Could it be that one who debates focuses on the topic while one who argues focuses on control? Which do I tend to be?
Would I sacrifice knowledge, or facts in evidence, just to win?
Can I remember that in a Biblical debate – I am not the authority – my opponent is not the authority – the documented Bible C&V facts are the authority?
Do I have any lasting-power concerning a Biblical debate?
Do I tend to stay on the subject or do I give constant personal testimonies and refer to irrelevant and unavailable material?
Do I try to get my opponent off the topic he or she initiated or that is being discussed?
Do I insist that the topic be all about me?
Do I understand that without questions, answers tend to be irrelevant and if I don’t question the topic, it’s improbable that any learning takes place for me?
Is evidence and proof or faith and belief more important to me concerning a Bible debate?
Am I really intellectually and emotionally capable of debating the Bible and its God?
Do I realize that as long as or during the time I won’t – I can’t?
What is my agenda concerning others who participate in a Bible debate?
Would I bother to read through this material prior to challenging or debating the Bible C&Vs taken issue with?
If not, what exactly is it I would be questioning, challenging or debating?
Is it true that a high percent of stupid is stubborn?
Do I ever come across stupid and / or stubborn?
If so, do I handle it with kindness?
How do I feel about these, or any other, guidelines concerning Biblical debate?
Have I formulated debate guidelines for myself that would prove successful for me to follow?
Honestly, in a Biblical debate, am I seeking sound facts and knowledge; or, am I seeking faithful conformity – a herd mentality – a flock commitment – blind obedience?
Blind Obedience?
Do I have the courage to question the “sacred” religious, social values and traditions of man?
Can I perceive that “tradition” is “the dead leading the blind”?
If you think you are capable of debating the Bible, The Bible According To DeVaney on thegodmurders.com website has about 5,000 very tough questions for you to evaluate and debate. Please contact us if you wish to correct or contribute to what is written.
Circular thinking – the Christian way: “God is real.” How do you know? “Because the Bible says so.” How do you know the Bible is correct? “Because it was inspired by God.”
A believer visited my “The God Murders” web site. He wrote in and stated angrily about my Bible, chapter and verse, criticism, “You don’t know the truth.”
I asked the believer what the truth was.
He said that “God was good.”
I asked him how that “God was good” measured up to the selected Bible C&Vs verses that I took issue with?
He said that I was going to Hell and departed.
Then, he came back and said: “You could never convince me of that God was not good.”
I said, “No, obviously I can’t – and neither can you see the truth – unless you read the selected Bible C&V passages for yourself. What do those words say?”
He said, “I don’t want to read your Satanic passages.”
I said, Then – you view parts of the Bible to be Satanic?
He said, “You’re going to Hell” departed and blocked any further e-mails from me.
Can You Debate The Topic?
Regards,
Gary DeVaney
What one person, who you know, would be impacted if sent to this site?
V HAD written these points (and I responded to them): I think I as a Christian just included in my responses to you how I could see the justness of (God) condemning Hitler.
G: But Vitac, IF Hitler, at the last minute, according to Christian dogma, could do what is necessary to be saved and forgiven, how JUST and FAIR is the penalty of Eternal Torment in condemning thinking / non-believing Atheists? I, for example, have never killed anyone and I’ve never spent a night in jail. But, because I don’t approve of and I do take issue with an insane Biblical God’s murderous rep-sheet, I face the same Eternal Torment as someone like an unsaved Adolf Hitler? What rational human being could consider that to be JUST and FAIR? Point blank, would you send us to Eternal Torment for JUSTLY taking issue with God’s heinous and insane rap-sheet? God’s rap-sheet is documented throughout the Bible, C&V.
V: On the other hand as for condemning atheist, the reason Christians hold that they are lost is simply because God’s universal law is that all sins must have the punishments taken.
G: If worshiping Jesus amounts to paying a bribe for special favor, I do not find that to be JUST and FAIR. Do you?
V: Since atheist are just the same as every other human being, a sinner, that like all people they have punishments coming for their sins. If that atheist dies without the benefit of having Jesus having been counted as the punishment for his sins in his place, then that atheist, like all sinners in the same situation, while have to take their punishments for themselves.
G: Another great difference between my values and a Christian believer’s – I do not view it JUST and FAIR for another to pay for my sins, errors or mistakes. A Christian believer is trained to look to another or others to pay for their mistakes / sins. Can you not see that to be a severe mental / emotions / character flaw? It is delusional.
V: However the punishments for sins and the need for Jesus’ intercession is not an Atheist issue, or a Jewish issue or a Buddhist issue, or an issue confined to any group. It is a universal issue of all humanity, that all are sinners and all need salvation from the punishments that are to be requited to them for their crimes.
G: That “international issue” is a bad model for humanity. Can you not see that?
G: So, Hitler could get a second chance with God by renouncing his former behavior?
V: That’s the deal God is offering to humanity in general.
G: So, to do .000000001% bad compared to what Hitler did gains you the same JUST and FAIR Eternal Punishment? And, Hitler, last minute can just repent and go to Heaven? Sorry V, I don’t buy into that super-corrupt agenda and I do not respect the tyrannical author of that agenda – and I stand against the gullible, fearful believers who support, promote and finance such a tyrannical agenda. Reality and sanity would claim that believers of such nonsense are dead wrong!
V: By presenting humanity with HOPE despite their admitted mistakes before God, God is using amnesty as a source of encouragement for them to reform and make the world a better and more loving place.
G: Seriously V, look at the world and its ugly history. The wars – the tyranny – the greed – the murders – the pain. That’s the reality of this insane God’s pre-destined, super-sick, amnesty / salvation agenda. There is no supernatural God to sacrifice to. There is only a ridiculous, irrational belief in sacrificing to this fictitious God.
V: God is showing the benefits of mercy in this opportunity, that mercy given to the deserving is very productive in bringing about the good of all.
G: About 1 out of 130 US mostly Judeo-Christian citizens are in the prison system. That’s a higher percentage than any other nation on planet Earth. That best describes the “benefits” of God’s opportunistic mercy. It has NOT and does NOT work – does it?
V: Now if any sinner thought he had gone beyond God’s ability to forgive, then that sinner would not only be unmotivated to reform, but also the world would be diminished as a result of not having one more person become a starlight of goodness in the world.
G: Again, the criteria of Christians being “better” does NOT exist in reality.
V: We cannot therefore imagine there is a limit to Jesus ability to settle the account of a sinner, no matter how bad his conduct had been. Jesus didn’t take the punishments of such severity for mankind, just so that it wouldn’t work.
G: Jesus and God’s batting averages are very low, V. Atheists are no more evil than the believers. “I believe” means “I don’t know” 100% of the time. Most Atheists don’t believe as we prefer to know. If something is not worth knowing, I’m not much interested.
V: This very point of trust is where we actually place faith in Jesus and say in our guilty ridden heart, Jesus can save me and it will work. Jesus does not lie and Jesus can be trusted to come through for me. This is the faith we must have and the hope we promote to sinners.
G: Matthew 9:18-25 While Jesus spoke, there came a certain ruler who worshipped him, saying, my daughter is dead, but come and lay thy hand upon her, and she shall live. Jesus said the maid is not dead, but sleepeth. They laughed at him. Jesus went in, took her by the hand, and the maid arose.
If the ruler’s daughter was dead, then, Jesus lied. If she was not dead, then Jesus performed no miracle. C. Dennis McKinsey
Matthew 10:5-6 Jesus said: Go not into the way of the pagan (Catholic) gentiles (KJV), but go rather to the lost sheep of the house of Israel.
What? Jesus loves Jews more than others? Did Jesus lie?
Matthew 12:40 The Son of Man (Jesus) will be three days and three nights in the heart of the Earth.
Was Jesus actually put in the heart of the Earth? How can “Good Friday” afternoon to before sunrise Sunday morning qualify for 3 days and 3 nights? Did Jesus lie?
Luke 19:27 Jesus said: But My enemies, who would not have Me reign over them, bring them before Me and slay them.
If the no-name King Jesus referred to in his parable is Himself, did Jesus lie?
If you don’t accept Jesus you will suffer Eternal Torment is the parallel teaching.
Revelation 2:23 Jesus (The Son of Man) said: I will also kill her children… KJV
Did Jesus lie here in Rev 2:23? Mark 10:18 Jesus said: Why do you call Me good. No one is good but God alone.
Did Jesus lie about himself not being good?
Luke 10:19-20 Jesus said: I have given you the power to tread on serpents and scorpions and upon the full force of the enemy and nothing will hurt you.
Did Jesus lie?
Mark 10:26-27 Who can be saved? Jesus said: For human-beings, it is impossible…
Obviously, all Christian believers believe Jesus to be a liar here – as they try to convert you.
Mark 16:15 Preach the gospel to every creature…
Does this qualify to be a lie?
John 3:13 Jesus said: No one has gone up to Heaven except the One who has come down from Heaven, The Son of Man.
But, when Jesus said this, Jesus, Himself, had not yet gone up to Heaven. If Jesus, Himself, is the only one to have gone up to Heaven, doesn’t that contradict and eliminate Enoch’s going up to Heaven in Genesis 5:22-24 and Elijah’s going up to Heaven in a whirlwind in II Kings 2:11 and Angels going up and down, to and from Heaven on “Jacob’s Ladder” in Genesis 28:12? So, did Jesus Christ utter a falsehood here? Did Jesus get caught in documenting another lie?
John 4:22 Jesus said: You people worship what you do not understand. We worship what we understand, because salvation is of the Jews. KJV
What? Salvation is a racial thing? Didn’t Jesus make a racial statement? Or, did Jesus lie?
John 5:21-22 As God raises the dead and gives life, so does the Son give life to whomever He wishes. Nor does God judge anyone, but He has given all judgment to His Son.
God judges no one? Did Jesus lie?
John 8:15 & 12:47 Jesus said: I judge no man. KJV
Which lie do you prefer?
John 5:34 Jesus said: I do not accept testimony from a human being… Catholic
If you pray to Jesus, then you must judge that Jesus lied about not accepting human testimony.
Matthew 5:29 Jesus said: If your right eye causes you to sin, tear it out, throw it away.
Did Jesus lie?
John 5:31 Jesus said: If I bear witness of Myself, My witness is not true. KJV
Does Jesus admit to being a liar?
John 5:41 Jesus said: I do not accept human praise… Catholic
Why would you praise Jesus Christ unless you view that Jesus lied about not accepting human praise?
John 5:45 Jesus said: I will not accuse you. The one who will accuse you is Moses…
Is there an honest, truthful Christian who would say that Jesus lied about this? Would you, V?
You said, Sir V: “Jesus does not lie and Jesus can be trusted to come through for me.” Do you now still hold to that claim?
V: You know the woman who was the plaintiff in Roe vs Wade, which made it legal to get abortions? I forget her real name, but at any rate she became a Christian and accepted Jesus as her savior. Even though she was facing the just punishments of so many millions of innocent deaths, Jesus took that punishment for her.
G: Because you now know that Jesus is documented Bible C&V to have lied about things, are you using questionable dogma to support your claim?
V: She stated that after she renounced her past, that she felt the weight of the world lift off her shoulders. Not only that there was joy in heaven and among those Christians who accepted her as a reinvented soul.
G: Come on, V. There is no way you could KNOW that. You can believe, visualize and fantasize that you can walk through walls. You absolutely KNOW that does not make it so. Here’s the kicker – if it is not so, it is a lie.
V: The world has become a better place because one more person has adorned themselves with the light of goodness. So you see that condemnation of evil is not the actual quest of the Christian message, but the offering of hope to sinners and the propagation of goodness in the world through the offering of HOPE and Salvation.
G: V, with all due respect, you are preaching and preachers are such great liars.
V: For the world to actually become a better place, the sinner needs to recognize his mistakes and turn away from them. This is why Christianity focuses on sin in the sinner and calls him to repentance.
G: But, in reality, it is all based on lies – and, it does not work.
V: Then he needs the Hope of forgiveness so that he will be encouraged to continue on his quest of being an agent of goodness. This is where Jesus comes in for the sinner. In all respects it is a consistent and inter-working message of repentance and forgiveness toward the goal of filling the earth with those who exhibit and extend the love of God toward all humanity.
G: You can debate me, V – but, do NOT preach to me!
Gary: Eternal Torment is a misrepresentation?
Vatic: Gary, if we are to trust the words attributed to Jesus, and I think in this case we can, then it is patent that Jesus spoke of various degrees of punishments for sinners according to the severity of their offense. He spoke of “Greater condemnation”, “Lesser condemnation”, “required more stripes”, “required fewer stripes”, etc etc.. So yes, it is a misrepresentation of God to suggest a person who sinned little will be dealt the same punishments as those who did great offenses. God is just and we must trust that basic principle. Nevertheless we see from punishment examples, that it is severe and includes mortality. This is why even the mildest sinner needs salvation in order to repeal, if nothing more than his mortality, and thus be raised to eternal life as Jesus was.
I personally have no desire to share Eternity with those lying, deceiving, tyrannical characters not the clergy / believers who promote them.
BTW Gary, in reviewing my own responses to you, I saw I was just as guilty of digressions from the topic as I stated you were. So if you would, by virtue of this admission, please excuse me.
G: No sweat, V. V: As you see, I did refocus on the topic and left the asides for other times. And as promised, I did get back to you on your message and I hope you will acknowledge that, and believe it, now that you have seen it, even though you might think it out of character for a Christian to do such, as you stated.
Gary: Thanks for your response to my column, I really appreciate it.
Hi TF. Thank you for your kind and thoughtful reply. I’ll share it with our panels.
Concerning your inquiry, I’m only going to give you one example of God doing something good for someone without hurting anyone else, because if this example doesn’t satisfy you then nothing ever will. The verse I’ll give you (one of many that could be cited which focus on the glorious sacrifice of the Cross) is John 3:16: “For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life.”
G: The challenge was for a Bible C&V verse that proved God did something “good” for someone without hurting someone else. Unless Jesus Christ stepped out of his human body into His “transfigured body” as described @ http://WWW.thegodmurders.Com/id113.HTML then Jesus Christ was hurt – which (God’s agenda aside) certainly fails the challenge.
By this one sacrifice, God has done, is doing and will continue doing ETERNAL GOOD to untold hundreds of millions of people around the world, myself included, by blessing us with the gift of eternal life and innumerable other blessings that go with it.
G: Some claim that Jesus brought Hell into the fate of humanity. If carried out as documented, that will hurt millions for eternity following “Judgment-Day”. With “Eternal-Torment” the punishment cannot fit the crime. Ezekiel 28 displays that we perish while John’s Revelation displays the more clergy-favored “Eternal-Torment”. The salvation by Jesus comes by the blackmail and extortion of total obedience to God – or else. If you claim this to be “good”, you have to admit many who don’t make it will be hurt for eternity because of God’s “good” Eternal-Torment agenda. What if you found out that you were confused about your “salvation” and you didn’t make it?
Now, you may say that God had to hurt Jesus by doing this, but that would show a supreme lack of understanding of biblical truth.
G: Are you saying that the “truth” is Jesus Christ was not hurt? Are you sure we are understanding the defining of “truth” here?
God’s Word consistently teaches that Jesus IS God (one verse: “In the beginning was the Word [Jesus], and the Word was with God, and the Word was God,” John 1:1). So God essentially sacrificed (hurt) Himself — and only Himself — by setting aside His glory as the Second Person of the Triune God and lowering Himself to take on human flesh and carrying out this one immeasurable, incomprehensible act of goodness.
G: If Jesus is God, we are reflecting on a severe case of masochism. No wonder the Biblical God can inflict Eternal-Torment on human beings as He inflicted anguished pain on Himself. This might be a case of: “Do onto others what you have willingly done unto yourself. I have hurt myself – so, I am entitled to hurt you too. I, God, survived my few hours of torment – but, in your case, you will be in torment for eternity. In My “perfect” value system, that is obviously fair – because, I say it’s fair. You shalt worship Me, love Me, serve Me, obey Me and repent to Me constantly during your lifetime so I may select you to worship Me, love Me, serve Me, and obey Me for eternity.
I must also say that your reasoning regarding barren women in the Bible is completely flawed. Again, as I pointed out in my column, if you’re going to debunk Christianity then you have to do it according to its own claims (specifically, the immutable truth of God’s Word, the Holy Bible).
G: TF, Bible C&Vs are the sources I used – and always use. What can be more the truth than the “Holy” Bible C&Vs I used. You do believe those Bible C&Vs – don’t you?
God’s Word clearly reveals that all of the pain, suffering and death that the world has ever known was caused not by God, but by man.
G: The builder / creator has no responsibility for what He builds / creates? Some just can’t be blinded with that “logic”.
God created the world in perfection but man rebelled and in so doing brought sin into the world, and with it all pain, suffering (including barrenness) and death.
G: Obviously, God built man with a rebellious gene. You really can’t have it both ways in reality. Of course faith / fantasy does say and does claim much that reality can’t concur with.
God is now in the process of undoing OUR damage, and that’s why Romans tells us even the created world awaits redemption (restoration) at His return. Thus, God did good to every one of those women when He blessed them with children;
G: God’s agenda was to make those poor, miserable, begging women barren in the first place. By the way, God id the most miserable Character in the entire Bible. Can you think of one depicted to be more miserable throughout?
He did good to Lazarus when He raised Him from the dead;
G: Only to die again.
He did good to every person He cleansed of leprosy, healed of blindness and diseases, and so on.
G: Jesus refused a non-Jewish woman to heal her daughter. His dialog was racist and He even referred to them as dogs.
Matthew 15:22-28 A Canaanite woman asked Jesus to heal her daughter. Jesus ignored her. His disciples asked Jesus to send her away. Jesus replied that He was only sent to the lost sheep of Israel. Jesus then said: It is not right to take the food of the children and throw it to the dogs. She appealed to Jesus: Please Lord, even the dogs eat the scraps that fall from their master’s table. Jesus healed her daughter.
What? Did Jesus, in Matthew 15:26-27, refer to this woman and her poor, sick daughter as “dogs”? Jesus rejected the woman because she wasn’t Jewish. Then, after the woman groveled like a dog, Jesus healed her daughter. Does this documented model of Jesus require all, or at least some of us, to beg Him to save us like groveling, begging dogs?
What defines the characteristics of a name-calling racist? Weren’t Jesus’ initial comments to her those of a stubborn, name-calling racist? How did Jesus respond to the woman before she outright begged Him? Are there self-admitted Christians who are stubborn, name-calling racists? Does this Jesus model inspire Christian racism? I’ll bet that today if Don Imus or any on-camera politician said that to a poor woman and her sick daughter, they would be publicly condemned to be a name-calling racists.
He did good to Daniel when Daniel was thrown into the lions den by an evil king and God shut the mouths of the lions,
G: God’s set up that agenda to show His power to all involved. This same God arranged for 42 children to be torn-apart by two she-bears. II Kings 2:23-24
He did good to Joseph when Joseph was sold into slavery by his brothers and imprisoned by a false accusation but God raised him up to the right hand of the Egyptian ruler and used him to preserve the people of that day,
G: God’s agenda was for Joseph to suffer prison for years (that hurts) and then everybody suffered famine before any good came out of it for God’s chosen. That along with the killing of Egypt’s firstborn later was all just to let everybody know who was God around there.
He did good to Abraham when He fulfilled the promise of Isaac’s birth supernaturally (long after Sarah was of child-bearing age), and on and on and on, all without hurting anyone at all in any way.
G: Putting a knife to Isaac’s throat before being pulled off by an interceding Angel is first-degree child-abuse. There is no mention of any more dialog between Isaac and Abraham or between Sarah and Abraham after that heinous incident. They both probably had enough of good old Abe.
My question to you is: How was God able to write so much of human history in advance in the pages of the Bible, by hundreds and often thousands of years, and reveal so many scientific and other truths in Scripture long before these truths were “discovered” by man? For more on this, read a couple other columns I wrote:
From:Gary DeVaney Date: 12/16/2007 5:38:04 PM To: T F Subject: Gary’s response to T
Gary: As a general rule, I don’t debate the Bible because I know the rejection of God’s truth is always willful rejection.
Hi T. Thanks for responding. I’ll share it with our panels. Let me say that most believers don’t debate specific Bible C&Vs because they can not. My Christian conversion link on the topic (the Christian breaking of free-wills) is located @
Christian believers will avoid the specific C&Vs taken issue with every excuse imaginable. That’s normal – and I now, unfortunately, expect it. After 25 years of hopeful debate, Christians always leave me wanting – but, I’ve politely gotten used to it. They just will not debate nor address my selected C&Vs. Those Bible C&Vs are God’s word. As an experienced columnist, you may be able to explain why that is always the case to everyone. If what I say by taking specific issue is incorrect, what is the specific correction? They don’t offer one. Instead they offer threats and condemnation. Why?
T: God has revealed His truth to mankind through the unseen proof (the inner knowledge of His existence, or conscience) and the seen proof (the created world), see Romans 1:18-21, in addition of course to the eternal proof (God’s Word, the Holy Bible).
G: “God revealed His unseen truth”. LOL! I luv that! Again, What we do get back is a dose of threats from believers. They don’t even try to debate our Bible C&V selections. What is usual are threats and promises of Eternal Torment if we don’t break our “free-wills” and obey God and Christian dogma. Let’s see what your C&V selection says. Romans 1:18-21: “For the wrath of God is revealed from Heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men who hold the truth of unrighteousness.” “There is no excuse for them not to be known.” Sorry, TF, but again, this C&V example did not debate or address any specific C&V that I have taken issue with. Your C&V just contributed to the threat tradition. It could be used to curtail the exposure of any one of a thousand controversial C&Vs that my web site has posted. It qualifies as argumentative for control purposes (designed to stop your opponent from doing what he is doing) rather than debating the topic taken issue with. Because I do not obey this God’s heinous commandments, these threats that are issued by the authoritative believer are questionable as to their relevancy to the Bible C&V that was taken issue with.
T: Now, man in his depraved state will reject these proofs and can even deaden his own conscience, as Scripture tells us, through the continual rejection of God’s Word and spurning of the Holy Spirit as He convicts and woos him.
G: I don’t reject “God’s word”. I deal with “God’s word”, C&V. I specifically take issue with “God’s word” as “God’s word” is written, C&V.
T: But the proofs have been given, and as such an unbeliever’s problem is not the ones you present (intellectual); rather, they are rooted in man’s sin nature (moral).
G:I just select and expose Bible C&Vs that put the Biblical God in an evil light. The Bible displays these C&Vs. I did not write those Bible C&Vs and I am not responsible for what those Bible C&Vs say. I am not responsible for how believers feel about what the Bible documents, C&V. Why believers promote those C&Vs and how believers defend them is what is debatable. They just will not address them. So, why do believers prove to avoid selected portions of “God’s word” if they truly believe in God’s word? Not me. They only demand for dumb-down obedience. Tom, I don’t do obedience to the Biblical “God’s word” – and neither do you. I’ll prove it too you. I am confident that you have not killed any girls who are not virgins, disobedient sons, gay men or people who work on the Sabbath. These are selections of God’s 613 Old Testament commandments. Aren’t they? Ask any Rabbi. Neither you nor I have obeyed these Biblical “God’s word” commandments – have we? You might. I won’t. My set of morals are better and more moral than the Biblical God’s morals prove to be. So are yours – if you have the courage to be honest. Can you see how different and better your morals are than God’s “Kill every man, woman and child” morals?
T: As Jesus taught, men love darkness and so they reject the Light of Truth, pretending they’re doing it (and perhaps in some cases thinking they’re doing so) on the basis of science and/or reason but never really. And that leads to the next verse in Romans: “Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools” by hardening their hearts to God’s eternal truth and love.
G: Do I not also expose the “LIGHT” by exposing Bible C&V? Are you admitting that the Bible has a DARK side? Wise or foolish – God and believers don’t care if there is a dark side. They only want my obedience. They demand that I love God – or else. Due to the Biblical God’s heinous rap-sheet, I will give neither love nor obedience to this God. What’s a believer going to do other than condemn me for my honest C&V exposure and my logical conclusions concerning those C&Vs. They protect this murderous God as Hitler, Stalin, Napoleon, Pol Pot and George W. Bush have been and are protected by blind, mind-set believers concerning their murderous deeds. They all lied to the world about their agendas. And conditioned believers are the best targets for successful liars – aren’t they?
T: You have obviously considered God’s Word and clearly rejected it, so all I can do is pray that God will by His Spirit bring you to the knowledge of the truth and, more importantly, bring you to the place where you will TRULY be open to receiving it. Indeed, I have been praying for you and will continue to do so.
G: Praying is obeying, T. And, personally, I would never tell this angry God, real or not, how to do His business by praying to Him.
T: You’re obviously not at that point as of yet so I don’t expect any response I give or argument I make to satisfy you — they will only lead to more challenges.
G: Tom, typically I took issue with specific Bible C&Vs / God’s word. Typically, you have not addressed one C&V that I took issue with. Believers just cannot debate or successfully defend their own God’s word. Interesting, but hard to admit, isn’t it?
T: Nevertheless, I have responded to some of your questions here.
G: But you preached rather than debated the Bible C&Vs that I took issue with. Didn’t you? You have a column. You should have the skills and tools to debate Bible C&Vs with skeptics and critics – shouldn’t you?
T: Sorry, but your Bible oddities with Jesus impregnating His earthly mother (even YOU don’t believe that’s an accurate description of the supernatural work God did with Mary detailed in the Bible, having nothing to do with the human sex act but rather a creative miracle leading to conception),
G: No, you are absolutely correct. I don’t believe in the Trinity – but if a believer claims that Jesus Christ is the Holy Spirit and that the Holy Spirit impregnated Mary, you can not determine one factor to be true without determining the other factor to be true. Can you?
T: “love thy enemy”/eternal punishment (personal ethics Jesus taught believers, or how men should treat other men, as opposed to God’s righteous judgment of all mankind) and the like can’t be taken seriously.
G: Which of these do you view cannot be taken seriously? Which of these C&Vs do you view does not qualify as “God’s word”? Do you confess to be a non-believer here? Or, do you pick and choose what is God’s word by Bible C&V and what is not? If I were a believer, I’d worry about doing that.
T: These and many other similar arguments have been made over and over again, and somehow the answers never seem to suffice.
G: Never-the-less. I select specific controversial Bible C&V issues. The believer then just preaches something irrelevant to the C&V taken issue with, threatens and condemns his opponent, then usually claims some sort of victory and departs. If God were constantly defended that way in court, a proper judge would soon find the “defense” to be in contempt of court.
T: Nor will they for unbelievers apart from the Holy Spirit’s intervention and an individual’s willingness to open himself to truth.
G: The Holy Spirit doesn’t seem to successfully help believers in these debates.
Your input and participation is always welcome, TF.
Regards,
Gary DeVaney
Debate with PT
by Gary DeVaney
Gary had written: A believer cannot question what he believes. If he did, he would prove not to believe. So, once committed to belief, the power for the believer to question God or the Bible is gone.
PT wrote: Or maybe it’s because of the Holy Spirit. Maybe you should look at the passages and really think about what it’s saying.
G: What Holy Spirit? “Thought” is the most supernatural or spiritual quality that human beings have. Outside of “thought” (imagination / memory / creativity), there’s no evidence of any Holy Spirit or any thing else that can be considered “supernatural”. Produce some thing that you identify to be “supernatural”. In reality, you can not and you will not. You too can walk trough walls – in your imagination, only.
PT: To me it appears as though your site appeals to emotion too much…
G: “Emotions” (do wants / don’t wants and their intensities) are covered on “The Authority Addiction” page @
Emotions assist thoughts to be remembered. If you attach a feeling to a thought with some emotional intensity, chances are, memory will take place. Conversely, if you don’t attach a feeling to a thought, with some intensity, memory probably will not take place.
PT: …it’s as if you want to find something wrong with God.
G: LOL! I see that not much gets past you. Did you browse “The God Murders” and “God’s Evil Deeds” to figure that out?
G: In reality, should you or I or anyone else, fight to live, we do not give God permission to take our lives – do we? In fact, if someone is terminally ill and struggles to survive, isn’t that person actively defying God’s “will” to kill them? If this were true, wouldn’t God consider life-saving doctors and medicine to be evil? Some Christian Scientists have fanatically supported that perspective and have allowed their sick or injured children to die without medical care.
PT: It’s according to God’s divine plan, right now he doesn’t want us to die. So we live and he gives us the ability to make choices of how to live our life. Nonetheless if God thinks that our time is up then our time is up.
G: Yes. However, according to Christian dogma, on “Judgment Day”, if you fail God’s divine test, you will suffer “Eternal Torment”. “Eternal Torment” is an overkill sentence. That sentence certainly does not fit the crime. Even if an person should commit a full life of crime, which nobody does, he or she should not be punished and tormented for all eternity. This God is a tyrant and a monster to have such a “divine plan” put into existence. People, who make other people miserable because they did not live up to their specific expectations, follow this ugly model. And we wonder why people cannot get along and why the world is such a mess.
G: Was Satan ever documented, C&V, to kill anyone in the Bible? Not really. But if you think so, was God behind Satan’s killing them? God didhave Bible documented “Death Angels” that He used to murder masses of human beings.
PT: It’s in the book of Job. Yeah, I guess you could say that God was behind it, nonetheless you just wanted a time when Satan kills right? You should be aware he killed many people spiritually.
G: Where does the Bible document, C&V, that Satan killed people spiritually? God was guilty and God would be tried for the murders of Job’s children and servants. Again, those murders fulfilled God’s agenda to show Satan Who was right and who was wrong. Satan, and the other “Death Angels” never did any murdering, as documented Bible C&V, on their own – did they?
PT: This will take a while to explain…
G: I will devote some time.
PT: God created Adam and Eve in His image. This means that they were not created as automatons, but had free will.
G: If you tempt an innocent child with candy, how much “free-will” does the infant have? If just one human being on Earth truly has “free-will”, God is not in control. If God does not change, as Biblically documented, then God, Himself, has no free-will.
(God does change often. The Bible lies.)
PT: He created them therefore, with the ability to follow Him, or not to.
G: Hummm, did you just allude that God created us with the ability to not obey? And then, God gives us “Eternal Torment” if we choose not to obey? That is a totally insane agenda! Even 1/3rd of the Angels in Heaven didn’t follow or obey God. Obviously, this God isn’t well liked by many in Heaven or on Earth.
PT: What good would it be, if God created us as automatons, programmed to follow God, and to never stray from that program?
G: What? What good would it be? That would save billions of souls from Eternal Torment. Would that be good in your value system? That some souls don’t follow God and are given the sentence of Eternal Torment does seem to fulfill “God’s pleasure”. That is the reality, according to scripture, isn’t it?
PT: Could we then really love God? No. Our love would not be authentic. BUT, God created us with the choice.
G: God is the most miserable, tyrannical, jealous, murderous and angry character in the entire Bible. Can you name any other Biblical character who is more so? Knowing what this God has done, anyone who would passionately love, promote, support and finance a character like this God is insane. They are certainly afraid that this God will send them into Eternal Torment if they don’t. I personally choose to not be around this character, groveling, worshipping and serving Him for eternity – singing His praises minute after minute. Noooooo, thank you.
PT: Same with Adam and Eve. They were created without iniquity, as Satan once was. However, they had free-will, which meant, they could stop fellowshipping with God, whenever they wanted.
G: If an inventor builds something that doesn’t work right, it is the inventor’s fault – isn’t it? How can you correctly blame the thing that he or she invented?
PT: When Satan, and later, Adam and Eve choose to worship themselves, (When did they ever do that?) instead of the one true ever-loving God, they created iniquity within themselves. God created Satan, Adam, and Eve without iniquity, but, since they had free will, they had the ability to create iniquity within themselves, through their decisions. This is what happened.
G: Ergo, God was a flawed Creator to allow such a flaw. Check out my page: “Samantha” @
G: Jesus claimed not to change a jot of the Hebrew scripture – although He was guilty of it. That’s on the “Jesus’ Sins” page.
PT: Are you talking about Matthew 5:17? Because Jesus only spoke about certain laws. The laws in the Old Testament can be divided into three parts. The moral and civil parts were specific for Israel and for a certain time. Jesus refers here to the moral law, i.e. the Ten Commandments, which is given to us all, and lasts till the end of time.
G: Ask any Rabbi (“The O.T. is the book of the Jew’s that Christians believe in” – according to comedian Lewis Black) and the Rabbi will instruct you that there are 613 commandments in the Torah. Obeying some of those commandments will land you on death row – like – the Bible commands you to kill gay men, sons that disobey and non-virgin girls.
PT: On if the earth will last forever, Jesus doesn’t say here if the earth will pass or not. He only says that no jot or tittle shall pass from the law until the earth has passed. Jesus doesn’t make a claim here about any passing of the earth or not. Just that the law will last as long as the earth will.
G: Sorry – this is a little confusing. The Bible states: Heaven and Earth shall pass away…
G: There are Bible C&Vs that indicate God created evil.
PT: God did not create evil directly. Here’s an example: You have a child. The child grows up, and has a child. Did you procreate your child’s child? Of course not. However, your child’s child would not have been in existence, without you having your child. So, indirectly, you procreated your grandchild. This is how God created evil.
G: Ah, the working of inventive minds. God created Adam and Eve – who did not obey God. God had to view Adam and Eve as His human children and His first-generation evil. God judges what He considers to be evil and sends souls to Hell for eternity based on his tyrannical, egocentric value system. God’s murderous deeds, in the Bible, prove that God has a murderous value system. Any love for this God, if He is totally known and understood, has to be based on fear. If believers love this God because He murders people and torments their souls for eternity – then, those believers prove to be insane.
PT: God created Satan, who in the beginning had no iniquity in him, until Satan used his God given free will to become evil. So, God created Satan, who at the beginning had no evil, but then Satan created evil within. God indirectly created evil.
G: If the serpent in the Garden of Eden was Satan, then, God put this evil “Satan” in the Garden with His newly created Adam and Eve – didn’t He? What did this all-knowing, loving God know, expect or predict would happen? Yet, if this God is all-knowing, this God would torment souls forever for things He already knew were going to happen. Based on this Biblical scenario, either the Biblical God is a moron or God is a monster. Either way, believers claim to love this heinous entity – fictitious or not. If all-knowing God knew that Adam and Eve would fail, why did God create them? If God didn’t know that Adam and Eve would fail, God is not all-knowing. Specifically, if God did know, God proves to be a monster.
PT: However, you also have to see the context surrounding the word evil, when mentioned in the Bible. Often ‘evil’ just means negativity, punishment, anger, etc. At some points in the Bible, God is said to have those reactions to certain sins His people did.
G: Did God ever react to the sins His people did? God made His “chosen people” slaughter other people so to steal their lands and when they didn’t totally obey, God had them defeated and taken into slavery. Where do I sign up!
PT: The modern bible is not inerrant. Why do you think it is? Why does it matter so much?
G: LOL! Why does it matter so much? Because believers believe in the Bible. They support it and promote it. Could that be why it matters so much? Anyone can go to C. Dennis McKinsey’s “Biblical Errancy” web site to see all the Biblical errors @
G: Obedience is the reason God punishes and murders people. We all agree to that. Enemy combatants in Iraq refuse to obey Bush – so he kills them. Doesn’t make it right, does it? This has been humanity’s legacy due to this murderous God model.
PT: There’s a big difference between Bush and God. God knows people’s hearts, gave them a few chances to change, and he has to deal with people who make human sacrifices for false Gods.
G: God obviously did NOT know the hearts of Adam and Eve – did He? If God truly knew the hearts of Adam and Eve, He set them up for their fall. Didn’t He? Then God punished all humanity throughout history for being sinful – because of Adam and Eve? What a God!
Here are a couple examples from the Ezekiel page:
Ezekiel 20:8-41 God said: (Israel) rebelled against Me and refused to listen to Me. They did not abandon the idols of Egypt. I gave them My statutes and Ordinances. They rebelled against Me. I thought to put an end to them. I swore not to bring them to the land I had given them. But, I looked at them with pity not wanting to destroy them. But, their children rebelled against Me.
PT: I wish I knew which version of the bible you were using and where exactly to read this but anyway I think you’re talking about Ezekiel 20:26.
Ezekiel 20:26 I let them become defiled through their gifts–the sacrifice of every firstborn –that I might fill them with horror so they would know that I am the LORD.
But this is not a case of endorsing human sacrifice, but a case of God giving rebellious peoples what they want and deserve by giving them their “freedom”.
G: God said here: I let them …. sacrifice their firstborn, didn’t He? Do you think that the innocent first-born babies appreciated the fact that their loving God gave their parents the freedom to sacrifice them?
Regards,
Gary DeVaney
Debate with Pastor Thor
by Gary DeVaney
Gary DeVaney: Hi Pastor Thor. I didn’t share all our exchanges but I will share this exchange with all our panel-members.
THOR: Thank you.
G: I take issue with Jesus in Luke 19:27 “And, as for those who would not have Me be King over them, bring them before Me and slay them.” And Revelation 2:23 where Jesus said that He would also kill the harlot’s children. Jesus Christ lost me due to C&Vs like these.
T: If God does the same it is not wrong because He created them, He keeps them in existence for as long as He likes, and when He is done with them for whatever reason or no reason at all, He ends them.
G: Is this your response to Jesus saying: And, as for those who would not have Me be King over them, bring them before Me and slay them? And that Jesus would also kill the Harlot’s children?
THOR: Yes.
G: Wow! Even some of our panel-members try to deny that Jesus referred to Himself in Luke 19:27. You are one stand-up pastor!
G: Parents create children. According to this model, to be God-like, they would have the same murderous right and some insane, God supporting parents have murdered their kids as a result. Some encourage their children to be cannon-fodder in war today. When their child is killed, some have said that they wish they had more children to sacrifice for their insane President and their heinous God. The Judeo-Christian God and the Koran Allah have provided a pretty sick world – don’tcha think? The Judeo-Christian God is the same murderous character as the insane Allah of the Koran. But – you knew that.
THOR: I do not agree that parents create children and therefore with anything you say that follows from that. I’m sorry to disappoint you but I am more ignorant than you realize. I do not know that Allah = God.
G: Yes. Both the Judeo-Christian God and the Allah of Islam are the God of Abraham. Isaac and Ishmael are the Judeo-Christian and the Islamic branches. Abraham is “the father” of all three religions.
T: I agree that the world is sick but I disagree as to the cause. By the way what do you think is the cure to the world’s sickness?
G: I am glad you asked, Pastor Thor! I view the first step is to retire the Bible / Koran and their God / Allah to the Smithsonian Institute Library and like institutions as the primary horrendous models for mankind’s murderous history. All religions should be retired. Humanist philosophy that respects human life should be promoted to influence and establish just laws, ethics and the legal models for humanity. The enforcement of equal, just laws should replace the blackmailing superstition of the past that controls the evil, the bias and the murderous lawmakers of the World today.
T: In fact, without God to reveal to us the possibility of eternal life we would have no idea that death was an evil thing at all. It would just be something we did not like.
G: Jesus brought Hell to His loyal Christians – didn’t He? Nice gift – as the Torah Hebrews had no Hell. The Hebrew’s Torah documentation was fundamentally dust to dust – wasn’t it? Superstition later promoted that a supernatural, all seeing soul-executioner would eternally-torture those who did not subordinate, grovel, worship and kiss buttocks any who assumed a God-fearing position of authority over them.
G: You alluded that death is an evil thing – yet it is God who does all the killing. Logic would figure that the Biblical God is evil to human beings just as Jesus would be if you don’t let Him be your King. Pardon me, Sir Thor, but I personally don’t support or care to be around documented tyrants like that. I am a retired Army officer so I know that old, ancient murderous mind-set and agenda very well. President George W. Bush, who claims that God told him to attack Iraq, has no conscience about the half-million human beings that he has had killed – so far. It is the obedient, submissive mind-set support of God that serves Bush and those like him. The worship of the heinous Biblical God is how President George W. Bush gets away with his illegal murders. Bush breaks international and domestic laws just as the Biblical God constantly broke His Own “sacred laws” throughout the Old Testament. Our Presidents operate as God does by claiming to be above any laws documented. God and other “assumed authorities” are the “sacred models” that prove to be the most “evil” in our World. No “Satan” influences Bush’s evil. In reality, clergy promoted God does it all.
THOR: I do not want to have this theological discussion with you but feel somewhat obligated to continue it, at least for a little while, out of gratitude for your helpfulness and because I did, after all, start it.
G: I know and I don’t blame you. It is difficult dueling with Zorro. (Joke!) You see, Thor, Biblical debate is so much easier for us panel-members – as most of us have no God or anything we view Biblically “sacred” to defend. I personally like your manner as you don’t try to authoritatively talk-down and waste our time by preaching and you do try to address our C&V issues.
T: I feel no obligation whatsoever to discuss politics with you.
G: I know. It really strikes home when one can see a true reason that God and His insane C&V laws are promoted so that Christians will lay down for heinous, God-like presidents to have their way, sacrificing us, without our complaint. Standing up to a U.S. President is almost as blasphemous to most believers as standing up against the Biblical God. God and religion is necessary to create and maintain the subordination of sacrificial soldiers by this ancient and hypnotic vehicle. I know that seeing this agenda is not comfortable for those who promote the agenda – as clergy must. Your job, as clergy, is to promote and maintain this obedient, life-stealing hypnosis. How does it feel to be responsible for and to promote this life-trashing agenda? The wealth of the most successful clergy is well documented. The US government pays well for those successful clergy’s services to brain-wash and subordinate the peasants. Falwell and Robertson, et al, have had incomes and estates that wanna-be clergy would die for. Pastor Thor, have you encouraged anyone to NOT go kill people in Iraq? Did you feel pride and accomplishment when that zealous, young, believing, God-fearing soldier came back in a US flag-draped box? If you could, would you send him or her over to Iraq for a second time – to kill and die again? Would you? What is a decent conscience and do you have one? Explain, please.
T: I did allude to death as an evil thing but you apparently did not notice the context of my comment. The point was that without God to tell us about evil, death would just be an unpleasant fact of life.
G: I understand – and I accept your comment. The thing that God and Jesus, fictional or not, proceeded to do was to introduce Hell so to blackmail their loyal subjects to obey their “fictitious God authority” and evil men’s “assumed authority” in fear of eternal-torment. The “unpleasant fact” of mere death is tough – but it is so much easier to deal with than the heinous model of eternal-torment. Wouldn’t you agree?
T: While we do now have an idea that death is evil, it is really only evil by association. Death is the consequence of our own evil it is not in, and of itself, evil.
G: You just again described the core and blackmail of the God / obedience game.
T: These issues fit into my category of “the old problem of evil.” I believe you already know that. I’m seeking to discover new categories, not engage in endless debate.
G: My 25 years of developing and debating “The God Murders” that is on my web site reminds me that these 2 C&V issues concerning Jesus are the ones clergy and layman alike try to avoid most. What new or more important C&V issues can the non-changing Bible produce for you? The C&Vs won’t go away and they don’t change. Most of us, on the panel, view that the Bible says what It means and means what It says. People love to spin them to protect God and try to make the Biblical God look good – but the C&Vs don’t change and stubbornly won’t go away. Knowing what the Biblical God is truly like by His documented C&V deeds, how can anyone with a conscience believe in, support, promote and finance this insane Character – fictional or not?
THOR: I’m sorry. I need some explanation here. What are C&Vs?
G: LOL! Sorry. C&V is Chapter & Verse. C&Vs are what we on the panel focus on, address, and take issue with. If it isn’t a debate on Biblical C&V, most of Dennis’ panel aren’t much interested.
T: It would be great if you could hold this down to just two issues! I gather one is the problem of evil. I’m working on a little paper for ya’ll about that. Maybe I am being dense, but what is the other one again?
G: Gee Thor, I don’t know your 2 issues (oops, 1 was evil) – as my C&V 2 issues of Luke 19:27 and Revelation 2:23 were clearly stated. Evil was not an issue that I initially addressed – except for how assumed and temporary authorities – like insane Presidents – generate illegal and evil deeds through their projected God-fearing behaviors. Again, I view that the historical purpose for God and His superstitious religions is for “assumed authorities” to have their way over superstitious, hypnotized, brainwashed, mind-set and legally blinded human beings. Most of their consciences have died. You have to have a decent conscience to know right from wrong. Would you have Iraq attack the US as the US attacked Iraq, Pastor Thor?
If your answer is yes – you are insane. If your answer is no – we, the USA, are wrong.
T: If you are not responding to my request for help what is your motive in responding to me?
G: A panel that I participate on is with my good friend C. Dennis McKinsey. His 2 books are the best on Earth, to my knowledge, to point out Biblical errors, inconstancies and contradictions. Judeo-Christian clergy would be well-equipped to have the knowledge those books contain. Although, I view that most clergy would no longer be clergy if they truly learned the C&V content of those books. I’ve been watching your mostly “on topic” responses to Dennis and other panel members. Hang in with us Pastor Thor as you are more interesting, courteous, courageous and “on topic” than most clergy who address us. Most clergy just preach, threaten, condemn, and then cut and run. You have not done much of that. I sincerely congratulate you for that.
THOR: I am chagrined that your flattery actually works with me. I’ll hang a bit longer. If you are not going to explain your motives or goals can you give me some idea how to recognize the end of this debate?
G: Sir Thor, we, on the panel, are not bad or evil people. I’ve personally never spent a night in jail. Most of us truly appreciate your debate and your time. We are on a crusade for the truth of what the Bible C&Vs (Chapters & Verses) honestly and actually say and what they mean as written.
You, in good conscience, can’t fault us for that – can you Pastor Thor?
Thor: You eviscerated my apology to someone else. What am I supposed to think?
G: You admitted to “sarcasm” when honest debate concerning serious subjects (charges against the Bible and its God) is requested.
T: What questions have you asked that I did not answer? I do not answer false dichotomies in the form of a “yes” and “no” question whose answer is something other than “yes” or “no.” I do not answer other kinds of loaded questions. I will be not be manipulated into stepping on your verbal land mines.
G: “Verbal land mines”! Then debate is superficial to you. Answering specific questions gets to the bottom line of an issue.
These “land mines” that you attempt to avoid often gets zealous believes to actually admit that they know God creates evil.
Then fewer believers actually admit that they know God really is evil to humanity.
And then, some believers blow-up completely on these “verbal land mines” by admitting that they support, promote and finance this evil God – and some actually become aware that they, as conformed believers, are really evil themselves – and they hope nobody likes it.
Yes, Sir Thor, these are the ultimate “verbal land mines” that you try to avoid.
Due to your endurance and capacity in debating the panel, Sir Thor, I view you are exceptional.
T: I do not wear white armor. I do not believe I am responsible for correcting all the wrongs in the world.
G: I claim the Bible is wrong by what is written C&V and you being clergy, it is not obvious why you don’t respond to it’s wrongs.
T: I am not responsible for reviewing and correcting the contents of billions of web pages.
G: Then, being a clergy, you are claiming that the Bible’s moral, legal and technical wrongs that are taken issue with are not your concern? Why not be honest and tell that to your congregation?
T: I have my own research interests. I can not imagine why you would think It proper to demand that I abandon them in favor of looking at your web site.
G: At this level of debate it’s kinda like “Dueling with Zorro” – isn’t it? Most believers stick their sword in the sand and walk away – after a farewell “Eternal Damnation” threat – that is. Now, do you want to take on The God Murders or have you lost your sword? And, don’t claim that I am angry. I’m not angry. I’m just geared for some specific topics that others seem to back off from. I am not religiously or politically correct. I don’t do obedience and I take issue with bad characters where ever they show up. The air is thin here and I’m somewhat alone – but it’s the level of debate that I’m personally comfortable with. My web site drew 6,882 visitors and 25,992 hits in June. What is posted there C&V must be of some interest. And, like Dennis, my time is limited as I respond to numerous daily inquires.
This panel’s interest is the Bible and its God. Dennis, and I have web sites that take the Bible apart. Typically, as Bart said, you are only interested in topics that support your preaching – not Biblical content.
T: Your web site like your e-mails is full of exegetical and logical fallacies.
G: “Critical explanation / logical fallacies”? Here, again, you make claims that that you don’t produce evidence of. The only thing that is illogical on my web site is the Bible C&Vs that I take apart.
T: When I point them out in our correspondence you neither acknowledge them nor improve.
G: Not so, Sir Thor. Like my response to your statement right here, I address each point you make – whereby you do not.
At the end of each page on my site I ask for corrections and that if something I wrote proved to be in error, I would correct it. You have not once submitted one correction, have you?
T: Why would I want to waste my time on someone who can not or will not learn?
G: Learning does not occur until there is a change of behavior. Are you sure your agenda is to have me “learn” from you or is your agenda to “stop me from doing what I do”. Is your agenda to convert my will to serve this heinous monster / tyrant of a God?
My web site does not major in minor issues. It takes on the issues that prove:
“The Biblical God is not a good God and the Bible is not a good model for humanity.”
It is time for the Bible and its God to be retired to the Smithsonian Institute Library as the worst model in the history of humanity.
Many clergy claim to serve God – but only in an advisory capacity.
To be God’s defense attorney, clergy proves to be virtually unarmed.
Regards, Gary DeVaney
Gary had said:
Hi L. Thanks for your input. It is one of the wisest perspectives I’ve seen to get God off on murder charges. Our President George W. Bush is counting on this kind of defense to clear him of international crimes and mass-murder. According to the Bible, God appointed him, you know. I’ll share this exchange with our panel.
Regards, Gary DeVaney
L asked: Where in the Bible is GWB appointed by “God” ?? This I have to see!
L
Gary’s answer: In the Bible-
Romans 13:1-7 Let every person be subject to governing authorities. God has appointed those who exist in authority. Rulers are only a terror to your bad conduct. Would you have no fear of him who is in authority? Do what is good and you will receive his approval, for he is God’s servant for your own good. If you do wrong, be afraid. He does not wear his weapon for show. He is a servant of God to execute his wrath on the wrong-doer. For the same reason, you must also pay taxes, respect and honor to all who are due.
This is a great Biblical source as to the why and how this wrathful God was created by tyrants. This same Biblical God is still used today as a tool, a weapon to greedily oppress, blackmail, subordinate, manipulate, enslave, and to extort the lives from God-fearing, naïve believers.
Regards,
Gary DeVaney
Hi Gary, We will just have to disagree on what Paul meant in Romans 13.
G: Hi L. Ok.
L: True, none of what happened to Jesus would have happened if the Jews had not arrested him, but that misses the entire point under discussion. My point was that Paul was not in league with the civil rulers of his day (Roman or otherwise) and would not have written Romans 13 regarding them. Civil rulers are not the “ministers” of God.
G: Romans 13:1-7 Let every person be subject to governing authorities. God has appointed those who exist in authority. Rulers are only a terror to your bad conduct.
“Governing authorities” are civil rulers, L. It says:”Those who exist in authority / rulers”. Paul, a Roman citizen and a Benjamite Jew, described Governing authorities and civil rulers here – not Jewish religious leaders or ministers of God.
L: Only God’s called men in the church are that. Even most of them are pretenders. Civil rulers in Rom. 13? Sorry Gary, no way!
G: Again, it appears that we will just have to agree to disagree.
L: I am not sure why you mention “Augustus”, I did not.
G: Correct. I mentioned Augustus. I am participating in an intellectual dialog. I am not subject to an authoritative lecture.
L: I do not know if Augustus was personally responsible for persecuting Christians per se, but Rome did not tolerate any disturbance in the empire and the Christian church was a diametrically opposed organization to the structure of Roman culture and philosophy; I.e. Christians would not worship the emperor, etc…
G: Augustus was the tyrant at the time (like George W. Bush is now) and the Bible says nothing of his participation in Jesus’ crucifixion. He was the over-all governing authority. It says that God has appointed those who exist in authority. Rulers are only a terror to your bad conduct. Ergo, It qualifies. There is no Biblical C&V that says Augustus even knew of Jesus Christ.
L: You ask, “like George Bush?” George seems to be a recurring theme with you. I have never brought him up and I don’t think he is “God’s man” any more that Billy Boy Clinton was. I care not for either and I don’t know why you keep mentioning him. It seems irrelevant to me because (as I said earlier) I think Satan has a lot more to do with civil rulers in this present age than God does (Luke 4:5, 6).
G: Thanks for bringing that up, L. Much, if you’ve noticed, of my site is dedicated to our tyrannical, murderous, god-like President George W. Bush. “Praying is obeying” and George W. Bush wants you and all Christians on your knees begging God for a “sign” so that Bush, an “assumed” authority, can easily step-in and be zealously obeyed by these God-fearing sheeple. So far, it’s worked like a charm for him – hasn’t it?
L: You (Gary) said: “The God of the Bible is NOT a good God and the Bible is NOT a good model for humanity.”
G: I certainly did, Sir L.
L: I might ask a Clinton-like question: “It depends on what the meaning of “good” is.
G: “GOOD”: Beneficial, the right thing to do, “to not do to others what you would not want done to you” – for starters. That’s really a good question, L, because in this “Christian Nation” 1 out of every 137 Christians are incarcerated in the US prison system and, obviously, they did not know the definition of “Good”. L, outside of the “Myth of Creation”, can you list C&V what the Biblical God did “GOOD” for someone without hurting someone else? I’m betting you won’t list anything – or that it would be a short list. Whatcha think?
L: I can only say that if you feel this way it is because you are not on His side and do not have long term view of what God is really doing.
G: Hummm. You suggest that I’m not on the Biblical God’s or George W. Bush’s side. Hummm.
1. I was not on God’s side when He murdered all the first born babies of Egypt – just to let everybody know who was God around there.
2. I was not on God’s side when He ordered the murdering and destruction of scores of cities in order to steal their lands.
3. I was not on God’s side when He marched His {about 3 million} “chosen” (Torah notes) around the desert until they died to punish them for not murdering and stealing for the land that God “promised” them.
4. I am not on George W. Bush’s side when he broke Constitutional law, US law, International law, and the Geneva Convention laws to wage an illegal and immoral pre-emptive war on a country that could not defend itself. Bush did this so to control an area with the largest known world-oil-reserves. That oil is theirs, L – not ours. If the USA can not compete, shame on us. The USA’s action amounts to armed-theft of another country’s goods. If you support that, you are an accomplice. We assume “might makes right” entitlement. That’s seems popular among God-fearing believers. These zealous believers seem deeply committed to a “kill them all” mentality? They claim entitlement and demand not to be disobeyed nor disrespected! Right, L? Sig-heil!
It appears, L, that you side with God and Bush on these listed atrocities. Long term? Look at God’s long murderous history. Look at the future by seeing what George W. Bush has forced the current and immediate US generations to face. Look at what the middle-east now has to face. Would you have killed those 1,000,000 Iraqis, L? Are they bad people and should die just because they don’t believe like you? Do you personally feel “entitled” to what those dying and suffering Iraqis have? Whatcha think, L?
L: Some would say that thrusting a knife into the belly of child is a cruel act perpetrated upon the innocent; others (who know what is really happening) would understand that the surgeon’s scalpel is removing a life threatening tumor from the child’s liver and is ultimately going to save its life.
G: Sell that scenario to the families and loved-ones of the 1,000,000 Iraqis that Bush has murdered and to the millions that he has injured. George W. Bush had Americans do to others what Americans would not want others to do to us. Didn’t he? If your God ordered and approved of this atrocity, your God is as insane as Bush.
L: In regards to God, many atheists (and theists for that matter) are in the first category. I feel you are criticizing something that you do not understand and actually know very little about. That does not necessarily make you a bad person, it does however, make you wrong. It, also, is not altogether your fault if God does not let you in on His secrets, that is up to Him. I do feel your sincerity and I am of the opinion that your beliefs are at least from an honest heart. I also understand that I could be the one who is wrong, but I (like you) am simply voicing my opinion of things the way I see them; nothing more.
G: L, I work with you on what you believe. Everybody learns at their own pace. Believing is always short of knowing. I’m always trying to learn so that I may know – not believe. My web site openly displays what I think, perceive and presume to know. I’ve not written “I believe” once on it. If you find something on my site that is in error, please send in the correction. If the error and its correction proves to be valid, I assure you it will be corrected and you will be sincerely thanked for finding and offering the correction.
Sincerely
L
Regards,
Gary DeVaney
Dear Gary D.,
G: Hi L.
L: I cannot help noticing when reading your e-mails that you are not responding to me but to your own agenda.
G: I almost daily receive e-mails concerning the content of my web site. I am accustomed to responding to any debate on the site’s content – which is my agenda. I have little time for much else.
L: You don’t really seem to be listening, only talking.
G: I try to respond to each point of substance that the write-in posts. Even yours, L.
L: I, like you, am not subject to an authoritative lecture.
G: Good. Because, I try even harder to recognize, analyze and respond to every point you post.
L: If you are an atheist, then obviously you cannot think that “god” appointed GWB.
G: Religious believers respond to the Bible’s concept that: “Our leaders are to be respected and obeyed because God put them there over us.” Of course, that’s not true, nor real – it’s just an another religious, authoritarian belief (and assumption of obedience) that logical, reasonable and realistic people have to put up with. When it comes to believer’s expectations – outside of enforceable civil and criminal laws – I don’t do obedience.
L: I agree with you that God did not appoint “W”, I think I told you who I think is in charge of such things.
G: Satan? There is no evidence that Satan exists any more than does the Biblical God. The Book of Job, chapters 2-3, displays that the (fictitious) Satan character can do no more than what the (fictitious) God character allows him to. Doesn’t it? God said to Satan: You enticed Me against him (Job). God took the “hit” on the murders of Job’s children and servants and what happened to Job. And this was also Biblical C&V evidence that God was enticed / tempted by Satan. These Bible C&Vs, that stubbornly won’t go away, prove that your Biblical God hasn’t got much real character. And, this God / Character judges us? What hypocrisy!
L: In my opinion you are blaming God for the actions of others.
G: Na, the Bible uses C&Vs to explain what specifically God did throughout the Old Testament. You obviously did not absorb or probably did not get through “The God Murders”. It appears that the strongest believers prove to be the weakest when trying to get completely through “The God Murders.”
L: Perhaps you would like things better if Osama bin Laden were in charge.
G: Check out the official FBI wanted poster for Osama bin Laden. He is not wanted for 9-11. How do you account for or explain that, Sir L? After suddenly wanting to research that extremely important claim, when you find it valid, let me know your spin, Sir L.
L: He would love to get his hands on all the atheists and lop off their Allah-disbelieving heads. Ha ha… I am not in love with “W” but your I don’t think he has called for the demise of any significant number of Atheists lately.
G: Granted, in the middle-east and other Islamic countries, I would probably be dead due to my outspoken web site. That may eventually happen here. Come on. Don’t get your hopes up! You’d miss me, L.
L: You said, “That oil is there’s, L – not ours.” Did you mean “That oil is theirs …not ours”?
G: Gasp! Sorry, thanks for the correction. I’m so embarrassed. I have corrected it.
L: And by the way, are we “stealing” their oil? I haven’t heard that and I cannot find any evidence to back up your remark.
G: News flash: The US troops have killed 1,000,000 Iraqis in the conquest and occupation of Iraq. Nothing happens in Iraq’s inter-workings – including its oil industry – without US consent.
L: It looks like to me that the oil coming out of Iraq is being sold by Iraqis and it seems to me that we are trying to give back the country to the people instead of the tyrant.
G: That suggests that the US murdered 1,000,000 Iraqis just to overthrow 1 man. That’s kinda heavy-handed, illegal and immoral politics, isn’t it? Saddam was once our “bastard”- remember? The US gave Saddam all the WMDs that he used on his Kurds and on Iran, didn’t we? “The biggest, little discussed, reason that Saddam was “taken out” was because of the selling of Iraqi oil for Euro-dollars instead of selling Iraq’s oil for US dollars. If Saddam had not done that, he would still be in power today”: “Confessions of an Economic Hit-Man” by John Perkins. (Great book!) This is backed-up by statements made by our former head of the Federal Reserve Bank, Alan Greenspan, and some retired military Generals, officers, enlisted men and retired CIA operatives, who were in “hands-on” positions.
L: Would you feel better if Uncle Saddam were back in power?
G: Yes, because a million Iraqis, a few thousand Americans and some foreign allied troops would still be alive. Bush has killed many more Iraqis and US troops than Saddam. Shouldn’t Bush go? Even General George Patton pissed-off President Harry S. Truman by deciding to leave the Emperor of Japan on the throne after Japan surrendered so to keep Japan politically together. It worked. Patton wisely prevented in post-war Japan the political fiasco that Iraq is going through.
L: I am not sure who the oil belongs to, it seems that in the history of the world that the land belongs to he who can take it.
G: Sorry L – but that is spoken like a true thief.
L: I am not saying that is right,
G: Phew! I’m so glad. You had me worried for a nano-second.
L: I am saying that that is the way that it is, and if there is no God then the only law that exist is the law of the jungle “might makes right”.
G: I wrote a page on “Might Makes Right”: http://WWW.thegodmurders.Com/id101.HTML There’s no sense being redundant on this post when I’ve already done the work.
L: But, I know God exists, therefore I believe that “right makes might” and not the other way around.
G: You still support the Biblical God knowing that He ordered His “Chosen” to murder scores of cities so to steal their land? Sorry L – but that is spoken like one who has the heart of a true murderer and a thief. That’s nothing new. That’s just another example of what believing in the Biblical God does to the true character of believers.
L: As far as the 1st born of the polytheistic Egyptians are concerned, I suppose you would have preferred that they should have been allowed to use the Hebrews as slaves forever! They were murdering, raping, abusing, and using them for centuries.
G: Yes, slavery was condoned by God. Might made right determined as to who served who. Early America brought that Bible / God-approved slave-model to this land. It was the getting away from that God-model that helped eliminate legal slavery in this country.
L: I guess that was OK though. How many of the Hebrew firstborns were killed by the Egyptians? Do you remember why Moses was put into a basket on the Nile?
G: Yep. Always “in-control” God fought evil with more evil. The (evil) Bible orchestrated the Moses story so that God arranged for all those Hebrew children to die. Dare you say that God was NOT in control of these events?
L: I say that if it took God going to war with the Egyptians and if it took killing their firstborn in that war to get Pharaoh to release the Hebrews, then war is war.
G: LOL. You are conveniently forgetting that your “do-right” God forced Pharaoh to disobey him between each and every plague. God “hardened Pahraoh’s heart” / made him disobey – 10 times.
L: At least Pharaoh was warned beforehand and given a choice; that is more than he gave the poor crying Hebrew mothers when his soldiers came to take the firstborn of his slaves. All he would have had to do was to release the Hebrew slaves and he could have spared all his own firstborn. Pharaoh gave no such options to his slaves. He and Egypt got what their slave driving asses deserved.
G: So, what you have proved here is that the Biblical God was just as evil as the earlier Pharaoh. And God took it out on people who had nothing to do with the earlier Pharaoh’s decision to murder those Hebrew children.
L: I assume the “Sig-heil!” was included for prevocational purposes? Pssssst… its not working. Wasn’t Uncle Adolph supposed to be like the “Atheist-in-chief” or something?
G: Sorry. Incorrect again, Sir L. Adolf Hitler was Catholic and most of his speeches included God in much the same way that Bush does. I can send you a few dozen of his speeches for your verification from my computer library – but only if you generate enough desire for the information to request those “God-inspired” speeches.
L: It seems to me I read where he was a vegetarian atheist who couldn’t get it up and that the whole “Eva Braun” thing was just for show.
G: I agree that Hitler was a heinous, evil and a somewhat “unusual” piece of work. So is Bush! But, Bush is our bastard, right? NO! The Bush gang has got to go NOW before he does more damage to the USA and to the world!
L: Let’s see, something “good” God did? Hmmmmmmm… Oh, I’ve got it! He let you live another day.
G: Yes! But, that appears to hurt believers. Next? Something that God did GOOD from God’s diary, the Bible, please.
L: He is verrrry patient…. Ha ha ha… 😉 (now who is provoking who?)
G: Do you have Bible C&V evidence of God being patient?
L: I guess if God doesn’t even exist then there is nothing either good or bad that He has done.
G: As predicted, that’s a pretty short list, L. Are you sure that your God is the Biblical God? That sounds like your defining a human ego more than the Biblical God, concerning patience. Is it your patience that you feel is being tested? The difficulty you feel here is in the Biblical side of our debate, I pretty much stay on Bible C&V to prove my side of the debate – while you are winging it all over the place. But, then again, no believer can debate my selected Bible C&Vs on behalf of God and appear sane.
L: I agree with you 100% that much of the evil in the world can and should be laid at the feet of religion.
G: Amen! And the “God of Abraham” (Koran / Bible) is the foundation of most religious believers on planet Earth. That’s your God, the “God of Abraham”- isn’t it, L? It is also Islam’s Allah.
L: I think that one of the places that we go a parting of the ways is that I do not believe that “God” is responsible for most of “religion”. I think “Old Nick” rules most of that too, unbeknownst to the deists who presume to represent Him. They are no better than the religious Pharisees who crucified their own Messiah.
G: “Old Nick” is not mentioned C&V in any Bible I have. Who is this heinous entity? My friend Bart Floyd once asked: Throughout human history, how many gods have there been? The answer is obvious: “Almost one god for each human ego.” Almost – because Atheists admit to having no god – just an ego.
The Gary DeVaney Version of the Alcoholic 12-Step Program.
This is Gary DeVaney’s 1-12-step counter to AAs 1-12 step program as a result of this question. Is Alcoholics Anonymous just another denomination of the Christian sect? They believe in a higher power / God.
AA Version First. Gary DeVaney’s Version Second
1. We admit that we were powerless over alcohol – that our lives had become unmanageable.
1. I now know that I am addicted to a feeling. I now admit that I have the power to identify and control my genetic feeling(s) that craves alcohol.
2. We came to believe that a Power greater than ourselves could restore us to sanity.
2. I now know that my taking control of my genetic feeling(s) can control my sanity.
3. We make a decision to turn our will and our lives over to the care of God, as we understand Him.
3. I have no evidence of any supernatural God. I now have decided to take charge, identify, isolate and control my damaging, genetic feelings. I now know that as long as I won’t – I can’t.
Talk To Your Feeling-Influenced Ego
4. We make a search and fearless moral inventory of ourselves.
4. I now will identify, isolate, control, re-program and shut-down my genetic feeling(s) that crave alcohol.
Reprogram Your Feelings!
5. We will admit to God, to ourselves and to another Human Being the exact nature of our wrongs.
5. I now accept my responsibility to identify and isolate my addicted, genetic feelings. Through my habit of drinking, I have reinforced those feelings and they have loyaly obeyed my will and my actions. I now will learn and change my will and to change my behavior. I will now command my errant, genetic feeling(s) to stand down.
6. We are entirely ready to have God remove all these defects of character.
6. I now will consciously order my feelings to re-program my ever-evolving genes to shut-down the addicted feeling(s).
Talk To Your Feelings
7. We humbly asked God to remove our shortcomings.
7. I now will consciously re-program and supervise my genes to shut down and control my addicted feeling(s). As long as I will change, I can change.
8. We will make a list of all persons we have harmed and became willing to make amends to them all.
8. I now will no longer allow my genetic feeling(s) to damage myself or another. I now will use my “free-will” to avoid bad consequences that I do not want.
9. We will make direct amends to such people wherever possible, except when to do so would injure them or others.
9. I now will take stock of my addicted genetic feelings and I will shut-down any feelings that damage myself or others. I now control my feelings. My destructive, genetic feelings will no longer control me.
10. We will continue to take personal inventory and when we were wrong promptly admit it.
10. When the destructive, (bad) feeling(s) are triggered, I now will identify, isolate, control, re-program and shut them down. Those feelings are not the boss of me. I now will control my damaging feelings. As the tail does not wag the dog, my damaging feelings will not control me.
Want “Spiritual”? Talk to Your Genes
11. We seek, through prayer and meditation, to improve our conscious contact with God, as we understood Him, praying only for knowledge of His will for us and the power to carry that out.
11. I now am the master of my life. My free-will, my behavior and my feelings are my responsibility. I now own them. I now have learned to be aware. I now constantly take steps to process and take control over any of my own genetic feelings that tend to damage myself or others.
12. Having had a spiritual awakening as the result of these steps, we tried to carry this message to alcoholics, and to practice these principles in all our affairs.
12. As the master of my life, I now can and will learn to control my damaging feelings. I now am now aware of the source and of the cure of my genetic feeling(s) and I now will share the “addiction” message to those who need to control their damaging, genetic feelings. If I seek assistance in this matter, it will be in the form of meditation and therapy – not prayer. To be long-term effective, I now must depend on myself – no god and no coach.
My therapy is my desire to change me to better suit me.
Learning to succeed at controlling that specific “problem child / feeling” that controls me is my break-through therapy. Controlling my problem feeling(s) is the only way that I can or will beat my unwanted addiction.
Unwanted? Yes.
Example: Sex, for me, is not an unwanted addiction. Pass the Viagra, please.
“Attitude”: Outer signs of inner feelings.
I am now aware of the source and of the cure to my genetic feeling(s) and I will share the “addiction” message to those who need to control their damaging, genetic feelings. If I seek assistance in this matter, it will be in the form of meditation and therapy, not prayer.
Let’s, again, look at the Alcoholics Anonymous 12 Step program:
1. We admit that we were powerless over alcohol – that our lives had become unmanageable.
Gary: Let us presume that our “Personal God” is no more than our own genetically created Ego. Our Ego would quit alcohol if our own thoughts directed it to and our own feelings truly wanted to. Repetitive, directed thoughts and feelings may be necessary to command and re-program our Ego.
Your Genetically Created Ego Is Your Personal God
2. We came to believe that a Power greater than ourselves could restore us to sanity.
G: Only our Ego can do that. Any “God” / Authority can demand anything, but our Ego must obey. The Ego’s choices are emotional: do wants / don’t wants. We become addicted not to alcohol but to a feeling that craves alcohol. Other thoughts must organize other feelings to over-ride the feeling we are addicted to. When the feeling we are addicted to weakens, through re-thinking and re-programming, the addiction disappears.
3. We make a decision to turn our will and our lives over to the care of God, as we understand Him.
G: No. Logic and reason must order your teachable Ego to make the necessary changes. Your Ego then is your autopilot commander of your feelings. Only re-programmed thoughts can change your teachable Ego, which in turn, changes your programmed feelings. If you truly want to change, your Ego will change. Your Ego will eventually conform to what you truly decide.
4. Make a search and fearless moral inventory of ourselves.
G: Just order your Ego to re-program to what you truly want. Your Ego will then change to want what you truly want.
5. Admit to God, to ourselves and to another human being the exact nature of our wrongs.
G: No. Not necessary. Ego, like God, operates as if it cannot be wrong. Command your Ego that it was wrong and correct it. Your Ego becomes your autopilot boss of what you decide, program or order it to be.
6. We are entirely ready to have God remove all these defects of character.
G: The right decision is becoming one with your Ego. Only your Ego, no assumed authority called God, will succeed in changing your character. Your Ego filter always picks and chooses what assumed God / Authority it will obey or disobey. Outside of renewed thinking, your programmed Ego always has the final say. Without your Ego, no God can exist to you.
7. Humbly asked God to remove our shortcomings.
G: Treat yourself well and with respect. Your committed decision becomes the boss. Your Ego will obey you if it is sincerely ordered to.
YouDecide / Command Your Ego
8. Make a list of all persons we have harmed, and became willing to make amends to them all.
G: Better yet – command your Ego not to harm anyone – especially yourself. Acknowledge and admit your mistakes to yourself. Your Ego does what your specific thoughts decide on. Do not believe. Know what you are doing and why you are doing it.
9. Make direct amends to such people wherever possible, except when to do so would injure them or others.
G: If you owe someone – make it your Ego’s idea to pay them off. You can’t become angry if it is your idea.
Pay For Your Mistakes
10. Continue to take personal inventory and when we were wrong promptly admit it.
G: Infantile ego, like a cat, normally can not be wrong and it feels no guilt. It blames everything but itself. Acknowledge that your Ego is to become the mature exception. Then, correct it.
11. We seek, through prayer and meditation, to improve our conscious contact with God, as we understood Him, praying only for knowledge of His will for us and the power to carry that out.
G: Understand, accept and talk directly to your Ego. It and only it operates as your God.
Confidence is Knowing What You are Doing and Why You are Doing It
12. Having had a spiritual awakening as the result of these steps, we tried to carry this message to alcoholics, and to practice these principles in all our affairs.
G: Thought is spiritual. Your thoughts and Feelings amount to the authoritative gods that direct your receptive Ego. If you think well thought-out thoughts, which direct your Ego, your Ego will command your feelings to perform safe and beneficial actions.
Those who attend the twelve-step program are expected to renounce any personal responsibility for, or control over, their problem.
G: If one should establish and maintain self-responsibility, his or her Ego will succeed. Your “One-God” and your “One-Ego” are synonymous. When you impose your God on others – you are imposing your Ego on them.
This blatant renunciation of the concept of free-will is also a characteristic of every single other cult I can think of – the individual counts for nothing.
G: Without your Ego, nothing is real, substantial or can relate to you. Every sense you experience goes through your Ego-filter. Your Ego either accepts a god, or any other assumed authority, or it rejects it. Your Ego is all you’ve got. Acknowledge your Ego and accept it. Correct your Ego and with kindness maintain it. Intelligence is categorical. Your Ego is your closest and best friend, or if not corrected, your ego becomes your worst enemy. And, outside your Ego, there is no God in reality.
The Bible Promotes Wine & Strong Drink?
Genesis 27:28 Therefore God give thee of the dew of heaven, and the fatness of the earth, and plenty of corn and wine.
Deuteronomy 14:25-26 …then you shall turn it into money, and bind up the money in your hand, and go to the place which the Lord your God chooses, and spend the money for whatever you desire, oxen, or sheep, or wine or strong drink, whatever your appetite craves…
Proverbs 31:6-7 Give strong drink unto him that is ready to perish, and wine unto those that be of heavy heart. Let him drink and forget his poverty, and remember his misery no more.
Ecclesiastes 9:7 Go thy way, eat thy bread with joy, and drink thy wine with a merry heart; for God now accepteth thy works.
Isaiah 25:6 On this mountain the Lord of hosts will make for all peoples a feast of fat things, a feast of wine….
Isaiah 55:1 Come, buy wine and milk….
Jeremiah 13:12 Thus saith the God of Israel, Every bottle shall be filled with wine… every one who thirsts, come to the waters; and he who has no money come buy and eat!
Jeremiah 25:27 Thus saith the LORD of hosts, the God of Israel; Drink ye, and be drunken, and spue, and fall, and rise no more, because of the sword which I will sens among you.
“Alcohol may be man’s worst enemy, but the bible says love your enemy.” Frank Sinatra
Joel 2:19 Yea, the Lord will answer and say unto his people, Behold, I will send you corn, and wine, and oil, and ye shall be satisfied therewith.
Amos 9:14 I will bring again the captivity of my people of Israel… and they shall plant vineyards, and drink the wine thereof….
1 Timothy 5:23 Drink no longer water, but use a little wine for thy stomach’s sake and thine often infirmities.
Last, but not least:
Matthew 11:19 Jesus came eating and drinking. They said: Look, He (Jesus Christ) is a glutton and a drunkard…
Jesus hereby has a documented and published Biblical Chapter and Verse reputation of being a “drunkard”.
Alcohol Anonymous members ought to love that.
Jesus Christ Was A Glutton & A Drunkard?
Obviously, Jesus did not believe Ephesians 5:18 Be not drunk with wine, wherein is excess; but be filled with the Spirit…
“To practice Christian Conversion amounts to a Vampire’s need to feed.”
The Blackmail / Extortion / Coercion of Religion is:“Be like me – or else!”
Christianity is a constant war between assumed-authority and stand-up free-will. Christianity consists of and projects self-assumed, converted and superior wills that imperialistically and aggressively wage war on what Christians consider to be evil. If you live free and exercise your free-will, Christians will condemn you to be evil – and to not be like them. Almost all religions try to convert you to: Be like me – or else.
Coercion is the practice of forcing another to behave in an involuntary manner by use of threats, rewards, intimidation or some other form of force. In law, coercion is codified as a duress crime. Such actions are used to force a victim to act in the desired way. Coercion may involve the actual infliction of physical pain / injury or psychological harm in order to enhance the credibility of a threat. The threat of further harm may lead to the cooperation or obedience of the person being coerced.
Torture (Eternal Torment) is one of the most extreme examples of coercion.
Practicing Christians demand Conversion by threat of Eternal Torment. For those not “saved” – pain is inflicted for eternity.
What makes Practicing Christians think they have the right to tell others how to live by threat of consequence?
John 15:16 Jesus Christ said: Ye have not chosen me, but I have chosen you…
So, Christians, you do believe this Bible C&V, right? If so, what is all this conversion hassle and nonsense?
A Christian believer attempts to convert an Atheist thinker
Christian: Hi! I am a practicing fundamentalist Christian. You are a sinner. As a Christian, I assume that your salvation is my business. My job is to convert you to Christianity and to break your evil, sinful free-will so that the Holy Spirit can take you over and restrict you to the sacred service of Almighty God.
Your conversion is a Biblically authorized event. As God’s servant, I am authorized, by God, to put tremendous and persistent pressure on you – to conform you – and to convert you to Christianity.
Let me make one thing perfectly clear to you from the beginning: God owns your soul. You do not own your soul. Your soul is God’s. God created your soul for His pleasure and God can do whatever He wants with it.
Right now, you are to repent! You are to change your freedom-loving mind and your sinful life from serving yourself to serving God. You are not being saved for you. Your salvation is not for your benefit. You are being saved for God’s pleasure and you are to serve God for eternity. God gave you free-will test whether you love God more than your free-will. God will judge you to Hell’s Eternal-Torment if you love your free-will more than you love God.
You shall sacrifice your free-will and your life to God starting right now! You shall submit, yield and subordinate your free-will to God’s sacred will, which is also my “converted” will. You shall humbly convert to become a practicing Christian – which is God’s eternal slave and God’s Christian soldier.
I am a practicing, Christian. I am a slave to God. I will explain to you God’s will. My calling is to put extreme and persistent pressure on you, to convert you, to serve my Biblical God with your passion and loyalty throughout your lifetime.
Almighty God shall judge you. If God accepts you based on your works, your repentance, your tithes, your faith and your love, only then may God choose you to serve Him, on His terms, for eternity. If you do not break your stubborn, disobedient, sinful free-will and serve God on His terms, you shall suffer Eternal-Torment. And, rightfully so!
Sin is without consent of God, man and most of all me. I, a saved Christian, wage war on your sin. Your sin is without the consent of God. If your free-will does change and you do choose to give up your sinful life and serve your God, Jesus and the Holy Spirit, I would have righteously broken and converted your sinful free-will. To convert to Christianity, your old, sinful self must die – to be “Born Again” / “Born from Above” and to become “New in the Spirit” – to serve and to love God forever and ever. Praise God!
If you disobey me, in God’s stead, I shall correct you as much as I can and repeatedly threaten Eternal-Torment for your soul. It’s because God loves you, and so do I. When I successfully break your free-will and convert you, you are then to wage war on “sin” and break the free-wills of others, so to convert them and to save their souls. You are to be tireless at this and do it until God calls you into His loving arms. You are to sacrifice who you think you are and become what God and Jesus Christ wants you to be.
You are to sacrifice yourself like Jesus did?
Once I break your free-will to God’s will and to my converted will; then, you shall repent. After you repent, I shall then supervise how you are to live. Once you become responsive to me, you will obey me as you would God. You shall pressure others who display free-will as you find them and supervise those who lose their own free-will and who are receptive and obedient to your new crusade against evil.
Gary DeVaney: Hi, Mr. Christian. So, if you are a Christian and if I am not, do you consider yourself superior to me?
Christian: In the eyes of God – YES! Anyone God chooses to serve Him is superior to the heathen. I, through faith, have become spiritually aware that I am actually one of “God’s elect”. As one of the “elect”, I am of more value to God than the mere “saved”. I was chosen, by God, before the Earth was formed.
Gary: So, do you have “assumed authority” over me? Are you waging war against me to break my will?
Christian: Yes! Praise God! God has given me authority over Satan. I wage war against Satan and you are Satan’s vessel. Satan dwells within you. I shall drive Satan out of you so that Jesus, God and The Holy Spirit can live through you. You, and your sinful nature, are to sacrifice yourself, die to the World and be “Born-Again” / “Born from Above” as a Christian.
Gary: I am a free-thinker and a happy man. You don’t like either of those facts, do you?
Christian: You can only be happy if you are serving God with all your heart and soul.
Gary: So, your job is to steal my soul and my life from me so that I will serve your God? Do you really expect me to agree to that?
Christian: Do I expect you to conform? I demand that you conform, or else, you will go to Hell’s Eternal Torment!
Gary: Is this authoritative agenda you just described what has caused so much destruction, murder, abuse and war throughout all of history? Isn’t war designed to break the wills of others?
Christian: We are Christians! We love peace!
Gary: Yes. You Christians do love peace – on your terms. War results when two or more egos want peace – on their terms. War results after the politicians fail. In war, a Human Being, like a President, Emperor or King assumes authority over other Human Beings. That position of authority religiously sacrifices innocent people. In religion and war, it’s all about authority, murder, obedience and control.
The President of the United States of America assumes God’s Bible-ordained and documented authority. Then, that new President often actually sacrifices his own innocent people in his quest to kill other nation’s innocent people who don’t obey his will or support his agenda. The President proclaims those “others” to be evil and to be his enemy. His war-hawk clergy claims that the newly identified enemy is against Almighty God. His government proclaims that his innocent US subjects are either loyal to the USA or that they are traitorously against the USA. The President then wages war and orders the breaking of his new enemy’s wills and for all survivors to obey him and his agenda. The Biblical God killed Human Beings to force them to surrender to God and to obey His terms and to serve His “mighty” authority and agendas.
Gary: The God of the Bible is not a good God, and the Bible is not a good model for Humanity
Surrender to God
Christian: Blasphemy! Remember sinner! Jesus Christ IS the vengeful God of the Old Testament! Praise Jesus! A Christian, God-fearing Country must break evil soul’s stubborn free-wills – to occupy, enslave and, if necessary, torture or destroy them all. If you do not surrender your free-will for God to occupy and use for His pleasure, God will torture and punish you, not only now, but for eternity. My mission is to break your free-will and to convert you so to save your sinful soul from Hellfire and Eternal-Damnation. You are to subordinate yourself and yield to God’s will. Also, as a good, dutiful Christian, my place of service in Heaven is more assured by your conversion and your sacrifice to God.
Gary: So, you insist that I lose my happy, free-thinking life – as I know it? Instead, I am to sacrifice my free-will and fearfully serve your jealous, wrathful God? You are being a bully who demands my obedience which helps you get into Heaven? Ok. Let me get this clear. I am to convert to Christianity, repent and pray that I am saved, and that I satisfy your Biblical God’s pleasure. God will then judge me. Then, my Heavenly reward is: I can continue to serve for God’s, Jesus Christ’s & The Holy Spirit’s pleasure throughout eternity?
Christian: Yes, yes and yes! You’ve got it! Isn’t it wonderful? Praise God! God is authority. You are to obey authority, including mine! By the way, you are not happy. True happiness is serving Almighty God.
Gary: Says you. According to the Bible, Jesus suffered 5 or 6 hours on the cross. That is a lot of horrible, unthinkable pain. But, your God sentences us to Eternal-Torment if we fail God’s test. Do you view that God’s eternal torment, punishment and pain fits the crime?
Christian: Should you fail God’s test in the life that God gave to you, God should send you into Eternal-Torment. You should be punished for eternity. God loves you. God is just and fair. Praise God!
Save me from Christians & Muslims!
Gary: You actually agree with Eternal Torment? God loves us? God is just and fair? Just how loving, just, fair, legal and moral is the “us against them” Christian mentality?
Christian: Jesus and God are perfect, not unfair. The true Christian mentality is just, legal, fair and perfect. God said so.
Gary: And you display the true Christian mentality? For your information, I personally feel that I have been a happy Atheist for the past 30 years. I have a clear conscience that I am a good Human Being. I do not intentionally hurt people and I have never spent a night in jail. I do tend to stand up to bullies. Do you agree that true Christians have an “us against them” mentality?
Christian: That is God’s way. God rules! Stand up to God and God will step on you like a piss ant. God condemns those who don’t obey. Sacrifice your false happiness to God! Deep down, we have the Holy Spirit. We know God. You do not. We know what you want and need to be a happy Christian. You don’t have the Holy Spirit and you don’t know what you want. We do know what you need, and we Christians know that we may have to force and intimidate you to become what we need you to be. You are to serve authority on authority’s terms!
Gary: Your agenda drains all Human love, hope for life, and you attempt to negate every Human reality. I rule only myself, not others. Aren’t you demanding for me to live by your values in my life with your authoritative dogma being the center of my values?
Christian: Look. I’ve been patient with you. I am saved. You are not saved. I believe the right way because it is God’s way. You are a sinner, and you think and feel wrong. Don’t you know that you hurt and abuse us Christians by not obeying us and God. You are not serving God and Christians like a good, obedient Christian should. You must obey all of the Bible’s 613 Old Testament commandments no matter how you feel about them, and if you die trying, God will reward you.
Gary: But don’t God’s 613 commandments include killing disobedient sons, gay men, girls who are not virgins and those who work on the Sabbath? Should I kill them all?
Christian: That sacred obligation is between you and Almighty God. You are to be like Jesus Christ and sacrifice your life to God.
Gary: But Jesus didn’t kill gay men, disobedient sons and non-virgin girls.
Christian: Praise Jesus! Thank you, Jesus, for suffering and dying on the cross for me! Jesus had His own cross to bear. You have yours.
Gary: If you actually support and promote Human sacrifice, can’t you see that you have no moral or legal conscience, that you qualify to be a psychopath? How can you promote these psychotic beliefs with sincerity?
Christian: I demand respect for my beliefs.
Gary: Knowing what your insane, life-stealing beliefs are, that could take some doing. To convert people, you try to make them feel small and guilty. Why?
Christian: Because you are a guilty, lowly sinner.
Gary: Isn’t obedience all you really want? Isn’t obedience the ultimate test of what you call respect? Aren’t you just demanding other’s conformity and obedience to your authority?
Christian: God’s Old Testament theme mostly was: Obey Me or I will kill you! Jesus added in the New Testament: If you do not obey God and Me, you will suffer Eternal Torment! Praise Jesus!
Do you know the controversial Bible C&Vs?
Christian: It’s not my authority. It is God’s authority. As a converted Christian, it is my job to enforce God’s authority. I am a humble servant of God. God tells us that we must conform, believe and obey to be saved. If you obey my God-fearing beliefs, you will be saved.
Gary: Don’t you see that you are trying to kill an individual’s soul, life and integrity in favor of their having to live a lie?
Christian: In service, God has no use for individuals. Ye must be born again. God demands His children’s heart and soul obedience.
Gary: Sir Christian, what if you are confused and mistaken about your being saved? If you were not saved, would you still agree with God’s sentence of Eternal-Torment?
Christian: You are an arrogant, sinful man. You think that you are great! Pride is a sin! Conversion kills one’s sinful pride. Prideful, sinful souls cannot be ruled. God does not need any prideful, sinful souls in Heaven. Christians do not deny the conception of greatness. The true greatness of man is in his dedication to do God’s work. Conversion destroys sinful pride from within. Conversion kills man’s sense of sinful values. If it’s God’s will – it’s right. If it is a sinner’s will – it is wrong. I am God’s slave, God’s soldier. God can do with me as He wishes. Who are you or I to tell God?
I’m God’s Slave / Soldier
“God’s Will Be Done”
Gary: Spoken like a true, sacrificial martyr. You are testifying that your Biblical God has a master-slave mind-set, and that God is a slave owner. If so, your God operates as a criminal outside of US law. The State of Mississippi was the last state to ratify the United States anti-slavery law in 1995. Yet, you want others to become willing slaves, like you, to God. Don’t you realize that what you are demanding of others is what causes war?
Christian: There was war in Heaven. God requires war to break the wills of the sinful. It’s so simple. God wants sacrifice so that God can know who He can trust to serve Him for eternity. God wants your love and your loyalty. God demands peace – on His terms! If God’s commandments, statutes, ordinances and laws are not obeyed – on God’s terms – mankind gets no peace.
Gary: So, is religion, by constantly warring with the wills that do not serve the Biblical God on His terms, responsible for why mankind has treated mankind so cruelly throughout history?
Christian: Yes. Mankind is sinful and war is necessary to break the will of evil so that God can have His way. God is God! And God deserves and is entitled to have everything His way. Conversion does not let anything remain sacred in a man’s soul except God, and, upon conversion, man’s soul will not be sacred to himself. You’d best fear God, your creator!
Gary: Mankind evolved and was not created.
Christian: Really! If man evolved from monkeys, why do monkeys still exist?
Gary: If Man was formed from dust, why is there still dust?
Christian: God is powerful and can do anything.
Gary: Really! Can God die?
Christian: Blasphemy. God is going to destroy your arrogant ass and then He will send you into Eternal Torment.
Do you realize that you and your God bully non-believers?
Christian: That’s the way it’s supposed to be. Non-believers need discipline, and you don’t tell me how to discipline non-believers.
Gary: You, personally, feel entitled to discipline non-believers?
Christian: I am God’s soldier, and it is God’s way.
Gary: Do you think if Christians knew about this requirement of “waging war on the wills of others”, they would still love God?
Christian: Absolutely. Shut up! Stop talking stupid! You are making me mad!
Gary: Mr. Christian, I propose that you and I make a deal. Ok?
Christian: Ok. What’s your deal?
Gary: My deal is: You don’t talk down to me – and – I don’t punch you out.
Christian: Listen, Christians are God-fearing. God has feelings and God feels that the intensity of a Christian’s love and a believer’s fear is important to Him so that God can know who to choose on judgment day to serve Him for eternity. And, if you take issue with God, we Christians know that you are attacking us. I personally feel that you are attacking me. If you do not break your free-will to the sacred will of Almighty God, He will destroy you.
Gary: Sorry, Mr. Christian, but I cannot love, and I will not serve the insane, domineering, tyrannical, murderous and torturing God that you and the Bible describes.
Christian. Well, it’s simple then. You are going to Hell! I am here to give you a realistic taste, based on the Bible, of what God expects of you and what consequences you will face if you do not break your will and convert. You are to love God with all your heart and soul. Be like us true Christians – or else.
Gary: Do you realize that you are a bully who creates enemies?
Christian: I am a humble servant of my Lord. The Lord IS My Shepherd.
Gary: Powerful, psychopathic men, throughout history, have heinously attacked and brutally murdered nations to break their will. Those, of the destroyed nations who survived, then had to obey and serve their conquers’ agendas. It has been a constant recycle of murder, misery and tyranny throughout history. This – has been your God-Model.
Christian: God does not change. Praise God!
Gary: In the Old Testament, God’s “chosen people” murdered numerous nations, killing every man, woman and child – so to steal their land.
Christian: It was God’s “Promised Land” to give to whom He chose.
Gary: Sometimes, God’s “chosen people” could not get along and waged war upon themselves – God’s Own “chosen”.
Christian: Yes! God corrects His own. Man is sinful and requires correction.
Gary: When “God’s Chosen” lost battles or were not totally obedient, angry God turned on them and destroyed them or God arranged for an enemy to put “His Chosen” to death or into captivity and slavery.
Christian: God is in control. God owns this Earth, everything and everyone on it. It is all God’s land to give to whom He chooses. All lives and souls are God’s to take when and as He wishes. If you are willfully disobedient, God will turn on you and destroy you too. As with Jesus Christ’s wonderful sacrifice, God had it all pre-planned and God was always in control. Yes, God does destroy all those who don’t totally obey Him. You’d best repent for your sins and disobedience. President George W. Bush, who God had appointed over the people of the United States of America, made history by waging war and defeating evil empires. Satan controls those evil people. The more sacrifices that are made, the more God documents in “the book of life” who is suitable to serve God for eternity. God loves the intensity when souls sacrifice themselves to the death in serving God’s authority.
Whose Souls would you Sacrifice for God & Country?
Robert Ingersoll wrote: “Those who have loved God most have loved men least.”
Gary: Sir Christian, you obviously do not like other Human Beings the way they are. Don’t you value Human life?
Christian: There is only one-way Human Beings can satisfy God. Human life is temporary. This Human life cycle is just God’s test to see who God wants to be with Him in Heaven.
Gary: So, you don’t personally care about your fellow Human Beings?
Christian: Not compared to my love for God! My life now is nothing. My Eternal-Life is all that is important. Human Beings cannot save me. Only God can.
Gary: So, you put your agenda of saving yourself over the free lives of other Human Beings? Didn’t Jesus Christ say that there is nothing that a Human Being can do to save himself?
Christian: Yes. But God does love, and God does hate. God loved Jacob and God hated Esau. God is all-powerful, jealous and wrathful. It is best that you fear God and obey!
Gary: It is obvious that – even if the Biblical God does not exist, your belief in God definitely does exist.
Christian: For you to infer that God does not exist is blasphemy!
Gary: By your behavior, I acknowledge that your religion is the way it is. Do you HATE those who do not believe in nor worship your God?
Christian: Let’s just say that I love them less.
Gary: About 30 years ago, I was a licensed, ordained minister.
Christian: You lie!
Gary: No sir, it’s true. Once I learned all the controversial Bible C&Vs about the Biblical God, I chose the Biblical God out of my life. As a result, I have experienced much less personal hatred.
Christian: Almighty God never “called” you to minister for Him.
Gary: Upon reflection, I agree. Only in fantasy and myth has the fictitious Biblical God ever “called” anyone to serve Him.
Christian: Blasphemy!
Gary: Do you view that Heaven is the paradise that Christians project?
Christian: Of course, it is. Yes, there was war in Heaven, but God loves you. You just make sure you are fit for God’s judgment. Stop thinking about yourself and do everything you can to pleasure God. That is your one and only job. God is not going to be happy with you if you don’t break other Human wills as I have broken yours. Convert, fear God, repent, get baptized, pay generous tithes, sacrifice, do good works, believe, have faith – and God may select you to serve Him for eternity.
Gary: Sir Christian, I did not give you permission to advise me. It is best that you intellectually understand and emotionally accept that.
Christian: I minister to whom God puts into my hand.
Gary: Right. You, typically, make claims not in evidence. So, would I have “free-will” in Heaven?
Christian: Certainly not! You are tested by how you serve God on Earth. That determines whether or not you make it into Heaven. Because God does not change, what suits God on Earth suits God in Heaven. “God’s will is to be done on Earth as it is in Heaven.” Are you delusional enough to think that God would give you something in Heaven that He would not allow you during your lifetime on Earth?
Gary: So, what’s in it for the Christian?
Christian: LOL! Well, two things quickly come to my mind. 1. You shall have the privilege to serve God, on His terms, for eternity. And 2, you will not be suffering Eternal-Torment in Hell. That is a pretty sweet deal, if you are smart enough to take advantage of it.
Gary: So, you terrorize gullible believers by threatening the horrors of Hell to scare them into becoming Christians and if they do not obey you, your God and your authoritative dogma, you threaten Eternal Torment?
Christian: How else can God get the sinful to convert and to serve Him?
Gary: Maybe by being a good God-Model instead of being a jealous, vengeful, murderous God-Model?
Christian: God is perfect! You are not to take issue with Almighty God!
Gary: Hell attracts the power-crazy, the superstitious and the ignorant. No logical, reasonable thinker would be converted to a life of sacrifice especially when there is no evidence of a supernatural God. Against my better judgment, if I did agree to your tyrannical God’s terms and to my current Government’s imperialistic war agendas, would I be expected to kill other Human Beings?
Christian: If you are a proper Christian, you will volunteer your life to soldier, to serve, to crusade, to obey and to sacrifice your life for God and for any President whom God appoints over you. That President is doing God’s will. The Bible says so. If Almighty God, or your current President, requires you to do some killing, you are a slave to God and you are a subordinate soldier to your President. You are to sacrifice your will and you are to serve your masters’ wills to your death. God will reward you both on Earth and in Heaven – if you loyally have faith, believe in, love and obey God.
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Gary: Mr. Christian, is God’s Judeo-Christian-Islamic dogma directly or indirectly responsible for all the wars, and all the suffering and pain, that humanity has experienced within Biblical documentation and real recorded history?
Christian: God is in charge. God does not change. God wants sacrifices. God wants you to love him, worship and pray to Him. God hears you! Your love is your sacrifice to God. When you love God – it makes His day.
Gary: I am no longer religious. Based on your description of the Christian religion, I feel no love for your Biblical God.
Christian: Christianity is not a religion. It is a reality.
Gary: Yeah, just like Santa Claus.
Christian: Do not blaspheme my religion!
Gary: Let me see if I’ve got this straight. Do Practicing Christians compete to steal and convert the free-will of other Human Beings? Are all other Human Beings to worshipfully surrender their free-will and their life so to serve your jealous and vengeful God just because you are programed to demand it? It appears that most converted Christians do not like other Human Beings the way they are, the way your God supposedly created them. In fact, practicing Christians preach that all Human Beings are born in sin and that all are inherently evil. Because practicing Christians can not accept other Human Beings the way they are, they want to destroy who another unique Human Beings are genetically born to become. It’s all “Be like me – or else” isn’t it?
Christian: Well, there you have it.
Gary: I view that your ego tries to convert others just to validate your own ego’s nonsense.
Christian: Blasphemy!
Gary: You use the threat of Hell in hopes to give yourself power over others.
Christian. Hell is real. I use what God demands that I use.
Gary: Why does your Biblical God want sacrifices? Why would your God want you to be a slave to His will and to your country’s leader’s murderous will and imperialistic agendas? That does not sound good, just and fair for mankind. That sounds a lot like slavery, authority-driven tyranny and evil blackmail to me, in my experienced value system. I view that your Biblical God is wrong. I view that many US Presidents have been wrong by leading the citizens of the United States to murder citizens of other countries who could not even defend themselves. A Shepherd does feed and care for his flock so that he can fleece them often and ultimately consume them. Can you deny that is the sheep’s reality and its destiny? And you want us to be sheep?
Christian: Blasphemer! There is only one value system and that is God’s! You will obey God – or else! You need to be taken behind the woodshed and corrected. God is good, fair, just and if you don’t break your stubborn will and convert, God will righteously toss you into Hell forever. God sends His plagues on people like you to let you know who is boss.
Do you suffer one of God’s plagues?
Gary: Hummm. Is Polio one of the crippling plagues that the Biblical God has sent people?
Christian: Yes. Polio, Cancer, Aids to name a few! Praise God!
Gary: But according to Dr.Darrel W. Ray’s awesome book “The God Virus”, mankind has evolved to be smart enough to eliminate many of God’s major plagues on Human Beings like Smallpox, TB, Syphilis and Polio. Darrel would probably ask you if you have ever considered getting into a “Recovery from Religion” program?
Christian: You will definitely suffer God’s wrath and go to Hell for saying that to me, “God’s Elect” and Holy Servant.
Gary: Sir Christian, neither you nor your dogma, will rule over any thinking man. You are not a God-ordained authority over others. You cannot make nor enforce dogmatic rules for others to obey by threat of a phony “super-natural” consequence.
Christian: Almighty God is real, and God is “super-natural”!
Christopher Hitchens wrote: Extraordinary claims require extraordinary proof.
Christian: God is extraordinary! I believe in God.
Gary: You know that it is true because you heard it come out of your own mouth.
Christian: That’s all the proof I need. If you don’t obey God’s will and rules, you will go to Hell.
Gary: Richard Dawkins and Darrel Ray would probably diagnose that – by your symptoms and behavior – you have a “God-Virus” in your brain. I view that your fanatical belief has caused you to have a “neuro-dissociative brain”. Except for your close family and friends, I would bet that you have little compassion or empathy concerning other Human Beings.
Christian: If you don’t speak rationally, I’m out-of-here! And betting is a sin!
Gary: I live in “Sin City”, Las Vegas, Nevada. A lot of what you claim to be a “sin” is perfectly legal where I choose to live.
Christian: In God’s eyes and in my eyes, you are a sinner.
Gary: Ok, how’s this sound? Maybe all of mankind will evolve and become smart enough to eliminate the greatest Human plague that was ever invented for mankind – religion and its God.
Christian: You are an obstinate sinner! You go to Hell!
Gary: I stand up to bullies. You resent facing your own tactics. You see, I know most of the controversial C&Vs of the Bible. You cannot and will not learn those controversial C&Vs – nor will you address them. You cannot learn because you cannot question your belief.
Christian: Through faith, we Christians are righteous and peace-loving. We have the Holy Spirit. We do not have to know everything because we believe, and we have faith.
Gary: Oh yes. Faith. The license to ignore reality. You have a parasite on your life – a religious virus – that I don’t want to catch. Could it be that the “Holy Spirit” prevents you from seeing and addressing those controversial Bible C&Vs? Mr. Christian, you will not break my free-will. I have no interest in serving your virus-infected ego – nor – your Judeo-Christian-Islamic God, fictitious or not. Nor will I, as a retired, Army Officer, serve any President who attacks defenseless countries or individuals in order to fulfill his administration’s imperialistic, corporate interests. By Constitutional oath, I will not obey illegal orders.
Christian: You are the worst sinner I have ever met. I look forward seeing you get your one-way ticket to Hell! And how dare you! Our Christian God is not the same as Allah!
Gary: Read chapter and verse selections of your own Bible and of the Koran concerning Abraham. The Biblical God and the Koran’s Allah are the same “One God of Abraham”.
Christian: Blasphemer! Satan is in you.
Gary: It is true that Muhammad started Islam. Before Muhammad there was no Islam. All indicators point to Abraham impregnating Hagar who had Ishmael. Ishmael is considered to be the father of the Arabic people who make up most of Islam today. Abraham had one God. Islam has one God, who they call Allah. It is not logical that God or Allah is real, but they are sourced as the same character: “The One God of Abraham”. So, why would you restrict my will, control my behavior and make me a slave to Jesus?
Christian: I want God’s promise of the power and the glory forever. I want to rule for eternity alongside of Jesus.
Gary: Do you mean that the souls who make it into Heaven will also be ruled over by souls like yours?
Christian: Yes. Amen! Praise God! We Christians fear God. With the power of God on our side, we impose the fear of God on others. That is what converts souls into good, God-Fearing Christians. With the fear of God on our side, imagine the fear that rolls before us. The power and the glory are with us. Amen!
Gary: So, you want power over other people, and you want to use the fear of God to get it?
Christian: Yes. That is how Christianity attracts and controls its converts. You are the bully. I’m not.
Gary: John 6:44 No man can come to Christ except the Father draw him…
Christian: Then, you’re going to Hell!
Gary: Matthew 6:1 Be careful not to practice your righteousness in front of others to be seen by them. If you do, you will have no reward from your Father in Heaven.
Christian: Go to Hell!
Gary: You are not used to people standing up to you – are you? Sir Christian, I do not fear you – nor your voodoo God. You shalt not convert my soul any more than your fictitious God has any say over my free-will.
Christian: God is great, unchanging and perfect! God sacrificed His only Son for your salvation! You refuse to learn from me. You have nothing to teach me. We have no reason to communicate further. Praise God! You are going to Hell! I shall no longer cast my pearls before swine.
Christian exit.
Do Not Cast Your Pearls Before Swine!
AreBelievers Zombies?
Judeo-Christian-Islamic believers ARE non-thinking Human Beings. Aren’t they?
Zombies are on belief auto-pilot – absent of independent thought processes.
It is a paradox. Believers cannot and will not truly question their belief. Will they?
If a believer did question his or her belief, they would prove not to truly believe. Wouldn’t they?
Even if they did question their belief, they are already zombie-mindset to keep the belief. Aren’t they?
That is called mindset. The zombie-mindset mission is to eat what is in our brains. Isn’t it?
The Christian-Conversion zombie-mindset mission is to paralyze another’s brain into converted, non-thinking, mindset belief. After a paralyzed brain becomes thought-dysfunctional, it preaches thought-dysfunction to any who happen into its atmosphere. Doesn’t it?
Gary DeVaney introduces: Insanity is contagious.
Imagine how Christian-Conversion is like Star Trek’s description of: The cloning of the Borg. “I believe” means for the Borg “I obey”. The Borg’s mission is: If you are not converted into the Borg and you are not part of the body, you must be destroyed. The Christian mission is even worse: If you are not converted, you are not part of the body and you will suffer Eternal-Torment.
I’m Gary DeVaney. I support every Human Being’s right to have his or her own views and thoughts – as long as he or she does not imperialistically or authoritatively impose their beliefs / rules on others.
To the honest and realist Human Being – please be just and fair. Do no harm: If you are going to believe in, promote, support and finance the Biblical God, at least know what this God is documented, by Bible C&V, to have done.
If your religion causes war, conflict, prejudice, discrimination, extortion, coercion or blackmail, then, the world would be better off without your religion.
I don’t try to frighten you and I am not afraid of you. I do not like bullies. If you try to intimidate me or be aggressive toward me, I will probably try to avoid somebody getting hurt. If you intimidate or are aggressive with another in my presence, you will probably have to go through me to get to them.
The God Murders website is designed to provide tools and knowledge for the thinker who cannot defend himself from the imperialistic “Practicing Christian” who tries to convert him (or her) by coercion and threat of Eternal Torment.
It also exposes the “Practicing Christian’s” lie should they deny their conversion agenda.
I am a Realist, a Humanist and an Atheist – as I have no evidence of any “supernatural” God. And, neither do you.
Do most practicing Christians imperialistically wage war on those of us who live by our free-will? If Christians are constantly waging war, by virtue of the Biblical God’s documented doctrine, is it any wonder that heads of countries also wage God-ordained “might makes right” war on who they can?
So, practicing Christians, if numerous Muslims debated “their religious threat of consequence” with you or your child the same way that you debate Atheists, how would you react?
Christian Conversion II
Hi! I am a converted and saved Christian and you are an evil sinner.
God / Ego: I want you to live by my values in your life with me being the center of those values.
God / Ego: I want you to obey me and to serve me – on my terms.
God / Ego: I demand – by the power of Eternal-Torment – that you must change who you are for me!
You must spiritually die and be born again.
You must discard your free-will.
You must change your values.
You must change your attitude (outer signs of inner feelings).
You must change your behavior.
You must obey God – and me.
You must be baptized, circumcised, pray, pay tithes, give your wealth away, kill non-virgin girls, gay men and unruly sons.
God knows that I cheat on these, but I confess my sins and I am forgiven. I am saved!
If you are not a Converted Christian, like me, then, I do not like you the way you are. I am saved and I will go to Heaven. You will also have to change yourself to suit me before I will want to spend eternity with you. I will always be superior to you because I was a converted and saved Christian first.
I demand that you change to be like me so that I can then accept you the way you will become.
Don’t try to disobey me, argue with me or debate me. Don’t try to defend yourself or try to stay the same. If you do, God and I will hassle you until you die. Then God will get you! (You and me, right God!!!)
If you don’t convert and change, I want to be the one to personally give you your one-way ticket to Hell.
Why do you try to put non-believers on God’s team when neither non-believers nor God wants them there?
I am a Christian and I hassle and threaten you because I love you.
Praise God! God will send you into Eternal-Torment because God loves you more than you can possibly imagine.
If you don’t convert and become saved, God will send you to Eternal-Torment to protect a good Christian like me from you – you proven evil, disgusting sinner. God will prove to me that God loves me more.
I am a Christian. Evil sinner, you’d best become a Christian too. Or else!
Time out, I must pray: “Dear God! This is so much fun! I never get tired of giving evil sinners those ultimatums. God, I hate them – uh – love them less! So, God, you must have given me the gift of wisdom. I must be brilliant to put up with all these evil sinners! And God, you do have to admit that I am better than your other Christian believers. Right? Right God? God, are you there? God? Where are You? Oh, God, I know you love me. Dammit, God! I’m talking to you! Answer me!
By documented evidence – for those who are not too mind-set to perceive:
“The Biblical God is not a good God and the Bible is not a good model for humanity.”GWD
Does Religion Enslave Humanity?
Conclusion: The Biblical God Character – fictional or not – is mainly responsible for why man treats man so cruelly.
Why practicing Christians get angry when their conversion efforts are rejected:
Today, there are numerous stories of incest crimes. Victims of incest speak up only to be attacked by irate, God-like, righteously indignant people, who angrily demand that the victims do not destroy their fathers’ reputations nor embarrass their mothers. What a God! What a society. What a monkey-mind model. Humanity has been brainwashed and blackmailed into following this model for the past 3,000 years. It is past time for this model to go.
Brother and Sister
In a case of paternal child-abuse or incest, would you tend to protect the father or to stand up for the victim? What if incest occurred within your own family? How about if a close friend or a respected leader committed it? Would your answer be conditional? Knowing that it is wrong and illegal, explain your answer to yourself and learn who you really are.
Bible authoritarians argue: According to original Hebrew or Greek, “I am right and you are wrong. You had best be like me or else”. If English can’t convey the message, is the message really worth conveying? If it can’t be conveyed into English, should we really care? Didn’t even the Catholics stop doing their mass in Latin and started doing their mass in English? Politics is always trying to win the hearts and minds of the masses.
Is it true there are countries in Europe whose governments actually pay churches to be in business? Doesn’t the US Government also pay by letting the churches keep millions in tax revenues?
Do governments use churches to keep their peasants fearfully programmed and brainwashed? Because our government has sent millions of men off to war, it is evident that they aren’t interested in their salvation during this lifetime let alone their eternity.
When countries, like The United States of America, go to war, they seem, like God, to violate their own laws – when those laws become inconvenient.
A Theory is just another definite, guaranteed maybe. Satan doesn’t exist anymore than this monstrous God does. Let’s get the Biblical facts as written in perspective. God / Satan may both be unreal myths created, by design, to be scapegoats of the human ego (which is an assumed authority) and that ego’s self-responsibility. Ego / God (assumed authority) just cannot be wrong. Most who believe, while operating as one with God do, however when confronted, declare a separation of powers.
Was religion (God) created by the egos of men to put themselves in authority above the law and self-responsibility? Did the concept of authority need a cloaking devise? Behold, God, the cloak of authority? Because of our own genetic egos, we seem stuck with it. Sadly, it’s going to take more than what we currently call education to change this one.
Its going to take dumping the influences of this immoral, demonic God in favor of justice which is based on facts, integrity and self-responsibility.
Jeremiah, God’s prophet, the man:
Here’s selected excerpts and a profile of Jeremiah, one of God’s prophets, so to better examine the insanity of God’s prophets. It depicts the recycling manic-depression and schizophrenia of the prophets. The re-cycles are also depicted in the book of Psalms.
Jeremiah 20:7-18 You duped me, God. Whenever I speak out, violence and outrage is my message. The word of God has brought me ridicule and blame. I say to myself: I will not mention Him or speak His name. But then it comes like fire. I cannot endure it. I hear the whisperings of many: Let us denounce him. My friends watch for any misstep of mine. Perhaps he will be trapped then we can take our vengeance on him. But, God is with me. My persecutors will fail. Praise God! Cursed be the day I was born. May the day my mother gave me birth never be blessed. Cursed be the man who said to my father a son has been born to you. Let that man hear war cries because he did not dispatch (murder) me in the womb. Then my mother would have been my grave. Why did I come out of the womb to see sorrow and pain, to end my days in shame.
Jeremiah
Isn’t this parallel to the dialog of Job?
The Jeremiah profile is strangely similar to God’s other prophets. They’re all insane.
Insanity: A legal term describing mental incompetence. One must be unable to tell the difference from right and wrong and to be unaware of the consequences of their actions.
This is a prosecution of The Biblical God’s insane treatment of the living things on Earth. His documented deeds fragrantly flaunt His being above His own supposed laws. People, who wish to be like this God, operate insanely in like manner. They fragrantly break laws and codes of decency and then shift the target of insanity onto the prosecutor, insisting he is insane, wrong and bad. They bestow God’s vengeance and wrath on him for daring to speak out.
Justice and facts are inconsequential. God, like themselves, they declare to be above the law. Believers, for the most part, are limited to their own often-insane fantasies.
The concept of God is a fantasy world. Reality is an adversary to the fantasies of egos.
This work is information based upon Biblical facts. How you deal with, progress and grow with information is your individual and private responsibility. You cannot expect others to learn as you learn. The investigative ability may lie within the genes.
The greatest players in every competition learned things that other players could or did not learn as well.
Q: Do you not want to read this stuff because you take a position so weak it cannot stand debate? Is it information you want, or control? Would you resist replacing misinformation with legitimate facts, especially if the facts are advantageous to mankind?
Believer: We have kept quiet about the things we do not understand and cannot accept concerning God. Why do you expound on these things we can’t handle? Are you trying to damage His reputation? If you have to write about God, write about all the positive things.
Q: Behavior, character and agenda-wise, what positive things?
There are those who are deeply and fearfully concerned about what is discovered here. This exposure is of God’s crimes against humanity and the further perpetuation of those crimes. This prosecution of God is based upon written Biblical evidence, not suspicion.
Believer: I’m 70 years old. I believe our souls live on for eternity.
I consider her, Cathy O’Brien, to be my friend. She was in Las Vegas about 1995. I heard her on a radio talk-show while driving. I went to see her lecture. I heard her story. I wanted to further investigate her super-controversial comments. I bought 10 of her books so fellow investigators could be informed.
I never met her husband, Mark Phillips. I do appreciate what he has done for her and their work together.
I was always impressed with Cathy’s demeanor, her confident, polite, realistic character. Cathy and I kept in touch by e-mail for a few years. Due to a computer virus, I lost my e-mail addresses, including hers. That was a few computers ago.
Cathy O’Brien’s first book is: “Transformation of America”.
The Book’s “shocking” essence:
As a child, her father sexually abused Cathy.
Her father sold her to Senator Robert Carlyle Byrd to become a White House / Pentagon sex-slave.
Cathy was subjected to MK Ultra mind-control.
She wrote that she had sex with Presidents: Ford, Reagan, George H. W. Bush – although Bush was more interested in her little daughter.
Dick Cheney was “hung” and he broke her jaw to accommodate him.
Hillary Clinton had sex with Cathy O’Brien. (Page 155)
Cathy O’Brien, assisted by CIA de-programmer, Mark Philips, wrote the books:
“Trans-Formation of America” & “Access Denied”
Boldly, Cathy wrote how she was used by the White House as a “Mule” (carried illegal drugs) and as a “carrier pigeon” (carried top-secret messages to other world leaders).
I’ve tracked her progress over the years and I do consider her to be a truly courageous friend.
Her story is unbelievable to idealistic believers. They will not want to hear it. The religious, consertative Republican may not like it.
Thinkers, who have the capacity to question, will more likely find her to be credible.
Religion is evidence that mass insanity is contagious
“INTELLIGENCE IS CATEGORICAL”
“INSANITY IS CONTAGIOUS”
A Human Being can be an Atheist until a supernatural God is factually proven to exist, has existed and will exist forever.
Personal Declaration: I, Gary DeVaney, have no hard evidence that The Biblical God exists or ever existed in reality. I personally dislike The Biblical God character, real or not, as depicted by the Chapter and Verses, in the Bible. I personally do not choose to spend eternity with such a monstrous, evil, murdering character, fictitious or not, based on The Biblical God’s heinous C&V rap-sheet. If The BiblicalGod is real and He throws a party, I’m not coming.
Christians, Jews and Muslims do not believe in most gods, just the “One God of Abraham”. Atheists have no factual evidence that even one (1) God exists.
Studies show that 30% of Americans now claim no religious affiliation. US citizens are getting smarter and less fearful of supernatural punishment, wrath and eternal torment. Their intellectual and emotional system have overcome and outgrown all the supernatural nonsense. Today, they are called Atheists. Today thinking Atheists support the US Constitution, civil and criminal laws more than the mindset religious.
Only the behavior of the Human Animal displays a mindset belief in supernatural gods. No other animals, life-forms or species is known to do so. Except for the Human Being, no lifeform known is claimed to believe in a supernatural God. Animal behavior does attempt to “will” things into reality. Some advanced species form groups to do so. Leaders are acknowledged and are involved. But gods are not, by evidence of their behavior.
After about 2,000 years of published Judeo-Christian-Islamic religion, there is still no valid documented facts or evidence of any supernatural God.
The three (3) big religions compete in serving, supporting, promoting and financing their one fictional God. Their fear-based business is myth, intellectual dishonesty, emotion extortion, authoritative power plays, life-stealing blackmail and manipulation. For intelligent and educated individuals, threats are no longer effective in making religion real to them. To the Atheist, religion proves to be pure nonsense. Atheism, in reality, is currently about 30% of the Human population. In a few decades, unless we are blown back to the stone age, Atheism will be the accepted by the Human majority. Intellectually, emotionally and socially, there is nothing more embarrassing than to be caught with an outdated outlook or behavior. We will no longer be victims of dogmatic, mindset beliefs in primitive, moronic, supernatural, nonsensical, life-stealing religion.
Religion is primitive politics. Religion power politically peaked in the dark ages in Europe when the Kings of all European countries yielded to the power of the Catholic Pope in Rome.
Today, the mindset religious still tries to “will” their fixed, unchanging religions into every nation’s own sovereign political system. Like their fictitious Gods, competing religions, by assuming authority, try to convert mindset bullies so to bully the poor, the ignorant and the gullible into serving them – on their terms. In the United States of America, the religious congregations finance their religion’s attempts to gain power against constitutional law and democracy. The Biblical God’s “government” is that of a Tyrant, and Emperor, a King. God does not vote. God is the dictator. God’s threat in the Bible was: Obey Me or I will kill you. Later, Jesus Christ’s brought another threat: If you don’t obey God (AND ME) you will suffer Eternal Torment? Rational Atheists reject that evil nonsense.
Religion is also the business of conmen. Have you seen the wealth, net worth and lifestyles of the world’s top clergy?
Joke: A multi-millionaire preacher was traveling with his wife, having a drink, in their favorite jet. He turned to her and asked: Would you still love me if I weren’t rich? A tear came in her eye, and she said: Of course, I’d love you. I’d miss you.
True Atheists are thinkers – rarely believers. I perceive that trying to organize true Atheists is like trying to organize a herd of cats.
True Atheists are immune from the glue of “irrational faith and mindset belief” and from the world pandemic, “God-Virus”.
My friend, Dr. Darrel Ray’s book, The God Virus also inadvertently verifies my discovery that insanity is contagious.
True Atheists lead their own lives and have little interest in leading or following other lives. True Atheists understand and accept enforceable criminal and civil law. True Atheists are not affected by ridiculous, fear-based con jobs and supernatural nonsense.
Outside of the extremely flawed, controversial and self-contradictory Bible, what solid evidence can you produce that the Biblical God (The One God of Abraham) truly exists? Should you display some evidence, would that evidence hold up in a court of law or a reality test? Or, would your “evidence” be written hearsay? If beliefs mostly consist of passed-on lies, do you have a conscience concerning your adopted beliefs? Do have a conscience? A clear conscience is usually the sign of a bad memory.
By the way, the three main religions worship “The One God of Abraham”. Judaism, Christianity and Islam. Did you know that if you are a Christian, you worship the same God as the Muslims?
Atheism is the cure for Human Beings to rid ourselves of The God Virus, Jesus junky’s and Allah addicts.
Atheist: I would NOT have so much to say about religion if religion did NOT have so much to say about me.
Evidence Of God
There is evidence of the absence of God.
There is the absence of evidence of God.
If you provide verifiable evidence of God, you will become the most famous Human Being in modern history.
Romans 1:18 The wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness…
This Bible C&V may give the greatest license for believers to display anger towards Atheists.
Carl Sagan: Life is but a momentary glimpse of the wonders of this astonishing universe, and it is sad to see so many dreaming it away on spiritual fantasy.
Gods are nothing more than human ideas driven by ego, imagination and hope. They do not exist outside the believer’s brain.
Do believers fear evidence that the Biblical God and Jesus Christ did not exist, or that eventually nobody will care?
Many Christians will flip as their numbers decrease. Why? Because religion has always been a herd mentality.
Is “freedom from religion” freedom from tribal mentality?
Is misplaced patriotism also tribal mentality?
The Judeo-Christian-Islamic believer demands: You prove that God does not exist!
The Biblical God does not exist. One cannot and does not have the responsibility to prove a negative.
You prove that your God does exists first and then I will prove that your God does not exist.
Atheism is not a religion. The Judeo-Christian-Islamic religions have religious laws and their consequences that they push on everybody. Can you present one religious law and its consequence that Atheists push on anybody?
The Biblical God had 4.4 billion years to leave indisputable evidence of his intelligence prior to man’s arrival, but as it stands, we have absolutely no record of any gods predating the men who spoke of them.
Faith and beliefs are the drugs that fuel the cruel insanity of religion.
This is the year 2022. Many US Christians, over the past 5 years, have supported, promoted and financed Donald J. Trump more than they have Jesus Christ?
If a religion, through repetition, could successfully train, program and brainwash a mindset believer to worship, support, promote and finance a false authority, an assumed authority can easily step in and receive all the benefits. That is why throughout history, kingdoms and governments financed clergy and churches / cults through enormous tax breaks to train, program and brainwash gullible believers. The Christian evangelicals were conned into worshipping, supporting, promoting and financing Donald J. Trump to be elected President of the United States of America for 1 term. Many saw his true dominate and true bully self and he failed, and he lost being elected for a second term.
A Real Christian Testimony
I am a Christian. I believe The Holy Bible which documents Chapter & Verse that Jesus Christ died for my sins. I am a sinner. I sin a lot. I have some favorite sins. It is my sacred duty to sin so that my savior, Jesus Christ, who died for my sins, did not die in vain, pointlessly, or unsuccessfully. I am saved! Jesus died for me, and I would not have it any other way.
Logic tells me that the Biblical “God / Character” does NOT exist in reality. Due to this real or not character’s documented torturous behavior and murderous Biblical C&V deeds, I choose NOT to be around this Biblical God / Character even for a moment – let alone for eternity. I certainly would not worship, support, promote and finance this insane character. Remember, the Old Testament Israelites God did it all. They had no afterlife (dust to dust) Heaven, Hell or savior.
Other than a programmed warm-fuzzy, unexplainable feeling, can you prove there is a God?
The Biblical God’s fear-based commandments: To indoctrinate zealous, young believers to promote and convert religious believers is to promote an army of fear-based bullies and liars. The word belief has the word lie in it.
The King James Version Bible contains 1,003 of it’s God’s commandments. Some of God’s commandments are nonsense and some are beyond deadly insane. Some demand: Obey Me of I will kill you. Some sentence you to suffer Eternal Torment.
Romans 3:9 All people are sinners.
James 2:10 whoever breaks one of God’s commandments, is guilty of breaking them all.
Atheism: A non-prophet category of Human Beings.
Napoleon Bonaparte: Religion is excellent stuff for keeping common people quiet.
Adolf Hitler and Joseph Stalin are often accused by Christians to have been evil Atheists.
Adolf Hitler, declared in Mein Kampf: I believe that I am acting in accordance with the will of the Almighty Creator. By defending myself against the Jew, I am fighting for the work of the Lord.
Adolf Hitler was baptized a Catholic. Hitler was never excommunicated by the Catholic Church for his atrocities. Ergo, Hitler was not an Atheist.
Joseph Stalin had at one time attended a religious seminary.
Truly knowing the controversial C&Vs of the Bible is the greatest Atheist maker.
Mindset, zealous believers have accused these evil men, who murdered millions of Human Beings to be Atheists: Hitler, Stalin, Lenin, Pol Pot / Khmer Rouge, Mao Tse Tung, Hoxha, Castro, Bonaparte, Ho Chi Minh…
A few previous American Presidents who murdered millions of native Americans could be on this list including Lyndon Bains Johnson, Richard Milhouse Nixon and George W. Bush.
Karl Marx lied when he, in essence, wrote that Communism was born of Atheism to irradicate Religion from the world.
Atheism is not a religion. Atheism is a personal relationship with reality.
Francois Marie Arouet (Voltaire): Nothing can be more contrary to religion and the clergy than reason and common sense.
A phobia is an unknown-based fear – often programmed.
Fear exists due to ignorance.
Cancer does kill people.
You fear cancer.
If you KNEW the cure for cancer, you would no longer fear it.
Such as the programmed fear of an imaginary murderous, torturous God.
If you are going to worship, promote, support and finance the insane, murderous God of the Bible, at least KNOW what this God is documented by Bible C&V to have done. Is that fair? To factually know the controversial C&Vs of the Bible – is the greatest Atheist maker.
Magic shows are done by clever tricks that can be redundantly repeated. Once you know the trick, it loses its appeal. Ignorance can be the fascination.
Religion programs you to fear and obey a supernatural God.
Know that nothing supernatural exists and you will have NO fear of any supernatural, God.
Parents, who want to be obeyed, use the fear of a supernatural authority in the attempt to force children to obey. It was done to them. They pass it on.
Albert Einstein: A man’s ethical behavior should be based effectually on sympathy, education, and social ties and needs; no religious basis is necessary. Man would indeed be in a poor way if he had to be restrained by fear of punishment and hope of reward after death.
Gary DeVaney: I took on the Biblical God based on “God’s Word” / “God’s Letter” / “God’s own Diary” The Bible. I take issue with what the Biblical God has been documented to have said and to have done. If there is any evidence of another more ethical, fair, and more appealing God, I am open to also experience whatever that God amounts to.
Philosophically, Jesus Christ did not make the cut with me. I am confident that I would also not make the cut with Jesus.
These next two Bible C&Vs are what sunk Jesus Christ in my value system:
Luke 19:27 Jesus Christ said: And, as for those enemies, who would not have Me be King over them, bring them before Me and slay them.
Forget the parable. In what possible context, could Jesus Christ’s words be proper and acceptable to a decent Human Being?
This parable parallels the dogmatic Christian threat: “If you will not have Me, Jesus Christ, as your savior – you will suffer Eternal-Torment in Hell.”
According to the book of Ezekiel, if you are judged and chosen by God to serve God on His terms, you will cease to exist.
According to the book of Revelation, if you are judged and chosen by God to serve God on His terms, you will suffer Eternal-Torment.
Most sadistic clergy choose the Revelation’s “Eternal-Torment” version over Ezekiel’s “cease to exist” version. The “Eternal-Torment” version puts more fear into their believers which means more money, power and control for evil clergy. Thanks, Jesus.
Conversion: Authoritative bullies who convert the gullible will blackmail them with the threat of punishment and Eternal-Torment.
Christian do know what it is like to be an Atheist.
One Christian asked me: What does it feel like to be an Atheist? I asked him: Do you believe in Islam’s Allah? He said: No! I suggested: That is what it feels like to be an Atheist.
Jews believe in the One God of Abraham. Christians believe in the One God of Abraham. Muslims believe in the One God of Abraham. The Judeo-Christian-Islamic One God of Abraham is all the same God. Think about it. If you do not believe in Allah, the One God of Abraham, you do know what it is like to be an Atheist.
Sam Harris wrote: The truth is, you know exactly what it is like to be an atheist with respect to the beliefs of Muslims. Isn’t it obvious that Muslims are fooling themselves? Isn’t it obvious that anyone who thinks that the Koran is the perfect word of the creator of the universe has not read the book critically? Isn’t it obvious that the doctrine of Islam represents a near perfect barrier to honest inquiry? Yes, these things are obvious. Understand that the way you view Islam is precisely the way devout Muslims view Christianity. And it is the way I view all religions.
So, if you’re religious, you think the religious beliefs of other “faiths” are wrong. Atheists agree with you.
People of all other “faiths” think your religious beliefs are wrong. Atheists agree with them.
Why not respect Atheists when we agree with all of you?
The other super-gross Bible C&V that lost my warm feelings for Jesus Christ is in Revelation 2:23. The Son of Man (Jesus Christ) said: “I will kill her children”.
Jesus will kill children because of their parents! That was enough of Jesus Christ for me. Maybe because I am a retired Army officer, Jesus Christ would have to go through me to kill any children. Concerning my respect – Jesus Christ, real or fictional, is history!
Some Christians say that Jesus loves me anyway and that God put me here at this time to do exactly what I am doing to fulfill His plan. personally, I have no evidence of that, nor do I have any evidence of the existence of any Satan.
There may be Gods – but none that I have studied to date are worthy of my support – and I decide that – you don’t. Agreed? Unlike my early years, I am no longer blackmailed by superstitious fear. Who knows, there may be a real God, somewhere, Who is interested in straightening out the Biblical God’s mess. He may even be cheering this work on.
Most Atheists ARE thinkers but, unlike most zealous believers, I view that most atheists are NOT doers. Most Atheists DO little to nothing concerning Atheism. A man once told me that he was an Atheist. I told him I had a few hundred Bible C&Vs that would support his choosing to be an Atheist. He said he didn’t care. Most Atheists are basically impotent and harmless in defending themselves against the Judeo-Christian-Islamic belief systems.
Edmond De Goncourt: If there is a God, atheism must seem to Him as less of an insult than religion.
“Blasphemy” (dictionary): Written or spoken insults directed against religious beliefs with deliberate intent to outrage believers. It is still an offense in English common-law.
Do some Atheists / realists insult God? Yes – and rightfully so. We are often guilty as charged.
But people widely differ in their take on the Bible. Many profound thinkers contend that the usefulness of the Bible is extinct, that it causes the problems of modern society by its very model.
The believers who claim blasphemy, are generally the same believers who attempt to avoid, to evade and to cover up the controversial Bible C&Vs.
If you are a believer who fears the Biblical God, do you honestly like Him?
To mentally and emotionally settle on blind faith and belief is to display intellectual and emotional disability.
Thomas Paine: Each of the churches accuse the others of unbelief; and for my own part, I disbelieve them all.
Charles Darwin: It is not the strongest of the species that survives, nor the most intelligent that survives, it is the one that is most adaptable to change.
Religion is conservative, resistant to change.
Atheism
From Wikipedia, The Free Encyclopedia
Atheism is, in a broad sense, the rejection of belief in the existence of deities.
In a narrower sense, Atheism is specifically the position that there are no deities. Most inclusively, Atheism is simply the absence of belief that any deities exist.
Atheism is contrasted with theism, which in its most general form is the belief that at least one deity exists.
The term Atheismoriginated from the Greek (atheos), meaning “without god”, which was applied with a negative connotation to those thought to reject the gods worshipped by the larger society. With the spread of freethought, skeptical inquiry, and subsequent increase in criticism of religion, application of the term narrowed in scope. The first individuals to identify themselves as “Atheist” appeared in the 18th century.
Atheists tend to be skeptical of supernatural claims, citing a lack of emperical evidence. Atheists have offered various rationales for not believing in any deity. These include the problem of evil, the argument from inconsistant revelations, and the argument from nonbelief. Other arguments for Atheism range from the philosophical to the social to the historical. Although some Atheists have adopted secular philosophies, there is no one ideology or set of behaviors to which all Atheists adhere.
In Western culture, some Atheists are frequently assumed to be irreligious, although other Atheists are spiritual. Moreover, Atheism also figures in certain religious and spiritual belief systems, such as Jainism, Buddhism, Hinduism and Neopagan movements, such as Wicca. Jainism and some forms of Buddhism do not advocate belief in gods, whereas Hinduism holds Atheism to be valid, but difficult to follow spiritually.
In early ancient Greek, the adjective Atheos meant “godless”. It was first used as a term of censure roughly meaning “ungodly” or “impious”. In the 5th century BCE, the word began to indicate more deliberate and active godlessness in the sense of “severing relations with the gods” or “denying the gods”. The term asebēs then came to be applied against those who impiously denied or disrespected the local gods, even if they believed in other gods. Modern translations of classical texts sometimes render Atheos as “Atheistic“. As an abstract noun, there was also Atheotēs, “Atheism“. Cicero transliterated the Greek word into the Latin Atheos. The term found frequent use in the debate between early Christians and Hellenists, with each side attributing it, in the pejorative sense, to the other.
The term Atheist (from French Athee), in the sense of “one who denies or disbelieves the existence of God”, predates Atheism in English, being first found as early as 1566, and again in 1571. Atheistas a label of practical godlessness was used at least as early as 1577. The term Atheism was derived from the French atheisme, and appears in English about 1587. An earlier work, from about 1534, used the term Atheonism. Related words emerged later: deist in 1621, theist in 1662, in 1675, and theism in 1678. At that time “deist” and “deism” already carried their modern meaning. The term theism came to be contrasted with deism.
Atheism was first used to describe a self-avowed belief in late 18th-century Europe, specifically denoting disbelief in the monotheistic Abrahamic god. In the 20th century, globalization contributed to the expansion of the term to refer to disbelief in all deities, though it remains common in Western society to describe atheism as simply “disbelief in God”.
Some Atheists have doubted the very nature of the term “Atheism“. In his book Letter to a Christian Nation, Sam Harris wrote:
In fact, “Atheism” is a term that should not even exist. No one ever needs to identify himself as a “non-astrologer” or a “non-alchemist.” We do not have words for people who doubt that Elvis is still alive or that aliens have traversed the galaxy only to molest ranchers and their cattle. Atheism is nothing more than the noises reasonable people make in the presence of unjustified religious beliefs.
Finis Wikipedia
Atheism
Observations: I see the ignorance of religion and its systematic retardation of the human intellectual and emotional development coming to a close.
It makes me feel good to see an increasingly greater and greater number of people proving to be smarter and more self-sufficient than the previous generations.
We have come a long way from being afraid of the sun, to making up stories about the origin of the world which have been proven false, to finally seeing a movement of people that aren’t afraid to lose fake friends and dead weight family members that can’t accept their rejection of religious mass-psychosis and bigotry.
We did this simply by growing up.
Why should we play along with your self-professed stupidity and dependence on imaginary interactions with the immaterial?
Other than group size and tax-free status, what makes claiming belief in your imaginary friend any less insane and deserving of scorn than the homeless man down the street that has a pet leprechaun?
Why should you be comforted by your illusions while we must accept the fact that we are surrounded by dangerously delusional people that base their actions and values on imaginary feedback from an imaginary friend?
Prayer: Telling God how to do his business.
Why must we walk on eggshells to spare your feeling while we are bombarded with accusations of being an abomination and a heathen?
Why must many Atheists know more about your book of fairy tales, rape, bigotry, and human sacrifice in the name of personal gain than you do?
When you, a believer, is confronted with a controversial Bible C&V, why do you tell us that the words of your book don’t mean what they actually say, that they are “out of context”, they are “mis-interpreted”?
How are Atheists considered to be bad people because we won’t murder our children to please your One God of Abraham?
Why will you never answer these questions directly, but instead result to changing the subject, putting words in my mouth, and attacking the person instead of the point?
Why do you think crying foul will make any difference?
If you really believe, then why do you pray for the recovery of terminally ill loved ones instead of congratulating them on their accelerated death?
Why do you pray if you think God can read your mind?
If God has a plan for everything, why would he change it because you prayed?
If Adam and Eve had no concept of right and wrong before eating from the tree of knowledge, then how could they have known that disobeying god was supposed to be wrong?
How can you subject your children to these fictions as if they were reality and ignore the confused look on their faces when even they think it makes no sense?
Thank you, Clayton Westfall, for sharing these perspectives!
Karen Armstrong (a former nun) writes that “During the sixteenth and seventeenth centuries, the word ‘atheist’ was still reserved exclusively for polemic… The term ‘atheist’ was an insult. Nobody would have dreamed of calling himself an atheist. In the middle of the seventeenth century, it was still assumed that it was impossible not to believe in God; atheist meant not accepting the current conception of the divine.
The Hebrews (Jews, Israelites) were the first to document a negative external spirit whom they identified to be God. Up until about 500 BC, there was no Satan in Hebrew scenarios or scripture. The Jews viewed that their God did it all. Was Satan actually written about to pave the way for a composite savior called Jesus Christ?
“God Is Not Great” – By Christopher Hitchens – A Highly Recommended Book!
The Creation of Christianity
In about 560 BC, King Nebuchadnezzar of Babylon, killed and captured Jews and destroyed their temple in Jerusalem. The King Nebuchadnezzar took some Jewish captives back to Babylon (modern day Iraq).
In about 539 BC, Cyrus, the King of Persia (Iran) attacked and captured Babylon. Cyrus released the captive Jews and escorted them back to Jerusalem. For two centuries (200 years) the Jews remained under Persian protection in Jerusalem. During this time, Jews were exposed to Zoroastrianism which taught about Angels, Demons, Satan, Salvation, the afterlife, Heaven and Hell.
There, Zoroastrianism was taught to the Israelites. They adopted the concept of Satan and Hell. Jesus Christ made the concept of Satan and Hell popular. God’s “Judgment Day” and “Eternal Torment” evolved as the consequence of not accepting Jesus Christ as God and your personal savior. If Jesus Christ is God, then Jesus is “the savior” that will save you from Himself.
Jesus Christ plagiarized Zoroastrianism to create Christianity.
When the term “faith” is brought into the equation, it raises the question as to any “reality” of God.
“Have faith”, “believe me” and “trust me” are often the terms used by control-freaks, con-men and scoundrels.
To challenge one’s faith is to challenge one’s nonsense.
People have faith and belief in an attempt to will things into reality.
Is it those who assume authority over their atmosphere the same those who insist that you have faith in authority? By your having faith, are you yielding to their authority?
Authoritarian / believer / controller: I don’t want debate. I want obedience to my beliefs, demands and expectations.
Some God-Fearing believers claim to be “spiritual” and not “religious”. They claim that God is “spiritual” and that “religion” is worldly. They worship God privately without paying support to religious leaders or churches. The non-believing Atheist sees little to no reason to do either.
Blaise Pascal: Men never commit evil so fully or joyfully as when they do it for religious convictions.
Not one man in 10,000 has the goodness of mind or the strength of the heart to be an Atheist.
Atheism is not about religion. Atheists simply assert that god does not exist – nothing more and nothing less. Atheists mostly stand up and debate believers (bullies) who push their “conquer them all” God on them.
Jon Stewart: RELIGION. It’s given people hope in a world torn apart by religion.
George Bernard Shaw: I’m an atheist and I thank God for it.
Karen Armstrong: All fundamentalism – whether Jewish, Christian, or Muslim – is rooted in a profound fear of annihilation.
Believers are mind-set, hypnotized and brainwashed. When an Atheist questions or uses a C&V fact to point out a believer’s error in their mindset, that Atheist is often accused of attempting to brainwash the already brainwashed believer.
Socrates was accused by Meletus of not believing in the gods.
Greg Easter: Any deity who would condemn me for failing to believe in him / her / it without providing proof of their existence fails to comprehend the human mind, and thus could not be capable of having created it.
Clark Adams: If Atheism is a religion, then health is a disease!
The question is the highest form of thought. Learning requires a change of behavior. As long as a believer cannot question his or her belief, he or she can not learn (change their behavior).
The Question is the highest form of thought
The paradox is: If a believer CAN question his or her belief, he or she proves that they do NOT truly believe. Because that is considered “blasphemy”, believers are programmed NOT to learn anything outside of their dogmatic, mind-set belief. Learning reality does NOT require repentance or apology.
So, Christians, you do claim that Jesus Christ is God? Right?
Do you claim that Jesus Christ is “The One God of Abraham”?
If so, why don’t the Jews and Islam believe in Jesus Christ?
They both claim to believe in “The One God of Abraham”.
Gary DeVaney: When a suspect is brought into court, the prosecution has already come to the conclusion that the suspect is guilty – or the suspect would not be in court. It is the prosecutor’s job to then prove the suspect’s guilt to the jury. I have concluded that the Biblical God is guilty of the C&V crimes documented and listed. The God Murders is my attempt to prosecute and convince a wholly unbiased jury of the Biblical God’s guilt. Good luck – – – right!
In The Beginning of His trial, the invisible Biblical God was asked if He was guilty of these crimes. He refused to answer. His defense lawyers stated that whether the Biblical God was guilty or not was irrelevant, as He was to be considered innocent because He is God.
To judge is to make realistic decisions based on evidence, not hearsay nor feel-good dogma.
What has produced the effects of dogmatic brainwashing, conditioning or programming more than religion?
Is death a gift or an enemy? If there is no afterlife – no eternal-damnation – no serving and worshiping a tyrannical God forever, death can be a gift.
Doesn’t God show infidelity and poor character when He breaks His word. All of God’s broken promises proved to be conditional.
Malachi 2:1-3 God said: If you do not listen to give glory to my name, I will strew dung (throw shit) in your faces.
Nice talk, Sir God.
Romans 5:13 Sin is not accounted when there is no law.
Believer: God is entitled. God does what He wants, whatever is His pleasure. God is not subject to any laws. He is totally above the laws of man. God makes laws to suit His own pleasure. How can God be subject to law if there is no law over Him?
Q: Does that also apply when there is a law; but it is not popular, acknowledged, nor enforced?
Believer: I don’t want to discuss it!
Do conservative (non-changing) Christian fundamentalists regard “evolution” as a scientific theory or as a symbol of evil?
Matilda Joslyn Gage: The careful student of history will discover that Christianity has been of very little value in advancing civilization but has done a great deal toward retarding it.
Blaise Pascal: Men never do evil so completely and cheerfully as when they do it from religious conviction.
What was Mother Teresa’s primary goal? To heal the sick? No. To comfort and care? No. To prevent unwanted pregnancy? No. Christian Conversion? Yes.
If There Is No God:
Why do Christians mutilate their baby’s genitals?
Why do Christians shut down things on Sundays?
Why do women make less money for the same job than men?
Why do Christians blow-up planned-parenthood clinics?
Why does the Christian-dominated US military drone-bomb Muslims?
Why do Christians vote for so many blue laws?
Why do many Christians disown their gay kids?
Why are there 3 Christian churches for every public school?
Why do Christians insist on prayer to the Judeo-Christian God in public schools?
Why do many Christians disregard science and global warming?
Why is the Judeo-Christian Bible the best-selling book of all time?
Why does the Christian US government dedicate more tax money to churches then to US infrastructure?
Why does the US Government, without evidence, support the existence of God and help finance religions?
Then, the God-fearing, religious US Government has a lot to answer for.
Ludwig Feuerbach (1841) Greatly influenced philosophers such as Engles, Marx, David Strauss, Nitzsche and Max Stirner. Feuerbach considered God to be a human invention and religious activities to be wish-fulfillment. For this he is considered the founding father of modern anthropology of religion.
Atheists simply claim they have no evidence that there is, in reality, a God. Believers claim, without proof, there is a God and condemn Atheists for their doubt and lack of faith.
“I believe” means so many things that some seasoned Atheists rarely use those words. “I believe”, to seasoned Atheists, means: “I pretend” – “I gamble” – “I am mind-set – and that “I am committed”. It’s such a multiple-meaning and a vague term that it has little identifiable substance. However, “I believe” always admits “I don’t know.” Why should an Atheist buy into a believer’s “I don’t know?” When challenged, and the believer is proved wrong about something he believed, he will cop-out that he said he only believed. He didn’t say he knew.
Mindset believers are Atheists concerning every other God but their own. If you ask them to describe their God, they will mostly describe themselves and their personal feelings.
Atheists are more likely to be thinkers instead of believers. The highest form of thought is the question. Believers cannot question their beliefs because if a believer did question his or her belief, he or she would prove not to believe.
Intelligence Is Categorical. One can be intelligent in one category and a moron in many others. Atheists tend to require reality and “making sense” in their thinking. Believers tend use unrealistic “leaps of faith” in their debate.
A Leap Of Faith?
Richard Francis Burton: The More I study religions, the more I am convinced that man never worshipped anything but himself.
Karen Armstrong: Religion should be studied with the same academic impartiality and accuracy as the economy, politics, and social customs of a region, so that we learn how religion interacts with political tension, what is counterproductive, and how to avoid giving unnecessary offense.
How realistic are Christians? How many Christians believe in the “Virgin Birth” and the “life after death resurrection”. How realistic do believing Christians prove to be?
Would you believe in Jesus if no obedience was necessary?
Epicurus: Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able? Then is God impotent. Is God able, but not willing? Then is God malevolent? Is God both able and willing? Is God evil?
Revelation 12:7 There was war in Heaven.
What? Is God in control?
You know, if just one Human Being truly has “free-will”; then God is not in control. You can’t have it both ways.
Believers feel supported when other believers commit to the same unrealistic dogma that they commit to. That is strange to a thinking Atheist.
Personal Declaration: I, Gary DeVaney, do tend to take issue with the Bible and its God due to documented controversial C&Vs of the Bible. To debate is to focus on the topic. To argue is to focus on control. Personally, in debate attacking opponents is bad debate. Exposing opponent flaws is part of debate but name-calling and talking down to your opponent is not. Some call my taking issue with God and the Bible lashing out. What can I say to that? If I am wrong, correct my errors, don’t just complain about them. Yes, the controversial Bible and its insane God are my issues. There are many definitions of murder. One definition that must be included is: To take a Human life to fulfill one’s personal agenda”. The Biblical God is guilty of this one throughout the Old Testament. This definition stands along with many others. In my value system, this definition best fits the murderous Biblical God. I hope to accomplish waking up the mind-set to: “The God of the Bible is NOT a good God, and the Bible is NOT a good model for Humanity.” It is time for them to go down in history as the worst models for Humanity ever. Can you imagine how many Human Beings threw their natural, happy lives away for this after-life (Heaven & Hell) nonsense?
Poly-Atheism
By
Gary DeVaney
So, are you a sinner? Do you believe in God?
Atheist: Because I don’t have any factual evidence of any God, I am an Atheist. Mr. Christian, you tell me, do you believe in God?
Christian: I most certainly do.
Atheist: Which God do you believe in?
Christian: There is only one God, the God of the Bible.
Atheist: If an Islamic believer approached you, to convert to you to Islam, how would you feel?
Christian: I would certainly be offended!
Atheist: How would you feel if he pressured you to convert?
Christian: I would soon tell him where to get off.
Atheist: What would you do if he threatened you with “eternal-torment” if you did not convert?
Christian: If I were a violent man, we might come to blows. I would tell him, “Satan, get ye behind me.”
Atheist: What if you saw him try to convert other Christians?
Christian: I would strongly intervene.
Atheist: Based on your answers, how do you think Atheists feel when you try to convert us?
Christian: After this conversation and if I absolutely knew that he or she was an Atheist, I probably wouldn’t bother.
Atheist: Mr. Christian, we would appreciate that.
Christian: You are going to Hell!!!
Christian exit…
Atheist: Mr. Christian, I view that you are a “Poly-Atheist”.
Christian: What? I believe in God.
Atheist: Ok, be honest and answer yes or no. Do you believe in the god, Zeus?
Christian: No! I certainly do not! Zeus does not exist.
Atheist: Can you prove that Zeus does not exist?
Christian: No. I don’t have to. It is more than obvious that Zeus does not exist.
Atheist: Do you believe in Allah?
Christian: No!
Atheist: Do you know that Allah and the One God of Abraham are the same identical God.
Christian: No way!
Atheist: Yes. Ask any Rabbi or experienced Christian minister.
Christian: I do not believe that, and I will not spread pearls before swine. You are a sinner and a liar! You are going to Hell!!!
Atheist: Calm down. Do you believe in, support, promote and finance the war god, Mars?
Christian: Of course not!
Atheist: Do you believe in the gods Neptune, Horus or Thor?
Christian: No! No! And No!
Atheist: Then, by your own admission, Sir Christian, you are a Poly-Atheist because you do not believe in MANY gods. I too qualify to be a Poly-Atheist because I believe in just one God less than you do.
Atheist: Sir Christian, are you more upset that I don’t believe in your God, or, that I don’t believe you concerning your God?
Atheist: I Do Not Believe You Concerning Your God
Don’t you qualify as an Atheist?
Do you claim that there only one God?
If so, are you not an Atheist to all other gods?
Do you claim that Jesus Christ is the one God?
Do you claim that Jesus Christ is the “One God of Abraham”?
Do you believe in “The Trinity”; that God is Jesus, that Jesus is the Holy Ghost and that the Holy Ghost is God?
Yes, yes and yes!
Then Jesus Christ knocked-up His own mother Mary to produce Himself.
Blaspheny! You’re going to Hell!
Did Abraham know about, worship or speak about Jesus Christ?
No.
If Jesus Christ is God; and the Jewish and Muslims religions deny that Jesus Christ is God, then, don’t the Jews and the Muslims all prove to be Atheists.
If the Biblical God and the Koran’s Allah are the same character, then is Jesus Christ Allah? Do you believe that Jesus is Allah or are you also an Atheist?
The Church fears Atheism, not because Atheism disrupts Human welfare, but that Atheism disrupts the church’s welfare.
Stephen Roberts said: I contend that we are both atheists. I just believe in one fewer god than you do. When you understand why you dismiss all the other possible gods, you will understand why I dismiss yours.
Some would ban religion.
Some would make religion a controlled substance like cigarettes, drugs and alcohol.
Some Notable AtheistsThomas Paine,Thomas Edison, Isaac Asimov, Ernest Hemingway, Marie Curie, Albert Einstein, Andrew Carnegie, Aldous Huxley, Charles Darwin, Carl Sagan, Robert Green Ingersoll, Mark Twain, Robert Frost, Frank Lloyd Wright, Susan B Anthony
Jesus had gate-duty at Heaven’s Pearly Gate. An old man with a long white beard tried to go in. Jesus stopped him and said: You must have done something good and special to enter here. What have you done good and special? The old man pondered for a moment and then said: I had a son. Jesus said: What’s so good and special about that? The old man said: Well, they wrote a lot of books about him. This made Jesus reflect and get excited. The old man continued: He had nails put through his hands. Jesus couldn’t contain Himself and opened His arms to hug the old man and cried: Father! The old man said: Whoa! Back off! Do I know you?
Who was Jesus?
There were 3 good arguments that Jesus was Black:
1. He called everyone brother.
2. He liked Gospel.
3. He couldn’t get a fair trial.
But then there were 3 equally good arguments that Jesus was Jewish:
1. He went into His Father’s business.
2. He lived at home until He was 33.
3. He was sure His Mother was a virgin and His Mother was sure He was God.
But then there were 3 equally good arguments that Jesus was Italian:
1. He talked with His hands.
2. He had wine with His meals.
3. He used olive oil.
But then there were 3 equally good arguments that Jesus was a Californian:
1. He never cut His hair.
2. He walked around barefoot all the time.
3. He started a new religion.
But then there were 3 equally good arguments that Jesus was an American Indian:
1. He was at peace with nature.
2. He ate a lot of fish.
3. He talked about The Great Spirit.
But then there were 3 equally good arguments that Jesus was Irish:
1. He never married.
2. He was always telling stories.
3. He loved green pastures.
But the most compelling evidence of all – 3 proofs that Jesus was a woman:
1. He fed a crowd at a moment’s notice when there was no food.
2. He kept trying to get a message across to a bunch of men who just didn’t get it.
3. And even when He was dead, He had to get up because there was work to do.
They keep talking about drafting a Constitution for Iraq. Why don’t we just give them ours? It was written by a lot of really smart guys, it’s worked for over 200 years and we’re not using it anymore.
Gilbert Gottfried: In a discussion with Jesus I said: I feel like no one will ever accept me. Jesus looked at me and said, You know what my theory is: Accept me or go to Hell.
The real reason that we can’t have the Ten Commandments in a Courthouse is that you cannot post Thou Shalt Not Steal, Thou Shalt NotCommit Adultery and Thou Shalt Not Lie in a building full of lawyers, judges and politicians! It creates a hostile work environment.
Out of the Mouths of Babes?
A Sunday school teacher asked her class: What was Jesus’ mother’s name? One child answered: Mary. The teacher then asked:
Who knows what Jesus’ father’s name was? A little kid said: Verge. Confused, the teacher asked: Where did you get that? The kid said: Well, you know they are always talking about Verge n’ Mary.
KIDS IN CHURCH
3-year-old, Reese: Our Father, Who does art in Heaven, Harold is His name. Amen.
A little boy was overheard praying:
Lord, if you can’t make me a better boy, don’t worry about it. I’m having a real good time like I am.
After the christening of his baby brother in church, Jason sobbed all the way home in the back seat of the car.
His father asked him three times what was wrong.
Finally, the boy replied: That preacher said he wanted us brought up in a Christian home, and I wanted to stay with you guys.
The Hillbilly’s Ten Commandments
Sulphur Rock, AR.
(As translated from the ‘King James’)
1 Just one God
2 Honor yer Ma & Pa
3 No tellin’ tales or gossipin’
4 Git yourself to Sunday meetin’
5 Put nothin’ afore God
6 No foolin’ around with anutha feller’s gal
7 No killin’
8 Watch yer mouth
9 Don’t take what ain’t yers
10 Don’t be hankerin’ for yer buddy’s stuff
I had been teaching my three-year old daughter, Caitlin, the Lord’s Prayer for several evenings at bedtime, she would repeat after me the lines from the prayer. Finally, she decided to go solo. I listened with pride as she carefully enunciated each word right up to the end of the prayer: Lead us not into temptation, she prayed, but deliver us some E-mail.
One particular four-year-old prayed: And forgive us our trash baskets as we forgive those who put trash in our baskets.
A Sunday school teacher asked her children, as they were on the way to church service, And why is it necessary to be quiet in church?
One bright little girl replied: Because people are sleeping.
Six-year-old Angie and her four-year-old brother Joel were sitting together in church. Joel giggled, sang, and talked out loud. Finally, his big sister had enough. You’re not supposed to talk out loud in church. Why? Who’s going to stop me? Joel asked. Angie pointed to the back of the church and said, See those two men standing by the door? They’re hushers.
A mother was preparing pancakes for her sons, Kevin, 5 and Ryan 3. The boys began to argue over who would get the first pancake. Their mother saw the opportunity for a moral lesson. If Jesus were sitting here, Jesus would say: Let my brother have the first pancake, I can wait. Kevin turned to his younger brother and said: Ryan, you be Jesus!
A father was at the beach with his children when the four-year-old son ran up to him, grabbed his hand, and led him to the shore where a seagull lay dead in the sand. Daddy, what happened to him? the son asked. He died and went to Heaven, the Dad replied. The boy thought a moment and then said: Did God throw him back down?
A wife invited some people to dinner. At the table, she turned to their six-year-old daughter and said: Would you like to say the blessing? I wouldn’t know what to say, the girl replied.
Just say what you hear Mommy say, the wife answered.
The daughter bowed her head and said: Lord, why on Earth did I invite all these people to dinner?
From the mouths of children:
1. Amanda: Dear God, please put another holiday between Christmas and Easter. There is nothing good in there now.
2. Joyce: Dear God, thank you for the baby brother but what I asked for was a puppy. I never asked for anything before. You can look it up.
3. Janet: Dear Mr. God, I wish you would not make it so easy for people to come apart. I had to have 3 stitches and a shot.
4. Dear God. I read the bible. What does beget mean? Nobody will tell me. Love, Alison
5. Charlene: Dear God, how did you know you were God? Who told you?
6. Anita: Dear God, is it true my father won’t get in Heaven if he uses his golf words in the house?
7. Nancy: Dear God, I bet it’s very hard for you to love all of everybody in the whole world. There are only 4 people in our family and I can never do it.
8. Glenn: Dear God, I like the story about Noah the best of all of them. You really made up some good ones. I like the walking on water, too.
9. Dear God, my Grandpa says you were around when he was a little boy. How far back do you go? Love, Dennis
10. Nathan: Dear God, do you draw the lines around the countries? If you don’t, who does?
11. Norma: Dear God, did you mean for giraffes to look like that or was it an accident?
12. Jennifer: Dear God, in bible times, did they really talk that fancy?
13. Billy: Dear God, how come you did all those miracles in the old days and don’t do any now?
14. Peter: Dear God, please send Dennis Clark to a different summer camp this year.
15. Larry: Dear God, maybe Cain and Abel would not kill each other so much if they each had their own rooms. It works out OK with me and my brother.
16. Mark: Dear God, I keep waiting for spring, but it never did come yet. What’s up? Don’t forget.
17. Marsha: Dear God, my brother told me about how you are born but it just doesn’t sound right. What do you say?
18 Barbara: Dear God, if you watch in Church on Sunday I will show you my new shoes.
19. Donny: Dear God, is Reverend Coe a friend of yours, or do you just know him through the business?
20. Charles: Dear God, I do not think anybody could be a better God than you. Well, I just want you to know that. I am not just saying that because you are already God.
21. Jeff: Dear God, it is great the way you always get the stars in the right place. Why can’t you do that with the moon?
22. Frank: Dear God, I am doing the best I can. Really !!!!
Marriage is a wonderful institution. But who wants to live in an institution? – Groucho Marx
How the Jews got the 10 Commandments: From: Nancy Pangburn
God went to the Arabs and said: I have Commandments for you that will make your lives better. And the Arabs asked: What are Commandments? And the Lord said: They are rules for living. Can you give us an example? Thou shalt not kill. Not kill? We’re not interested.
So, God went to the Blacks and said: I have some Commandments.
And, the Blacks wanted and example, and the Lord said: Honor thy father and mother. Father? We don’t who our fathers are.
So, He went to the Mexicans and said: I’ve got some Commandments. And the Mexicans wanted an example, and The Lord said: Thou shalt not steal.
Not steal? We’re not interested?
He went to the French and said: I have Commandments. The French wanted examples and the Lord said: Thou shalt not commit adultery. Not commit adultery? We’re not interested.
So, God finally went to the Jews and said: I have commandments. Commandments they said: How much are they?
They’re free.
We’ll take 10.
This comes from a Catholic elementary test. Kids were asked questions about the Old and New Testaments. The following statements about the Bible were written by children. They have not been changed or corrected. Pay special attention to the wording and spelling. If you the Bible even a little, you’ll find this hilarious! Incorrect spelling has been left in.
1. In the first book of the Bible, Guinessis, God got tired of creating the world so he took the Sabbath off.
2. Adam and Eve were created from an apple tree. Noah’s wife was Joan of Ark. Noah built an ark and the animals came on in pears.
3. Lots wife was a pillar of salt during the day but a ball of fire at night.
4. The Jews were a proud people and throughout history they had trouble with unsympathetic genitals.
5. Sampson was a strongman who let himself be led astray by a Jezebel like Delilah.
6. Samson slayed the Philistines with the axe of the apostles.
7. Moses led the Jews to the Red Sea where they made unleavened bread which is bread without any ingredients.
8. The Egyptians were all drowned in the dessert. Afterwards, Moses went up to Mount Cyanide to get the 10 commandments.
9. The first commandments was when Eve told Adam to eat the apple.
10. The seventh is thou shalt not admit adultery.
11. Moses died before he ever reached Canada. Then Joshua led the Hebrews in the battle of geritol.
12. The greatest miracle in the bible is when Joshua told his son to stand still and he obeyed him.
13. David was a Hebrew king who was killed at playing the liar. He fought the Finkelsteins, a race of people who lived in biblical times.
14. Solomon, one of David’s sons, had 300 wives and 700 porcupines.
15. When Mary heard she was the mother of Jesus, she sang the magna carta.
16. When the 3 wise guys from the east side arrived they found Jesus in the manager.
17. Jsus was born because Mary had an immaculate contraption.
18. St. John the blacksmith dumped water on his head.
19. Jesus enunciated the golden rule, which says to do unto others before they do on to you. He also explained a man doth not live by sweat alone.
20. It was a miracle when Jesus rose from the dead and managed to get the tomestone off the entrance.
21. The people who followed the lord are called the 12 decibels.
22. The epistels were the wives of the apostles.
23. One of the opossums was St. Matthew who also was a taximan.
24. St. Paul cavorted to Christianity, he preached holy acrimony which is another name for marriage.
25. Christians have only one wife. This is called monotony.
Getting Into Heaven:
I was testing the children in my Sunday School class to see if they understood the concept of getting to heaven. I asked them, If I sold my house and my car, had a big garage sale and gave all my money to the church, would that get me into Heaven?
NO! the children answered.
If I cleaned the church every day, mowed the yard, and kept everything neat and tidy, would that get me into Heaven? Again, the answer was, NO! By now I was starting to smile. Hey, this was fun! Well, then, if I was kind to animals and gave candy to all the children, and loved my wife, would that get me into Heaven? Again, they all answered, NO!
I was just bursting with pride for them. Well, I continued, then how can I get into Heaven? A five-year-old boy shouted out,
YOU GOTTA BE DEAD!
Prescribed by God the Great Physician
GOD can use you, just remember:
Noah was a drunk
Abraham was too old, a pimp and almost a child killer
Isaac was a daydreamer
Jacob was a liar and practiced incest
Leah was ugly and used Mandrakes / Viagra
Tamar sold sex to Judah, her father-in-law
Joseph was abused
Moses had a stuttering problem and killed thousands
Gideon was afraid
Samson had long hair killed 30 men to satisify a dept and did a prostitute
Money answers all things
Rahab was a harlot / prostitute
Jeremiah and Timothy were too young
David did adultery and was a murderer
Elijah and Jesus were suicidal
Isaiah preached naked
Jonah ran from God
Naomi was a widow
Job went bankrupt
Peter denied Christ
The Disciples fell asleep while praying
Martha worried about everything
The Samaritan woman was divorced, more than once
God is a divorcee
Zaccheus was too small
Paul was too religious
Timothy had an ulcer..
AND Lazarus was dead
A little girl was talking to her teacher about whales.
The teacher said it was physically impossible for a whale to swallow a human because even though it was a very large mammal its throat was very small.
The little girl stated that Jonah was swallowed by a whale.
Irritated, the teacher reiterated that a whale could not swallow a human; it was physically impossible.
The little girl said, When I get to heaven I will ask Jonah.
The teacher asked, What if Jonah went to hell?
The little girl replied, Then you ask him.
A Kindergarten teacher was observing her classroom of children while they were drawing. She would occasionally walk around to see each child’s work.
As she got to one little girl who was working diligently, she asked what the drawing was.
The girl replied, I’m drawing God. The teacher paused and said, But no one knows what God looks like.
Without missing a beat, or looking up from her drawing, the girl replied, They will in a minute.
Are Angels messengers of God – or – messengers of Satan?
Only 2 Angels are mentioned by name in the Bible: Michael & Gabriel.
In the Catholic version the apocrypha book of Tobit the Angel Raphael is mentioned.
Satan in some texts a loyal servant of God. In others Satan is God’s bitter enemy.
In beginning Christianity, demon Angels were depicted small to be like flies or gnats. Their image and reputation grew as Christianity evolved.
Angels are go-between messengers between a beyond this world God and mankind.
Angels protect or “save” you from going where you should not go. They could save you from drowning or from evil. They keep you on the path of righteousness.
Righteous: Obeying civil, criminal, moral, human or natural law.
Satan, the serpent was cast out of heaven for rebellion.
Lucifer was cast out of Heaven for pride – and took 1/3rd of the Angels with Him – thus, the fallen Angels.
Fallen Angels
How can the Good, all powerful, in control God allow evil in the world?
Angels and Demons are cop-outs for irresponsible men and women. God or the Devil made me do it.
Believers infer: “I know it’s true because I heard it come out of my own mouth.”
5,000 years ago in Egypt, good and bad supernatural beings were professed. They evolved.
Forces of nature were identified as acts of God.
Have you seen a picture of early male American Indians with a beard?
“I believe” is a tool of manipulation which can mean If I will something, you take it as a command and obey it.
Zoroaster’s God was named: Ahura Mazda (Wise Lord).
Angra Mainyu or Ahriman = destructive / evil.
Many of Zoroaster’s characters evolved into our modern Angels.
Have Angels Evolved?
Angels of protection, success, healing or particular pursuits.
Ancient Angels faded into oblivion and gave way to new Angels – Michael, Gabriel and an army of fierce guardian Angels.
Your white blood corpuscles have more power against evil / destructive disease than do the fictitious Angels.
Most ancient tribes put faith into many gods.
Your many creative genes could more be valid as gods than these fictitious entities.
Israel and Judah put their faith in one god. One King – one God.
The Hebrew Bible – The Tanakh – was written between 1,000 and 160 BC – about 800 years.
The first Angels were Cherubim. The first Cherubim were stationed by God in the Garden of Eden to keep the exiled Adam and Eve out.
Satan was a Cherubim – one of the 2 Cherubim guarding God’s throne as depicted in The Arc of the Covenant – according to Pastor Arnold Murray.
These Angels are the security agents of God.
The all-powerful, in-control God needs security?
Two places the Angels Gabriel & Michael are mentioned are in the books of Daniel and Luke.
Gabriel is the main messenger of God.
Michael is God’s enforcer Angel.
Michael?
Nowhere in the Hebrew Bible are the names of Angeles included.
They are not to be considered entities unto themselves but only messengers of God because god does not need assistance nor for someone to do something for God.
In the Hebrew Bible there is no devil. God does it all. There is no biblical Hebrew word for Satan / Devil – the bad Angel – the head of bad Angels.
Satan, nowhere in the Bible is considered an enemy of God. Satan is a Hebrew word that means adversary – job description – not a name.
Satan is an Angel in God’s circle who is an adversary of Human Beings – not God. Satan tempts Human Beings so God can know who to trust to be with Him for eternity.
Emperor Constantine had Rabbis and their scribes meet at the Council of Nicaea about 325 AD. In that and other councils, they voted the books of the “Canon” and also voted for Jesus Christ to be God / Divine.
“Apocrypha” means “the hidden books” / “dubious texts” – not fit to be believed not credible.
Lilith, Adam’s first bad girl wife was responsible for evil in Jewish Apocrypha myth.
The followers of Jesus Christ split off the old Judaism. Gabriel informs Mary she will have Jesus.
The Angel Gabriel?
Christians took on winged creatures to be Angels – the messengers of God.
The Catholic Bible includes the Apocrypha book Tobit – which introduces the Angel Raphael.
Because of Ezekiel Chapter 28, Ezekiel must have been influenced by the book of Tobit.
In the New Testament, Satan is denounced from throughout ending in Revelation. Satan and any evil human judged disobedient to God would spend Eternal Torment in Hell.
Despite some fundamental differences Islam share common ancestry with Judaism and Christianity.
Islam looks upon itself as a continuation of Judaism and Christianity
The Koran has constant references to the Hebrew Bible and the New Testament.
The Biblical heroes, prophets, Jesus and Mary are major figures in the Koran. Adam & Eve, the Exodus story, the baptism of Jesus are all Islamic stories. Islam also includes Angels.
The Koran is direct communication from the Angel Gabriel (“Jibrael” in Arabic) to Mohammed.
The “Koran” means “The Recitation”. Gabriel tells Mohammed that he is a prophet and he will be the reciter of God’s message.
The Koran recognizes that Jesus is a prophet and that Gabriel told Mary of her giving birth to Jesus.
Islam promotes watchers – beings assigned to each living person – a guardian Angel.
Guardian Angel?
Islam has creatures of evil known as Shayahteen or Satans – as with the Jewish tradition – who are adversaries of Human Beings – not God.
God focuses on spiritual (fantasy) values while Satan focuses on Earthly (real) values. The soul waivers in between.
Jinn or Genies are fire like Angels are forms of light.
“Iblis” is the Islamic Satan.
Iblis is the mythic projection of human bad tendencies, frailties like jealousy, envy, hatred, anger, spite.
One Angel presents a scroll with the good deeds. Second Angel reads of a scroll of bad deeds. God is the judge.
Good?
Bad?
The good go to paradise. In Christianity the condemned go to Eternal Torment with Satan in Hell. Islam’s Hell is not eternal with Iblis. Angels only contact people when the Angels want to – not when people want them. People try to use magic to contact Angels / Spirits on their own terms.
Mae West: When I’m good – I’m good. When I’m bad – I’m better.
Opposing beliefs are exposed opposing wills.
You may buy my will but you cannot demand it.
God’s Angel, Michael, is the most powerful Angel.
Concerns Arch-Angel Michael can address:
Children died.
Male impotence.
Demonic presence.
Animals not behaving well.
Business problems.
Gabriel: Your personal Guardian Angel gives you supernatural powers.
Guardian Angel?
To me this defines Ego. Ego always tries to be more than it is. That’s Ego’s job. It seems to expose itself categorically. Intelligence and talents are categorical. Your ego can be deemed evil or good – mostly by authoritarians.
Maybe our genes have specific functions and help us live healthy balanced lives. Until the past 200+ years genes were not known of. I view that the study our genes is our final frontier. Genetic medicine is our breakthrough gods.
Maybe the average human being has about 70,000 genes – which could be considered 70,000 angels.
How many individuals consider God and Angels art figures and lost their theological importance.
To thing one had sex with demons and produced demons is simply the random luck of the draw of bad or incompatible genes.
Conclusion: Our genetic influences could have mistaken as “Spiritual Angels”. Could our ever aware, ever evolving genes send our egos messages that could be interpreted to be spiritual or supernatural? We are here only because our ancestors had the strong enough genes to survive long enough to have us. War and other terrible experiences can trigger “evil” genes to kill and destroy. Other genes are predator genes and penitentiary time is in store for many. Nature and nurture is a factor as to how genes trigger experiences and experiences trigger genes.
Many ask what difference does it make whether man believes in a God or not.
It makes a big difference.
It makes all the difference in the world.
It is the difference between being right and being wrong; it is the difference between truth and surmises – facts or delusion.
It is the difference between the earth being flat, and the earth being round.
It is the difference between the earth being the center of the universe, or a tiny speck in this vast and uncharted sea of multitudinous suns and galaxies.
It is the difference in the proper concept of life, or conclusions based upon illusion.
It is the difference between verified knowledge and the faith of religion.
It is a question of Progress or the Dark Ages.
Dark Ages Church On Sunday New Age Church On Sunday Atheist’s On Sunday
The history of man proves that religion perverts man’s concept of life and the universe, and has made him a cringing coward before the blind forces of nature.
If you believe that there is a God; that man was “created”; that he was forbidden to eat of the fruit of the “tree of knowledge”; that he disobeyed; that he is a “fallen angel”; that he is paying the penalty for his “sins,” then you devote your time praying to appease an angry and jealous God.
If, on the other hand, you believe that the universe is a great mystery; that man is the product of evolution; that he is born without knowledge; that intelligence comes from experience, then you devote your time and energies to improving his condition with the hope of securing a little happiness here for yourself and your fellow man.
That is the difference.
If man was “created,” then someone made a grievous mistake.
It is inconceivable that any form of intelligence would waste so much time and effort to make such an inferior piece of life — with all the “ills that flesh is heir to,” and with all the misery and suffering that is so essential a part of living.
If man is a “fallen angel,” by the commission of a “sin,” then disease and sorrow are part of God’s inscrutable plan as a penalty imposed upon him for his “disobedience,” and man’s entire life is devoted to the expiation of that sin so as to soften the indictment before the “Throne of God.”
Man’s atonement consists in making himself as miserable as possible by praying, fasting, masochism, flagellations and other forms of torture.
This sadistic delusion causes him to insist that others — under pain of punishment — be as miserable as himself, for fear that if others fail to do as he does, it will provoke the wrath of his tyrant God to a more severe chastisement.
The inevitable result is that Man devotes his life, not to the essentials of living and the making of a happy home, but to the building of temples and churches where he can “lift his voice to God” in a frenzy of fanaticism, and eventually he becomes a victim of hysteria.
His time and energy are wasted to cleanse his “soul,” which he does not possess, and to save himself from a future punishment in hell which exists only in his imagination.
Religious hallucinations take on many forms.
Some do not wash themselves; some wash only their fingers; some think that the filthier they are, the “holier” they are; some cut off their hair, while others let it grow long; some refuse to stand up, while others refuse to sit down; some amputate their genitals, and some their breasts; some pull out their teeth, and others wither their limbs; some fast, and others gorge themselves; some cover their heads with sand, and others with sackcloth and ashes; some talk continuously, and others remain silent; some are celibates, and others are profligates; some stand on their heads; some brand themselves, while others pierce their nose, eyes and ears.
Nuns cut off their hair to make themselves as unsightly as possible – to make themselves repulsive to the opposite sex; there are monks who have vowed never to look upon the face of a woman, and Franciscans still wear ropes around their bodies as a symbol of flagellation.
There is hardly a form of insanity or delusion that has not been induced by some sort of religious belief.
To laugh on the “Sabbath,” at one time, was considered the sin of sins.
How rightfully Robert G. Ingersoll said that, “Christianity has made more lunatics than it ever provided asylums for.”
On the other hand, we do not believe that Man is a depraved human being. We do not believe that there is a tyrant God, or that there is a hell, and that man will suffer the pains and penalties of eternal torment. We do not believe that you should make yourself as miserable as possible Here in the hope of securing some happiness “Hereafter. “
We do not believe that disease is a punishment for sin.
We believe that disease is a natural consequence of the processes of life, and that the “ills of the flesh” inevitably follow where one form of life lives upon another, and where “at the banquet of life each in turn is a guest and a dish.”
It is only by understanding the nature of disease that man has been able, even in a small degree, to protect himself from the ravages of its destruction.
The use of prayer to cure disease has been responsible for epidemics that have, on many occasions, almost wiped out the human race. Prayer has had no more effect upon disease than it has upon health. It merely permits the disease to continue its course and increase the suffering of the victim.
If priests – of all clans – were free of disease and immune to death, then there might be some basis for the claim of the religionists. But these “men of God” are victims of the natural course of life, “even as you and I.” They enjoy no exemptions. They suffer the same ills; they feel the same sensations; they are subject to the same passions of the body, the same frailties of the mind, are victims of circumstances and misfortune, and they meet inevitable death just as every other person. They commit the same kind of crimes as other mortals, and especially, because of their “calling,” many are notoriously involved in the embezzlement of church funds. Nor does their calling protect them from the “passions of the flesh.” The scandalous conduct of many “men of the cloth,” in the realm of moral turpitude, often ends in murder. That is why there are so many “men of God” in our jails, and why so many have paid the supreme penalty in the death chair.
They are not free from a single rule of life; what others must endure, they likewise must experience. They cannot protect themselves from the forces of nature, and the laws of life, any more than you can. What they can do, you can do, too. Their claims of being “anointed” and “vicars of God” on earth are false and hypocritical.
If they cannot fulfill their promises while you are alive, how can they accomplish them when you are dead?
If they are impotent Here, where they could demonstrate their powers, how ridiculous are their promises to accomplish them in the “Hereafter,” the mythical abode which exists only in their dishonest or deluded imagination?
Gary: Your beliefs are delusional and dishonest because, other than unrealistic myth, you have no real evidence concerning what you are saying.)
The illusions of life are many and varied.
Things are not always what they seem to be, and it is well known that “appearances are deceiving.”
That is why it is so difficult for some people to understand the nature of disease, and why it has taken man so long to comprehend the true conditions of life.
This deception prevails in matters of great importance, as well as in matters of little consequence.
There is no “voice of nature” to tell man that which is true and that which is false, nor to warn him of the dangers of life. He must find the truth for himself, and only after very bitter experiences.
The first piece of deception of man, after his so-called mental awakening, was his inability to conceive of any scheme of life except from his own primitive concept of limited intelligence.
He could not conceive the earth and the universe except as being “created,” and from his own feeling of revenge, he could not conceive of the suffering of life except as a punishment for some “disobedience.” Primitive though he be, he did not inflict pain and punishment upon the innocent. This diabolical scheme could only come from a “merciful” God.
As an illustration of this concept of primitive man in this respect is the delusion he experiences when he believes that the sun “rises and sets,” when as a matter of fact, it is the sun which is “stationary” as far as the earth is concerned, and it is the earth that “moves,” as Galileo so courageously maintained – at the cost of his liberty.
There is a delusion that the sun shines and the water falls from the clouds to make the flowers bloom.
To the religionist this is an indication of the “beauty” in nature.
It is nothing of the kind.
Poisonous plants and obnoxious weeds are equally nourished by the warmth of the sun and the moisture of the water.
The Allamanda Flower
Is this, then, an indication of the “ugliness” of nature?
Certainly not.
Both are inevitable consequences of the environment in which they live. It could not be otherwise.
Is the hippopotamus one of nature’s masterpieces?
Is its face and form the perfection of beauty and grace?
Would you consider this animal a work of living art if you were responsible for it?
And yet, if this beast could talk, it would probably say that its environment was made for its benefit and that its marvelous features, particularly its mouth, was especially “designed” for its enjoyment, and that its whole body was made in the “image and likeness of God.”
The fact that the hippopotamus has survived these millions of years of the evolutionary process and still thrives today is proof that it is equally as favored by Nature as is man.
To nature the blossoms of the flowers and the obnoxious weeds are identical, and the fragrance of the one and the stench of the other are equally alike; both, if they could talk, would boast of Nature’s preference for them.
While, as a matter of fact, both would be wrong.
The sun does not shine to bring us its necessary light and warmth without also bringing to light some new burden for our overtroubled hearts to bear; and everything in the universe shares the same and inevitable consequences.
While it is true that it is “an ill wind that blows no good,” it is also true that what is “one man’s meat is another man’s poison.”
To Nature matters of “great importance” and matters of “little consequence” are on an equal basis. The one is not “favored” above the other. It is the survival of the fittest, and not the most desirable that survives.
When conditions are favorable to the “wild” animals, they thrive by killing the other forms of life upon which they live, and when conditions are favorable to man, he kills and lives upon the forms of life which he considers exist solely for his pleasure and benefit.
To nature the germs of disease, as a form of life, are equally as important as the other forms of life that “breathe and have their being.”
When conditions are favorable to the virus of influenza and pneumonia, we have what is known as an epidemic, and when conditions are favorable to the growth of cancer, it has what we might term a “Roman Holiday” by destroying a third of our population.
Germs of disease are merely invisible wild animals.
They are forms of life that thrive upon the soil of the human body.
Prayer has about as much effect upon them as it would have upon the hungry tiger ready to devour you.
A bullet from a gun would be far more effective against the tiger, and knowledge of the nature of the germs of disease, and the discovery of the methods of destroying them, are comparable to the invention of the gun and its use against the ferocious animal.
The knowledge of the one protects you against the invisible enemies of destruction, while the invention of the gun protects you against being destroyed by the wild beasts.
The germs of disease and the hungry tiger are both determined upon the same objective – your destruction – one by eating you in “chunks” and the other by minutely gnawing you away “piecemeal.”
Swine Flu Germ
The results are identical.
It is not necessary to moralize upon the difference.
But this we know, that in our present scheme of life, as Ingersoll so eloquently states, “The hands that help are better far than lips that pray.”
Our bodies are as much “meat” for the disease germs that eat us as the animal that furnishes the meat for our appetites.
Or as Shakespeare puts it: …in the sweetest bud The eating canker dwells.In a broader and more comprehensive concept of disease, Shakespeare says, it is, as if a God omnipotent Is mustering in his clouds … Armies of pestilence; and they shall strike Your children yet unborn and unbegot….Who are you to say which one is the more favored in this scheme of life – the germs of disease or man – which one is preferred by nature; which one is more important than the other, since the ends accomplished are the same?
The life of the disease germ came into existence by the same process as did the life of man.
It is just as much a part of nature as is the dimpled babe.
If we cannot live without sunshine and water, neither can the germs of disease.
It might well be that we are nothing more than “disease germs” in the environment in which we live. The same basic construction by which they live forms the same pattern upon which our life is built.
To nature the night is just as important as the day, and the life of the germ we call disease is as important as the life of the body upon which it feeds.
It follows the same law of life; it is born, reproduces and dies.
There are forms of life that live by night that are equally as favored by nature as those which live by day.
Freaks of all kinds exist in nature – from the utterly ridiculous to the terrifying monstrosities. This is proof of the lack of design in Nature as far as man is concerned.
When man comes to the realization that he is not the “favorite” of God; that he was not specially created, that the universe was not made for his benefit, and that he is subject to the same laws of nature as all other forms of life, then, and not until then, will he understand that he must rely upon himself, and himself alone, for whatever benefits he is to enjoy; and devote his time and energies to helping himself and his fellow men to meet the exigencies of life and to set about to solve the difficult and intricate problems of living.
Could A God This Awesome Be Concerned With Your Tiny Sins?
The recognition of a problem is the first step to its solution –
We are not “fallen” angels, nor were we “created” perfect.
On the contrary, we are the product of millions of years of an unpurposed evolution.
We are the descendants and inheritors of all the defects of our primitive ancestry – the evolution of the myriad forms of life from the infinitesimal to the mammoth – from the worm to the dinosaur.
The most important step in the development of man is the recognition of the fact that we are born without knowledge, and that the acquisition of knowledge is a slow and painful process.
If all man needed upon earth was a “knowledge of God,” then why the necessity of establishing educational institutions?
Unless a child is taught to talk, it will never be able to speak the language of our tongue. Without teaching the child the rudiments of speech, he would be unable to communicate his thoughts to others. Without proper training his “grunts” of expression would be meaningless, and the only way he could express himself would be by the primitive instinct of making signs and by pointing.
The brain needs the same kind of training as any other part of the body that requires exercise for development. Nourishment for the mind is just as necessary as nourishment for the body.
Just as there are some foods which have been so adulterated and refined that when eaten they add no nourishment to the body, so there are truths which have been adulterated by religion and superstition so as to be utterly valueless in nourishing the mind with intelligence.
Education becomes the primary object of civilization.
As Thomas Paine says: “Wisdom is not the purchase of a day.”
The church knows that an educated man is an unbeliever.
That is why there is a continual struggle on the part of the clergy to adulterate education with superstition. To maintain their untenable position they must keep the people shackled to a form of mental slavery.
Gary: Do you, a believer, use your God and your religion to give you a sense of superiority, power and control over others? Is it because you do not like or accept others as they are that you attempt to manipulate them? Must they live by your values in their lives for you to accept them? Must you become the center of their values?)
Both fear and superstition are forms of a contagious disease.
The ignorance of man produced natural fears of elements of nature. What he could not understand he attributed to malevolent spirits whose primary purpose was to punish and harm him. Under this spell it seems almost incredible that he ever advanced from his state of primitive ignorance.
His fears produced such fantastic monsters of the air that it was first necessary to relieve his tormented mind of these terrifying myths of ghosts and gods before he was able to acquire even the simplest rudiments of knowledge.
Man’s ignorance and fears made him an easy prey of priests.
His gullibility was such that he believed everything he was told.
He soon became a slave to these liars and hypocrites.
And what did the priests tell him?
They told him that God had made a special revelation in a book called the Bible, and that it was necessary to believe every word in that book in order that he might save his soul. They told him that if he disobeyed their commands, he would suffer eternal damnation in a hell where “the fire never ceases, and where the worm never dies.”
They also told him that it was a sin for him to read that book, and that the priest was especially ordained by God to interpret the meaning of each and every word.
And what was the priest’s interpretation of the text of that book?
It was that man was a corrupt and sinful being, and that in order to be saved from punishment after death, he had to give a substantial part of the fruits of his labor to the priest to pray for him, and intercede with God on his behalf, so as to mitigate the punishment to which he had already been doomed.
What a diabolical scheme of fraud by which to live upon the sweat and labor of others.
It was such a profitable scheme that the priests began to maintain their power by the force of arms.
As a result there came into existence the twin tyrannies of church and state.
It seems incredible that such nonsense was ever imposed upon suffering humanity, and nonsense it would be were it not so tragic.
So fearful did he become that he thought that he could not live without the “protection” of the priests, and as Ingersoll said, “as long as people wanted Popes, plenty of hypocrites will be found to take their place….”
Ingersoll further declared: “The priests pretended to stand between the wrath of the gods and the helplessness of man. He was man’s attorney at the court of heaven. He carried to the invisible world a flag of truce, a protest and a request. He came back with a command, with authority and power. Man fell upon his knees before his own servant, and the priest, taking advantage of the awe inspired by his supposed influence with the gods, made of his fellow-man a cringing hypocrite and slave.”
As long as there is one person suffering an injustice; as long as one person is forced to bear an unnecessary sorrow; as long as one person is subject to an undeserved pain, the worship of a God is a demoralizing humiliation.
Demoralizing Humiliation
As long as there is one mistake in the universe; as long as one wrong is permitted to exist; as long as there is hatred and antagonism among mankind, the existence of a God is a moral impossibility.
Ingersoll said: “Injustice upon earth renders the justice of heaven impossible.”
Man’s inhumanity to man will continue as long as man loves God more than he loves his fellow man.
The love of God means wasted love.
“For God and Country” means a divided allegiance – a 50 per cent patriot.
The most abused word in the language of man is the word “God.”
The reason for this is that it is subject to so much abuse.
There is no other word in the human language that is as meaningless and incapable of explanation as is the word “God.”
It is the beginning and end of nothing.
It is the Alpha and Omega of Ignorance.
It has as many meanings as there are minds. And as each person has an opinion of what the word God ought to mean, it is a word without premise, without foundation, and without substance.
It is without validity.
It is all things to all people, and is as meaningless as it is indefinable.
It is the most dangerous in the hands of the unscrupulous, and is the joker that trumps the ace.
It is the poisoned word that has paralyzed the brain of man.
“The fear of the Lord” is not the beginning of wisdom; on the contrary, it has made man a groveling slave; it has made raving lunatics of those who have attempted to interpret what God “is” and what is supposed to be our “duty” to God.
It has made man prostitute the most precious things of life – it has made him sacrifice wife, and child, and home.
“In the name of God” means in the name of nothing – it has caused man to be a wastrel with the precious elixir of life, because there is no God.
Ingersoll could not understand the mind of those who, once having been told the truth, preferred to remain under the spell of superstition and in ignorance. He could not understand why people would not accept “new truths with gladness.”
He also knew, however, that once a person’s mind had been poisoned with religious superstition, it was almost impossible to free it from the paralyzing fear which destroyed its ability to think.
It is now established by verifiable evidence that religion stultifies the brain and is the great obstacle in the path of intellectual progress.
The more religious a person is, the more he is steeped in ignorance and superstition, the less is his sense of moral responsibility. The more intelligent a person, the less religious he is. There is an old saying that “where there are three scientists, there are two atheists.”
The countries whose governments are dominated by religion and religious institutions are the most backward. By the same token, the countries whose people are the most enlightened, and whose governments are based upon the principle of secularism – the separation of church and state – are the most progressive.
And let me tell you: When man is intellectually free, the progress he will make is beyond calculation.
What better illustration than this: More progress has been made since the Declaration of Independence and the American Revolution than was made in the previous five thousand years!
Yes, more intellectual and material progress has been made by man since the establishment of the American Republic than during all the intervening years from the Pharaohs of Egypt up to and including the time of “the grandeur that was Greece, and the glory that was Rome.”
And there is a good and valid reason for this.
It was because “in 1776 our fathers retired the gods from politics.” The basic principle of the American Republic is the freedom of man in society.
The Declaration of Independence was the product of Intellectual Emancipation, and that is why, from thenceforth, our date of existence should be recorded, not from the mythical birth of Jesus Christ, but from the day of our Independence!
This should be the year one hundred and seventy-eight in our calendar!
Despite discouraging signs here and there, the seeds of freedom planted by the American Revolution will take root, and throughout the world, if man will learn to zealously guard his freedom, Peace and Progress will come to all the world.
Could there be a more significant illustration than this:
Practically in our own lifetime, and certainly since the Declaration of Independence, man has wrought the most amazing achievements in the field of science and progress ever recorded in human history.
Not in their order, nor according to their significance, do I record the following:
Anesthesia was discovered.
Do you know what it means to relieve man of his pain and suffering? Anesthesia is the most humane of all of man’s accomplishments, and what a merciful accomplishment it was.
For this great discovery we are indebted to Dr. W. T. G. Morton.
Dr. William Thomas Green Morton
Do you know that the religionists opposed the use of anesthesia on the ground that God sent pain as a punishment for sin, and it was considered the greatest of sacrileges to use it – just think of it, a sin to relieve man of his misery! What a monstrous perversion! This one instance alone should convince you of the difference in believing in God or not.
No believer in God would have spent his energies to discover anesthesia. He would have been in mortal fear of the wrath of his God for interfering with his “divine plan,” of making man suffer for having eaten of the fruit of the “Tree of Knowledge.”
The very crux of the matter is in this one instance.
Man seeks to relieve his fellow man from the suffering of disease and the pangs of mental agony. The believers in God are content that man’s suffering is ordained, and therefore he accepts life and its trials and tribulations as a penance for living.
The fear of the wrath of God has been a stumbling block to progress.
When Dr. James Young Simpson sought to apply anesthesia to a woman in childbirth, the clergymen of his day foamed at the mouth and spat upon him with vituperation and abuse, for attempting to violate God’s direct command that “in pain thou shalt bring forth children,” as based upon the idiotic text of the Bible. But Dr. Simpson persisted despite the ravings of the religious lunatics of his day.
The importance of Dr. Simpson’s application of anesthesia to the relief of pain in childbirth, and his open defiance of the religionists, are beyond the measure of words to evaluate.
The X-ray was discovered in our time.
Professor Wilhelm Roentgen deserves our everlasting debt of gratitude for this contribution. Its application alone in the field of medicine makes it one of the greatest contributions to the service of man.
Dr. Karl Lansteiner’s discovery of the composition of the blood – made in our time – has been responsible for the saving of countless thousands of lives.
Blood was also feared by the religionists, and a taboo was placed upon all those who touched it, as being contaminated.
Even the dissection of the human body was prohibited by religion.
The study of human anatomy is within our own time, and the fruitful results of this scientific exploring of man’s physical structure are incalculable.
It is needless, I think, to tell you why the study of human body is so recent. Until the emancipation of the mind of man from the thralldom and shackles of religion, it was taught and believed as a “religious truth,” and maintained under penalty of eternal damnation, that if the human body was dissected, God would not be able to recognize you on the day of resurrection!
Such has been the paralyzing menace of religion that has prevailed over the mind of man.
The discovery of the chemistry of food and its application to nutrition has contributed more to the health of the human race than all the Gods, clergymen and priests since the dawn of existence.
Preventive medicine has accomplished amazing results in bringing health to, and prolonging, the life of the people.
Hygiene and its application have saved millions upon millions from disease and premature death. It has stayed the “hand of God” in his madness in spreading deaths from epidemics of disease.
Charles Darwin published his “Origin of Species” and the great principle of evolution was promulgated.
Modern emancipated medicine has reduced the infant death rate by more than 50 per cent, and has been responsible for more than doubling the life span of man within the past century.
Just think of it! All of this within our own lifetime!
All of this and more since the day of American independence!
And listen to these words of Dr. Paul D. White, founder of the American Heart Association. He said:
“Those of us doctors who graduated from medical school thirty to forty years ago, look back now at the almost unbelievable ignorance about heart disease that then existed. More knowledge has come since then than had been acquired in all the centuries before.”
Man was taught in the past that the heart, like the voice, was the “gift of God,” and it was too sacred for man to probe into its workings. What were the results? Millions died who could have been saved; millions lived as horrible cripples who could have lived a normal life if man in the past, had had the courage, that he has today, to seek relief from the terrors of disease.
Such is the amazing progress that has been made when man relies upon his own efforts to solve his problems, whether they concern his health, or his social or political affairs.
It was only within the past forty years that Dr. James B. Herrick properly diagnosed the cause of coronary thrombosis from which followed the amazing progress that has since been attained in combating this greatest of killers.
Dr. James B. Herrick
I, for one, wish to place upon the brow of Dr. Herrick my laurel leaf of thanks for his great accomplishment in medicine.
What wonders have been accomplished since the invention of the steam engine, the automobile, radio, television, electronic devises, and the thousand and one other discoveries and inventions too numerous to mention.
The educational benefit of the motion picture will far outstrip its entertainment value, and its use in nearly every department of learning makes it one of man’s most valuable inventions.
Think of Benjamin Franklin’s discovery of the relationship of electricity and lightning and the condemnation heaped upon him for his defiance of “The Prince of the Power of the Air.”
And of the Wright brothers, and the dire penalty they were to suffer for “flying into the face of God.”
Lightning, once feared as the wrathful manifestation of an angry God, was reproduced in the laboratory by that electrical wizard and atheist, Charles P. Steinmetz.
The telephone, wireless telegraphy, the steam engine, refrigeration, the washing and sewing machines, the mechanical weaving of cloth, and the myriad uses of electric and atomic power will make man the master of his destiny once he frees himself from the myth of a tyrant God.
Ingersoll best expressed man’s inventions and their uses when he said that, “Science took the thunderbolt from the gods, and in the electric spark, freedom, with thought, with intelligence and with love, sweeps under all the waves of the sea; science, free thought, took a tear from the cheek of unpaid labor, converted it into steam, and created the giant that turns, with tireless arms, the countless wheels of toil.”
Deprive man of the use of his discoveries and inventions of the past century and he will think he has been returned to barbarism.
Look what Thomas A. Edison’s invention of the electric light did for man – it lengthened his life, it gave more hours to the day, and increased his comforts beyond anything previously known or imagined, and added immeasurably to his joy of living.
Even Joshua’s fictitious performance of stopping the sun and the moon fades into nothingness when compared with this sublime achievement.
Nor must we forget Edison’s invention for reproducing the human voice – and please grant me a moment’s indulgence to say that I had the great honor to know Thomas A. Edison, and Edison honored me by calling me his friend.
If printing has been hailed as one of the world’s great inventions, what must we say of the phonograph? While printing preserves man’s thoughts on paper, the phonograph preserves not only his thoughts but also his voice!
The song of the skylark is no longer “wasted upon the desert air.”
Thomas A. Edison – the greatest of human benefactors – wrested from nature her most guarded secret – the mystery of the human voice.
Thomas A. Edison
He disproved, as it was once believed, that the human voice, like the heart, was the “gift of God.” He demonstrated that the human voice was merely the natural mechanism of sound produced by air of the lungs passing over the “cords” of the throat and larynx in the same manner as are sounds produced by the strings of a musical instrument.
As a result of Edison’s invention, man himself has already produced artificially every manifestation of the human voice!
If the voice was part of “God’s plan,” how do we account for its absence in the giraffe? This animal has no larynx and therefore no vocal cords, and as a consequence it cannot talk or make sounds with its throat!
The giraffe is proof of the lack of design in nature and the blindness of the forces of evolutionary life.
To list all the great discoveries in the field of science and medicine during the past century, such as aspirin, insulin, penicillin, and the streptomycin drugs would require the undivided attention of a medical historian and a veritable encyclopedia to record them.
And yet, there are still many diseases that plague man of which he has no knowledge. They eat and ravage his mind and body with excruciating pain and torture, and he is utterly helpless against them. He not only does not know their origin, but has not the slightest inkling of their nature or how to fortify himself against their attacks. He must sit, like a condemned criminal, in agonizing torture, waiting for blessed death.
If man, and the other forms of life upon this earth, are a mere by-product of an “over-all plan” of a “supreme intelligence,” then I denounce such a scheme as tyrannical and barbaric.
Why should we be made to suffer such excruciating pains and penalties of life to satisfy that from which we derive no benefit, and where death negates all of our efforts; and which makes the purpose of life, our hopes and desires, our ambitions and aspirations, a cruel mockery?
O prayer, thy name is failure!
O God, thou art a cruel myth!
You will not find a single mention of these great humanitarian achievements in the so-called “Book of Books”; not a single reference about the nature and cure of disease; not a word regarding those inventions that have so mercifully lifted the burden of toil from the backs of labor.
And there is good reason for it.
The Biblical writers not only had no knowledge of these things, but they had a perverted concept of life and the universe. Their concept was that man was a victim of blood pollution and his only salvation was by a blood atonement.
Blood Cells
I remember once seeing a small pamphlet entitled, “What the Bible Teaches about Morality.” On opening the little booklet, it was discovered to be nothing but blank pages! Another such pamphlet might very appropriately be published entitled, “What the Bible Reveals about Disease, Medicine and Health,” and blank pages should be used for all the Bible contains about these vital subjects.
On the contrary these benefits have been denounced by the believers in the Bible, and by the representatives of the Bible’s deity as being contrary to “God’s Plan.”
Does not the Bible plainly state that only by the sweat of his brow is man to labor for the bread he eats?
Here is the exact Biblical quotation: “In the sweat of thy face thou shalt eat bread…” and why? Only because he sought knowledge.
And does not the Bible God place a curse upon man for the knowledge that has been such a solace and benefit to him?
Here is another exact Biblical quotation: “…cursed be the ground for thy sake; in pain thou shalt eat of it all the days of thy life.”
The Bible is a lie. It is a fake and a fraud.
I denounce this book and its God.
I hold it in utter detestation.
Every man and woman who has contributed to the relief of the pain and suffering of humanity has been an infidel to the Bible God!
Every new invention, every new discovery for the benefit of man violates these Biblical edicts!
I say, seek knowledge – defy this tyrant God – it is your only salvation.
It is because of the Biblical curse on man’s search for knowledge, which has so paralyzed his mind during the past ages, and its detrimental effect upon progress, that makes the Bible the most wicked, the most detestable, the most pernicious, and the most obnoxious book ever published.
It has been a curse to the human race.
It is the duty of every brave and honest man and woman to do everything in his and her power to destroy the influence of this utterly stupid and vicious book, with its infantile concept of life and its nonsense concerning the universe.
It is their duty to do everything within their power to stop its demoralizing and paralyzing influence upon the life of man.
We will never achieve intellectual liberty until the wickedness of this book has been discarded with the belief in the flatness of the earth.
If you do not want to stop the wheels of progress; if you do not want to go back to the Dark Ages; if you do not want to live again under tyranny, then you must guard your liberty, and you must not let the church get control of your government.
If you do, you will lose the greatest legacy ever bequeathed to the human race – intellectual freedom.
Now let me tell you another thing.
If all the energy and wealth wasted upon religion – in all of its varied forms – had been spent to understand life and its problems, we would today be living under conditions that would seem almost like Utopia.
Most of our social and domestic problems would have been solved, and equally as important, our understanding and relations with the other peoples of the world would have, by now, brought about universal peace.
Man would have a better understanding of his motives and actions, and would have learned to curb his primitive instincts for revenge and retaliation. He would, by now, know that wars of hate, aggression, and aggrandizement are only productive of more hate and more human suffering.
The enlightened and completely emancipated man from the fears of a God and the dogma of hate and revenge would make him a brother to his fellow man.
He would devote his energies to discoveries and inventions, which theology previously condemned as a defiance of God, but which have proved so beneficial to him.
He would no longer be a slave to a God and live in cringing fear!
To build a church when a school house is needed is to perpetrate a theft upon education.
To build a church when a hospital is needed is to take from the parched lips of the sick the cup of relief and from the suffering the merciful hand of help.
When the object of man’s conduct will be to improve the conditions of his fellow man and not the appeasement of a mythical God, he will become more understanding and more indulgent of the frailties, mistakes, and action of others, and by the same token he will become more appreciative of their efforts.
He will develop a greater consciousness to avoid mistakes and to prevent injury. Life and its living will take on a greater significance, and our efforts and energies will be devoted to creating as much joy and happiness as possible for all living creatures.
Unless death is made a lesson for the living, the life lived is wasted.
Why should life come into existence only to be destroyed? One dies and another is born – for what? A few miserable hours of life – then oblivion!
With this recognition of the finality of death, no one should willingly withhold acts that would bring benefits, joy or happiness to others. In death, the hesitant act can no longer be performed – the word of praise is as impossible as yesterday’s return.
What perversity justified inflicting pain, suffering and death upon others who have done no wrong?
If death ends all, why fight while we are living? Why shorten life with unnecessary pain and suffering?
How futile are the petty problems of individuals, with their hates and jealousies, when all vanish with death?
All the prayers in the world cannot wipe out one injustice.
Every wrong is irreparable.
The dead cannot forgive.
All the tears and sighs are of no avail.
Forgiveness cannot be granted when lips cannot move. Praise cannot be heard when ears cannot hear; joy cannot be experienced when the heart no longer beats; and the happiness of an affectionate embrace can no longer be felt when arms are limp and the eyes are forever closed.
You are to make up your mind whether it is to be God or man.
Whether you are to be free or a slave.
Whether it is to be progress or stagnation.
As long as man loves a phantom in the sky more than he loves his fellow man, there will never be peace upon this earth; so long as man worships a Tyrant as the “Fatherhood of God,” there will never be a “Brotherhood of Man.”
You must make the choice, you must come to the decision.
Is it to be God or Man? Churches or Homes – preparation for death or happiness for the living?
If ever man needed an example of the benefit of the one against the other, he need but read the pages of history for proof of how religion retarded progress and provoked hatred among the children of men.
When theology ruled the world, man was a slave.
The people lived in huts and hovels.
They were clad in rags and skins; they devoured crusts and gnawed bones; the priests wore garments of silk and satin; carried miters of gold and precious stones, robbed the poor and lived upon the fat of the land!
Here and there a brave man appeared to question their authority.
These martyrs to intellectual emancipation slowly and painfully broke the spell of superstition and ushered in the Age of Reason and the Dawn of Science.
Man became the only god that man can know.
He no longer fell upon his knees in fear.
He began to enjoy the fruits of his own labor.
He discovered a way to relieve himself from the drudgery of continuous toil; he began to enjoy a few comforts of life – and for the first time upon this earth he found a few moments for happiness.
It is far more important to learn how to live than to learn how to pray.
A new day and a new era dawned for him.
His labors produced enormous dividends.
He looked at the sky for the first time and saw that it was blue! He searched the heavens and found no God. He no longer feared the manifestations of nature.
The stars, however, are not the alphabet upon which to read the destiny of man.
We not only do not believe that man is punished for his “sins,” but emphatically state that there is no such thing as sin.
There are wrongs and injustices, but no sin.
Sin, like purgatory and hell, was invented by priests, first to frighten, and then to rob the living.
We do not fear these myths and curses, and that is why we devote our time and energies to help our fellow man.
That is why we build educational institutions and seek, by a slow and painful process, to teach man the true nature of the universe and a proper understanding of his place as a member in society. At the same time we try to fortify his mind with courage to withstand the rebuffs, the trials and tribulations of life. That it is a difficult and arduous task no one can deny because we cannot correct all of “God’s mistakes” in one life time.
As Ingersoll so succinctly states: “Nature cannot pardon.”
Remember this: You are not a depraved human being.
You have no sins to atone for.
There is no need for fear.
There are no ghosts – holy or otherwise.
Stop making yourself miserable for “the love of God.”
Drive this monster of fearful tyranny from your mind, and enjoy the inestimable freedom of an emancipated human being.
The only duty you owe is to yourself and to your family.
The duty you owe to yourself is to do the best you can, and the duty you owe to your family is to endeavor to make them happy.
Emancipate yourself from these stultifying creeds, and protect your children from the contamination of religion.
Get off your knees, stand erect, and look the whole world in the face.
Get all the joy and happiness you can out of life.
Enjoy the fruits of your labor and waste it not upon the myth of heaven; support not the parasites of God.
Do not knowingly harm another human being; do not knowingly injure your fellow man.
All forms of life have feeling, do not make them suffer.
As Shakespeare says: The poor beetle, that we tread upon, In corporal sufferance finds a pang as great As when a giant dies.Kindness is a magic solvent.
While we know that sometimes “ingratitude is more strong than traitor’s arms,” we also know that “mercy is twice blest; it blesses him that gives and him that takes,” and, it should be remembered that while Loyalty is the most important of the virtues, Patience is the most valuable.
Become a courageous human being and do the best you can under any and all circumstances in this imperfect and troublesome world.
Be brave enough to live and be brave enough to die, knowing that when the Grim Reaper comes you did the best you could and that the world is better for your having lived.
A God could do no more.
I will stand between you and the hosts of heaven.
I am not afraid.
I will act as your attorney before the Bar of Judgment.
I will assume all responsibility.
My services are free.
Put the blame on me.
Break the chains of mental slavery to religious superstition.
Arise and become a free and independent human being.
Dignify yourself as a Man, and justify your living by being a Brother to All Mankind and a Citizen of the Universe.
Genesis 25:13-17 Ishmael had 12 sons who became 12 tribes.
Were the upcoming 12 tribes of Jacob / Israel but a counter to Ishmael’s 12 Arabic tribes?
Robert Alter Ph.D. Professor of Hebrew: The Biblical writers worked both sides of the street. That’s part of the greatness of the Bible. Ishmael’s, the “wild ass of a man” in Biblical poetry is probably a positive image.
Genesis 25:23 God answered (spoke to) Rebekah.
God does speak to women. So far God has spoken to Eve, Sarah and now Rebekah. Rabbis mostly discount women in the Bible.
Genesis 25:20-26 Isaac and Rebekah had twins, Jacob and Esau.
Genesis 25:28 Isaac loved Esau. Rebekah loved Jacob.
Malachi 1:3 / Romans 9:13 God said: I loved Jacob and I hated Esau.
Behold: God’s word is hated – not loved less.
Stephan Mitchell, writer, poet, Zen healer: God’s favoritism, from Cain & Abel onward causes great pain.
Genesis 25:31-33 Jacob got (bought or cheated for) Esau’s birthright. (About 1970 BC)
Q: Is Jacob another wholesome, moral God model? Jacob duped his father, Isaac, and stole his older brother Esau’s birthright. Jacob proves to be a thief, a liar and a con man. Don’t God’s heroes serve as models and show the impressionable that if you want something bad enough you lie, cheat and steal for it? Doesn’t it show that God will bless you for it, especially if your mom, whom God has talked to, is your accomplice?
Believer: None of these things would ever cross my mind.
Now that this is pointed out to you – does it register in your mind?
Believer: Na.
Bill Moyers: This is a story of a mother / son team of con-artists, who connive through trickery and deceit to cheat a blind man and his oldest son out of the family blessing.
Genesis 26:2 God spoke to Isaac.
Later, God spoke to Jacob.
“Hope” always has an anxiety with it and a sense of discontentment. If it were not for “hope” 90% of therapists and 100% of clergy would be out of business.
One’s “misery” is usually in direct proportion to one’s “expectation”.
Exposing all these controversial Biblical C&Vs settles nothing. It is what you personally think and feel about these C&Vs that settles things for you.
Genesis 26:7-13 Isaac lied to King Abimelech of the Philistines saying that his wife Rebekah was his sister.
Rebekah & Isaac
Just like Abraham and Sarah, Isaac did the: She’s my sister! She’s my wife con! Now, pay me off! God also made Isaac very rich. Was Isaac trying to be pimp number 2 like Abraham, his father, by God’s plan and consent? Did King Abimelech pay off Isaac like he paid off Abraham in Genesis 20?
Most parents don’t read these corrupt stories to their children because these stories tend to disturb both parent and child. Children tend to ask honest, point-blank questions. The parent may have to answer some sensitive questions concerning the Biblical God’s heroes’ ethics, fairness and morals that could prove awkward for all concerned.
When children hear these Biblical stories, most say innocently and accurately that God and His heroes were the bad guys. Is it when the children become parents that God is suddenly supported as the good guy? Why? Do parents tend to use God as an invisible supervisor and punisher on their children? Do children know right from wrong better than adults or does the God concept prove to be just an authoritative power-trip?
Note: The Old Testament Jews had no Satan, afterlife, Heaven, Hell nor salvation. Abraham’s “One God of Abraham” did it all. Some Jews started to write about Satan, afterlife, Heaven, Hell and salvation about 530 BC after being exposed and influenced by another religion. That story comes later.
Didn’t Abraham and Isaac both lie about their wives being their sisters? By these Kings taking their wives for sex, didn’t they both gain great wealth?
If your child did ask you what all this meant, what would you tell them?
Genesis 27:41-46 Esau bore a grudge for Jacob because Jacob got Esau’s birthright. He said: I will kill my brother. Jacob’s mother warned Jacob and sent him to her brother (uncle) Laban for safety – and to get a wife.
Uncle Laban Gave His Daughter Rachel to Cousin Jacob
Incest is best?
Genesis 28:1-2 Isaac said to Jacob: You shall not marry a Canaanite woman. Go choose a wife from among the daughters of your uncle Laban. Catholic
By Isaac saying this to his son Jacob, Isaac promoted incest.
God is Bible C&V documented to be against incest. Incest is just fine with these Biblical Heroes!
Why not a Canaanite woman? Doesn’t The Land of Canaan eventually become The Promised Land? Oh, that’s right. God’s “chosen” had to murder all of the men, women and children so to steal their land. Oops, an information leak of “God’s Evil Deeds!” Sorry.
Genesis 28:12-17 In a dream, Jacob saw a ladder with God’s Angels ascending and descending on it. He saw God above it Who told him that He was God and that He would be with Jacob. Jacob awoke, was afraid and said: Surely, this is The Lord’s Place. How dreadful is this place! This is the house of God, the gate of Heaven. KJV
What do you think of God’s hero who actually said that God’s house was dreadful?
Some prefer to hide behind nonsensical “faith” because the Bible’s, chapter and verse, facts are too painful for them.
Bill Moyers: For me, Jacob’s dream would be a nightmare. Knowing what happened to the people after they were chosen I would say: Oh no! Not me! Take Esau!
Thank you Bill Moyers!
Genesis 28:22 Jacob vowed to God 10% back of what he gets from God.
Ah, Jacob provides the 2nd example, after Abraham, of paying regular, systematic, consistent and routine 10% tithes?
When God re-names Abram, Abraham, he always remains Abraham. When God re-names Jacob – Israel, God still calls him Jacob.
Israel:
Is = Isis / Ishtar (Gods)
Ra = Sun God
El = Elohim (God)
Is-Ra-El = Israel: Hmmm, interesting…
Genesis 29:10-11 Jacob met Rachel at a well and kissed her.
Jacob Kissed Rachel at the Well
Jacob marries his Uncle Laban’s 2 daughters, Leah and Rachel. Jacob preferred Rachel whose Biblical hero son was Joseph.
But guess what! Leah is the wife that Jesus Christ’s lineage came through with her son, Judah.
Now for the bad news. You are probably not going to like this: Judah paid Tamar, his daughter-in-law for sex and they perpetuated Jesus Christ’s sacred lineage / bloodline. That’s one of 2 sex workers is Jesus’ bloodline. Rahab-the-Harlot comes later.
Believer: Well, I never!!! I never heard of that!!! And, how dare you write such a thing – even if it is true!!! I’ve never been so offended!!!
Hummm. Again, Jacob married his 4 cousins? That is incest. God commanded against incest.
In Exodus 2:15-21 Moses drove some men away for a well. Seven daughters told their father about him. Moses married Zipporah.
Zipporah means Lady-bird. That sounds like President Lyndon Johnson’s wife’s name. Coincidence?
It seems, in the OT, the old well / watering-hole is a sure fired place to meet the ladies, but only if you take sex serious.
Genesis 29:9-30 Jacob’s uncle Laban had 2 daughters, Leah and Rachel. Leah was older with lovely (weak) eyes (Torah). Rachel was well-formed and beautiful. Jacob met cousin Rachel watering the herds and kissed her. Jacob fell in love with Rachel and offered to work 7 years for her. After 7 years, Jacob asked for her but Laban, her father, tricked Jacob and brought him Leah, his elder daughter. Jacob consummated their marriage by having sex with her. Jacob asked Laban: Why did you dupe me? It is Rachel I worked seven years for. Jacob’s uncle Laban explained the custom of marrying-off the oldest first and then offered Rachel, for another 7 years work. Jacob consummated (had sex with) Rachel also and began another seven years work.
Leah, Rachel, Laban & Jacob
Isn’t the “good-book” full of lies and deceit? How about God’s Biblical Heroes? Is the Bible truly a “good” and “moral” model for your children? Does the Bible and it’s God promote and protect mental health?
Genesis 29:31-35 God saw that Leah was unloved. He made her fruitful while the loved Rachel remained barren. Leah bore four (4) sons.
Leah later bore Jacob six (6) sons total.
Ah, the diabolical-mind and character of God. Would God have Rachel die in childbirth?
Note: For me, the Catholic “Easy-English” Bible is often easier to understand and clearer than the KJV. However, its content is, on occasion, one or more verses off the King James Version.
Genesis 30:1-17 Rachel was jealous of (her sister) Leah and gave to Jacob her handmaid, Bilhah. Jacob had sex with Bilhah and she conceived twice, both sons. When Leah saw she ceased to bear children, she gave Jacob her handmaid Zilpah and he had sex with her. She also conceived twice, 2 sons. Leah paid Rachel with mandrake, a fertility aphrodisiac, for an evening of sex with Jacob and she bore a 5th son.
Ah, Bible “Viagra” for God’s Biblical Heroes!
Sons Of Bilhah & Zilpah
Torah Notes: Some say that Bilhah and Zilpah were sisters. Others say they were also Laban’s daughters. If factual, this makes them all blood relatives to our 40-year-old stud, cousin Jacob.
What?
Yep! The Torah notes actually infers that all four (4) of Jacobs wives were daughters of Laban. If true, that’s pure cousin incest! God’s “chosen” 12 Hebrew tribes were all founded on incest!
Genesis 29:13-14. This is more evidence of Bible incest as was Sarah being the half-sister & wife of Abraham.
Genesis 30:18-19 Leah said: God has given me my reward for letting my husband have (sex with) my handmaid. Catholic
Wow! God rewarded Leah for letting her husband have sex with her handmaid? Oh, the sin! God rewards sin! Or, a wife letting her husband have sex with another woman is not sin in the Biblical God’s eyes. Which is it?
Leah then bore a 6th son.
What? Wow! The immorality! This must be misinterpreted! Oh, the sin! Kids, close your eyes!
Genesis 30:22-24 Then, Rachel bore her first son, Joseph (who goes on to control Egypt).
Is cousin Jacob (the stud) lucky or what? Through incest / inbreeding (if the Torah notes are correct) Jacob’s twelve sons become the 12 tribes of Israel. Righteous and healthy genetic roots, huh?
There was really no reason for inbreeding as there were plenty of people on planet Earth at that time. This Biblical God’s behavior displays some pretty kinky ideas.
Genesis 30:39-43 Jacob cheats his uncle Laban, father of his (2 or 4) wives, by herd selective breeding techniques and becomes a wealthy man.
Here is more C&V documentation that Jacob, the sacred father of the Twelve Tribes of Israel, was a liar and a cheat. How could a “perfect” God choose such people?
Genesis 31:19-20 Rachel stole her father’s golden idols (controversial, pagan stuff). Jacob, behind Laban’s back, secretly departs.
Were Rachel, Leah, Bilhah and Zilpah all pagans too? I doubt if Leah was as she was in Christ’s lineage.
Genesis 31:31-35 Jacob said: I left secretly because I was afraid. I thought you would take your daughters away from me by force. If you find your gods with anyone here, let him not live. Jacob had not realized that his favorite wife Rachel had stolen them from her father. Rachel sits on and hides her father Laban’s stolen stuff and says: I cannot rise in your presence. The woman’s period is upon me.
Biblical reference: A woman did not perform due to having her period. Jacob, the father of God’s 12 tribes is an incest bigamist. Jacob cheats his brother and, along with his mother, coned his father. Jacob cheats, then sneaks away from, his pagan uncle / father-in-law, Laban. Rachel, the mother of 2 of the future 12 tribes is, by documented evidence, a thief and a liar. Is this all ok and to be overlooked by God – or you?
The 12 Tribes Of Israel
1. Reuben, Son of Leah
2. Simeon, Son of Leah
3. Levi, Son of Leah
4. Judah, Son of Leah – lineage of Jesus Christ.
5. Dan, Son of Bilhah
6. Naphtali, Son of Bilhah
7. Gad, Son of Zilpah
8. Asher, Son of Zilpah
9. Issachar, Son of Leah
10. Zebulon, Son of Leah
Joseph, Son of Rachel – there is no tribe of Joseph.
11. Manasseh, Son of Joseph’s Egyptian Wife
11. Ephraim, Son of Joseph’s Egyptian Wife
12. Benjamin, Son of Rachel
Genesis 31:52 With hostile intent neither may I pass beyond this mount onto your territory, nor may you pass beyond it into mine.
From Genesis 31:52, I, Gary DeVaney, developed a perspective that I call “22 Acres”!
Genesis 32:8 Jacob fears meeting his brother Esau. He divides his holdings into two (2) companies; hoping, if confronted, he would not lose more than one (1) of them.
God chose Ishmael and Isaac, according to the Bible and the Koran. For over 4,000 years, Islam, and Hebrews (Arabs and Jews) have slaughtered each other throughout Earth’s history. Islam, later brought war on 9-11-2001 to the USA.
Why does “The One God / Allah” require a constant buffet of sacrifice, destruction and murder between them, especially if He is the one God / Allah and the one boss over both of them?
Genesis 32:24-29 Jacob wrestled a man… KJV
King James stated just one (1) time that Jacob wrestled a man, not an Angel nor a God. The Catholic version, Genesis 32:25-30, emphasized Jacob wrestled a man five (5) times and then it turns “the Angel” (a messenger of God) into God Himself. This is evident because Jacob stated in verse 31 that he had seen God face to face.
Genesis 32:30 Jacob said: I have seen God face to face and my life is preserved. KJV
Genesis 32:31 Jacob said: Because I have seen God face to face. Catholic
Genesis 33:10 Jacob said to Esau: I have seen thy face as though I had seen the face of God.
When Jacob gets excited, it seems that he sees God’s face everywhere.
Did Jacob Wrestle a man, an Angel or the Biblical God?
Contradiction: Exodus 33:20 states no one sees God’s face and lives.
Does anyone see a major contradiction here? Do you? How would you spin or discount it?
Jacob had lied earlier to his brother Esau.
Jacob deceived his father for his stolen birth-right.
Jacob lied to his uncle / father-in-law Laban.
Character investigators may view Jacob’s word and credibility to be a little shaky.
How do you view Jacob?
Bill Moyers: To wrestle is the embrace of adversaries, not love. A Jewish friend of mine said: I wish Jacob had lost because our people have paid a price far greater than that wound on the thigh. It isn’t worth it to have been chosen.
Bill Moyers
John Barth: Professor / writer: “But that’s to miss the other side of God, the terrifying side of God. I would like your picture of God to be like the God in the Bible, but as I read it, it’s only half the picture. The other half is that He is a mysterious, terrifying, wounding adversary against whom we all struggle. The God whom Jacob confronts terrifies him.”
John Barth
Genesis 33:1-4 Jacob saw Esau approach with 400 men. He placed the handmaids with their children in front (to be slaughtered 1st) then, Leah and their sons next and behind them Rachel and Joseph. Jacob prostrated himself seven times as he approached his brother. Esau and Jacob just hugged and kissed.
Burt Visotzky: “Jacob puts the concubines and their children up front. He then puts Leah and her children behind them and Rachael and Joseph he keeps at the back. Then he actual cries out loud: If somebody’s got to go, let it be the front troops. We’ll save the guys in the back. How horrible it had to be for his sons to hear their father say: Ok, you guys in the front lines, you’re cannon fodder. If you die it’s not so terrible as long as the boys in the back are saved. The horror they must have felt.”
Genesis 34 Dinah, Jacob’s daughter, age 12, was raped by Shechem the Hivite. He fell in love and wanted to marry her. He, and his father, pleaded the matter of marrying her when Jacob’s sons became righteously indignant. They said that they would agree to the inter-marriage and forgive if all of Schechem’s men would get circumcised. They agreed and did get circumcised, and while they were in pain, Jacob’s sons and their men massacred Schechem, his father, every male and stole their wealth, flocks and made all their women and children captives.
Women – Children Captives
Aren’t these God’s “chosen” models who became the “sacred” 12 tribes of Israel?
Genesis 35:9-10 God appeared to Jacob again and said: You shall no longer be called Jacob, but Israel shall be your name.
Then, in Genesis 35:14,15 & 20, the Bible immediately refers to Jacob again as Jacob. Why? Jacob is called Israel 3 times and then Biblical scripture reverts back to again calling him Jacob.
A proper English teacher would probably criticize the Bible’s content and continuity.
Then, Genesis 35:21-22 starts out with: “Israel” moved on. In Gen 37, he is referred to as “Israel”, then starting chapter 47 it’s back to “Jacob”.
What? Of course it matters, due to the fact that God said: He would no longer be called “Jacob”. Why would the Biblical God fib?
The Biblical writers didn’t follow God’s direction, you say? It’s not important?
Then, at his death in Genesis 47:27-31, “Jacob” is suddenly “Israel” again.
Genesis 35:19-22 Rachel died in childbirth having Benjamin. Reuben, one of Jacob’s sons by Leah, had sex with Bilhah, one of Jacob’s concubines. When Jacob heard about it, he was greatly offended.
God takes Rachel, whom Jacob loved. Jacob suffered greatly. So, this is how God blesses His “chosen”.
But, don’t worry about Reuben’s transgression of having sex with one of Jacob’s women. God’s blind justice obviously peeks again.
Genesis 35:23-26 Jacob’s sons by Leah were: Reuben, Simon, Levi, Judah, Issachar and Zebulon; by Rachel were: Joseph and Benjamin; by Bilhah were: Dan and Naphtali; by Zilpah were: Gad and Asher.
The Family Tree Of Israel’s 12 Tribes
So what – you say? So, these 12 model sons started the 12 Biblical tribes. What is strange is Joseph did not become a tribe. Ephraim and Manasseh, Joseph’s sons by an Egyptian mother, became tribes. Why?
Perspective for debate: Mostly, how we were created and behave is promoted by our genes. Our behaviors are altered by reward and punishment (the tools of dog training) by those who raise, educate and assume authority over us. The need to “believe” is mostly a need to “obey”. Individuality seems to be instinctive in the genes. No psychiatrist nor brain surgeon has ever located, within the brain, where the sub-conscious mind / ego resides. The sub-conscious mind / ego has to function in relation to the genes. As adults, can we change or re-program our genes? If we stick to stubborn “belief”, won’t we remain unlearned, or the way we are? Thinking brings change. Only if we dare to think and grow, can we make decisions to change and better our lives. An unchanging ego, like the unchanging Biblical God, just can’t be wrong.
Isn’t questioning, searching for, finding and acknowledging facts better than living a lie?
Joseph
Genesis 37: Joseph, Jacob’s and Rachel’s oldest son, was hated by his brothers because he told them that in his dreams the brothers knelt down to him and he ruled them. They plotted to kill Joseph. Instead, they sold Joseph (age 17) to the Ishmaelites for twenty pieces of silver. They, in turn, sold him to Potiphar, The Pharaoh’s steward. (About 1870 BC)
Jacob deceived his father, Isaac, with a fur skin pretending he was his brother Esau. Jacob was deceived with a bloody coat by his sons saying his son Joseph was dead. What irony.
Genesis 41:45 & 46:19 Joseph marries Asenath, an Egyptian woman, and has two (2) sons, Manasseh and Ephraim.
Again, didn’t Ephraim become the biggest of the 12 tribes? Why did that tribe carry the name Ephraim, Joseph’s son who is half-Egyptian, instead of being called the tribe of Joseph? Wasn’t marrying a pagan Egyptian a sin for a “God-chosen” Israelite? Manasseh also had his own tribe.
Seyyed Hossein Nasr, PhD. Islamic Professor: The Qur’an speaks of Joseph as a prophet of great beauty, and the love between Joseph and Zulaykha, another great beauty, who is Potiphar’s wife. In the Islamic world many women are called Zulaykha. She is a heroine. Persian miniatures depict the love of Joseph and Zulaykha. She is a major romantic hero in Islamic literature. When Muslim women get married, they open the Qur’an to the story of Joseph.
Seyyed Hossein Nasr
They have a love never realized on the human plane but represents the intensity of the attraction.
Rabbi Burton Visotski: Joseph is 17 years old. He is very attractive to men and women alike and he knows how to use this beauty. He knows the full heat of a seventeen-year-old. How could he have resisted the charms of Potiphar’s wife. He’s damned if he does and he’s damned if he doesn’t. She is his boss. He is her slave. And she commands him to lie (have sex) with her. Maybe for the first time in his life he’s faced with a delicious choice and goes to jail for saying no. He is so sexually ambiguous that he appeals to both men and women. Like women, he is the one who gets caught in the trap.
Doesn’t Rabbi Visotski infer here that men are attracted to Joseph because of how Joseph looked and acted? What could the Holy Bible and Rabbi Visotski both be inferring here? Hummm…
Francisco O. Garcia – Treto, Ph.D. Minister: God does not appear in the story of Joseph as a character. I have to deal with the Joseph story and the Bible. It’s part of my tradition.
Phyllis Trible, PhD. Writer: The Bible is not a sanitized book. It does not have a single point of view. It comes to us full of conflicts and contradictions and problems. A text may one day be the word of God and another day it may not be the word of God.
Rabbi Burt Visotzky: The words don’t change. They’re always the same words, whether it’s Genesis or Deuteronomy. What changes is the way we read.
Bill Moyers asked Rabbi Visotzky: How do you read this and find God in it?
The Pharaoh of Joseph’s time seems like a nice guy. Did the relationship with the Jews turn the Pharaoh about Moses’ time 400 years later into a mean guy? Other than Joseph, didn’t the Jewish experience and their God turned out to be disastrous for Egypt?
Genesis 38:9-10 Onan, when he had sex with his brother’s widow, would waste his seed on the ground. What he did greatly offended God, so, God murdered him. KJV
Was it masturbation or the birth control that offended God? What? Both, you say?
Genesis 38:15-18 Judah saw Tamar and not realizing she was his daughter-in-law, asked to have sex with her. She replied: What will you pay me for letting you have sex with me? He pledged payment, and got her pregnant.
Judah paid Tamar for Sex
What kind of models has the “Holy” Bible given boys and girls over the generations?
Genesis 38:24-27 Judah was going to have Tamar burned for adultery until he found out the kid(s) were his. She (Tamar) conceived twins.
What hypocrisy! What would he have done if these twins were not his?
Tamar sold sex to Judah. Tamar proved to be at least a one-time hooker. Tamar, through her son Perez, was in King David’s and Jesus Christ’s lineage and bloodline.
Believer: What?
Sorry, don’t miss Hagar-the-Harlot. She also was in King David’s & Jesus Christ’s bloodline, lineage.
Morality check: Some object to taking issue with the Biblical God or God’s “heroes”. This Bible project takes issue with the evil and controversial C&Vs written in the Bible. Would you knowingly protect evil out of fear?
Genesis 39: Where Joseph stayed in Egypt, the Potiphar’s wife, Zalikhah, kept after him to have sex with her. He refused her and she told her master (husband) he tried to rape her. Potiphar threw Joseph in jail.
Islamic women, who are getting married, especially value this story?
Genesis 40-43 Joseph successfully interpreted some dreams with prison cellmates. One got out. Two years later the Pharaoh complained of bad dreams. Joseph’s former cellmate told the Pharaoh about Joseph and Joseph foretold the future of Egypt for Pharaoh. Pharaoh made Joseph the Governor of the country in charge of the grain, and food. Jacob sent Joseph’s eleven brothers, minus Benjamin, to Pharaoh to buy grain. Joseph recognized his brothers bowing before him. The brothers did not recognize Joseph. He called them spies and then threw them in jail for three days. Joseph kept one brother, Simon, in jail, and sent the rest of his brothers back to their father with full grain sacks and all their money. Jacob said: (42:36) Why must such things always happen to me? They took gifts, their brother Benjamin, double the money and went back to Joseph. Joseph invited them for dinner but did not sit with them. Egyptians may not eat with Hebrews; it is abhorrent to them.
Genesis 44-50: Joseph sent them all back with sacks full of grain, all their money and his silver cup. They were stopped and accused of stealing the cup. Emotions rise! Joseph comes clean and exposes who he really is and they are all one happy family. Joseph sends for the whole family to move to Egypt.
The 12 Tribes Of Israel
The 12 named tribes of Israel are: Reuben, Simeon, Dan, Levi, Judah, Naphtali, Gad, Asher, Issachar, Zebulon, Manasseh and Benjamin.
Question: What happened to the tribe of Joseph? His tribe is named after his son Manasseh, but the biggest tribe of Ephraim is missing? Why? Some inquiring minds want to know.
Genesis 47:27-31 Jacob requests a pledge of loyalty by having Joseph put his hand under his thigh (hold Jacob’s testicles in his hand) while swearing an oath.
The Tradition of Squeezing Testicles to Swear an Oath
So, apparently it is a tradition that one Israelite man would hold another Israelite man’s “balls” in his hand while swearing an oath. Wow! I’m glad that tradition never caught on.
This holding of testicles is also where the word “testify” comes from.
Torah Notes: Jacob’s family of about 70, comes to Egypt, builds over 400 years into a total population estimated to be between 2 to 3 million people – which Moses took out of Egypt. Actually, about 1 million were of other races and nationalities. Many were black Africans who joined in with the Hebrews.
This becomes Moses’ Exodus from Egypt. Their God promised them “A Promised Land” flowing with milk and honey. What could God have in mind for them? Peace? Harmony? Na, God kills most of “His Chosen” by ordered them to murder foreign cities full of men, women and children. God did this to steal their “Promised Land”.
Excerpts from Time Magazine, October 28, 1996:
Rabbi Burton Visotzky PhD used to think of God’s Biblical guys as heroes. He was an expert on the Torah. But by going through a divorce, he experienced a religious crisis: As he read the Torah aloud in temple, he saw Abraham and his wife bickering and acting appalling toward their children. The blinders fell off. He said: This dysfunctional family was my family in every way.
Rabbi Visotzky: “Abraham allows Sarah, his wife, to be taken into Pharaoh’s harem both to ensure the couple safe passage through Egypt and so all may go well with me.”
“Abraham got rich with Pharoah and did it again later. He’s an incest practicing pimp!”
G: Wow! Rabbi, you’ve got balls!
Rabbi Visotzky: “Sarah, who is barren, offers her slave, Hagar, to Abraham as a surrogate mother, but when Hagar gets pregnant, Sarah becomes jealous and abuses her.”
“Lot has sex with his daughters.”
Genesis 34:5-7 Jacob, enraged at the rape of his daughter, talked a group of men into being circumcised and then murders them.
Much of this is unpunished by God and seems to fulfill God’s purposes.
Here is an honest and courageous Rabbi with top credentials, exposing God’s Biblical models as being dysfunctional. Sometimes, I don’t feel so all alone.
A medieval Rabbi, borrowing from the image of the story of Noah’s drunken disarray in (Genesis 9:21), suggested that: “As dutiful children, let us cover the nakedness of our fathers in a cloak of favorable interpretation”.
Is this why believers cover-up God’s deeds?
Karen Armstrong, author / former nun: “God (in Genesis flood) is an undeveloped child. He has got to grow up and learn like the rest of us how to relate to other people”. (From Bill Moyer’s great book: Genesis.)
Karen Armstrong: “God is not some nice, cozy daddy in the sky. He is behaving in an evil way, introducing mankind to justifiable genocide. Noah, a damaged survivor, says no word about those drowning around him, much less tries to help them.” (Time Magazine.)
What and where is God?
Q: So, what need is there for any Satan or Devil except as a scapegoat for God?
Some do profess: God’s logic is impeccable – man’s understanding is wanting.
Settle the issue for yourself. Study your Bible for yourself, chapter & verse.
Conflicting dogmas: Man is inherently sinful. God created man in His own image.
Saint Jerome, who translated “the word” from Hebrew into Latin grumbled that many of the narratives were rude and repellent.
Samuel Proctor: Baptist Minister / Professor: “Many preachers are intimidated about discussing these things. There is nothing risked. God is God. We don’t need ignorance out there protecting God. The point is that humans can use their freedom in such a way as to make God sick and tired. God said (concerning the flood): “It grieves my heart. Bam! We’re going to start all over again”.
Rev. Roberta Hestenes: “This is a story in which the major player is God, not just the human participants.”
Jack Miles, author of God, A Biography: “Much of what the Bible says about God is rarely preached from the pulpit because, examined too closely, it becomes a scandal”.
Azizah Y. Al-Hibri Islamic-law expert: “In the Koran, it is Ishmael, not Isaac, who Abraham offered up as a sacrifice. Ishmael said very clearly to Abraham: Father do it, because we’re doing it for God”. Finis: Time Magazine.
Seyyed Hossein Nasr provides a contradiction: The Qur’an does not mention the name of the son of Abraham offered for sacrifice. Later Qur’anic religious authorities gravitated toward Ishmael.
Religious debates are no more than rearranging furniture while the house is on fire.
Wanna be like Jesus? Be a savior. Choose a sinful death-row inmate to love. Sacrifice your life by dying in his place. Sacrifice your soul to Hell’s Eternal-Torment in his place. God will be pleased by your sacrifice. Zealous believers may start a new religion in your name – and you may become a God. GWD
Composite Scenario:
A Fundamentalist Clergy: Ephesians 1:4-5 According as He hath chosen us in Him before the foundation of the World,.. Having predestinated us into the adoption of children by Jesus Christ…
We are told that it was all decided long ago, who gets saved. If God has already decided who is getting saved, then salvation is pre-destined.
For you to get into Heaven, God had to have written your name into His “Book of Life” long before the World was formed. That is certainly long before you and I were born on Planet Earth. If your name is not found in God’s ancient Book of Life, you cannot get into Heaven. Ergo, you are destined for Hell. If your name is in God’s Book of Life, no Satan – nor any man – can pull you out of God’s hand. You will get to Heaven.
Your Book Of Life?
Question: Mr. Clergy, are you sure that you are in God’s Book of Life?
Clergy: Absolutely! I am of God’s elect! I am saved! Praise God!
Question: Do you think that I am in God’s Book of Life?
Clergy: No! Because you wrote a condemning website criticizing God, you cannot be in God’s Book of Life. You are a Satan, an adversary, an accuser / prosecutor of God. You are destined for Hell.
Question: If I’m not in God’s Book of Life, what difference does it make what I do or don’t do? Under these written rules of the Elect, I’m lost due to pre-destination, a stacked deck.
Clergy: No! You have to be saved.
Question: How can you have it both ways?
Clergy: Faith! All things are possible through faith in God. Don’t think, use logic or reason. Repent! Have faith! Obey! Worship! Be a slave to God and a bride of Jesus Christ!
Question: Aren’t you promoting a slave mentality?
Religion?
Clergy: You must be a willing slave to God. You are not with The Holy Spirit. You are going to Hell! I’ll pray for you.
Question: By praying for me, are you presuming to improve God’s business? Aren’t you assuming that God doesn’t know what He is doing? Do you presume to know what’s better for me than what God has pre-ordained for me to serve Him for His pleasure?
Clergy: All I know is that I’m going to Heaven and you are going to Hell.
Question: What would you have me do if my going to Hell pleases God?
Clergy: Repent! Join my church. Support, promote and finance God and my ministry. Pay tithes and Jesus will wash away your sins with His precious blood.
GWD: I will not support nor promote such an agenda. I’ll pass. I prefer to be a thinking and knowing human being rather than a faithful, believing slave or puppet. Does A Resurrection Qualify For Salvation?
If there was proof of God – there would be only one religion.
Luke 7:11-15 The widow of Nain’s son rose from the dead. Matthew 9:18-25 Jesus arose an official’s daughter from the dead.
The Widow of Nain’s Son rose from the Dead
Jesus said she was just sleeping. Shall we believe Jesus? If we do believe Jesus, Jesus did not raise the child from the dead.
I Kings 17:17-22 Elijah raised a dead child.
II Kings 4:32-35 Elisha raised the dead son of a Shunammite from the dead.
II Kings 13:21 The bones of Elisha were touched by a dead man who came back to life.
Luke 9:28-34 Moses and Elijah came back to life at the transfiguration.
I Samuel 28:7-15 King Saul got the Witch of Endor to raise Samuel’s spirit for him.
Matthew 27:50-53 Jesus died, the Earth quaked. Tombs opened. The dead saints raised and came forth after the resurrection. The Centurion and the men with him watched over Jesus. They were afraid. Catholic and KJV
Resurrection? Webster’s: A rising from the dead or coming back to life.
Ergo, an obvious Biblical error. By timetable, Jesus had not yet been resurrected. Jesus had not yet been buried. The words after the crucifixion would have been more accurate.
John 11:43-44 Lazarus arose from the dead.
Jesus Raised Lazarus from the Dead
All of these people rose from the dead before Jesus rose from the dead. If one believes in this Biblically reoccurring phenomenon, just how significant is Jesus’ resurrection? Did Jesus resurrect in His flesh body or His transfigured body?
Acts 9:36-41 Peter raised Tabitha from the dead.
Acts 20:9-10 Paul raised Eutychus back to the living.
Were all who were raised from the dead also Gods, like Jesus? Coming back from the dead is no big deal with this Biblical bunch. Christians, obviously, are afraid of death to the extent they require eternal life. Christian faith and belief is obviously more connected to fantasy and feel-good than with historical and scientific integrity.
Ecclesiastes 3:19-21 For the fate of the sons of men and the fate of beasts are the same, as one dies so dies the other. They all have the same breath, and man has no advantage over the beasts; for all is vanity. All go to one place, dust to dust. Who knows whether the spirit of man goes upward and the spirit of the beast goes down to the Earth? Ecclesiastes 9:5 For the living know that they shall die, but the dead know not anything, neither have they any more a reward; for the memory of them is forgotten.
It can be comforting to perceive that a moment after one is dead, one remembers nothing.
Catholic Bible Notes state:
Genesis 5:22-24 Enoch never died. Enoc went straight to Heaven.
II Kings 2:11 Elijah never died. Elijah went straight to Heaven.
Isaiah 26:14 They are dead, they shall not live; they are deceased, they shall not rise.
I Corinthians 15:13-19 Paul said: If there is no resurrection of the dead, then neither has Christ been raised, then empty too is our preaching; empty too, your faith. Then we are also false witnesses to God, because we testified against God that He raised Christ, whom He did not raise if, in fact, the dead are not raised. For if the dead are not raised, then neither has Christ been raised, and, if Christ has not been raised, your faith is vain. You are still in your sins… If, for this life only, we have hoped in Christ, we are the most pitiful people of all.
Alright Paul! Who has said it any better? However, could I Corinthians 15 project the only honest and accurate words Paul ever said?
I Corinthians 15:32 Paul said: If the dead are not raised: Let us eat and drink, for tomorrow we die.
Well, maybe this one too.
Do some tend to feel and project that their needs are so much more important than yours? Do some Christians assume entitlements in the name of Jesus Christ by insisting that their needs should be satisfied even at the sacrifice and the expense of others?
John 20:1-8 Mary Magdalene ran to Peter and the other disciple whom Jesus loved and told them Jesus had been taken from the tomb. They both ran. The disciple (whom Jesus loved) ran faster than Peter and arrived at the tomb first. He bent down and saw the burial clothes but did not go in. Then, the disciple (whom Jesus loved) also went in, the one who arrived first at the tomb, and he saw and believed.
Jesus & “The Disciple Whom Jesus Loved”
Tim 6:15-16 It is Jesus only who has immortality.
What? Only Jesus has immortality and there is no resurrection nor eternal life for others? Then, what is all the urgency and sacrifice to get saved for?
Outside The New Testament, what history bearing nation has provided a history of Jesus? Josephus, a controversial Jewish writer, could be a source, but could that single source be an after-thought, post-scripted long after the time as many of the Gospels obviously were?
John 21:7-12 The disciple, whom Jesus loved, said to Peter: It is The Lord. They saw a charcoal fire with fish and bread on it. Jesus said to them: Bring some of the fish you caught. Let’s have breakfast.
One’s learning of a controversial subject can be predictable based on the mood or agenda one goes in with. If you feel depressed, defensive and are having difficulty- stop! Come back to it when you feel investigative, feisty, courageous, intelligent and clear-minded.
John 21:15-19 Three times Jesus asked: Simon / Peter, do you love Me more than these? He said: Yes Lord, You know that I love You. Jesus said: When you are old, somebody else will dress you and lead you where you do not want to go. Jesus said this signifying by what kind of death he would glorify God. Follow Me.
Is the kind of death you don’t want the kind of death that tends to glorify God? Wasn’t, in fact, Simon / Peter who was crucified upside-down in Rome?
John 21:20-22 Peter turned and saw the disciple following whom Jesus loved, the one who had also reclined upon His chest during the supper… Peter asked Jesus: What about him? Jesus said: What if I want him to remain until I come? What concern is it of yours? You follow Me. Catholic
Jesus’ relationship with “the disciple whom Jesus loved” is suspect and controversial – for those who dare go there. Yes, I dare go there.
John
Some believe in spite of evidence, not because of it. The concept of believing in Jesus has many virtues, but don’t some clergy view legalists as adversaries, sinners?
How does one know if or when one has faith? Is “having faith” merely gambling on luck? Can’t luck also be defined as unmerited gift? Does one assume or pretend faith? Is faith a feeling that one senses? Is it hypnosis? Can one be commanded to love someone, under penalty of consequence or persecution, body and soul? Can you love someone that you have never met, that you have only heard or read about? Doesn’t one have to be insecure or prejudice to hate other human beings? Do you really believe in ghosts? Is it easy for you to passionately love someone who has been long dead? Do you really look forward to “the harvest” knowing that it means the expiration of every human-being alive on Earth? Do you have that little dedication or compassion for survival of humanity?
For some, this material serves as a hair-trigger for emotional insecurity. Others may find it to be a breath of fresh air. Religion seems to encourage people to invent a personal fantasy world in order to resolve reality-based problems. Dreams often become living nightmares. Is the looking forward to eternity a form of escapism? Is it just another way to avoid the pains of reality? Anesthesia does exist and nobody sane wants to face a surgical procedure without it.
II Corinthians 4:3-10 Our gospel is veiled for those perishing. God has blinded the minds of the unbelievers so they might not see the glory of Christ. While we are at home in the body, we are away from God. We try to please Him whether we are home or away. We must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ so each one may receive recompense according to what he did in the body, whether good or evil. Catholic
What? Would God sabotage any human-being’s salvation? Why do Christians insist that one either supports God or Satan? Is there’s a third choice? Which one do you fear most?
II Corinthians 5:13 For if we are out of our minds, it is for God; for if we are rational, it is for you. Catholic
Dyslexia is when words get all mixed up in one’s head when one is reading. If one does not see this God as a villain of mankind throughout these documented deeds, one may be suffering from dyslexia or maybe just a lack of guts. If one should feel right at home with these Biblical contradictions, one may also be classified as a dangerous Schizophrenic.
Questions About Satan
Based on Biblical chapters and verse:
1. What does anyone really know about any Satan?
2. Where does Satan threaten to hurt anyone?
3. Do you have any Biblical evidence that Satan murdered anyone?
4. Does Satan have any commandments that he insists human-beings obey?
5. For what reasons would anyone fear Satan?
6. What is the worst thing that Satan can do to you or me?
7. Do you think Satan really exists?
Questions to believer’s sense of right and wrong:
If you create something, are you responsible for what it is?
Believer: Yes.
Do you believe in God?
Believer: Yes.
Do you believe that God created you?
Believer: Yes.
Do you believe that God will Judge you?
Believer: Yes.
Because God created you and God is responsible for the way you are, how can God judge you without judging Himself?
In 325 AD, the first Christian Roman Emperor, Constantine, ordered the Council of Nicea. Within a few years, the books of the Canon came about by vote. Jesus was also voted to be Divine. This is evidence that in religion and faith, truth is democratic. Facts have no regard for emotions nor politics. Political agendas and self-centered feelings often attempt to turn solid facts into bias and deceptive truths. Do you insist on being democratic when it comes to God?
Constantine Adopted The Cross & Christianity
So, is this the “End-Time” sequence?
1. I die. Yes.
2. Comes the 1,000 year “Millennium”. Yes.
3. Comes God’s “Judgment Day”. Yes.
4. Who judges me? God.
5. Who saves me? Jesus.
6. Isn’t Jesus God? Yes. God plays the Jesus role.
7. What is Satan’s role? God plays the Satan role.
Gary DeVaney: “Life is like a roller-coaster, not that it has ups & downs, twists & turns, or topsy-turvy, but that the ride is more important than getting there.”
C. Dennis McKinsey’s 2 excellent books are: The Encyclopedia of Biblical Errancy 1995 and Biblical Errancy (A Reference Guide) 2000 by Prometheus Books. Dennis was my mentor. I was on his panel for years. We fielded Bible questions from around the world. Dennis was a great friend.
Some argue: The Old Testament doesn’t matter. The New Testament replaced The Old Testament. Some claim, the NT is all that counts.
The Biblical Versions Of Easter
If all these conflicting versions of “The Resurrection” were given during under-oath testimony in court, how many of these written testimonies would be guilty of perjury? How much of this perjury was God inspired? If perjury was proved, how would the practice of swearing-in on the Bible be affected?
Perjury?
I highly recommend the above site and all its videos for clear explanations of Christianity and the histories of religions. Gary DeVaney
Who do you know hasn’t yet seen “The God Murders” website or “The Shocking God” videos?
Saul, a Benjamite, was anointed Israel’s first King about 1020 BC. Saul, a handsome man, standing head and shoulders above other men was highly favored by the Lord. But, once he began his reign, Jehovah (God) began to despise him. God continually tormented Saul by sending Evil Spirits to trouble him. David drove away the torment by playing his harp. Later, David killed Goliath for Saul.
God sent Evil Spirits? Must not God BE Evil to send Evil? One would think that would be Satan’s job. Oh, that’s right! No “Satan” character has yet been documented, C&V, by the Holy Bible. Satan is NOT mentioned until the 13th book of the Bible in 1st Chronicles 21:1.
I Samuel 1:5 God had made Hannah barren.
Oh, the drama of God’s barren, reproductively dysfunctional women! This is a tip-off that one of God’s “sacred heroes” is in the making.
I Samuel 1:11 Hannah made a vow: O God, give me a male child and I will give him to You for as long as he lives. Neither wine nor liquor shall he drink.
Hannah, the mother of the Prophet Samuel
This God’s chosen will not drink wine or liquor? Let’s see if he still commits murder or if he performs any other hideous acts without the influence of booze.
I Samuel 1:20 Hannah bore a son she called Samuel.
I Samuel 2:6-7 God kills, and makes alive; He makes the rich and the poor. KJV
It looks like no character named Satan has anything to do in these categories.
I Samuel 2:21 Hannah gave birth to 3 more sons and 2 daughters.
Amazing! First, she was barren, then she produces five more kids in additional to Samuel?
I Samuel 2:22 God’s priests are misusing tithes and having sexual relations with women who serve at the meeting tent entrance.
Maybe they were the sacred forefathers of Swaggart.
I Samuel 2:34-35 God will put them to death which will gives rise to the priest, Samuel.
I Samuel 4:2 The Philistines (by God’s wrath) slew 4,000 Jews.
The Combat with the Philistines
I Samuel 4:10-11 God killed 30,000 more Israelites and the two (2) bad priests.
Did God cause all this death just because the 2 priests had intercourse with the women at the temple and misused some tithes? Why did 34,000 have to die for that? Is this fair?
I Samuel 5:1 The Philistines captured the Arc of the Lord.
I Samuel 5:6 God ravaged the city of Ashdod with hemorrhoids and mice.
This God must have a sense of humor.
I Samuel 5:12 Those who escaped death were afflicted with hemorrhoids.
I Samuel 5:4-21 As a guilt offering to God, the Philistines made 5 golden hemorrhoids and 5 golden mice; then sent them with the Arc back to the Israelites.
I Samuel 6:19 The descendants of Jeconiah did not join in the cerebration. When they greeted the Arc, for their irreverence, 70 of them were struck down. Catholic
God murders those who don’t show up for His parade? Look, the same Passage:
I Samuel 6:19 God slaughtered 50,070 men because they looked into the Arc of God. KJV
Ark Of Covenant
The King James Version differs only about, 50,000, or so. Oh, what to believe?
I Samuel 9:2 There was no other Israelite handsomer than Saul (a Benjamite 9:21. This must include David.). He stood head and shoulders above the people.
Wouldn’t popular dogma state that it was David who was the good-looking one?
I Samuel 10:1 Samuel tells Saul: God appoints you to govern God’s people, Israel.
Behold, God no longer talks directly with his heroes, but only through His prophets.
I Samuel 10:6-7 God will change you into another man. Do what you judge feasible because God is with you.
I Samuel 10:9 As Saul left Samuel, God gave him another heart.
You would think Saul would succeed because of this hype, but God turns on him.
I Samuel 11:6-7 God caused Saul to become angry. Saul cut a yoke of oxen to pieces and said: If anyone does not follow Saul, the same will be done to his oxen.
Whoa, Saul. You do have God’s bedside manner.
I Samuel 12:18 All the people dreaded God and Samuel. Catholic
I Samuel 13:13 Samuel said: Saul’s kingdom shall not endure.
I Samuel 14:14 Jonathan (Saul’s son) and his armor bearer slew about 20 men.
I Samuel 14:36 Saul said: Let’s pursue the Philistines to kill them all.
I Samuel 14:42 Saul said: Cast lots between me and my son Jonathan.
Casting Lots
Casting lots is gambling. Saul, God’s anointed, ordered gambling? Oh sin! Sin, I say!
I Samuel 14:47 After becoming king of Israel, Saul waged war on all their surrounding enemies.
I Samuel 14:52 When Saul saw any strong or brave man, he took him into his service.
Is this where the United States Government got its model for its military draft system?
I Samuel 15:3 God ordered Saul: Do not spare them. Go murder men, women, children and infants…
Can God’s orders be any clearer? What about: Thou shalt not kill?
I Samuel 15:8-9 Saul killed all the rest of the people; but, Saul spared King Agag, alive.
I Samuel 15:10-11 God said: I regret having made Saul King. He has not kept My command.
Saul refused to murder all whom God wanted murdered. Don’t you just hate it when a God whines and regrets just because you would not get down and murder all whom He wanted murdered?
I Samuel 15:18-19 Samuel, Gods prophet, said: Saul, go exterminate them. Why have you disobeyed the Lord?
I Samuel 15:22 Samuel said to Saul: Does the Lord delight in holocaust and sacrifices as in obedience to the command of God? Obedience is better than sacrifice; submission is better than the fat of rams. Sin is rebellion. Because you have rejected God’s command, God has rejected you as ruler.
God ordered Saul to murder all – with no prisoners. Saul was too nice. So, God wanted to eliminate Saul as His first anointed King, whose heart God reportedly had changed.
Does this God really have the power to change the hearts, or the wills of His “chosen”? Apparently not.
I Samuel 15:25-28 Saul asked to be forgiven. Samuel said: You rejected the command of God and God rejects you as King of Israel. God has torn the Kingdom of Israel from you and has given it to a neighbor of yours, who is better than you.
Saul Asking for forgiveness
I Samuel 15:32-35 Samuel commanded to bring King Agag to him and Samuel murdered the King before God. Samuel grieved over Saul, for God regretted having made Saul King of Israel.
Samuel, God’s prophet, performs murder for this God. Do you think any other of God’s sacred prophets or leaders will perform murder in the name of this God?
This omnipotent, all-powerful, know-it-all God regrets? God is sorry? Sad? What?
I Samuel 16:1-2 God asked Samuel how long he would grieve for Saul whom God had rejected. God said: I am sending you to Jesse, for I have chosen My King from his sons. Samuel asked God: How can I go, for Saul will hear of it and kill me. God told Samuel to say (this lie): Take a heifer and say: I’ve come to sacrifice to God.
God’s intention was for Samuel to appoint another King.
Right here, God told Samuel, His sacred prophet, even what lie to use.
I Samuel 16:7 God “brags” to Samuel: Man does not see as God sees. Man sees the appearance, but God looks into the heart.
What? Did God successfully see into Saul’s heart? Well, did He? What confusion!
I Samuel 17:48-51 David faces the challenge of combat with the enemy Philistines and slays the giant, Goliath, and cuts off his head.
Doesn’t this conflict with the Catholic version of II Samuel 21:19 El-hanan killed Goliath of Gath?
The Catholic Bible states that El-hanan killed Goliath of Gath whereby the KJV has El-hanan killing Goliath’s kin.
I am confident clergy can find a spin for this rarely mentioned find. Clergy spin examples:
This Goliath was David’s Goliath’s grandfather, mother, grandnephew, mistress or from another dimension, parallel world, wormhole or a spiritual revelation. Herein is your proof that this is not the Goliath our sacred hero David killed. Believe it! Send money!
My Catholic Bible has Goliath at 6½ feet tall in I Samuel 17:4. That’s the average height of the players in the National Basketball Association (NBA). Other Bibles have Goliath over 6 cubits (a cubit: from the elbow to the finger tip or about 18 inches) or over 9 feet tall.
I Samuel 17:51-52 The Philistines fled and were cut down along the roadside.
The Philistines Flee
I Samuel 18:7-11 The women sang: Saul has slain his thousands and David his ten thousands. Saul was jealous of David. An evil spirit from God came over Saul who posed his spear thinking to nail David to the wall.
So, David became a super-murderer? An evil spirit came from whom? Is an “evil spirit” just an evil or bad feeling? Do gods exist or are they just hyped up ego-oriented feelings that constantly spin denials? Can you calmly explain this?
I Samuel 18:20-21 Saul used his daughter as a bribe to get David to kill for him. Saul wanted to let the Philistines kill David. When it was time for Saul to give his daughter to David, she was given in marriage to another, instead.
I Samuel 18:25-27 David is given a task to deliver 100 Philistine foreskins for a dowry. David murders 200 Philistines, circumcises their corpses to win Saul’s daughter, Michal.
David goes beyond duty and orders to kill an extra 100 men for Saul’s daughter?
How many troops did he lose to kill that extra 100 men? Doesn’t it matter?
I Samuel 19:1-2 Saul discussed his intention to murder David with his son Jonathan (who told David).
I Samuel 19:6 Saul headed Jonathan’s plea and swore: As God lives, David shall not be killed.
Obviously, it was not Saul’s intention to kill David, so, Who is really behind all this?
I Samuel 19:9-10 An evil spirit from God came upon Saul and he tried to nail David to the wall with a spear. David got away. Saul commanded: Bring David up to me in bed so that I may kill him.
Saul and He Tried to Nail David
Q: Isn’t this written evidence that evil spirits come from God?
Believer: No!
Q: Why?
Believer: Because, we don’t want it to be that way. God’s reality is not a feel-good! We want – no, we demand hope!
I’m going to Heaven! You’re going to Hell! Praise God!
I Samuel 19:20-24 Saul stripped naked and acted crazy.
I Samuel 21:11-14 David fled from Saul to King Achish. David was afraid of him and acted like a madman, drooling on his beard.
I Samuel 22:1-2 David fled to a cave and became the leader of about 400 embittered men.
I Samuel 22:17-19 Saul commanded: Kill the priests of the Lord for they assisted David. 85 priests were killed that day. Saul also put the city of Nob to sword including the men, women, babies and animals.
Killing The Priests
It looks as if God’s evil spirit took well with Saul, if you’re in to that sort of thing.
I Samuel 23:5 David kills the Philistines to rescue the city of Keilah.
I Samuel 23:16-18 Saul’s son Jonathan, in the Lord, said to David: Have no fear, my father, Saul, will not lay a hand on you. You shall be the King of Israel and I will be second to you. My father Saul knows this. They made an agreement before God.
I Samuel 24:7-23 David would not permit his men to attack Saul. Instead, he cut off part of Saul’s mantle to let him know he could have. Saul said: You are right and I am wrong. You will surely be King over Israel. Please don’t kill my descendants. David gave his oath.
Want to bet David does murder some of King Saul’s descendants and break his oath? How much? I live in Las Vegas. It’s ok for me to gamble. What? It’s not ok for you?
I would not bet you on this because for one who knows to bet a believer is pure theft.
I Samuel 25:1 God’s prophet Samuel died.
Did you like Samuel? Why? Why not?
I Samuel 25:2-34 David wanted a festival on Nabal’s property. Nabal insulted David by not acknowledging him, so David came to murder Nabal and his people. Abigail, Nabal’s wife, took gifts and pleaded with David and said her husband, Nabal, was a fool. David blessed her and said that she prevented him from murdering to avenge himself, personally. David said: As God lives, who has restrained me, if you had not come down, so quickly, to meet me; by dawn, Nabal would not have had a single man or boy left alive.
Talk about insanity and ego. David is bound to be King as he is a chip off the old God.
I Samuel 25:35-39 David took her gifts and told her to go home in peace as he had granted her request as a personal favor. Ten days later, God murdered Nabal. David said: Blessed is God for he requited the insult I received from Nabal, and who restrained me from doing evil punished Nabal for his own evil deeds.
David Taking Abigail Gift’s
Nabal died. David blesses God for it? What an ego! Would David take Nabal’s wife?
I Samuel 25:39-43 David married Abigail, Nabal’s wife, and also took Ahinoam for his wife. But, Saul gave David’s wife, Michal, Saul’s own daughter, to Palti, son of Laish.
This is another Biblical similarity as Samson was insulted when his wife married his best man. And one wonders where our redundant TV soap operas came from.
I Samuel 26:9-25 David walked through Saul’s, God induced, sleeping camp, took his spear and water jug and said: Don’t harm Saul. Who can lay hands on God’s anointed and remain unpunished? It must be God, himself, who will murder him. David yelled to Saul, that he, David, did nothing wrong. Saul yelled back that he, Saul, was wrong, and told David that he would succeed at whatever he did and Saul went home.
I Samuel 27 With 600 men, David went back to King Achish and lived with the Philistines for 1 year and 4 months. David would attack and raid Israel’s foes and leave no one alive. He would bring the spoils back to King Achish who was fooled to believe that David was killing Israelites and was detested by his people.
Who said beliefs are what fools are made of?
I Samuel 27:12 King Achish (of the Philistines) trusted David, thinking David must certainly be hated by his people, Israel, and that David would be his subject forever.
I Samuel 28:1-2 Achish said to David: You and your men must go on a campaign with me against Israel. David said: Good, now you can learn what your servant can do. Achish made David his permanent bodyguard.
I Samuel 28:3-19 Samuel had died. Saul drove out the mediums and fortune tellers from the land. Saul consulted God who refused to answer, so, he consulted The Witch of Endor. She conjured up Samuel, who was cranky. Samuel said God was angry because Saul did not destroy Amalek and that God would destroy Saul by using the Philistines against him.
The Witch of Endor
I Chronicles 10:13 Saul broke God’s law by consulting a medium.
I Samuel 29 The Philistine chiefs did not trust David and demanded Achish leave David behind. Achish told David: As God lives you are honest. I should be pleased you would be with me. Since the day you arrived, I have found nothing wrong with you; but, you are not welcome with the lords. Leave, and don’t displease the Philistine lords. David asked: What have I done that I cannot fight against the enemies of my lord, the King? Achish answered: You are acceptable to me, but not the Philistine chiefs. So, David and his men left to return to the land of the Philistines.
I Samuel 30: The Amalekites had stormed their city, and took all of their people captive. David’s wives were included. David’s men spoke of stoning David. They attacked the Amalekites and got everybody back and lots of booty that they all shared equally with all the cities taken by David and his men.
I Samuel 31 The Philistines attacked Israel killing all three of Saul’s sons. Saul was hit in the abdomen with an arrow and ordered his armor-bearer to finish him off. He refused. Saul fell on his own sword. His armor-bearer did likewise and died with him. The Philistines cut off Saul’s head, hung his body on a wall, then cremated him.
Saul fell on His Own Sword
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I Kings 1:1-4 King David tried, but was too old and impotent, to have sex with Abishag, a beautiful virgin. The spirit was willing, but the flesh was weak, so the King got no heat. Abishag gave David heat.
Abishag attending to old King David
I Kings 1:5-35 Adonijah, another of David’s sons, displayed ambition to be King. The priest, Abiathar and King David’s own General, Joab, supported him. Many did not. They supported Solomon. Nathan got Bathsheba to tell David that Adonijah was King and that she and Solomon will be considered criminals. David answered: Solomon should reign after me. Nathan, do a ceremony, then put Solomon on my throne. I designate Solomon to be the ruler of Israel and Judah.
I Kings 1:41-43 Adonijah is told that King David had made Solomon King. Adonijah’s guests all fled in terror, each going his own way. Adonijah seized the horns of the altar and said: Let King Solomon swear he will not kill me. Solomon said: If he is innocent, he will live, if guilty, he will die.
This happened in about 962 BC.
I Kings 2:1-11 David turns on Joab, his main General, and ordered his son, Solomon, to kill him. I swore to Shimei, that by God, I would not murder him. Solomon, you murder him. David died after being King of Israel for 40 years.
On his death bed, David talks of God and orders his son, Solomon, the new King, to murder his General Joab and Shimei for him.
Shimei
1 Kings 2:36-46 Solomon had Shimei murdered.
Many believers worship the Biblical God and view King David to be God’s hero. David ordered his son Solomon to murder Joab and Shimei on his deathbed. What a hard-core, murderous model David is. The Israelites had no afterlife, no Satan, no Heaven or Hell so David had no fear of last-minute murdering even though he was about to die. David doesn’t view his murdering to be a sin. David feels that he is far above God’s law: “Thou shalt not kill”.
It has become evident that this God’s law was actually meant to be: “Thou shalt not kill except on My terms.”
Note: In the New Testament, both Matthew 1-16 and Luke 3:23-38, with a total discrepancy in names, trace Jesus Christ’s genealogy back through King David. It may surprise you that it was not through His mother Mary, but through His “father” Joseph. Why Joseph? Wasn’t Jesus a “virgin birth”? Believing is such nonsense when contradictory facts do exist.
Matthew 1-16 depicted Jesus’ lineage starting with Abraham, going forward in time through Joseph. An important controversy in the book of Matthew is that King David’s son Solomon is in Jesus Christ’s blood lineage. It ends up going through Joseph which, again, has to be bogus due to the “virgin birth”.
Luke 3:23-38 reverses the blood lineage order from Jesus all the way back to Adam, starting with Joseph again but goes through Nathan, another of David’s sons.
Some clergy spin that this really defines Mary’s lineage, not Joseph’s, because women were not equal and were not mentioned in legal or marriage matters. Some clergy spin that it was Mary’s father who the lineages define. Clergy still has not figured out a plausible spin.
I Kings 2:13-25 Solomon’s older brother, Adonijah went to Bathsheba and said: You know that the Kingdom was mine and all of Israel expected me to be King. But God gave it to Solomon. Would you ask King Solomon to give me Abishag to be my wife? Bathsheba asked Solomon but Solomon had his brother, Adonijah, murdered.
King David
Kings 2:28-46 Solomon ordered Joab murdered in the tabernacle because he had killed some men without his father, King David’s, knowledge. God put blood upon Joab and his seed forever, but upon David’s seed shall there be peace forever from the Lord.
By now, this behavior is predictable. Can’t we already see why Solomon was chosen, by God, to be King?
I Kings 3:1 Solomon married The Pharaoh of Egypt’s daughter.
She was not an Israelite. Normally, God got angry and murdered His Israelites when they married outside their race / tribes.
I Kings 3:4 Solomon loved God and obeyed the statutes of his father David. He offered 1,000 burnt-offerings (sacrifices) at the altar and burned incense.
Isn’t that overkill even for a blood-thirsty and burnt-gut-smelling God? God loved the smell of burnt fat from around the organs.
I Kings 3:7-9 Solomon asked humbly of God to become wise. It pleased God, so, God gave Solomon wisdom, an understanding heart like none before him.
I Kings 3:9 Solomon asked God: Give your servant an understanding heart to judge people and to distinguish right from wrong.
Some people stretch and interpret wisdom in this case to be obedience. Actually here, Solomon asked for wisdom and judgment, to know right from wrong. With all his crazy murdering he could use a dose of knowing right from wrong. Let’s see if any right and wrong judgment takes place. Will Solomon’s wisdom last throughout his lifetime? Remember, in Genesis, God didn’t want people to have knowledge and wisdom. Has the unchanging God changed?
I Kings 3:14-15 God tells Solomon: If you keep My statutes and commandments as David did, God will lengthen your days.
Murder? Theft? Adultery? Coveting wives and property? Which of God’s commandments did David keep? No. Really. Which ones?
I Kings 3:16-27 Two harlots (prostitutes, hookers) came to the King, each with stories of one living, one dead child. One mother had made a mistake and her child was dead. She took the other mother’s child claiming it to be her own. Solomon had to decide who was truthful. Solomon said to divide (cut up) the child equally. The real mother said: Give to the other mother the living child. Solomon gave it to the real mother as she could not stand to see her child die.
Wise Solomon said to cut up the child equally
But, what if these monkey-minds had blindly obeyed King Solomon? There would have been another sliced and diced child.
I Kings 8:63 Solomon sacrificed to God 22,000 oxen and 120,000 sheep.
I Kings 9:20-21 Of the children that Israel was not able to destroy, Solomon conscripted all non-Israelites as forced laborers / slaves.
God, again, saw no problem concerning slavery.
I Kings 10:1-13 The Queen of Sheba was impressed with Solomon’s wisdom.
Solomon was so obsessed by the Queen of Sheba that he wrote the greatest love poem of all time: “The Song of Songs”. Solomon, our God’s-chosen Biblical hero, had God condoned, sex with a black woman who was not a Hebrew, Jew, Israelite. Solomon proved to have some virtue in that he was not a racist. This woman, the Queen of Sheba, is recorded evidence by Assyrian 8th century B. C. inscriptions, that at one time, there were women rulers in the Arab world in what is now called Yemen and Ethiopia.
Back in the Book of Deuteronomy 17:15-17 God had said: You may set a King over you that God will choose. He shall not multiply for himself wives nor gold and silver.
I Kings 10:23 Solomon surpassed in riches and wisdom all the Kings on Earth.
I Kings 11:3 Solomon had 700 wives and 300 concubines.
Multiply X 1,000
Solomon multiplied his wives and wealth against God’s command. This validates questioning the Biblical God’s powers, control and integrity. Also, this again, questions God’s ability to choose well concerning His chosen heroes. If modern-day governments are corrupt, check to see if they are following, obeying, worshiping, promoting and financing this God-model.
1 Samuel 10:9 God had chosen Saul to be King, God changed Saul’s heart. God’s change of Saul’s heart failed. So, God had Saul killed.
God failed and drowned Human Beings. God failed and killed Saul.
1 Samuel 16 God chose David to be King.
David became a mass murderer, and adulterer.
1 Kings 15:5 For David had done what was right in the eyes of the Lord and had not failed to keep any or the Lord’s commands all the days of his life – except in the case of Uriah.
King David had ordered his loyal soldier, Uriah to be killed in battle so that David could have Bathsheba, his wife, whom David had committed adultery with and knocked-up.
David’s disobedience: David broke most of the Biblical God’s commandments and he did many heinous deeds. But God was forgiving and very pleased with David.
1 Samuel 29:3 I found no fault with David since he defected to Me. New KJV
Wow, I found no fault with David sincehe defected to Me! This New King James Version has an interesting new twist.
James: 2:10 Whoever keeps the whole law yet breaks just one is guilty of breaking them all.
Before God chose Solomon. God had murdered his earlier brother after 7 days of life. God murdered the baby so to punish David and Bathsheba’s for their sin.
1 Kings 11:1-4 Solomon married and had sex with many foreign women. Solomon had 700 wives and 300 concubines!
Solomon was a wise man? Wow! Just think of all that alimony, child support and kept mistress fees. And, what about God’s “chosen” King Solomon concerning his having 700 wives and 300 concubines? King Solomon’s also possessed much gold and silver in disobedience to God documented commands in Deuteronomy 7:17?
God was not pleased with Solomon. What a God! What a Bible! What corruption. What continued insanity!
Perspective: Other than the myth of creation, when did the Biblical God do something good for someone without hurting or destroying another?
Well, maybe God allowing Sarah, Hannah, and some other old women, to have a child in their old age was good. But didn’t God make them barren in the first place? What did their children do that was good? How about Solomon’s getting wisdom? Solomon had 700 wives and 300 concubines against God’s orders. Solomon’s wisdom didn’t last, you say.
I Kings 11:4-6 When Solomon was old, his wives turned his heart to strange Gods. His heart was not entirely with the Lord. Solomon ended up worshiping and serving other Gods. Solomon did evil in God’s eyes as did David, his father.
What proved to be Solomon’s wisdom? It looks like God’s gift of wisdom wore off – or Solomon truly got wisdom and left the Biblical God for other, better, more worthy gods. Behold! Solomon, himself, ended up worshipping other Gods!
I Kings 11:9-12 God was angry at Solomon. God won’t deprive Solomon but will take it out on his son (Rehoboam).
Does anybody worry about the Biblical God’s mental health?
Rehoboam
Exodus 20:5 The sins of the father will be passed on the 3rd & 4th generations.
Exodus 34:7 Fathers will not suffer death because of their children, nor shall children suffer because of their fathers. Each will be put to death for their own sins.
Remember there was no afterlife. God could only threaten His people with misery and death.
Later, Jesus Christ introduced, after death, Eternal-Torment by creating a new religion – Christianity. Actually, Jesus plagiarized afterlife, Heaven, Hell, salvation and Eternal Torment from Persian Zoroastrianism. This was an attempt to gain more obedience to God. History has proven that didn’t succeed either. Everything God attempted to do to gain obedience from Human Beings has failed.
Ezekiel 18:10-20 The son shall not suffer the sins of the father nor shall the father suffer the sins of the son.
II Samuel 12:1-18. On the 7th day, King David and Bathsheba’s baby son died. God made the child pay for the sins of his parents.
Believer: The Holy Bible has no contradictions. You’ve misinterpreted! It’s out of Context!
Documentation of the Bible’s Chapters and Verses prove that they are absolutely true – unless they are not.
I Kings 11:11 Solomon failed to keep God’s statutes.
What proves to be shocking to the Believer is Solomon failing God and actually ending up serving other gods, Solomon wrote the books of Ecclesiastes, Proverbs and other accepted parts of the Canon / Bible. How can Solomon, who served other gods and who did not please God, be a writer in God’s holy, sacred Bible? Matthew has Solomon being in Jesus Christ’s lineage / bloodline right along with two women who sold sex: Tamar and Rahab-the-Harlot.
I Kings 11:42 Solomon reigned over all Israel 40 years and died.
I Kings 19:18 God would leave only 7 thousand in Israel, The Promised Land.
As compared to other history bearing nations during this time: Syria, Greece, Babylon, India and others; this God was a wimp and a loser. He turned on, betrayed and destroyed His own Israel just as Adolf Hitler turned on and helped his enemies destroy his own Germany. Hitler had said: If the German people could not give me victory, they do not deserve to survive. Hitler was a chip off the old God.
I Kings 20:29 Israel’s King Ahab killed 100,000 Aramean soldiers in 1 day.
I Kings 20:35-36 God caused a prophet to say to his companion: Strike me. The companion refused. God’s prophet said: Since you did not obey the voice of God, when we part a lion will kill you. When they parted a lion killed him.
God used animals to murder Human Beings?
King Ahab
The 7th King of Israel
I Kings 21:1-29 King Ahab said: Naboth, sell me your vineyard. Naboth said: No. Ahab sulked to his wife, Queen Jezebel. She wrote letters directing leaders to have a feast, with Naboth at the head of the people. She wrote: Get two scoundrels to accuse that Naboth cursed God and the King. Then, take him out and stone him. Naboth was stoned and died. Angry God has dogs eat Jezebel in the streets, then, declares that all of Ahab’s bloodline, when they die, will be eaten by dogs and birds.
God decided to bring evil upon Ahab. Ahab humbled himself which impressed God, who changed His mind and decided to bring evil upon Ahab’s son instead. The one God of Abraham is so righteous.
Here is Bible C&V evidence that it is God who brings evil on people.
The immoral Queen Jezebel, who was a killer of God’s prophets, was eaten my dogs as prophesied by Elisha.
Ah, another children’s bedtime story from “The Good Book”.
I Kings 22:19-23 God, after holding counsel with His angels, permits His prophets to lie and deceive others on His behalf. God put a lying spirit in the mouths of all these prophets of yours and decreed evil against you.
This is awesome! God seeks advice from a staff of angels. God uses a staff to make corrupt decisions.
God has His prophets lie and deceive others on His behalf. And again, it is God who decrees evil. Except as a scapegoat, what need is there of a Satan?
Mindset believer: Where’s the evidence that God is evil?
Well, it’s all right here, Bible C&V.
When it comes to absurd, stupid mindset beliefs, it is evident that: “A high percentage of stupid is stubborn.”
I Kings 22:34-40 Ahab, shot by an arrow in battle, bleeds in the bottom of his chariot and dies. Dogs lick his blood as God prophesied.
Religion has always been a major historical force for human enslavement. Religion (primitive politics – power and profit over people) converts human slaves to figuratively and literally wage war on the free-will of other human beings. The Christian religion demands that their Christian converts wage war to break the free-will of non-believers.
Point blank: Those Christian authoritarians, who actively seek believers, seek reliable, mindless slaves for themselves or loyal workers whom they imagine will serve their imperialistic cause on their terms.
Except for the most arrogant Christian authoritarian, denial is automatic.
Military soldiers, who join US military service, give up their free-will and become slaves whose mission is to kill or die for God, President and country.
Soldiers and slaves have no free-will while they are being accountable to and serving their “assumed” authority. With all the gods and human tyrants recorded in history, history proves that all god and human authority is assumed and temporary. Outside of some laws of science, all authority on planet Earth is assumed and temporary.
Converted Christians are to wage a constant “war of will” to convert non-believers by threat of Eternal-Torment.
Unfortunately, nobody has successfully stood up to this dark-age, imperialistic practice and the misery of world-wide religious intolerance still goes on today. To live free and unaccountable to imperialistic authority is anti-religion.
Gary DeVaney: I personally view that “freedom” is unaccountable time to external and internal forces. An addiction requires accountable time. No one is addicted to things like cigarettes, drugs, booze, sex, food or anything else. In conscious time, we all account to our inner feelings. We are emotionally addicted to both our good and destructive feelings. If you feel that you want to smoke, take drugs, get drunk, hurt someone, etc, stop and take responsibility. Identify the damaging feeling and its emotional intensity. Create the agenda and develop the discipline to over-ride it. Each of your feelings are dictionary defined. Once your damaging feelings are isolated and identified, take charge of them. If your damaging feelings remains in charge of you, you will eventually damage yourself and others.
I am personally free as I do not account for my time to any God or religion.
The Christian mentality is a war mentality. Those “Christians”, who do not wage war on non-believers, are also waged war upon by other practicing Christians. Christians wage war on themselves as much as anyone else.
Perspectives: If just one human being truly has free-will on planet Earth, the Biblical God is not in control.
If the Biblical God is unchanging and is the same from the Alpha to Omega, the Biblical God has no free-will.
How does that measure up with: “A high percentage of stupid is stubborn”?
“Power” is: The ability to do what you want to do, when you want to do it, with who you want to do it with. Many tend to confuse power with freedom.
True “freedom” is not as glamorous but is often much more important.
“Freedom” is simply unaccountable time. Only when you truly live by unaccountable time are you truly free. The amount of unaccountable time that you experience is the amount of true freedom that you experience. Unaccountable time is treated as blasphemy by imperialistic, authoritative, god-fearing religions because during that time you are not serving them on their terms.
Freedom IS Unaccountable Time
Authoritative individuals and dominating groups of people try to enslave the rest of us just as we tend to enslave and consume animals for our personal use. Through religion and politics, these individuals somehow feel entitled to compete for power and profit over other people.
The Christian religion wages war to break the wills of non-believing individuals throughout the world. Christianity requires conversion and conformance to the service of the Biblical God and to Jesus Christ.
As a Humanist / Atheist, I put Human Beings over tyrannical Governments, ridiculous unenforceable morals and the insane one Biblical God.
This is to the believer: Would you like to exchange gifts? You pray for me and I’ll think for you. I’m joking. Actually, I would prefer that you don’t pray for me and that you lay off the dogmatic beliefs and start thinking for yourself. When you believe dogma, someone else has done your thinking for you. Tradition is the dead leading the blind.
It appears that your God is man-made and that your God hates all the same people that you hate. We realize that you made up your personal God when your God hates the same people that you hate.
When I listen to your belief – I clearly hear your Ego / God.
Bible Debate
A Debate Focuses on the Topic An Argument focuses on Control
Bible Debate
A Debate focuses on the topic. An argument focuses on control. I do not argue.
In Bible debate, when I take issue with a specific Bible C&V, I identify the Bible C&V. Then I take specific issue with the C&V.
A believer’s “Fabian” tactic: The avoidance of direct confrontation.
The Fabian agenda is promoting socialism.
The Christian agenda is promoting Jesus / God – eternal life / eternal torment.
The Fabian specific tactic that Christian believers use is the avoidance of direct confrontation.
Believers don’t debate. One has to think beyond an opening statement to debate.
Mindset believers persistently preach their message while stubbornly avoiding, ignoring and delaying the specific issue being confronted.
Consequently, I have no interest in your God-preaching dogma and I tend to quickly lose interest in your Ego. I will not obey your God and I will not obey your Ego. Should that upset you, I humbly suggest that you get over yourself. You have no authority over anyone but yourself. What would make you feel that you are entitled to have authority over another human being?
If here and now thinking proves to be a struggle for you, believe what you like. I have no objections to your beliefs as long as you don’t insist that I, or others, obey your beliefs. I do not want to live by your values in my life – with you or your God – being the center of those values. I do not want to obey you or your God. No Eternal-Torment threats / religious blackmail will make me do so.
Your “tradition” (the dead leading the blind) I am not interested in.
No religion has ever set its followers free from its God. To dump their ridiculous, programmed religious beliefs, people had to think it out for themselves. Nobody can do it for you.
If you are going to promote, support and finance the Biblical God, read the Bible and know what this insane character – real or not – is documented to have done.
To learn and to know what the Bible documents, C&V, about its, insane, tyrannical God is the primary reason why most formerly ignorant believers become Atheists.
I do not hate any God as I can not hate what does not exist. I simply wish to set people free from all forms of religious and authoritative oppression, blackmail, manipulation, extortion and / or exploitation.
I do stand up and oppose any authoritative bully who arrogantly threatens someone that they must believe or suffer Eternal Torment.
I personally do not like it when believers sic their ugly, insane and tyrannical God on other people.
Because the words “I believe” means bottom-line, “I don’t know”, the religious believer is ruled by irrational, faith-based, dogmatic beliefs and not by rational logic and reason. For most believers “I believe” proves to mean “I pretend”.
Religious believers put fictitious Gods over human beings. I put human beings first. Believers expect and demand that other people be ruled by their authoritative, dogmatic beliefs and not by logic and reason. Believers want their God to eternally punish others if they don’t obey their authoritative and consequential beliefs.
If you are a believer, do you figuratively burn at the stake those who disagreed with you and don’t obey you? Do you threaten them with Hell-Fire and Eternal-Torment?
Hell-Fire & Eternal-Torment?
Rational questions to the believer:
Does your God love all of His children?
Does your God know all and everything?
Is your God all powerful and always in control?
If your God created me, why did your God create me the way I am?
Did your God give me free-will?
If so, do I dare not accept the gift of free-will from your God?
Did your God know that I would use His gift of free-will?
By my using your God’s gift of free-will, did your God know what I would become and what I would do with my free-will?
Again, does your God know absolutely everything or does your personal God simply operate as and amount to your own self-centered ego?
Did your God know that I would not obey Him? Are you one of this imaginary God’s self-appointed belief enforcers?
Aren’t you trying to break your imaginary God’s imaginary gift to me which is my free-will?
Or, is it your imaginary God who leads me into temptation?
Is that why The Lord’s Prayer to your God reads: “Lead us NOT into temptation”?
“Lead us NOT into temptation”?
Did your God create me to go to Hell?
Did your God always know that I would go to Hell?
Does your God really know everything?
If so, how does your God prove to love me or anyone else who He sends to Hell?
If I error, how can your God’s creation not error?
Why should I be punished for your God’s creative errors?
Is Hell and Eternal-Torment the same for one and for all who your God sends to Hell?
Is Eternal-Punishment equal punishment for all human crimes?
How could Eternal-Punishment fit any human crime? What crime would you say fits the punishment of Eternal-Torment?
If you agree with and support the insane Biblical God’s Eternal-Punishment, what kind of monster are you?
Is your God in control of every grain of sand on the beach?
If not, your God is not in control.
If so, your God is in absolute control of us – ergo, we can not sin.
If your God gave us free-will and your God already knew what we would do with it, then your God is guilty of our sin.
As a believer, do you use your God to enforce what you want and don’t want on others?
“Heresy”. This word comes from the Greek word “hairesis”, which means “free choice”. “Heresy” is a “bad word” to Christians. Free choice is what the Christian religion opposes when it opposes heresy / free-thinking / free-will.
EARLY HERESIES were also known as “Gnosticism”
Abortion: Imagine God’s way. If a man ejaculates 200,000,000 sperm into a woman, and one (1) sperm impregnates her, then, 199,999,999 of those sperm get aborted. How many million Human eggs does a Human female abort before her first period? If a girl does abort – the earlier the better.
Heretics are people who decide for themselves what to think.
Religion, and its believers, want cloned obedience and does not like free-will, free-thinking or freedom of choice.
During the Inquisitions, when the Catholic Church controlled much of Europe, Catholic believers, for hundreds of years, legally burned heretics to death in the name of your God.
Today, the Christian believer, who threatens Eternal-Torment is just as insane as the believers who, in history, participated in burning those to death at the stake who lived by their God-given free-will.
Believers, today, also don’t like free-thinkers who live by free-choice and free-will. It seems to scare them.
Because believers can no longer legally burn us to death for heresy, they threaten us with eternal-torment / burning forever in Hell. If it were still legal, the believers who threaten us with Eternal-Torment would probably gang-up and burn us to death today.
These believers need to be stood up to.
These extortion threats and these voodoo, blackmailing practices should be made illegal.
Authoritative governments pay clergy to indoctrinate and support this sad, dark-age human condition.
The “God-Game” is the “Authority-Obedience-Game”.
Believers insist on that dictatorial game.
Thinkers tend not to play that life-stealing game.
Jesus Christ, in front of witnesses, went into His “transfigured body” to talk to Moses and Elijah.
According to Bible C&V, this is a fact. If Jesus Christ could do that, maybe Jesus was out of His flesh body while supposedly suffering on the cross. Employing common sense may perceive that probability. But, is it possible?
Does each Christian believer insist on and prefer that Jesus felt every painful heartbeat while being tortured and while on the cross and that Jesus suffered for him, or her?
Does each Christian believer like and prefer this insane idea? Christianity has a very sick salvation scenario. Would you believe that most Christians actually praise, preach and promote this bloody scenario? Christians must feel that they are so important to have their “perfect” God arranged for the torture and murder of Himself / His Son / Jesus Christ. Most mind-set Christians would, without conscience, tell you they would not have it any other way. How many of those Christians have sent their own sons and daughters off for their Government’s (often illegal) wars – to go kill and die for them?
Matthew 17:1-9 & Mark 9:2-9 Jesus took His disciples, Peter, James and John to a mountaintop. Jesus transfigured into His “transfigured body” in front of all three (3) of them. Elijah and Moses appeared and talked to Jesus. A cloud appeared and the voice of God said: “This is my beloved Son in whom I am well pleased; hear ye Him.” Jesus ordered them to tell no man until Jesus was risen from the dead.
Who, in the whole Bible, had a “transfigured body”?
Who, in historical reality, has ever had a “transfigured body”?
Is Jesus Christ’s “transfigured body” simply a fictitious ghost story?
What’s the difference between a “transfigured body” and a flesh body?
When and how did Jesus use His “transfigured body”?
Were (long dead) Moses and Elijah both also in “transfigured bodies” when talking with Jesus?
Did Jesus have the ability to transform into His “transfigured body” at any time?
Could Jesus have transformed into His “transfigured body” while on the cross?
Jesus met with Elijah and Moses
Do you believe that a “transfigured body” can feel pain?
If we are in our “transfigured bodies” when we are in Hell, will we feel pain?
Did Jesus go into His “transfigured body” during His crucifixion? If so, was it cruci-fiction?
Did Jesus resurrect from the tomb in His flesh body or in His “transfigured body”?
If it was only Jesus’ “transfigured body”, is that a true Human resurrection?
Can anyone you know logically and reasonable explain the resurrection of the body of Jesus Christ?
Are Bible faith and spiritual stories, in reality, just fantasy and fiction?
Peter, James & John SAW Jesus’ Transfigured Body
Why didn’t Jesus allow Mary to touch Him after the resurrection?
Was it because Jesus was in His “transfigured body”?
How did Jesus enter and exit the closed off room of His disciples when Thomas examined His wounds?
Did Thomas examine Jesus’ flesh body or His “transfigured body”?
Was Jesus ever Bible documented to have passed through walls during His lifetime?
If Jesus came through the walls, was He in His “transfigured body”?
Thomas examined Jesus’ wounds
Did Thomas examine Jesus’ flesh body or His “transfigured body”?
How does a “transfigured body” survive?
Did Jesus eat fish after His resurrection?
Was Jesus Christ always and only in a “transfigured body”?
Outside of myth and the imagination of “Casper, the friendly ghost”, can anyone truthfully produce, in reality, any evidence of a “transfigured body”?
If all these conflicting versions of “The Resurrection” were given during under-oath testimony in court, how many of these written testimonies would be guilty of “perjury”? How much of this “perjury” was God inspired? If perjury was proved, how would the practice of swearing-in on the Bible be affected?
Before you claim “blasphemy” please have the courage to check out these selected Bible C&Vs.
Did Jesus Christ Lie?
The Book of Matthew
Matthew
Matthew 5:17 Jesus said: Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them.
Jesus’ teaching conflicted with the teachings of Paul, who preached that believers were no longer under the law. Which one lied?
Matthew 5:18-20 Jesus said: I tell you the truth, until heaven and earth pass away, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke of a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished. Anyone who breaks one of the least of these commandments and teaches others to do the same will be called least in the kingdom of heaven, but whoever practices and teaches these commands will be called great in the kingdom of heaven. For I tell you that unless your righteousness surpasses that of the Pharisees and the teachers of the law, you will certainly not enter the kingdom of heaven.
Jesus said He told the truth in Matthew 5:18 that Heaven will “pass away”. So, Heaven and Hell are not eternal? Hell only is eternal? Did Jesus lie?
Matthew 5:22 Jesus said: But anyone who says, “you fool!” will be in danger of the fire of Hell.
Luke 11:40 Jesus said: You fools!
In which Bible C&V did Jesus lie? Or did Jesus indicate: He is going to Hell?
Matthew 23:17 Jesus said: You blind fools!
Luke 12:19 Jesus said in a parable: But God said unto him, you fool, this night you shall die.
Luke 24:25 Jesus said: How foolish you are.
Galatians 3:1 Paul said: You foolish Galatians!
James 2:20 You foolish man…
Psalms 14:1 & 53:1 You have to think me a fool because I have said in my heart that there is no God.
Mark Twain: Religion was invented when the first con man met the first fool.
Matthew 5:29 Jesus said: If your right eye causes you to sin, tear it out, throw it away.
Did Jesus lie? Well, you don’t believe it enough to do it – do you? (Do not do it!)
Matthew 5:30 If your right hand offends you, cut it off…
Is Jesus out of his mind?
Matthew 5:39 Jesus said: Resist not evil…
Jesus said: Resist not evil… Would you trust a baby-sitter, who would not resist evil? Wouldn’t you personally prefer someone close to you and your family would resist evil as much as he or she could? Is not resisting evil right and good for Human Beings? If Jesus did not lie, then, did Jesus prove to be evil? If Jesus would not resist evil, would you have Jesus baby-sit your baby? Or did Jesus Christ lie?
Matthew 5:39 Jesus said: If someone smites you, turn the other cheek. KJV
How many have concluded that Jesus lied here?
Matthew 5:44 Jesus said: But I tell you, love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you.
Matthew 6:25 Jesus said: Don’t worry about your life…
If mothers and fathers do not say that all the time to their children, do they think Jesus Christ lied?
Matthew 7:7-8 Jesus said: Ask and it will be given to you; seek and you will find; knock and the door will be opened to you.
Matthew 9:18-25 While Jesus spoke, there came a certain ruler who worshipped him, saying, my daughter is dead, but come and lay thy hand upon her, and she shall live. Jesus said the maid is not dead but sleeping. They laughed at him. Jesus went in, took her by the hand, and the maid arose.
C. Dennis McKinsey: If the ruler’s daughter was dead, then, Jesus Christ lied because Jesus said that she was not dead but sleeping. If she was not dead, then Jesus performed no miracle.
Matthew 10:5-6 Jesus said: Go not into the way of the pagan (Catholic) gentiles (KJV), but go to the lost sheep of the house of Israel.
Are You of The Lost Sheep of Israel? If You Are Jewish Do You Believe in Jesus Christ?
What? Is Jesus saying that He only wanted to save the Jews and not to bother with pagans and gentiles? Aren’t pagans and gentiles also Human Beings and “God’s children”? Did Jesus Christ lie? Courage, now! Did He?
Hummm. If Jesus, a Jew, was only for the Jews, did Jesus Christ prove to be a discriminating racist?
Matthew 10:28 Jesus said: Fear not them which kill the body but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear him which is able to destroy both soul and body in Hell.
Jesus wants us to fear God.
Matthew 22:37Jesus said: You shall love the Lord with all your heart, soul and mind.
Jesus wants us to love God.
1 John 4:18 There is no fear in love.
Wow! Talk about mixed signals!
Matthew 10:33 Jesus said: Whosoever shall deny Me before men, I will deny before God.
Jesus proves to be sensitive, aggressive, vengeful and vindictive!
When Jesus said: “turn the other cheek”, it turned out to be a – do as I say, not as I do – lie.
Matthew 10:34-36 Jesus said: I did not come to send peace but the sword, man against father, daughter against mother…and one’s enemies will be those of his household.
Did Jesus lie when He said that He did not come to send peace but the sword / conflict / war into your family’s lives? Was it Jesus’ agenda for your family members to be your enemies? Is this an evil agenda? Did Jesus Christ lie or does Jesus prove to be evil? Are Christian families who are not against each other bad Christians in Jesus’ eyes? My sensitivities can not support Jesus if this is His “attitude” (outer signs of inner feelings). Would Jesus do this to your family, or did Jesus Christ lie?
Matthew 10:37 Jesus said: Whoever loves his father, mother, son or daughter more than Me is not worthy of Me.
Do you love your Father, Mother, Son & Daughter more than Jesus? Be honest now.
Haven’t arrogant, egocentric, possessive and jealous prisoners on death-row murdered in the name of what they perceived to be love? Where could these attitudes have originated? If Jesus did not lie, I think Jesus’ attitude is wrong for Humanity.
Luke 14:26 Jesus said: Whoever comes to me and does not hate father and mother, wife and children, brothers and sisters, yes, and even their own life, cannot be my disciple.
Did Jesus lie – or was Jesus insane?
Matthew 11:12-14 Jesus said: John the Baptist is Elijah (Catholic) / Elias (KJV).
John 1:21 John the Baptist said he was not Elijah (Catholic) / Elias. (KJV)
John the Baptist said one thing, Jesus said the opposite. One of them lied. So, who lied – Jesus or John?
Matthew 11:19 & Luke 7:34 The Son of man (Jesus Christ) came eating and drinking and you say, “Here is a glutton and a drunkard”…
Theis Bible C&V documents that Jesus Christ was a glutton and a drunkard. Did the Bible lie?
Matthew 11:28 Jesus said: For I am meek and humble of heart; my yoke is easy and my burden light.
Jesus considers His “yoke” to be easy but if you fail to fulfill Jesus’ yoke of burden, you will sizzle in Hell for eternity. Isn’t it interesting that Jesus would consider that to be a light burden. Or did Jesus Christ lie?
Matthew 12:30 Jesus said: “Whoever is not with me is against me…”
Jesus has caused constant division and war with these words. Christians and Muslims constantly practice Jesus’ words. President George W. Bush also broadcast these words. Did Jesus mean these words and did Jesus want constant war because of them – or did Jesus lie?
Matthew 12:31 Jesus said: Every sin and blasphemy will be forgiven. Even speaking against “The Son of Man” (Jesus Christ) will be forgiven, but whoever speaks against The Holy Spirit will not be forgiven. KJV
Doesn’t Jesus state here that forgiveness is conditional, or did Jesus Christ lie?
Matthew 12:40 Jesus Christ prophesied: For as Jonas was 3 days and 3 nights in the whale’s belly so shall the Son of Man be 3 days and 3 nights in the heart of the Earth.
Jesus was in the Heart of the Earth three (3) days and three (3) nights? Really?
How can Jesus Christ’s burial on “Good Friday” afternoon and Jesus’ resurrection from the dead before daybreak on “Easter Sunday” morning qualify to be three (3) days and three (3) nights – as prophesied in Matthew 12:40 by Jesus Christ, Himself?
Did “perfect” Jesus, who was also the Almighty Biblical God, lie? If Jesus did not lie but was misquoted, did Jesus Christ truly exist as Christians believe Him to be?
The Bible is not a good book. The Bible is not a good model for Humanity. It is time for it to go.
Matthew 12:46-49 Someone told Jesus: Your mother and brothers are outside asking to speak to you. Jesus replied: Who is my mother? Who are my brothers?
Dare this be a Biblical lie about the character of Jesus Christ? Jesus doesn’t acknowledge His family? Jesus rejects His mother and His brothers? What a sad example of Jesus Christ’s “family values”.
Matthew 13:12 Jesus said: Whoever has, will be given more, and he will have an abundance. Whoever does not have, even what he has, will be taken from him.
Behold! That sounds like Christianity runs the US economy. Do you think that Jesus lied?
Ecclesiastes 10:19 Money answers all things…
Didn’t know that “money answers all things” is in the perfect, holy, sacred Bible, did you?
Matthew 13:41-42 Jesus said: The Son of man shall send forth his angels, and they shall gather out of his kingdom all things that offend, and them which do iniquity; And shall cast them into a furnace of fire: there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth.
Jesus said that if He is offended by you, you shall be cast into a furnace of fire – or did Jesus lie?
Matthew 13:49-50 Jesus said: The Angels will separate the wicked from the righteous and throw them into a fiery furnace where there will be wailing and grinding of teeth.
Mathhew also claims that Angels toss us into Hell, or do you think that Jesus did lie?
Matthew 15:4 Jesus said: Honor thy father and mother.
Does Jesus tell you: Do as I say – not as I do? Doesn’t Jesus prove to be a hypocrite?
Matthew 15:19 Jesus said: For out of the heart proceed evil thoughts, murders, adulteries, fornications, thefts, false witness, blasphemies.
Was Jesus ignorant about the blood-pumping Human heart or did Jesus lie?
Matthew 15:22-28 A Canaanite (Gentile) woman asked Jesus to heal her daughter. Jesus ignored her. His disciples asked Jesus to send her away. Jesus replied that He was sent only to the lost sheep of Israel (The Jews). Jesus then said: It is not right to take the food of the children and throw it to the dogs. She appealed to Jesus: Please Lord, even the dogs eat the scraps that fall from their master’s table. Jesus healed her daughter.
What? Did Jesus, in Matthew refer to this poor Gentile woman and her sick Gentile daughter as “dogs”? Did Jesus reject the woman because she and her daughter were not Jews? Then, after the woman did beg and grovel like a dog. Jesus did heal her daughter.
Does this documented model of Jesus Christ require non-Jews to beg Jesus, like groveling, begging dogs to save them?
What defines the characteristics of a name-calling racist? Weren’t Jesus’ initial comments to the woman those of a stubborn, negative, name-calling racist? How would you say Jesus responded to the woman before she outright begged Him?
Do you know of any self-admitted Christians who are stubborn, name-calling racists? Does this Jesus model inspire white, Christian racism?
Did Jesus Christ lie when He claimed to come only for the Jews?
Concerning: The Apostle Paul:
in Galatians 2:1-10 & Acts 15: The Apostle Paul went against Jesus’ teaching when he opened Christianity up to Gentiles? The Catholic Chruch prefers, follows and preaches Paul’s teachings much more than Jesus Christ’s teachings. For Catholics, “Christianity” should be called “Paulianity”.
Is Jesus Coming into His Kingdom?
Matthew 16:28 Jesus said: There are some standing here who will not taste death until they see The Son of Man (Jesus) coming in His Own kingdom.
Did Jesus Christ lie to those standing there – about their not dying – before He came into His Kingdom? What has history proven? If Jesus did not lie, then Jesus Christ was wrong. If Jesus was wrong, then Jesus Christ was a false prophet. If Jesus Christ was wrong, then Jesus certainly was not God. Which do you prefer? Do you dare choose? As of 2023 AD, Jesus Christ has not yet come into His Kingdom on planet Earth. Do you agree? Can you prove that some of those people who Jesus said “they shall not taste death until they see the Kingdom of God” are still alive? If not, did Jesus lie?
Isaiah 43:11 I am the Lord, and apart from Me there is no savior.
Well, that settles that! It claims that God is the only savior – not Jesus.
Isaiah 45:22 God said: Look to Me, and be saved, for I am God, and there is none else.
Did Jesus lie concerning being the savior?
John 10:30 Jesus said: I and My Father (God) are one.
If obsessively believed, could this nonsense drive a young, dedicated law student or scientist crazy?
Numbers 23:19 God is not a man that God should sin, nor the son of man that God should repent.
Genesis 6:6 God repented that He had made man.
Because God repented in Genesis 6:6, it contradicts Numbers 23:19 where it infers that God does not repent.
Which contradictory Bible C&V proves to lie? If Numbers 23:19 is “God’s Word” then Jesus Christ, a man, lied in John 10:30.
Support for either C&V disclaims the other. No believer – as much as they want it – can have it both ways. And “faith” is not an answer.
Isaiah 45:7 God said: I, the Lord, make peace and (I) create evil.
God creates evil! Should God / Jesus Christ be arrested, put in “Gitmo”, water-boarded / tortured and held for saying that He created “Evil”? (Presuming that Jesus is God.) Or – Did God / Jesus outright lie when He said it? If God / Jesus did say it – did God / Jesus prove to be evil? What kind of good, wholesome model is God / Jesus Christ to have said this? Or – did the Holy Bible lie by claiming and documenting that God / Jesus did say: “I create evil”?
“Gitmo Prison”
Can you answer these questions? Have you explained your answers? If so – after hearing your own explanation – did you lie?
Matthew 18:8 Jesus said: Wherefore if thy hand or thy foot offend thee, cut them off, and cast them from thee: it is better for thee to enter into life maimed, rather than having two hands or two feet to be cast into everlasting fire.
Do you believe you should cut your sinful hands and feet off to prevent entering Hell?
Matthew 19:12 Jesus said: Some are incapable of marriage because they were born so.
Why? Is it because they are gay? Jesus never married nor had children by Bible C&V documentation. There was in John 21:20 “the disciple whom Jesus loved”. Hummm…
Matthew 19:17 Jesus said: Why do you call me good? There is none good but God.
Dennis McKinsey: This comment not only proves Jesus is not God or God’s equivalent, proven by his words no less, but proves he is not perfect, again by his own words. Therefore, Jesus is not God because God by definition is perfect.
Matthew 21:22 Jesus said: Whatever you ask for in prayer with faith, you will receive.
Has Jesus ever lied to you about his one?
Matthew 23:9 Jesus said: Call no one on Earth your father…
Did Jesus Christ lie when He commanded for you – a converted, believing, Catholic Christian – to call no one on Earth “father”? If you do call your Catholic Priest “father”, aren’t you insisting that Jesus lied? Do Catholic Priests who are called “Father” operate church business as if Jesus Christ lied?
Matthew 25:41 Jesus said to them on His left: Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the Devil and his Angels.
Did Jesus send these Human Beings into “Everlasting Fire” or did Jesus Christ lie?
Matthew 28:18 Jesus said: All power is given to Me in Heaven and in Earth.
The secret of religion: Religion teaches, trains, programs and brainwashes Human Beings to worship, praise, follow, obey, promote, support and finance a “False Authority” (God) so that an “Assumed Authority” can more easily step in and receive all the loyal obedience of religion. Governments of all the countries on Earth promote religion. Though religion, gullible, mind-set, programmed, conditioned, brain-washed individuals will more easily transfer their allegiance to a conman who “Assumed Authority”.
For years, starting in 2015, Evangelicals in the United States of America gave President Donald J. Trump more money and power just before, during and after his presidency than they gave to churches for Jesus Christ. And what was “Christlike” about Donald J. Trump? Trump was fact-checked to have publicly spoken 30,529 lies during his 1 term as President. The most gullible Evangelicals believed, obeyed, worshiped, promoted, supported, and financed the narcissistic, egocentric conman Donald J. Trump anyway.
Ah, the errancy of blind faith and worshipful belief.
1 John 5:19 The whole World is under control of the evil one.
I’ve had my suspicions.
Romans 8:7 The mind that is set on the flesh is hostile to God. It does not submit to God’s law. It cannot.
James 4:4 You adulterous people, don’t you know that friendship with the world means enmity against God? Therefore, anyone who chooses to be a friend of the world becomes an enemy of God.
2 Timothy 3:4 Traitors, lovers of pleasures more than lovers of God…
These last 3 Bible C&Vs would make any normal, sexually healthy Human Being have to choose against God.
Revelation 2:26-27 Jesus said: To him who overcomes and does my will to the end, I will give authority over the nations. He will rule them with a rod of iron. He will dash them to pieces like pottery, just as I have received authority from my Father.
Jesus will put a tyrant “who does His will to the end” over nations and he will dash other nations to pieces like pottery?
Do you think that is something a tyrant would do?
Does Revelation describe that Jesus is dashing other nations (of people) to pieces AT the end time or AFTER the end time in Jesus’ Heaven? Will Jesus, as a master tyrant, do this evil on other nations – or – did Jesus lie?
What bothers me the most is: Why do Christians currently support, promote, worship and finance such a character as Jesus Christ, who would “dash other nations to pieces like pottery”?
Do you ever hear from believers: But, Jesus loves you!
Revelation 3:19 Jesus said: Those whom I love I rebuke and discipline. So be earnest and repent.
Then, if Jesus is not completely satisfied with your repentance, groveling and reception to his correction, Jesus will send you into Hell’s Eternal-Torment. What a God!
Jesus said that he speaks in parables so that only an elect inner circle will understand him (Mark 4:10-12, Matthew 13:10-13, Luke 8:9-10). Matthew 7:6 – including the famous injunction not to cast pearls before swine.
If I accurately selected Bible C&Vs where Jesus is documented to have lied, would you go “ad hominine” and ignore Jesus’ lying and instead claim that I lied concerning all these selected Bible C&Vs? If so, why?
Concerning the life of Jesus, extraordinary claims require extraordinary proof. There is no scientific evidence that the miracles ascribed to Jesus happened, or that any similar miracles ever happened in all of history. Such miracle stories are extraordinary claims without extraordinary proof. To believe in these supernatural miracles is to not be motivated by reality.
The voting members of The Counsel of Nicaea voted on the books of the Canon and for Jesus Christ to be Divine.
Knowing the Bible IS the Greatest Atheist Maker
Did Jesus Christ Lie?
The Book of Mark
Mark 3:21 Jesus Christ’s family thought Jesus was out of his mind.
After many years living with Jesus, His family thought Jesus was crazy. Maybe if Jesus lied numerous times by documented Bible C&V evidence, Jesus’ family was correct.
Mark 4:11-12 Jesus said to His Disciples: It is given for you to know the mystery of the kingdom of God; but to outsiders, all these things are done in parables: So that they may see, and not perceive; and that they may hear, and not understand; so they may not turn again and be forgiven.
I’m sorry. I just don’t understand this one.
Mark 5:21–43, Matthew 9:18–26, Luke 8:40–56 Jesus is informed that Jairus’ daughter is dead. Jesus said she was just sleeping. Jesus commanded her to get up. She got up.
If Jesus lied that Jairus’ daughter was just sleeping – no miracle was performed. You have to either admit to the lie or to the miracle – not both.
Mark 5:27-30 A woman touched Jesus’ cloak. Jesus was aware at once that power had gone out of Him.
What? Doesn’t this C&V mean that Jesus had conditional, limited, depleting and uncontrollable power? Doesn’t this mean that a Human Being can control and deplete Jesus’ power? If this Bible C&V is factual, what else can it possibly mean concerning the limitation of Jesus Christ and of God Himself?
Mark 9:1 & Luke 9:27 Jesus said: Some of you standing here shall not taste death until they see the Kingdom of God after it has come with power.
Would you testify, swear and give your word in front of the US Supreme Court that some of those men who Jesus said this to are still alive today?
Mark 9:23 Jesus said: All things are possible for one who believes.
If you claim to be a believer, have all things, that you prayed for, turned out as you expected? Belief is the biggest and most effective tool of an evil conman.
Mark 9:43 Jesus said: If your hand offends you, cut it off. It is better for you to enter into life maimed, than having two hands to go into hell, into the fire that never shall be quenched.
Mark 9:45 Jesus said: If your foot offends you, cut it off. It is better for you to enter eternal life as a cripple, than to have two feet and be cast into hell.
What? Did Jesus lie?
Mark 9:47 Jesus said: If your eye offends you, pluck it out. It is better for you to enter into the Kingdom of God with one eye, than having two eyes in Hell.
So, if you lose or pluck out an eye while you are alive, you will enter Heaven with just one eye? Something’s wrong with Jesus. Or did Jesus lie?
What? Mommies, do not promote or teach these controversial C&Vs to your kids!
Mark 10:18 Jesus said: Why do you call Me good? No one is good but God alone.
Did Jesus lie in Mark 10:18 when He again separated Himself from being God? Did Jesus lie about Himself not being good?
Mark 10:25 Jesus said: It is easier for a camel to pass through the eye of a needle than for one who is rich to enter the Kingdom of Heaven.
If you are a wealthy Christian believer, do you live as if you believe Jesus lied? Or would you rather believe that Jesus told the truth and that you choose to forego Heaven – by preferring to face Jesus’ “Eternal Torment” in Hell? Or, if you are wealthy Christian minister, do you not believe what you do preach to others?
Wife Suzanne of Televangelist Benny Hinn Divorced Hinn!
Joke: A multi-millionaire televangelist and his hot, young trophy-wife were flying in one of their private jets on vacation. The preacher turned to his wife and said: “Ah, life is good. If I weren’t rich, would you still love me?” A worshipful tear flowed from her eye. She thought for a moment, looked at him, nervously smiled and said: “Of course, I’d love you…. I’d miss you.”
Arnold Murray
Jimmy Swaggert
The combined wealth of US Christian Clergy could feed all the US homeless for the next 100 years.
Considering your contribution to the Judeo-Christian religion. Your money speaks louder than your words.
Mark 10:26-27 Who can be saved? Jesus said: For human beings, it is impossible.
Did These Human Beings Believe that God would save them from this?
Do practicing Christians, who try to convert you, believe Jesus to be a liar concerning salvation?
Mark 10:29 Jesus said: Everyone that has forsaken houses, brethren, sisters, father, mother, wife, children or lands for my name’s sake, shall receive a hundredfold and shall inherit everlasting life.
What? You will get hundreds of everything listed above? Did Jesus lie? I hope so. That’s a lot of demanded time, expense and maintenance.
Mark 11:23 Jesus said: If you have faith, you can throw mountains into the sea.
Believe and You Can Throw Mountains into the Sea?
Did Jesus lie to the people He spoke this to? Does Jesus promise and promote irrational power to obtain obedient faith. What sane Human Being would want to throw mountains into the sea? The most obsessed, insane and power-crazy would just murder others to get what they want – just like the Old Testament God had His “Chosen People” murder nations so to steal their “Promised Land”. Was Jesus Christ actually the murderous God of the Old Testament?
Mark 11:24 Jesus said: I tell you, all that you ask for in prayer, believe that you will receive it and it shall be yours. Catholic
Have you received all that you asked Jesus for in prayer? If not, come on, did Jesus lie?
When you pray and do ask God for things, aren’t you really complaining that God is not gifting you to your standards and to your expectations? Aren’t you really trying to tell God how to run His business – especially concerning what you think God is giving to you?
Mark 12:31 Jesus said: Love your neighbor as yourself.
1 John 2:15 Jesus said: Love not the world, neither the things that are in the world. If any man love the world, the love of the father is not in him.
Mark 13:12 Jesus said: Brother will hand over brother to death, and the father his child; children will raise up against their parents and put them to death.
Did Jesus lie concerning His documented prophesy / agenda for children to kill their parents? Is Jesus honest? Does Jesus have integrity? Does Jesus say what He means? Does Jesus mean what He says? What the Hell would a fundamentalist Christian preacher say? Would the preacher dare lie?
Gary DeVaney: Do you view that I am lying concerning all these selected Bible C&Vs? If so, submit your challenges and corrections, by email, to: gary@gdevaney.com (Do not get caught preaching.)
Revelation 2:23 The Son of Man (Jesus Christ) said: I will kill her children… KJV
Jesus Would Kill Your Children?
Did Jesus lie when He said that He would also kill the Harlot’s children in Rev 2:23? Would you, a saved Christian, assist Jesus Christ in killing someone’s children? Is Jesus Christ a good model for Humanity?
Our US Government historically orders US children to kill other nation’s children to protect our government’s foreign “interests”.
How many Christian parents have encouraged their sons to kill a million Iraqis and their children just because God told President George W. Bush, in a dream, to attack Iraq?
Can you explain why the USA had killed and injured about 20 million Vietnamese?
Do you believe that your personal reasons for war are good enough to take those few million Human lives? Did the Bible and its God inspire or entitle you to your murderous beliefs?
Mark 13:23 Jesus said: But take ye heed: behold, I have foretold you all things.
After 2,000 years, science has learned that Jesus did not foretell us much at all. Specifically, Jesus did not tell us of things that would be beneficial to Human life. Jesus could have told Mankind about micro-organisms and antibiotics. That would have saved billions of Human lives over the past 2,000 years. But, Jesus did not – did He? Jesus could have told us about electricity, which has been the greatest and most powerful gift for the comfort of Mankind. But all-knowing Jesus chose not to. Can you think of anything else that Jesus could have told us that would have made Mankind’s life on Earth be safer and less painful. Jesus taught that you are not worthy of Him if you dare to love anything more than you love Jesus. Jesus also brought Hell and Eternal Torment into fashion – if you would not have Jesus Christ be King and tyrant over you. Objectively and honestly, did Jesus Christ tell the absolute truth or did Jesus somewhat lie when He said: “I have foretold you all things”?
Mark 13:30 Matthew 24:34 Luke 21:32 Jesus said to those listening: This generation shall not pass away until all these things take place.
My Gawd! Are these lies ever persistent! Those specific, standing, living listeners have now been dead for about 2,000 years. Jesus was miraculously “resurrected” after 3 days. Otherwise, Jesus is not documented to have come back since He said these words to them. And you claim that this is not a lie because…
Mark 13: 31-32 Jesus said: Heaven and Earth shall pass away but my words shall not pass away. But of that day, that hour no man knows, not the angels which are in heaven, neither the Son, only the Father.
This again proves that Jesus and “The Father” are NOT one. Does Jesus claim that He is God here? This could drive a young, dedicated science student crazy. Was Jesus Christ really and truly God? Can you explain – after all of documented Jesus’ praying to God – how Jesus could possibly be God?
Most People of science accept that Earth will eventually cease to exist, but Jesus also claimed in Mark 13:31-32 that Heaven will also pass away. If Heaven ceases to exist, so much for the myth of Eternal Life or Eternal Torment. Is all of religious dogma just a pack of lies?
Mark 13:32 Jesus claims that no one but God knows when the end will come and that not even Jesus Christ or the Angels will know.
If this is a fact, then Jesus Christ – and / or any believer – who claims that Jesus is God – is lying!
Colossians 1:15 He (Jesus Christ) is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of all creation.
My Gawd! Jesus Christ was created? If true, again, how can Jesus Christ be God?
Mark 16:15 Jesus said: Preach the gospel to every creature…
Can I hear A-Men?
What? Jesus said for you to preach the gospel to fleas, maggots, cats, and Great White Sharks, too? Are they not “creatures”? Does Jesus’ order qualify to be a lie? Do you preach the gospel to your pet? If so, see a shrink.
When confused, one’s mind can seem to be swimming in circles.
Mark 16:16 Jesus said: He who does not believe shall be damned.
Does Jesus Christ and the Biblical God support, promote and approve of torture?
If you, or anybody else, who does not believe / obey Jesus Christ and the Biblical God to God’s satisfaction – won’t God send you all into Hell’s Eternal-Torment?
Fact: Our own US Government wages war and proves to torture those who do not believe / obey US.
If they believed and obeyed – the US Government would have no reason to kill and torture them – would it?
The torture and killing would stop – wouldn’t it?
If not – explain.
Mark 16:18 Jesus said: They shall take up serpents; and if they drink any deadly thing, it shall not hurt them; they shall lay hands on the sick, and they shall recover. Catholic / KJV
Jesus said that they will handle serpents, drink poison and not die?
But what if the serpent is a non-believer? Moms and dads do not teach this to your children.
Did Jesus Christ lie in either or both of these C&Vs concerning poisonous serpents? Come on! Would a sane person put a poisonous snake in his or her child’s lap just to prove that Jesus did not lie?
(Again, please! Do not ever do that to prove your insane faith and belief!)
Please submit your on-topic questions and comments to: gary@gdevaney.com
Did Jesus Christ Lie?
The Book of Luke
Luke
Luke 1:33 He (Jesus) will rule over the house of Jacob (the Jews) forever.
C. Dennis McKinsey: When did Jesus Christ ever rule over the house of Jacob, the Jews?
Did the Bible or Jesus Christ lie?
Luke 2:52 And Jesus increased in wisdom, stature and IN FAVOR with God . . .
Whoa! How is Jesus, who is also God, increased IN FAVOR with God? How many questions / issues does Luke 2:52 bring into reality. Based on this, does the claim that Jesus is God again prove to be a lie?
Luke 10:19-20 Jesus said: I have given you the power to tread on serpents and scorpions and upon the full force of the enemy and nothing will hurt you.
Do not test Jesus’ integrity on this one. Unless you are ready to die.
You will see this again in Mark 16:17-18.
Luke 12:7 Jesus said: Even the hairs on you head have been counted by God.
Yet didn’t this same God order a census by Moses and by David to get a count of soldiers? Did Jesus lie?
Luke 12:33 Jesus said: Sell what you have and give alms… KJV
Jesus Demanded You Give Up All Your Possessions.
Did Jesus lie? Have you obeyed Jesus Christ and sold / given up all your own possessions? After selling what you owned, did you then give all your money away? Do you prove to be a good Christian in Jesus’ eyes? Wealthy televangelists would say that you were a great Christian – as long as you gave to THEM all that you have.
Wealthy women like “demon-possessed” and “accused prostitute” Mary Magdalene financially supported Jesus. Dogma suggests that Jesus Christ’s Grand-Uncle, Joseph-of-Arimathea, was a wealthy tin merchant. Neither Joseph-of-Arimathea nor Mary Magdalene is documented to have given up their wealth.
According to “The Trinity” Baby Jesus Christ WAS His own “Holy Spirit” father. If Jesus was God and The Holy Spirit, then Jesus knocked-up His own mother to produce Himself.
Pat Robertson brought in about $460 million in 2010. Obviously, these ruthless conmen / clergy prefer to live by the little mentioned: Ecclesiastes 10:19: Money answers all things.
Matthew 5:22 Jesus said: But anyone who says, “you fool!” will be in danger of the fire of Hell.
Luke 11:40 Jesus said: You fools!
In which Bible C&V did Jesus lie? Or did Jesus indicate: He is going to Hell?
Matthew 23:17 Jesus said: You blind fools!
Luke 12:14 Jesus said: Friend, who appointed me as your judge?
Does this prove that Jesus is not our judge? Or did Jesus lie?
Luke 12:19 Jesus said in a parable: But God said unto him, you fool, this night you shall die.
Luke 24:25 Jesus said: How foolish you are.
Galatians 3:1 Paul said: You foolish Galatians!
James 2:20 You foolish man…
Psalms 14:1 & 53:1 You have to think me a fool because I have said in my heart that there is no God.
Mark Twain: Religion was invented when the first con man met the first fool.
Matthew 23:17 Jesus said: You blind fools!
Psalms 14:1 & 53:1 You have to think me a fool because I have said in my heart that there is no God.
Luke 12:33 Jesus said: Sell what you have and give alms… KJV
Did Jesus want you to sell what you have, or did Jesus lie?
Luke 12:49-54 Jesus said: I have come to set the Earth on fire, and how I wish it were already blazing. How great is My anguish until it is accomplished! Do you think that I have come to establish peace on the Earth? No, rather division; father against son, mother against daughter + + +. Catholic
Jesus said that He came to set the Earth on fire? Satan could not have said this better. Also, is one who wishes really in control? Jesus does not get my vote.
Luke 12:51 Jesus said: Do you think I have come to establish peace on the Earth? No, I tell you, but rather division.
Was Jesus Christ the love-model for the Crusades, the Inquisition, Hitler, George W. Bush and some of the other tyrants throughout history who waged wars on innocent countries? If Satan said these things, we could validate any anger towards him.
Luke 14:26 Jesus said: If anyone comes to Me without hating his father, mother, wife and children, brothers and sisters and even his own life, he cannot be My disciple.
Did Jesus lie about your having to hate your mother, your father, your brothers, your sisters, your wife, your children and your own life before Jesus would accept you? Would an evil individual require all that hatred? What kind of monster would expect or order that? Do Christian believers worship monsters? Overall, why worship anyone or anything?
In Luke 14:26 Jesus said: You have to hate your brother to be Jesus’ disciple?
In 1 John 3:15-15 Who hates his brother is a murderer – who has no eternal life? What the . . . .!
Jesus included that you must hate your children – didn’t He?
Luke 14:33 Jesus said: Everyone who does not renounce all of their possessions (Catholic) forsake all that they have (KJV) cannot be my disciple.
Ecclesiastes 10:19 Money answers all things.
Does Jesus want you broke and poor, or did Jesus lie?
Mark 2:15 While Jesus was at meal in His house… KJV
What? Jesus has possessions? Jesus has a house? What a liar and hypocrite!
Luke 16:15 Jesus said: What is of human-esteem among men is an abomination is the sight of God.
What would mental-health experts say about Jesus’ views of Human self-esteem?
Luke 19:27 Jesus said: And as for those, Mine enemies, who would not have Me be King over them, bring them before Me and slay them.
In what “context” can Jesus words in Luke 19:27 be proper?
If the no-name, kingdom-expanding King that Jesus referred to in His Bible parable is Himself, did Jesus lie about “bring them before Me and slay them“? Who else, in the New Testament, was named to be “Expanding His Kingdom”?
Revelation 2:23 Jesus Christ (The Son of Man) said: I will kill her children… KJV
Did Jesus lie when He said that He would kill the Harlot’s children in Rev 2:23? Would you, a saved Christian, assist Jesus in killing someone’s children? Btw, Jesus would have to go through me to kill your or anyone’ else’s child.
So, do Jesus’ statement depict civilized / legal or Humanitarian values?
Personally, Luke 19:27 and Revelation 2:23 are the 2 Bible C&Vs that most turned me off to Jesus Christ. I choose to not be around such a character. How can mind-set believers’ worship, support, promote and finance such a character?
Did Jesus lie about your having to hate your mother, your father, your brothers, your sisters, your wife, your children and your own life before Jesus would accept you? Would a tyrannical, jealous, black mailing, evil person require that?
If the average American Christian watched, saw and heard an Islamic leader, King or President say on TV: “I have come to set the Earth on fire, and how I WISH it were already blazing. How great is my anguish until it is accomplished! Would he or she claim that these were the words of an evil terrorist? Is this an “evil”, terrorist statement? Yes? No? If yes, did Jesus Christ prove to be an evil / insane terrorist by making this evil / murderous statement? Do you insist that it depends on who said it? What was in Jesus’ “heart” when He said it?
Would you zealously support evil if you knew it came from God, or from the President of the United States of America?
Does Jesus want, demand and expect His believers and followers to fulfill His WISHES? Will Jesus punish those who will not fulfill His WISHES? Do you pick and choose which of Jesus’ WISHES you will fulfill and those you won’t? How much of a real God is a God who has to WISH?
Should Jesus Christ be arrested, put in “Gitmo”, water-boarded / tortured and held without charges for saying it? Or, did Jesus outright lie when He said it? What kind of model was Jesus Christ to have said this? Or, did the Holy Bible lie by claiming and documenting that Jesus said it? Responses?
1 John 3:14-15 We know that we have passed from death unto life, because we love the brethren. He that does not love his brother abides in death. Whosoever hates his brother is a murderer: and ye know that no murderer hath eternal life abiding in him.
Luke 21:16-17 Jesus said: You will be handed over by parents, brothers, relatives and friends and they will put some of you to death.
“Happy Mother’s Day” from Jesus.
Sniff! I’m starting to feel a little sad…
Luke 22:36 Jesus said: He that has no sword, let him sell his garment and buy one.
Did Jesus lie – or – are you an obedient Christian who personally owns a sword or an AR-15 which is historically designed for the intent to slice up or mass murder other Human Beings?
Luke 23:43 And Jesus said unto him: Verily I say unto thee, today shalt thou be with me in paradise.
Did Jesus Lie to the Thief on the Cross?
Did Jesus lie to the thief on the cross when Jesus promised that He would be with him today in Paradise / Heaven?
Matthew 12:40 Jesus Christ prophesied: For as Jonas was 3 days and 3 nights in the whale’s belly so shall the Son of Man be 3 days and 3 nights in the heart of the Earth. KJV
Question: How can Jesus Christ’s burial on “Good Friday” afternoon and Jesus’ resurrection from the dead before daybreak on “Easter Sunday” qualify to be three (3) days and three (3) nights – as prophesied in Matthew 12:40 by Jesus Christ, Himself? Or did Jesus lie?
Did Jesus tell the absolute truth to the thief who was crucified with Him by stating: “Today shalt thou be with me in paradise.”? Specifically, how could Jesus spend 3 days and 3 nights in Hell instead of Paradise and make such a statement to the thief? The purest logic would have to consider that Jesus’ “Paradise / Heaven” was “Hell” to make such a statement.
Robert Ingersoll: If a man would follow, today, the teachings of the Old Testament, he would be a criminal. If he would follow strictly the teachings of the New, he would be insane.
Did Jesus Christ Lie?
The Book of John
John 1:19-36: John the Baptist baptized Jesus Christ claiming twice not to know Jesus. Jesus Christ was John the Baptist’s cousin.
If John the Baptist and Jesus Christ are cousins, is lying a family affair?
John 1:21 John the Baptist said he was not Elijah.
Matthew 11:12-14 Jesus said: John the Baptist is Elijah (Catholic) / Elias.) (KJV)
Who lied? John the Baptist or Jesus Christ? Do you acknowledge and confirm that according to these two documented Bible C&Vs, either Jesus Christ or John the Baptist lied?
Do you dare be courageous enough to answer the question – even to yourself?
John 2:1-11 Jesus provided wine and promoted the drinking of wine when He turned water into wine.
How does Alcohol Anonymous deal with these “sacred” Bible C&Vs?
Proverbs 23:21 For drunkards and gluttons become poor, and drowsiness clothes them in rags.
How do these Bible C&Vs affect Jesus Christ’s status and reputation when the Bible documents that Jesus promoted the drinking of wine and was accused of being “a drunkard and a glutton”?
John 2:3-4 When the wine ran short, the mother of Jesus said to Him: They have no wine. Jesus said to His mother: Woman, how does your concern affect Me? Catholic
Jesus Christ said: Woman, how does your concern affect Me – to His Mother?
Catholic BN: A Hebrew expression of hostility – a denial of common interest. This Catholic Bible Note actually criticized Jesus’ comment.
Jesus’ narcissism and arrogance loses me. But it shows that Jesus talks the talk and walks the walk when it comes to not loving His father, mother, brothers and sisters more than He loves Himself.
John 3:13 Jesus said: No one has gone up to Heaven except the One who has come down from Heaven, The Son of Man (Jesus).
But, when Jesus said this, Jesus, Himself, was still alive and had not yet gone up to Heaven. If Jesus, Himself, is the only one to have gone up to Heaven, doesn’t that contradict and eliminate Enoch’s going up to Heaven in Genesis 5:22-24 and Elijah’s going up to Heaven in a whirlwind in II Kings 2:11 and Angels going up and down, to and from Heaven on “Jacob’s Ladder” in Genesis 28:12? So, did Jesus Christ utter another falsehood here? If the Biblical scribes misquoted Jesus – did Jesus Christ really exist as depicted? Or did Jesus just get caught in documenting another lie?
John 4:22 Jesus said: You people worship what you do not understand. We worship what we understand, because salvation is of the Jews. KJV
Jesus Said: Salvation Is of the Jews?
What? Salvation is documented, Bible C&V, to be a discriminatory, racial thing? Didn’t Jesus make a racial statement? Did Jesus prove to be prejudice? Did Jesus prove to discriminate? Did Jesus prove to be a racist? Or did Jesus lie?
If Jesus is “the one God”, why would “the one God” worship?
Does Jesus admit in this “sacred” Bible C&V to being a liar? What “spin” should a devout Christian put on Jesus’ statement documented in John 5:31?
John 5:21-25 God judges no one. God has given all judgment to His Son (Jesus).
John 8:15 Jesus said: I pass judgment on no one.
So, did Jesus lie in John 5:21-22 or in John 8:15?
What? Jesus claims God judges no one? Jesus does all the judging? Then Jesus claims He judges no one. One way or another, Jesus is lying. This proves, again, that Jesus and God are not the same entity.
John 5:31 Jesus said: If I bear witness of Myself, My witness is not true. KJV
What? Holy Jesus! What is Jesus Christ saying here about Himself? Jesus claims to not tell the truth.
John 5:34 Jesus said: I do not accept testimony from a Human Being… Catholic
If you, a Human Being, pray to Jesus and give testimony, then you must claim that Jesus lied about not accepting Human testimony. How does Jesus Christ’s not accepting Human testimony affect prayer? Calling all believers – did you know this? Check out John 5:34 for yourself. Even the KJV says it in its “Old English” way. You do believe every “sacred” word of the “Holy” Bible – don’t you?
John 5:41 Jesus said: I do not accept Human praise… Catholic
Why would you praise Jesus Christ unless you believed that Jesus lied about His not accepting Human praise?
John 5:45 Jesus said: I will not accuse you. The one who will accuse you is Moses…
Jesus said: It Is Moses Who Will Accuse You? What? Moses! Is there an honest, truthful Christian who would say that Jesus outright lied about this one? Would you?
John 6:53-57 Jesus said: Except you eat the flesh of The Son of Man, and drink His blood, you have no life in you. Who eats My flesh and drinks My blood has eternal life and I will raise him up at the last day. My flesh is meat and My blood is drink. He that eats My flesh and drinks My blood, dwells in Me, and I in him. The living God sent Me, and I live by God so he that eats Me shall live by Me. I am that bread / body which came down from heaven: not as your fathers did eat manna and are dead: he that eats of My body and drinks of My blood shall live forever.
In Leviticus 17:12 God forbids the drinking of blood.
Why did Jesus promote, even symbolically, the drinking of His blood – knowing that God forbid the drinking of blood? Did Jesus lie? Did Jesus say what He meant? Did Jesus mean what He said? Did Jesus offer His Human blood and His human body for food and drink by Human cannibal consumption? Is Christianity a whole lot of insane pretend? Is “faith” and “fantasy” the same in religion?
Is this crazy stuff – a promotion for pure cannibalism – or did Jesus Christ lie?
Does Jesus Christ and the Catholic church disobey the Old Testament Biblical God’s order?
John 7:5 Jesus’ brothers did NOT believe Him.
What does this Bible C&V say about Jesus Christ’s integrity and reputation? Who knew Jesus better than His own brothers? Yet, this Bible C&V, John 7:5 documents that Jesus’ brothers did not believe Jesus.
John 7:8-10 Jesus said to His brethren: You go up to this feast. I will not go up yet to this feast for my time is not come. But when His brethren were gone up to the feast, Jesus also went up to the feast in secret.
Didn’t Jesus outright lie to His brethren? If Jesus did intentionally deceive His brethren, then the word “yet” is irreverent to His lying.
John 7:16 Jesus said, My doctrine is not Mine, but His that sent Me.
Jesus does admit here – that He was not God. Also, this documents that Jesus’ doctrine is not the same as God’s doctrine.
John 8:14 Jesus said: Though I bear record of myself, yet my record is true.
So – which time did Jesus lie?
Acts 2:36 Therefore let all the house of Israel know assuredly, that God hath made the same Jesus, whom ye have crucified, both Lord and Christ.
God made Jesus! That settles it. Jesus is not God.
John 8:15 & 12:47 Jesus said: I judge no man. KJV
Who do you prefer to be the liar? God or Jesus? God gave Jesus the judgment. Jesus said: I judge no man. What was John smoking when he wrote these “sacred” Bible C&Vs? What are believers smoking who believe them?
John 8:42 Jesus said: I proceeded forth and came from God; neither came I of Myself, but God sent me.
Doesn’t Jesus’ own words again separate Jesus Christ from being God? Or did Jesus lie? Based on Jesus’ documented C&V words, do you honestly believe that Jesus Christ believed that He truly was the same insane Biblical God who caused all the murdering of Humanity in The Old Testament?
John 8:44 Jesus said to the Jewish Pharisees: You are of your father the devil (Satan) and the lusts of your father you will do. He was a murderer from the beginning (Cain, the son of Satan, according to Pastor Arnold Murray, murdered Abel) and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he spoke a lie, he spoke of his own: for he (Satan) is a liar, and the father of lies.
Jesus verified that Cain was Satan’s son. According to Pastor Arnold Murray, Satan knocked-up Eve in a 3-some with Adam. Did Jesus Christ and Pastor Arnold Murray both tell the truth?
John 8:50 Jesus said: And I seek not My own glory…
If Jesus seeks His Kingdom over us in the afterlife, doesn’t Jesus seek His own glory?
John 9:1-3 As Jesus passed by, He saw a man which was blind from his birth. His disciples asked Him: Master, who did sin, this man or his parents, that he was born blind? Jesus answered: Neither has this man sinned, nor has his parents sinned, but that the works of God should be made manifest in him.
The man was born blind. Jesus said that it’s God’s works / fault. It’s not Satan’s doing. It’ is not because of the man nor his parents sinning. Jesus blamed God for this man’s sad affliction from birth. If that is the Biblical God’s “just and fair” agenda, God is pure evil. Or did Jesus Christ lie?
John 9:39 Jesus said: For judgment I came into this world, that they which see might not see; and that they which see might be made blind.
What did Jesus say? Did Jesus come into this world to deceive Human Beings? Why?
Jesus said: My teaching is not My own but God’s.
Then behold:
John 10:30 Jesus said: I and My father are one.
John 10:29 My Father, which gave them to me, is greater than all; and no man is able to pluck them out of my Father’s hand.
So, this Bible C&V claims that nobody, neither you nor I, can never be responsible or blamed for Christian backsliding.
John 10:30 Jesus said: I and My Father (God) are one.
Here Jesus claimed that He and God are one.
John 11:25-26 Jesus said: I am the resurrection and the life; whoever believes in Me, even if he dies, will live, and everyone who lives and believes in Me will never die. Do you believe this?
What? Jesus asked those listening: “Do you believe this?” If someone said, “yes”, I am confident that Jesus’ follow-up question was: “Really? What part?”
Why can’t Human egos handle the idea of expiration, death and non-existence? Doesn’t almost every Christian and Muslim ego argue for and insist on everlasting life? Isn’t it mostly due to the fear of “Eternal Torment” if you don’t obey what God and Jesus demand of you?
Christianity claims: “God does not change.” In the Old Testament, there was no “spiritual death” or “after-life” mentioned. The Old Testament Jews thought that God did it all. That’s why God’s persistent threat was: Obey Me or I will kill you. Every Christian who has died – remains dead. No Christian – who was legitimately dead – has ever come back to life. Furthermore, every dead Christian, who believed in Jesus, did die. Did Jesus lie?
Most Human egos cannot handle the idea of their own demise. For manipulation / control purposes, Christianity capitalizes on the Human ego’s ability to invent an imaginary “after-life” for itself.
It was after Jesus Christ, that Afterlife, Heaven, Hell and Eternal Torment was introduced by a new religion that became Christianity. What believers refuse to know or realize is that Jesus Christ, a new rabbi, plagiarized Zoroastrianism, a Persian religion to establish Christianity. The Jewish Priests still believed that their One God of Abraham did it all and that is why they had Jesus Christ crucified.
Personally, I prefer non-existence to being forced to live forever. No sleep? Groveling and worshipping the Biblical God and Jesus Christ 24 / 7 forever? Ugggh, I’ll pass.
Scroll, click on and see: Zoroastrianism.
John 12:24 Jesus said: If a seed dies, it will produce many seeds.
C. Dennis McKinsey: If a seed or sperm dies, it does not produce its fruit.
John 12:25 Jesus said: Anyone who loves their life will lose it while anyone who hates their life will have eternal life.
Did Jesus Christ lie?
John 12:26 Jesus said: God will honor the one who serves me.
Jews and Muslims obviously view that Jesus lied.
John 12:47 Jesus said: I came not to judge the World.
What? Jesus Christ claims not to Judge the World. Jesus does not judge you and me?
John 13:18 Jesus said: I don’t speak to all of you. I know whom I have chosen.
Do you think Jesus lied about this?
John 14:6 Jesus said: No one comes to God except through Me.
In 2023 about 31% of the 8 billion Human Beings (which is about 2.48 billion on planet Earth) claim to be Christian. That means that about 69% (which is about 4.52 billion Human Beings) will not get to Heaven. Does Jesus’ statement also mean that non-Christian worship and prayers will not be heard by God. Or did Jesus lie?
Did you ever wonder what John or Jesus was smoking to document such nonsense?
John 14:9 Jesus said: He who has seen Me has seen the father.
John 14:14 Jesus said: If you shall ask any thing in My name, I will do it.
Has any believer ever tested Jesus’ statement and found that Jesus outright lied?
Jesus sounds like a politician on political rallies.
John 14:28 Jesus said: The Father is greater than I.
So, if Jesus and God are not equal, then, Jesus is not God. Jesus often prayed to God which separated Himself from being God – but – then by Jesus also claiming that He and God are one, Jesus lied one way or the other.
John 14:29 Jesus said: The ruler of this world is coming. He has no power over me.
Isn’t Jesus Christ the ruler over the world that is coming or did Jesus lie?
Is this evidence that Jesus is not God or did Jesus Christ lie?
John 15:6-7 Jesus said: If a man does not abide in me, he is thrown into the fire, and burned. If you abide in me, and my words abide in you, ask whatever you wish, and it will be done for you.
So, if you don’t abide in, worship, promote, support and finance Jesus, you will be thrown into the fire and burned. But He loves you.
Promised reward and punishment are the tools of dog-training.
John 15:14 Jesus said: You are my friend if you do whatever I command you.
So, Jesus’ friendship is conditional – or did Jesus Christ lie?
Didn’t President Donald J. Trump say to VP Mike Pence something like: I won’t to be your friend anymore if you don’t overturn the election so I can remain President. Didn’t Trump later support the idea of hanging Mike Pence? Doesn’t this parallel God’s consistent Old Testament general theme: “Obey Me of I will kill you”.
You do realize that the Biblical God’s pre-meditated plan / agenda was to torture and murder His “only begotten Son”, Jesus Christ. How can the Biblical God be a hero in any sane, logical or reasonable Human Being’s value system?
John 15:16 Jesus said: You have not chosen me, but I have chosen you, and ordained you, that whatsoever ye shall ask of God in my name, God may give it you.
How many times did you test this feel-good nonsense and found that Jesus lied and let you down? Besides, if Jesus chose you, how can your choice matter?
John 16:23 Jesus said: Whatever you ask God in My name, you will receive.
Have you ever asked God for something in Jesus’ name? If you did not get it – did Jesus lie? Concerning your answer, did you misplace your faith or your integrity?
John 16:33 Jesus said: I have overcome the world.
Riigghht Jesus. When did you overcome the world?
Hummm. If I recall President Donald Trump claimed victories that were absolute falsehoods.
John 20:17 After His crucifixion, Jesus said to Mary Magdalene: Stop holding on to me for I have not yet ascended to God. I am going to My Father and your Father, to My God and your God.
How does this depict Jesus being the same as or equal to God? It seems that Jesus wasn’t much into a woman holding Him before or after He was dead.
President Donald J. Trump often compared himself to Jesus Christ. Donald Trump, by Washington Post and New York Times fact-check, did publicly lie 30,529 times while being video and sound recorded during his four (4) years as President of the United States of America.
Finis: Did Jesus Christ Lie?
Gary DeVaney’s Declaration
I did not write the Bible – did I?
I am not responsible for what the Bible has documented – am I?
I’m not responsible for how people feel about what the Bible documents – how can I be?
I take specific issues with specific controversial Bible Chapters & Verses (C&Vs).
If I make an error concerning a C&V that I take issue with – I will welcome valid topical correction.
If I am proven to be in error, I will make the valid correction and sincerely thank the one who submitted it.
Many believers do not like my research and the C&V issues I take with God, Jesus Christ and the Bible.
As long as I accurately take issue with what the Bible states, C&V, their anger and hurt feelings should not affect my integrity.
Albert Schweitzer’s book: “The Quest of the Historical Jesus.”
This book was first published in 1906. Albert Schweitzer concluded that: The Jesus of Nazareth who came forward as the Messiah, who preached the ethic of the Kingdom of God, who founded the Kingdom of Heaven upon earth, and died to give His work its final consecration, never had any existence. (p. 398).
Was Jesus Christ worth believing in, worshipping, following, supporting, promoting and financing?
When a mind-set believer pushes a lie – the documented truth becomes very threatening.
Stephen King: The trust of the innocent is the liar’s most useful tool.
When you read these controversial Bible C&Vs, seriously answer them as if they were S.A.T. test questions.
It tests your ability to read the controversial Bible C&V.
It tests your comprehension when you explain your answer.
It tests your integrity and your ability to deal with the controversial answer.
Don’t generalize.
Don’t use unrelated generalizations when focused on a specific Bible C&V.
So Christians, is Jesus Christ God?
Is Jesus Christ the One God of Abraham?
Jews, Christians and Muslims all worship The One God of Abraham.
Can you explain why Jews and Muslims do not Worship Jesus Christ as God?
Gary DeVaney’s Challenge: “Other than the myth of creation, can you provide a Biblical list whereby the Old Testament God did something good for someone without hurting another?”
I’ll start you off with a couple of “God did good without hurting another” examples:
God allowed some old, barren women to have children they wanted. God did good and it hurt nobody.
Really! Who made those old women barren in the first place?
God gave Solomon wisdom. God did good and it did not hurt anyone.
But what did Solomon do with God’s gift of wisdom? Solomon had 700 wives and 300 concubines. Solomon became the richest man on Earth. Both of these facts were condemned by God in The Old Testament.
1 Kings 11:4-9 Solomon ended up following and serving other gods.
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Get out a notepad and see if you can list just a few good things that the Biblical God did, C&V, for people without hurting some one else. Bet you can’t. If that be the case, how do you claim the Biblical God to be a “good” God?
“Emotions are the music of the genes.
Attitude makes up the composition.
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Jesus Commanded: DO Unto Others Whatever You Would Have Them DO Unto You?
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Do Men Today Miss A Rib?
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